When Post-Interview Feedback Goes Wrong! - My Personal Experience
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- When Post-Interview Feedback Goes Wrong - My Personal Experience - After your job interview, you ask for feedback on why you were rejected. But HR doesn't give you any meaningful feedback so you can improve in future job interviews. Or worse, they may ghost or ignore you. But why is it so difficult to get feedback after you get rejected? I share with you a personal story of when this went really wrong.
0:00 - intro
1:00 - Why employers don't give feedback
4:28 - My personal story
8:12 - Second story with examples
12:59 - interview help
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Received a post-interview rejection last week, and was disappointed to be told they wouldn’t give me feedback. However, shrug, fair enough, for all the reasons you explain. The bit that absolutely flummoxed me though was that in the same email they said they’d be sending me a survey to ask for my feedback on their recruitment process, “because feedback was very valuable to them”. Right back atcha, folks! The survey arrived today; chances of me filling it in: big fat 0.
lmao, gottem
Yeah why spend your time making them better? They should at least give a gift card or something ;)
Employer-employee relationships should go both ways. Maybe it's a good thing you didn't start working for them. Keep it up! You're not alone.
I would have replied, stating, the reason your not giving feedback, hope you did !
You could give them feedback by politely pointing out the hypocrisy/irony of them being unwilling to give you feedback.
Sadly, these days its rare to even get a generic "sorry, we went with someone else" letter.
Or they’ll come in months after you’ve applied to a job. The longest stretch I had was ~5 months between job application and rejection letter email.
That's not excusable - everyone should be followed up with a least a generic email.
The worst was getting Ghosted by a fortune 500 company that I had two rounds of interviews with. The best part was showing up 2 years later on their job site as a consultant in charge of the role I interviewed for.
@@ALifeAfterLayoff, it 100% is. I've had multiple company paid out of town interviews (flight, hotel, meals) that have ghosted completely despite me following up.
This or if yoydo get a generic rejection, its months and months after the interview when you already assumed they had ghosted you.
No wonder people hate corporate life. It is so freaking inhumane.
I hate it. People are extremely disrespectful.
Corporate=Disconnected from reality
@@Info-Godwork for mid sized companies
@@dieglhix I worked. Same shit, but this time coming from jealous backstabbing colleagues combined with un-ethical management/owner who let me go without cause. My arse.
They wouldn't have that much power over us or be somewhere many of us wanted to be if we had affordable health insurance that isn't tied to our employer.
I've been rejected so many times over the years that I consider myself a pro at rejection. It doesn't pay to be proud and snarky in responding to rejection. I've done that before. More recently, I thanked a recruiter for offering feedback similar to that shown in your video, and commented on what a rare thing that is. Having acted on that recruiter's advice, I'm landing more interviews now!
You're lucky my mother in law got an automated call asking her to take a survey about being denied the job which was how she found out they weren't hiring her
@@sturnie1 Ouch. That's cold!
Last time I got rejected, they said "work on your programming skills." This was after making me do an 8 hour programming test.
Just don't jump through hoops. My current employer asked me a couple of basic programming questions so that I wasn't faking/misrepresenting my knowledge. My first two weeks was me doing stuff for them and then them showing me how I "should" have done it to their standards when they differed. After that we were golden.
Stop trying to find the perfect candidate. Instead, you can MAKE the perfect candidate - if the person has the right attitude.
I would not even talk to an employer for an interview if they made me do a code test.
thank u...u wont find the perfect candidate.
The best way to let the hiring team know that they made the right decision is by telling them that they made the wrong decision.
Ha, true!
I can definitely understand the frustration in that last story. Sure their resume was terrible and a quick google search of a generic resume format would drastically improve it. However, it's easy to forget that when job searching it can take hundreds of job applications and each and every one wants a personalized cover letter and resume tailored specifically to them and that role, whereas after putting in all that effort, the most many people get is a generic zero effort rejection letter (and that's assuming the company can be bothered to do even that). I feel like it's important to remember when hearing or experiencing irate applicants like this, is that one person is getting paid to go through this process, and the other isn't.
Progressive was actually nice enough to provide feedback for me after a reject. They basically just said they are a competitive company with thousands of applicants. I took that to mean " you didn't seem that desperate and we need desperate people that will happily be overworked and underpaid until their burned out and we do another round of hiring"
Sounds like you are good at reading between the lines
Sounds like you weren't good enough
I don't really mind not getting feedback on how I did during an interview. I just care about getting to know if I did or did not get the job. I despise the ghosting aspect of employers and find it extremely unprofessional.
If anything it's just lazy and irresponsible.
I was “head hunted” by an agent despite not being motivated to move. Despite not agreeing to an interview I was put forward for multiple interviews (not made aware until I was in the meeting). Ultimately offered a demotion, a £15k reduction in pay and given a host of criticism.
My response was “I’ve not agreed to even apply for this role” and hung up on the recruiter.
Worse case of miscommunication I’ve ever seen. It was comical how badly this was handled.
You didn't know you were being interviewed?
@@ALifeAfterLayoff I agreed to discuss the role informally as the agent had very little information. What was set up was a formal interview (with an interviewer who didn’t know anything about me other than my CV).
As I hadn’t decided if I wanted the role I wanted more information about what it was. Even the interviewer didn’t know exactly what role I was put forward for.
