And I think one more reason Agatha told amateur witches that the Road doesn’t exist simply because it’s no point in taking power from a newbie. Gullible seasoned witches brought more juice. Why wasting your time on tiny bit of magic from amateurs.
yeah it makes sense why she initially told billy it was a myth even though she had no power. if alice’s blast wasn’t enough to fully power her up there was no reason to believe she could get any ounce of power from a teenager who’d only recently started practising
I've said this elsewhere: Episode 7 was my favorite stand alone episode, but episode 4 was the episode most improved by the finale. Because in the finale we learn that Lorna Wu truly was the best student of the balad because she was the only witch to recognize it for what it was: a love song to a child she was powerless to protect.
@@humam9189 yep and also the fact that she died fulfilling her purpose as being a protection witch rather than living the rest of her life as a boring store person
My biggest criticism of the Marvel Disney plus shows have always been that the last episodes felt rushed and nothing feels resolved. This is why you separate it to a Marvel Television. This felt like a TV series and the finale felt resolute. Loved this series. And Joe Locke as Billy Maximoff is perfect casting.
When Agatha was telling Nicky about the limitation of her power, she was basically saying that she needed a potions witch, a protection witch, and a divination witch.
And, its possible those witched when she said "my sisters and I can help you" could have healed his illness... but Agatha is too far down this dark road already 😕
Don’t think anything could heal/ help him. It’s implied that death is inevitable and Death did her a favor by giving her time but ultimately had to take him away regardless
@@oscaresparza7709 But Agatha was too focused on killing witches to treat him better and make sure he was well fed and cared for... we don't know if he could have lived a bit longer if he didn't constantly sleep on the ground in the woods. She had mind control powers she could have used them more creative ways if she wanted to. Also she could have killed the witches after they helped him... IMO she was addicted to power and she acted like and addict constantly looking for the next fix dragging her kid along and using him to lure witches.
@@necrona in the ep, you can notice nicky only died the night agatha didn't kill a witch. She didn't kill them just for power, it kept death at bay with the bodies she's giving, at least that's how it was implied. When agatha said to her son that she's doing it for survival, she meant it literally
@@lxlYukilxl There are not enough witches on the planet to kill 4-5 every night... and she did it before Nicky was born too and kept doing it after he died so it has nothing to do with him. If you were right then she had no reason to be afraid to face him... after all, according to you she did nothing wrong. But IMO she prioritized her addiction and called it necessity to justify it and by now he knows the truth and she doesn't want to face him.
It just dawned on me that in Wandavision when Tommy said you can fix the dead(or something like that) and Agatha said "You can do that?" She was genuinely interested because her son was dead.
@@sleepingsquire5753 Oh that was clear to me at the time. That she killed Sparky not just for the Evilz, but that she thought at that point that Wanda had brought Vision back from the dead, and she wanted to see how Wanda had done such a thing she had never seen before. The reason behind why (other than curiosity or more power than she imagined) becomes clear now.
Now we know why Agatha was adament about the lyrics of Coven two or Coven True. It adds so much more weight to Agatha's POV saying "No, Its coven TWO" when they were arguing over the lyrics. Not only does she *actually* know as co-creator of the song, but she knows who the two are.
@jarvis1393 possibly. But it's also possible that Death came the night that Nickolas asserted himself and became his own person when he saved those witches.
@@heimsuchenI don’t believe that’s what succubus is. Succubus is a female demon that visits men while they’re asleep, to have intimate intercourse with them night after night to make them ill and lose their mind. That’s not what Agatha does
If you remember in episode 3, Rio told Agatha while they were leaning over the intercom "you get your power and I get my souls." The deal was that Agatha delivers witches in exchange for her newborn (and possibly her as well?) to stay alive.
It was wonderful, and seeing Wiccan in his suit is just an absolute dream come true. Joe Locke has done a phenomenal job brining my favorite character in all of media to life.
I thought she already had the darkhold when she killed her mom and the Salem coven?? But I like the idea, a parallel between Agatha and Wanda, both taking the Book of the Damned to search for their children, and the only difference is Wanda's chaos magic.
Where did y'all get the idea that she already had the Darkhold while with Nicky? She clearly didn't, otherwise she may have had the power to help him. Her mom said she was born evil because of her power of taking from others, she was always like this.
I hope folks realize that after seeing the flashback of Agatha and Nicholas that when Agatha hears "Mama Stop!" In Episode 5 that is her actually hearing Nicholas and not a recall. Which is probably why she is afraid to see him because of all the things she has done. It really makes the moment so much more powerful.
This is a good point and gives new context to why she was crying and freaked out when she was back on the road by herself right after. I thought it was remorse for killing Alice but it likely had much more to do with hearing her son.
It was really genius the way they split the finale into two episodes. I was skeptical at first, but it was just really good storytelling. Episode eight is the resolution of the road and the confrontation with death. Episode nine is the emotional finale that wraps up Agatha’s story that we still didn’t know and sets it up for the next chapter. Great writing.
I literally paused the video just to find this comment. Not bc is my favorite part but bc I was like "someone else had to see this! lol Hector, just give up and watch the show, man!"
After Lilia’s episode ended I knew none of them were coming back. My heart still hurts for Alice. Getting taken out right after lifting her family’s curse. Such a tragic death.
@dumpyqueen321 I told a friend humanity is what she was missing. She wanted power but the road doesn't care about wants, just what your missing. Pre road Agatha wouldn't have sacrificed herself.
Rio gesturing to Nicky to kiss Agatha goodbye really hit me. Such a sweet moment and telling of how Rio felt about her, which makes me more curious about what happened between them all those years after until now.
24:34 the contrast between him saying "it was me" vs Monica saying "it was Wanda" is astounding. Wanda had to relive all of her trauma to realize she did something spectacular. Billy just had to come back to his damn room in real life. I cannot wait until he realizes how much like his mother he is and embraces that.
@@fritzyloop4028 eh, it make sense, since Wanda was only his mother for like a week and he forgot about it so he doesnt have any attachment for Wanda at that moment since his(or William's) mother was with him for 3 years instead
He barely has memories of her, and for all he knows, she gqve up on them. He doesn't understand what she did during Wandavision and doesn't know what she did in MoM. He's like a kid who was adopted by loving parents. He grew attached to them and doesn't have memories of his bio mom, may think she abandoned him. I wonder if Tommy, someone without a good and loving family in this new life, will pressure Billy to find Wanda (and Vision?)
From what I've seen of Death in the comics they got her look REALLY GOOD. The ending twist was great and kept up with all the other ones they gave us this series....would love a follow up series of Billy and Agatha looking for Tommy while Agatha teaches Billy about Magick like she did for Wanda in the comics!
