Finding Out Why This Dewalt Mower Start And Then Stops
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Thanks for watching. In this video we try and figure out why they gave this mower away. Then we try and see if we can get it working again.
I think a battery pack rebuild would be an interesting video. Definitely keep a sand bucket nearby and appropriate safety material.
oh you got that right, sand bucket, and a wet blanket to smother it. Don't have a fire blanket just yet.
I’ve rebuilt dozens of these DCB210 batteries and they are still dropping like flies.
The Samsung INR21700-50S cells are prone to overheating. The DCB210 were created to avoid bundling FlexVolt batteries with these things (might as well be a 60V mower then). Get a pair of 9AH FlexVolt batteries instead (30T cells). 8AH XR (DCB208) and 12AH FlexVolt are good options too (40T) but 8AH is low capacity for this.
@@HomeGaragechannelIt won’t smother it (self-oxidizing) but at least it will avoid having flames shoot out to start secondary fires.
If you have a donor gas engine, then that would be the cheapest option, however their are knockoff batteries available; replacing cells may be an answer, but that’s not for everyone to do. Have a great weekend everyone!
thank you very much!
Definitely an A+ for the video and absolutely an F for the product. The cost of replacing batteries should be enough reason to stay away from this crap. Battery powered lawn equipment will soon be like EVs manufactures are going bankrupt. Try to trade in an EV not even the dealership wants it back😂 the only ones pushing this crap are our politicians.
Install the gasoline engine and make some
$$👍👍
@@pit4955 i love EVs. They're exciting!
I mean, when was the last time you heard of a car dealership burning down from a brand new car that was sitting on the lot doing nothing.
Probably never! Therefore, more exciting!
Spot on!
@@demcomp LMAO! Nice
I like that idea a lot
@@donjohnson1416 absolutely most of my power tools are electric and pneumatic, true I also have a battery powered Makita and Milwaukee drill and impact driver that’s about it and only being used on very light work. Battery power has gotten quite expensive. I happened to be an area where the developer has 180 homes being built and 75% of the contractors are all using generators with compressors and electric power tools.
Hadn't watched any of your videos in awhile. Came back to see you working on electric junk. The gas power will never go away
have you been to the hardware stores lately? There are 30-40 electric mowers compared to the 5 gassers on display
@@HomeGaragechannel That's because they are "new" to people are which is why manufacturers are selling them. Also, there are incentives by the government with the fake president and his puppet masters.
All of it is just a fad. Notice how electric lawn equipment is never stolen. While gas lawn equipment is highly sought out by thieves.
you and I can only hold out as long as parts are still available, but as time goes by, they'll get harder to find and if you do find them, they're going to be expensive.
This is a reason that battery powered mowers aren't really the future just yet. I would definitely stick with gasoline powered ones until battery power makes an improvement in the future.
Answering your question, it wouldn't be a bad idea to swap the battery packs with an engine. Would definitely be more reliable for sure lol
That is my thought as well.
you got that right!
Rebuild the cells! Love to see it.
I have considered it, but if I do, I'll just end up rebuilding the entire pack with new cells.
@@HomeGaragechannel If you do, let us know the source of the cells, ie, where you bought them. Temu, etc.
will do
@@ken48827Exact replacement cells for these DCB210 batteries:
Samsung INR21700-50S from 18650 Battery Store. They all suck though, no matter where you get them. I have about a dozen failed DeWALT packs to restore with these cells including two that failed fresh out of the factory package from a new lawnmower.
@@ken48827 More details:
After so many others failed I tried to cycle them with a very light load before mowing with them. They charged to 20.6 and 20.7 volts (fine). I put the first one on my DeWALT DCL045 LED light and the other on my DL24 load tester (1A constant current; 15v cutoff voltage).
The light gave me the low battery flash and I found one bank of cells over-discharged (3.8v). After balancing they failed in the mower (0v) almost immediately.
“10AH” means it should take 10 hours to drain a DCB210 at 1A but that one hit the cutoff in barely half that. No-load voltage rebounded +2v. After recharging a bank of cells failed in the mower (0v) almost immediately.
