Fun story about quest items never dropping: As a little kid, my dad got me, his best friend, and himself vanilla WoW. I could barely understand english at the time, so I pretty much just tried using my childbrain to figure out the solution to any issue I had, and one day I was doing quests on my own. I forget what quest it was, I had to get the skulls from some mobs, and I was playing a warrior. After about 15-20 minutes of 0 skulls dropping, my child brain activated, and I deduced the reason why no skulls were dropping. I was using a 2h mace, and obviously, I damaged the skulls. So I figured, okay, I need a sword or an axe. Problem was that my weapon skill in both of those was pretty bad. So I bought an axe at the auction house that was way overpriced, and spent hours leveling my axe skills, then went back, and cleared the quest in a few minutes. When my dad and his friend, a software engineer, came back from work and sat down at the setups we had at home for playing WoW and Civ together, I told them about how I figured out the trick to getting the quest done fast. They laughed for like minutes.
has to be the raptor skulls quest from ratchet if u played horde. Almost as rare as zhevra hooves. 73 zhevra kills later i finally got the 4 that the quest needed
@@arielcahn7728 I understand why they laughed cuz they know how Bullsht that quest is due to low drop rate. They knew that they would not be able to explain to you how that quest really works with RNG in a RGP game lol I had the same thing too when I had to explain to my GF when she first played an mmorpg on how RNG mechanics work in RPG game lol she still did not understand it after my indepth explaination.
im glad im not the only one who came to that conclusion... those damn zevhras in the barrens 4 hooves you say? SURELY that means i kill a single horse...right?
Yeah! I'm a bit disappointed that there are only two main factions in WoW. The conflict between more than two races is always more interesting because it creates more grey zones, intrigues etc... Also, I just don't understand why night elves joined the Aliance and why the Forsaken and Blood elves joined the Horde... Like if they didn't all have a choice to be their own thing... It just seems weird to see a tauren to fight in Loarderon for some reason... Taurens don't seem to have any quarrel with humans, night elves or dwarves... Tauren fighting a night elf because one is in the Horde and other is in the Aliance is... wrong imo... (I know that Orcs helped the taurens but I would argue that taurens are more thankful to Thrall than to The Horde as a whole.)
@@jonas8588they chose the less interesting of two choices. Warcraft 3 : RoC/FT ends thematically with people coming together and working together to avoid further conflict. Themes of unlikely allies working together against a greater evil, people overcoming prejudice and resentment to save Azeroth. But it was easier to be tribalistic, to force faction wars. Imagine if they kept the Scourge and Legion as the big bads? Maybe play a Tauren in the Alliance or a Dwarf in the Horde? IDK, I like a lot of WoW but overall have been let down continuously by each major story "development".
Back in the day when vanilla wow came out, after playing to lvl 50 as taureen druid, i switched to a human priest (lvling as holy up to 60) because my friend found a very nice guild and convinced me to join Ever since i felt like: 1. Young people went for alliance cuz they were "the good guys" 2. A bit older people (early 20s) went for the horde because alliance was for cringy teens, and horde is so much cooler 3. I dont understand "for the alliance" or "for the horde" said with such pride - for me it was "play what makes you enjoy the game most" and i found i enjoyed playing with nice people / friends more then anything (it just so happened i found nice people in alliance and stuck to that)
@@andreivalceanu7515 I've played for over 15yrs, I can say yeah most people I played with for the first 5-6yrs preferred horde because of either racials or because the player base of alliance on oceanic was poor/whiny, I originally Alliance but my mates from RL wanted to play horde and we did for many years, I kept making alts to play alliance because aesthetically stormwind/ironforge (or in general all alliance) just felt so much cooler, plus leveling from Elwynn forest > Westfall > Duskwood just gave you so many different looking and feeling zones. I am so glad they have allowed me to play alliance with my horde mates (kinda wish they opened up world quests)
Hogger was a character that was so interesting that he became the last released hero for HotS before further development ceased. He plays like a dingus and it's entirely in character.
Tbh the character design in HotS was really cool. Kinda sad it failed so much, it was doing alot of things different to league or dota which made it interesting.
