I completely agree! A completely stealth out build at some trade show using this with that I believe ASUS MB with the GPU getting power from the MB would be insane to see. It would defy logic and I'm okie with that!
now youve said it. my next project will be made from stealth hardware from Gigabyte. I would REALLY love to have this block tested with that setup. @der8auer how hard would it be to to prototype this for stealth hardware?
Honestly, I think this is one of the best innovations I have seen in several years. To put it simply, I would buy it. Pair it with your copper cold plates you were showing Steve@GN, and those cable free mobos you showed from Asus (the ones with the extra PCI slot), and I think you would have one of the cleanest builds ever. I would love to hear from Bun (the chap that invented it)
@@zombl337og Yes, however AIO's are only marginally better than any other standard air cooler - which in my opinion makes these innovative solutions much more attractive.
Motherboards usually have an option on what to do after a power surge, stay off, turn on, or retain the state they had before power was lost (so if pc was on before losing power then turn on, otherwise turn off). That motherboard most likely has the option set to always turn on
@@dasiroIt's hardly a mistake, he was just slightly thrown off, given that as far as I'm aware he received the motherboard from the same person who made the block, has no reason to change that setting himself and that the setting usually defaults to "Stay off" I think it's quite reasonable for him to have missed it. The only reason I'm familiar with it is for my home lab server, which as far as I'm aware isn't a hobby Roman particulates in.
My main worry would be the flow rate through those very thin tubes but if it's not an issue then it looks really cool. As a side note, if anyone gets the chance to go to Vietnam it's such an amazing and beautiful country and the people are incredibly warm and welcoming.
An intriguing piece! I can definitely see an interest in the market. For my personal taste, I like the visible plumbing of a 'traditional' water liquid cooling loop. I'm even one of those weirdos that prefers to use fittings rather than bend tube. I just love that industrial vibe.
@@sinAnon6689 Yeah, doing research I purposefully watched every video I could find of how not to do it. The causes of failure are few in number it turns out. If it's not a fairly rare defect in the gear, it's almost always careless prep of materials and a lack of attention to detail during assembly coupled with a lack of testing. As I type I am watching the EK Superflush do its thing in the loop. Assembly and testing went very well. In a few hours I purge the loop, tint the clear coolant to my preferred shade of aquamarine and pray to the PC gods no misfortune befalls me.
@@fermitupoupon1754 I thought about it this go round. That's the lovely thing about water cooling. It's kind of like an apartment. If things get boring, just redecorate!
Brilliant idea. Kudos to those involved. I think this could be a fabulous idea in the SFF market. A community that often adopts modding to get the best out of the space and parts. The issue would be the clearance at the rear in the smallest volume cases and any rear mounted NVMe drives. However those cases that have a modular "sandwich" layout would provide the option for this type of block on an ITX mobo. As there are only 6 ITX mobos on AM5, it will be easy to check the rear mounted NVMe is clear. I can this working well, especially when paired with a GPU waterblock such as an EK option.
@@GewelReal That's like saying "Oh you would prefer the art a bit different? Just hang a black blanket over it, easiest fix ever". So no. I like the stealth look, not the no-look.
@@GewelReal Stuff don't have to be ugly just because they weren't intended to be watched 24/7. You might treat your face like that, but I ain't treating my PC like that. *Mic drop* I'm sorry buddy, that wasn't cool of me.
@@andiders I treat my PC and face well. But it's just a PC. Shove it under the desk with enough airflow and just use it as intended. Working on it + entertainment, not wasting 500$ in LEDs
My 2 cents: Looks awsome. I think if compatibility (rear and m.2 since pcie5.0 slots are usually close and require heatsinks) and cooling plate with fins are addressed would be very popular. Also love the LED too, makes you not have to put in coloured dye and the sediment which comes with that.
That is so cool! I am in shock. I don't see myself using one of these but I could see the potential. It won't be a high volume product but at the same time, I could see it being popular enough with modders. Like you mentioned, one would have to mod the case as well but what a neat concept!
Oh my God... The design of this water cooling block is beautiful! super clean, minimal and modern, and will allow more space for airflow in the case. I'm also excited about the new Streamcom passive cooled cases, it would be great to have a video about them. Thank you for another great video, Roman! Blessings
hello, I cleaned my graphics card yesterday, took the opportunity to change the cooling pads and cooling paste, and bought your products, and to my positive surprise, the temperature dropped by about 30 degrees under load, absolutely incredible. GPU is MSI 3090 Suprim X, can really recommend more people to try thermal grizzly's products
Direct-die mount setup will be more efficient looking to the small size of tubes, overall it looks fantastic! This waterblock can hide watertubes completely on my FD Define 7xl!
That looks amazing. 2 thoughts come to mind immediately: 1. If you have a radiator with the pump built in, this would be such a minimal and simple product. I could easily see this getting mass produced as you could fairly easily make it much smaller on the top and back. 2. Sealing the blocks with o-rings is great for replacability as they are the most likely part to break, but you could probably embed the seals for an easier assembly process. The flow should be more than adequate, as you actually need very little flow to reach the maximum pressure needed for heat transfer. One thing to keep in mind is that stepping down the tube-width, even with dual pipes, creates a lot of pressure, meaning your pump needs to work harder. A D5 though has more than enough pressure for a pretty massive setups and is very silent overall. I run dual 360 radiators and way to much tubing on a single D5. I used to have dual D5s, but it did absolutely nothing for performance compared to 1 D5 on roughly 50% RPM. Amazing mod overall !
