First of all, thank you @Dorico for watching my video! I tried your solution with the caret, but it only works if you enter a hairpin AND a dynamic. For example:
@@andresmontero88 I think if you enter the hairpin, and then hit the spacebar, the hairpin will lengthen. I might be wrong, but I pretty sure you can do this.
@@andresmontero88 When you enter a hairpin with the popover it won't actually appear until you tell it where the end of the hairpin is. This is done by going to where you want the hairpin to end and pressing the question mark key. The hairpin should then suddenly appear between where you you entered the < or > and end where you pressed question mark.
@@andresmontero88 You can select the entire tied note, enter the hairpin with the popover and then move it to the right with ALT+Right-Arrow. You don't need to specify the end but can of course. If you do specify the end, you will also need to adjust the length with SHIFT+ALT+LEFT-ARROW.
@@_v_m_ I agree. There are workarounds with those tied notes, but they're definitely not efficient. Like you said, Sibelius is more intuitive and faster to work with.
9:40 - if you change a 4/4 bar to 3/4 you need to then enter a 4/4 after it otherwise the musicians won't know there's a change... So entering a 3/4 in Dorico does of course apply from that point onwards. When you changed to 5/4 turn on Insert mode first so that Dorico can add that beat for you.
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@Rayan Turner I really appreciate your reply. I found the site thru google and Im waiting for the hacking stuff atm. Takes quite some time so I will reply here later with my results.
But I think the feature that is missing here is to change a meter for only a certain amount of measure in one instance, as you can do with Finale. Currently (and that is v4.2 at the time of writing) still many steps are needed to achieve such a change.
Excellent insights you share, Andrés! Thank you very much! And also a big thank you to Dorico who took their time to comment! What a powerful teamwork!
This video is outstanding! So much useful information and your Spitfire Westworld submission is dope.. The theme works so well!! You should create a UDEMY course on orchestration and composing - I'd buy it! Great work man 🙌🏼 this has convinced me to try out Dorico as I have Spitfire BBC library and they made a template for Dorico with all the expression / dynamics mapped and auto key switched.. Can't believe this one was just the default sounds! Awesome!!
Hi Tim! Thank you so much for your comment. I have to be honest that I had never heard of UDEMY, until you mentioned it. I will definitely check it out. The expression maps are very powerful and I believe they will keep expanding that feature to gain more flexibility with all the playback functions, specially when working with third party libraries. I'm glad this video was helpful!
@@andresmontero88 please do this Andres! I think you make a good teacher. I'm studying online short courses in film composing, but when I finish these in the first half of the new year I will be looking for more such studies to do on a tight budget, I bought a Udemy course in composing, but I'm sure if you did one it would be so helpful for someone like myself in my situation. This is my second time watching this video btw, thank you for your time and care in making it :)
The score you made at the end of this video was suspenseful and engaged me all the way to the end! Nice piece! Dorico is now my favorite notation software for many of the benefits you mentioned (albeit 2 years ago). The updates have definitely improved in Dorico 4! Good video and thanks for sharing Andrés! 😁
Hi Andrés! I loved your video and I wanted to ask you, having listened to your score at the end of the video, why not adopting a DAW such as Cubase which offers lots more features. I love Dorico and use it all the time, but ONLY when I know that I will have to rely on musicians to perform. If this is not the case, Pro tools or Cubase are way more powerful and accurate. What do you think?
Relating to the dynamics on tied notes it is possible, just press inter input mode (shift n) then use the arrows to navigate to the rhythmic position you want then shift D and type it for example < Then as you press space the dynamic will expand.
Hi Ricardo! I tried it but Dorico 3.5 won't add only a hairpin (either < or >). You must enter an ending dynamic such as (dynamic first and then hairpin) doesn't work either. It works if you are only adding a single dynamic. Unfortunately Dorico in that area is not as versatile as Sibelius or Finale. Hopefully they fix that in an upcoming update! 🤞🏼
@@andresmontero88 It does work, but you have to select a note from the left-side panel to tell it how much to advance. Check this out, especially about the 0:45 mark: blog.dorico.com/2019/11/tip-add-dynamics-in-the-middle-of-tied-notes/
Thanks! not sure which multi window configuration you're talking about. In Dorico you can use Tabs, so you can have multiple windows from the same project at the same time. In Dorico 4 they implemented a workspace below to see the piano roll if you wish, similar to Cubase window setup. But I also use a third party app on Mac called Magnet. It's brilliant.
