Adam Savage Installs a Collet Locker on His Lathe!
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 11 ต.ค. 2024
- Here's another instance where one build begets another build. While working on the rack gears for his miniature vault build, Adam found himself in need of a better system to hold those parts in his lathe using a standard 5C collet. So instead of using his tried and true chuck, he disassembles part of his lathe to install a collet locker and closer to get the repeatability he'll need for this project.
Shot by Adam Savage and edited by Joey Fameli
Music by Jinglepunks
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The new-ish, choice amounts of extra editing have been restrained, tasteful and absolutely hilarious - much appreciated!
26:36 to 26:46 had me dyinggg! Best edit of the video LMFAO.
I'm a maker in an entire different realm- specifically fly tying- but I am devouring his content. I watch it all- whether I have those tools or not because he articulates the process and the philosophy so well. I'm in the middle of a giant shop reorg and I'm building my own niche hardware store in my workshop and implementing first order of retrievability for tools.
Dropping things on the floor is normal and should be expected. When you start to get old like me, it still happens (you never grow out of it) but when you go down there to pick it up, you have to consider what else you need to do while you are down there.
There have been times when I let the thing just sit on the floor. My theory is why bend down because you are going to drop other things? So I make 1 trip instead of 5.
"Is it an 11 degree angle?"
_Glances at object_
"Yep, that's an 11 degree angle."
It reminded me of a guy I know who can glance at a tire on a car and tell you the exact dimensions of it.
Tom Lum has a video where he accidently learned the hex codes for color.
I stand corrected. It was the rgb values.
*Glances at the note he wrote on the object. "Yeah 11..."
@@kokoronotomoni SHHHHHH!!
It's amazing how someone like Adam can tell what degree the angle is by looking at it
I’m always amazed at the knowledge you have in things. I don’t think there is one video that I haven’t enjoyed watching. 👍
Clevis Turnbuckle. I remember that dude. My family used to cut the lawn and bring the clippings for his horses to eat.
His son Collet was a good for nothing though! Always latching onto folks and takin em for a spin rather than finding honest work...
Journeyman diemaker here. Started my journey in this trade as a machinist in the Marine Corps Reserves, but truly began my journey in this trade at a job shop running production parts on a CNC lathe. One of the FOGs there said that CNC is “hours of boredom interrupted by moments of sheer terror”. I’ve run into those moments myself, and I’ve heard the cursing emanating from our CNC departments well.
I learned almost every basic concept I know from my Toolmaker Dad (I still have invoices from the Shop he worked for, for NASA Gemini & Apollo program parts with "(my Last Name) ONLY" Written across them... (and that was in the decades *BEFORE* CNC... Kinda like the fact that my first Casio DataBank watch had more computing power than all the Apollo computers.)
Very proud of my Dad.
As a power plant mechanic, kroil is an absolute beast. We use that by the gallon. Yes, the smell is pungent, but you should smell it when it's cooked over with a rosebud. (Oxy-acetylene)
There's a reason it's referred to as "a thousand tiny little hammers".
Adam, I'm looking forward to your commentary on the upcoming Maker Fair. Safe Travels and have a great time.
I swear you became like my spirit animal (person) when you said "Am I getting too far in the weeds?" and then cut to a different scene. That is my daily life while working in IT and trying to explain a process to someone asking me how long a project will take...
7:30 every video of Adam's has something flying off into the Unknown 🚀
the beginning of this video is so beautifully chaotic. it just feels real and that's something I appreciate a lot. at 3:28 i just burst out laughing. i think thats because it was just so refreshing to see that genuine mental scramble, and know im not the only one 😅. Thank you, Adam.
I love the smell of Kroil! Especially when it you hit it with fire.
Adam Savage is a treasure an extremely intelligent human whose brain is running at a thousand miles an hour, god love him.
Machining a machine that machines other machines.
Machines making machines? How perverse!
@@mikkel4606 Only a lathe can make a lathe, unless you cheat, and use a drill press...
Machinist machine machine machine.
@@mikkel4606An odd sort of cannibalism. Sort of .
A lathe is the only self replicating machine if you know it well.