Well the third part of this story is gonna be the vision quest show they're making, which will be centered around white vision and apparently have ultron return. So maybe Tommy will show up.
@@dr.rockso2703 sorry for the late reply, but i wonder if that story will be about identity. i remember there was a video after wandavision that talked about ship of theseus (white vision was a blank slate, got gifted memories from vision, so who's the real vision etc). billy's question of "am I billy or am i william" wasnt fully answered (he loves william's parents sure, he has a life with the bf, but he has a want to find tommy of his billy life), and maybe tommy might go thru the same arc (i was a kid for a few days, i died, then i got reborn into this body that other kids accidentally killed?)
I'm glad you kept in the reactions of Agatha explaining, at least for the audiences, that Billy did not kill that boy so Tommy could live. I've noticed that a lot of people miss that moment and don't understand that he was going to die regardless. Billy is not responsible for the deaths on the road even if he blames himself, at least in my opinion. He created it with his mind, yes, but it was also 'Magick on Autopilot'. All the witches who entered the road knew the risks they were taking, they all knew the road was a deathtrap and they could die including Billy (and he was in just as mortal danger as them). The only one who didn't know or accept the possible consequences was Sharon and her death can only be placed on Agatha's feet because she brought her there. There also a subtle difference between what Wanda did and what Billy did- she was able to manipulate matter and change it, but except for Billy and Tommy's souls, she didn't actually create something new- just changed things. Billy on the other hand created an entire pocket dimension without any magick exploding from him or any knowledge of it until afterwards (Wanda figured it out at some point and continued with her control over Westview). That takes an insane amount of power. In the comics he is more powerful than she is and I believe they are going this route too. Currently, he is likely the most power person in the MCU.
Agatha meant she created Nicholas the “old fashioned way” as in used no magic. She couldn’t create him by herself without a father because she didn’t have the chaos magic Wanda had that made her powerful enough to create Billy and Tommy. So he most likely had a father but he wasn’t significant enough to be put onscreen.
@@apples5229 No, he was literally created from nothing at all, no man, no magic, etc (Kathryn even said so in an interview - witches had babies without men). However, the implication is that RIO created him within Agatha. She loved Agatha so much, she helped create life within her (she’s THE Green Witch, meaning that she’s capable of creating life AND death). Also, this is further proved when Nicky says “my mom needs me home” when Agatha was right there with him in the same room and she looked very confused when he said that (he calls Agatha mama and, presumably, calls Rio mom). Agatha knew he was talking about Rio, that’s why when she lost sight of him, she was running after him looking so worried, she thought Rio had finally taken him.
@@somewhereonlyweknow2814I don’t think so. Nicholas was supposed to die in childbirth which is why Rio showed up when Agatha was in labor. It wouldn’t make sense for her to create a child for her love only to end his life before it began. Agatha touched on him not being created by magic when she said she didn’t use a spell or incantation and he was made from scratch. When Nicholas said his mother needed him home, he was making an excuse to not join the witches for a meal because he didn’t want Agatha to kill them. She looked confused because it was part of the con for Nicky to get the witches to invite him for a meal, and Agatha to steal their power once she’s isolated them from the non magical people. He instead turned her down which wasn’t a part of the plan. Nicky never knew about Rio until after he died as Agatha never told him which is alluded to when tells him she doesn’t know when “she” will return and doesn’t elaborate when questioned. I say this with a discussion tone and not argumentative).
@@somewhereonlyweknow2814Agatha never would have said he was no spell, no incantation, and made from scratch had Nicholas been created by magic or by Rio. The implication of “from scratch” was she made him the way all women created children, by growing them using their own bodies and not relying on magic.
The day she skipped killing witches, then death came for her son! She was distracting her with collecting bodies. (Of course, that doesn't take away from the evilness of Agatha's character itself.) It was great to see that duality in his character throughout the series and the amount of details that we would now understand if we watch the entire series again.
What was evil? She never attacked first. Sure she egged them on and scammed them, but she never physically attacked them first. At no point do you see purple light from her magic until after the orange magic. Not saying she was a good person, but if you're the sort of person to try and kill someone just because you were scammed maybe you're not a good person either.
@@wwaxwork it all depends on your perspective of justice. There's a paradox called R&R (Reason and Result) If a person thinks the reason behind an action is the most important then they'll say that Agatha is evil. If a person thinks the result of an action matters the most then they'll say Agatha is not that evil since she got attacked first no matter what her intentions were. But technically, as we saw when Billy gave her his power, Agatha CAN stop taking power if she wants. So that makes her evil whether you believe in the importance of the Result or the Reason.
The Salem Seven were real since they existed in Westview before William conjured up the road. Alice, Lilia & Sharon aren't ghosts because they had moved on.😊
It’s great how this really came together into a story of two people desperate to deny death. I love that between Billy and Agatha we have a character clinging onto life for life’s sake, who sees life as the ultimate good, and a character running away from death not because she really wants to live, she just wants to die *less.*
I'm puzzled how they were confused about the whole "I made you from scratch" dialogue, lol. She was amazed she created him without casting a spell, without witchcraft. That she was able to create life without an incantation, amazed at how motherhood is more miraculous than magick is at turning the basics into something like a living creature. It's literally the opposite of what you think it's implying; not that she created a child with no father, as if by some spell, but in the most natural, old fashioned way possible.
This was pretty easily the best tv show to ever have the marvel label attached to it, in my opinion. I guess recency bias, but I genuinely have this in my top five marvel properties of all time, of any kind. I truly think this was an absolute masterpiece. My top 5 marvel projects ever: 1. Logan (2017) 2. Infinity War (2018) 3. Spider-Man 2 (2004) 4. Agatha All Along (2024) 5. Captain America: Winter Soldier (2014)
@ it’s number 7 or 8 for me, personally. Neck and neck with Netflix Daredevil. I liked the second season of Loki much less than the first, but it’s obviously still incredible
The reason the runtime wasn't an issue for me is that the episodes weren't split at random places. Each episode felt like their own. Yes there were cliff hangers. But each episode still felt like it's own.
It definitely felt more like a TV show. And I think Marvel Studios plans to treat them as such moving on. What a special series. So strong and knew exactly what it was doing and what type of show it was.
In the entire story Rio/Death never lied. Not once. She may have left things out, but never said anything untrue. When she collected Alice, Alice wanted more time. Rio replied "If I had a nickel..." Everyone wants more time. No one is ever ready. Rio told Agatha "No one in history has had special treatment like you have" Nicholas Scratch was a stillborn child who lived until he was six years old. In the entire story Rio/Death never lied.