First line was “why are you applying for this role?”,
To be fair this was an agent who was really not communicating between his client and myself. I had not applied for any role with the company in question.
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I had a a couple of typos and punctuation errors in my last resume. I’m proud of my mastery of spelling and punctuation, so I’m embarrassed that I missed these. But I actually asked in my interviews if there was anything they noticed in my resume that I could improve. When someone pointed out my errors, I was embarrassed, but also super grateful that they said something because I was able to fix it, and my resume was better for it. It’s hard to take feedback sometimes, especially when it’s blunt, but if you take it for what it is, you will look better next time around.
A simple fix or quick feedback can be very helpful.
ALWAYS have somone else proof read your resume or cover letter. In fact ANY important emails I send out I have my wife look over, amazed the mistakes you miss, don't EVER proof read yourself. YOUR BRAIN misses it as it skips around the things you know you were trying to say, a stranger doesnt know.
90%+ of employers don't care about typo and grammatical errors on a resume. They will only tell you they saw or found spelling and grammatical errors on your resume, if they want to be assholes and don't want to hire you. I've had spelling and grammatical errors on my resume many, many, many times and I still got hired. An employer will use any and all excuses to not hire you.
@@izamalcadosa2951 I don’t dispute your experience, but when I’m hiring, I will reject a resume and cover letter with typos and grammatical errors.
We get tons of applicants; I only want to interview people who know they need to make sure these two simple pages are done right. If they don’t care enough to run spell-check, why should I care enough to interview them?
That said, I’ve hired for jobs where writing is important. I might think differently if I was hiring a machinist or a plumber whose skill lies in an entirely different area.
@@johnsrabeit’s poor reasoning skills to think that because someone missed a typo they won’t be able to do a job unrelated, like if you’re hiring for anything other than a book editor pretty much. It makes me question your ability to make good hiring decisions if that is your priority
I guess I’ve been lucky. All the recruiters I’ve worked with have always provided some kind of feedback, even if it’s just that the employer went with another candidate. I interviewed for a position back in February and I knew I didn’t meet all the requirements, but the recruiter still wanted to submit me. She let me know that they decided to pursue other candidates.
The recruiter called me last week and said the position is still not filled and they might want to interview me again. I started a new job two months ago, so I declined and thanked the recruiter for reaching out.
Sounds like you've indeed been lucky with the feedback. Ghosting is too common.
Tell you that "they went with another candidate" isn't really feedback. I want to know exactly why I didn't get hired!
Good to see actual stories that illustrate the subject! Speaking of "generic", I recently received a rejection e-mail with "" and "" literally still in the e-mail! The sender was too lazy to even insert their own company name in the e-mail template, let alone my name. And I had an on-site interview and good discussion with the CEO and COO during my interview! LOL!
@@ericr1 Yep.-they were very 'seat of the pants' as a business. I sent a thank you letter back with as the closer-just to keep with their normal practice. LOL!
@Cuivre, And such "objects" have a job. But we all wonder why so low quality of way too many people. That's why.
I actually don't hate getting the generic rejection letter/email. They are already in my top 50% just by letting me know they are not moving on with me.
Ghosting sux, esp if it's a lengthy recruitment round.
There was 1 particular feedback I heard that made me more comfortable accept rejection. If feedback was more common, more of us would take rejection better.
Not really. Many people make up excuses to justify the reasons of their rejection. Most people cannot handle rejection well.
Lots of narcissistic rage from that candidate. Thanks for sharing.
The thing with candidates is that they look for jobs that they think they could do and apply, while hiring managers are very square headed and rather than looking for someone that can do a certain job they idealize a candidate, and only look for someone in that range of specifications someone created out of nowhere and so those companies with hiring teams always have personnel problems, because oddly they never find the idealized candidates to do the jobs, that's how we end up with job postings asking for 5 or 10 years experience for an entry level job that pays close to nothing, or asking for 5 years experience in a software that only came out 2 years ago.
I love these videos because they remind me that no matter how good I think I am, there’s always someone better. But sometimes even when there’s someone better, I still stand a chance.
Good luck, everyone. Thanks, Bryan for another great video.
"Why didn't you hire me?"
"From the answers you gave, you seem kinda stupid."
"Understandable. Have a nice day!"
I'm fine not getting feedback, as long as they're fine with me not putting in a two week notice when I quit and denying any sort of exit interview. You know, for legal reasons and such.
some people just can’t take “no” and it really shows
Thank you. I sent a link to your channel to a friend who is job hunting. I had set him up with an interview at a friends company but he failed the video interview. My friend gave me feedback but I was reluctant to tell my friend the truth. After a lengthy discussion he came to bis own conclusion which was exactly the feedback I had gotten about him. I did not let on that I had gotten feedback but did say " yep that is probably it" I then sent him your videos and his job hunting is going much better. I just didn't want to out and out crush his spirit which cam happen with feedback especially when someone is confident they nailed it when they did not
Just want to give feedback to you based on my experience.
A year ago.. I was given the opportunity for an interview at a company whom I won't say but they happen build spacecrafts, planetary exploration and other things that help mankind in general..
I've watched countless amount of your videos and put many hours in rewatching them to help guide me through the multiple interview process.