I have been a mechanical engineer for 22 years, half my life. Learning my trade in a well known ship yard in England. I had to work manual and CNC. Personally I think CNC is more precise and with a wider range of production. However, manual lathes are much more satisfying to work on. They smell better too.
Cnc and Manual aren’t more precise than each other what matters most is the tolerance of the print.. programming a cnc machine and cutting on a manual lathe still require knowledge of metallurgy
35:13 Ah, A tale as old as time, "Local Machine-Shop Owner discovers why they got a 'good' deal".
I appreciate having all the video in one piece. Having multiple parts can be somewhat dissatisfying. Always like to see reasonable conclusions!
Ahhh Kroil, “the oil that creeps”. Has helped me loosen countless fittings at work and at home. Stinks to high heaven, but damn does it work.
We use Aerokroil daily at work. I love the smell. Its like imitation orange juice!
Adam and I have the same habit, we always make fine adjustments with a BIG HAMMER!!!
You had me at "lathe"...
Always a pleasure to watch. Kroil will eventually release anything given time and tapping with a hammer to help it kreep. I agree with the cut and shut on replacing parts than going all in on a full new leadscrew or shaft as a first attempt at least. Didn't work this time but works well with leadscrews that arn't spinning. keep what fits, replace the worn part. I think that remaining vibration will drive you to distraction.I have no suggestions on how to fix it. You will work it out.
it's a " Royal Products lever collet closer" and the thing you called a "bent shaft" is a "draw tube" ;) they are made to be used with a spindle taper adapter sleeve which allows the collet to be INSIDE the spindle nose, this reduces the stockout and minimizes the chance for runout from axial misalignment. using it with a scroll closer nose instead gives you the worst of both worlds, the poor alignment of a collet hanging way out there, with the setup time and complexity of a lever closer. the scroll closers were less used traditionally because of the high cost and (potentially) poor runout. the current availability of the cheap keyed closers combined with the easy setup makes them by far the most common choice for hobby machinists these days.
The Thumbnail alone is good enough for me. Can't wait to watch the actual video.🤓🙏
This had more endings than Return of the King. What a wild ride!
props to the editor!
Adam, dig down into the weeds as far as you want. We are HERE for it lol
I love this way of editing
Why is watching Adam do the most mundane things so interesting? lol if he posted a video eating a sandwich I’d probably watch it
I'm imagining him describing why he chose specific ingredients for that sandwich and then going on tangents with anecdotes about a guy he knew that introduced him to the specific brand of his favorite condiment. Then it somehow turns into a life lesson and a primer in refrigerator first-order retrievability 😅
@@Nbrobst And the video ends as he takes the first bite. 😢😂😊
I was a manual machinist for 14 years before I had to teach myself to program and operate CNC machines, I had a few crashes lol but got pretty good at programming without any CAM software 24 years ago
Kroil - we all have different preferences. For me, I *LOVE* the smell of Kroil.
Even though I know neither, I heartily agree with the final words.
I knew nearly nothing about plastics and CNC intricacies when I built a 3D printer from parts/plans cirka 2011.
Trimming it in was a long journey, the RepRap forums was pretty much it for finding stuff out back then.
But it taught me many valuable lessons not only related to 3D printing.
How plastics behave, how vibrations and even thermal expansion/contraction of the heat bed could affect part quality, etc etc.
There's good reason no-one uses "bang bang" heat bed control anymore.
Also learnt the hard way why extruder carriages should not be made out of PLA...
Well, at least it lasted me long enough to print an ABS one.
Details like that would be quite hard to learn/teach in other ways than simply doing it, and failing forward.
@35:14 YES!!! That is exactly what I've been yelling at for the last couple of minutes! Hahaha! This is what a go kart rear axle looks like when you bend one and try to drive on it. It's not fun.
Hey Adam, I first learned to machine manual and really enjoy the feel of the machine. There is something to be said for a tactile feeds and speeds. Before buying a CNC I tried out an XCarve because the software for CNC was really intimidating and was nothing like the simplicity of 3D printing and laser cutting. The easel software for the XCarve is as close to laser cutting as you can get and has a simple learning curve. Once you have done some projects with it you will get thirsty for more Y axis depth. CNC software really held me back and I needed to be successful with a few projects before taking on the intimidating Mach3, GCode, or some other more advanced software.
