Yep, 100% the best way I've seen this done from the various videos I've seen. More simple than the others I've seen and closer to sounding like an authentic room mic. Thanks for this video!
Glad I found this. The room mic track I’m using isn’t that bad, but it’s delayed compared to the main track, and I’d rather create a new one than fiddle with syncing it up because it’s not all it could be anyway.
Great tip dude! Do you send the room mic/fake room mic to the parallel drum bus ("squash"/NY comp) or do you only send the dry drums to that? I'm new to mixing "real" drums. Thanks :)
In this video, I didn't send the room mics to the parallel bus, but now days, I've started just using a compressor with a mix knob right on my main drum bus instead of a second squash bus, sooo...either way can sound great! Not having the rooms go through the squash compressor will give you a little bit of a clearer, cleaner sound, and sending it through will give you a little more of a bigger, pumpier sound. So it depends on what you're going for!
@@BetterMixes Yeah I know, I was just meaning in general :) So it's not "weird" to send the room mic to the squash bus? Do you send your room mic to the main drum bus then?
@@rasmussgaard2596 Nope, not weird at all! And yeah, currently, I send my room mics (real or fake) to the drum bus with everything else. Then I put a compressor on there and use the mix knob to dial in the amount of compression to taste.
@@BetterMixes Appreciate it bro! One last thing, if you have a parallel squash bus, do you also send that to the main drum bus? Aka EVERYTHING goes to the main drum bus?
@@rasmussgaard2596 You PROBABLY wouldn't want to send the squash bus to your drum bus. I mean, you never know, it could sound cool! But as a general rule, you usually wouldn't want to. You'd just send it to your mix bus or master fader.
No problem! I'm glad you found it helpful! And I don't THINK I messed with anything in the early tab, but I'll check once I'm back in the studio tomorrow.
Yeah, these were recorded in my studio, which is quite lively, so there's definitely some room sound sneaking into the overheads and close mics, but it works just as well on drums recorded in a completely dry room!
@@SteveH4es it's about 25 by 12 feet with 8 foot ceilings, so kinda a nice mid size room. And this drummer was insanely good and just made the drums sound killer. So that always helps!
@@SteveH4es Yeah, I honestly got really lucky with my room! I assumed I would have to do a ton of treatment to get it sounding halfway decent, but I just moved all my stuff in, and it sounded great!
I usually record drums in parts with two seperate groups of the same 8 channels, but today I forgot to copy the room track to the seconds group, so I hope this helps me out. :D
@@BetterMixes Maybe a little less snap on the snare? I don't know, sure it's a taste question, but usually far room mics have less snap on the snare, maybe trying to use a transient designer'ish / transX wide, etc, to shape it... before the 1176... Good job.
@@keithrichards4296 That's a good call! You could definitely use a transient designer to bring down the snappiness a bit. I've always liked rooms that tend to retain a bit of the snappiness, but for anyone who prefers a more distant, maybe washy room sound, that would be a great way to approach it!
I'm not familiar with that one, but a lot of different reverbs would work well for this, so give it a shot! In the meantime, I'm going to go look up that reverb!
I was searching for a way to fake a drum room sound and this was clearly the best explanation, thank you!
I'm happy I could help!
This is the best video on this, in my opinion. That’s a really convincing fake room, nice one
Thanks so much! I'm glad you liked the video!
Yep, 100% the best way I've seen this done from the various videos I've seen. More simple than the others I've seen and closer to sounding like an authentic room mic. Thanks for this video!
I'm glad you liked it! Thanks for watching.
Room mics are also further so adding delay to the direct sound helps before the eq + reverb
Yup! I used the pre-delay control in the reverb to do this, but you could do the exact same thing by using a delay first!
The best fake room technique I have heard dude
Heck yeah! I'm glad you liked it!
Glad I found this. The room mic track I’m using isn’t that bad, but it’s delayed compared to the main track, and I’d rather create a new one than fiddle with syncing it up because it’s not all it could be anyway.
I'm glad I could help! 🤘
This is the best version of this trick that I've seen, thanks!
You're welcome! I'm glad you found it helpful!
What a great tutorial! I do something like this for overheads as well.