I am 1 year in this role, as of this week and love it everyday. I truly believe without your videos and preparation, I would not have done as well as I would without it.
Thank you!
Just received a rejection after interviewing for a job and completing a lengthy project for them. I went out on a limb and asked for feedback but I highly doubt I’ll get a response. Offering helpful advice is honestly the least they could do after investing so much time/energy into the project and basically giving them free labor…
I make it a point to thank all recruiters for feedback, especially if it's via a phone call. It's so rare these days and rejecting people isn't fun either. Picking up the phone and telling someone they won't get their dream job is tough and even if you get rejected, that feedback can go a long way in future interview processes.
You might as well show some kindness and make a good final impression. The last rejection i got was from a position i was very excited about and i got into the final round out of around 100 candidates. I thanked the recruiter for the feedback, and for how transparent they were through the entire process. They told me they want to keep my application open because they may have another opening soon that i would be a great fit for.
I didn't really expect to hear from them. But they actually made me an offer for a more R&D focused role (part of the feedback was that they thought my previous experience was more research focused so they thought the role may not meet my expectations) a few months later in the same team. I was actually dumbfounded cause i thought that they were just softening the blow.
I had already found something else at that point, but this really shows how important handling a rejection with professionalism and kindness can go.
Keep in mind that people who react to a rejection in a harsh or maybe immature way have probably not been in that rodeo just once by that point. Been there, done that.
Point I'm trying to make: application process is very, very stressful to candidates, to a point that it makes it difficult to respond in any way or keep your reaction "clean".
Let me speak for myself though: I'm a clinically depressed person. I've been struggling to find work for literal years. The generic rejections are a little bit irritating, sure. But the same generic response you receive from a recruiter after going through the trouble of 2 or 3 interviews would be enough to actually trigger me to a point that I'd be out the running for the next few WEEKS at least.
I understand that this can never become the employers' problem, but at the same time I definitely understand how some people can handle rejection just a little bit better than others.
I went through a "head hunter" about 5 years ago after the company I worked for closed it's door when they got bought out. My "staffing agency" got me an interview with a company that was a great fit. I was going for Senior Software Engineer position which is what I was at old company. The company after my interview told my recruiter that I wasn't "Senior Enough". What? I had like 18 years experience at that time professionally and had been developing software since Middle School. Bad part is I was programming before the kid interviewing me was even born LOL
@Ismellfishallaroundfish You wanted a younger candidate..
I don’t care if they get back to me or not. I’m a super pro, and it’s them who need me.
Most people don't realize that occasionally the first candidate doesn't work out and they have to go back and look at either new candidates, or if another candidate had stood out. So they may come back to them if they were the second choice. In some cases I have seen the company look at a candidate, and actually hire them for something more along their line of experience a few weeks later just because they impressed them along the way. I have also seen where one company would recommend an applicant (although very rare only once in my life) to another company that was in a similar line of work. So word is, don't dump on a company if you get feedback. Some people do keep you in mind and if something comes up that is better suited to you, they try to reach back out. If you dis them, you won't get the time of day later. No future interviews and in rare instances, if you ever reapply for another position, your resume/app goes in the trash because they keep records of things like that. Be respectful and courteous, or you just confirm they were right in not hiring you. Also, keep in mind, in some industries, word gets around so you may be shooting yourself in the foot by doing something like this.
That first feedback letter was pure gold. The person actually took time to describe all of the finer points that would be incredibly useful to the person in the future.
Watching and listening to your video right now, I find the antidote you shared about the candidate that you dealt with in your experience, as well as the candidate that received a reply from the other company to be very telling. I think that some people just cannot handle being rejected. The second story I think was very helpful and I didn’t find it condescending. I think that in my own career life if I had received something like that to let me know exactly where I went wrong it would allow me to know how to reposition myself in the future with that company, as well as perhaps others.
The problem I see is the email example sounds like an excuse for ignoring what was obviously qualifying skills for the job in question, it is easy to see how someone receiving that would conclude the were deliberately failed or excluded.
As a hiring manager, I really go out of my way to give feedback. Especially for internal roles.
I usually break it down into 3 areas:
- what went well
- what could have been better
- advice/suggestions
From my personal experience, it's things like this that help retain staff.
I failed management interviews twice in my previous company but I held onto the feedback and followed the suggestions and finally got where I wanted to be.
I work for a much larger company now and elements of that are missing. They're getting better at it.
I've failed easily over 100 interviews in my lifetime and also rejected a lot of candidates as a hiring manager.
Most of the time, I've got 0 feedback, some of the time generic, some of the time half-arsed, but what really wanted me to try again was the constructive (sometimes even harsh) feedback.
It does require a lot of time to do it right and I understand that but it's something I'm passionate about. I will put time aside especially for internal candidate feedback.
I've seen it happen where recruiters will tell the successful candidate first and ghost the others. Or the other candidates won't even know why they weren't called for an interview.
Then the other candidates find out through the grapevine and all of a sudden, it becomes a toxic working environment.
Even generic feedback is important but thoughtful, constructive feedback is preferable for me.
Good for you. Feedback is so important for internal candidates … as you point out it’s not just a common courtesy but fosters a healthy work environment. And a manager who cannot come up with a concrete reason for not hiring someone needs to get sanctioned. It reeks of potential discrimination.