I think it is worth looking into more. It does look really cool. Maybe do some more testing with flow rates, water temps, etc. I think it would be worth looking into for mass production if you can keep the price in check. If it is going to cost anything more than $200, I’m not sure it would be worth it. Case compatibility will be an issue no matter what you do with the back plate I think though. You still will need to get the tubes back to the front eventually as the rads and pump will normally still be in the main section. You also have the GPU if it is a full loop. Not all cases have the room to make that happen. It might be cool if you could find a way to cleanly tie into the GPU block as well. That would probably need a partnership with EK to develop a special backplate line since there are so many different GPU blocks.
Iv recently switched from a 240mm AIO to the ND- 15 Air Cooler and I’m now a serious believer in CPU Air Cooling. It’s also nice not having the worry of water leaking
I’ve done air cooling, but it’s not for me. I like big CPUs, my current one is a 7950X, and it goes from 60C idle to 90C under load basically instantly. With an air cooler that means I get fans spinning up and slowing down all the time, which is a noise I find insufferable, but with water cooling I can control the fans by the water temperature and effectively get perfect cooling at a steady fan speed. Yeah I could set the air cooler fans to spin at 100% constantly, but that’s still an unpleasant level of noise. The water cooling only goes over like 50% fan speed after I’ve run something very intense for a very long time.
Love the design and the concept, haven’t used water cooling in over 15 years because I couldn’t be bothered with the tubing, however I would personally buy something like this. It’s compact, fits neatly and removes the hassles of using an AIO. Honestly looks amazing.
This seems like a much bigger hassle than an aio, if you need to change your cpu you have to get access to the backplate, somehow separate the two halves without dripping water everywhere, and then worry about the seal when you reassemble it, whereas an aio mounts the same as an air cooler and can be removed without access to the back
I really like this concept, would be fascinating if it could actually be optimized for a production product. My biggest 2 concerns are VRM temps (the block looks like it restricts airflow in those areas) and how the block's flow rate compares to other water block designs.
Yes this is one of the biggest cooling changes in the last years. Would also look into making a GPU waterblock that has the tube mounts under the card so they are hidden. Going for the full stealth watercooling build is the future
It's a cool concept but the price would restrict it to custom display builds. Stick to your latest ideas of the watercooling blocks and direct die. I'll be buying those!
respect to the amount of work that went into designing this. I would LOVE to build with these kind of waterblocks... i build custom watercooled pc's as a hobby and also professional, so having these as an option would bring WAY more variety to the custom watercooled scene.
as long as the cold plate is fixed and performance improved to be on par with what is in the market, id be so in on this.... this totally changes the way we can run our loops and the aesthetic choices that we will have!!! super exciting!
6:10 btw, you mentioned that you had to provide your own screws, modding cafe released a video about this cooler, they mentioned that they reused the screws that came off the amd bracket. Length should be standard i guess.
Absolutely AWESOME! A stealth water cooled build, especially in a split case like a O11 Dynamic EVO would be amazing. It will probably be a niche product in a niche arena (custom water loops aren't exactly main stream), but DANG! Truly a sight to behold. 😎
Woah you got your hands on this thing! Glad I caught it the second it dropped, excited to see how it performs as well if you intend to do some performance testing on it to benchmark it vs other blocks
such a neat concept. the pass through tubes are going to limit flow as has been said but from a looks standpoint is absolutely stunning and the build quality appears unreal. this would look SO GOOD in my home theater build where performance isn't a primary goal, as it is now.
I had just seen GGF Events build with this block, and I had almost worked it out. This block idea is super cool, I’d be curious about the flow through the small tubes, but still very clever! For sure a better plate, that looked rough (literally). Thanks for the video!
I saw this block on a different PC build video and had to order one and I was able to get one from Bitspower and it is awesome. I am running an AIO in a Tower 300 case and this is the first part for my custom water cooling system. I've been using liquid cooling in my computer builds for the last 20 years
Nifty, mass market it once that cold plate is changed to fix the cpu contact area and have the water side expanded within the acrylic to increase the metal surface area contacting the water flow. Basically make larger internally with additional fins.
The sealing to the tubes could be possibly be done from the rear of the board, I'm sure that's been thought of but worth coming back to a few times when looking at other innovations/optimizations. The metal tubes could be sealed with fittings instead of the current large acrylic piece. I'm not exactly sure of what fittings; perhaps compression fittings, or having the metal tubes threaded on the outside, or some sort of factory installed nut and flare the tubing to hold the nut in place. Maybe just smaller hoses and tiny hose clamps. You would have four little stringy tubes to deal with on the back of the board which would be a tradeoff because it may be more messy but it shouldn't be hard to hide and seems like it would take up much less space. The tubes could also continue to be sealed from the front as in the current design, so sealed during install on both sides. On the back of the board the tubes could be bent at 90° and have fittings. Obviously anything with fittings on the tubes would need a Y-adapter to mate with traditional tubing, so that is an additional piece in the kit and cost.
Roman make it Ill Buy It, I have been waiting for this for 10 years now... My suggestions are: 1. the jetplate should be on the CPI chiplets and not the middle of the CPU. 2. You should offer a direct Dye mounting plate and backplate offset. 3. You should remove the flow thingy. 4. The metal magnetic aesthetic frame should NOT be all around the block but just the top where the LED strip is placed for a cleaner look. 5. You should put a chrome adhesive film behind the block acrylic so it will seem as if inside it has a mirror finish. 6. You should offer a non acrylic version but all copper nickel or other galvanic looks and or acetal. BY NO MEANS YOU SHOULD CHANGE THE PORTS LAYOUT even if I agree you can make the rear distro much smaller and thinner
I like it. I've been planning doing a build that you can't see ANY tubing at all. CPU block was always the problem though. This is an awesome solution. I want one.