Thanks so much! I'm glad it was helpful!
I just love tricks like this.
Awesome video!!
Thanks! Glad you liked it!
Great tip dude! Do you send the room mic/fake room mic to the parallel drum bus ("squash"/NY comp) or do you only send the dry drums to that? I'm new to mixing "real" drums. Thanks :)
In this video, I didn't send the room mics to the parallel bus, but now days, I've started just using a compressor with a mix knob right on my main drum bus instead of a second squash bus, sooo...either way can sound great! Not having the rooms go through the squash compressor will give you a little bit of a clearer, cleaner sound, and sending it through will give you a little more of a bigger, pumpier sound. So it depends on what you're going for!
@@BetterMixes Yeah I know, I was just meaning in general :) So it's not "weird" to send the room mic to the squash bus? Do you send your room mic to the main drum bus then?
@@rasmussgaard2596 Nope, not weird at all! And yeah, currently, I send my room mics (real or fake) to the drum bus with everything else. Then I put a compressor on there and use the mix knob to dial in the amount of compression to taste.
@@BetterMixes Appreciate it bro! One last thing, if you have a parallel squash bus, do you also send that to the main drum bus? Aka EVERYTHING goes to the main drum bus?
@@rasmussgaard2596 You PROBABLY wouldn't want to send the squash bus to your drum bus. I mean, you never know, it could sound cool! But as a general rule, you usually wouldn't want to. You'd just send it to your mix bus or master fader.
This is a life saver
Niiiice, crunchy!
Hey, Mike! Thanks for the awesome technique! I was wondering if there were any settings tweaked in the 'Early' section of the reverb? 🤔
No problem! I'm glad you found it helpful! And I don't THINK I messed with anything in the early tab, but I'll check once I'm back in the studio tomorrow.
Sounds good Man.
Thanks so much!
You made my day! Thanks a lot!
Heck yeah! Glad you found it helpful!
Amazing!
Glad you liked it! Thanks for watching!
Your “dry” drums already sound good. And have their own nice room sound.
Yeah, these were recorded in my studio, which is quite lively, so there's definitely some room sound sneaking into the overheads and close mics, but it works just as well on drums recorded in a completely dry room!
@@BetterMixes Yeah they sound awesome. What kinda room?
@@SteveH4es it's about 25 by 12 feet with 8 foot ceilings, so kinda a nice mid size room. And this drummer was insanely good and just made the drums sound killer. So that always helps!
@@BetterMixes weird thats almost my exact room lol. doesnt sound as good. props!
@@SteveH4es Yeah, I honestly got really lucky with my room! I assumed I would have to do a ton of treatment to get it sounding halfway decent, but I just moved all my stuff in, and it sounded great!
Epic,. thanks!
Glad you liked it!
I usually record drums in parts with two seperate groups of the same 8 channels, but today I forgot to copy the room track to the seconds group, so I hope this helps me out. :D
I hope that worked out for you! That's definitely happened to me before!
@@BetterMixes It did! ;D
Great video man. Very nice tips. But dang that snare drum was ringing like a bell! I'm sure it will be lost in the context of the song. Just sayin'...
Haha yeah, it was working well in the context of that particular song, but for other songs, that could definitely get a bit obnoxious!
Cool
I really like it
Awesome! I'm glad you liked the video! Thanks for watching.
Lovely!
Thanks for watching!
@@BetterMixes Maybe a little less snap on the snare? I don't know, sure it's a taste question, but usually far room mics have less snap on the snare, maybe trying to use a transient designer'ish / transX wide, etc, to shape it... before the 1176... Good job.
@@keithrichards4296 That's a good call! You could definitely use a transient designer to bring down the snappiness a bit. I've always liked rooms that tend to retain a bit of the snappiness, but for anyone who prefers a more distant, maybe washy room sound, that would be a great way to approach it!
How about the Oril River Reverb?
I'm not familiar with that one, but a lot of different reverbs would work well for this, so give it a shot! In the meantime, I'm going to go look up that reverb!
Better Mixes thanks!
If you're confused he printed a dry track to manipulate.
Yeah, I probably could have explained that better in the beginning of the video!