I have a very small yard I went to battery operated mower and 2018. It is the ego brand still on the same battery takes about one our to charge it from dead. It’s a 7.5 amp 56 V battery and I get 3 1/2 cuts of my yard out of a charge currently when I first got it. It was closer to 4 1/2 but batteries due to grade with age, but I don’t think that’s too bad with it’s age if I had a bigger yard, I would buy gas
I like your reasoning for going electric, it totally makes sense
Great video I’m suprised someone has not put a gas engine on one of these
on video, maybe but I haven't seen one yet.
Ack, after 30 years in the industry, I absolutely refuse to book electric machines into my shop. These things are garbage, and BAD for the environment, NOT green at all. Expensive to buy, batteries are expensive to replace... Basically it is a case of "When in doubt, throw it out".
I like that saying!
@@donjohnson1416 That is correct, and we have air tools. You don't use saws to repair outdoor power equipment.
I'm really tired , think I'll take care of this. thanks for playing .
It's a whole new game with battery mowers. I am trying to resist but there are a lot like that hanging around online.
I know right, I don't plan on buying any either, but free, I can manage that.
@@donjohnson1416 3/4 acre might be a test for current battery technology 🤔
@donjohnson1416 I was thinking little stuff like this one, box store gear. With commercial gear, I agree, 3/4 acre is easy peasy
Project Farm did a video maybe a couple months ago on authentic DeWalt batteries vs. counterfeit DeWalt batteries that was pretty eye-opening. I fully assume these are authentic and came with the mower but that's kind of where my mind initially went.
yes I saw that video, thank you!
I just rebuilt one of those same 10ah batteries a few weeks ago. Order two new cells online spot welded them in and works as good as new.
did you order the same model Samsung cell, or an equivalent? I'd be Leary of mixing new and old cells.
@@HomeGaragechannel I ordered the same Samsung cells that were in it. I ran a few cycles through the battery and I took it apart again and they all have the same voltage so they are charging fine with the old cells. Figured it was worth the little bit of money I put into it. I've done the same thing with a much older heavily used 6ah battery and that one I only replaced one cell and haven't had a problem yet.
nice, thank you for the information
I bet you have 2 or 3 cells in that pack that discharged further than the rest. It might even just be a single cell that failed. Charge the pack all the way, then take it all out together. Find B1 (or some similar designation) and see what voltage you get there, continuing through the end. That will help you identify which group of cells is low if you choose to rebuild it. The issue you might come across, is finding the identical cells online. There are some reputable stores that will get genuine cells, but they'll cost a bit. The other issue, is getting the nickel strip, decent spot welder, etc to rebuild them. I've done several packs, although, not in the 10Ah range. Happy to provide any insight I can if you choose to rebuild it, as I've done probably 50 packs over the last few years for Milwaukee, Makita, Ryobi so far.
thank you and yes I've considered rebuilding them with all new cell to keep from having a balancing issue
DeWalt Batteries should last about 10 years.. but if they're poorly charged and maintained, much shorter. I have been using battery operated tools all the time for work, but they're not lawnmowers...
I'm not impressed with electric mowers. I mean, plug-in is great. Lots of power, but battery? They're just throw away junk. As soon as something fails, it is non-serviceable and trash.
So "environmentally" friendly. I guess the NET-zero is the amount of money you have after switching to these "environmentally friendly" products. Let's face it, the moment someone calls it environmentally friendly, it's plastic, and throw away.
thank you and I like the way you put it.
@@donjohnson1416 There is a difference between a battery drill, and a lawnmower. Lawnmower motors require continuous power, where as drills are short duration usage.
Gasoline engines are designed for continuous operation, and batteries, especially small batteries in enclosed places, are not very good for continuous operation. The reason, is heat. Heat absolutely destroys batteries. Look at Tesla when their batteries overheat.
To COOL the batteries you will require power draw for the purpose of cooling them (which a lawnmower does not have)...
When you go over tall, thick grass and weeds, the motor goes under heavier load and require more draw from the batteries, increasing the heat.
Where as a Gasoline lawnmower, they're spinning already, so they slap a fan on top to blow down over the engine to cool it..
Is there a loss? Miniscule, where as running a fan to cool the batteries, considering it's extra current going elsewhere, it'll be a significant draw.
Argue all you want. Doesn't change that batteries tools are throw away items.
Your degreaser works fantastic, Can you tell,what it is?
