This is your best type of content for multiple reasons: 1. You might find cheap, but great products, 2. You unveil scams and help your viewers to avoid them and 3. In engineering aspect it's interesting as hell to check these (sometimes not so) innovative designs. Please keep this up! And best wishes for your independency from CK! If I can give you hints to similar scam/best buy hunts: office chairs, webcams, heatsinks, fans, USB microphones, camera stands, TIMs, hdmi/dp cables, KVMs, game controllers... all stuff that you can buy for very low price.
My first DIY M.2 cooler was a 40mm fan I jammed underneath the CPU cooler so it pointed at the M.2 drive. It worked pretty well, and once I stuck a small heatsink meant for a Raspberry Pi on the controller chip it worked well enough that I never had stability problems again. The little 40mm fan didn't spin very fast so the noise was completely masked by the rest of the system.
That sicker sized "cooler" reminded me of MSI's "Heat Shield" that Gamers Nexus tested almost 7 years ago and found out that it acted more like an insulator than a heatsink when you compare the temperatures on the bottom of the SSD. Honestly with these PCIe 5.0 SSDs it looks more and more like the carrier cards with coolers similar to what you get on lower power graphics cards might be the best option as they provide a proper level of cooling without tiny annoying fans.
@@Thisandthat8908 That really depends on your use case. Regular desktop usage might never stress the drive enough for it to cause a crash/shutdown especially as the heat being generated depends on the transfer speed which is determined by the slowest part involved in the transfer. Basically in order to max out a PCIe 5.0 SSD you need to move data to/from another PCIe 5.0 SSD or the memory as AFAIK everything else is going to be slower and thus bottleneck the transfer. With that being said better cooling would prevent potential throttling thus allowing the drive to maintain a consistent level of performance even when doing a lot of reads/writes.
Best option is a better form factor. M.2 was fine up until early gen4 but has been showing it's limitations since. I can understand why U.2 made no sense for early NVME on consumer hardware but all these work arounds to keep M.2 viable are kind of silly.
There's a load of great ones, that can be found online for only a few bucks more with proper heatpipes and a lot of surface area. Thermalright do some really good ones that work well. They use the same AGHP heatpipes as they do with their CPU cooler line.
i'd rather wait for a new Generation of Controllers that will be more efficient. PCI-E 5 level Controllers are all pretty much the equivalent of an Over-Overclocked Chip. they run super hot. that'll get better in time, but we can expect it to be some Years until then.
BTW I suspect the sticker is just a genericized version of the sort of sticker they put on off-brand SSDs. Technically it'd help an SSD that didn't have a sticker to begin with, but not by 10 degrees, and certainly not one that already had a sticker like yours did.
In my mind, if it's same quality as the one pre-applied to SSDs, then it's useful if you damaged the original heatspreader sticker, a lot of people peel it off, even when it's not advised because say the SSD engineering relies on the graphite lateral heatspreader even under a proper heatsink. That's of course an "if", quality of such brands can vary since they don't really know what they're selling.
Best concept here would be a good aluminium heatsink with a laptop blower style fan above it. A contraption like this would be atleast 6cm high, so thats why one of the tested coolers uses these tiny but loud fans. Also it should be considered where that heats/ airflow end up on the motherboard. I dont get why we need Gen5 yet, the speeds/ real world ingame loading times arent that much higher and older SSD where just fine without cooling.
i suppose for new technology with microsoft direct storage. like in ratchet and clank a really fast ssd is very noticeable when teleporting and provides an immersive experience
@@konzo5942 You don't need 8 or 12 gigabytes a second for that. Even a SATA SSD can fill RAM/VRAM at more than 1GB/s thanks to compression, which is nothing to scoff at, it's already one, up to two orders of magnitude more than last gen devs could reasonably rely on. At gen3 link which is north of 3GB/s raw transfer speed you're golden, you're guaranteed maxing out the decompression speed that Oodle can muster. Different Oodle algorithms have maximum output throughput between about 1GB/s and 4GB/s, which means correspondingly a 550MB/s drive can saturate the former and a 2.5GB/s drive can saturate the latter.
That Ineo is a strange one... As clearly some thought went into it... Some engineering went into it. But seemed to skip the final bits that would make it more effective. Starters, even if its not real heat pipes and solid copper... if they just machined the base more flat, to get good surface contact with the SSD, they would work more effectively. Even more so if they were heat pipes with a low evap liquid. But missing out that last finishing stage just makes it into a more close to scam product, than an actual effective product.
The jeyi copper foil sticker is intended for laptop without any clearance. Similar to the copper foil label on samsung ssd. They do have thicker few mm copper plate cooler for laptop with some z height clearance. Laptop ssd are usually lower wattage models anyway.
7:50 the second I saw the cat.. I was hoping you'd pet it. Glad I wasn't disappointed :] Also I bought a Kingston KC3000 2TB a few months ago that has one of these "sticker coolers", and.. I'm not sure what to say really, it *does* stay damn cool somehow.
In the matter of copper-graphene decals, if I were to embellish test results I would use a low power NVMe with the lowest gen PCIe version. In that way I can just claim the temp results without indicating what NVMe model was used. Then I choose a case where a case fan would blow right across it. At best it works as a heat spreader.
Out of topic. This is the only TH-cam channel that I hit the like button before watching the video 😂. I know this channel doesn't need to be praised. It just speeks for itself, but I thought it's worth mentioning.
