The Olympic-class HMHS. Britannic sunk during WWI. The ship mentioned in the video is MV. Britannic, launched in 1929. The number of comments about Britannic got me thinking, would you be interested in a video about why cruise lines recycle ship names so often? That video is here: m.th-cam.com/video/mF_3uhDL4F4/w-d-xo.html
I wish theyd kept olympic, aquitania, britannic and all of those and junked all the new garbage. Those ships where beautiful and had souls and a story to tell. These new ones are just floating garbage hotels. Like any old building
My old great grandfather served on the Olympic and I still have his discharge book with Captain Haddocks signature in it.. one day I will take it across the Atlantic again to New York!
I did some artwork onboard the QE2 in the fall of ‘74 during multiple cruises from NY/Boston to many islands in the Caribbean. What an experience for a 21 year old artist. I’m so glad she wasn’t scrapped but made into a floating hotel and now located in Dubai.
The Queen Mary’s funnels were replaced because when they took them off to remove the boilers, the funnels collapsed under their own weight. When they were inspected, it was found that most of the metal had rusted away and were only being held up by the many layers of paint. As for why the boilers were removed was due to labor laws. If a retired ship still had the boilers, all employees were to get maritime pay. This was the case even if the ship is removed from the water and used as a land based hotel. By removing the boilers, they were able to save a lot of money by paying standard hotel wages.
@@MrJeep75 The area that the boilers were in is still empty. For a short time they were filming a TV show in one of the boilers location, but that is back to being an empty room. I know about the pay because that is what they tell you when you take the ship tour and ask why they didn't just leave the boilers in place.
I think it was also Cunard insisting that the ship must never sail again, to ensure their former flagship will not somehow end up with the competition.
Great Video !! Thank You Chris for all your dedication and hard work! The continued support of ocean liners and maritime history is very important! These ships are cornerstones of human greatness and achievements !!!
Thank you for the great video, I subscribed. I have been the piano tuner for the cruise ships in Vancouver BC for the last, myself 36yrs and my father 57 years. They’re my life and I’m glad I found your channel.
there's also the Mauretania pub in Bristol. Sadly, it's no longer a pub but a nightclub. It was shut when I was there but I looked through several windows and I saw the Mauretania's wall paneling.
Scrapping the Canberra upset a lot of people with very fond memories of the ship. One idea had been to preserve it as a floating hotel in Australia, but in the end it was just scrapped and cut up. I think a lot of Scots would like to have seen the QE2 return permanently to the Clyde, but in the end Dubai got the ship as a hotel and tourist attraction. At least it wasn't scrapped.
For now at least... The yard where the QE2 was built is now a community college site. A seawall was built to level the site and a new post secondary building was built there. I have seen pictures of the QE2 being built and I live in Halifax, Nova Scotia which is the hometown of Samuel Cunard himself! And it was sad to see QE2 go.
Canberra was going to be sent to Adelaide for use as a Floating Hotel off Glenelg beach to cater for massive influx of patrons visiting for the Australian Grand Prix each year. Sadly it never happened and P&O never wanted the ship to be used against them by a competitor and as such she was shystered out of Southampton in the middle of the night to head off to Gadani Beach to be cut up so no one could ever use her again. How narrow minded was that eh ?
My Father, Mother, sister and I were the next to last cruise the SS Norway took, before one of the steamers exploded at the Port of Miami. The best cruise EVER!
Very nice Chris, as well the nod to Peter Knego who has shared his wealth of knowledge with us for years. Especially during the France period. Don't recall a bigger stir than her 'nez' cutting caused. Still, everything has a lifespan and keeping a ship afloat and seaworthy is very expensive. Thanks for your submissions, and for taking up the torch.
Imagination and inspiration as well as monarch, and recently Amsterdam has been sold -can’t wait to cruise again but it will be a much different environment and protocol requirements will hinder the return of some cruisers
Thanks for joining me or a look at Recycling Cruise Ships. My thanks to Peter Knego, Andrew Sassoli-Walker and Rob Henderson for their image / video support on this video.
Brilliant thanks Chris. Why have you now got 2 models of the QE2 in the background? I have a key chain made out of metal from Queen Mary propeller. I also remeber visiting the Britannic inLiverlool why she was still in service. We have sailed on both QM2 and Queen Elizabeth and were due to sail on Queen Victoris this autumn but cancelled due to Covid! Really enjoy alm your videos and read hour books Chris Rose
I had been swapping the models in various videos and some people have asked if I’ve been repainting them, so I thought showing both would answer that question 🤣
Bravo ! Chris' enthusiasm for these old girls tickles ! B-) I particularly enjoyed hearing about q.e.2's old propeller being resold in the gift shop as golf clubs and was struck by the notion of pyramids outnumbering retired ships.