@@andresmontero88 Ah that makes sense! I was just a bit confused because you had the partiture on the right screen and I guess the solo voice on the left screen. And that looks very handy!
Thanks Ricardo for this tip! I actually didn't know about that! I see how it can be useful in some situations and it works if you need to remove a beat (still with some caution). The question now is if I can use the system track if I need to add a beat (let's say going from 4/4 to 5/4)? In any case, that's a good tip, thank you!
@@andresmontero88 yes. Just press alt (or alt on Mac) and the Bar will be divided on the system track accordingly to the rhythmic grid yo have selected. So for example if your grid has 8th notes you just have to select two squares.
Fantastic. Thank you for sharing. Your work is a note by note composition, which makes it of a great value. One question: what is the playback template used in Dorico? Noteperformer? Have you tried the BBCSO Pro with Dorico?
Thanks for watching da da! I'm using NotePerformer and I have not tried the BBC. I started looking into Dorico's options for playback to use with other samples and they look very powerful. Unfortunately I have not had the time to get deep into programming and tweaking those settings to work with other sample libraries. Maybe one day I'll have the time!
You're right, and I use that tool when I'm using Dorico. However, the way ties are handled in Dorico compared to Sibelius or Finale is a bit odd, and it is a struggle if you're used to do certain things (like adding swells) so naturally and efficiently in the other 2 programs. In any case, I really appreciate your comments, they are on point and very helpful.
Great review Andres! Thanks a lot for the information and tips. I agree that the problem with ties is awkward, but I believe the Steinberg team will solve it in future versions. I used Sibelius for years and started thinking seriously about replacing it with Dorico. Along with your video, I just watched one more and I think that’s more than enough for me to make a decision. :) Thank you one more time.
Hi Dominik! I'm glad you found this review helpful! I am also a Sibelius user and I've been gradually doing more things in Dorico just to get more familiar with it, but I haven't done a full switch yet. I think is good to know both softwares anyway. Good luck!
Now in Dorico 3.5 you can use the condensing features, this way you still have one staff per wind instrument on the score but show them as individual parts
Yes! I haven't had a chance to get deep into the condensing feature, but it is definitely a great feature that the other main notation software don't have. Thanks for mention it!
@@andresmontero88 it’s a great feature. I also appreciate that creating parts is a snap because all edits made in the master score automatically update on the parts- something Sibelius doesn’t do as well.
That theme is so good!! Just wondering how you got the dynamics markings in bar 138 (17:29) in the 7th instrument down - I thought Dorico doesn't like dynamics not attached to an individual note?
Thank you Jenny! and that is a good question! I had to trick Dorico. I think I initially wrote 2 half notes on the trombones and attached the dynamic to the third beat (second half note). Once I added my dynamics and hairpins, I changed the duration to be a whole note. If you want to add a single dynamic (f, p, mp etc) in the middle, you can use the caret and place it in the beat you want to put your dynamic and call the dynamics popover, but that method is VERY limiting if you want to add hairpins. That's why I used the first method.
Gracias por el video Andrés, muy bueno. Una pregunta: ¿Cuándo haces las orquestaciones para otros compositores usas Dorico o Sibelius? ¿Usas templates? ¿Qué atajos consideras que son claves para tener un workflow más rápido en Sibelius?
Hola Omar! Para orquestación uso Sibelius. Tengo mi template y si, uso bastantes shortcuts/plugins. Realmente hay bastantes plugins y cada uno tiene una función diferente, dependiendo si estoy haciendo transcripciones midi, sketches, orquestaciones o copiando partes. De pronto me hago un video con algunos de mis favoritos ;)
@@andresmontero88 realmente sería excelente un video. Yo uso Sibelius para hacer algunas cosillas (no se comparan a tus orquestaciones y arreglos que son muy pro) pero, aun así, me gustaría mejorar mi flujo de trabajo con algunos shortcuts/plugins.