(Regular feedback is vital in every job; performance reviews should include no surprises.)
That's great! Keep doing it!
"I failed an interview" what a cucky statement lol keep lickin them boots
If they didn’t like the resume they should not have asked the candidate for the interview. This is when they can ask the questions and get matching answers.
I'm going to provide a little perspective from the OTHER side of this equation.
What happens if you have a series of unsuccessful interviews, and yet, multiple career counselors tell you there's *nothing wrong* with your interviewing style? With a complete lack of data, one starts seriously wondering if something hinky is going on, particularly if all the interviews are in one sector (in my case, state government). This was actually confirmed when, after a *four year job hunt,* I was finally hired. My boss, who never had been a supervisor before, let out that he'd recommended against me because of (reasons related to my disabilities), but he was overruled by his boss, and he was glad he was. After a year, my first probationary review came out and it had top marks from both my bosses. So why did all my other interviews fail?
Maybe this is a problem with no good solution. I'm very much of the opinion that the entire recruiting and interviewing process is utterly broken, and bad faith is rampant. But you confirmed the other side: No legal department with sense would EVER allow a failed candidate to be told the truth, especially a disabled person like me. It opens up a boatload of liability even if the interviewers are acting in *good* faith.
I think you were somehow blacklisted. It is illegal but even more difficult to prove so it can be a real thing.
So, I’ve been laid of after 10 year's at my previous company, still searching in the last 3 months and its been pretty rough. Very few interviews, applied at 60+ local and remote jobs for a UX/UI or front-end web development position. One of the very first companies I applied to reached out to me, and I made it to the 3rd and final technical interview. All the interviews went really well, and I thought I had the job with 90% confidence. However weeks went by didn’t hear anything, pretty much ghosted no with response after 3 months of working with them. And this was from a very large corporate business too. At the very least I just wanted closure. extremally unprofessional on their end, and frustrating on mine.
Great video's and it's comforting I'm not alone in all this! Subscribed!
The closure is important - shame on companies who don't give at least a rejection email.
@@ALifeAfterLayoff Needless to say, the survey they sent out reflects my point of view now clearly now.
Good luck and make sure to pray. That industry is firing.
@@ALifeAfterLayoff it's brand damage. if i don't even get an email to say they've got my application, let alone a no thank you, you'll never hear from me again.
Its so hard to keep my head up and feel like theres a place for me in this madness...
In some cases it isn't really possible to provide full feedback either. I had just completed what was basically a lightning-round final leg of the hiring process where I spent about 2 and a half hours interviewing the entire panel separately(C Suite, Department Manager, Position Supervisor, and senior employee in the position) as part of the final round. One of the people I interviewed was in a satellite office as well, so rounding everyone up for immediate feedback would be quite the logistical challenge.
Even when you are the most qualified candidate, sometimes the hiring manager feels more comfortable hiring someone of their same sex and around their age. It goes back to the old boys club and being part of the “tribe.” I’ve only been hired when the hiring manager was a woman. The same old BS for 30 years now. When you ask for feedback, they make up some crap that you can’t refute.😢
Brian was the hiring team that sent the candidate that email. He didn’t show the part where he linked resume rocket fuel😂
Ive had only one specific feedback during a rejection and it was directly from the hiring manager. I thought it was super fair but I can see how one could get triggered by specific constructive criticism if they don't agree with it. Now I'm just happy when I receive even a generic rejection email to close the loop as most applications seem to go into a black hole of doom.
I always say thanks when thet send me MANUALLY TYPED rejection emails. Feels so humane 🥹. Holy crap what dystopia are we living in.
glad its not just me. actually this is a way for me to assess an orgs values and brand. application sent and not even a confirmation? you wont be hearing from me ever again.
Attitude is half the interview process. The way that guy reacted after being rejected already speaks volumes about how he would be after his probationary period. The hiring manager and recruiters did a great job not hiring him. Same goes for the other person in his second example. The sense of entitlement is just ridiculous.
Actually went to work for two different jobs were the person that hired me would publicly read stuff from my resume making fun of it. After those two jobs, I sat down and tried to fix it. It was super difficult to fix on a computer that didn't have the same operating system. Some people are terrible sometimes.
You are absolutely correct when you say we need to be humble. I have been passed over by many companies for a diesel mechanic position because my experience is through my 19 month school. My last 10 years in the military were all senior supervisor positions and that reflects on my resume. I have even interviewed for entry level positions as well. I finally got some feedback from one company and they told me I killed the interview process, but lacked the field experience in an entry level position I had interviewed for 😂. I told them thank you for the feedback. Now I know to articulate that I also know entry level mechanics by doing XYZ for the last 20 years and have formal education and experience in the last 19 months blah blah blah. The good news is that I was emailed with an offer as a Service Writer which is a step up from a Tech I and Tech II diesel mechanic from that very same company. I politely turned down the offer and informed them that I am truly humbled and I appreciate the offer but I need more hands on time with my new career field first.
Thank you for insights in what happens inside the company. Too many candidates forget that while they do need jobs to live, companies need to hire right people to survive. And rejection becomes very perosonal. You can be the best in what you do, but you could end up in the wrong place and waste your own and other people's time. I don't even wait for feedback, I just apply to jobs and choose the right fit for me.