I feel like it wouldn't do much anyway since it has such a small thermal mass and surface area, plus there's barely any airflow via the M.2 area on laptops
Those graphene stickers, at best, are heat spreaders. The only way to get any cooling out of them is if you could somehow attach the other end to a nearby genuine heatsink nearby on the board.
I find it hilarious that the Amazon store page for the Ineo M12 shows that it's just a rolled copper wire in the exploded image. Acidalie makes one that has 2 copper heat pipes for the same price as the Ineo M12, and Jeyi makes one that's similar to the Dual Engine, but doesn't have any fans for a little bit less...
I think that copper sticker/foil is actually meant to replace the sticker that is usually over top of the chips and has the product name and logo.... So you remove the original sticker and put this down AND THEN you ADD YOUR HEATSINK..... MAYBE..... loginally we KNOW it WILL NOT COOL ANYTHING on it s OWN.... so this is the ONLY THING I can think of that makes ANY SENSE!! lol
I like the copper wire cooler, they should've been honest about marketing. It looks pretty and cools adequately so why the lies seems like a good product.
Wow, have never seen a machine crash due to overheated SSD. I guess it was the system volume, but what's the error message on a crash like that? Does the OS just time out and panic?
@@pi1ns Yup, I'm not impressed. It depends somewhat on the error (maybe Windows over-reacted) but it should have just throttled rather than failing like that. The Crucial site says "Non-heatsink versions of the Crucial T700 must be installed with a motherboard or alternate heatsink to achieve optimal performance." - instead it seems like they should say "must have heatsink" full stop.
Great video! I tried some jeyi hardware and in general for the price is ok. In my case I am really happy with the big heatsink that they made in CNC aluminium (the version with the long fins on the same direction of the airflow, not the one with the short ones). In my case this heatsink can keep a WD 850X pretty stable with a max temperature of 54c during benchmarks (ambient around 24c). I am not using the provided thermalpad by Jeyi thought, I am using a thermalpad from thermalright and the drive is not throtling at all. I would be happy if you try also this model in your review. Also, the ones from Jeyi with the short fins, I used one in a SFF build with a vertical airflow and the performance was really good (considering the limited airflow in a small case). I think when you review a "short" heatsink for M2 drives you should consider vertical airflow instead the standard horizontal airflow we have in most cases.
Thank you Roman for testing stuff like this ! Would love to see the same kind of round up for CPU waterblocks, more precisely for AM5 delidded CPUs There's plenty waterblocks out there, would be very interesting to see how the very cheap ones from amazon/aliexpress etc. perform on a delidded 7800X3D :D
I believe the idea behind hollow heat exchange pipes is that it reduces the overall mass of the copper components while still carrying heat away. If they are solid, they'd become heat soaked easier. As far as the gen5 high temp issue, I'm gonna try and put my faith in technological advancement. I believe I read that it's the nand controller that's heating up and to me, that really seems like an issue that will improve as the technology evolves. Hopefully soon so laptop owners can benefit from the gen5 speeds.
Do you think the fans on the FIVE DUAL would be noticeable if it was actually in a case, since higher frequency tones should get muffled pretty easily?
Same thing I was thinking, since his set up is out in the open for testing, I would think it would be more noticeable but I already have 3 corsair fans right next to me and that would drown out anything going on inside lol.
IF the graphene was actually oriented correctly it could serve as a heat spreader to better utilize a proper heatsink mounted on top of it. Not sure if the adhesive layer ruins the potential gains though.
I have a Jeyi Eagle Ps5 heatsink which works great. I think the Jeyi foil tested is a heat-spreader label meant to be used together with an ssd heatsink.
Just got a Lares 2TB gen 4 that came with one of those foil type heat spreaders. In the same test it tops out at 54c with max speeds being 7112 MB/s read, 6645 MB/s write. Idle temp of 44c
Use the first or last cooler and install a 90x90 fan running at 7 volt to cool it instead (you can get 7 volt by connecting the fan between 5v and 12v).
basically all premade active cooling systems are unusable due to the noise some of them may be good for much lower loads (like U12A is capable of handling something like 120W spread over a bigger area) but it's far from what is advertised because max speeds are unfeasible for end user applications
It was my understanding you were supposed to use the sticker in combination with any heatsink for more efficient cooling, with and without with even just the Mobo Heatsinks I feel would be useful to know for sure.
The crazy thing about that M12 is the fact that after cutting open to show the inside, now you can get the same cooling out of that unit with no problem, installing it just like that😂😂Now that's some USA USA tech for you!
I would like to see you mount another of the heatsinks on top of the sticker with some thermal paste. It looks like an intermediary layer. I know it isn't but the test may be interesting.
Given the price, I'd assume it's plastic and not graphene anyway. And a foil of copper would still be worse than using paste between the m2 and another cooler solution.
samsung nvme ssd come withthose coper sticker. could you test the following: default SSD with its copper sticker + a heatsink ontop default SSD , remove that copper sticker + a heatsink ontop. would like to know if that sticker has an impact on heat extraction. bonus: "spreading the heat" may be interresting for fimware that also spread the load on several nand ? ...
*Also as point of note.* The fact that youre testing some of them on an open test bench might skew the results a little compared to real world scenarios where people have their machines in enclosed cases and 3-6 fans moving air in and out of the case. In a real world scenario. You might get away with not needing to have the fan in at all if you have good airflow inside your case.