This is definitely something I would like to see make it to the mass market as a product I can buy! Thinking about it from your point of view though, I am worried not enough people would buy one, even though I certainly would. It could just take a while to sell out the first run/batch of the product.
be really nice for a sandwich style itx case. I can also see it being a distro plate if it was a little bigger on the back side. but like you said would depend on the case design to be compatible. but this needs to happen i love it.
I really like how clean that block looks once installed. The only possible issue maybe would be plumping the backside of the mb for liquid. But the block is really nice looking.
I don't think I would ever buy one, but I really appreciate the looks and design. It is nice seeing things that aren't the same cookie-cutter product over and over again.
I respect the immediate proper testing, but this block looks incredible and the ingenuity of it is amazing. If The creator perfects the design I would 100% buy this over front tubing AIO's
I toyed around with this idea a few years ago, the way I did mine was with an EK velocity cold plate for the 10xxx series intel, roughly the same with the front plate, but the rear plate I milled from 304 stainless , brazed the pass through tubes directly to the rear plate which I made 9mm thick over the fittings and had a recessed female G1/4 thread directly over them, kept my profile small so it only stuck out around 2mm from the mobo mounting tray and could have any standard fitting straight off them.
First off, I LOVE the idea! To end up with such a clean aesthetic is pretty dang cool and I'd love to see some variation of this on the actual market for purchase I have just two major concerns though - the first of which is motherboard and case compatibility, which you already touched on. I'm sure if making it into a TG product, you'd address most potential issues there, so I'm less concerned about that. The biggest concern is that obviously the majority of custom loops don't pass tubing through to the backside of the motherboard tray, so this is a potentially huge hurdle for many people. If you would desire this product to be anything more than an extremely low-volume niche custom product, it would be cool to pair it with something like a front/back radiator or custom distro block, for the most common cases, to help ease potential buyers into the build process with something like this
I have the coolmaster mf700 case. Its a unique case that requires hvy modification, but i like the look. One of the issues is clean runs of tubing. With rads on wings, you'll find most builds running their tubing /resvior in front of rads for a horrible look. This approach would give more options. Additionally always toyed with using aquarium chiller to chill the coolant. A board that mounts to front and back making a seal around cpu though a way to create a vacuum might be needed. This offers the benefits of no condensation forming. Well at least around cpu enclosed area
Really like the concept been on the fence about water cooling my pc for years and something unique like this would probably push me over the edge to pull the trigger.
It looks great, I think this is a great idea. I don't think the back part of it will have that much of an impact on the motherboard tray, like the stand-offs and the cable management are should suffice and the block looks like it stays withing the 4 Mini Itx screws for any board maybe focus to male the front smaller so that it fits on more motgerboards. As some boards have very tall heatsinks that might be on the way, like that M.2 heatsink on yours. Would look really good in one of those no cable builds that some manufacturers were trying to sell a little while back, like a system with no visible tubes or wires, sounds like a dream xD
This is a really cool project and I think for what it is pretty well sized, yeah having it being smaller is ideal you could shorten the back plate with internal runs going more inward to the middle but it looks really good🎉. Ban seems like a chill guy and really awesome to see him get some backing, what creative thinking, hope its a good collaboration 😃
The smaller tubes into the block will likely have minimal impact to flow simply because the block/fins are likely more restrictive. What this does do is open us to the possibility of using smaller and more flexible tubing. Replacing the two large tubes with four smaller tubes that match the diameter of the tubes passing through the board, could allow for a much thinner back plate and improve case compatibility. The front plate seems too large for what it is. Much of the bulk in today's water blocks is the size needed to mount the inlet and outlet tubing. Without those, I would expect the block to be much smaller. That said, awesome proof of concept.
This is really cool. I don’t even do water cooling for my comps yet. But it’s exciting as heck to see independent design and innovation. Reminds me of the old days of custom pc, when I was a kid watching my dad work on them. Big thumbs up from me 👍
As a person who only looks into their PC when it doesn't boot up properly, I wouldn't buy it. But, it is a step forward. I think it's going to be an interesting option for a lot of people out there.
I am a huge fan of "Modding Cafe". Ban is a true artist and I have LOVED this design ever since he first debuted it on TH-cam a year or two ago I think? I would 100% buy this block and drain my custom hardline build to put this block in, I love it! Give us a LGA 1700 version!!
Very cool waterblock innovation! Obviously case compatibility is it's biggest issue. One of the stand out products from Computex. Bravo to the modder who invented it!
I think that it's an awesome block setup and definitely would love to see it be worked in a way that it would truly universal for any mother board or motherboard manufacturer work to make their board compatible with it
"Stealth Tubing" is a very aesthetically pleasing design. My largest worry was case compatibility which you mentioned, and secondary the performance, and tertiary the appearance. I'm very interested in seeing a mass production item using the back-side tubing, and I think the visual flow meter was cool, and I think the "understated" RGB was a good match for the "clean" design with no obvious tubes. Even if your goal is to showcase other parts, any showcase design would benefit from the reduced visual clutter, and it's beautiful on its own.
I would totally buy this. Honestly I wouldn't worry about compatibility that much because a specialty product like this will be built around. Like I would plan my build around its dimensions and not based on the motherboard.
6:15 I think that's a BIOS option. It allows the computer to start in case of a power failure. My first computer from the early 2000s had that option enable, but I only figure it out a decade later.