I think he uses Harbor Freight brand. I got some and it's great -- highly concentrated and you mix with water for the desired strength.
sure, it's Super Heavy Duty Degreaser from Harbor Freight
you are correct! I use mine very concentrated
Excellent Video LOL Thanks you made my morning.
no problem and I appreciate your time
Rebuilding the battery is a delicate operation. Back in the NICAD battery era, I rebuilt a lot of my Ryobi battery packs. Even then those NICAD batteries carried a nasty bite if they accidentally got shorted. Lithium is even more spicy. Just be very careful if that's how you go.
yes, I would have to all the safety stuff ready, along with a box of extra "care"
I have the same mower.
After fighting with those junk 10AH DCB210 XR batteries (literally dozens failed) I finally just spent the money to get two 9AH DCB609 FlexVolt batteries, two 8AH DCB208 XR batteries, and two 5AH DCB2105 PowerStack batteries… then the mower started shutting off in about 5 seconds.
It has a relatively new Oregon blade that has only been used to mow twice without issue so I don’t think that’s the issue. The motor is supposed to speed up in thicker grass and I can hear it surge just before shutting off though it is unloaded.
Regarding the DCB210 batteries: It’s almost always a failed bank of two cells due to overheating. Even the ones with another issue failed the same way with the next use. The exact replacement cells are Samsung INR21700-50S.
thank you for the information I appreciate it.
Great video as always. I love my battery tools, but in cases like this it seems like batteries are going to cause more waste and pollution than gas engines. Batteries only lasting a few years is miserable. I know battery technology will keep getting better hopefully down the road we'll have batteries that last a very long time, but right now I still believe gas engines are the way to go in things like lawnmowers. Take care of a gas engine and it'll last a very long time and not in a landfill in just a few years.
you said it all! Thank you
I did start accepting their battery powered push mowers, cause some can be converted to gas very easily, so I started to save gas engines just for that.
ah that makes sense
Can you please try to work on more weed eater and leaf blower videos if possible but love the video keep up the great work!
yep the mower season is close to closing so I'll be doing more 2 stroke stuff soon.
I hate to say, the DCB107 (charges at 1.25 amps) is the slowest battery charger that dewalt makes. If you decide to work on more dewalt tools, I would heavily recommend switching to a DCB115 (charges at 4 amps), which is pretty cheap by the way, about 50$ new, but you can find them from as low as 15$ new. If you want a real fast charger, then I would recommend the DCB118 (charges at 8 amps) for a little bit more, about 125$ new, but you can find them for as low as 50$ used. I would recommend getting the DCB115 for 3.2X charge speed. Thanks for reading this 💀
thank you for making this comment. Yes I'm aware that the DCB107 is a 1.25 amp charger but I do believe this was done to help improve battery life by slow charging it.
To be honest, I'm guessing that the person who had this mower before me, was not using these chargers once they realized how slow they were, and starting using a much faster charger which ended up shorting their life.
@@HomeGaragechannel From my experience, I have seen very little difference from battery life from slow charging, and normal charging, but I do understand your consideration. Thanks!
thank you for your time
Might be a good video to rebuild the batteries and see if you get longer use from them.
if I do, I'll have to rebuild it with brand new cells,
I'll give you a Tip on the brushless and cordless equipment. Use Dielectric Grease. Use on batteries and All connections. Let me know how it helps.
Good stuff!
I have a question 🤔. What cleaner do you use. It 👍 definitely works amazing. God Bless.
thank you, I'll have to get some
sure, I'm using Super Heavy Duty Degreaser from Harbor Freight
Get a deal on two batteries! SB&D had owned DeWalt for many years. They've also owned MTD for several years. That IS an MTD mower using DeWalt battery technology.
thank you for the information, now it makes sense
Ah the good ol days of cleaning a carb and having a running machine again.
I know right, gone all gone
I've heard of many mower batteries dying at the 3-4 yr point. This is one of the main reasons I'm not "going electric" until I have to. I'm old enough that hopefully that time will never come.
I know right, 4-$500 for 3 or 4 years.. no thank you
I'm with everybody else the cost of the batteries just does not know why in 1 gallon of gasoline. It would take more thank 5 5ah batteries to equal 1 gallon of gas. Absolutely crazy it's not helping out environment at all how they manufacturing of those cells
I know what you mean
When I repaired power tools DeWalt wasn't the best brand of power tools despite being expensive, maybe if Metabo made an electric push mower they might do a better job at making one.
