Yeah, that's what i find so special about Guthrie. Not only is he one of the best guitarists alive, he's a really good teacher too. He's full of wisdom.
I have been noodling for far too long. I'm hooked on that zone of accidental discovery. The more you put in the more rewarding it feels. No songs are completed. I'm in a rut and appreciate the reminder about simply having a goal.
These points are all so wise and spot on. Unfortunately they are a lot easier said than done though. But so spot on. I very much play scales top to bottom and am controlled by the safety net, but changing that habit is almost like altering your entire personality, since its something I find comfortable and enjoyable you really have to conciously push and it's easy to become lost. From the "personality" point of view - theres a lot of styles techniques and scales which dont really interest me or I cant imagine a good use of them. This makes it twice as hard for me to learn them personally since it's like forcing something you aren't enjoying. I feel like Guthrie genuinely enjoys the full musical "pallete" which is why he excels in so many areas where most people stick to the more refined sounds they love. He loves it all genuinely
Yeah, there's definitely a distinction between simple and easy here. All the points in the video are very simple, but they aren't necessarily easy to implement or practice.
That's right, nothing beats putting in hours upon hours of playing. I hadn't heard of these players before because I'm more of a metal guy myself but damn do they rip! Thanks for letting me know about them.
You can work as hard as possible and not get anywhere. You have to have the ability to gain the insight based on your work and actually recognize and fix the problems, which in turn will allow you to keep getting better. Not everyone has that skill and it's more difficult to develop than just throwing infinite amount of time at something.
Such a mature breakdown of a great artist by a "lad" that makes me feel like a dinosaur. Lol. You've broke him down so well, I'm gonna be watching this for monyhs
Guthrie is essentially the world's best session musician at this point. He hasn't really put in the time to find a greater artistic vision ala Holdsworth or John McLaughlin but I still love erotic cakes, though it's far from my favourite guitar centric album
Yeah, that's one thing I wish he was better at. It's no secret that he's a virtuoso, but I think he'd be held in even higher regards if he was more prolific.
The difference between guthrie or jazz musicians and me is that they play tension and resolution notes on purpose where I play the tension and resolution notes but only the resolution ones are on purpose. 🤡
From the very DAY the "guitar" was invented - and Ingve Malmsteen has said this a million times since the 1980s - there is only one way to achieve "genius-level" playing: PRACTICE! Watching all the "how-to" and "demonstration" videos in the known universe will not improve your playing IF YOU DON'T PUT IN HOURS & HOURS OF PRACTICE THAT IS NEEDED TO ACHEIVE YOUR GOAL! The aforementioned Ingve M. made the commitment to put in 8 HOURS A DAY (for years!) practicing his guitar until he was satisfied with his chops; you figure it out. TALENT is overrated, but PRACTICE MAKES PERFECT!
From his comments about "headroom", it's scary that Guthrie was basically implying that he has another level above what we hear from him that he never uses.
It would be absolutely terrifying! I imagine it'd be some Shawn Lane type stuff where it's so fast you can't really pick out every note but every idea would still sound incredible if it was slowed down.
He mastered the guitar, amazing guitar player, but for me his music is not something special. It's a shame he didn't collaborate with more talented artists like SW who could showcase his talent.
That's fair, I personally love his work with The Aristocrats and Erotic Cakes but to each their own. If you haven't already checked some of his stuff with Hans Zimmer, I'd urge you to give it a look. You might find more of the vibe you're looking for there. It would be awesome to see him do some higher profile collaborations though, he still seems to me like the guitar world's best kept secret - that he doesn't get the credit he deserves from non-musicians.
@@stevetorster yes, Man of steel was amazing too, mr. Becker's River of Longin also...so, it's clear, he needs a real song writter and he will do a wonderful job!
@spectacularspectacular1856 he is one of them, of course. But I don't like very much his music, maybe few songs. I don't feel that need to listen his music. For me GH's "Introspection" is way better than "Erotic cakes" or any of The aristocrats.
I don't think there's anything wrong with that. I can only think of three players that have changed the guitar landscape drastically in the last 50 or so years: Jimi Hendrix, EVH and Tosin Abasi. There's only one of these types of players per generation, but I don't think that renders every other player useless or that their music is less valid.