That roughness on the bottom of the waterblock could actually help improve heat transfer efficiency, since roughing it's surface like that essentially increases the surface area of the block so more metal is in contact with thermal paste than if it were flat and smooth. I've always wondered why bottoms of waterblocks are shiny and smooth rather than roughed up in some way.
Drilling out the motherboard holes would allow for bigger tubes, and much more flow. Most PCBs have a few MM of clearance around each mounting hole. Just another MM larger tubing would probably double the flow.
This is absolutely amazing and I would prefer this with soft tubing at the back than hardline like I have now because it was a pain in the ass to bend and assemble. Also, would it be possible to have some kind of cold plate on the back side as well to have the CPU cooled from both sides?
Never considered using water cooling since I don't push my system too much, but if I was, this would definitely be a top contender because it's so aesthetically pleasing, such a great idea. Looking forward to seeing what you can do with it to refine it and make a better cold plate.
This is honestly very cool. Not sure that it'd be very compatible with cases, but, I can see this being done on the server side of things as well, to fit into smaller chassis and utilize some space under the motherboard which is usually just a dust collector.
Wow, I did not get it how or why, but it's very cool. It's sad that the Temps are hot like air-cooled at 93C. I enjoy seeing the tubing in my builds. Look forward to seeing the future development of this block for those who want something different. Thank you! Aloha!
This is a really nice design! Note that it's not the first time it has been done. In the past I saw some guy on the net do something similar, probably between 2010 and 2016 or so. Unfortunately I tried looking everywhere and couldn't find a single mention of it anymore. Some old stuff are just impossible to find on the net sometimes, sadly, and I didn't seem to have saved it either.
6:30 lots of motherboards go to there last power state when power is connected. So if the system was on, when the power is connected the system will automatically turn on. If the system was off when power was removed, and power is plugged back in, the system will be off.
It is absolutely beautiful, the design is and I imagine would be even better with the additional tooling of the cold plate along with possibly thinning of the acrylic water blocks if possible. If the blocks were thinner it would possibly fit more cases.
Very cool, loved seeing this video! Very innovative concept. Personally I really like the look of hard-tubing routing into my blocks so I likely wouldn't build around this but I'm certain there'll be many interested folk as tastes differ! Cheers to all 🍻
I think it's a very promising solution. Firstly, the water mains can be placed on the back side of the system unit and secondly, the absence of water mains in the foreground will improve the performance of stock cooling of the video card.
6:16 Check your BIOS settings. It may be set to boot when power is restored. MBs that have that option usually give you 3 choices - Turn on, stat off, or return to last state. Not sure exactly what the setting is called off the top of my head, though.
This was very interesting and I think it is something that should come out to the market. Especially if it can be adapted to allow any cold plate to be inserted. I wouldn't mind having a closer look at this product. I will be watching this product very closely.
Really cool, the back block could certainly be made smaller by using thinner tubes (like an AIO) that connect to another distribution block which then connects to larger, more standard sized tubing.
Very cool looking. Shouldn't be to hard to simplify and thin the backside. I whold probably het rid of the acrylic alltogether on that side and connect straight to the screws.
Would pair nicely with one of the new 'hidden cables on the back' motherboards (which require a fair amount of z-axis room on the back anyway).
I completely agree! A completely stealth out build at some trade show using this with that I believe ASUS MB with the GPU getting power from the MB would be insane to see. It would defy logic and I'm okie with that!
now youve said it. my next project will be made from stealth hardware from Gigabyte. I would REALLY love to have this block tested with that setup. @der8auer how hard would it be to to prototype this for stealth hardware?
When do we start just flipping the motherboard around? :p
Water blocks everywhere! Wish I could install one on my body during the summers. I'm always throttling.
They actually do have these "cool shirts" used in racing/drifting that works exactly like a waterblock.
Well, you already have one, with multipurpose pump and radiator that covers your whole body and fin stack increasing over time
Hahaha
@@pinguinfromnkvd5774 and you can even say it has an additional phase transition cooling integrated into it that engages under more harsh conditions!
Well Conduction is better for heat transfer than convection that we normally use to cool ourselves.
Honestly, I think this is one of the best innovations I have seen in several years. To put it simply, I would buy it. Pair it with your copper cold plates you were showing Steve@GN, and those cable free mobos you showed from Asus (the ones with the extra PCI slot), and I think you would have one of the cleanest builds ever. I would love to hear from Bun (the chap that invented it)
To be honest, I have never been interested in water cooling, but this thing is absolutely gorgeous! This needs to happen!
you can always get an AIO and skip the custom loop
@@zombl337og Yes, however AIO's are only marginally better than any other standard air cooler - which in my opinion makes these innovative solutions much more attractive.
i know these are much better, but an AIO is super easy for some gains over 100% AIR@@samuelbojko9929
Motherboards usually have an option on what to do after a power surge, stay off, turn on, or retain the state they had before power was lost (so if pc was on before losing power then turn on, otherwise turn off). That motherboard most likely has the option set to always turn on
Came here to say that. Option is usually called something like "Remember last power on state".
I'm guessing Roman surely wouldn't make such a rookie-mistake 😂
@@dasiroIt's hardly a mistake, he was just slightly thrown off, given that as far as I'm aware he received the motherboard from the same person who made the block, has no reason to change that setting himself and that the setting usually defaults to "Stay off" I think it's quite reasonable for him to have missed it. The only reason I'm familiar with it is for my home lab server, which as far as I'm aware isn't a hobby Roman particulates in.
My motherboard will turn on after power surge, no matter the setting. It's so freaking annoying.
that's indeed a very good guess but unfortunately it's turned off :(
My main worry would be the flow rate through those very thin tubes but if it's not an issue then it looks really cool.
