You are being very brave and this is a book by itself in steps of informing -real life experience, feelings on different levels , healing process , and true expression of it all. So real and helpful i believe.
As I said previously, I’ve watched all of your posts in the last few hours today. I have so many questions regarding what’s been taking place with IHOPKC. We were impacted by the movement years ago. But we lost touch about 14 years ago. I’ve not followed much of Mike Bickle’s teaching…only some of his late 90’s audiotapes regarding his testimony and the Song of Solomon teaching of the Bridegroom and His Bride-the Church. When the news came out last Fall that Mike was being accused of SA, I didn’t believe it. But before long it was easy to discern he did do it and he and his cronies were covering it up. Then the gross and nasty story of Bob Hartley surfaced…and then the weird, bizarre email from Mike to Jane Doe’s husband was posted. Thank you for deciphering that for us. You did an excellent job!! I will go back and watch your posts again. My question is, if Mike is a a narcissist, is he capable of knowing he’s a narcissist and is in the wrong? Can he have empathy? And if he’s mentally ill, will God hold him accountable for the terrible things he has done? I’m concerned there are other mega church leaders who are operating from narcissistic tactics as well. But how do we detect them and root them out, when they are able to hide their insanity so well? Hillsong’s Brian Houston hid his father’s pedo abuse. It was revealed he had affairs and was finally made to stand down. But now he and his wife plan to start another church. Boz Tchividian with G.R.A.C.E., observes that the dynamic of putting these individuals in an elevated position where they speak before crowds several times a week, hatches this problem. They often have no accountability and begin to believe they are special and above reproach. Boz’ brother was also a pastor of a large church and engaged in an affair. He divorced his wife and married the women he trifled with. Anyway, it’s so unfortunate we’re having this blow up in the midst of worldwide distress, when the world needs the church to be strong, resilient and mature.
So here’s another question. Paul Cain was one of the men who was present at the beginning of IHOPKC. His past was very strange. He was a h@m@sexual and had worked for the C!A. We’re now learning of the various organizations that have been practicing m!nd c@ntr@l and abuses for decades. There’s the story of Scient@l@gy’s @ccult!c origins. Now, we have this bizarre story unfolding with IHOPKC. How much of all of this is actually orchestrated to destroy foundational principles of our society?
Hey hey, started at Bickle what what, then decided to come back to the beginning. Just keep it up. Some desperately lost and broken peeps out here who will likely (realistically) never be the same again, never truly heal again (until That Day! ❤) and your .....ouch..... suffering is comforting and reassuring that there is madness out there, and that some of us have been victims of it. Yup... it's ok to just stop, breathe and realise that no matter how many times "we" are told "you're not a victim", perhaps we are, and we can start here. Victim. Desperate. In pain. Just needing to talk, or listen or both or neither, but to be allowed to exist without being reframed. Wish that made more sense... but... dude, just keep going. And thank you for posting this.
Makes a ton of sense to me 💔 Thank you for the encouragement. I hate that you can relate. Yes I think there is appropriate lament for having been prey to a wolf in sheep’s clothing. I don’t claim to have certain knowledge of what God thinks anymore these days, but I feel pretty confident that he has been sooooo much kinder and more patient with the grieving/untangling process than the majority of fellow believers/churchgoers who haven’t been on that journey before. Keep hanging in there in there, you are not alone. I think it’s okay if our faith never looks the same…sometimes we can use the joyful innocence of our faith and gain something much greater and more grounded. We learned something about God and humanity that we only have to learn one time, and our voices are necessary add to the discussion 🤍 Thank you again
Wow! My husband is a therapist and I cannot wait to bless him with your very brave and vulnerable example of sharing your heart. We’ve also experienced abuse in the church. Although we experienced the benefits of knowing more facets of who God is, we also experienced ‘the religiosity’ of IHOPKC’s Forerunner ministry when a 24/7 prayer hub was added to our church. We left that church 14 years ago and have struggled finding a church ever since. The pastor of that church eventually left and the 24/7 prayer hub dissolved. The church and the small town where it resides is struggling greatly. Personally, the presence of Holy Spirit during that season was real and tangible and life changing. I cannot go back to three hymns and a dry sermon. So, I have lots of questions about this phenomena. And I ask Abba, ‘what gives’ very often about it. I’ve watched all of the posts you’ve provided here. A lot has transpired in the 2 months since you provided these for us. I hope you’ll come back and share more insight with us. Thank you for doing this. You have an incredible gift of communication. Please continue using it here. ❤️
Don’t be embarrassed I came out last year and the way these ministries can mess up your mind due to manipulation, control, and the abuse of honor…it can be hard to articulate it to others.