G'day Shiek, Makita & Roman, I think the M.2-Five Dual would be better with a PWM Power, that way you could plug it into the Mobo & Control the Fan Speed to a Temp/Noise compromise.
@der8auer EN, JEYI have got few interesing M.2 SSD heatsinks. But only one decent actually sell in China - Xiaolong 2. It's have got copper base (2280 long), copper fins, slim fan and 4-pin power connector. Others two are similar, but full fins and no fan (one slim fins, another tall fins). Problem with them - they connected to aluminum base andd not to SSD directly. It's main problem with most M.2 SSD - incomplete design.
I nearly bought the Jeyi sticker, but thought twice and got a more normal vktech heatsink which does suitably keep temps down enough to never throttle.
Would be interesting to see how the Ineo performed with some gentle air flow over it. Seems to me that you should come up with a passive and active designs that actually perform. Also worth mention what is the best a target temperature for these things are as i have seen else where is is the window for best performance and LN2 would not help.
Get some 1.5mm thick Arctic TP-3 120mm x 20mm thermal pads and replace your stock thermal pads that come on your mainboard heat spreaders. You won't be able to make your drives break 50-55C. So long as your board has descent SSD heat sinks. All you need.
Maby the JEYI M.2 Copper Graphene Heatsink could be use as a spacer for another Heatsink? You said it does a good job spreading out the heat, Or would it just add more complexity in trying to dissipate heat? Unless the price is a little much for a spacer.
If it's in place of another sticker, it's good (the real brands using these stickers also use them as a product label). It adds 1 extra thermal interface, same as a regular sticker. But vs no sticker, it's worse. Just spreading the heat laterally in a thicker aluminum HS works fine.
There is a big difference between a heat sink and a heat spreader. A sink simply provides thermal mass so the device will take longer to heat up. A spreader increases surface area so actually increases cooling potential. Of course there functions will always overlap. But something advertised as a heatsink should be tested as such, if it still gets hot but it takes longer its actually a success. Also as that functionality is what matters for most people for things like SSDs. Stress test performance, especially for SSDs, is only relevant for an extremely tiny number of users.
As potentoal followup, how about slapping on the dirt cheap and easy to fit heatsinks that are similar to the first one but without any fans? Probably effective if there is any airflow
as far as way too tall SSD heatsinks go that M12 at least has a neat unique look these roundups are pretty entertaining if for no other reason than to see the weird stuff being pushed!
hmmm what most computer review videos seem to not understand about thermodynamics is the contribution of radiant heat transfer. for electronics that are passively cooled (so like without forced air), the contribution of radiant heat transfer is more important than convection. that means the color of a hot object is very important because of its black body radiation. thats the whole point of those pyrolytic graphite stickers. they have a matt black surface finish which is the best surface for radiating heat away, while a polished copper/silver surface is the worst. i suspect you are making the wrong comparison if all you are focused on is surface area....
@@northonfoster5323 ya if youre going for thermal mass due to temp spikes, the sticker is useless. if your going for long term net heat dissipation, the stickers will signficantly increase the heat loss over a long period of time by around 40%. heat doesnt like to leave shiny surfaces as photons in the IR spectrum, but it really likes to leave matt black surfaces. if you dont have air flowing over a heat sink, there is significant gain in overall heat shedding ability just by simply changing the color of an object. its why iphones are covered in black stuff on the inside. its why firewood stoves for heating are painted matt black. the paint/color slows down the convection heat loss, but that only accounts for a minority of the heat loss of a hot object in a room with normal air convection. it dramatically increases the radieative heat transfer through photon emission in the ir spectrum. its all very intuitive if you play around with a thermal camera, you will notice the color of objects is very important for them producing light that can be picked up by the IR sensor
In general, the memory control chip, of PCIe 5.0 M2 SSDs, ~80-90%, are still made with the outdated 12nm manufacturing-process technology, so they require a lot of current and get very hot. /A Circal T700 too 12nm-es process! / I will not buy a PCI exp 5.0 m2 ssd until much more advanced manufacturing technology spreads in this segment as well! PCI exp 4 is already mature, there are SSDs manufactured with 8 and 6-5nm technology. I use those. I'll switch if they offer a reasonable price and good quality, not a heater with giant fins and fans!
LMAO! Imagine the usual note on Ali Express where they point out that the product size can differ 2-4 mm depending on human error or whatever they use to blame it on... still, on the "graphene cooler" it is at least written in the correct thickness at least once :P Regarding the first cooler, I would like to see a regular fan connector instead, and PWM possibly could make it a lot more useful. In that way you could at least power down the fans so your ear wouldn't hear that loud noise. I do believe that different people can hear a very wide range of noise that others maybe can't. For at least me and my mother, we can see the flicker in some florescent lights, most people can't. Also, I have tinnitus, but I can notice sounds my cat doesn't notice. very odd indeed. The last cooler was too bad it was a scam in the way that it didn't have heat pipes. Imagine how good it maybe could have been if it was real heat pipes. But I guess, that if it would have been heat pipes, it would not have been a continuous pipe, it would have been several u-shaped pipes. I wonder how many Chinese people/companies that really think they are making something good and don't know it vs. the amount of those that just don't give a damn. I would like to believe that they would succeed much more of they just went all the way and made a great product instead of somewhat good product. In my opinion it's a scam, but with a working end result. It would be nice if Roman could check the purity of that copper since he thought the weight was too little to be solid copper. I would love to be able to one day visit Thermal Grizzly and take a look at their "Museum of Shitty Coolers" :) Love from a Swedish, a descendant of Germany; Engelke
Not sure if there are m.2 SSDs with just bare chips on them, but if you put on that copper sticker on such ssd and stick it under stock MB heatsink it could be better than only thermal pad under heatsink. Perhaps there is something lost in translation.