#1 thing I enjoy with Pirate Software is he's straight to the point. He doesn't take 20 minutes to talk about 5 minutes. As an example: Asmon has been doing it like crazy lately.
asmongold is a giga sloth that doesnt do shit with his live, while Thor is inspriring ppl to become better and just doesnt sound like a twitch meme talking.
doesn't apply to me, I got better games to play and less time to play games lol but I understand that piratesoftware has more time. Shit, I would have tried it again if I actually had more time.
They lost me during WoD and didn't pull me back in with Legion. I just live vicariously through streamers now because like Thor I liked the story but it went down the toilet.
I was stuck in the loop, until BFA too. From WoD to BFA I played for a few weeks before getting bored. Skipped Shadowlands, BFA and now The War Within is going to be another skip. 3 expansions in a row. I finally broke the circle. Valheim Ashlands is really fucking good though.
I can remember being raid lead at 19 years old during Battle for Azeroth and I was almost kicked out of my raid lead position, despite getting us through Heroic and Mythic, just because they found out I didn't do add ons when I shared my screen to show another Shaman where to place Totems during the fight and how I placed them so quickly. It genuinely hurt and blew my mind. And then I was almost kicked out again when they found out I was 19. It was such a strange year
Goes to show how immature groups of people behave and act. This is why I don't do raids or join guilds in MMOs anymore. People are crazy and I am not that desperate for friends that I wanna hang out with people who behave like this here.
Thats why I played healers. Imo that was always the most chilled spot where you have time to do something esle. (also you are probably first person who notices that some1 is standing in fire)
This is one of the things I loved when watching Log Horizon as a kid- The raid leader was a scholar, sits in back and is the tactical mans, made a lot of sense.
I was graced with the presence and raiding with the *creator* of DBM ( Deadly Boss Mods) . Our guild was the second American guild, that downed original Nefarian (40 man raid) in the original BWL (Black Wing Lair)L. He admitted after he had completed it, that he wish he never created it. He saw what "mods" were becoming for WoW raiders, and you said it perfectly. He called DBM a "mistake" for the community. He noticed that people were no longer playing the game, but playing the "mod" .... the way you put it was so perfect. We struggled for a while after that, with all the newer stuff coming out, and he kept maintaining the DBM, but he eventually handed it off to a team of professional world first raiders, to finish- maintain it. We eventually STOPPED using it, and banned it from our own guild. We saw that it was becoming a "Bingo!" or "Pachinko!" , and not a ROLE playing game ... roles had been deleted, due to the mod doing all the "brain" work. The flashing lights, and the sounds, so overwhelming and utterly annoying. All 42 of us, decided we had to return to the OG wow to find our love for it, again. And we did. After that we used maybe a couple of addons that helped find materials, but that was it. No more active "fighting" mods allowed. We had SO MUCH FUN after that. We found the mod was cutting communication, and therefore banter and comradery. We were becoming "robots" in charge... I have tried to join another raiding guild since then. And it's always "this mod is a must, or no raiding" and SOME of the guilds are mandatory to STAY in the guild .... ridiculous..... *SO GLAD YOU BROUGHT THAT UP* !!!!!! You don't need mods to play WoW ... they have incorporated so much from the older mods INTO the game now, that is why some are like "it's easy now" ... they don't realize where it all came from , or for what reason ....
What role in a role playing game has been deleted by dbm? You as a character are not raid mechanics. What a baffling thing to say. Just say it: you became casual, and just want to have fun in raids, where none of you care for gear or progression, so you are okay with dying if it makes a good laugh. That’s ok, that’s fine, but I don’t get why you are insisting that your way is somehow superior, than all the others. I, for one, see raiding as a team building exercise: I don’t want to fail my team. DBM helps me with that. I won’t us to kill bosses together so me and my friends can get loot that we wanted: dbm helps with that. We could learn the fights “the right” way, but I’m not sure why you think that this way is “right” in the first place. All that listed gamer cred doesn’t excuse the fact that you are trying to gatekeep how others play the game.
I use DBM because my wife and I are extremely casual. We will play about 10-20 hours a month, if even. The DBM mod helps up do expansion content that we duo that is years old. We don't raid current, at the time, content, so we never see the mechanics. DBM let's us know that if something weird happens in a fight, it's a mechanic and not a bug, and we continue to enjoy our duo to see the fights and stories play out.