We stayed on the Queen Mary years ago in Long Beach, CA On a tour we were told that boilers had to be removed to make the ship un-operational so not to have boat-union labor employed, to do this the ships stacks had to be removed. When they did this they found pretty much what was holding them together was years of paint, so they had to be replaced. The plan was to put the old ones back on. it was a very interesting tour. We have be back several times for Sunday brunch in the main dining room.
I was on both the carnival inspiration and fascination and the inspiration was the first cruise I ever took many many years ago sad to see it was out of service
I think I remember a video about ship scrapping in Bangladesh. It was tragic how improperly it was done and how dangerous the work was for terrible pay. I don't know how widespread it is but it blew my mind.
Already ticked and subscribed and ticked to get the latest upload :) another great video consistent in standard with those that have gone before. :) thank you
Just last year i was on the sovereign sad to see her go out like this. Crew was very dedicaded to make it a good time for everyone and ship itself for it’s age was beautiful.
Very interesting. Maybe next time a video that shows a time lapse of a ship being scrapped from start to finish? How about asking someone to film the scrapping process of the four ships that are now being scrapped in Turkey? You will probably never get a better opportunity to do so.
I am working in the shipyard and manage the operation in first hand, what I can tell is time-lapse like recordings are forbidden due to agreements with the owner of the cruise ship. Otherwise I would love to do such project.
@@grand_vacation dude, i have recovered some artifacts from vessel. For example Jesus and Sailor portrait from bridge. But I will look something for you. Just tell me what do you want exactly.
Great video! I was under the impression that the original funnels on Queen Mary actually disintegrated when being removed to allow access to remove items from below decks and that’s the reason they were replaced.
One thing that was not mentioned in the video, was that the older ships contained asbestos in the engine room. This makes scrapping a ship a lot more expensive than newer ships that don't contain asbestos.
Halloween 1993, I went on my first cruise on Sovereign of the Seas. At that time, she was serving Royal Caribbean Cruise Line. I'm heartbroken to see her gone...
As a kid, I remember seeing Sovereign of the Seas come into Miami after crossing the Atlantic from France after her construction. Everything that could float or fly was in the harbor to welcome her to her new home. It's sad to see her go.
Queen mary in long beach needs so much love and tlc I’m afraid eventually she will end up in a scrap yard.. last time i visited the ship i saw so much rust it was unreal 😔
We spent a night on the Queen Mary at Christmas time a few years ago and did the Chill experience. Fun to visit for a day, so much more fun spending the night. Very much worth doing at least once.
Thank you. That’s very educational and detail. I sailed on to that are no longer sailing. Sad as it it. I have shared your video with many others. Thank you. Continue making great educational films. 👍🏻🛳🚢🛳🚢🙏🏻🇺🇸
You're right Chris... until 2020 I had NEVER thought about what happens to "retired" cruise ships, until SO MANY ships began disappearing from service & "being sold for scrap"?! 😲 🚢
I believe that the bow of the SS France is now on display near the cruise terminal at Le Havre. I did my first transatlantic crossing on this ship (aged 6) and I was so pleased to go and see the bow when I was on a cruise that called at Le Havre last summer.
Chris Frame You’re welcome. I think they moved it from Paris about 18 months ago. It is worth seeing if you ever find yourself there as they have put up boards showing photos and the history of the ship.
Excellent upload. I thought that you would've missed some of the main issues with ship recycling, but you covered them all (and gave great examples for each). I wished you had mentioned some of the environmental issues involved with the recycling process (particularly with older ships), but that may be a subject for another video. Thank you for this. I will be sharing this video with others.
You can stop the stripy shirt glitchy thing by changing you camera settings! Can't remembe which setting it is though I'm afraid but my mate did domething to my panasonic and bingo. Great vid. Just been watching South Chnina Morning post on high volume of cruise ships being scrapped at mo.
Thanks! I’ll check it out. It only seems to be visible on some screens. For example it happens on a PC screen but my iMac and Television it’s clear so I was confused #stilllearning
Land developers could actually dig a big hole right next to the Shoreline Inn allow it to be filled with water and then they could drive a cruise ship up into it and backfill around it and now they have an amazing amount of apartments😉 I have talked about developing living quarters on deserted islands and everybody said that would be so difficult because you would have to have the infrastructure and make stores etc. I said no you simply drop off a track hoe & fuel... And then make a large hole in the island that you drive up a up a cruise ship into.... and then you push sand back around it !..and now you have your infrastructure ! it would have diesel fuel tanks that you could have diesel delivered and then you could use the diesel to run the pumps and the sewage systems and everything else you could do salivate your water and now you’ve got the beginnings of a small city!! and people are literally sinking these things ..& are cutting them up for scrap!! North Korea has an amazing ship...& it was built in 1990 and now I just sit there unused....And the leader said to take it down ..but no one’s done it yet because it cost money to do so 😉So a group of people who want to live on an island could actually go to a banker and say hey ..”we thousand people”... want to borrow money to do this ..and we could do it! We now have the Internet where we can contact thousands of people in moments😯👍
.. you do realize that a cruise ship needs to move every week or so to make fresh water and to discharge treated sewage into the ocean. You cannot just park a ship and have all the facilities continue to work.