As a side note, if anyone gets the chance to go to Vietnam it's such an amazing and beautiful country and the people are incredibly warm and welcoming.
It can not be any worse than AIO coolers. Their inlets are just as small
from the video the flow seemed pretty good.
Flow rate should be more than enough. It looks really cool
And if you're enjoy visiting Vietnam, you should also come here to Thailand as well :). Just a little bit to the west from there.
@@mihabolil4oyeah, but that doesn’t seem like a high bar to set. Why would you limit your flow rate to the level of an aio?
1000X Yes fine tune and this would be an amazing piece
Love this concept! A few more iterations and I think it would be ready for prime time.
An intriguing piece! I can definitely see an interest in the market. For my personal taste, I like the visible plumbing of a 'traditional' water liquid cooling loop. I'm even one of those weirdos that prefers to use fittings rather than bend tube. I just love that industrial vibe.
Steampunk look.
@@brodriguez11000 full copper hardline is such a good look.
@@sinAnon6689 Yeah, doing research I purposefully watched every video I could find of how not to do it. The causes of failure are few in number it turns out. If it's not a fairly rare defect in the gear, it's almost always careless prep of materials and a lack of attention to detail during assembly coupled with a lack of testing.
As I type I am watching the EK Superflush do its thing in the loop. Assembly and testing went very well. In a few hours I purge the loop, tint the clear coolant to my preferred shade of aquamarine and pray to the PC gods no misfortune befalls me.
@@fermitupoupon1754 I thought about it this go round. That's the lovely thing about water cooling. It's kind of like an apartment. If things get boring, just redecorate!
Brilliant idea. Kudos to those involved.
I think this could be a fabulous idea in the SFF market. A community that often adopts modding to get the best out of the space and parts. The issue would be the clearance at the rear in the smallest volume cases and any rear mounted NVMe drives. However those cases that have a modular "sandwich" layout would provide the option for this type of block on an ITX mobo. As there are only 6 ITX mobos on AM5, it will be easy to check the rear mounted NVMe is clear. I can this working well, especially when paired with a GPU waterblock such as an EK option.
I love stealth concept in general. Like motherboards having connectors on the backside, and this with the waterblock is just so damn cool!
Just don't use a glass side panel. Easiest fix ever
@@GewelReal That's like saying "Oh you would prefer the art a bit different? Just hang a black blanket over it, easiest fix ever".
So no. I like the stealth look, not the no-look.
@@andiders if you spend more time looking at your PC than using it I think you have a problem
@@GewelReal Stuff don't have to be ugly just because they weren't intended to be watched 24/7. You might treat your face like that, but I ain't treating my PC like that.
*Mic drop*
I'm sorry buddy, that wasn't cool of me.
@@andiders I treat my PC and face well. But it's just a PC. Shove it under the desk with enough airflow and just use it as intended. Working on it + entertainment, not wasting 500$ in LEDs
YES please bring to production
My 2 cents: Looks awsome. I think if compatibility (rear and m.2 since pcie5.0 slots are usually close and require heatsinks) and cooling plate with fins are addressed would be very popular. Also love the LED too, makes you not have to put in coloured dye and the sediment which comes with that.
That is so cool! I am in shock. I don't see myself using one of these but I could see the potential. It won't be a high volume product but at the same time, I could see it being popular enough with modders. Like you mentioned, one would have to mod the case as well but what a neat concept!
Looks great! Would love to be able to use this in a direct-die mount set up.
Oh my God... The design of this water cooling block is beautiful! super clean, minimal and modern, and will allow more space for airflow in the case. I'm also excited about the new Streamcom passive cooled cases, it would be great to have a video about them. Thank you for another great video, Roman! Blessings
Happy to see someone coming up with an original idea and the industry giving props. When it goes into mass production, I will definitely buy one
hello, I cleaned my graphics card yesterday, took the opportunity to change the cooling pads and cooling paste, and bought your products, and to my positive surprise, the temperature dropped by about 30 degrees under load, absolutely incredible. GPU is MSI 3090 Suprim X, can really recommend more people to try thermal grizzly's products
I have never thought I'd want a water block as bad as this one, for every reason it exists. Holy heck. +1 Please make - if possible!
Direct-die mount setup will be more efficient looking to the small size of tubes, overall it looks fantastic! This waterblock can hide watertubes completely on my FD Define 7xl!
this looks amazing. if the back size were smaller, I would love to put this in an sff case
That looks amazing.
2 thoughts come to mind immediately:
1. If you have a radiator with the pump built in, this would be such a minimal and simple product. I could easily see this getting mass produced as you could fairly easily make it much smaller on the top and back.
2. Sealing the blocks with o-rings is great for replacability as they are the most likely part to break, but you could probably embed the seals for an easier assembly process.
The flow should be more than adequate, as you actually need very little flow to reach the maximum pressure needed for heat transfer. One thing to keep in mind is that stepping down the tube-width, even with dual pipes, creates a lot of pressure, meaning your pump needs to work harder. A D5 though has more than enough pressure for a pretty massive setups and is very silent overall. I run dual 360 radiators and way to much tubing on a single D5. I used to have dual D5s, but it did absolutely nothing for performance compared to 1 D5 on roughly 50% RPM.
Amazing mod overall !
I think it is worth looking into more. It does look really cool. Maybe do some more testing with flow rates, water temps, etc.
I think it would be worth looking into for mass production if you can keep the price in check. If it is going to cost anything more than $200, I’m not sure it would be worth it.