@@stevetorster Tosin Abasi? What of special he did? Sorry, don't really know him, just listened few things including that jam with Guthrie that he looked so impressed
@@pedrogabrielsalviano For the last 10 or so years he's been on this insane trajectory of pushing guitar forward. He was one of the first 8 string players to really use the full range of the instrument, not just the low strings. If you want to see some examples of the techniques he's invented/ popularised look up videos of 'selective picking' and 'thumping'. Along with his band Animals As Leaders they're pushing boundaries in prog metal. A lot of their music is really complex both rhythmically and harmonically while still being palatable (this is less true in their first few releases IMO). If you want to check them out, their Live in Anaheim videos are a good place to start.
I guess the X factor in any given person's progress is passion, some people find it easy to sit and play for 8 hours a day and still want more while others are happy with a 15 minute jam. Neither is inherently better. I think that having fun with the instrument is paramount. So as long as it brings you joy, you're a successful musician in my eyes.
I can see how you would come to that conclusion if you've only watched his solo compilations. I'd urge you to delve a little deeper into his catalogue. The guy is dripping with feel, he's the exact opposite of a one-trick pony.
This is the problem is there seems to be no end in site with people worrying about technique. I just know as an older fella i dont want to hear Guthrie or Plini nad these bands even though i wish i could play like that and i respect the heck out of it ITDOES NOT MOVE ME. I grew upo on Maiden and Metalica and that stuff really made me feel something. Tell me something to listen to cause i want to be excited about this new stuff. Maybe im just not hearing the right songs. I remember Primus was the beginning of crazy slap and i grew up the Bay Area and saw that and it was ground breaking,. But it was kinda a fad and Primus was listened heavily for only a few years back then. Is this going to change music or is it kind of a fad of sort? If it gets any more technical we throw away humans and get robots. I guess when Plini or AAL writes a song that moves one in the way say Stairway to Heaven does then ill become a huge fan. Maybe im missing something.
I admire that even though you haven't found something that moves you, you're still searching. I suppose it all comes down to personal taste, and nothing will ever move you quite like the stuff you were reared on. As far as recommendations I'd be hard pressed to recommend you better musicians than the ones you've already said. 'Last Orders' by The Aristocrats is about as moving as I've heard Guthrie play. 'The Woven Web' by AAL has some really beautiful stuff in the intro. 'Paper Moon' by Plini is really cool too. All of that being said, I don't think these songs have to connect with you at the level that Metallica or Maiden does for you. I know that whatever music that comes out in 20 years won't mean as much to me as the music that I'm growing up on right now. You've already found the music that moves you, anything else is a bonus. Also, have you gotten into Meshuggah? The ending of Straws Pulled At Random is really moving and I think they've got the best stage presence of any band today.
@@stevetorster Hey appreciate the comment and yes it comes down to taste. If i was a little more talented and intelligent maybe i could make the music i would like to hear. Stanley Jprdan made me decide to stop tapping and being technical when he played Stairway to Heaven all parts and it was an amzing feat 30 years ago. Remember many people think they can play Stairway to Heaven or Comfortably numb but i still cant do those solos right with the right feel in my own way. My friends are like youve mastered that stuff but it still doesnt sound right to me when i try to get the feel of a solo like Stairway to heaven . I cringe when i hear you tubers play those solos. So i dont know what progress in music is but i guess Steven Wilson is writing some interesting stuff but it doesnt really hit the spot. Of course this is just my opinion and maybe new stuff is coming soon and the code will be cracked. Too much focus on perfection though in todays world abd bot on feel and soul in the solos. Kirk Hammet has a lot of feel in Face to Black and its well thought out. Who knows my man but thanjks for the comment and ill give those recs a spin. Also i dont think i have any answers but i think songs are being neglected for technique.
No worries man. Stanley Jordan was ahead of his time by a long shot. I know what you mean when you say there's too much of a focus on technique and not enough on writing songs but I think that it's a pendulum that swings back and forth. The norm in the 80s was technical music, then in the 90s and the 2000s it swung towards songwriting over technique and now it's back to technique. Plus, most metal bands follow the trajectory of being really technical and flashy but lacking maturity in their songwriting until later releases. I'd say this is as true in the 80s and 90s as it is today, the technique is just presented differently. But wherever the pendulum is, there's good music to be found. Sometimes it just takes a bit of digging, hey?