I don't get why the temps on a gen 5 drive in a gen 4 slot are even that high, my Gen 4 SN850X and Firecuda 530 4 Tb drives don't even break 50c with the motherboard heatsinks. The WD ones are about 10c hotter too due to different ram and controller, but the speeds are the same and I have them in raid 0 for around 13800 read speed.
The graphene reading as only 90% infer that it is carbon in a resin matrix. Most likely waste carbon fiber filament shredded, crushed, infused with resin. Creating a graphene like material with substantially lower performance.
I use in a laptop coper plaat vs non. On my hp ssd . Without it the temp go up and crash . With that thin small coper plate it stabel to use . Somtimes you only need a small thin coper plate
My Adata XPG PCIe 4.0 SSD came with a cooler similar to the sticker one but it's much thicker, I didn't used it anyway as I'm using the board cooler so can't say anything about it's temps...
That copper wire heatsink is hilariously dumb considering how expensive copper is these days, but it does look pretty cool. It would be perfect for a copper or steampunk build.
You can make a combination of the 3 ... The fans, the copper, the paste, the stickers from manufacturer or not, no LED... maybe some liquids like nitro ... Make bigger is always the solution: bigger fans and liquid metal 🤔
I can't help but notice that you were slightly more careful with the German title: "This gets close to deceit" (rough translation, in Dutch it would be "dit grenst aan bedrog") vs "Pure scam". I understand German and I was subscribed before you had the English channel so I still see the German video pop up too, also because occasionally you only do the video in German.
I use their HDD switches - a thing that no one else makes, but I find incredibly useful. Looks decently made, works well - at least if you don't push it past reasonable.
And the fun thing is JEYI is far from the worst m.2 radiators vendor. Actually the simple low profile radiators JEYI made is one of the best cheap solutions around.
i need cooling for my nvme it is burning @ 102 degree celcius . the plate from the motherboard was not good enought so i got a Archnon thicker heatsink.. still not good enought. it just wont go down. i did wrote to Viper maybe they have a clue . one mm copper what a joke !
Try testing more of them, only 4 for a video ... would be nice have a ranking of everyone you tested at end + their price. Why not test them on a PCIE 5.0 SSD that heat more for have better idea if they are good enough.
This is your best type of content for multiple reasons: 1. You might find cheap, but great products, 2. You unveil scams and help your viewers to avoid them and 3. In engineering aspect it's interesting as hell to check these (sometimes not so) innovative designs. Please keep this up! And best wishes for your independency from CK! If I can give you hints to similar scam/best buy hunts: office chairs, webcams, heatsinks, fans, USB microphones, camera stands, TIMs, hdmi/dp cables, KVMs, game controllers... all stuff that you can buy for very low price.
ah yeah, often its expensive brand crap....its not only the cheap ones...look at NVIDA what they do since the rtx3 series...... just saying...
My first DIY M.2 cooler was a 40mm fan I jammed underneath the CPU cooler so it pointed at the M.2 drive. It worked pretty well, and once I stuck a small heatsink meant for a Raspberry Pi on the controller chip it worked well enough that I never had stability problems again. The little 40mm fan didn't spin very fast so the noise was completely masked by the rest of the system.
That sicker sized "cooler" reminded me of MSI's "Heat Shield" that Gamers Nexus tested almost 7 years ago and found out that it acted more like an insulator than a heatsink when you compare the temperatures on the bottom of the SSD.
Honestly with these PCIe 5.0 SSDs it looks more and more like the carrier cards with coolers similar to what you get on lower power graphics cards might be the best option as they provide a proper level of cooling without tiny annoying fans.
But is the speed advantage in the real world worth all the hassle?
@@Thisandthat8908 That really depends on your use case. Regular desktop usage might never stress the drive enough for it to cause a crash/shutdown especially as the heat being generated depends on the transfer speed which is determined by the slowest part involved in the transfer. Basically in order to max out a PCIe 5.0 SSD you need to move data to/from another PCIe 5.0 SSD or the memory as AFAIK everything else is going to be slower and thus bottleneck the transfer.
With that being said better cooling would prevent potential throttling thus allowing the drive to maintain a consistent level of performance even when doing a lot of reads/writes.
Best option is a better form factor. M.2 was fine up until early gen4 but has been showing it's limitations since. I can understand why U.2 made no sense for early NVME on consumer hardware but all these work arounds to keep M.2 viable are kind of silly.
There's a load of great ones, that can be found online for only a few bucks more with proper heatpipes and a lot of surface area. Thermalright do some really good ones that work well. They use the same AGHP heatpipes as they do with their CPU cooler line.
i'd rather wait for a new Generation of Controllers that will be more efficient. PCI-E 5 level Controllers are all pretty much the equivalent of an Over-Overclocked Chip. they run super hot.
that'll get better in time, but we can expect it to be some Years until then.