I would love to see any and all of these characters again, whether it's another season of Agatha, or a coven one off next Halloween, I'll take ANYTHING!!
that part where she shouted to the growth lights she needs more time to grow the flower is the same thing she shouted to rio when nick was born and when nick was taken. So when she shouted for more time to avoid her son’s death in this she shouted for more time for the flower to bloom or at this point “live” to grow unlike nick . If that makes any sense
It never even occurred to me that that ending with Agatha and Billy searching for Tommy could be suggesting a season 2 or direct continuation story. I think it's just what they did instead of a post-credit scene: they're setting up a future project that will feature Tommy, and he'll eventually re-connect with Billy in a Young Avengers or Scarlet Witch-related project. They're describing Agatha and the Vision show as the second and third parts of a WandaVision trilogy, so it's pretty likely Tommy will be finding "Robo-Papa" next, and Billy might show up at the end or in the background, like Wanda's role in this show.
I saw this in another comment section. Good night wanna repeat it. Agatha tells nicholas I cannot heal you, i cannot protect you, and I cannot divine when she will be coming for you. She just named the 3 witches in her coven. In agatha all along. The protector, the healer, and the diviner.
I love how they adapt this Comic Agatha ghost story to replace wanda to Billy to be his mentor and the way they adapt the Witches road in the Comic too.
since rio called him nicky and was very sweet when taking him even telling him to kiss his mother goodbye, and he only ever called agatha mama, i’m going to headcanon that when he ran away saying ‘mother is calling me’ the day he died, he was talking about rio
I think Agatha's early power grabs in the finale episode were initially to keep Nicky alive and keep Death at bay, but then it all became more sinister and selfish after she lost him. I think Rio would have continued to give them more time together as long as she kept giving her bodies. Agatha says she can't cure Nicky's illness or divine when Death will come for him but, for me, it was clear that Agatha continually killing witches was keeping Death at bay. In the pub scene, we see Nicky is VERY ill, so they probably hadn't killed any witches in a while, and he consciously chose not to lure those witches to their deaths. As a result, both he and Agatha ran out of time. Later that night, I think Nicky telling Agatha, "We can kill more witches tomorrow, I promise" is more proof of this idea. I think he realized they had to keep killing witches to avoid his death, but he made it clear he didn't like doing it. Looking back on Agatha's trial, when we hear Nicky's voice say, "Mama, stop," I think it's a reasonable interpretation that Nicky hoped his death would make his mother stop killing witches (because it was no longer necessary to keep him alive). Unfortunately, it had the opposite effect.
When Agatha talks to Nicholas in the woods, she lists professions of all of the witches she needs: - "Can you make me food?" "No." (Rio) - "I cannot heal you" (Jennifer) - "I cannot protect you from what's coming (Alice) - "and I cannot divine when she will return" (Lilia) She may have the reputation of the most powerful witch, but even with all that she still would not be able to protect her son.
Billy creating everything gives a whole new dimension to the "Are you SURE??" quote from Agatha. She knew from the beginning. Such a good twist, almost like the Usual Suspects the way they used his room!
Well, the witches didn't died for nothing, all of them got what they wanted. Alice got to break her curse, Lilia got a coven, Jen got her magic back, Agatha got power, and Billy got his brother. That Alice and Lilia died was tragic but they got what they were missing, but because it wasn't the end they didn't leave the road. Only one who was a casualty was Sharon, but she wasn't a witch and didn't want anything.
As episode 8 was progressing i kept saying "how is there a whole other episode still?" Which was great because not knowing what's coming is exactly what I want when watching a good show. And then Billy gets into his room and the pieces start coming together... Oh DANG that was good. And then i STILL didn't have a clue what episode 9 was going to be. And it was great. This was a lot of fun, thanks guys for all your time and energy making these reaction videos for us to enjoy.
I agree. Treating it more like a tv show vs a movie. I didn't mind the 30-minute format this time because the first two and last two episodes were a little longer, too. If that makes sense. Plus, as you guys said, each episode did have a finality to it. I really enjoyed this show so much, and the cast was great. I look forward to seeing Joe Locke continue on as Wiccan. Plus, more Agatha, please. Kathryn Hahn is so great.
For me among Marvel TV Shows 1. Wandavision 2. Loki S2 3. Agatha All Along But I would say after Loki EP 6 of S2 , The EP 7 of Agatha all along was my favorite
When she fight Rio, she sees the moon is in the fire phase and draws a protection circle, when Rio throws a sink at her, she is saved because of Lilia's divination, when she is cut, she tries to conjure healing in the water as if a potion Its a full circle baby Same when she explains to nicky that she cannot do what other members of a coven can do to protect him
Notice that Billy was fleeing the Seven in a panic when the door to the road appeared and he was the first one to escape down the stairs, running past everyone.
Interesting little details: The road went into a circle when Billy said "We are back at square one". The road disappears and the trial opens when Billy said "Screw the road". Cabinets take away his spell book when he said "It's useless".
Wow. What an epic conclusion to a season 2 of motherly love. Wanda Vision basically gave us Wanda and how by the end you rooted for her as a mother. Now Agatha is now a conflicted mother-archetype with the audience. So good!! The other mother figure that essentially made the movie was Black Panther 2 with Angela Basset’s character Queen of Wakanda. EPIC!
If Tommy created this The Witches’ Road and both he and Jenn completed it and got back what they were missing it would be likely Tommy can create multiple The Witches’ Roads for other witches to travel and get back what they’re missing. That could be how Agatha finds redemption for the initial scam. She can pay for every witch she killed with and after Nicholas by helping them along the road Tommy creates which was based off of her original con.
“My mother needs me at home” and Nicky runs off to where he’s going to die. He only ever refers to Agatha as “Mama”. By “my mother needs me at home”, he’s saying “Rio needs me because I am going to die now.” It also shows the difference between Agatha and Rio: Rio believes it was “better to have loved and lost than never loved at all”, while Agatha is “Loving Nicky wasn’t worth the pain that came from losing him.”
It was so fun theorizing with other people weekly about what could happen next episodes. I had the best experience watching this show among any other Marvel series.
There is not going to be a season 2. From what I understand this is part 2 of a three arc overall story. The first arc was WandaVision, the second arc is Agatha all Along and the third arc will be the Vision Quest show coming up. That’s where you will see this continue.
8:15 She's a potions expert and makes "organic" self care products. Also I didn't realize it til now but Agatha actually sacrificed her self for Billy 2 times. In the final trial she helped Billy so he could get out, with no guarantee she'd make it out. Her sudden shift from "juice me up" to "we're gonna find your brother" really shows how much Agatha really cares for Billy. And of course her actual Death sacrifice but still. On initially watching I was confused why Agatha had such a sudden shift in the last trial but it makes sense. She tried her luck and Billy refused so she's just like "alright, well let's get you out of here."
no... she very clearly told him that she did NOT sacrifice herself for him, she made a calculated ri... yeah... I can't buy that either... Agatha, you sacrificed for him, ya big soft hearted evil witch
Hector asked if Lilia actually killed the Salem 7...Death did say that Lilia took them with her when she sacrificed herself. So, I assume they actually did die.