@@stevetorster Well i like it better then just the grunge because to me that was lacking and didnt have any solos or not very good ones imo. Ill leave to the youth and ill support you guys any way i can and my comments are in hopes of opening minds but in no way do i think i have answers lol Also i think production is way over used and with as good as players are becoming, they dont need it.Just get mics and a 24 tracks and go lol Maybe thats what is missing lol. If youth is becoming so perfect then pro tools and computers arent needed. Also when humans lock in on groove it sounds way better than a grid. Thats a whole nother topic though. I think im going to quit playing and go to production school. Im sore and tired of being hunched over an instrument. Im going to now enter production and study theory and arrangement and sound design. I have a great face for production now lol Well hell im rambling thanks for the great comments ill sub and maybe ill see you on down the road figuratively speaking lol Thanks for not taking like im a bitter old dude just jealous cause i think the stuff is great now just something m,issing maybe its just me and im old lol
@@thedude-jb7wx Haha, I've thoroughly enjoyed this conversation. It's always great to hear another perspective. I admire that you're keeping your ears to the ground and still trying to find some new tunes. I appreciate the support, take care mate!
@@stevetorster ... Coupled with that alien talent. I can put in all the time in the world (barely ever play anymore) for 3 life times and could NEVER catch up to a "rare" talent like GG.
@@kojam1 I think that talent is overstated in terms of why a player is as good as they are. Of course Guthrie is in the top 0.1% of guitar players when you factor in that he's been playing since the age of 3 and he's likely put 20,000+ hours in since then. I think that what you practice is just as important as how long you practice and Guthrie seems to have a good knack for optimising both of those factors.
@@stevetorster I hear u, but how do explain those little 6yr olds who can play pieces by guys like Paul Gilbert etc, after they've only been playing for 6months. TH-cam is full of such kids. They certainly don't have 20000+ hours of practice behind them. I know it's one thing to be able to create vs being able to emulate, but those kids are born with alien DNA "talent".
@@kojam1 I'd agree to an extent that those kids have a higher baseline 'talent' than others but they have a few distinct advantages. They clearly have parents who are nurturing their talent to allow it to flourish, they have better resources to learn from with the internet & tutors and younger brains are better at learning. It's a perfect storm really, if anyone of these things were missing (support to grow unhindered, resources to learn, and the neuroplasticity of a developing child) it would require a lot more legwork to reach their level. All of these things factor into their virtuosic ability but don't discount the fact that it still takes hundreds if not a few thousand hours to reach their level, which they no doubt would have put in (hopefully by their own accord and not because their parents forced them to). No matter how high or low your baseline, you can always improve because the determining factor in success is practice.
@@chrispage2782 We all have different interpretations of what it means to master an instrument. I'm sure he'd deny it because you don't get to his level without being incredibly self critical. But if anyone is worthy of being called a master, it's him.
I'm pretty sure GG can play anything he hears, whether it's in his head or on a recording. I honestly believe he's not limited in any way on expressing any musical ideas he may have. I'd call that mastery.
There are more than two variables between us normal people and Guthrie. One is IQ. I wouldn’t be shocked to learn he was 130 or higher. He’s probably in the 95th percentile of humans. He would have been successful in any enterprise.
Yes, clearly he's brilliant. But I think IQ and the ability to learn isn't fixed and as far as practicing goes, the more quality practice you put in, the better you get at the instrument (obviously) and practice itself. If you think that IQ and learning ability is fixed, then the only two things in your control are the time you put in and the quality of your practice.
@@stevetorster IQ and learning is fixed as far as if you’re an average 100 IQ dude, no amount of practice and learning is going to bring you up to a 130 IQ Guthrie type freak. I agree most people can become really really good with a lot of practice. But Guthrie is a musical phenomenon where all of the stars aligned as far as intelligence, upbringing, strength, dexterity, etc. I do believe these tips will help someone improve. They just won’t become Gutherie lol and people should understand that.
@@stevetorster I never said he's not a great guitarist.. I said he is definitely not one of the greatest.. not even close. and much less a genius.. If you play an instrument you have to give something in terms of music and he never did.. not a single song/composition/ arpeggio/ riff/ or memorable solo.. plus this genre of music is dead and only a real genius could stir things a little bit and not necessarily will we see one..