I think that M12 heatsink would look cool in a steam punk themed, copper tubing, water cooled build. It would make a nice accent piece.
my beagle started watching at 7:50 , seems hes very interested in NVME cooling also. you have a new fan!
BTW I suspect the sticker is just a genericized version of the sort of sticker they put on off-brand SSDs. Technically it'd help an SSD that didn't have a sticker to begin with, but not by 10 degrees, and certainly not one that already had a sticker like yours did.
In my mind, if it's same quality as the one pre-applied to SSDs, then it's useful if you damaged the original heatspreader sticker, a lot of people peel it off, even when it's not advised because say the SSD engineering relies on the graphite lateral heatspreader even under a proper heatsink. That's of course an "if", quality of such brands can vary since they don't really know what they're selling.
Best concept here would be a good aluminium heatsink with a laptop blower style fan above it. A contraption like this would be atleast 6cm high, so thats why one of the tested coolers uses these tiny but loud fans. Also it should be considered where that heats/ airflow end up on the motherboard. I dont get why we need Gen5 yet, the speeds/ real world ingame loading times arent that much higher and older SSD where just fine without cooling.
i suppose for new technology with microsoft direct storage. like in ratchet and clank a really fast ssd is very noticeable when teleporting and provides an immersive experience
@@konzo5942 You don't need 8 or 12 gigabytes a second for that. Even a SATA SSD can fill RAM/VRAM at more than 1GB/s thanks to compression, which is nothing to scoff at, it's already one, up to two orders of magnitude more than last gen devs could reasonably rely on. At gen3 link which is north of 3GB/s raw transfer speed you're golden, you're guaranteed maxing out the decompression speed that Oodle can muster. Different Oodle algorithms have maximum output throughput between about 1GB/s and 4GB/s, which means correspondingly a 550MB/s drive can saturate the former and a 2.5GB/s drive can saturate the latter.
That Ineo is a strange one... As clearly some thought went into it... Some engineering went into it. But seemed to skip the final bits that would make it more effective.
Starters, even if its not real heat pipes and solid copper... if they just machined the base more flat, to get good surface contact with the SSD, they would work more effectively. Even more so if they were heat pipes with a low evap liquid.
But missing out that last finishing stage just makes it into a more close to scam product, than an actual effective product.
That cat is reincarnated technician. It knows to not bite stuff or to put its stuff into computer hardware.
The jeyi copper foil sticker is intended for laptop without any clearance. Similar to the copper foil label on samsung ssd. They do have thicker few mm copper plate cooler for laptop with some z height clearance. Laptop ssd are usually lower wattage models anyway.
Your cat looks so comfortable and relaxed in front of you. 😺
I love how you spent more on some of the testing and analysis of materials than the actual cost of the item.
7:50 the second I saw the cat.. I was hoping you'd pet it. Glad I wasn't disappointed :]
Also I bought a Kingston KC3000 2TB a few months ago that has one of these "sticker coolers", and.. I'm not sure what to say really, it *does* stay damn cool somehow.
In the matter of copper-graphene decals, if I were to embellish test results I would use a low power NVMe with the lowest gen PCIe version. In that way I can just claim the temp results without indicating what NVMe model was used. Then I choose a case where a case fan would blow right across it.
At best it works as a heat spreader.
Out of topic. This is the only TH-cam channel that I hit the like button before watching the video 😂. I know this channel doesn't need to be praised. It just speeks for itself, but I thought it's worth mentioning.
I love your china-garbage reviews. absolutely entertaining!
Thank you for this one. Sticker one is for laptops, few months back I was looking into it.
Interesting. It should also be tested on PS5, as it's one of the selling point.
I feel like it wouldn't do much anyway since it has such a small thermal mass and surface area, plus there's barely any airflow via the M.2 area on laptops
Those graphene stickers, at best, are heat spreaders. The only way to get any cooling out of them is if you could somehow attach the other end to a nearby genuine heatsink nearby on the board.
I find it hilarious that the Amazon store page for the Ineo M12 shows that it's just a rolled copper wire in the exploded image. Acidalie makes one that has 2 copper heat pipes for the same price as the Ineo M12, and Jeyi makes one that's similar to the Dual Engine, but doesn't have any fans for a little bit less...
I think that copper sticker/foil is actually meant to replace the sticker that is usually over top of the chips and has the product name and logo.... So you remove the original sticker and put this down AND THEN you ADD YOUR HEATSINK..... MAYBE..... loginally we KNOW it WILL NOT COOL ANYTHING on it s OWN.... so this is the ONLY THING I can think of that makes ANY SENSE!! lol
I like the copper wire cooler, they should've been honest about marketing. It looks pretty and cools adequately so why the lies seems like a good product.
Wow, have never seen a machine crash due to overheated SSD. I guess it was the system volume, but what's the error message on a crash like that? Does the OS just time out and panic?
I think that's a very very bad design. Totally unacceptable that a PC part can hang the whole system that way.
@@pi1ns Yup, I'm not impressed. It depends somewhat on the error (maybe Windows over-reacted) but it should have just throttled rather than failing like that. The Crucial site says "Non-heatsink versions of the Crucial T700 must be installed with a motherboard or alternate heatsink to achieve optimal performance." - instead it seems like they should say "must have heatsink" full stop.
Try to use the yeji as a thermalpad for some of the coolers, of course removing the black paint where the logo is printed.