Nice video. I think some of the ties problems relies on how the MIDI events are 'drawn' in the sequencer after entering a note in the score, so maybe it can be solved easier by editing directly from the sequencer. But still, I think this is a good video for Dorico to review and make some good changes/updates to the software. I haven't tried Dorico yet but I think it's worth a try, so @Dorico, don't panic xD.
Thanks George for your comment! Unfortunately I don't know anyone who's using Dorico specifically for Drum Set notation. Dorico has tons of resources online that maybe can give you some light on what you're trying to achieve.
In order to add one more best you can use the system track too. Just select the beats you want to add (using alt) and press the + button by the system track
Thank you SungHwan Choi! Unfortunately the time signature problem have not been fixed in version 3.5. You will have to the same steps I demonstrate in this video to make it work.
I switched to Dorico after years with Sibelius. I'm really happy with it, but I find it a bit underwhelming to discover that they didn't fix ties and times signatures in 4 years. Although these are minor issues and relatevily easy to work around, I'm really hoping they're working on it.
Are you still using Doraco today (version 5)? And did they fix any of those issues you mentioned? I’ve been a Finale user since 1994 and am looking to switch.
Hi there! I haven't upgraded to Dorico 5 yet, I'm on 4 at the moment of writing this. See some of the comments below that the actual @dorico account mentioned about some of the things I mentioned in the video. Inserting beats and changing time signatures in the middle of a piece got improved. Adding dynamics in the middle of tied notes it still something that I just can't get used to and that's how the program is. It's really not an "issue". Short answer, is yes, you can add hairpins and dynamics in the middle of tied notes but I can't get used to that. It's not very efficient in my humble opinion. The other programs do a much better job with that.
Since this video appeared, Dorico has grown from version 2 to version 4.3.20; so some of the limitations shown here are no longer the obstacles they were when the video first appeared.
Hi James! Thank you for your comment! You can do it with the caret but you must add an ending dynamic in order to work. For example: p. But I can’t add only a hairpin, which is a limitation. There are ways to get around, but you have to do extra steps. I hope they allow entering hairpins using the caret in an upcoming update 🤞🏼
Hi Andrew! I'm using NotePerformer. The second delay is unnoticeable in Dorico. The picture stays in sync with the playback. No need to do any tricks, it just works.
I don’t think anything will surpass Finale’s object oriented postscript abilities, but it’s playback engine and abilities are a mess. An absolute mess.
Hi! I've been quite busy with work and haven't checked in detail the latest update. I've been using Dorico 4 and they have improved the way of adding and changing time signatures in the middle of the piece. It's more stable. Video engine seems better, although you might run into problems if you try to upload a file with high resolution. The solution is to have your video files relatively in low res before loading in Dorico. The ties... that's just how the software works... which that's linked to how you enter dynamics on tied notes. Even though you have ways to do that, it's just not efficient compared to the other programs.
16:15 The fast piano section ends up backfiring on you. First of all, it's overkill for the scene. It shows that you would rather "prove" your capabilities instead of serving the picture. This is what amateurs tend to do.
Adding beats/changing time signature got easier and improved. Putting dynamics in the middle of tied notes is the same. There are workarounds and it's possible to do it, but it's just cumbersome to achieve that in my personal opinion.
@@andresmontero88 Thank you! I have comission for an hour long piece for orchestra and choir and electronics. Until this time i worked in musescore, but i find it still not the same league as sib, fin, and dorico. But I don't know which one to choose! I will be working a in daws also. Dorico seems to have the best system for importing midi files. I will greatly appreciate any advice! For many years I was writing by hand. That is what I had learned many years ago.
@@mashoy78 If you're not using it for scoring, I'd suggest Sibelius. In my opinion Sib is the best user-friendly notation software and with their recent updates the program has gotten even better. It is fast and efficient. Definitely not Finale. I was a Finale user for many many years, but it's too buggy and has a steep learning curve. You'll end up doing a lot of extra work cleaning a score that either Sib or Dorico does it for you.