Have you listened to any of The Aristocrats or Erotic Waves? There's some pretty iconic and/or musical stuff on those albums. And without ruffling too many feathers, I think that the whole "the genre is dead" take isn't true at all and is pretty lazy. There's always so much to be found, maybe you've got to search for it more than in the past but it's still there. Of course, if you're searching for a carbon copy of another band, you won't find it because music evolves. Maybe the type of music you're searching for can't be found today because it's not your scene, but I think you'd be hard-pressed to find a more versatile/well-rounded guitar player than Guthrie. There's something to be said about him not being as prolific as a writer as other guitarists but I haven't found someone whose technical ability AND writing are on par or greater than Guthrie's.
@@stevetorster I'm not looking for a carbon copy quite the opposite.. that is what you don't understand... stuff like govan's IS carbon copy of stuff that has been donne million times before but with less quality and creativity.. he's not even close to the likes of metheny holdsworth van halen vai and company not even close.. but if you want to defend your hero go right ahead man,, reality won't change.. this way of playing scales solos and shit is dead.. only a completely new approach would change something and it won't be a guy who is almost 50.. I did listen to the aristocrats that is why I'm talking.. I don't talk if I don't know.. I alredy mentioned tracks like slippery little thing on another comment.. now you are telling that is a composition worth of a genius? come on man..
@@milanforever7014 watch his JTC improvs, zimmer work, aristocrats improvs. He is a genius improviser. Go watch the video with petrucci and andy james being awe of guthries improv on stage :D I love all but guthrie improv is on a different level from a lot of people. But i dont think guthrie would like us to compare, his improvs are something to die for imho, and i love listening to him.
Guthrie is extremely intelligent and his interviews are always filled with great insights about guitar playing
Yeah, that's what i find so special about Guthrie. Not only is he one of the best guitarists alive, he's a really good teacher too. He's full of wisdom.
Ever watched his series of lessons on string bending.... Its like a 5 episodes all on how to bend.... Its unbelievable.
@@DevilsAvocado69 he's insane, such a great series.
I have been noodling for far too long. I'm hooked on that zone of accidental discovery. The more you put in the more rewarding it feels. No songs are completed. I'm in a rut and appreciate the reminder about simply having a goal.
I'm glad I could help :))
@origindirewolf enlighten us sir
Love the remix of waves in the background!
That's so chill...
What's the name of the remix?
Thankyou FishForce!
@@asel_ga I made the remix myself so it can't be found anywhere online unfortunately.
Keep up the great work man! I love how you took all the information from all the Guthrie videos to come out with set concepts and advice.
Thanks, Cosmo! There'll be more of this to come very soon with different players.
MAKING THE MOST OUT OF SCALES is what every IG guitarist should think about. The difference between 80's guitarists and guitarists nowadays.
100%, there's really no limit to what any given scale can do or sound like if the player has spent enough time with it.
This is a great video, you've summed up a ton of good stuff of his philosophy in a really digestible watch - nice work!
Thanks, Jay! That was my goal, I'm glad you like it.
These points are all so wise and spot on. Unfortunately they are a lot easier said than done though. But so spot on. I very much play scales top to bottom and am controlled by the safety net, but changing that habit is almost like altering your entire personality, since its something I find comfortable and enjoyable you really have to conciously push and it's easy to become lost.
From the "personality" point of view - theres a lot of styles techniques and scales which dont really interest me or I cant imagine a good use of them. This makes it twice as hard for me to learn them personally since it's like forcing something you aren't enjoying. I feel like Guthrie genuinely enjoys the full musical "pallete" which is why he excels in so many areas where most people stick to the more refined sounds they love. He loves it all genuinely
Yeah, there's definitely a distinction between simple and easy here. All the points in the video are very simple, but they aren't necessarily easy to implement or practice.
your video showed up on my suggested! the algorithim BLESSES YOU
That's awesome! I appreciate you stopping by!
Great video; great attitude
Thank you, I'm glad you enjoyed it!
Great vid, many thanks 👍🏻
Thanks for checking it out Ian, I'm glad you like it!
Very very well made video. I look farward to more!
Thankyou, there's another one on the way!
Great job, Young Man! Good observations and compilation. Very useful and comprehensive.💪🏾✌🏾
Thanks so much! I'm glad you found value in this :)
I love your video man. And you present your ideas like a switched on 40 old. Very clever and intuitive young fella. Peace out 🤙
Thank you for those kind words, I really appreciate it!