I would convert it into an internal combustion engined lawnmower if the base is strong enough, there is someone who butchered an electric push mower to run an internal combustion engine & people think that he weakened the base by doing that.
It's not impossible but the base needed to be strengthened with metal plates or something because he bolted onto weaker sheet metal base which he had to cut a bigger hole into !
thank you for the information
Perfect... A Mower which is not allowed to be cleaned.
Nah, fair enough. It goes well with my personal policy of Everything Has To Be Earned. So, a mower that can't do the job just deserves the fate of a hobo: no shelter, no warm shower.😈
I know right. Sound like an electric truck with stainless panels
And this is exactly why I pick up any kind of equipment with an engine; I just know it’ll last far longer than the best electric equipment on the market!
Every time I use my equipment I have found I feel peace of mind knowing they will continue to run even when gas equipment is no longer sold.
Now on the other hand I do have a cordless snow blower which I repaired a few years ago and occasionally use in the winter.
The battery is still good because as soon as it’s charged it’s removed off the charger because the battery will actually lose capacity the longer it’s plugged in.
I can’t confirm that this is a surefire way to avoid replacing the battery altogether but it is similar to tires on a vehicle. With proper maintenance and careful usage a tire (likewise a battery) will last a long time before requiring replacement due to age.
I like the way you put that
Great video I think you should try to build a Frankenstein's monster and put in a gas mower if possible🎉❤
now that's a great idea!
You might be able to rebuild the cells, but after seeing the results of so many E-Bike fires in NYC due to improperly repaired lithium ion cell batteries I would think twice about it. Easy swap out for a gas engine, especially if you have a stash of MTD handlebars around. The rest of the mower is in great shape!
yes I agree, I have to admit it but the battery pack rebuild Is at the bottom of my list .
Have a go at fixing it to show the worthof such an endevour
that's an idea
The lawn mower reminds me of a typical cordless portable vacuum cleaner, aka "Dustbuster". They're designed for lightweight and small size and cheap, so the cells are way under rated for the fan motor. When you run the little vac, the batteries see a current draw almost like a car battery sees when the engine starter motor is engaged. If you get a year out of a portable vac that's good. The batteries are killed fast. I feel that lawn mower is like a big dustbuster in so far as the battery packs are beat to death unlike when they are used for a saw, or a drill.
I like the way you put that
In Australia 2 of 10 amp Dewalt batteries Is $500-$600. That's a new mower price or a more reliable gas one. Battery ones are good for units or postage stamp size lawns. I have two from road side salvage. Kept for those jobs. Luckily one came with three batteries, so it a battery swap routine.
well said, not sure but I'm definitely considering my options here
I see my neighbors all smiles with their shiny new battery powered lawnmowers but wait a few years when they need batteries and they are 200 dollars each and maybe obsolete already they will be sorry they put a perfectly good lawnmower on the curb .
totally agree
I'd like to know where you can get an EGO branded 56v 7.5 ah battery for 130-140. I've seen them for over $320. IF it doesn't say EGO on the pack, I don't know if I'd buy it.
I didn't mean to say use Dielectric grease. So sorry. I meant to Say use a all Purpose Lubricant. God Bless Everyone. Helping with electrical flow. God Bless Everyone and Trust in our Lord and Savior Christ Jesus
Vote for Jesus and dielectriuc is still good stuff!
ah, thank you for clarifying
@HomeGaragechannel Sorry I meant to say stay away from Dielectric. So sorry.
Probably can find after market batteries that will work.
yes that's an idea
I mean, I think a large problem here is the battery packs. The idea is good, "Oh hey, use the same batteries as your tools!" but... it is running in parallel to get a 40v, which can't be good for tool batteries. I've got a 50v Ego mower, and haven't had a lick of trouble. It'll munch through tall, damp grass for a good half hour before the battery overheats. My fault, I let it grow too tall, but by that point I'm ready for a little sit and break. Half hour later, it's either full, or full enough to finish the rest of the yard.
Running the batteries in parallel does NOT boost the voltage to 40V. Only connecting them in SERIES would do that, and I don't think that's what's happening in the mower.