@@andresmontero88 Thank you! I will give a chance to Sibelius although to me it looks very chaotic and cluttered. Visually Dorico looks much more inviting... Is sibelius better than Dorico when it comes to engraving? I mean speed/quality ratio.
@@mashoy78 Oh that’s interesting. Personal taste definitely takes a role when choosing and liking a software. I’ve worked professionally on all 3 (Fin, Sib and Dorico) and to ME, Sibelius is the fastest and most efficient out of all three. For Scoring I’d go with Dorico though.
12:00 now you wonder why pros dont use it for film? lol This is an engraving software yet. You can’t show a final score, so which is the point…Notion 6 does this as well, and with Kontakt instruments. Dorico is top, but not there yet
Hi there! You can enter dynamics using the caret when you have tied notes, but it cannot handle hairpins only. You must enter an ending dynamic. I see that as a limitation in Dorico. Hopefully they fix that soon!
You wasted most of this video talking about minor workflow changes from Sibelius. Instead of the title - scoring in Dorico. I'd be interested to konw the brand of your vertical monitor though.
16:50 Wrong character. Blowing up a vehicle isn't "over the top" heroic. It would make more sense to incorporate a sense of accomplishment and relief in the score. Common sense, right?
8:00 - You can enter dynamics anywhere in tied notes if you start the caret first. No need to struggle.
First of all, thank you @Dorico for watching my video! I tried your solution with the caret, but it only works if you enter a hairpin AND a dynamic. For example:
@@andresmontero88 I think if you enter the hairpin, and then hit the spacebar, the hairpin will lengthen. I might be wrong, but I pretty sure you can do this.
@@andresmontero88 When you enter a hairpin with the popover it won't actually appear until you tell it where the end of the hairpin is. This is done by going to where you want the hairpin to end and pressing the question mark key. The hairpin should then suddenly appear between where you you entered the < or > and end where you pressed question mark.
@@andresmontero88 You can select the entire tied note, enter the hairpin with the popover and then move it to the right with ALT+Right-Arrow. You don't need to specify the end but can of course. If you do specify the end, you will also need to adjust the length with SHIFT+ALT+LEFT-ARROW.
@@_v_m_ I agree. There are workarounds with those tied notes, but they're definitely not efficient. Like you said, Sibelius is more intuitive and faster to work with.
9:40 - if you change a 4/4 bar to 3/4 you need to then enter a 4/4 after it otherwise the musicians won't know there's a change... So entering a 3/4 in Dorico does of course apply from that point onwards. When you changed to 5/4 turn on Insert mode first so that Dorico can add that beat for you.
Thanks!
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@Rayan Turner I really appreciate your reply. I found the site thru google and Im waiting for the hacking stuff atm.
Takes quite some time so I will reply here later with my results.
But I think the feature that is missing here is to change a meter for only a certain amount of measure in one instance, as you can do with Finale. Currently (and that is v4.2 at the time of writing) still many steps are needed to achieve such a change.
Excellent insights you share, Andrés! Thank you very much!
And also a big thank you to Dorico who took their time to comment!
What a powerful teamwork!
Thank you! I'm glad you liked the video.
That is amazing work. I have Dorico but am unable to come up with anything like that. You are greatly gifted.
Thank you so much Rod! I really appreciate it
This video is outstanding! So much useful information and your Spitfire Westworld submission is dope.. The theme works so well!! You should create a UDEMY course on orchestration and composing - I'd buy it! Great work man 🙌🏼 this has convinced me to try out Dorico as I have Spitfire BBC library and they made a template for Dorico with all the expression / dynamics mapped and auto key switched.. Can't believe this one was just the default sounds! Awesome!!
Hi Tim! Thank you so much for your comment. I have to be honest that I had never heard of UDEMY, until you mentioned it. I will definitely check it out. The expression maps are very powerful and I believe they will keep expanding that feature to gain more flexibility with all the playback functions, specially when working with third party libraries. I'm glad this video was helpful!