I would love to get the level of feedback in the second example. The closest thing I've ever got to feedback was once being told the candidate who got the job previously worked at a larger company than I did.
This has happened to me two more times since I made this comment. The only feedback I'm getting is that the other candidate worked for a larger company than I previously did. Is this some sort of catch-all fake condolence? It does not feel fair or good. It also does not make much sense from a logical business sense angle.
I personally find actionable feedback to be *the* most valuable commodity in the whole job search process - and why, in its absence, necessary course-corrrection is so difficult.
Recently I got a rejection after the 4th round of interviews. Then I asked them to provide me feedback where I fell short that I'd use as an input to improve. Just for the record I believe that I just nailed all rounds of the application process and my salary requirement was above their budget. Previously I connected to ex-employees for feedback on linkedin just as just suggested in an earlier video, and I learned that they pay below the market. So after this prelude I got some generic BS from the HR person that I knew was not true.
Anyway, the point is when I get a negative feedback I always try to learn from it, and improve.
Great mindset!
Another good lesson is not accepting offers from companies that seem to need more than 2-3 rounds of interviews. They dont know what they want and waste everybodies time
I go through external recruiting companies and it's nice to get some informal verbal feedback. I had comments that employers had doubts about some of the things on my CV.
Highly reluctant is an understatement. I’ve asked numerous recruiters and HR personnel for feedback, and ghosting seemed universal.
That said, things happened during some of those interviews and I thought: Wow, I hope these people reject me. Being rejected means YOU change up your game, keep things professional, and keep interviewing.
Two words: legal trouble. One thing humans are insanely good at is putting our feet in our mouths. One slip-up and the company could find itself in a world of shit. Nobody ever got in trouble for keeping their mouth shut.
The hiring team did an incredible BAD job in that case, its frustrating to know after the interview, to be a good fit for a role, but they basically moved the goal posts.
They did NOT communicate correctly about the requirements of that role. Imagine, you have accumulated a LOT of skills (which most HR have very few of), so many that you only list those that you think matter for that particular role.
If the HR team forgot some important skill again or the department has some new requirements, just shoot the other strong candidates a short email "during our review of the interviews, X came up, how is your experience with X ?
I remember quite recently being annoyed by very weird generic email stating "the job position you applied for is not available" or something very similar to this.
I did email the HR giving feedback that they can change the text a bit because from statement like this, you can't even understand if they have chosen another candidate or they just decided not to hire anyone.
If that happens again I wouldn't send any mails thought, I consider this a mistake on my part.
Great videos! Thank you!
I work as a software engineer and I was told through the recruiter for the position I applied to that they were really interested in my resume and wanted me to video interview straight with the hiring manager.
I was so excited so I over prepared for it. Then the day came as soon as I got on the video the manager but he had a very shocked look on his face he actually like widened his eyes and rolled his head like he must have gotten the wrong person. We proceeded with the interview also there was one member from the team on that interview and it seemed like they were kind of taken aback. They asked me very basic question and told me to tell them about my job history and ask random Easy non technical questions questions about about the industry in general nothing related to the job description. After the interview was over I literally said to myself this was the easiest interview I've ever had in my entire life. I surely thought I landed that job but then a few days later I got a rejection letter. I contacted the recruiter to ask why and she replied that they did not think I was "technical enough and that maybe I should be in project management"
What?! Seriously no leetcode questions no Java questions, no tools, no cloud questions nothing technical it was basically. what is your name? With a look of what are you doing here ?It was a total waste of time and I knew that I was more than capable for that job
Did I mention also that they were hiring a whole team not just one person
Either way I just replied thank you and moved on. This experience just really opened my eyes, you can be qualify for the position and check all the boxes but sometimes people just have their preconceptions or biases and you still won't get the job either way.
I also had a similar interview that started with her rolling her eyes when she saw me and before the conversation even started. Of course i was rejected.
Happened to me too. The hiring manager insisted on seeing me. When I showed up for the interview, the shock on her face was comical. She was extremely hostile and the interview was over in no time. I did not get the job.
interesting. what demographic are you?
Me too! I got headhunted for a coding job and then the potential manager was rude and the feedback I got was like "you never managed, coded, and also did every low and mid-level job in the industry." Obviously an excuse. All I can think of is that potential manager was threatened I had equal experience but had a larger personality (which you need in the job!) or because I am gay? IDK
Having worked at the EEOC for years, this is so spot on
Hi Bryan, can you do a video on some best practices and advice for what to do when in the process of changing jobs? So for example, let's say you accept an offer and you put your 2 weeks notice in for your old job? I might be going through that soon for the first time in a few years where I started my 401k at my current job, so any advice would be appreciated!
UK based so the recruitment process is a bit different but I think the core principles are the same. As a job seeker you need to tailor your CV (Resume) for every role and don't forget your cover letter. Go through the job description thoroughly, pick out those key words & phrases and use them. The author mentioned in previous video's "be more selective in your search". It is tempting to apply for every job vacancy in a 100mile radius and adapt a scattergun approach. Don't do that imho it's a waste of your time and effort. Better to be selective and think. Do I want to spend hours every day commuting to/from work? Think of the cost in fuel/travel/your time. Does the salary, job description & job title make sense? Do I even want to work for that employer or industry? Of course this is all personal needs specific and you may need a job urgently in that case I understand and in the past that was me.