@@peggyt1243 you pump water from uptide of the ship for fresh water and pump treated water down tide, treatment plants on land don't move so not sure where the problem would be, even if you had to make a treatment plant it would be no big deal, on the face of it the idea seems to have some merit, would be interesting to get feedback on what other people thought.
@@CrusaderSports250 Older ships generally did not have balconies; many cabins did not even have a porthole. Personally I would not want to live long term in a windowless cabin without a personal kitchen. Conversion costs would outweigh the cost of purpose built housing. Just my opinion.
@@peggyt1243 agree with the porthole thing, had an inside cabin ONCE, didn't feel right waking up in the dark, its not like waking up at night. You would need to cut lumps out the centre to create light, but thinking about it the biggest problem would be keeping it from degenerating into a slum via low cost housing and the inevitable planned bankruptcy of the company running it, more modern ships with balconies would be a better starting point, knocking two cabins into one, with the bathroom of one converted into the kitchen, would be an interesting exercise in space evaluation.
@@CrusaderSports250 I do not think there are any new contemporary (balconies) billion dollar cruise ships ready for scrapping. Maybe in another 30 or 40 years some will become available.
I grew up in Miami and I used to see that ship depart on the weekends. It hurt me too. What was worse is how NCL handled the whole thing. They could have sent her off with more dignity.
#370 Thank you, Chris, for a wonderful video about our amazing Passenger Vessel Industry. I believe that Covid 19 will render a significant change in the Cruise Ship Industry. I think the size is about as large as it will be seen. Smaller vessels may be the future of the industry due to human sickness. So many vessels lost to History!! Thanks!
I enjoyed your report very much but have a correction for you. When the Queen Mary had her funnels removed so the forward Engine Room and all her Boilers could be removed the metal was gone. Each of the three funnels had rusted out over her thirty years at sea and they crumbled they consisted of no more than 1001 coats of paint.
The Queen Mary's funnels were rotten. They had rusted thru and thru from heat and sea salt The paint was the only thing holding it together. I was in Long Beach when the Queen Mary arrived , watched it be dismantle and refurbished. Went on to become a tour guide on "The Queen"..
I know right. People complain about ships of the past not being saved, yet we have had and continue to have many going to the yards right now to which not a care is given. Those people are disingenuous and lack self-awareness.
My Grandfather served on the White Star liner 'Olympic',and my Father served on the vessel at 5:51, which is the former Cunard liner, Sylvania sailing under the name of 'Albatros' for the German cruise line Pheonix Reisen,at the time this image was taken. He also served on RMS Queen Mary. I understand that the keel of RMS Queen Elizabeth was too difficult to remove,and remains buried beneath the foundations of the Kwai Chung Container Terminal in Hong Kong.
Surprised you didn’t mention the SS United States, fastest Atlantic crossing Blue Riband winner, moored in Philadelphia since 1994, with no funding to make her profitable.
Thanks John. I didn’t mention her only because she has not been recycled or successfully opened in another use. Poor SS. United States - what a terrible fate for a record breaker to sit idle and in disrepair for so long 😫
Imagine buying a big ship just to grow weed in the international waters. Desalination on board with solar power/ mini wind turbines, id be set for life just grow and sell
@@biga87718 they are still huge. What engine model are you specifying. Because alot engines i seen from cats to libertys are pretty big. They can run a whole New York City block so please tell me how an engine and its systems are not big. Huge no but big as fuck and youll need 5ton cranes pull em out
Ny Dad was a ship builder in Glasgow Scotland. He was part of building many famous chips. We had picture of him on the side of the boat tied in with safety gear whatever that would be way back then.
I was hoping more insight would be available. For example - are they able to extract whole cabins which in newer vessels are installed as modules. And what of all the equipment from gym machines to kitchens capable of preparing hundreds of meals. Re-constructed on land would be an economical re-use of these items. Part 2 please... Dismantling, upright, in a shipyard is potentially safe. Dismantling on a beach is more likely to be unregulated or downright dangerous.
Any part or piece that can be removed and re-sold usually is. Chairs, kitchen equipment, all the little small parts can often be sold and re-used. The modules would require the same infrastructure as the ship, so it makes no sense to re-use, they will be scrapped. Its much easier and cheaper to build new with regular construction. Kitchen equipment might make its way to some small restaurants who need to save money.
Being born and raised in Miami and boaters the SS Norway is very familiar to me. We would see it docked every weekend out on the boat. In fact my neighbor worked on the ship.
Hi All, In one of the sailing magazines, I saw an article about an old ship that had run aground in southern Chile was being used as a pub. How about driving one of them down there and leaving it at Punta Arenas? Thanks, take care.