@@andresmontero88 please do this Andres! I think you make a good teacher. I'm studying online short courses in film composing, but when I finish these in the first half of the new year I will be looking for more such studies to do on a tight budget, I bought a Udemy course in composing, but I'm sure if you did one it would be so helpful for someone like myself in my situation. This is my second time watching this video btw, thank you for your time and care in making it :)
Nice job on the scene and also showing how Dorico can be used to score a film.
Huy maestro Andrés... Que gusto haber compartido un par de almuerzos con sumercé 😍.
Felicitaciones por tan merecidos logros.
El maestro Zapata! Hombre que alegría saber de usted. No solo almuerzos sino muchas clases y recitales también! Espero todo ande bien. Un abrazo!
Great work! Congrats! And thank you for the advice! I'm definitely going to Dorico! P.S: I saw you worked with Anne-Kathrin! What a couple!
Thank you so much!
The score you made at the end of this video was suspenseful and engaged me all the way to the end! Nice piece! Dorico is now my favorite notation software for many of the benefits you mentioned (albeit 2 years ago). The updates have definitely improved in Dorico 4! Good video and thanks for sharing Andrés! 😁
Thank you very much for your kind words.
Very helpful, thank you Andres! COngrats for your work.
Where is the Quit Sibelius button when I need it ;)
Hi Andrés! I loved your video and I wanted to ask you, having listened to your score at the end of the video, why not adopting a DAW such as Cubase which offers lots more features. I love Dorico and use it all the time, but ONLY when I know that I will have to rely on musicians to perform. If this is not the case, Pro tools or Cubase are way more powerful and accurate. What do you think?
Hi Luke! Thanks for your comment. I agree. For a more controlled and detailed mockup, still a DAW is the way to go.
Very good work and good music!
Thanks a lot!
Bravo for the presentation and the final result. Best wishes from Portugal
Thank you Ricardo!
Relating to the dynamics on tied notes it is possible, just press inter input mode (shift n) then use the arrows to navigate to the rhythmic position you want then shift D and type it for example <
Then as you press space the dynamic will expand.
Hi Ricardo! I tried it but Dorico 3.5 won't add only a hairpin (either < or >). You must enter an ending dynamic such as (dynamic first and then hairpin) doesn't work either. It works if you are only adding a single dynamic. Unfortunately Dorico in that area is not as versatile as Sibelius or Finale. Hopefully they fix that in an upcoming update! 🤞🏼
@@andresmontero88 It does work, but you have to select a note from the left-side panel to tell it how much to advance. Check this out, especially about the 0:45 mark: blog.dorico.com/2019/11/tip-add-dynamics-in-the-middle-of-tied-notes/
Excellent video. Very informative and professional. Thanks!
Thank you Heather!
Great video and lots of information about Dorico.
Thank you Arturo!
A fantastic video! I just discovered it now. And I wonder, how did you setup up that multi window configuration?
Thanks! not sure which multi window configuration you're talking about. In Dorico you can use Tabs, so you can have multiple windows from the same project at the same time. In Dorico 4 they implemented a workspace below to see the piano roll if you wish, similar to Cubase window setup. But I also use a third party app on Mac called Magnet. It's brilliant.
@@andresmontero88 Ah that makes sense! I was just a bit confused because you had the partiture on the right screen and I guess the solo voice on the left screen. And that looks very handy!
Relating to the change of time signatures in the middle, you can use the system track press alt select one beat to remove it
Thanks Ricardo for this tip! I actually didn't know about that! I see how it can be useful in some situations and it works if you need to remove a beat (still with some caution). The question now is if I can use the system track if I need to add a beat (let's say going from 4/4 to 5/4)? In any case, that's a good tip, thank you!
@@andresmontero88 yes. Just press alt (or alt on Mac) and the Bar will be divided on the system track accordingly to the rhythmic grid yo have selected. So for example if your grid has 8th notes you just have to select two squares.
Then if you press the + button on the system track it adds the amount or bars/beats you have selected
@@rmatosinhos Fantastic! thank you for letting me know!