This is produced really well. Good Work and you have a good future with this. :)
Thank you so much, Frank! I appreciate your kind words!
Educative material!
Thanks Souvik, I'm glad you liked it!
Govan mastered the guitar the exact same way that Jake Workman and Scotty Anderson did! Hard Work and dedication!
It works every time it’s tried!!!
That's right, nothing beats putting in hours upon hours of playing. I hadn't heard of these players before because I'm more of a metal guy myself but damn do they rip! Thanks for letting me know about them.
You can work as hard as possible and not get anywhere. You have to have the ability to gain the insight based on your work and actually recognize and fix the problems, which in turn will allow you to keep getting better. Not everyone has that skill and it's more difficult to develop than just throwing infinite amount of time at something.
@@NowakP So true, I think that part is crucial.
@@NowakP
Exactly, that’s why it’s rather wise to never be above correction. The biggest room in the world is the room for improvement! 🎸🎸🎸🎸
good luck with that if you have adhd
Sound advice thanks for posting
Thanks Richard, I'm glad you liked it!
The 🐐
Thanks for distilling this wisdom - very useful! (Now I just have to get down and do it)
No worries Dean! I'm glad you found it useful :)
Good, keep up the good work. Subscribed!
Thanks Funkleberry Finn! I love your username!
Extremely well put together video. Good work
Thank you so much Michael!
Such a mature breakdown of a great artist by a "lad" that makes me feel like a dinosaur. Lol.
You've broke him down so well, I'm gonna be watching this for monyhs
Haha, thank you DARRBEV!
Guthrie is essentially the world's best session musician at this point. He hasn't really put in the time to find a greater artistic vision ala Holdsworth or John McLaughlin but I still love erotic cakes, though it's far from my favourite guitar centric album
Yeah, that's one thing I wish he was better at. It's no secret that he's a virtuoso, but I think he'd be held in even higher regards if he was more prolific.
Guthrie "Gazebo" Govan
The difference between guthrie or jazz musicians and me is that they play tension and resolution notes on purpose where I play the tension and resolution notes but only the resolution ones are on purpose. 🤡
From the very DAY the "guitar" was invented - and Ingve Malmsteen has said this a million times since the 1980s - there is only one way to achieve "genius-level" playing: PRACTICE! Watching all the "how-to" and "demonstration" videos in the known universe will not improve your playing IF YOU DON'T PUT IN HOURS & HOURS OF PRACTICE THAT IS NEEDED TO ACHEIVE YOUR GOAL! The aforementioned Ingve M. made the commitment to put in 8 HOURS A DAY (for years!) practicing his guitar until he was satisfied with his chops; you figure it out. TALENT is overrated, but PRACTICE MAKES PERFECT!
I agree completely.
@0:47 "Alot" is actually two different words. Kinda' like saying "Aseveral".
Oops! I always forget that haha, autocorrect usually sorts that out for me.
Bg music is so wavy
From his comments about "headroom", it's scary that Guthrie was basically implying that he has another level above what we hear from him that he never uses.
Right?! We're not worthy.
For sure!! imagine his version of stuff that " i can't play this conssitent yet" like..something that would take him 250 tries to record, imagine xd
G,G, is the master.
Yes, he really is.
Hmmm Govan signature models.
they're gorgeous guitars, hey?
great work!
Thanks Rob!
I can't imagine what Guthrie's "extra gear" would sound like.
It would be absolutely terrifying! I imagine it'd be some Shawn Lane type stuff where it's so fast you can't really pick out every note but every idea would still sound incredible if it was slowed down.
GREAT VIDEO BRO... YOU'VE EARNED MY SUB...
Thanks mate, I really appreciate it!
nice video man!
Thanks, Mike!
I think the superlative words like 'genius' get thrown around a lot, so I've run out of things to call Mr Govan.
Haha, so true!
Whos that Gandalf geezer?
A wise wizard.
Charvel Guthrie Govan
the waves background music is nice 😂
thanks man!
At 5:43 did he just say "this isn't even my final form yet"? Is there a gear that Guthrie has never shown us???
a truly terrifying thought.
Nice video! 🧸
Thank you, Ste! Glad you enjoyed it!
Hmm, if Sean Connery was a guitar Wiz...
gandalf*
I was about to subscribe until I saw your sweatshirt
Not a fan of Periphery?