Cruise ships today IMO have a relatively short lifespan Carnival Fantasy - 20 years Carnival Imagination - 15 years Carnival Inspiration - 14 years I did notice that Carnival seems to rotate their ships out faster than most cruise lines.
You have two RMS QE2 models in the background so it is probably your favourite one. The one with grey hull is post-Falkland War. Grey does not seem to be a great colour on her. She should had been taken back to U.K instead of being left in Dubai.
I do and she is! I’ve been swapping the models in various videos, and a few people have asked if I’ve been repainting them, so I thought showing both would answer that question 🤣
Hi we are booked on Queen Mary 2 in May 22 to the fjords. We thought it was too good an opportunity to miss before she returns to the atlantic crossings. We will do that one day doging both ways. When are you back on Cunnard presenting and are you on Queen Mary 2 to the fjords. Your UK fans will love to have you present agaon soon.
That sucks buddy. We’ve never gone on a cruise yet but we’ve been happily married for 27 years now so maybe it will be best to just leave cruises out of our future
The Olympic-class HMHS. Britannic sunk during WWI. The ship mentioned in the video is MV. Britannic, launched in 1929.
The number of comments about Britannic got me thinking, would you be interested in a video about why cruise lines recycle ship names so often?
That video is here: m.th-cam.com/video/mF_3uhDL4F4/w-d-xo.html
Didn't Britanic sink as a hospital ship in WW 1?
Charles Blake yes
Would it have been possible for Britannic to miss the mine
I never knew about the second Britannic. I was about to comment and criticize you for that! Lol
I wish theyd kept olympic, aquitania, britannic and all of those and junked all the new garbage. Those ships where beautiful and had souls and a story to tell. These new ones are just floating garbage hotels. Like any old building
My old great grandfather served on the Olympic and I still have his discharge book with Captain Haddocks signature in it.. one day I will take it across the Atlantic again to New York!
Wow!. The other sister ship, The Britannic, sank in the Aegean Sea in 1916.
I did some artwork onboard the QE2 in the fall of ‘74 during multiple cruises from NY/Boston to many islands in the Caribbean. What an experience for a 21 year old artist. I’m so glad she wasn’t scrapped but made into a floating hotel and now located in Dubai.
The Queen Mary’s funnels were replaced because when they took them off to remove the boilers, the funnels collapsed under their own weight. When they were inspected, it was found that most of the metal had rusted away and were only being held up by the many layers of paint. As for why the boilers were removed was due to labor laws. If a retired ship still had the boilers, all employees were to get maritime pay. This was the case even if the ship is removed from the water and used as a land based hotel. By removing the boilers, they were able to save a lot of money by paying standard hotel wages.
Don't think that was the case they just wanted more space
@@MrJeep75 The area that the boilers were in is still empty. For a short time they were filming a TV show in one of the boilers location, but that is back to being an empty room. I know about the pay because that is what they tell you when you take the ship tour and ask why they didn't just leave the boilers in place.
I think it was also Cunard insisting that the ship must never sail again, to ensure their former flagship will not somehow end up with the competition.
Great Video !! Thank You Chris for all your dedication and hard work! The continued support of ocean liners and maritime history is very important! These ships are cornerstones of human greatness and achievements !!!
Thank you so much for the kind words.
Thank you for the great video, I subscribed. I have been the piano tuner for the cruise ships in Vancouver BC for the last, myself 36yrs and my father 57 years. They’re my life and I’m glad I found your channel.
There is some excellent research hear thanks Chris. Keep up the great work
Fascinating content well presented.
The SS Norway will never be forgotten, I rode that beautiful ship several times. For many years she held the title of largest cruise ship
Lot of class compared to new ships,, wife and I loved her 5 trips on her it was time!!☹️☹️
Fascinating to hear how old ships are recycled
Chris you always have the most interesting content and different takes on things. Thanks for this!
Thank you for mentioning the interior of the Olympic being refitted to the White Swan Hotel. Now on my Bucket List.
there's also the Mauretania pub in Bristol. Sadly, it's no longer a pub but a nightclub. It was shut when I was there but I looked through several windows and I saw the Mauretania's wall paneling.
But which White Swan Hotel? I'll be passing there tomorrow. It's in Alnwick, Northumberland, by the way.
Scrapping the Canberra upset a lot of people with very fond memories of the ship. One idea had been to preserve it as a floating hotel in Australia, but in the end it was just scrapped and cut up. I think a lot of Scots would like to have seen the QE2 return permanently to the Clyde, but in the end Dubai got the ship as a hotel and tourist attraction. At least it wasn't scrapped.
For now at least... The yard where the QE2 was built is now a community college site. A seawall was built to level the site and a new post secondary building was built there. I have seen pictures of the QE2 being built and I live in Halifax, Nova Scotia which is the hometown of Samuel Cunard himself! And it was sad to see QE2 go.
As was the first Rotterdam. About my age and now docked for good in the Netherlands. As a hotel I think.