If you prefer to use the keyboard, use shift+B and type 1q this adds one quarter note rest to after the note you have selected
Fantastic. Thank you for sharing. Your work is a note by note composition, which makes it of a great value. One question: what is the playback template used in Dorico? Noteperformer? Have you tried the BBCSO Pro with Dorico?
Thanks for watching da da! I'm using NotePerformer and I have not tried the BBC. I started looking into Dorico's options for playback to use with other samples and they look very powerful. Unfortunately I have not had the time to get deep into programming and tweaking those settings to work with other sample libraries. Maybe one day I'll have the time!
Excelente!!!!!! un gran trabajo, , abrazo grande.
Gracias maestro! 🙏🏼
Thanks. I found this very, very helpful.
Glad to hear it!
Relating to the duration of ties you can change them using shift arrows and then alt arrows to move the notes following the rhythmic position
You're right, and I use that tool when I'm using Dorico. However, the way ties are handled in Dorico compared to Sibelius or Finale is a bit odd, and it is a struggle if you're used to do certain things (like adding swells) so naturally and efficiently in the other 2 programs. In any case, I really appreciate your comments, they are on point and very helpful.
Great review Andres! Thanks a lot for the information and tips. I agree that the problem with ties is awkward, but I believe the Steinberg team will solve it in future versions. I used Sibelius for years and started thinking seriously about replacing it with Dorico. Along with your video, I just watched one more and I think that’s more than enough for me to make a decision. :) Thank you one more time.
Hi Dominik! I'm glad you found this review helpful! I am also a Sibelius user and I've been gradually doing more things in Dorico just to get more familiar with it, but I haven't done a full switch yet. I think is good to know both softwares anyway. Good luck!
@@andresmontero88 of course, I completely agree with the statement about software. :)
Now in Dorico 3.5 you can use the condensing features, this way you still have one staff per wind instrument on the score but show them as individual parts
Yes! I haven't had a chance to get deep into the condensing feature, but it is definitely a great feature that the other main notation software don't have. Thanks for mention it!
@@andresmontero88 it’s a great feature. I also appreciate that creating parts is a snap because all edits made in the master score automatically update on the parts- something Sibelius doesn’t do as well.
That theme is so good!! Just wondering how you got the dynamics markings in bar 138 (17:29) in the 7th instrument down - I thought Dorico doesn't like dynamics not attached to an individual note?
Thank you Jenny! and that is a good question! I had to trick Dorico. I think I initially wrote 2 half notes on the trombones and attached the dynamic to the third beat (second half note). Once I added my dynamics and hairpins, I changed the duration to be a whole note. If you want to add a single dynamic (f, p, mp etc) in the middle, you can use the caret and place it in the beat you want to put your dynamic and call the dynamics popover, but that method is VERY limiting if you want to add hairpins. That's why I used the first method.
Gracias por el video Andrés, muy bueno. Una pregunta: ¿Cuándo haces las orquestaciones para otros compositores usas Dorico o Sibelius? ¿Usas templates? ¿Qué atajos consideras que son claves para tener un workflow más rápido en Sibelius?
Hola Omar! Para orquestación uso Sibelius. Tengo mi template y si, uso bastantes shortcuts/plugins. Realmente hay bastantes plugins y cada uno tiene una función diferente, dependiendo si estoy haciendo transcripciones midi, sketches, orquestaciones o copiando partes. De pronto me hago un video con algunos de mis favoritos ;)
@@andresmontero88 realmente sería excelente un video. Yo uso Sibelius para hacer algunas cosillas (no se comparan a tus orquestaciones y arreglos que son muy pro) pero, aun así, me gustaría mejorar mi flujo de trabajo con algunos shortcuts/plugins.
@@omarirm Claro que si! Voy a buscar un tiempo para poder hacerlo
You are very talented !!!
Thank you so much!
Nice video. I think some of the ties problems relies on how the MIDI events are 'drawn' in the sequencer after entering a note in the score, so maybe it can be solved easier by editing directly from the sequencer. But still, I think this is a good video for Dorico to review and make some good changes/updates to the software. I haven't tried Dorico yet but I think it's worth a try, so @Dorico, don't panic xD.