FWIW at the 61yo I start a new job this week after been unemployed since the end of Nov 2022. I spent a month understanding current recruitment practices. A month watching TH-cam videos then I started on my CV (Resume) and quickly realised that my CV will be flexible and adaptable for every job that I would apply for. In reality I only applied for 21 jobs, discounted dozens of others because they were too far away, JD + Job title + salary were garbage. Out if the 21 applications I got ghosted by 11, not selected for interview by 5, 5 interviews and 1 job offer.
I've only ever had feedback from internal interviews but they weren't given easily I had to push. Its worse I think being ghosted after an interview. I can't speak for others but I've made the effort to apply, do the research, dress appropriately for the interview and get there on time. If the recruiter can't even manage a basic "Dear John" email it must speak highly of how they treat customers.
Finally for all viewers of this video. The best of luck in your job search. Learn from all these TH-cam videos they are a great resource.
Depends on the market I think. For my first job a scattergun approach was definitely the way. 3 templates, never write a cover letter, don't spend more than a minute on the application. 20 applications was a complete joke, and you'd soon learn to speed things along.
That said, my skillset is now much more in demand so I'd definitely be picking and choosing now.
Cover Letters aren't really important in the U.S., anymore! They are usually still required by "old-school" thinking companies or "blue chip" companies that were established before or after WW1 or WW2. New school companies don't ask for such obsolete pleasantries and they won't read them, if provided. I've worked for Apple, Inc., Samsung, Google and other big name tech companies, and not once, did I need a cover letter to get in! Then, again, I'm a Software Engineer, so the rules maybe different in other industries? That's why they invented LinkedIn: To go away with the cover letter and jobs objective, since they can access everything they need to know about you, as an employee on their.
I'm surprised people still use cover letters.
@@izamalcadosa2951 Even in the UK I don't know of software companies or really anyone trying to hire programmers expecting a cover letter. It is viewed as pointless and archaic. I don't think anyone really cares whether your CV is customised or generic either. It is also an industry in which it is quite likely your particular set of skills does not exactly match what any particular employer lists in the job specification. The good companies don't expect to find an exact match.
It's so hard to find out what companies want you feel like the intention is to be the crab in the bucket that pulls it's fellow crab to the bottom of the bucket instead of letting it raise. It's really weird that you get concrete tips for how to solve the most obscure exams, but when it comes to "how to qualify for a job" it's complete madness and smokescreen.
nowadays with EDI agendas it's a lot to do with quotas. Middle aged, middle class, white men aren't fashionable at the moment.
I interviewed for the same company twice (via an agency) . First time I didn't get it, which is fine, similar role again, didn't get it, asked for feedback as I thought I did well.' Said I wasn't a french speaker, "I said I know that and YOU know that, it was in my email to you saying I wasn't bi-lingual, why would you put me through to an interview, if you know that being bi-lingual was an absolute must" I seriously let the guy have it, it's the waste of my time, taking time of work as well, lost pay, taking a sickie when I didn't need to. God, can't blame the company, total waste of space recruiter, I mean how do you even mess up something like that.
It is funny now it doesn't go both ways. You turn down a job and they ask you a 1000 questions. Call you constantly to try to talk you into it. It is best to ghost companies like they ghost you. You aren't legally required to tell them you are quitting. Just ghost them. Don't show up.
Everything I’m going to say relates to my experience - your mileage may vary.
In most large corporations interview feedback is useless. They lie. Period.
Why do they lie? Other than reasons discussed in this video, two big reasons are DE&I and lack of leadership.
“Leadership” has devolved into how many hollow buzzwords you can stuff into a word salad because you don’t have a clue about what your subordinates are doing. Most “leadership” in my company consists of 25-40 year olds who have done nothing but go to school and play with spreadsheets. They lack any real knowledge of what a candidate is capable of, so there is nothing they can offer in the form of feedback.
Another lie is “we want someone who is passionate about their work”. No they don’t. Someone who cares a great deal about what they do will inevitably disagree with “leadership”. That is definitely verboten.
The other piece is DE&I. They aren’t going to say “you were a great candidate but we had to hire a certain race, gender, sexual orientation this time”.
If they weren’t engaging in underhanded hiring practices, they would not be afraid of providing honest feedback. It’s all smoke and mirrors.
Agree. Those who shout out the most about equality etc to make their judgement would not require information on your sex, age, race but then you appear for interview in person so they dont have to ask and make the jugement. HR are hypocrits. Cv selection is a blank test all that comes after is "because i feel so" grouded on personal biases.
I was a hiring manager for a retail company no longer existing. If your resume was almost zero effort, I screen past it. An overdone resume also does the same (calligraphy fonts, color, 4page resumes). Impressions are made typically on the first page for me, no matter how many jobs you have listed. How you describe your job duties and how relavent you make it look to me, as the person looking to interview you, gives me the ability to see the skills that fit.
During interviewing, its also about how you dress. I am ok with business casual, but I get so many that come in everyday clothing that I am always skeptical until we get to talking. I can look past clothing if you interview well (answer all my questions and concerns clearly, ask me questions because I believe in we want to be a fit for you just as much as you us, easy to communicate). Piercings on face, tattoos, colored hair, those I can easily look past mostly because I wish I had them and I feel these dont always mark people as unprofessional.