Case compatibility will be an issue no matter what you do with the back plate I think though. You still will need to get the tubes back to the front eventually as the rads and pump will normally still be in the main section. You also have the GPU if it is a full loop. Not all cases have the room to make that happen.
It might be cool if you could find a way to cleanly tie into the GPU block as well. That would probably need a partnership with EK to develop a special backplate line since there are so many different GPU blocks.
absolutely worth taking it further! its an awesome concept if u can make it thinner on the back side of the motherboard to fit multiple cases.
Iv recently switched from a 240mm AIO to the ND- 15 Air Cooler and I’m now a serious believer in CPU Air Cooling. It’s also nice not having the worry of water leaking
I’ve done air cooling, but it’s not for me. I like big CPUs, my current one is a 7950X, and it goes from 60C idle to 90C under load basically instantly. With an air cooler that means I get fans spinning up and slowing down all the time, which is a noise I find insufferable, but with water cooling I can control the fans by the water temperature and effectively get perfect cooling at a steady fan speed. Yeah I could set the air cooler fans to spin at 100% constantly, but that’s still an unpleasant level of noise. The water cooling only goes over like 50% fan speed after I’ve run something very intense for a very long time.
@@СусаннаСергеевна I hope the rain doesn't hurt you.😢
@@DM-eq4rs Pardon?
Love the design and the concept, haven’t used water cooling in over 15 years because I couldn’t be bothered with the tubing, however I would personally buy something like this.
It’s compact, fits neatly and removes the hassles of using an AIO. Honestly looks amazing.
This seems like a much bigger hassle than an aio, if you need to change your cpu you have to get access to the backplate, somehow separate the two halves without dripping water everywhere, and then worry about the seal when you reassemble it, whereas an aio mounts the same as an air cooler and can be removed without access to the back
@@VerdASMR I've had coolers that require the use of a backplate.
@@Safetytrousers coolers that require use of a backplate filled with water? I doubt it.
I really like this concept, would be fascinating if it could actually be optimized for a production product. My biggest 2 concerns are VRM temps (the block looks like it restricts airflow in those areas) and how the block's flow rate compares to other water block designs.
Its very nice, but need direct die for it, and how will this affect the flow rate? We redy to pay only if product is better impact and better looks.
Yes this is one of the biggest cooling changes in the last years. Would also look into making a GPU waterblock that has the tube mounts under the card so they are hidden. Going for the full stealth watercooling build is the future
It's a cool concept but the price would restrict it to custom display builds. Stick to your latest ideas of the watercooling blocks and direct die. I'll be buying those!
This is sick! Definitely needs to be a high end coldplate and needs to be thinner. I'd love to have this in my water cooled case!
This is an amazing idea and mega props to the designer. I would definitely be interested in using one of these in a build.
respect to the amount of work that went into designing this. I would LOVE to build with these kind of waterblocks... i build custom watercooled pc's as a hobby and also professional, so having these as an option would bring WAY more variety to the custom watercooled scene.
as long as the cold plate is fixed and performance improved to be on par with what is in the market, id be so in on this.... this totally changes the way we can run our loops and the aesthetic choices that we will have!!! super exciting!
6:10 btw, you mentioned that you had to provide your own screws, modding cafe released a video about this cooler, they mentioned that they reused the screws that came off the amd bracket. Length should be standard i guess.
I love the design and idea since you get a better view of the water block without pipes in the way.
Absolutely AWESOME! A stealth water cooled build, especially in a split case like a O11 Dynamic EVO would be amazing. It will probably be a niche product in a niche arena (custom water loops aren't exactly main stream), but DANG! Truly a sight to behold. 😎
Woah you got your hands on this thing! Glad I caught it the second it dropped, excited to see how it performs as well if you intend to do some performance testing on it to benchmark it vs other blocks
such a neat concept.
the pass through tubes are going to limit flow as has been said but from a looks standpoint is absolutely stunning and the build quality appears unreal.
this would look SO GOOD in my home theater build where performance isn't a primary goal, as it is now.
Combines nicely with the new motherboards having all the connectors on the rear, getting rid of cable clutter too.
I had just seen GGF Events build with this block, and I had almost worked it out. This block idea is super cool, I’d be curious about the flow through the small tubes, but still very clever! For sure a better plate, that looked rough (literally). Thanks for the video!
Looks neat! Hopefully this design long term will be reliable against leaks.
I saw this block on a different PC build video and had to order one and I was able to get one from Bitspower and it is awesome. I am running an AIO in a Tower 300 case and this is the first part for my custom water cooling system. I've been using liquid cooling in my computer builds for the last 20 years
Nifty, mass market it once that cold plate is changed to fix the cpu contact area and have the water side expanded within the acrylic to increase the metal surface area contacting the water flow. Basically make larger internally with additional fins.
The sealing to the tubes could be possibly be done from the rear of the board, I'm sure that's been thought of but worth coming back to a few times when looking at other innovations/optimizations.
The metal tubes could be sealed with fittings instead of the current large acrylic piece. I'm not exactly sure of what fittings; perhaps compression fittings, or having the metal tubes threaded on the outside, or some sort of factory installed nut and flare the tubing to hold the nut in place. Maybe just smaller hoses and tiny hose clamps. You would have four little stringy tubes to deal with on the back of the board which would be a tradeoff because it may be more messy but it shouldn't be hard to hide and seems like it would take up much less space.
The tubes could also continue to be sealed from the front as in the current design, so sealed during install on both sides. On the back of the board the tubes could be bent at 90° and have fittings.
Obviously anything with fittings on the tubes would need a Y-adapter to mate with traditional tubing, so that is an additional piece in the kit and cost.