Thanks for the video. Do you know of any musicians/TH-cam channels who use Dorico for drum set notation? Thanks in advance. George
Thanks George for your comment! Unfortunately I don't know anyone who's using Dorico specifically for Drum Set notation. Dorico has tons of resources online that maybe can give you some light on what you're trying to achieve.
very cool - Sid
Thanks Sid! 🙏🏼
@@andresmontero88 You're welcome. Keep the videos coming.
In order to add one more best you can use the system track too. Just select the beats you want to add (using alt) and press the + button by the system track
Thanks so much for this tip. This is gold!
Very good
Hi Andres. Thanks for the great video. The problems of Dorico that you mentioned (ex: time signature problems), is it fixed in current version?
Thank you SungHwan Choi! Unfortunately the time signature problem have not been fixed in version 3.5. You will have to the same steps I demonstrate in this video to make it work.
I switched to Dorico after years with Sibelius. I'm really happy with it, but I find it a bit underwhelming to discover that they didn't fix ties and times signatures in 4 years.
Although these are minor issues and relatevily easy to work around, I'm really hoping they're working on it.
Andres did the Steinberg crew fix those issues within Dorico in the most recent version?
amazing
Are you still using Doraco today (version 5)? And did they fix any of those issues you mentioned? I’ve been a Finale user since 1994 and am looking to switch.
Hi there! I haven't upgraded to Dorico 5 yet, I'm on 4 at the moment of writing this. See some of the comments below that the actual @dorico account mentioned about some of the things I mentioned in the video. Inserting beats and changing time signatures in the middle of a piece got improved. Adding dynamics in the middle of tied notes it still something that I just can't get used to and that's how the program is. It's really not an "issue". Short answer, is yes, you can add hairpins and dynamics in the middle of tied notes but I can't get used to that. It's not very efficient in my humble opinion. The other programs do a much better job with that.
@@andresmontero88Thanks!
@@andresmontero88 Also they are offering a $299 side grade from Finale to Doraco 5, which seems like a good deal to me.
Felicidades, Andrés. En definitiva, yo soy novicio en orchestraciones: ¿Cual usarías para empezar: Sibelius, Finale o Dorico?
Logic Pro. If you have questions ask me
Si hablamos de creación del score final para una sesión de grabación, para mi Sibelius es el más eficiente de todos.
Bravo!
Thank you so much!!!
very talented composer you are. That has to be one of the longest chase scenes ever though.. ha!
Thank you! It was a fun competition to participate! Good scene.
Since this video appeared, Dorico has grown from version 2 to version 4.3.20; so some of the limitations shown here are no longer the obstacles they were when the video first appeared.
"Grown" or replicated like a virus?
Can a Yamaha p-125
midi output score music in Dorico on ipadPro?
Hello Andres, did you use noteperformer sounds?
Yes I did!
@@andresmontero88 Yeah!!!
You absolutely can enter dynamics in the middle of a sequence of tied notes. You have to enter the caret to do it rather than using the mouse.
Hi James! Thank you for your comment! You can do it with the caret but you must add an ending dynamic in order to work. For example: p. But I can’t add only a hairpin, which is a limitation. There are ways to get around, but you have to do extra steps. I hope they allow entering hairpins using the caret in an upcoming update 🤞🏼
For tied notes simply double click on beat or bar that you want to break the tie and then hit T
is dorico compatible with EzKeys, EzBass and ezDrums?
Hi Eliyah! I personally don't have any "Ez" products, but they should work. Dorico has VST support, so you should be able to work with any VST plugin.
7:12 Logic has it. Welcome to Earth 🌎
Noteperformer is not a sample library. I computes sound in real time based on physical models.
Nice score.
Thank you so much!
What playback did you use during the writing process? I'm assuming noteperformer still has the 1 second delay in Dorico
Hi Andrew! I'm using NotePerformer. The second delay is unnoticeable in Dorico. The picture stays in sync with the playback. No need to do any tricks, it just works.