Seems like they just think: job interview is done, so time to move on to the next. No time to waste in providing feedback.
Me and my friend was 17 and we both went and applied at a store, later I found out they hired my friend. I asked why they didn't hire me and they claimed that it was my age. They must have not checked because me and my friend were born on the same day! I didn't care but I thought that was funny. I was young but it did make me realize how much hiring and HR is just a joke. It's gotten worse every company I go to.
HR is useless and harmful to any company in a long run.
That guy sounds like most of my first dates 😅 She does too. Actually, ‘swap the proper nouns’ might be a fun game!
I left a job about 12 years ago and they asked me to fill out a questionnaire about why I left. I politely refused. I knew it could be used against me in the future. All this ghosting by recruiters occurs because people threaten to sue when they don't get the job offer.
not even a "thanks but no thanks"? don't expect me to ever bother you again.
I've disagreed with feedback I've gotten from a few companies who didn't extend an offer, but I've learned to just take my lumps, accept that not every interview is going to be a grand slam, and focus on being better the next time around.
But, any company who tries to give me a "hacker rank" test as part of the interview is an instant pass. Ask me for a git repo showing my work. Have me discuss a project I've worked on and how I solved the problems. Don't make me waste time on a hypothetical that's never going to come up in the role.
Is it just me, or is anyone else thinking of that courtroom scene from A Few Good Men? "I want the truth!" "You can't handle the truth!" 😆
No, because employers can't handle the truth either.
I've had clueless HR screeners and hiring managers. Unfortunately many just have bad judgment. I learned over time that it's just a loss. Even if you do get hired, they have bad judgment on other items as well. It's a loss loss.
I can handle any feedback.. but happy with just a "sorry you have been unsuccessful" if thats the case.. the only thing that really gets my goat is once its gone to interview and they point blank refuse to tell you the outcome. Its incredibly rare.. but I did have one company that didnt get back to me post interview and wouldn't return any of my emails asking for feedback (an interview I felt went quite well).. (not feedback on why I was unsuccessful.. just on whether it was a yes or no). obviously it was a no.. but it felt incredibly rude.. so I went online and let it be known that I felt it unprofessional.
keep it positive folks, consider yourself lucky if an employer takes the time to give you feedback. Keep the emotions in check and ears open. ❤ good luck out there
After the interview from my current job, they straight up told me that I was the best candidate that they’d received, and I got a job offer 3 days later. I’m kinda curious what they said to the other candidates.
It comes down to one thing. Companies are terrified of being sued - that's it. Legal and insurance companies run the show. That it is the long and the short of it. It's sad because that just makes it so that job seekers can't really win or improve at all.
I got a post rejection note nine months late. I told them I could have popped a baby in a woman, watched it being birthed, and changed it's first diaper before you could have gotten back to me.
It’s my experience that no company will give feedback for fear of litigation
Can you do one about why and at what point HR asks for references, what kind of question they may ask these referenced people and maybe also what kind of answers to avoid?
Hello Brian, I just graduated earlier this month and I am now looking for a job. I was offered a temp position for six months working at a insurance agency, the pay isn’t bad at $30/hr but my concern is will working as a temp make it harder when I look for jobs afterwards? My thought process was that it would because employer’s would prefer someone fresh out of college, my resume isn’t exactly perfect haha so I think working there will help me in the future but I wanted to ask your opinion on the matter.
I was once got feedback that I was rejected because I used Axios instead of Fetch in a React take-home coding exercise when it did not specify to use one or the other to make api calls, and this was after I had already invested 2 to 3 hours of time into the interview process and was told when I submitted the coding exercise that it was good.
The applicant's side of things is super underspoken for.
In any position that requires less than 4 years of schooling (something plenty of people just can't afford, and even then in some saturated, yet still educated fields, this is also a problem), it's not uncommon for every single position that an applicant is qualified for, even entry level ones, to instantly reject you based on someone else applying that's just has more years of experience in that field, (or a specialized "automatic hire" trait like manager experience or connections/relations to someone relative power in the company) regardless of effort, time, or willpower put into the application, interviews, and/or cover letter. Some, if not oftentimes it's a foregone conclusion you're not going to get a job before you even type in the first character of your application or cover letter.
Combine this with the fact that some people might not have a support group outside work and might need labor very quickly (especially if they're just out of college, homeowning with a layoff, or medically troubled, because they have debt rushing them) just to live (at least with a roof over their head), and it's a surprise "excessively" negative reactions aren't more common.
Hey Bryan, In the intro to this video one of your titles is missing and a red screen pops up in the middle that says "Media Offline". This is caused by someone placing that title footage somewhere new, or accidentally deleting it. At least that's the case in DaVinci Resolve, which is what I think you're using to edit your videos. See if you (or your editor) can track that title file down and relink it to your video. Or your future videos.
Cheers,
Annika, another film and video editor...
I like the music at the beginning of every video. It’s….very…..interview yy
Don’t focus on being liked by your employer. That is obviously nice and if you can you should. But obviously it’s all about the bottom line with these companies, so your resume and actions should reflect that.