@@b0bsaget007 I think He meant in series.
IDK if it's in series or parallel but I would assume that it is in fact in series as higher voltages tend to be more efficient.
Actually in parallel (in this case) because one holds a charge different then the other, the bad one will indeed have an impact on the good one because the bad one will constantly draw from the good one.
This will obviously bring the better battery to the same state as the worse battery over time, drastically lowering the life span of the better battery.
thank you for sharing that
With the self propel it might only run for 10 minutes!
yes it went from 26 to 13 minutes with the self propel, which makes it pretty much useless unless you have a tiny yard.
just got an email from dewalt that some of the mowers that were sold were recalled for some safety feature, I have the Ego electric mower and my mower is tough built, its been with me since 2018 and has been abused and is still kicking strong
yes Ego seems to work for quite some time. And yes there's a recall for their newer battery mowers
Classic. What do new batteries cost? 😂😂😂
a lot! around $330 for the pair.
Long mow on a short cliff.
LOL!!!
What degreaser do you use? Always wanted to ask
I'm using Super Heavy Duty Degreaser from Harbor Freight
You could swap it with a parts engine and do a rebuild on it, that would be kinda fun at least for me lol
that's a great idea
I would say put an engine on it. In fact, I would say if you have an old Cub Cadet where the deck is rotted out then the PowerMore engine would match (being MTD is owned by Stanley-Black and Decker, the company that also happens to own DeWalt).
that's a pretty good idea!
The bad thing about these Battery mower run times is that those times they claim are under zero load. Once you start cutting anything, that time drops in relation with the load put against the mower...and dramatically.
75 minutes with no load might equal 50 minutes under a standard load, and ultimately end up at 35 minutes or less under heavy load (higher/thicker grass). I've had an Ego 2156sp for 3 years now and while I love the idea behind these Battery mowers, we need a lot of work on energy storage technology before these can really compete with gas on anything bigger than a small to medium yard.
yes I do believe you are absolutely correct about the run time. Staring to sound like the EV companies and their estimated ranges, which are a bit higher than reality
@@donjohnson1416 I think you should re-read my original post and reformulate your response a bit. I'll be glad to respond to your talking point, but I just want to make sure you were able to comprehend what I said.
energy density is what I'm complaining about, but I think you already knew that.
Replace it with a gas motor. The technology is not there yet. How about a hybrid? Maybe the manufactures should look into that.
that's my thought too, I like the idea of a hybrid
Seems like the Stihl just takes one battery but it has a charger with a blower so it doesn't take long to charge. It always runs plenty to trim with so we've never had to run a total run time. It runs the medium capacity battery and the economy setting for speed and always self propell and it looks a lot like the DeWalt, but they all do. The Craftsman does also but since it usually just goes down into the 70# battery usage it usually charges in a couple of hours but it uses a big amperage charger but it's a big battery and looks like a gas job. The Stihl is super quiet but the Craftsman has the usual deck roar but is super smooth but gets interesting in tight places. Good and bad but I've got it to do this afternoon. Job security. Happy weekend!
thank you and it turns out the chargers that come with this mower, are extremely slow at a little over 1 amp! I'm sure if this had the 4amp charger, I wouldn't have to wait this long
@@HomeGaragechannel My DeWalt stuff is slow but they have a slow charger but my batteries are newer probably. We're all in a new land with this battery stuff and will have to learn together.
@@HomeGaragechannel The charger for the Craftsman is 650 watts.No wonder it'll do the deal in 2 hours plus or minus.
agreed and I'm ready to learn
that makes sense
On the questions on batteries when they are too low to recharge do you suggest to boost them with another battery (by two wires positive to positive negative to negative any brand of battery as the charger )to get the minimum charge required to recharge the battery through recharger?😊
yes I would and that's mainly because the newer chargers, won't charge them unless they have a somewhat decent charge on them to begin with
DeWALT batteries have all the balance leads exposed on the connector (middle contacts are double-stacked). I use this to connect a BT-C3400 cell charger to charge each bank one at a time. Of course, you can also just take it apart and use alligator clips but I’ve begun taking my Maddox back probe leads to flea markets so I can check used batteries with my meter without even opening them. ;)
Hey bro what's up? In my opinion, there isn't any right or wrong answers here mostly because it's due to trial and error. I believe that getting replacement batteries will be the smarter move but since these batteries are so expensive it will put a huge dent in your pocket. I'll be using gas powered equipment for as long as it is available and when my options are limited to only battery powered equipment then I probably get one then.
well said!