Canberra was going to be sent to Adelaide for use as a Floating Hotel off Glenelg beach to cater for massive influx of patrons visiting for the Australian Grand Prix each year. Sadly it never happened and P&O never wanted the ship to be used against them by a competitor and as such she was shystered out of Southampton in the middle of the night to head off to Gadani Beach to be cut up so no one could ever use her again. How narrow minded was that eh ?
My Father, Mother, sister and I were the next to last cruise the SS Norway took, before one of the steamers exploded at the Port of Miami. The best cruise EVER!
You do very solid, informative videos. Enjoyed that very much!
Very nice Chris, as well the nod to Peter Knego who has shared his wealth of knowledge with us for years. Especially during the France period. Don't recall a bigger stir than her 'nez' cutting caused. Still, everything has a lifespan and keeping a ship afloat and seaworthy is very expensive. Thanks for your submissions, and for taking up the torch.
But the thing is that it's been done with ships as old as HMS Victory.
Very interesting material thank you for your research.
You have done amazing job and thank you...it is sad to see some of the ships I’ve traveled on now being scrapped
Imagination and inspiration as well as monarch, and recently Amsterdam has been sold -can’t wait to cruise again but it will be a much different environment and protocol requirements will hinder the return of some cruisers
Interesting, I enjoyed that.
Very interesting and informative video. Ty for your time and video. HUGS and GOD bless us everyone
Glad you enjoyed it
I learnt something new in this video ..
I did not know that Queen Mary’s funnels are basically replicas with the old ones scrapped.
Thanks for joining me or a look at Recycling Cruise Ships.
My thanks to Peter Knego, Andrew Sassoli-Walker and Rob Henderson for their image / video support on this video.
Brilliant thanks Chris.
Why have you now got 2 models of the QE2 in the background?
I have a key chain made out of metal from Queen Mary propeller.
I also remeber visiting the Britannic inLiverlool why she was still in service.
We have sailed on both QM2 and Queen Elizabeth and were due to sail on Queen Victoris this autumn but cancelled due to Covid!
Really enjoy alm your videos and read hour books
Chris Rose
I had been swapping the models in various videos and some people have asked if I’ve been repainting them, so I thought showing both would answer that question 🤣
PS: thanks so much for your support of the books and videos 😀
Can the lifeboats be bought to convert into a weekender for domestic use ?
Peter Knego is the man! I don't know what I'd do if it weren't for his regular dispatches on all things "passenger ship"-ish.
Bravo ! Chris' enthusiasm for these old girls tickles ! B-)
I particularly enjoyed hearing about q.e.2's old propeller being resold in the gift shop as golf clubs
and was struck by the notion of pyramids outnumbering retired ships.
Glad you enjoyed it
We stayed on the Queen Mary years ago in Long Beach, CA On a tour we were told that boilers had to be removed to make the ship un-operational so not to have boat-union labor employed, to do this the ships stacks had to be removed. When they did this they found pretty much what was holding them together was years of paint, so they had to be replaced. The plan was to put the old ones back on. it was a very interesting tour. We have be back several times for Sunday brunch in the main dining room.
I was on both the carnival inspiration and fascination and the inspiration was the first cruise I ever took many many years ago sad to see it was out of service
I was on inspiration and imagination only a few years ago -they did 3 and 4 day Mexico cruise out of Long Beach, CA-this is very sad
Of all the ships I've been on, the SS Norway was my favorite. Only got to go 3 times. Thanks
Thanks! Never thought about the ships being scrapped until covid
I think I remember a video about ship scrapping in Bangladesh. It was tragic how improperly it was done and how dangerous the work was for terrible pay. I don't know how widespread it is but it blew my mind.
Already ticked and subscribed and ticked to get the latest upload :) another great video consistent in standard with those that have gone before. :) thank you
Thank you 🙏
Just last year i was on the sovereign sad to see her go out like this. Crew was very dedicaded to make it a good time for everyone and ship itself for it’s age was beautiful.
I was one Of Carnivals onboard corporate trainer’s on the Carnival Fantasy. Hard work, amazing places to see but loved that job
Fantasy was our first cruise and also our last. We were on the next to last cruise on her. She will be missed but not forgotten
Lots of information and no wasted time: looking at your other videos this is worth a tick and a subscribe., Great work thanks for posting :)
Welcome aboard!
Thank you most interesting as always.
Very interesting. Maybe next time a video that shows a time lapse of a ship being scrapped from start to finish?
How about asking someone to film the scrapping process of the four ships that are now being scrapped in Turkey?
You will probably never get a better opportunity to do so.
I am working in the shipyard and manage the operation in first hand, what I can tell is time-lapse like recordings are forbidden due to agreements with the owner of the cruise ship. Otherwise I would love to do such project.
I think there is a time lapse video of the SS Norway (Blue Lady) but I'll have to look for it!