I realize that everyone's death was kinda a "realistic" depiction of dying. Billy? An accident. Sharon? Wrong place, wrong time. Alice? When it seems everything is going their way, death arrives. Lilia? It was her time. Agatha? She offers herself to death.
35:35 that is why she says in Ep8 “No billy, sometimes boys just die”…. Also, him looking at Agatha and saying: “My mother is needing me home… “ maybe talking about his other mom Rio?
5:00 - could be what allows her to be a ghost, possibly forever, allowed to stay, and be her comic-book style self - as Rio agreed, yet later, Agatha decides to be the one to die, yet, Rio didnt come for her soul, like she did Alice - but that could also be because she knew she couldnt face her kid, so she could stay around, as long as Marvel lets her - helping people, causing havoc, and faces her kid.
This might be one of the most complete marvel tv shows that has been released. The story felt completely contained but left it open enough to continue if it's going to happen. 100% agree that it felt the most like a tv show instead of just a movie that has been broken up
There was one mistake that ended up in the show, when Agatha said "I was going to kill them all on the first day, she couldn't have done that. She herself told Lilia she couldn't take their power unless they attack her with it. Since "Mrs. Hart/Sharon Davis" was not a witch so she couldn't attack, likewise Jennifer Kale, being bound COULDN'T attack her. Taking that into consideration, the only way she could have killed them would have been to attack them physically.
The insinuation that Billy is beyond Death's reach unless he chooses it is a fun little nod to his actual power level and cosmic significance in the comics. This show pulls a lot from a recent Scarlet Witch comic in which Wanda walks the Witches' Road, which is a real place, and in that story Agatha Harkness is a Ghost and serves as Wanda's mentor. The parallels are all there. I think the success and positive reception to this show might be part of the reason Marvel is suddenly pushing a Midnight Suns film. They don't want to lose momentum on this successful combo and that's a place they can land.
To Agatha's credit, she often told people that the Witches' Road didn't exist.
Yeah, and people assuming she doesn't tell amateurs bcs they think the road is dangerous not because it's actually never exist at the first place 😂
And I think one more reason Agatha told amateur witches that the Road doesn’t exist simply because it’s no point in taking power from a newbie. Gullible seasoned witches brought more juice. Why wasting your time on tiny bit of magic from amateurs.
@@KillianNg97 this is a good point!
yeah it makes sense why she initially told billy it was a myth even though she had no power. if alice’s blast wasn’t enough to fully power her up there was no reason to believe she could get any ounce of power from a teenager who’d only recently started practising
Not to mention more often than not she’s telling the truth lmao just nobody really trusted her ✋🏻😭
I've said this elsewhere:
Episode 7 was my favorite stand alone episode, but episode 4 was the episode most improved by the finale.
Because in the finale we learn that Lorna Wu truly was the best student of the balad because she was the only witch to recognize it for what it was: a love song to a child she was powerless to protect.
@@athenacooper3130 that's a very beautiful observation, Wow 😳
The Ballad was a love song between mother and child. Then Agatha turned it into a means to kill witches. Then Lorna brought it back to its roots.
Ok but by telling Alice that the Road would save her, she was basically the motivator behind Alice's decision to take up Agatha's invitation lol
@@thegreatjedi309 but in the end, it is correct, isn't it? finally alice can be free from the generational curse
@@humam9189 yep and also the fact that she died fulfilling her purpose as being a protection witch rather than living the rest of her life as a boring store person
My biggest criticism of the Marvel Disney plus shows have always been that the last episodes felt rushed and nothing feels resolved. This is why you separate it to a Marvel Television. This felt like a TV series and the finale felt resolute. Loved this series. And Joe Locke as Billy Maximoff is perfect casting.
yeah ikr! i finally felt that the finale landed perfectly with marvel disney..
is never resolved beacause there'll always be another show
it's literally called mcUNIVERSE
Not at all. Joe was not a good choice.
@@unbowedqueen your opinion is in the minority
I love that Rio was about to say "On a road that doesn't exist" but Agatha cut her off.😅
@@jonathanpowell7256 time frame???
time frame?
@@BagulitaHamilton the part where rio said "this walk with another woman's son on a road that doesn't-"
They were asking for a time stamp lol@@shroomie002
People were wondering why we were having a show about Agatha. I'm so glad this turned out in my opinion to be the best show of the MCU.
When Agatha was telling Nicky about the limitation of her power, she was basically saying that she needed a potions witch, a protection witch, and a divination witch.
And, its possible those witched when she said "my sisters and I can help you" could have healed his illness... but Agatha is too far down this dark road already 😕
Don’t think anything could heal/ help him. It’s implied that death is inevitable and Death did her a favor by giving her time but ultimately had to take him away regardless
@@oscaresparza7709 But Agatha was too focused on killing witches to treat him better and make sure he was well fed and cared for... we don't know if he could have lived a bit longer if he didn't constantly sleep on the ground in the woods. She had mind control powers she could have used them more creative ways if she wanted to.
Also she could have killed the witches after they helped him...
IMO she was addicted to power and she acted like and addict constantly looking for the next fix dragging her kid along and using him to lure witches.
@@necrona in the ep, you can notice nicky only died the night agatha didn't kill a witch. She didn't kill them just for power, it kept death at bay with the bodies she's giving, at least that's how it was implied. When agatha said to her son that she's doing it for survival, she meant it literally
@@lxlYukilxl There are not enough witches on the planet to kill 4-5 every night... and she did it before Nicky was born too and kept doing it after he died so it has nothing to do with him.
If you were right then she had no reason to be afraid to face him... after all, according to you she did nothing wrong. But IMO she prioritized her addiction and called it necessity to justify it and by now he knows the truth and she doesn't want to face him.
It just dawned on me that in Wandavision when Tommy said you can fix the dead(or something like that) and Agatha said "You can do that?" She was genuinely interested because her son was dead.
i imagine that's why she killed the dog in the first place, to see what Wanda would do about it
Good call!
@@sleepingsquire5753 Oh that was clear to me at the time. That she killed Sparky not just for the Evilz, but that she thought at that point that Wanda had brought Vision back from the dead, and she wanted to see how Wanda had done such a thing she had never seen before. The reason behind why (other than curiosity or more power than she imagined) becomes clear now.