Nice video! I have the same problem but my batteries both test at full 20v. The motor runs with the blade removed. Then, with blade still removed, I engaged the self propelled and it died again. It seems like either vibrations or load applied to the motor makes it stop. All I caught from the video is that you cleaned it and charged the batteries. What else did you do to get it to run?
I apologize, I didn't do a great job presenting the repair because the way I went about it was not my usual way. The gist of this one, was the batteries were the problem. On initial start up, the battery voltage would drop too far, and the safety system kicked in and stopped it from working. Once I got the batteries charged up to full, the voltage "sag" wasn't enough to keep it from running. As for your situation, I would borrow two good batteries from a different mower to test with. I'm sure your batteries are testing at 20 volts but are probably dropping below 10 volts when putting a "real load" on it.
@@HomeGaragechannel Yes, I have discovered that the mower dislikes one of the 10ah batteries. All of the terminals match voltage in the batteries, so I can’t figure out why it dislikes just the one. It will run with a mix of other batteries, but none of them are a high enough amp hour to be useful on my lawn. You’re right, it must be dropping voltage or not have the amperage the lawnmower requires. That battery runs my drills just fine though. I’m not looking forward to a world run by batteries. Thanks for your video and for sharing your knowledge!
no problem and thank you for the update
Use a hoverboard and rc controler to make a RC-mower
nice idea
Word of caution if you swap the motor for an engine..
Motor = requires electricity
Engine = Runs off Combustion
Motors and engines are not the same. (I will die on this hill)
Be wary that the engine mount hole may be smaller for an electric motor, vs the gasoline engine. Modification of the deck may be required, but could cause the deck to weaken
Funny you mention that, because it bugs me too when people call engines motors and vice vera. Massive difference. I'm with you.
It’s the exact same cutout, bolt pattern and shaft length on these MTD mowers, I’ve swapped them out before.
I'll keep that in mind. thank you!
It's good to know that it's possible
Electric mowers are not the future, they are horrible
I know right!
🚨 If possible, try not to use chrome sockets with impacts. The chrome sockets are not designed for impact use like the black sockets are and could shatter, causing injury.
thanks and I'll keep that in mind
Well if the administration is going to force us to use these you might as well get some experience built up with these. I would like to see you tackle those batteries sir. But it's your machine so you can do whatever you want 😊
you are correct, I plan to keep using what I've got, but I'm also trying to get the experience I need with these to help those that might need the help
Cant you replace the bad cells? Thats what i have done with my old 18v batteries.
mixing new and old cells from different bands is a bad recipe.
I can tell you that any battery tool will act like that when the battery is low charge to keep it from going below the point of no charge all mine do it replace the batteries and it will be good to run or get adapters for it to run a different battery brand
thank you and that's a good idea!
hey so my push mower has lost power, it gained some once the air filter was cleaned, theres also a hole on the deck on the top, could it be the hole causing it lose power?
I doubt it. Have you considered doing a tune up on the mower?
@@HomeGaragechannel Im probably going to attempt it and see what happens after watching more of your videos on them. Do you think the hole which is about the size of a bit smaller baseball poses a safety risk?
yes I do
I had an electric mower a few years ago but after the batteries died I decided to back to gas. Batteries too expensive.
thank you for sharing your experience
I would be leery about rebuilding a lithium battery, but that’s just me. I would convert this mower to gas and put it on the market. I would recycle those batteries and get them away from my house for fear of them burning it down.
agreed
Fyi, that charger is the standard charger. Fast charger is yellow
yes this is the cheaper slow charger, it's means to try and keep the batteries from degrading as opposed to using the 4 or 6 amp chargers for power tools
Good question? I have no answer for this one, but suggest the easiest.
great response, I'm definitely considering all my options
Relist it for free and pass it on the the next victim😂
LOL!!!
It's really horrible that they are transitioning to completely replace gas mowers with these battery powered ones.
They're a great option but far from a replacement.
when you take into account the cost of batteries plus the missed charge on the electrical bill, I bet there is little to no savings at all.