Magni: "Azeroth's WOUNDS need healing, champion!" Blackened Magni: "Azeroth's WOUNDS need widening, champion!" I bet he'll be a raid two expansions later, probably Yog' bloodied or something.
its interesting to see him as lost and without its normal shinyness. something tells me he will sucumb to the void. its telling by how the character is colored.
@@ChromaticEagle well he was being ultra creepy as hell telling everyone about his GF Azeroth's "Gashing Wounds" all the time lmao No wonder she left his ass.
@@Roald94 velen went through the same sort of thing in legion and especially the return to argus storyline (and i thought that part of it was really well written relative to the rest of the game) so i think that someone at blizzard is actually just making an attempt at characterization
3:59 - 4:48 THANK YOU. I was one of those who used hardly any addons when I played. Yet for barely using addons, I had the timing of boss abilities down, knew when to move or switch positions or run kill an add, and when to do a mechanic because I actually learned the fights. And it was always the loudmouths spouting off "You need DBM or you'll wipe us!!1" who kept fucking stuff up or weren't able to grok a fight after 10 wipes. Thor's absolutely right: too many players use addons as a crutch and never learn how to actually play.
I have always used tons of addons since about the time I got my first toon to level 30. I'm all about that UI layout, clean viewport one action bar on it. All other action bars, chat, damage meters etc live in a black bar at the bottom, which is not rendered under. Frankly, I just use weakauras to take a load off my macro slots and spare action bars, which I used to use for this purpose. If I have to use vanilla UI, well a couple of bars get shuffled around but keybinds and layouts intact, consistent across characters and playable.
I had the exact same experience when I got into raiding in legion, patch day hit and the group I had been running with for a few weeks wiped on the first boss mechanic. And everyone said "DBM hasn't updated... also why isn't Vess dead?" That was when they learned I hadn't had it the entire time 😂
I want World of Warcraft to feel like an adventure again. Playing Classic in 2019 was an eye opening experience for me, getting from lvl 1 - 60 was AMAZING.
@Lupine. I get that it's over, but Classic proves it can be done again. I was really hoping they were going to unveil WoW 2, and give it a bit of a fresh start. Instead, we got 3 more expansions...
@@demgphix it doesnt prove it can be done mate,its literally just a release of old content... Maybe new players felt the adventure, but for me it felt the same old same old i experienced way back when.
I was a RL, MT and GL for more than a decade, loved so much of it, but man, it tore me down emotionally and physically over that time. When my guild eventually died it was super sad, but it didn't take long for me to start feeling a lot better as a person. I don't think I ended up with a god complex, but I did see it happen a lot. GG and WP.
I was never a GL nor an MT. I was briefly a RL when I came back to WoW after like a 10-15 years pause (from beginning of Cata to Shadowlands). RL was stressfull. But what I enjoyed the most, but took the most out of me was during the first time I played (so Vanilla to WotLK). I was the mage officer for our guild (which was medium sized, but big for our server) and took that pretty seriously. I also was, as my GL at the time put it during an interview for a new mage candidate, the guild's psychologist. I was like 18 at the time and just wanted to help people get better, in game and in their life. But it was draining. Took a lot of time and energy, but I loved it. I felt rewarded and appreciated for what I could bring. It's only years later that I realized that it was basically like a job, except with no hours, and no pay at the end haha. People don't tend to think that it build character and experience, but those kind of things do. On a side note, I remember when I interviewed for that guild, it was early BC, and I was playing an Arcane Mage (and at the time, it was not good/well known). The GL told me that mage need to be fire in BC and I was like : listen, give me a spot with the Shadow Priest or the Shaman, and you'll see I perform at least as well as your fire mages. He did... and I delivered. The spec was a bit wonky, but I figured out a way to make it work. And then we came to Al'ar, all the fire mages got fucked, and the GL turned to me and said : well, time to teach them how to play your spec (I dabbled into arcane/frost too at that time, so I was able to find what worked best for the different players). Probably one of the best moment I had there !
The "get out of the fire" thing isn't always because of mods, man. Blizzard has this fascination with particle effect orgies on the ground and refuse to add hard borders to boss AoE effects. There was actually a mod back in WoTLK that did that using a sort of augmented reality and Blizz changed something in the UI to brick it. When there's a paladin using consecrate, a death knight using death and decay, warrior using thunderclap, all the flowers resto druids make, and inside there is a red burny effect it's hard to parse where it ends.