@stevetorster lmao, you know it struck me just now reading the name again, I had them mixed up with polyphia. I don't like Polyphia lol
ah okay, to each their own
I'd be a bit silly not liking this. 👍
Thanks so much Winston, I appreciate the love!
He mastered the guitar, amazing guitar player, but for me his music is not something special. It's a shame he didn't collaborate with more talented artists like SW who could showcase his talent.
That's fair, I personally love his work with The Aristocrats and Erotic Cakes but to each their own. If you haven't already checked some of his stuff with Hans Zimmer, I'd urge you to give it a look. You might find more of the vibe you're looking for there. It would be awesome to see him do some higher profile collaborations though, he still seems to me like the guitar world's best kept secret - that he doesn't get the credit he deserves from non-musicians.
@@stevetorster yes, Man of steel was amazing too, mr. Becker's River of Longin also...so, it's clear, he needs a real song writter and he will do a wonderful job!
@@stevetorster Well said
@spectacularspectacular1856 David Gilmour, Dream Theater, Marco Sfogly....there are many others but in fusion I like the most Greg Howe.
@spectacularspectacular1856 he is one of them, of course. But I don't like very much his music, maybe few songs. I don't feel that need to listen his music. For me GH's "Introspection" is way better than "Erotic cakes" or any of The aristocrats.
Technically he’s amazing but he hasn’t brought anything new to the table?
I don't think there's anything wrong with that. I can only think of three players that have changed the guitar landscape drastically in the last 50 or so years: Jimi Hendrix, EVH and Tosin Abasi. There's only one of these types of players per generation, but I don't think that renders every other player useless or that their music is less valid.
@@stevetorster Tosin Abasi? What of special he did? Sorry, don't really know him, just listened few things including that jam with Guthrie that he looked so impressed
@@pedrogabrielsalviano For the last 10 or so years he's been on this insane trajectory of pushing guitar forward. He was one of the first 8 string players to really use the full range of the instrument, not just the low strings. If you want to see some examples of the techniques he's invented/ popularised look up videos of 'selective picking' and 'thumping'. Along with his band Animals As Leaders they're pushing boundaries in prog metal. A lot of their music is really complex both rhythmically and harmonically while still being palatable (this is less true in their first few releases IMO). If you want to check them out, their Live in Anaheim videos are a good place to start.
@@stevetorster thank you
@@pedrogabrielsalviano no worries mate :)
nice, but if you don't have the music in you, it ain't gonna happen.
I guess the X factor in any given person's progress is passion, some people find it easy to sit and play for 8 hours a day and still want more while others are happy with a 15 minute jam. Neither is inherently better. I think that having fun with the instrument is paramount. So as long as it brings you joy, you're a successful musician in my eyes.
Govan has great physical ability, but there is no musicality in his acrobatics. The only interest his game has is zero.
I can see how you would come to that conclusion if you've only watched his solo compilations. I'd urge you to delve a little deeper into his catalogue. The guy is dripping with feel, he's the exact opposite of a one-trick pony.
@@stevetorster dude his music is irrelevant.. tracks like slippery little thing are good for background in porn movies ahahaahahhaahha
This is the problem is there seems to be no end in site with people worrying about technique. I just know as an older fella i dont want to hear Guthrie or Plini nad these bands even though i wish i could play like that and i respect the heck out of it ITDOES NOT MOVE ME. I grew upo on Maiden and Metalica and that stuff really made me feel something. Tell me something to listen to cause i want to be excited about this new stuff. Maybe im just not hearing the right songs. I remember Primus was the beginning of crazy slap and i grew up the Bay Area and saw that and it was ground breaking,. But it was kinda a fad and Primus was listened heavily for only a few years back then. Is this going to change music or is it kind of a fad of sort? If it gets any more technical we throw away humans and get robots. I guess when Plini or AAL writes a song that moves one in the way say Stairway to Heaven does then ill become a huge fan. Maybe im missing something.