Makes me wonder how much energy, time and material is used to produce those pads that are pretty much trash for the intended purpose.
Great video! I tried some jeyi hardware and in general for the price is ok. In my case I am really happy with the big heatsink that they made in CNC aluminium (the version with the long fins on the same direction of the airflow, not the one with the short ones). In my case this heatsink can keep a WD 850X pretty stable with a max temperature of 54c during benchmarks (ambient around 24c). I am not using the provided thermalpad by Jeyi thought, I am using a thermalpad from thermalright and the drive is not throtling at all. I would be happy if you try also this model in your review. Also, the ones from Jeyi with the short fins, I used one in a SFF build with a vertical airflow and the performance was really good (considering the limited airflow in a small case). I think when you review a "short" heatsink for M2 drives you should consider vertical airflow instead the standard horizontal airflow we have in most cases.
Thank you Roman for testing stuff like this !
Would love to see the same kind of round up for CPU waterblocks, more precisely for AM5 delidded CPUs
There's plenty waterblocks out there, would be very interesting to see how the very cheap ones from amazon/aliexpress etc. perform on a delidded 7800X3D :D
I believe the idea behind hollow heat exchange pipes is that it reduces the overall mass of the copper components while still carrying heat away. If they are solid, they'd become heat soaked easier. As far as the gen5 high temp issue, I'm gonna try and put my faith in technological advancement. I believe I read that it's the nand controller that's heating up and to me, that really seems like an issue that will improve as the technology evolves. Hopefully soon so laptop owners can benefit from the gen5 speeds.
Do you think the fans on the FIVE DUAL would be noticeable if it was actually in a case, since higher frequency tones should get muffled pretty easily?
Same thing I was thinking, since his set up is out in the open for testing, I would think it would be more noticeable but I already have 3 corsair fans right next to me and that would drown out anything going on inside lol.
Also I expect to see a crystaldiskmark bench of that cat at 7:51. I need to know how it handles sequential pets and cuddles.
IF the graphene was actually oriented correctly it could serve as a heat spreader to better utilize a proper heatsink mounted on top of it.
Not sure if the adhesive layer ruins the potential gains though.
I have a Jeyi Eagle Ps5 heatsink which works great.
I think the Jeyi foil tested is a heat-spreader label meant to be used together with an ssd heatsink.
How does a blob of grease spread on top compare to ""heatsink"" stickers?
That coper sticker is for use in a laptop.
A lot off ssd in a laptop are cool down from fresh air from the intake.
You have to test it in a laptop.
Just got a Lares 2TB gen 4 that came with one of those foil type heat spreaders. In the same test it tops out at 54c with max speeds being 7112 MB/s read, 6645 MB/s write. Idle temp of 44c
Man love this content 😍😍😍
I can't help but to think that one could do a better heatsink with aluminium drink-can, scissors and some metal-wire and rubber-bands.
Use the first or last cooler and install a 90x90 fan running at 7 volt to cool it instead (you can get 7 volt by connecting the fan between 5v and 12v).
basically all premade active cooling systems are unusable due to the noise
some of them may be good for much lower loads (like U12A is capable of handling something like 120W spread over a bigger area) but it's far from what is advertised because max speeds are unfeasible for end user applications
It was my understanding you were supposed to use the sticker in combination with any heatsink for more efficient cooling, with and without with even just the Mobo Heatsinks I feel would be useful to know for sure.
The crazy thing about that M12 is the fact that after cutting open to show the inside, now you can get the same cooling out of that unit with no problem, installing it just like that😂😂Now that's some USA USA tech for you!
I would like to see you mount another of the heatsinks on top of the sticker with some thermal paste. It looks like an intermediary layer. I know it isn't but the test may be interesting.
Given the price, I'd assume it's plastic and not graphene anyway.
And a foil of copper would still be worse than using paste between the m2 and another cooler solution.
samsung nvme ssd come withthose coper sticker.
could you test the following:
default SSD with its copper sticker + a heatsink ontop
default SSD , remove that copper sticker + a heatsink ontop.
would like to know if that sticker has an impact on heat extraction.
bonus: "spreading the heat" may be interresting for fimware that also spread the load on several nand ? ...
Great insight. Thank you. But do you have any M.2 heat sink that you do recommend from Aliexpress or anywhere else that would be your best choice?
I wonder how the Ineo would perform with a small fan attached to it to pull hot air away from the SSD. Worth a look?
Those stickers have racing stripes, obviously it was a mistranslation and it doesn't decrease temp by 10 degrees, they add 10km/h to its top speed ;)
7:57 I was waiting for this video for weeks ever since I saw this "thing" 😂
*Also as point of note.*
The fact that youre testing some of them on an open test bench might skew the results a little compared to real world scenarios where people have their machines in enclosed cases and 3-6 fans moving air in and out of the case.
In a real world scenario. You might get away with not needing to have the fan in at all if you have good airflow inside your case.
G'day Shiek, Makita & Roman,
I think the M.2-Five Dual would be better with a PWM Power, that way you could plug it into the Mobo & Control the Fan Speed to a Temp/Noise compromise.
@der8auer EN, JEYI have got few interesing M.2 SSD heatsinks. But only one decent actually sell in China - Xiaolong 2. It's have got copper base (2280 long), copper fins, slim fan and 4-pin power connector. Others two are similar, but full fins and no fan (one slim fins, another tall fins). Problem with them - they connected to aluminum base andd not to SSD directly.