They also seem to love colour coordinating the swirls to the bosses theme. Fighting a void boss? Watch out for three kinds of purple swirls on the purple ground.
@@LoveOlsson98 my favorite was Malkorok in SoO. Dark brown fissures spawn in on the brown floor in the poorly lit room, you have to run around the room to soak mechanics (yes, sometimes you have to soak in the same place where the fissure spawns, so just yell for BoP and hope that palas react in time) and dodge bullet hell type orbs, and once he does that fissure three times you have to remember where they were and stand where they weren’t, or you are insta killed. The room is symmetrical, so our RL had to place markers on the ground to tell players where NOT to stand.
@@krippaxxuseredarlordofthes9940 its a zoomed-out(typically for raids and such) tab targeting mod mess, immersive is not a word anyone uses for WoW unless they literally dont have a ui and run around the abandoned zones by themselves. and even then, god damn does it look aged and faded
Just give in, play it casually, you'll enjoy it even more when no one's on your back telling you what to do, even if you do "wrong" things, just get in there and try out stuff, fly around, enjoy the world
My wife and I started playing WoW near the release of BC and since then had played straight through the later portions of Legion. It was around then that the writing and story content lost us. That, and finding a raiding team that didn't fall apart after four or five weeks... It got old, so we put it down and haven' t been back since. We both still have a love for the game and all the great times we had with friends that are long since moved on, and we're glad that it's starting to look more like some actual narritive care is being put into it again. My hope is that whatever they're cooking up over in the office these days doesn' backslide into the muck the last few expacs have suffered from because I damn near choked on my coffee when I checked in to see how N'Zoth got sorted out!
My brother is our Guild Master, Raid Lead, and Main tank. Been playing brewmaster since BFA. Bro is actually insane. His ego isn't crazy most times! He understands and plays this game so well, him and my dad both. They've been playing since the OG days, and I really just started in DF and am doing crazy DPS on Arms Warrior. Can't wait for TWW!
The wow team has been on an interesting spree lately. Throwing alot at the wall (pandaira remix, plunder storm), making allot of mistakes, but more importantly responding quickly to player feedback. It feels like a new team from shadowlands.
I was Raid Leader and GM (as a Priest, RL not being tanks is def much better imho; PS is 100% on that one) for our high progression raiding guild and I can confidently say I didn't get a big head. Could be that we were lucky enough to have some really chill people. No drama (not even loot drama), nothing. It was something I'll forever chase to get back, but never will. Little anecdote; we finally beat Yogg 25 (we eventually, with the same team and the same raid schedule, were able to get Yogg 0, Firefighter 25, Undying/Immortal, FULL raid of Crusader mounts, etc; Wotlk was amazing). We only were raiding 2 nights a week at that point because 90% of the guild were in college and finals were all whooping our asses. So we went from 3 nights to 2 with an optional Sunday raid if we could swing it (which usually ended up being 10m farm because we couldn't get the bodies, all good; alts are a thing!). Anyway, our phase 1 tank was having consistent problems for a few weeks (took us a while to get enough attempts to get Yogg; he's a doozy). We were still making progress on the later phases too, but a clean phase 1 would snowball into better phase 2s, yadda yadda. Momentum and all that. Well on the night we finally got the kill, our p1 tank (Jss) went Goku mode (get it, Jss, Ssj; lol) and did it PERFECT. We then proceeded to align the stars and have a zero death p2 portal phase, and a mostly clean p3 (i can still remember the panic we had when one of locks went insane and wasnt facing away from Yogg and healing him lmao; vent was POPPIN OFF rofl) - which resulted in our first kill. Almost poetically, the warrior tier dropped. And before I even said "ok warrior tier", the ENTIRE raid (and officer chat) was like "GIVE TO JSS". Now this was a guy who never talked. Barely typed. Turns out it was some 12 year old kid who was playing past his bedtime, and never talked because he didnt want to alarm his parentals (lmao). He FINALLY opens his mic and goes "thanks guys". WE ERUPTED EVEN MORE THAN WE DID FROM THE KILL ITSELF. That's the kind of guild we had. So FRINGE EXAMPLE but yes you CAN be as RL/GM and not be a huge piece of crap WITH the right players in your team. Anyways, War Within is pretty fun! Really like this initial raid and don't completely hate M+ :). Cheers.
its been great with them doing stuff like this, not just for the nostalgia factor but as you mentioned, but they understand why its was so impactful to the community and to make fun of it is great!