Like wise battery and electrical production has to come from somewhere and not all electrical comes from 0 carbon plants.
Are you saving the planet at all or just adding waste by pushing these into the market?
Let's be real about something that everyone seems to overlook.
Corded electrical mowers have been around for ever and very few use them (not too convenient unless you have a really small yard).
But the capability too make battery powered mowers was over looked for a very long time (I think the reason is obvious).
I for one don't buy the battery technology excuse.
Both NiCad and Marine grade gel cell will suffice just not as efficient but may even exceed in longevity of life span if you look at real world evidence instead of advertised hype.
I think it's just another case of planned obsolescence finding it's way into a new market.
They're even trying to push it into the commercial market now and I find it simply astounding how many are falling for it.
Those batteries aren't cheap and have to be bought in abundance then they have to create charging stations not to mention the fact you point out when it comes to cleaning.
It's really going to suck when it becomes near impossible to find gas powered equipment .
Even worse if they ban the use of them so that they can feed the battery powered garbage down your throat.
thank you for sharing this, very eye opening
@@donjohnson1416 Of coarse I haven't monitored the exact charge but have you noticed that since light bulbs went from incandescent, to florescent, to now LED the electric bill has only gone up?
When you plug these chargers in they have a truly minimal, but ever present draw (the kind of draw that would leave you unable to go to work in the morning in your car if it was drawing the power from your 12v battery over night.).
Likewise how many people charge, remove, and cycle batteries vise leaving them on the charger till the next use?
How long does 1 gallon of gas last to 1 mowers use?
How many gallons do you have to buy to equal just the cost of the battery/batteries?
PC's run on 12 volt power supply's but not too many people think that's the most affordable piece of equipment in the office.
Ever feel the charger for a laptop while in use?
Generally speaking that's the same batteries (generally 19v Liion batteries/battery pack).
Do you believe that tool battery chargers are more efficient?
How about the physics involved in the transfer of power from one source, say fossil fuels, to A/C electrical, to D/C storage.
When you factor in heat dissipation how close do you think the efficiency is compared to fossil fuel direct drive?
Regardless battery powered equipment is only feasible for small scale use.
Where I am there is no real dormant season but I really feel bad for people that are going to learn the hard way that batteries don't care to be shelved any more the petroleum for seasonal use perhaps even less.
But to each their own if you want to be a blind globalist go for it, have all the batteries you want.
It won't be long and batteries will be the next plastic that was supposed to be recycled and low and behold it's all a farce.
@@donjohnson1416 I don't need a response.
Basic physics will tell you that I'm correct and battery power can never compare to gas.
I mean sure If you have a killer solar system at home and the cost of the equipment (and the 10 year interval of replacement panels and inverters and whatever else may fail) is less then your actual electric bill anyhow and you want to extend those savings toward a few gallons of gas every year well then more power to ya. But most people don't get any of that equipment for free.
Just like with solar most people simply look at the savings on the electric bill and completely disregard that those savings will go to replacement parts in the future IE no savings at all.
In this case same with gas.
The environmental impact is just the same.
It's a simple case of rob from one to pay the other.
Do you know where most plastics come from?
Petroleum!
Simple fact is if you don't want to live like a cave man you can't get away from petroleum.
In order to respond at all you are using a device that has an environmental impact.
If people continue down this road that's exactly where we'll be.
I'n the dark, besides when those that have fooled us into getting rid of all our stuff say we can have temporary and monitored access to equipment that has any environmental impact as deemed by them.
Some even want to get rid of cows because of farts.
Just sayin.
Don't get me wrong.
I like battery powered equipment.
It can be fun and convenient.
It just doesn't compare at all to gas powered equipment.
Those 20v batteries always get about 18v even when new the 20v is just a marketing thing. 20v is the "max" you can get from those batteries, at least in their testing.
That being said, they shouldn't discharge as fast as yours did.
that's interesting, all the video I saw, had the batteries measuring at 20 volts, right off the charger.
I agree
It’s true that these are the same as any other 18v tool battery but all 18v battery packs are supposed to charge to nearly 21v (4.2v per cell/bank in a 5S configuration). They were definitely reading low.
18v is the nominal voltage (3.6v per cell). 20.9v is the fully charged voltage (4.18v per cell). 15v is the fully discharged voltage (3v per cell).