Thank you!❤ I grappled with whether or not to post it, but (so far) it's been my only crying video and it's getting easier 😅 It's all very hard to put words to but someone's gotta try, right!?
Wow...I just listened to over 9 minutes of confused and chaotic ramblings of something that isn't addressed at all. What is this woman's objections and to WHAT??? I rarely hear someone talking so much and saying so little. I could sympathize if I knew what you were trying to explain, but I don't think you know either. You have a gripe, but no one knows what it is.
Hey Rick! Lol, I'm sorry I should have put a disclaimer on this platform to let all listeners know that I don't make it very far in this video. I shared this about a month ago with friends/family on my private social media and let everyone know that the purpose of this video was more to document how difficult it was to begin talking about such a loaded issue. It was not intended to be a standalone video. Thanks for spending 9 minutes of your time; sorry it was not worthwhile; that is totally valid!😅
I just realized that I am able to edit video descriptions, so I took your feedback to heart and added a section at the beginning about there not being much content in this video. Even though I felt like you were not super gentle in your feedback (lol), I appreciate it nonetheless.
Huge thank you for letting us see your pain in order to help US heal!! Wow… truly unselfish of you and I wish I could hug u right now!! I stumbled upon your channel a wk or so ago, and God used you to help me recognize that what I’ve been through has a name and comes from a playbook! This was a very important step in helping me to begin to heal, and u have my heartfelt thanks. Ok gonna watch the rest of this series now. God Bless💖
@bethandryan I know this may sound unusual, but I have a TH-cam channel called @churchdropout and I would like to interview you, if you are willing. Your background, expertise, and your care and concern for this topic are amazing! I did not see an email address to send this to. Please delete this message if this is inappropriate.
You are being very brave and this is a book by itself in steps of informing -real life experience, feelings on different levels , healing process , and true expression of it all. So real and helpful i believe.
I love that you left this up. I haven't watched the whole thing but so appreciate your transparency in your process. ❤️❤️❤️ nice work!! 🎉
Thank you for being willing to help other people process.
As I said previously, I’ve watched all of your posts in the last few hours today. I have so many questions regarding what’s been taking place with IHOPKC. We were impacted by the movement years ago. But we lost touch about 14 years ago. I’ve not followed much of Mike Bickle’s teaching…only some of his late 90’s audiotapes regarding his testimony and the Song of Solomon teaching of the Bridegroom and His Bride-the Church. When the news came out last Fall that Mike was being accused of SA, I didn’t believe it. But before long it was easy to discern he did do it and he and his cronies were covering it up. Then the gross and nasty story of Bob Hartley surfaced…and then the weird, bizarre email from Mike to Jane Doe’s husband was posted. Thank you for deciphering that for us. You did an excellent job!! I will go back and watch your posts again. My question is, if Mike is a a narcissist, is he capable of knowing he’s a narcissist and is in the wrong? Can he have empathy? And if he’s mentally ill, will God hold him accountable for the terrible things he has done? I’m concerned there are other mega church leaders who are operating from narcissistic tactics as well. But how do we detect them and root them out, when they are able to hide their insanity so well? Hillsong’s Brian Houston hid his father’s pedo abuse. It was revealed he had affairs and was finally made to stand down. But now he and his wife plan to start another church. Boz Tchividian with G.R.A.C.E., observes that the dynamic of putting these individuals in an elevated position where they speak before crowds several times a week, hatches this problem. They often have no accountability and begin to believe they are special and above reproach. Boz’ brother was also a pastor of a large church and engaged in an affair. He divorced his wife and married the women he trifled with. Anyway, it’s so unfortunate we’re having this blow up in the midst of worldwide distress, when the world needs the church to be strong, resilient and mature.
So here’s another question. Paul Cain was one of the men who was present at the beginning of IHOPKC. His past was very strange. He was a h@m@sexual and had worked for the C!A. We’re now learning of the various organizations that have been practicing m!nd c@ntr@l and abuses for decades. There’s the story of Scient@l@gy’s @ccult!c origins. Now, we have this bizarre story unfolding with IHOPKC. How much of all of this is actually orchestrated to destroy foundational principles of our society?