The fact that 12.5 thousand people have watched this speaks wonders about how great it is to just watch a smart guy build something cool? Bravo.
I made mine a thread to lock instead of lever. Because it now fits many lathes, and not stuck on one machine forever.
Your details are spectacular! 😎
Now that's a good yak shaving video
Kroil (Kerosene & Oil) We use it all the time. Great stuff. We used to just make it back in the day and at two bucks an ounce now we might just make it for ourselves again, lol.
I was a tool and die maker for 35 years and did tons of bridegeport/engine lathe/ surface grinder etc. If you learn to program with mastercam then doing complex jobs on a cnc is a dream come true, so much more civilized and accurate.
Thanks for the video. I enjoyed it.
Great job. Thank you 😊
Thanks Editor for my compfort late night mooovie experiance
I really want to clean the dust off the disco ball. Lol
just in time for lunch
Damn , I just realised , how old I am getting , and Adam is also getting older too... s****. Time flies thank you for all the knowledge boss , hope to see you again on the next video
little disappointed the collets didn’t get their own small locker cabinet.
as a machinist, the only con of collet chucks is diameter stock limit. 5c collets only go to 1.0625 in.
"Greeeen Acres is the place to be..." :) :)
Thought for sure Adam was going attach this device to his next smaller lathe - seems more suited for 5c work holding ops.
37:20 You forgot to do the mustache when you imitate Jamie...:)
I will never own a lathe and i'll never be a maker but i'm here for it lol.
"All making involves holding on to stuff while you do other stuff to it." I feel like you just summed up my s*x life 😂 🤣
A lathe is a tool I would love to have, not one even close to this size but a bench top unit would serve my wants well. I do like the slightly chaotic way in which this build went, because its how I build, with some starting and stopping and side tracking because I need to do something else first before I do what I am currently doing.
For second operations on smaller bits i tend to use a er32 collet holder and a stop in it, and that is a on a cnc machine :) the er32 goes up to 20mm hole.
My heart hurt a lil bit hearing Adam say he does'nt like the smell of Aerokroil. Its like the best imitation orange juice!
I fell and Adam saved me
the intro is so ADHD lmao, "i have a thing i gotta say but it needs the context and bonus thoughts before we move on"
Loved both it and the editing style that left in those extra beats that show the chaos.
Especially the realization that he is getting in too deep -- never have I felt more in tune with someone in a video
I laughed at the couple edits of him just wandering around; I feel that so hard lol. "Where was I going? What was I doing? Seemed important at the time." Then my brain-task-queue has something push the order around and I get messed up.
We use Kroil in the refineries. Stuff is absolutely magic, but you are not lying, it is definitely not an indoor lubricant/creeping oil and you don’t want to get it on you because your clothes and the room you spray it in will smell like it for days.
Did you need to use the collet chuck with the closer? This is a bit unusual. These closers are normally used with a small Morse Taper to 5C taper adapter that you just push right into the spindle bore. The extra working room is probably not a big deal, but you do have fewer pieces potentially adding runout.
I was looking at buying one of these for my takisawa tsl800 but it's was the same deal as yours, it would need the tube modified. It wasn't even a good deal like you got so after asking them a few questions about it I knew it just wouldn't be worth the hassle.
Not that I mind the small infrastructure projects but I feel like there should be a proper one-day-build project soon. Haven't had one since... I don't know when.
Maybe the vault door? But almost turned into a more show and tell.
If you collaborated with blondihacks I think my life would be complete. Please. Think about it.
I have this same cheiftian 15 inch lathe. Mine is 60inch long. Seems to be very solid.
I use these all the time at my $18/hr in California machining job on the manual lathe
Don't know what an "over center catchment" is? Look up This Old Tony. He just did a great video on what they are and how they work.
Once upon a time I worked in a shop with a Hardinge chucker. You can get a used one or a clone relatively cheap these days. Then ya want to go shopping for something like a Bradmatic; aka a cnc tailstock turret. It's a cheap ticket to repeatability on a lathe. :-)
Kind of reminds me of a machine I used to run called a davenport 5 spindle machine which we had five Colleton that had to open and lock all at the same time
"One of the things I love most about these annular cutters is how quiet they are, and how slow" and there's the music and timelapse 🤣
Not a fan of handheld shakycam, but the new cold-open-to-brand card is good.