Also, we need to put some love on Sasheer Zamata’s name, because she BODIED this role. Incendiary
@@jasonmarbach fingers crossed she gets to reprise her role as Jennifer Kale in a Midnight Suns team up with Man Thing & Werewolf by Night 🤌🏽
The fact she did all that on the road while being bound
Legit before this I knew her as a background actor on SNL. She's got the chops, I want to see much more of her 👏👏👏
listen to her podcast Best Friends if you want, it’s always been fun
@@TheFiddleFaddle She's so talented, but they wasted her on SNL. Glad to see her in mainstream things!
Now we know why Agatha was adament about the lyrics of Coven two or Coven True. It adds so much more weight to Agatha's POV saying "No, Its coven TWO" when they were arguing over the lyrics. Not only does she *actually* know as co-creator of the song, but she knows who the two are.
And when she said that she's only walked the road with one other person before. It was her and Nicky.
STOP you're going to make me cry 😭
Nicky died the night she didn't kill any witches. I think the implication was that she was somehow prolonging his life by killing other witches.
@jarvis1393 possibly. But it's also possible that Death came the night that Nickolas asserted himself and became his own person when he saved those witches.
also Agatha is posses succubus power which taking other people's power to survive, so i guess both for Nicky and herself?
@@heimsuchenI don’t believe that’s what succubus is. Succubus is a female demon that visits men while they’re asleep, to have intimate intercourse with them night after night to make them ill and lose their mind. That’s not what Agatha does
She distracted death with other bodies to collect
If you remember in episode 3, Rio told Agatha while they were leaning over the intercom "you get your power and I get my souls." The deal was that Agatha delivers witches in exchange for her newborn (and possibly her as well?) to stay alive.
“You got that 1756 cough” 😂😂😂😂😂
Fitting that a show about witches would leave breadcrumbs throughout the season
I love this. And they actually hinted at Hansel and Gretel story during Episode 3 where the witch was a friend of Lilia. 🤣
@@jholmes553 I still love that part so much
It was wonderful, and seeing Wiccan in his suit is just an absolute dream come true. Joe Locke has done a phenomenal job brining my favorite character in all of media to life.
IKR 😭
someone on reddit said something cool "Agatha didn't trade her son for the darkhold, she had the darkhold to look for her son"
I thought she already had the darkhold when she killed her mom and the Salem coven??
But I like the idea, a parallel between Agatha and Wanda, both taking the Book of the Damned to search for their children, and the only difference is Wanda's chaos magic.
She already had the Darkhold and killed her coven back in 1693. Nicky wasn’t born until 1750, and died in 1756. So she’d already had it for 63 years.
Where did y'all get the idea that she already had the Darkhold while with Nicky? She clearly didn't, otherwise she may have had the power to help him. Her mom said she was born evil because of her power of taking from others, she was always like this.
Also in episode 2 rio says that she got the darkhold to hide from her and keep her away but now that it’s gone she can get to Agatha
@@implodingnerd i think she got the darkhold to protect herself from death hence what rio said in ep 2.
I hope folks realize that after seeing the flashback of Agatha and Nicholas that when Agatha hears "Mama Stop!" In Episode 5 that is her actually hearing Nicholas and not a recall. Which is probably why she is afraid to see him because of all the things she has done. It really makes the moment so much more powerful.
He was talking to her through ouija omg 😭 imagine knowing your son saw you being even more of a psycho after he passed away damn
WOAH...
This is a good point and gives new context to why she was crying and freaked out when she was back on the road by herself right after. I thought it was remorse for killing Alice but it likely had much more to do with hearing her son.
It was really genius the way they split the finale into two episodes. I was skeptical at first, but it was just really good storytelling. Episode eight is the resolution of the road and the confrontation with death. Episode nine is the emotional finale that wraps up Agatha’s story that we still didn’t know and sets it up for the next chapter. Great writing.
My favorite is when Hector pre-guesses what’s about to happen and he’s never right 😂
Honestly 🤣 Out of hundreds of videos, I’ve seen the man guess like 3 actual things that ended up happening
I was going to comment the same thing. At ~40mins it's the first time I've seen him accurately guess something
It’s almost constant. It’s like every time he comments on what’s happening on screen; it’s the exact wrong interpretation. He has the worst instincts.
I literally paused the video just to find this comment. Not bc is my favorite part but bc I was like "someone else had to see this! lol Hector, just give up and watch the show, man!"
@@becausemiro He's literally the opposite of Sheera for YaBoiRoshi
Agatha to Wanda, "You're gonna need me". Fast forward it's Wanda's son (Billy) needing Agatha.
Sasheer Zamata/Jennifer Kale is also out there in the MCU, and I wonder if she'll show up in future projects.
Hopefully we get a midnight suns project featuring her in the future
I hope so, that’d be insane of ‘em not to give Sasheer and Jen the love they deserve
I'm ready for Hector's comic knowledge on ghost Agatha.
After Lilia’s episode ended I knew none of them were coming back. My heart still hurts for Alice. Getting taken out right after lifting her family’s curse. Such a tragic death.
Did i squeal like a little girl when Billy came out in full costume? Yes. Yes i did.
@@mcdudely hahaha me too
Same😂 new fav character
@@mcdudely had to try real hard to not to scream at that moment bc my sister was sleeping 😭
omg yes meeeeee he's my fav from the comics I still can't belive he exists in full live action glory
@@gabyfraga9294Not saying I have a crush but... that would be a lie lol, he looks fantastic
I like to think the "road" gave Agatha exactly what she was missing: a way to redeem herself so she can see Nicholas again by helping/mentoring Billy!
@dumpyqueen321 I told a friend humanity is what she was missing. She wanted power but the road doesn't care about wants, just what your missing. Pre road Agatha wouldn't have sacrificed herself.
"We can kill more witches tomorrow..." That is both so sad and SO messed up...
And he didn’t even get to make it to tomorrow
The fact that marvel made her a ghost and guide to Billy is awesome, remember in the comics she was a ghost and guide to Wanda, good connection!
Interested to see how Agatha and Billy move forward in MCU projects.
The baby was made from the old fashion way without magic “from scratch” also She can haunt it is the funniest line ever lol
Rio gesturing to Nicky to kiss Agatha goodbye really hit me. Such a sweet moment and telling of how Rio felt about her, which makes me more curious about what happened between them all those years after until now.
24:34 the contrast between him saying "it was me" vs Monica saying "it was Wanda" is astounding. Wanda had to relive all of her trauma to realize she did something spectacular. Billy just had to come back to his damn room in real life. I cannot wait until he realizes how much like his mother he is and embraces that.