I admire that even though you haven't found something that moves you, you're still searching. I suppose it all comes down to personal taste, and nothing will ever move you quite like the stuff you were reared on. As far as recommendations I'd be hard pressed to recommend you better musicians than the ones you've already said. 'Last Orders' by The Aristocrats is about as moving as I've heard Guthrie play. 'The Woven Web' by AAL has some really beautiful stuff in the intro. 'Paper Moon' by Plini is really cool too. All of that being said, I don't think these songs have to connect with you at the level that Metallica or Maiden does for you. I know that whatever music that comes out in 20 years won't mean as much to me as the music that I'm growing up on right now. You've already found the music that moves you, anything else is a bonus. Also, have you gotten into Meshuggah? The ending of Straws Pulled At Random is really moving and I think they've got the best stage presence of any band today.
@@stevetorster Hey appreciate the comment and yes it comes down to taste. If i was a little more talented and intelligent maybe i could make the music i would like to hear. Stanley Jprdan made me decide to stop tapping and being technical when he played Stairway to Heaven all parts and it was an amzing feat 30 years ago. Remember many people think they can play Stairway to Heaven or Comfortably numb but i still cant do those solos right with the right feel in my own way. My friends are like youve mastered that stuff but it still doesnt sound right to me when i try to get the feel of a solo like Stairway to heaven . I cringe when i hear you tubers play those solos. So i dont know what progress in music is but i guess Steven Wilson is writing some interesting stuff but it doesnt really hit the spot. Of course this is just my opinion and maybe new stuff is coming soon and the code will be cracked. Too much focus on perfection though in todays world abd bot on feel and soul in the solos. Kirk Hammet has a lot of feel in Face to Black and its well thought out. Who knows my man but thanjks for the comment and ill give those recs a spin. Also i dont think i have any answers but i think songs are being neglected for technique.
No worries man. Stanley Jordan was ahead of his time by a long shot. I know what you mean when you say there's too much of a focus on technique and not enough on writing songs but I think that it's a pendulum that swings back and forth. The norm in the 80s was technical music, then in the 90s and the 2000s it swung towards songwriting over technique and now it's back to technique. Plus, most metal bands follow the trajectory of being really technical and flashy but lacking maturity in their songwriting until later releases. I'd say this is as true in the 80s and 90s as it is today, the technique is just presented differently. But wherever the pendulum is, there's good music to be found. Sometimes it just takes a bit of digging, hey?
@@stevetorster Well i like it better then just the grunge because to me that was lacking and didnt have any solos or not very good ones imo. Ill leave to the youth and ill support you guys any way i can and my comments are in hopes of opening minds but in no way do i think i have answers lol Also i think production is way over used and with as good as players are becoming, they dont need it.Just get mics and a 24 tracks and go lol Maybe thats what is missing lol. If youth is becoming so perfect then pro tools and computers arent needed. Also when humans lock in on groove it sounds way better than a grid. Thats a whole nother topic though. I think im going to quit playing and go to production school. Im sore and tired of being hunched over an instrument. Im going to now enter production and study theory and arrangement and sound design. I have a great face for production now lol Well hell im rambling thanks for the great comments ill sub and maybe ill see you on down the road figuratively speaking lol Thanks for not taking like im a bitter old dude just jealous cause i think the stuff is great now just something m,issing maybe its just me and im old lol
@@thedude-jb7wx Haha, I've thoroughly enjoyed this conversation. It's always great to hear another perspective. I admire that you're keeping your ears to the ground and still trying to find some new tunes. I appreciate the support, take care mate!
Sounds good, but without the unnatural God given TALENT... Well, g'luck
Talent only gets you so far, it's the time and practice you put in that makes all the difference.
@@stevetorster ... Coupled with that alien talent. I can put in all the time in the world (barely ever play anymore) for 3 life times and could NEVER catch up to a "rare" talent like GG.
@@kojam1 I think that talent is overstated in terms of why a player is as good as they are. Of course Guthrie is in the top 0.1% of guitar players when you factor in that he's been playing since the age of 3 and he's likely put 20,000+ hours in since then. I think that what you practice is just as important as how long you practice and Guthrie seems to have a good knack for optimising both of those factors.
@@stevetorster I hear u, but how do explain those little 6yr olds who can play pieces by guys like Paul Gilbert etc, after they've only been playing for 6months. TH-cam is full of such kids. They certainly don't have 20000+ hours of practice behind them. I know it's one thing to be able to create vs being able to emulate, but those kids are born with alien DNA "talent".