Ive been wanting to learn precision tools like the lathe and milling machine. How would you get started with learning? Im sorry if this has been asked before.
Kroil is fantastic stuff!
Great video sir 😊❤
Adam, why dont you make the tube for your collet closer one piece? Go for it. Internal threads? Piece of cake.
This is the caliber of YT content we'd see from Jet Black (if he ever could do youtube)
Is a collett like what's in a dremel head?
Yes, in the nut and collet models. As in that separate nut and then the set of different size little inserts aka set of collets depending on the insert/tools shank diameter. Dremel uses push type collets. In this video being pull type collets. Difference being how the clamping force is applied. Push types, the collect head is pushed into the taper/holder. Typically done with a threaded nut going over the collet. In pull type the rear of the collect has the threads to be used to pull into the holder.
However some dremels have drill type universal chuck as the tool head, meaning essentially a mini 3 jaw chuck. Advantage being it can accommodate various sizes.
However collects advantage is more precise and consistent holding.
@@aritakalo8011 awesome thanks for the info
Some time after I noticed the similarity, I mounted a Dremel horizontally and used it as a tiny lathe to make my own security pins for locks.
It is great how you can make something with your hands and then use that to make a better product and continue till you get to the point of that will do.
But now if something happens in the world, a lot of the first steps have been lost to time and we only know/use the good end product.
CNC and Manual are the same thing just from the other side... or more like a Ven diagram with the overlapping circles, you always have extremes at the edges but most people are in the middle and don't care.
enjoying this so much,
Hope you got a heat treatable oil hardened tube, like O-1, because those internal threads must be fully hard.
That's right
The Square Holder
Someone get Adam some drumsticks!
How do you not love the smell of kroil?? It’s one of the best smells in the hangar! Especially if you have to use ps870.
17:49 Cue theme from "Green Acres".
Thank you! Came to the comments because I recognized that tune but couldn't name it! Started driving my (ADHD?, OCD?, whatever?) crazy and I still have not finished the video.
DAMNIT, hoping I was the first, and only, one...
Machining metal is a art and a skill, both of those work differently in manual vs cnc, and yet they are the same...
26:37 I think you accidentally left your lathe in time travel mode for a moment there.
Was kinda hoping to hear if you fixed the knob on the lathe being 180 off.
Was it changing a gear ?
Tube with a hole in it?
So it's bit like a cylinder with walls around on it?
Very entertaining.
Ive never seen one not run completely straight
Not a machinist, buth curious to know. (To scratch my logic itch.)
Would it have been possible to machine an new '5C chuck' with the screw-interface 6 inches in? From my uneducated/looking outside in perspective there would be enough length to make the collet reach inwards.
That way you can increase the length capacity. Also because you can machine closer to the driver side, there would be less runout?
Mostly great video, but i feel like I'm missing the meat of the modification and install of the locker. Like it went from 2 pieces of pipe to installed in the lathe in 1 cut, and i want to see everything in between! Otherwise good stuff
26:43 There's a glitch in the Matrix.
Oh my god! I was laughing so hard at that edit!
What is the name of the rust remover? I know it was mentioned a few times on other videos, but I can not currently recall which ones. I do remember it being 'reusable', but that's about it.
You could have TIG welded that extension on easily. You could’ve had accuracy within one to two thou by using that take process. You would love the rabbit hole that tig welding is
Adam mygd think simple, have you ever used a mill? They have a draw bar! And you can use air or hydraulics, if you have it, or the trusty nut and wrench.. all you need is a small receiver that the collet mounts in and a threaded hole at the other end. The Lock is on the other end. Fins😊😊😊 ~~ Cris h.
Kroil is by far the best penetrant hands down in my opinion
Can the bouncing handle be rigged to be removable? Also, perhaps it is the bouncing of the handle which is flexing the pipe causing the variation in tolerance? Can you remove the handle and double check the tolerance again?
What kind of wd40 can is that? It looks like an aerosol can with a pump sprayer on top? I've never seen one like that. Is that an adapter, or is it sold like that?
The red hat scared me until you turn towards the camera.
Surprised to see rings on fingers while operating a lathe. A well known danger to lathe operators !