Still pissed that he rejects wanda as his mother kinda
@@fritzyloop4028 eh, it make sense, since Wanda was only his mother for like a week and he forgot about it so he doesnt have any attachment for Wanda at that moment since his(or William's) mother was with him for 3 years instead
@@LorielSaysHi but then he has more attachment to tommy and he knew him for like a week as well but i guess twins do have some sort of connection
He barely has memories of her, and for all he knows, she gqve up on them. He doesn't understand what she did during Wandavision and doesn't know what she did in MoM. He's like a kid who was adopted by loving parents. He grew attached to them and doesn't have memories of his bio mom, may think she abandoned him. I wonder if Tommy, someone without a good and loving family in this new life, will pressure Billy to find Wanda (and Vision?)
we have to find out in VisionQuest. The waiting game starts now 😭
From what I've seen of Death in the comics they got her look REALLY GOOD. The ending twist was great and kept up with all the other ones they gave us this series....would love a follow up series of Billy and Agatha looking for Tommy while Agatha teaches Billy about Magick like she did for Wanda in the comics!
Well the third part of this story is gonna be the vision quest show they're making, which will be centered around white vision and apparently have ultron return. So maybe Tommy will show up.
@@dr.rockso2703 sorry for the late reply, but i wonder if that story will be about identity.
i remember there was a video after wandavision that talked about ship of theseus (white vision was a blank slate, got gifted memories from vision, so who's the real vision etc). billy's question of "am I billy or am i william" wasnt fully answered (he loves william's parents sure, he has a life with the bf, but he has a want to find tommy of his billy life), and maybe tommy might go thru the same arc (i was a kid for a few days, i died, then i got reborn into this body that other kids accidentally killed?)
I really want to say it. Dang it, Billy is so handsome. Like in a cool, masculinity aspect. Wiccan role really suit him there.
I'm glad you kept in the reactions of Agatha explaining, at least for the audiences, that Billy did not kill that boy so Tommy could live. I've noticed that a lot of people miss that moment and don't understand that he was going to die regardless.
Billy is not responsible for the deaths on the road even if he blames himself, at least in my opinion. He created it with his mind, yes, but it was also 'Magick on Autopilot'. All the witches who entered the road knew the risks they were taking, they all knew the road was a deathtrap and they could die including Billy (and he was in just as mortal danger as them). The only one who didn't know or accept the possible consequences was Sharon and her death can only be placed on Agatha's feet because she brought her there.
There also a subtle difference between what Wanda did and what Billy did- she was able to manipulate matter and change it, but except for Billy and Tommy's souls, she didn't actually create something new- just changed things. Billy on the other hand created an entire pocket dimension without any magick exploding from him or any knowledge of it until afterwards (Wanda figured it out at some point and continued with her control over Westview). That takes an insane amount of power. In the comics he is more powerful than she is and I believe they are going this route too. Currently, he is likely the most power person in the MCU.
Agatha meant she created Nicholas the “old fashioned way” as in used no magic. She couldn’t create him by herself without a father because she didn’t have the chaos magic Wanda had that made her powerful enough to create Billy and Tommy. So he most likely had a father but he wasn’t significant enough to be put onscreen.
@@apples5229 No, he was literally created from nothing at all, no man, no magic, etc (Kathryn even said so in an interview - witches had babies without men). However, the implication is that RIO created him within Agatha. She loved Agatha so much, she helped create life within her (she’s THE Green Witch, meaning that she’s capable of creating life AND death). Also, this is further proved when Nicky says “my mom needs me home” when Agatha was right there with him in the same room and she looked very confused when he said that (he calls Agatha mama and, presumably, calls Rio mom). Agatha knew he was talking about Rio, that’s why when she lost sight of him, she was running after him looking so worried, she thought Rio had finally taken him.
@@somewhereonlyweknow2814I don’t think so. Nicholas was supposed to die in childbirth which is why Rio showed up when Agatha was in labor. It wouldn’t make sense for her to create a child for her love only to end his life before it began. Agatha touched on him not being created by magic when she said she didn’t use a spell or incantation and he was made from scratch.
When Nicholas said his mother needed him home, he was making an excuse to not join the witches for a meal because he didn’t want Agatha to kill them. She looked confused because it was part of the con for Nicky to get the witches to invite him for a meal, and Agatha to steal their power once she’s isolated them from the non magical people. He instead turned her down which wasn’t a part of the plan. Nicky never knew about Rio until after he died as Agatha never told him which is alluded to when tells him she doesn’t know when “she” will return and doesn’t elaborate when questioned. I say this with a discussion tone and not argumentative).
@@somewhereonlyweknow2814Agatha never would have said he was no spell, no incantation, and made from scratch had Nicholas been created by magic or by Rio. The implication of “from scratch” was she made him the way all women created children, by growing them using their own bodies and not relying on magic.
The day she skipped killing witches, then death came for her son! She was distracting her with collecting bodies. (Of course, that doesn't take away from the evilness of Agatha's character itself.)
It was great to see that duality in his character throughout the series and the amount of details that we would now understand if we watch the entire series again.
What was evil? She never attacked first. Sure she egged them on and scammed them, but she never physically attacked them first. At no point do you see purple light from her magic until after the orange magic. Not saying she was a good person, but if you're the sort of person to try and kill someone just because you were scammed maybe you're not a good person either.
@@wwaxworkshe specifically egged them on for the purpose of stealing their powers AND killing them…idk man murder is pretty evil
@@wwaxwork it all depends on your perspective of justice. There's a paradox called R&R (Reason and Result)
If a person thinks the reason behind an action is the most important then they'll say that Agatha is evil.
If a person thinks the result of an action matters the most then they'll say Agatha is not that evil since she got attacked first no matter what her intentions were.
But technically, as we saw when Billy gave her his power, Agatha CAN stop taking power if she wants. So that makes her evil whether you believe in the importance of the Result or the Reason.
@@wwaxwork She's the textbook definition of a serial killer, what are you on about with this not evil bs.
@@wwaxworkYou are morally insane.
Agatha killed her Salem coven over 50 years before the flashbacks in 1x09.😊
The Salem Seven were real since they existed in Westview before William conjured up the road. Alice, Lilia & Sharon aren't ghosts because they had moved on.😊
This series has so many moments. But these two episodes are beautiful, powerful, and heartbreaking at the same time. It deserves an Emmy.
Feels 😢
i just realised how funny it was how Agatha got in that argument about the correct lyrics and "coven two"
It’s great how this really came together into a story of two people desperate to deny death.
I love that between Billy and Agatha we have a character clinging onto life for life’s sake, who sees life as the ultimate good, and a character running away from death not because she really wants to live, she just wants to die *less.*
I'm puzzled how they were confused about the whole "I made you from scratch" dialogue, lol. She was amazed she created him without casting a spell, without witchcraft. That she was able to create life without an incantation, amazed at how motherhood is more miraculous than magick is at turning the basics into something like a living creature. It's literally the opposite of what you think it's implying; not that she created a child with no father, as if by some spell, but in the most natural, old fashioned way possible.