Genius innovation feeding water through the mounting holes! Would love to how this can be partied with rads and a pump in a clean way.
SIMPLY AMAZING!! I would def purchase for watering cooling if available. So I say YES! Super cool concept for sure!
Roman make it Ill Buy It, I have been waiting for this for 10 years now... My suggestions are:
1. the jetplate should be on the CPI chiplets and not the middle of the CPU.
2. You should offer a direct Dye mounting plate and backplate offset.
3. You should remove the flow thingy.
4. The metal magnetic aesthetic frame should NOT be all around the block but just the top where the LED strip is placed for a cleaner look.
5. You should put a chrome adhesive film behind the block acrylic so it will seem as if inside it has a mirror finish.
6. You should offer a non acrylic version but all copper nickel or other galvanic looks and or acetal.
BY NO MEANS YOU SHOULD CHANGE THE PORTS LAYOUT even if I agree you can make the rear distro much smaller and thinner
I like it. I've been planning doing a build that you can't see ANY tubing at all. CPU block was always the problem though.
This is an awesome solution. I want one.
love it! and go for it, yes and we know how would love one for that j2c
This is definitely something I would like to see make it to the mass market as a product I can buy!
Thinking about it from your point of view though, I am worried not enough people would buy one, even though I certainly would. It could just take a while to sell out the first run/batch of the product.
There's a feature in the BIOS that manage how the motherboard behaves upon reconnection to AC power. You might've changed it.
be really nice for a sandwich style itx case. I can also see it being a distro plate if it was a little bigger on the back side. but like you said would depend on the case design to be compatible. but this needs to happen i love it.
I would love to have this for my upgrade next year. It is gorgeous and slick so I would love to see more details after optimizations are done.
I really like how clean that block looks once installed. The only possible issue maybe would be plumping the backside of the mb for liquid. But the block is really nice looking.
looks great!!! I would love to try one out. As you mentioned yes, some tweeks here and there but overall, the right idea.
Looks awesome! Flow seemed pretty good considering the small tubes feeding the block.
I don't think I would ever buy one, but I really appreciate the looks and design. It is nice seeing things that aren't the same cookie-cutter product over and over again.
I respect the immediate proper testing, but this block looks incredible and the ingenuity of it is amazing. If The creator perfects the design I would 100% buy this over front tubing AIO's
I toyed around with this idea a few years ago, the way I did mine was with an EK velocity cold plate for the 10xxx series intel, roughly the same with the front plate, but the rear plate I milled from 304 stainless , brazed the pass through tubes directly to the rear plate which I made 9mm thick over the fittings and had a recessed female G1/4 thread directly over them, kept my profile small so it only stuck out around 2mm from the mobo mounting tray and could have any standard fitting straight off them.
This has to be one of the coolest invention this year. I really hope this will come to production!
it looks fantastic and I would love to see it come to the market! 👍
super cool stuff, great design and I think with a lot of companies moving towards cleaner looks this will definitely have a market.
This is the kind of innovation that gets me excited about tech again!
First off, I LOVE the idea! To end up with such a clean aesthetic is pretty dang cool and I'd love to see some variation of this on the actual market for purchase
I have just two major concerns though - the first of which is motherboard and case compatibility, which you already touched on. I'm sure if making it into a TG product, you'd address most potential issues there, so I'm less concerned about that. The biggest concern is that obviously the majority of custom loops don't pass tubing through to the backside of the motherboard tray, so this is a potentially huge hurdle for many people. If you would desire this product to be anything more than an extremely low-volume niche custom product, it would be cool to pair it with something like a front/back radiator or custom distro block, for the most common cases, to help ease potential buyers into the build process with something like this
I have the coolmaster mf700 case. Its a unique case that requires hvy modification, but i like the look. One of the issues is clean runs of tubing. With rads on wings, you'll find most builds running their tubing /resvior in front of rads for a horrible look. This approach would give more options.
Additionally always toyed with using aquarium chiller to chill the coolant. A board that mounts to front and back making a seal around cpu though a way to create a vacuum might be needed. This offers the benefits of no condensation forming. Well at least around cpu enclosed area
Really like the concept been on the fence about water cooling my pc for years and something unique like this would probably push me over the edge to pull the trigger.
It looks great, I think this is a great idea. I don't think the back part of it will have that much of an impact on the motherboard tray, like the stand-offs and the cable management are should suffice and the block looks like it stays withing the 4 Mini Itx screws for any board maybe focus to male the front smaller so that it fits on more motgerboards. As some boards have very tall heatsinks that might be on the way, like that M.2 heatsink on yours. Would look really good in one of those no cable builds that some manufacturers were trying to sell a little while back, like a system with no visible tubes or wires, sounds like a dream xD
This is a really cool project and I think for what it is pretty well sized, yeah having it being smaller is ideal you could shorten the back plate with internal runs going more inward to the middle but it looks really good🎉. Ban seems like a chill guy and really awesome to see him get some backing, what creative thinking, hope its a good collaboration 😃
The smaller tubes into the block will likely have minimal impact to flow simply because the block/fins are likely more restrictive.
What this does do is open us to the possibility of using smaller and more flexible tubing. Replacing the two large tubes with four smaller tubes that match the diameter of the tubes passing through the board, could allow for a much thinner back plate and improve case compatibility.
The front plate seems too large for what it is. Much of the bulk in today's water blocks is the size needed to mount the inlet and outlet tubing. Without those, I would expect the block to be much smaller. That said, awesome proof of concept.
I think, I want that block in my system. It's just beautiful. Especially the tubes won't ruin the sight of the block. Great stuff.