This is just me, I don’t expect everyone to be like this… I prefer the feedback to cut straight to the problem. Most of the feedback from rejected applications I’ve gotten over the years has been generic: “your application/interview was great but this guy over here was just a little bit better”… That’s okay, but doesn’t really help me for the next time. Except this one time, the hiring manager took the time and effort to write me a feedback email that was so lacerating I needed a packet of band aids afterwards. But, I took his points on board, made the necessary adjustments, and was successful on the very next time I applied for a position.
tough love don't mix with snowflakes. it's a shame.
I’ve got a second panel interview in like 3.5 hours and quite nervous about it! The job seems like a great step forward for my career, but I’m concerned that the direct manager hasn’t been in any of the interviews, just more senior department heads? It’s a non profit, so no recruiter, I’ve only been in contact with hr and a few department heads. Is that a red flag that the direct manager hasn’t been in any of the interviews?
I wanted to get your opinion. I interviewed for an internal position within my company about a month ago. The VP of Human Resources took over recruiting for this position since in the middle of my interviewing process the original recruiter went on a month leave. I had an interview with the SVP of the department for the position I applied to and then a second interview with two of his reports. The interview with the SVP went very well and he said in the end that, "I passed his test." Then I interviewed with his two reports and I believe that went well. A month goes by and the position is still posted so I emailed the recruiter and asked if she had received any feedback from the interviewers (just to get some type of response). She emailed me the actual document that the interviewers record their feedback that included not only their feedback on me but another internal candidate. They basically said the same thing about each of us but then I'm thinking, this has to be a violation of some law or policy of some sort. I'd appreciate you're opinion. Thanks
Just get the candidate to sign a waiver to not sue before disclosure of the feedback.
It’s amazing how bad you can be at your job (recruiting) and still get paid. If you were this lackadaisical with your work you’d be gone
Wow. I kind of figured that the pointed feedback was directed to a candidate who was very young and/or has limited job experience.
Begrudgingly, looking from company's point of view, I can understand. Kinda sad on how litigious Americans are, and the West to some extent in general
I have a question for you. Do recruiters have some sort of quota of applicants to fill? I've noticed a trend lately of recruiters reaching out to me out of the blue to setup interviews with their company that wants experience with a specific software tool when I have experience in a different software tool in the same field of work. I've accepted a couple of them knowing it was a No from the start most likely. I've asked for feedback after the rejection email and never received a reply to them, which I find very odd given that I already know so it was kind of a softball question that would let me fine-tune my details if there was anything else.
So I can only assume there must be some required pool to fill or they're just a company with bad communication.
I got rejected so just assumed I wasn’t a good fit. I’ve been rejected maybe twice in twenty years. No sweat. Then they wanted to give feedback anyway. Short version I was too expensive and didn’t sound like I wanted to be there. I’m a traveler. I’m brought in to fill holes for short terms. Twenty years experience, I don’t have many questions about the job, just how they do the work. I don’t need feedback
In my 25+ years in Corporate Amerika, I have never gotten feedback from either employers or recruiters. Never.
In the fashion industry it's pretty common for companies to ghost applicants rather than closing the loop. Even after an in person interview.
It’s common everywhere, unfortunately.
I understand that giving feedback brings a lot of room for liabilities. One example of a reason people get rejected in an interview process just because the interviewer doesn’t like the person’s personality. And that’s a totally valid reason, if you think… I mean… you want to hire people who has a personality that matches yours. Of course you can’t say in the feedback “I didn’t like your personality”, but you can feedback “look, we saw a misalignment with our culture”… anyways… there’re ways to bring feedback with no risk for liability. But… some companies don’t want to spend the time giving feedback, since it has to be something reviewed (again, to avoid any chance of liability).
Btw, I remember when I interviewed with google. They were clear from the very beginning that after getting a rejection at any step of the process, they were unable to provide detailed feedback. That’s how life works…
Last time I was looking I got rejected, and received feedback. I disagreed with some of it, some of it totally valid, but it is so easy, especially over a text based medium, to just say a generic "Thank you for your feedback".
After you finished your interview and sent the thank you email, forget about that job and just keep applying for work.
I personally prefer being ghosted. Feedback can come off as condescending and puts me in a bad mood.
I'd have to agree - never stop applying until you have a verified offer in hand.
@@ALifeAfterLayoff Even after I accept an offer I say keep looking; you never know when you uncover an even better opportunity. Plus, it doesn't take me very long to know if I can see myself at this job on day 91.
I don't think the feedback was harsh; it was very clarifying and helpful. The applicant on the other hand responded petty while accusing the other person of pettiness.
You mentioned that person's resume had nothing to do with social media stuff and you would have dismissed it right away... Riddle me this..how does a person gain experience when companies refuse to even consider hiring someone so they can learn and gain that experience???!!!!! And then wonder why there isn't a larger pool of available workers for that position!!!
this is why if I get rejected I move on I've asked recruiters why I wasn't chosen they simply already had a candidate but we're just interviewing to have more options.
It's hard to say if it was an entry-level position or not since we didn't see the job posting. I've made other videos on how to get jobs with no experience.
What’s most infuriating is unpaid internships not offering a reference. How is a student going to get their first job if they can’t even use their internship??? 🙄🤦🏻♀️🤔🤷🏻♀️