So who is the father?
@@knighthawk3749 it doesn't matter now who is the father, right? Nicky is dead, so is Agatha
@@humam9189 Agatha's been "dead" before in the comics won't be surprised if she gets a body back at some point
@@moonvade9245 yeah, hopefully it happens before secret wars... I want to see her in action there 😄
That was also my interpretation
This was pretty easily the best tv show to ever have the marvel label attached to it, in my opinion. I guess recency bias, but I genuinely have this in my top five marvel properties of all time, of any kind. I truly think this was an absolute masterpiece.
My top 5 marvel projects ever:
1. Logan (2017)
2. Infinity War (2018)
3. Spider-Man 2 (2004)
4. Agatha All Along (2024)
5. Captain America: Winter Soldier (2014)
How is loki not in your top 5?!?
@ it’s number 7 or 8 for me, personally. Neck and neck with Netflix Daredevil. I liked the second season of Loki much less than the first, but it’s obviously still incredible
I was abt to say Spiderman 3 is better than 2 until I saw the year of release lol now I get it
I cannot grow food (earth magic) cannot heal (potions/water) protect (fire) Divine (air)
The reason the runtime wasn't an issue for me is that the episodes weren't split at random places. Each episode felt like their own. Yes there were cliff hangers. But each episode still felt like it's own.
It definitely felt more like a TV show. And I think Marvel Studios plans to treat them as such moving on. What a special series. So strong and knew exactly what it was doing and what type of show it was.
In the entire story Rio/Death never lied. Not once. She may have left things out, but never said anything untrue.
When she collected Alice, Alice wanted more time. Rio replied "If I had a nickel..."
Everyone wants more time. No one is ever ready.
Rio told Agatha "No one in history has had special treatment like you have"
Nicholas Scratch was a stillborn child who lived until he was six years old.
In the entire story Rio/Death never lied.
I would love to see any and all of these characters again, whether it's another season of Agatha, or a coven one off next Halloween, I'll take ANYTHING!!
Waited all day for this come out :)
that part where she shouted to the growth lights she needs more time to grow the flower is the same thing she shouted to rio when nick was born and when nick was taken. So when she shouted for more time to avoid her son’s death in this she shouted for more time for the flower to bloom or at this point “live” to grow unlike nick . If that makes any sense
“He got THAT cough. That 1756 cough.” Tell me why I laughed so much at this 😂 😂 😂
Jac Schaeffer really cooked a big Marvel banger of 2024 with $40M.
Finallyyyy, i was waiting for your reactions 😄
This version of Death reminds me a lot of Death from the Sandman show on Netflix! Another dope interpolation of Death
Holy crap I've never been this early. 🎉🎉
This show is a masterclass in TV writing.
It never even occurred to me that that ending with Agatha and Billy searching for Tommy could be suggesting a season 2 or direct continuation story. I think it's just what they did instead of a post-credit scene: they're setting up a future project that will feature Tommy, and he'll eventually re-connect with Billy in a Young Avengers or Scarlet Witch-related project.
They're describing Agatha and the Vision show as the second and third parts of a WandaVision trilogy, so it's pretty likely Tommy will be finding "Robo-Papa" next, and Billy might show up at the end or in the background, like Wanda's role in this show.
I saw this in another comment section. Good night wanna repeat it. Agatha tells nicholas I cannot heal you, i cannot protect you, and I cannot divine when she will be coming for you. She just named the 3 witches in her coven. In agatha all along. The protector, the healer, and the diviner.
"SHE CAN HAUNT IT"
😂😂😂
I love how they adapt this Comic Agatha ghost story to replace wanda to Billy to be his mentor and the way they adapt the Witches road in the Comic too.
since rio called him nicky and was very sweet when taking him even telling him to kiss his mother goodbye, and he only ever called agatha mama, i’m going to headcanon that when he ran away saying ‘mother is calling me’ the day he died, he was talking about rio
William Kaplan is a Wiccan and The Demiurge. Agatha referenced the "tell" when "Teen" manifested the Witches' Road, the way Wanda did with Westview.
"You got that 1756 cough OH YOU DEAD" I can'ttttt XD
26:23 it's Sharroooonnnnn 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
I think Agatha's early power grabs in the finale episode were initially to keep Nicky alive and keep Death at bay, but then it all became more sinister and selfish after she lost him. I think Rio would have continued to give them more time together as long as she kept giving her bodies. Agatha says she can't cure Nicky's illness or divine when Death will come for him but, for me, it was clear that Agatha continually killing witches was keeping Death at bay.
In the pub scene, we see Nicky is VERY ill, so they probably hadn't killed any witches in a while, and he consciously chose not to lure those witches to their deaths. As a result, both he and Agatha ran out of time. Later that night, I think Nicky telling Agatha, "We can kill more witches tomorrow, I promise" is more proof of this idea. I think he realized they had to keep killing witches to avoid his death, but he made it clear he didn't like doing it.
Looking back on Agatha's trial, when we hear Nicky's voice say, "Mama, stop," I think it's a reasonable interpretation that Nicky hoped his death would make his mother stop killing witches (because it was no longer necessary to keep him alive). Unfortunately, it had the opposite effect.
When Agatha talks to Nicholas in the woods, she lists professions of all of the witches she needs:
- "Can you make me food?" "No." (Rio)
- "I cannot heal you" (Jennifer)
- "I cannot protect you from what's coming (Alice)
- "and I cannot divine when she will return" (Lilia)
She may have the reputation of the most powerful witch, but even with all that she still would not be able to protect her son.
Billy creating everything gives a whole new dimension to the "Are you SURE??" quote from Agatha. She knew from the beginning. Such a good twist, almost like the Usual Suspects the way they used his room!
Joe Locke is AWESOME as Billy!! Cant wait to see him with the young Avengers!
Well, the witches didn't died for nothing, all of them got what they wanted. Alice got to break her curse, Lilia got a coven, Jen got her magic back, Agatha got power, and Billy got his brother. That Alice and Lilia died was tragic but they got what they were missing, but because it wasn't the end they didn't leave the road. Only one who was a casualty was Sharon, but she wasn't a witch and didn't want anything.
And Sharon got a really yummy glass of wine.
Sharon just wanna have fun with the girls, and she did that before she died. :)
She got to join Mr. Davis in the afterlife.
As episode 8 was progressing i kept saying "how is there a whole other episode still?" Which was great because not knowing what's coming is exactly what I want when watching a good show. And then Billy gets into his room and the pieces start coming together... Oh DANG that was good. And then i STILL didn't have a clue what episode 9 was going to be.
And it was great.