It's main problem with most M.2 SSD - incomplete design.
I nearly bought the Jeyi sticker, but thought twice and got a more normal vktech heatsink which does suitably keep temps down enough to never throttle.
Would be interesting to see how the Ineo performed with some gentle air flow over it.
Seems to me that you should come up with a passive and active designs that actually perform. Also worth mention what is the best a target temperature for these things are as i have seen else where is is the window for best performance and LN2 would not help.
Get some 1.5mm thick Arctic TP-3 120mm x 20mm thermal pads and replace your stock thermal pads that come on your mainboard heat spreaders. You won't be able to make your drives break 50-55C. So long as your board has descent SSD heat sinks. All you need.
Maby the JEYI M.2 Copper Graphene Heatsink could be use as a spacer for another Heatsink? You said it does a good job spreading out the heat, Or would it just add more complexity in trying to dissipate heat? Unless the price is a little much for a spacer.
If it's in place of another sticker, it's good (the real brands using these stickers also use them as a product label). It adds 1 extra thermal interface, same as a regular sticker. But vs no sticker, it's worse. Just spreading the heat laterally in a thicker aluminum HS works fine.
i'm fascinated by roman's fascination with obscure aliexpress m2 coolers 🦀
Can we have by any change all M.2 coolers you tested in some nice spreadsheet with results?
There is a big difference between a heat sink and a heat spreader. A sink simply provides thermal mass so the device will take longer to heat up. A spreader increases surface area so actually increases cooling potential. Of course there functions will always overlap. But something advertised as a heatsink should be tested as such, if it still gets hot but it takes longer its actually a success. Also as that functionality is what matters for most people for things like SSDs. Stress test performance, especially for SSDs, is only relevant for an extremely tiny number of users.
As potentoal followup, how about slapping on the dirt cheap and easy to fit heatsinks that are similar to the first one but without any fans? Probably effective if there is any airflow
I want something pointless to plug into my unused M.2 slots. I don't know if possible to power things via the M.2 but it'd be pretty dope if it was.
i love videos testing strange/unique products!
Those stickers are used like cheap ram heat spreaders to protect from ESD and people knocking bits off when they handle it.
Why were these M2's not tested in a Gen5 slot?
as far as way too tall SSD heatsinks go that M12 at least has a neat unique look
these roundups are pretty entertaining if for no other reason than to see the weird stuff being pushed!
hmmm what most computer review videos seem to not understand about thermodynamics is the contribution of radiant heat transfer. for electronics that are passively cooled (so like without forced air), the contribution of radiant heat transfer is more important than convection. that means the color of a hot object is very important because of its black body radiation. thats the whole point of those pyrolytic graphite stickers. they have a matt black surface finish which is the best surface for radiating heat away, while a polished copper/silver surface is the worst. i suspect you are making the wrong comparison if all you are focused on is surface area....
Could you explain a little better, does that mean the sticker works even a little?
@@northonfoster5323 ya if youre going for thermal mass due to temp spikes, the sticker is useless. if your going for long term net heat dissipation, the stickers will signficantly increase the heat loss over a long period of time by around 40%. heat doesnt like to leave shiny surfaces as photons in the IR spectrum, but it really likes to leave matt black surfaces. if you dont have air flowing over a heat sink, there is significant gain in overall heat shedding ability just by simply changing the color of an object. its why iphones are covered in black stuff on the inside. its why firewood stoves for heating are painted matt black. the paint/color slows down the convection heat loss, but that only accounts for a minority of the heat loss of a hot object in a room with normal air convection. it dramatically increases the radieative heat transfer through photon emission in the ir spectrum. its all very intuitive if you play around with a thermal camera, you will notice the color of objects is very important for them producing light that can be picked up by the IR sensor
@@vevenaneathna thanks for the explanation I can have a little peace of mind, knowing that I didn't throw away my money completely 😅
Thank you very much for this video, these tests were useful!
I got a Thermalright HR10 off ali express (off the "official seller") and am very pleased with my temps despite it being passive.
In general, the memory control chip, of PCIe 5.0 M2 SSDs, ~80-90%, are still made with the outdated 12nm manufacturing-process technology, so they require a lot of current and get very hot. /A Circal T700 too 12nm-es process! / I will not buy a PCI exp 5.0 m2 ssd until much more advanced manufacturing technology spreads in this segment as well! PCI exp 4 is already mature, there are SSDs manufactured with 8 and 6-5nm technology. I use those. I'll switch if they offer a reasonable price and good quality, not a heater with giant fins and fans!
LMAO! Imagine the usual note on Ali Express where they point out that the product size can differ 2-4 mm depending on human error or whatever they use to blame it on... still, on the "graphene cooler" it is at least written in the correct thickness at least once :P
Regarding the first cooler, I would like to see a regular fan connector instead, and PWM possibly could make it a lot more useful. In that way you could at least power down the fans so your ear wouldn't hear that loud noise. I do believe that different people can hear a very wide range of noise that others maybe can't. For at least me and my mother, we can see the flicker in some florescent lights, most people can't. Also, I have tinnitus, but I can notice sounds my cat doesn't notice. very odd indeed.