The elimination of Realms and Factions is a big selling point now. You can join any guild as any character regardless of what realm that specific character is on, and it doesn't matter if you're Horde or Alliance. It's a great move by Bliz.
Agreed. Especially for people with friends playing in different factions. My childhood friends group play Alliance and my D&D friends group play Horde. Now not only I get to play with all of them on a single main, I can play with them in the same groups and raids. Huge win for both people with few friends and people with a lot of friends.
This will be a great move once it’s fully implemented. Until then, it’s still like, 90% effective. If your factions differ or you’re on different servers, a few tasks (like heroic dungeon queue) are locked out to you. It still behooves players to have a duplicate alt on a different faction on whatever server you’re trying to be a part of.
4:50 I was a raid lead and guild lead as a healer, the pressure of that just burnt me out. This makes so much sense to have those 3 separated out. The healthiest dynamic in a guild i ever had was when we had that exact dynamic, 3 people, 3 different roles. Our guild leader got to spend time with peeps and bolster a friendly community, i've got to run raids, and our tank got to main tank. What i've learned? If you know how to do all 3, teach other people to do it for you
I was a Main Tank, Guild Leader, and Raid Leader; but mechanics I lacked visibility I had two people underneath me handle roles in dual chats. Healer boss and Dps boss. I did movement calls during phases on tanks. I also took away deadly boss mods on fights we weren't clearing intermittently. We had a rigid structure, but people knew what they were getting into when we did it, and yes, I was frequently culling the low end roster; but I also wasn't trying to manage more than 50 people at a time, and I had three to four other guys managing the lower level stuff. That being said, I was also the guy with every single crafting skill maxed, farming, and spent all day in college on the Auction House flipping guild money and keeping flasks stocked. It's give and take. Big Head Syndrome = Didn't put the work in. If you actually put the work in, you gain respect. I have the exact same point of view in the sense you talked about Ashes of Creation Guild.
The memory things have been fun, and the nice thing is... If it starts getting repetitive, you can just turn to another event. Guaranteed somebody will follow you. Or you can just follow the main crowd and spam out so many events that the boss spawns before you even realize it, and then go do transmog runs after you've gotten everything you want from the event.
I've been playing since 2005 with breaks and I'm super excited for War Within. At the launch of Wrath I had open heart surgery so I was laid up in bed playing the crap out of Wrath, it's time for another heart surgery to replace my valve and what do you know, it's happening this week just in time to come home and pour tons of hours into War Within while I can't work.
I've never played wow but i have played warframe and i thought that's what this video was about and i was like "yay pirate's played warframe" but then i watched this and he says stuff about wow and now i'm listening to wow stuff that i have no idea about but it sounds cool, idk i'm not gonna remember it as i'm typing this while the videos playing. I still am not gonna play wow for some reason idk why i won't but i won't.
Just had to comment, you not only earned my like, but my subscribe with just one line: "No, Honorable Kill - that's the word - you gotta spell it right" 💯 Lok'tar Ogar! For The Horde! ✊
I was the French dude that asked you about your take on The War Within yesterday in the Hang Out vc 😂 Im really enjoying this patch so far man I’m chilling, can’t wait for the expansion to come out !
"You need different person for those 3 roles" My guild during WotLK: The guild leader is the raid leader, the main tank and he used loot council. Yeah... that guild didn't last long lol
Unless you're keyboard turning and mouse clicking spells, the only thing your mouse hand is doing is panning camera and moving. I think you might be the one doing something wrong tbh...
I genuinely miss my old BC-WotLK WoW days so much. Our Guild Leader in my best guild back in the day wasn't even usually on our first clears of most raids. He would hop on and come through our alt clears. Our main tank was like an honorary officer, but he did nothing to do with leadership. He was just punctual, competent, and in charge of our jukebox vent bot lol. Our raid leader was generally one officer who was definitely the sweatiest in the guild, but he was on top of it, he was great at organizing, he ensured our guild bank was full of mats for crafters and food for raids, he spent all week getting all of our ducks in a row and making sure everyone had a clear understanding of what would be required of them on raid day.