@@94YILDIRIMHAN can you sell me any small deck signage from FANTASY or INSPIRATION? I went on both as a child, thanks!
@@grand_vacation dude, i have recovered some artifacts from vessel. For example Jesus and Sailor portrait from bridge. But I will look something for you. Just tell me what do you want exactly.
@@94YILDIRIMHAN How do you feel about ship preservation, working in a boneyard and all?
Great video! I was under the impression that the original funnels on Queen Mary actually disintegrated when being removed to allow access to remove items from below decks and that’s the reason they were replaced.
That is correct.
One thing that was not mentioned in the video, was that the older ships contained asbestos in the engine room. This makes scrapping a ship a lot more expensive than newer ships that don't contain asbestos.
That’s a good point. Many of the older ships also contained asbestos in their superstructure too.
This was brilliant.
Fascinating!
Very interesting, many thanks Chris!
Halloween 1993, I went on my first cruise on Sovereign of the Seas. At that time, she was serving Royal Caribbean Cruise Line. I'm heartbroken to see her gone...
It’s very sad to see your first ship retired 😢
As a kid, I remember seeing Sovereign of the Seas come into Miami after crossing the Atlantic from France after her construction. Everything that could float or fly was in the harbor to welcome her to her new home. It's sad to see her go.
@@ChrisFrameOfficial "Retired" What a grating term!
Queen mary in long beach needs so much love and tlc I’m afraid eventually she will end up in a scrap yard.. last time i visited the ship i saw so much rust it was unreal 😔
Honestly the Queen Mary needs to be taken out of water and put in concrete in a similar way the IJN Mikasa is preserved.
diego arias that won’t happen.. they have one of the props in a glass room under the ship as an attraction.
We spent a night on the Queen Mary at Christmas time a few years ago and did the Chill experience. Fun to visit for a day, so much more fun spending the night. Very much worth doing at least once.
Thank you. That’s very educational and detail. I sailed on to that are no longer sailing. Sad as it it. I have shared your video with many others. Thank you. Continue making great educational films. 👍🏻🛳🚢🛳🚢🙏🏻🇺🇸
Thank you!
You're right Chris... until 2020 I had NEVER thought about what happens to "retired" cruise ships, until SO MANY ships began disappearing from service & "being sold for scrap"?! 😲 🚢
Thanks. Very interesting and well told 👍 as usual.
I believe that the bow of the SS France is now on display near the cruise terminal at Le Havre. I did my first transatlantic crossing on this ship (aged 6) and I was so pleased to go and see the bow when I was on a cruise that called at Le Havre last summer.
Ahhh they’ve moved it! Thanks for letting me know!
Chris Frame You’re welcome. I think they moved it from Paris about 18 months ago. It is worth seeing if you ever find yourself there as they have put up boards showing photos and the history of the ship.
You did an excellent job.Well informed and I wish the other channels would do the same.
Excellent upload. I thought that you would've missed some of the main issues with ship recycling, but you covered them all (and gave great examples for each). I wished you had mentioned some of the environmental issues involved with the recycling process (particularly with older ships), but that may be a subject for another video.
Thank you for this. I will be sharing this video with others.
Thank you. That was so knowledgeable. Have a wonderful evening 😊😊😊😊
Excellent info, thank you very much
Great show you have
Thank you!
RIP Carnival Inspiration (and Imagination).. sailed on Inspiration 3 times.... for a 'budget' cruise, had a wonderful time.....
With Olympic I own one of the tiles from its first class swimming pool
Great and informative video 🛳
I am happy to see the Marco Polo being saved from the scrapyard. Man, that would have hurt me if she was scrapped.
hear hear ; my late father loved her
Well she was scrapped now :(( just heard it lately
You can stop the stripy shirt glitchy thing by changing you camera settings! Can't remembe which setting it is though I'm afraid but my mate did domething to my panasonic and bingo. Great vid. Just been watching South Chnina Morning post on high volume of cruise ships being scrapped at mo.
Thanks! I’ll check it out. It only seems to be visible on some screens. For example it happens on a PC screen but my iMac and Television it’s clear so I was confused #stilllearning
I watch this twice so two thumbs ☝ ☝
I've learned a lot with this video.
This is interesting content, and answered questions I did not know I had.
Great video, interesting!
Thank you
Great video. Shame there was not more footage of cutting and smashing up the insides. Scrapping and recycling is great!
Land developers could actually dig a big hole right next to the Shoreline Inn allow it to be filled with water and then they could drive a cruise ship up into it and backfill around it
and now they have an amazing amount of apartments😉
I have talked about developing living quarters on deserted islands and everybody said that would be so difficult because you would have to have the infrastructure and make stores etc. I said no you simply drop off a track hoe & fuel... And then make a large hole in the island that you drive up a up a cruise ship into.... and then you push sand back around it !..and now you have your infrastructure ! it would have diesel fuel tanks that you could have diesel delivered and then you could use the diesel to run the pumps and the sewage systems and everything else you could do salivate your water and now you’ve got the beginnings of a small city!! and people are literally sinking these things ..& are cutting them up for scrap!!