This was a lot of fun, thanks guys for all your time and energy making these reaction videos for us to enjoy.
17:20 - convinced her getting her powers back, is how she is able to become a ghost at all.
I agree. Treating it more like a tv show vs a movie. I didn't mind the 30-minute format this time because the first two and last two episodes were a little longer, too. If that makes sense. Plus, as you guys said, each episode did have a finality to it. I really enjoyed this show so much, and the cast was great. I look forward to seeing Joe Locke continue on as Wiccan. Plus, more Agatha, please. Kathryn Hahn is so great.
To rewatch and to look for all the breadcrumbs this show spread throughout will be a blast to watch
For me among Marvel TV Shows
1. Wandavision
2. Loki S2
3. Agatha All Along
But I would say after Loki EP 6 of S2 , The EP 7 of Agatha all along was my favorite
Same
@deborahjanes3706 😂😂
The Salem Seven wasn’t created by Billy. They were seeing them as animals well before the road begins.
When she fight Rio, she sees the moon is in the fire phase and draws a protection circle, when Rio throws a sink at her, she is saved because of Lilia's divination, when she is cut, she tries to conjure healing in the water as if a potion
Its a full circle baby
Same when she explains to nicky that she cannot do what other members of a coven can do to protect him
Notice that Billy was fleeing the Seven in a panic when the door to the road appeared and he was the first one to escape down the stairs, running past everyone.
Interesting little details: The road went into a circle when Billy said "We are back at square one". The road disappears and the trial opens when Billy said "Screw the road". Cabinets take away his spell book when he said "It's useless".
Wow. What an epic conclusion to a season 2 of motherly love. Wanda Vision basically gave us Wanda and how by the end you rooted for her as a mother. Now Agatha is now a conflicted mother-archetype with the audience. So good!!
The other mother figure that essentially made the movie was Black Panther 2 with Angela Basset’s character Queen of Wakanda. EPIC!
So happy to be pleasantly surprised by how good this show was
I'm so psyched for Vision Quest!!!❤❤❤❤❤
So happy Jennifer Kale survived, maybe she'll team-up with the Man-Thing later like in the comics.
This is going to continue with Vision Quest. Jac has said that it's the 3rd in the trilogy
If Tommy created this The Witches’ Road and both he and Jenn completed it and got back what they were missing it would be likely Tommy can create multiple The Witches’ Roads for other witches to travel and get back what they’re missing. That could be how Agatha finds redemption for the initial scam. She can pay for every witch she killed with and after Nicholas by helping them along the road Tommy creates which was based off of her original con.
“Ye old cough” and “she can Haunt it” took me out I can’t with you guys 😂😂😂
“My mother needs me at home” and Nicky runs off to where he’s going to die.
He only ever refers to Agatha as “Mama”.
By “my mother needs me at home”, he’s saying “Rio needs me because I am going to die now.”
It also shows the difference between Agatha and Rio: Rio believes it was “better to have loved and lost than never loved at all”, while Agatha is “Loving Nicky wasn’t worth the pain that came from losing him.”
It was so fun theorizing with other people weekly about what could happen next episodes. I had the best experience watching this show among any other Marvel series.
There is not going to be a season 2. From what I understand this is part 2 of a three arc overall story. The first arc was WandaVision, the second arc is Agatha all Along and the third arc will be the Vision Quest show coming up. That’s where you will see this continue.
He died of “Ye Olde Cough”…. stop it!!🤣🤣 Thanks for your humorAppreciate you guys!🙏🏾✌🏾
They're definitely setting up that Scarlet Witch solo film!
I wish Billy and Agatha had a moment like “did you really have to kill sparky?”
Or like an avenging moment “that was for killing sparky!”
8:15 She's a potions expert and makes "organic" self care products.
Also I didn't realize it til now but Agatha actually sacrificed her self for Billy 2 times.
In the final trial she helped Billy so he could get out, with no guarantee she'd make it out.
Her sudden shift from "juice me up" to "we're gonna find your brother" really shows how much Agatha really cares for Billy.
And of course her actual Death sacrifice but still. On initially watching I was confused why Agatha had such a sudden shift in the last trial but it makes sense.
She tried her luck and Billy refused so she's just like "alright, well let's get you out of here."
no... she very clearly told him that she did NOT sacrifice herself for him, she made a calculated ri... yeah... I can't buy that either... Agatha, you sacrificed for him, ya big soft hearted evil witch
58:19 Agatha All Along was a second part of a trilogy. WandaVision, Agatha All Along and Vision Quest are the trilogy.
Hector asked if Lilia actually killed the Salem 7...Death did say that Lilia took them with her when she sacrificed herself. So, I assume they actually did die.
I realize that everyone's death was kinda a "realistic" depiction of dying.
Billy? An accident.
Sharon? Wrong place, wrong time.
Alice? When it seems everything is going their way, death arrives.
Lilia? It was her time.
Agatha? She offers herself to death.
35:35 that is why she says in Ep8 “No billy, sometimes boys just die”….
Also, him looking at Agatha and saying: “My mother is needing me home… “ maybe talking about his other mom Rio?
5:00 - could be what allows her to be a ghost, possibly forever, allowed to stay, and be her comic-book style self - as Rio agreed, yet later, Agatha decides to be the one to die, yet, Rio didnt come for her soul, like she did Alice - but that could also be because she knew she couldnt face her kid, so she could stay around, as long as Marvel lets her - helping people, causing havoc, and faces her kid.
Agatha was also a ghost in Midnight Suns game as a guide + in the comics for some time as well. This really is great!
This might be one of the most complete marvel tv shows that has been released. The story felt completely contained but left it open enough to continue if it's going to happen. 100% agree that it felt the most like a tv show instead of just a movie that has been broken up
God, I love this show to death❤
Where’s the petition for season 2!? They need to start filming immediately. Andale!!! Andale!!!
There was one mistake that ended up in the show, when Agatha said "I was going to kill them all on the first day, she couldn't have done that. She herself told Lilia she couldn't take their power unless they attack her with it. Since "Mrs. Hart/Sharon Davis" was not a witch so she couldn't attack, likewise Jennifer Kale, being bound COULDN'T attack her. Taking that into consideration, the only way she could have killed them would have been to attack them physically.
The insinuation that Billy is beyond Death's reach unless he chooses it is a fun little nod to his actual power level and cosmic significance in the comics.
This show pulls a lot from a recent Scarlet Witch comic in which Wanda walks the Witches' Road, which is a real place, and in that story Agatha Harkness is a Ghost and serves as Wanda's mentor. The parallels are all there.
I think the success and positive reception to this show might be part of the reason Marvel is suddenly pushing a Midnight Suns film. They don't want to lose momentum on this successful combo and that's a place they can land.