@@kojam1 I'd agree to an extent that those kids have a higher baseline 'talent' than others but they have a few distinct advantages. They clearly have parents who are nurturing their talent to allow it to flourish, they have better resources to learn from with the internet & tutors and younger brains are better at learning. It's a perfect storm really, if anyone of these things were missing (support to grow unhindered, resources to learn, and the neuroplasticity of a developing child) it would require a lot more legwork to reach their level. All of these things factor into their virtuosic ability but don't discount the fact that it still takes hundreds if not a few thousand hours to reach their level, which they no doubt would have put in (hopefully by their own accord and not because their parents forced them to). No matter how high or low your baseline, you can always improve because the determining factor in success is practice.
“Mastered the guitar”?? uh….hardly.
He's one of the most versatile guitarists alive. Who would you say?
“versatile”? yes. The comment was that he “mastered the guitar.”. He’d even deny this…
@@chrispage2782 We all have different interpretations of what it means to master an instrument. I'm sure he'd deny it because you don't get to his level without being incredibly self critical. But if anyone is worthy of being called a master, it's him.
I disagree, but each his own; thanks for the comments.
I'm pretty sure GG can play anything he hears, whether it's in his head or on a recording. I honestly believe he's not limited in any way on expressing any musical ideas he may have. I'd call that mastery.
worst beard and teeth in the game though.
I fail to see what that has to do with him as a guitar player.
just makes me not want to look at him while he's playing@@stevetorster
There are more than two variables between us normal people and Guthrie. One is IQ. I wouldn’t be shocked to learn he was 130 or higher. He’s probably in the 95th percentile of humans. He would have been successful in any enterprise.
Yes, clearly he's brilliant. But I think IQ and the ability to learn isn't fixed and as far as practicing goes, the more quality practice you put in, the better you get at the instrument (obviously) and practice itself. If you think that IQ and learning ability is fixed, then the only two things in your control are the time you put in and the quality of your practice.
@@stevetorster IQ and learning is fixed as far as if you’re an average 100 IQ dude, no amount of practice and learning is going to bring you up to a 130 IQ Guthrie type freak.
I agree most people can become really really good with a lot of practice. But Guthrie is a musical phenomenon where all of the stars aligned as far as intelligence, upbringing, strength, dexterity, etc.
I do believe these tips will help someone improve. They just won’t become Gutherie lol and people should understand that.
Yeah, I completely agree.
govan is not even close to be one the gretatest guitarists of all time.. and he's not a genius... facts
You don't have to like him to acknowledge that he's an absolute monster of a player.
@@stevetorster I never said he's not a great guitarist.. I said he is definitely not one of the greatest.. not even close. and much less a genius.. If you play an instrument you have to give something in terms of music and he never did.. not a single song/composition/ arpeggio/ riff/ or memorable solo.. plus this genre of music is dead and only a real genius could stir things a little bit and not necessarily will we see one..
Have you listened to any of The Aristocrats or Erotic Waves? There's some pretty iconic and/or musical stuff on those albums. And without ruffling too many feathers, I think that the whole "the genre is dead" take isn't true at all and is pretty lazy. There's always so much to be found, maybe you've got to search for it more than in the past but it's still there. Of course, if you're searching for a carbon copy of another band, you won't find it because music evolves. Maybe the type of music you're searching for can't be found today because it's not your scene, but I think you'd be hard-pressed to find a more versatile/well-rounded guitar player than Guthrie. There's something to be said about him not being as prolific as a writer as other guitarists but I haven't found someone whose technical ability AND writing are on par or greater than Guthrie's.
@@stevetorster I'm not looking for a carbon copy quite the opposite.. that is what you don't understand... stuff like govan's IS carbon copy of stuff that has been donne million times before but with less quality and creativity.. he's not even close to the likes of metheny holdsworth van halen vai and company not even close.. but if you want to defend your hero go right ahead man,, reality won't change.. this way of playing scales solos and shit is dead.. only a completely new approach would change something and it won't be a guy who is almost 50.. I did listen to the aristocrats that is why I'm talking.. I don't talk if I don't know.. I alredy mentioned tracks like slippery little thing on another comment.. now you are telling that is a composition worth of a genius? come on man..
@@milanforever7014 watch his JTC improvs, zimmer work, aristocrats improvs. He is a genius improviser. Go watch the video with petrucci and andy james being awe of guthries improv on stage :D I love all but guthrie improv is on a different level from a lot of people. But i dont think guthrie would like us to compare, his improvs are something to die for imho, and i love listening to him.