The last cooler was too bad it was a scam in the way that it didn't have heat pipes. Imagine how good it maybe could have been if it was real heat pipes. But I guess, that if it would have been heat pipes, it would not have been a continuous pipe, it would have been several u-shaped pipes. I wonder how many Chinese people/companies that really think they are making something good and don't know it vs. the amount of those that just don't give a damn. I would like to believe that they would succeed much more of they just went all the way and made a great product instead of somewhat good product. In my opinion it's a scam, but with a working end result. It would be nice if Roman could check the purity of that copper since he thought the weight was too little to be solid copper.
I would love to be able to one day visit Thermal Grizzly and take a look at their "Museum of Shitty Coolers" :) Love from a Swedish, a descendant of Germany; Engelke
The first one, (dual fan), those aren't axial or radial fans, those are impellers.
Not sure if there are m.2 SSDs with just bare chips on them, but if you put on that copper sticker on such ssd and stick it under stock MB heatsink it could be better than only thermal pad under heatsink.
Perhaps there is something lost in translation.
no there are no ssds with bare silicon exposed. At least not the ones from good brands. It's possible to make that though
I don't get why the temps on a gen 5 drive in a gen 4 slot are even that high, my Gen 4 SN850X and Firecuda 530 4 Tb drives don't even break 50c with the motherboard heatsinks. The WD ones are about 10c hotter too due to different ram and controller, but the speeds are the same and I have them in raid 0 for around 13800 read speed.
The graphene reading as only 90% infer that it is carbon in a resin matrix. Most likely waste carbon fiber filament shredded, crushed, infused with resin. Creating a graphene like material with substantially lower performance.
I like the cooper coil reminds of those crazy motherbaords with heatpipes and tons of copper fins for everything back in the 775 days
I use in a laptop coper plaat vs non.
On my hp ssd .
Without it the temp go up and crash .
With that thin small coper plate it stabel to use .
Somtimes you only need a small thin coper plate
I am currently using jeyi graphene with thermal pads. But I don't know if it works but thank you for enlightening me. 😂❤
Can you test the Thermalright HR-09/PRO and the HR-10/PRO models. Those 4 are well reviewed but not my reputable sources unfortunately.
im curios that what will happen if you dont plug in Five Dual, basically with just passive heatsinks?
My Adata XPG PCIe 4.0 SSD came with a cooler similar to the sticker one but it's much thicker, I didn't used it anyway as I'm using the board cooler so can't say anything about it's temps...
That coper cooler is actually cool, would use it for looks :)
That M12 heat sink is a BEAST 😂 who would actually run that? I’d totally give it a go if I had enough clearance
It would be more beast if they add the large heatsink fins on the top of it
doable with enough memory risers
I run a Cryorig Frostbit cooler and it performs well. Heatsink is adjustable and I have it pointed under GPU intake fan so it gets active cooling.
@@FrozenHaxor I think Roman tested that & said it could use some thermal paste between the heat pipe & the block itself.
@@kevinerbs2778 Yes, I believe it was in the manual, I packed the heatpipe with paste when installing it.
That copper wire heatsink is hilariously dumb considering how expensive copper is these days, but it does look pretty cool. It would be perfect for a copper or steampunk build.
heatspreaders like that jeyi might be good for older drives
Why aren't you testing that orange heatsink in front of you?
I'm surprised by the SSD speed test, expected it to be faster, it's samey than my Gen4 T500 ??
Some of these can really help "in system" with gen 5 drives, they seem to get a little warm.
You can make a combination of the 3 ... The fans, the copper, the paste, the stickers from manufacturer or not, no LED... maybe some liquids like nitro ... Make bigger is always the solution: bigger fans and liquid metal 🤔
I just put 40mm noctua fans pointing at the motherboard heatsinks. at 3500rpm they are pretty quiet, and they do keep SSD's about 10C cooler.
the JEYI (not) heatsink would probably work well as a replacement for the m.2's label, under a real heatsink.
Cat at 7:52
Even a scummy cooler can figure out Sata connector unlike many official I get wit Molex
You should check out ssd heatsinks from JEYI - the Iglacier Heavy duty or the Godfins model - are quite good.
I can't help but notice that you were slightly more careful with the German title: "This gets close to deceit" (rough translation, in Dutch it would be "dit grenst aan bedrog") vs "Pure scam".
I understand German and I was subscribed before you had the English channel so I still see the German video pop up too, also because occasionally you only do the video in German.
7:55 cat is gorgeous!
That's a shame Jeyi are selling that snake oil. Their enclosures (TB3/USB4) are really quite good.
I use their HDD switches - a thing that no one else makes, but I find incredibly useful. Looks decently made, works well - at least if you don't push it past reasonable.
By defintion a "pipe" should hollow to start with. Otherwise it's just a stick.
And the fun thing is JEYI is far from the worst m.2 radiators vendor. Actually the simple low profile radiators JEYI made is one of the best cheap solutions around.
i need cooling for my nvme it is burning @ 102 degree celcius . the plate from the motherboard was not good enought so i got a Archnon thicker heatsink.. still not good enought.
it just wont go down. i did wrote to Viper maybe they have a clue . one mm copper what a joke !
Maybe we will see solid state active cooling one day on these drives
Heat pipe.... It's like PiMax 8K.... 2x 4K display is 8K, right?
Try testing more of them, only 4 for a video ... would be nice have a ranking of everyone you tested at end + their price. Why not test them on a PCIE 5.0 SSD that heat more for have better idea if they are good enough.
Thanks for the warning!