North Korea has an amazing ship...& it was built in 1990 and now I just sit there unused....And the leader said to take it down ..but no one’s done it yet because it cost money to do so
😉So a group of people who want to live on an island could actually go to a banker and say hey ..”we thousand people”... want to borrow money to do this ..and we could do it!
We now have the Internet where we can contact thousands of people in moments😯👍
.. you do realize that a cruise ship needs to move every week or so to make fresh water and to discharge treated sewage into the ocean. You cannot just park a ship and have all the facilities continue to work.
@@peggyt1243 you pump water from uptide of the ship for fresh water and pump treated water down tide, treatment plants on land don't move so not sure where the problem would be, even if you had to make a treatment plant it would be no big deal, on the face of it the idea seems to have some merit, would be interesting to get feedback on what other people thought.
@@CrusaderSports250 Older ships generally did not have balconies; many cabins did not even have a porthole. Personally I would not want to live long term in a windowless cabin without a personal kitchen. Conversion costs would outweigh the cost of purpose built housing. Just my opinion.
@@peggyt1243 agree with the porthole thing, had an inside cabin ONCE, didn't feel right waking up in the dark, its not like waking up at night. You would need to cut lumps out the centre to create light, but thinking about it the biggest problem would be keeping it from degenerating into a slum via low cost housing and the inevitable planned bankruptcy of the company running it, more modern ships with balconies would be a better starting point, knocking two cabins into one, with the bathroom of one converted into the kitchen, would be an interesting exercise in space evaluation.
@@CrusaderSports250 I do not think there are any new contemporary (balconies) billion dollar cruise ships ready for scrapping. Maybe in another 30 or 40 years some will become available.
Such a good video. The dislikes are bums!
Haha surely they just mistakenly pressed the wrong button 🤣
Awesome content well presented great information 👍
I served for a short time on the Norway. Man it hurt to see her being scrapped.
I grew up in Miami and I used to see that ship depart on the weekends. It hurt me too. What was worse is how NCL handled the whole thing. They could have sent her off with more dignity.
Saw you on the ABC and decided to look it up and found your video very cool.
Thanks so much 😊
#370 Thank you, Chris, for a wonderful video about our amazing Passenger Vessel Industry. I believe that Covid 19 will render a significant change in the Cruise Ship Industry. I think the size is about as large as it will be seen. Smaller vessels may be the future of the industry due to human sickness. So many vessels lost to History!! Thanks!
What's better than one QE2 behind you? Two! hehe Great video Chris :)
Great video as usual!
I'm curious...by any chance have you heard of Regency cruises? (or Tony Lelakis and Taki Kyriakides?)
Also the Franca C was saved from scrapping, she previously said for Costa cruise lines and today she is a hotel in Bintin lsland.
Except it looks completely different and is now called MV Doublos Phos.
Resilience of the cruise ship industry
Thank you Chris,
This video was extremely well researched and presented.
Les Graham
Sydney Australia
I enjoyed your report very much but have a correction for you. When the Queen Mary had her funnels removed so the forward Engine Room and all her Boilers could be removed the metal was gone. Each of the three funnels had rusted out over her thirty years at sea and they crumbled they consisted of no more than 1001 coats of paint.
Yes. Very interesting.
Great video. Will you be doing aircraft videios in the future>. I love how discribe what you are showing.
The Queen Mary's funnels were rotten. They had rusted thru and thru from heat and sea salt The paint was the only thing holding it together. I was in Long Beach when the Queen Mary arrived , watched it be dismantle and refurbished. Went on to become a tour guide on "The Queen"..
The wife and I love the QM. We have stayed there a few times. I don't believe in places being haunted, but this place was haunted.
Omg cutting off the bow seems so mean 🤣
I wonder if it hurt. 😵
Cutting off your nose to spite your face? 😀
It’s called a circumshipon
Mean? How?
@@cruisecrazy7066 Once they shut them down after beaching they don't feel anything
Am I correct when you said Monarch. That was once the Monarch of the Seas that was once a Royal Caribbean ship? We loved that ship!
That’s one in the same. Sad to see her go.
Perfect topic for a man named Frame.
I wonder if the scrapyards could or are currently selling parts/inside furnishings as souvenirs.
Alang does. Check out midship century.com. bear in mind, interior parts are huge, and you are responsible for the shipping costs, which are huge.
So sad, the first ship I served on for P&O was the Oronsay when I was 16
my great uncle started on orontes and retired on chusan . r i p uncle harry
A vídeo very interesting. Congratulations!
We have a Beautiful ship just sitting here for years in limbo in Philly SS UNITED STATES
I know right. People complain about ships of the past not being saved, yet we have had and continue to have many going to the yards right now to which not a care is given. Those people are disingenuous and lack self-awareness.