This is really cool. I don’t even do water cooling for my comps yet. But it’s exciting as heck to see independent design and innovation. Reminds me of the old days of custom pc, when I was a kid watching my dad work on them. Big thumbs up from me 👍
As a person who only looks into their PC when it doesn't boot up properly, I wouldn't buy it.
But, it is a step forward. I think it's going to be an interesting option for a lot of people out there.
I am a huge fan of "Modding Cafe". Ban is a true artist and I have LOVED this design ever since he first debuted it on TH-cam a year or two ago I think? I would 100% buy this block and drain my custom hardline build to put this block in, I love it! Give us a LGA 1700 version!!
I think a follow up video or short, of polishing/resurfacing the cold plate would be a great watch. I'm interested to see the temperature difference.
Very cool waterblock innovation! Obviously case compatibility is it's biggest issue. One of the stand out products from Computex. Bravo to the modder who invented it!
I think that it's an awesome block setup and definitely would love to see it be worked in a way that it would truly universal for any mother board or motherboard manufacturer work to make their board compatible with it
"Stealth Tubing" is a very aesthetically pleasing design. My largest worry was case compatibility which you mentioned, and secondary the performance, and tertiary the appearance. I'm very interested in seeing a mass production item using the back-side tubing, and I think the visual flow meter was cool, and I think the "understated" RGB was a good match for the "clean" design with no obvious tubes. Even if your goal is to showcase other parts, any showcase design would benefit from the reduced visual clutter, and it's beautiful on its own.
I would totally buy this. Honestly I wouldn't worry about compatibility that much because a specialty product like this will be built around. Like I would plan my build around its dimensions and not based on the motherboard.
6:15 I think that's a BIOS option. It allows the computer to start in case of a power failure.
My first computer from the early 2000s had that option enable, but I only figure it out a decade later.
That roughness on the bottom of the waterblock could actually help improve heat transfer efficiency, since roughing it's surface like that essentially increases the surface area of the block so more metal is in contact with thermal paste than if it were flat and smooth. I've always wondered why bottoms of waterblocks are shiny and smooth rather than roughed up in some way.
Drilling out the motherboard holes would allow for bigger tubes, and much more flow. Most PCBs have a few MM of clearance around each mounting hole. Just another MM larger tubing would probably double the flow.
such an amazing piece of ingenuity. absolute day one purchase if and when it comes to market.
This is absolutely amazing and I would prefer this with soft tubing at the back than hardline like I have now because it was a pain in the ass to bend and assemble. Also, would it be possible to have some kind of cold plate on the back side as well to have the CPU cooled from both sides?
Never considered using water cooling since I don't push my system too much, but if I was, this would definitely be a top contender because it's so aesthetically pleasing, such a great idea. Looking forward to seeing what you can do with it to refine it and make a better cold plate.
for the price of that thing, you can het an entire custom loop!
Your PC would die in a week if you used that. Its not enough cooling for modern hardware.
@@NinjAsylum not enough cooling? where the hell did you came up with this idea 😂😂😂
This is honestly very cool. Not sure that it'd be very compatible with cases, but, I can see this being done on the server side of things as well, to fit into smaller chassis and utilize some space under the motherboard which is usually just a dust collector.
Wow, I did not get it how or why, but it's very cool. It's sad that the Temps are hot like air-cooled at 93C. I enjoy seeing the tubing in my builds. Look forward to seeing the future development of this block for those who want something different. Thank you! Aloha!
This is a really nice design! Note that it's not the first time it has been done. In the past I saw some guy on the net do something similar, probably between 2010 and 2016 or so. Unfortunately I tried looking everywhere and couldn't find a single mention of it anymore. Some old stuff are just impossible to find on the net sometimes, sadly, and I didn't seem to have saved it either.
6:30 lots of motherboards go to there last power state when power is connected. So if the system was on, when the power is connected the system will automatically turn on. If the system was off when power was removed, and power is plugged back in, the system will be off.
This is the stuff I like seeing in the industry. its something different. May not be for everyone but its pretty cool.
It is absolutely beautiful, the design is and I imagine would be even better with the additional tooling of the cold plate along with possibly thinning of the acrylic water blocks if possible. If the blocks were thinner it would possibly fit more cases.
Impressive!! I personally would love to see more. I love these kind of innovations.👍
Very cool, loved seeing this video! Very innovative concept. Personally I really like the look of hard-tubing routing into my blocks so I likely wouldn't build around this but I'm certain there'll be many interested folk as tastes differ! Cheers to all 🍻
I think it's a very promising solution. Firstly, the water mains can be placed on the back side of the system unit and secondly, the absence of water mains in the foreground will improve the performance of stock cooling of the video card.
I can guarantee there would be no cooling difference from removing a few tubes.
6:16 Check your BIOS settings. It may be set to boot when power is restored. MBs that have that option usually give you 3 choices - Turn on, stat off, or return to last state. Not sure exactly what the setting is called off the top of my head, though.
This was very interesting and I think it is something that should come out to the market. Especially if it can be adapted to allow any cold plate to be inserted. I wouldn't mind having a closer look at this product. I will be watching this product very closely.
Really cool, the back block could certainly be made smaller by using thinner tubes (like an AIO) that connect to another distribution block which then connects to larger, more standard sized tubing.
Love the concept of stealth tubing and wiring would
Love to buy this
Very cool looking. Shouldn't be to hard to simplify and thin the backside. I whold probably het rid of the acrylic alltogether on that side and connect straight to the screws.
I really like the concept! Eliminating as much clutter on the front side as possible needs to become an aesthetic design priority for the future.