Replace with petrol engine 😊
agreed
what degreaser do you use?
I use Super Heavy Duty Degreaser from Harbor Freight
@@HomeGaragechannel Thank you
no problem
The same with used E bikes and cars. They all need really expensive batteries.
agreed
@@donjohnson1416 when a tesla has lost 60% of its capacity they tell you it’s only lost 15%. Make the owner think there are no problems.
Seems 4 years it past its useful life span. I think you should recycle the Lawn mower and buy a new one. That's what the EPA wants.
thank you and it would seem that way
Pull the battery packs apart, & replace the cells. They aren't expensive. Buying a new battery is very expensive. Another way is to buy a DeWalt power tool kit that uses the same battery type, with 2 batteries, and you're good to go.
yes I've considered buying a kit to get new batteries. I also considered replacing bad cells, but I'm worried about mis-matching brands and also of an unbalance between the new and old cells.
@@HomeGaragechannel I would simply repack the battery. If you can get them, buy Samsung cells. They are better than Panasonic.
that's what I've found out as well. Thank you for confirming that
@@HomeGaragechannel glad I could help.
Amazon sells those batteries for $347 a pair. Aftermarket about $100. Get a gas mower before Democrats outlaw them.
Man democrats don’t have nothing to do with that all the company’s sending. There jobs over seas. To get cheaper labor I don’t care got neither but at end of the day when have you seen a president care about an American you see who own all the gas stations not Americans so who do you think they care for ?
The companies are pushing the battery stuff. They are cheap to make and they get more money from things like buying batteries. With fas they don't make anything after it's sold.
thank you for the information
@@GeneG-wk2mzThen why are Democratic run states banning them? While the other state's are not? Why is Home Depot not selling gas powered equipment after 2028? Hmmm.
@@mgomez5606 point taken, I'll be more careful in the future.
Every one of my customers who gave me their gas mowers after they bought battery, 1 year 2 year, and 3 year, all want their gas powered mowers back, it's really sad, the battery loses charge time from the day you buy it.
I end up selling them a used gas powered mower, they ask me do I want their battery powered mower, I tell em no, just do me a favor, and tell everyone you know that wants to buy battery, not to.
thank you for sharing that, and yes the fact that they loose some capacity from day one, is a bit frustrating
I understand that everything is trying to go green… the problem is the price for batteries… if it was me I would pull the electric motor off and put a gas one on their… But keep the electric motor for future use as a spare…
I like that idea a lot
I could think of a lot better mowers to buy for $300, than the batteries for an electric one.
I am scarred of battery eqipment😢
I know what you mean
I would attempt to restore the batteries by replacing the bad cells.
thank you
I'd rather get a goat 🐐
I'd love to have one too
Put a gas motor on the deck
great choice
I would purchase non-genuine batteries for 1/3rd of the price.
that's an option
I’d put a gas engine on it and be done. 4 years old and these batteries are cooked. I go longer than that before changing a spark plug on my Hondas.
I hear that
Flash the batteries.
is that the thing where you use high voltage from a welder?
@@HomeGaragechannel Think you can use a similar battery to do it.
I see
I think that's a real good idea to take an electric motor off and put my gas motor I will fight as long as I ain't going to buy one of those then turn around keep buying batteries and on top of that the grid cannot handle that everybody charging their batteries over and over I still bet we're about 10 to 20 years out yet figure out these batteries that's just my opinion thank you for the video
thank you and I always appreciate your insight
replace with gas engine.
Thank you Scott Johnson
Until they make LiFePO4 battery lawn mowers I'll stick with gasoline power.
I like this comment
convert to gasoline engine,
agreed
just get a pressure washer engine and makeshift a gas mower.
that's an idea, however the shaft on the pressure washer engine is short, and I mean extremely short
It's DEWALT it belongs on the curb and buy brushless Milwaukee impacts
NICE!
That blade is tiny looking!
yes it's very thin and light to save power
Gasoline engine
thank you
I would never buy a electric mower
I know right
electric crap it is. try cutting a thick healthy lawn and it will bog down .a 22 inch gas mower is what smart people use.................
true
Throw away cultural is NOT going green.
agreed
Donate the mower to me
Still plan on making videos on this one
I’ve got a couple broken ones south of ATL.