My Grandfather served on the White Star liner 'Olympic',and my Father served on the vessel at 5:51, which is the former Cunard liner, Sylvania sailing under the name of 'Albatros' for the German cruise line Pheonix Reisen,at the time this image was taken. He also served on RMS Queen Mary. I understand that the keel of RMS Queen Elizabeth was too difficult to remove,and remains buried beneath the foundations of the Kwai Chung Container Terminal in Hong Kong.
Surprised you didn’t mention the SS United States, fastest Atlantic crossing Blue Riband winner, moored in Philadelphia since 1994, with no funding to make her profitable.
Thanks John. I didn’t mention her only because she has not been recycled or successfully opened in another use. Poor SS. United States - what a terrible fate for a record breaker to sit idle and in disrepair for so long 😫
And very few people who can see it everyday crossing the Walt don't even know what it was
Imagine buying a huge ship engine and just using it to power a giant fan
Yasssss
Imagine buying a big ship just to grow weed in the international waters. Desalination on board with solar power/ mini wind turbines, id be set for life just grow and sell
Engines are not as big as they once were. They push hydraulics after the combustion and not stream on direct drive systems like the Titanic had.
@@biga87718 they are still huge. What engine model are you specifying. Because alot engines i seen from cats to libertys are pretty big. They can run a whole New York City block so please tell me how an engine and its systems are not big. Huge no but big as fuck and youll need 5ton cranes pull em out
Ny Dad was a ship builder in Glasgow Scotland. He was part of building many famous chips. We had picture of him on the side of the boat tied in with safety gear whatever that would be way back then.
I was hoping more insight would be available. For example - are they able to extract whole cabins which in newer vessels are installed as modules. And what of all the equipment from gym machines to kitchens capable of preparing hundreds of meals. Re-constructed on land would be an economical re-use of these items. Part 2 please... Dismantling, upright, in a shipyard is potentially safe. Dismantling on a beach is more likely to be unregulated or downright dangerous.
Thanks for the ideas for Part 2!
Any part or piece that can be removed and re-sold usually is. Chairs, kitchen equipment, all the little small parts can often be sold and re-used.
The modules would require the same infrastructure as the ship, so it makes no sense to re-use, they will be scrapped. Its much easier and cheaper to build new with regular construction. Kitchen equipment might make its way to some small restaurants who need to save money.
You are going to pay for a shipyard to cut it apart huh?
Good evening from St John Parish, Louisiana 02 Nov 20.
Interesting footage, thanks, but propellors in to golf clubs is ghoulish. That happened to one of the Lusitania's rescued props in te 1930s.
Being born and raised in Miami and boaters the SS Norway is very familiar to me. We would see it docked every weekend out on the boat. In fact my neighbor worked on the ship.
Thanks Chris for this edition of your VLOG.
TH-cam ADS ARE TERRIBLE. Great vid TY
I considered buying a recycled item from a ship once, but the shipping cost on an anchor is prohibitive (especially overnight)
Carvival imagination is also gone to scrap at the same yard as fantasy and inspiration
I.miss the inspiration i got drunk as hell on that ship
@@kyoakland I got drunk on the Sensation! Great time on Carnival cruises. Still want to go again. 😃
Nice video! I'm glad the SS Rotterdam has been preserved, I visited it 2 years ago, it was amazing!
So why was the Canberra so hard to scrap?
Hi All, In one of the sailing magazines, I saw an article about an old ship that had run aground in southern Chile was being used as a pub. How about driving one of them down there and leaving it at Punta Arenas? Thanks, take care.
Cruise ships today IMO have a relatively short lifespan
Carnival Fantasy - 20 years
Carnival Imagination - 15 years
Carnival Inspiration - 14 years
I did notice that Carnival seems to rotate their ships out faster than most cruise lines.
You have two RMS QE2 models in the background so it is probably your favourite one. The one with grey hull is post-Falkland War. Grey does not seem to be a great colour on her. She should had been taken back to U.K instead of being left in Dubai.
I do and she is! I’ve been swapping the models in various videos, and a few people have asked if I’ve been repainting them, so I thought showing both would answer that question 🤣
Hi we are booked on Queen Mary 2 in May 22 to the fjords. We thought it was too good an opportunity to miss before she returns to the atlantic crossings. We will do that one day doging both ways. When are you back on Cunnard presenting and are you on Queen Mary 2 to the fjords. Your UK fans will love to have you present agaon soon.
Thanks Janet!
Crazy my honeymoon was on the carnival fantasy now its being scrapped. Ironically so is my marriage....lol
Dang...
That sucks buddy. We’ve never gone on a cruise yet but we’ve been happily married for 27 years now so maybe it will be best to just leave cruises out of our future
There is a good reason (apart from fraud) that marriage failure insurance does not exist. Nobody could afford the premiums.
Sad to hear about BOTH events!