Hey hey, started at Bickle what what, then decided to come back to the beginning. Just keep it up. Some desperately lost and broken peeps out here who will likely (realistically) never be the same again, never truly heal again (until That Day! ❤) and your .....ouch..... suffering is comforting and reassuring that there is madness out there, and that some of us have been victims of it. Yup... it's ok to just stop, breathe and realise that no matter how many times "we" are told "you're not a victim", perhaps we are, and we can start here. Victim. Desperate. In pain. Just needing to talk, or listen or both or neither, but to be allowed to exist without being reframed.
Wish that made more sense... but... dude, just keep going. And thank you for posting this.
Makes a ton of sense to me 💔
Thank you for the encouragement. I hate that you can relate. Yes I think there is appropriate lament for having been prey to a wolf in sheep’s clothing. I don’t claim to have certain knowledge of what God thinks anymore these days, but I feel pretty confident that he has been sooooo much kinder and more patient with the grieving/untangling process than the majority of fellow believers/churchgoers who haven’t been on that journey before. Keep hanging in there in there, you are not alone. I think it’s okay if our faith never looks the same…sometimes we can use the joyful innocence of our faith and gain something much greater and more grounded. We learned something about God and humanity that we only have to learn one time, and our voices are necessary add to the discussion 🤍
Thank you again
Wow! My husband is a therapist and I cannot wait to bless him with your very brave and vulnerable example of sharing your heart. We’ve also experienced abuse in the church. Although we experienced the benefits of knowing more facets of who God is, we also experienced ‘the religiosity’ of IHOPKC’s Forerunner ministry when a 24/7 prayer hub was added to our church. We left that church 14 years ago and have struggled finding a church ever since. The pastor of that church eventually left and the 24/7 prayer hub dissolved. The church and the small town where it resides is struggling greatly. Personally, the presence of Holy Spirit during that season was real and tangible and life changing. I cannot go back to three hymns and a dry sermon. So, I have lots of questions about this phenomena. And I ask Abba, ‘what gives’ very often about it. I’ve watched all of the posts you’ve provided here. A lot has transpired in the 2 months since you provided these for us. I hope you’ll come back and share more insight with us. Thank you for doing this. You have an incredible gift of communication. Please continue using it here. ❤️
Don’t be embarrassed I came out last year and the way these ministries can mess up your mind due to manipulation, control, and the abuse of honor…it can be hard to articulate it to others.
Thank you!❤ I grappled with whether or not to post it, but (so far) it's been my only crying video and it's getting easier 😅 It's all very hard to put words to but someone's gotta try, right!?
What does God's word say on this???. Start there. Maybe,....it's perception .
Wow...I just listened to over 9 minutes of confused and chaotic ramblings of something that isn't addressed at all. What is this woman's objections and to WHAT??? I rarely hear someone talking so much and saying so little. I could sympathize if I knew what you were trying to explain, but I don't think you know either. You have a gripe, but no one knows what it is.
Hey Rick! Lol, I'm sorry I should have put a disclaimer on this platform to let all listeners know that I don't make it very far in this video. I shared this about a month ago with friends/family on my private social media and let everyone know that the purpose of this video was more to document how difficult it was to begin talking about such a loaded issue. It was not intended to be a standalone video.
Thanks for spending 9 minutes of your time; sorry it was not worthwhile; that is totally valid!😅
I just realized that I am able to edit video descriptions, so I took your feedback to heart and added a section at the beginning about there not being much content in this video. Even though I felt like you were not super gentle in your feedback (lol), I appreciate it nonetheless.
You are amazing!! This is so vulnerable and real. So true to what the process actually looks like. Thank you for sharing.
Huge thank you for letting us see your pain in order to help US heal!! Wow… truly unselfish of you and I wish I could hug u right now!! I stumbled upon your channel a wk or so ago, and God used you to help me recognize that what I’ve been through has a name and comes from a playbook! This was a very important step in helping me to begin to heal, and u have my heartfelt thanks. Ok gonna watch the rest of this series now. God Bless💖
Be encouraged. Thank you for having the courage to hit record!
@bethandryan I know this may sound unusual, but I have a TH-cam channel called @churchdropout and I would like to interview you, if you are willing. Your background, expertise, and your care and concern for this topic are amazing! I did not see an email address to send this to. Please delete this message if this is inappropriate.
You are right on everything you say even if its nice or good.
If you are foreal about something you dont let.compliments get in the way.i started out with.good compliments.
I think this video should be retitled, “terrified of public speaking”.
Thank God you didn’t “chicken out”🥹 thank you for your vulnerability 🙏🏽
Truly, thank you for the encouragement. It was SO hard to figure out where to start with such a loaded issue, so I am thankful for your kindness.
❤️