@@andresmontero88 Awesome! thanks for the reply. I'm considering doing the crossgrade. I'm really hoping for cubase integration soon too
@@andrewosano7486 I think it is worth give it a shot, specially for writing to picture!
@@andresmontero88 I think I am! Also it's great to see another film composer that scores in notation first!
I don’t think anything will surpass Finale’s object oriented postscript abilities, but it’s playback engine and abilities are a mess. An absolute mess.
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Thank you!!!
hi... does in june 2022 dorico has the same issues?
Hi! I've been quite busy with work and haven't checked in detail the latest update. I've been using Dorico 4 and they have improved the way of adding and changing time signatures in the middle of the piece. It's more stable. Video engine seems better, although you might run into problems if you try to upload a file with high resolution. The solution is to have your video files relatively in low res before loading in Dorico. The ties... that's just how the software works... which that's linked to how you enter dynamics on tied notes. Even though you have ways to do that, it's just not efficient compared to the other programs.
16:15 The fast piano section ends up backfiring on you. First of all, it's overkill for the scene. It shows that you would rather "prove" your capabilities instead of serving the picture. This is what amateurs tend to do.
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Are those bugs fixed in Dorico 4?
Adding beats/changing time signature got easier and improved. Putting dynamics in the middle of tied notes is the same. There are workarounds and it's possible to do it, but it's just cumbersome to achieve that in my personal opinion.
@@andresmontero88 Thank you! I have comission for an hour long piece for orchestra and choir and electronics. Until this time i worked in musescore, but i find it still not the same league as sib, fin, and dorico. But I don't know which one to choose! I will be working a in daws also. Dorico seems to have the best system for importing midi files. I will greatly appreciate any advice! For many years I was writing by hand. That is what I had learned many years ago.
@@mashoy78 If you're not using it for scoring, I'd suggest Sibelius. In my opinion Sib is the best user-friendly notation software and with their recent updates the program has gotten even better. It is fast and efficient. Definitely not Finale. I was a Finale user for many many years, but it's too buggy and has a steep learning curve. You'll end up doing a lot of extra work cleaning a score that either Sib or Dorico does it for you.
@@andresmontero88 Thank you! I will give a chance to Sibelius although to me it looks very chaotic and cluttered. Visually Dorico looks much more inviting... Is sibelius better than Dorico when it comes to engraving? I mean speed/quality ratio.
@@mashoy78 Oh that’s interesting. Personal taste definitely takes a role when choosing and liking a software. I’ve worked professionally on all 3 (Fin, Sib and Dorico) and to ME, Sibelius is the fastest and most efficient out of all three. For Scoring I’d go with Dorico though.
12:00 now you wonder why pros dont use it for film? lol This is an engraving software yet. You can’t show a final score, so which is the point…Notion 6 does this as well, and with Kontakt instruments. Dorico is top, but not there yet
Adding or changing time signatures in the middle of a piece is something that they have improved in recent updates, which is a good thing.
It’s extremely easy to make time signature changes in Dorico, and has been for some time. The insert mode makes it very quick and efficient.
crescendos under tied notes seems to be no problem anymore
Hi there! You can enter dynamics using the caret when you have tied notes, but it cannot handle hairpins only. You must enter an ending dynamic. I see that as a limitation in Dorico. Hopefully they fix that soon!
You wasted most of this video talking about minor workflow changes from Sibelius. Instead of the title - scoring in Dorico. I'd be interested to konw the brand of your vertical monitor though.
14:00 hmm the score seems like odd musical choices, it sounds comical, during a heavy action sequence..
16:50 Wrong character. Blowing up a vehicle isn't "over the top" heroic. It would make more sense to incorporate a sense of accomplishment and relief in the score. Common sense, right?
I think this score is done by boilerplate Ideas.
SO NOW WE KNOW WHERE ALL THE RUBBISH FILM MUSIC COMES FROM
EXACTLY. SPOT ON. 👌
lol haha well, i wonder the QI level to not use Logic or Cubase for the same purpose
Dorico ist not a comfortable Programm, its a catastrophe to learn this Software