This is kind of mind blowing I was at a point that I might not come back to wow but hearing this is interesting and can't wait to see more before I come jumping back into wow again.
I was MT, Raid Leader AND Guild leader. My guild was 2nd best Horde on the server in PvE. Also, sometimes, I would have a second instance of WoW running with a Warlock. I'd play BOTH at the same time in raids. I would MT on my main and and I would DPS on my Warlock and I wouldn't be at the bottom of the DPS rankings either. Those were some CRAZY times.
Just remember guys, if you contact CS of Blizzard and received a nonsensical answer (like, they are answering another problem entirely) It's on purpose, the worker is busy doing something else and he didnt read your message. Their salary is terrible, and productivity is actually discourage by the direction.
We used to do 40 man raids on Hogger with only level 1 heroes. anyone who leveled up before the start of the fight was removed from the raid and needed to create a new hero. I made level 1 "Twink" gear just for the weekly Hogger raids. Loved it.
They lost me with the plot... Over the years, every single character that I could resonate with got turned into an emotional wreck, got killed off or just simply written off of the story... If Warcraft 3 Thrall saw the current Thrall, he'd commit mak'gora against himself...
See you would be right about this being good character progression except sorry about a mild spoiler, but azeroth does help him in the expansion and she actually did have a reason for turning him into what he was so it’s Back to square one
How often are you actually engaging with customer service though? I don't really get why so many people mention blizzard CS. I've been playing on and off for almost 20 years now and have had to open a ticket maybe like twice ever? Who cares lol.
Speaking truth. I play wow strictly as a casual now and I still have some skills like riding a bike but there are minute things I haven’t deep dive into my class for healing in awhile to actually be at the top. Because I don’t really care about hardcore raiding. It doesn’t fit my life anymore. But back in classic through legion? Yeah I was crushing that shut as one of the top holy priest on the whole server. And I witnessed the issues with all the power resting on a player. RAID leaders as tanks are always bad. They may understand what they need to position a boss or a mob, but they don’t have an understanding of any of the range and what they are doing. Hell they rarely know what the healers are doing and they sometimes screw themselves losing los to the all the healers. You need your main tank, even your secondary tank - to focus on that. RAID leader should always be a ranged class. Now some people can certain run a guild and be raid leader - but you want to split that up because you don’t want too much power testing with one player. The main tank has a lot of power because some bosses will feel impossible without them. You spend a lot of effort as a guild to have that tank with the best gear. So they are vital. Then your raid leader is also vital. They need to ve experts at the fight or, if the fight has never been beaten - they need to quick learn and give clear commands. That’s easiest to do from range: then your guild leader is like the peace keeper. Disputes over loot, a raid leader getting too aggressive, a frustration of a tank - the guild leader balances that out. When it’s all one person, it becomes too big of a power Dynamic between them and the rest of the guild. Now, the best of the best, can have one of those people typically serve two of the 3 roles. But that’s at the very top. I agree that newbies or, casual player, rely on what addons tell them. Does it yell st me to dispel? Well maybe in this fight, for that spell, you don’t actually want to dispel it? Does it say oh this person needs heals or is target with x y and a? Whatever the command it shouts out may not be correct. Whenever I take long breaks from the game, I come back and disable all addons and do my dungeon runs, leveling, and a few public raids without addons. It’s a nice test for me to make sure I still understand what needs to be done. Then, after that, I’ll reenable addons. I feel like this makes me a better player. I’ll probably never work my way back to be one of the best because frankly, I ain’t got time to dedicate to doing so. But my main goal is no matter what I am doing - don’t be useless
I remember that in my guild (we did HC raids max except for easy mythic bosses) and our guild leader was main tank and raid leader at the same time and honestly it was the funnies thing Ive ever seen - I feel like he went exactly the opposite direction than Thor said - he was super chill, most of the time you could hear him drinking bear during raid and didnt act all high and mighty :D and also thanks Thor you just gave me feeling that I wanna play WoW again ... I was over it :/
@@Nightfury2ssIG but fun. imagine playing the game and having to understand the mechanics, looking for it and being better. did all of DFs raids without any addons
@@Nightfury2ssIG why would anyone lie about that? Are you such a sad douche you have to disagree with people about everything? Even shit you weren't there for?
Hey Thor, thought I'd carry on a tradition at this point in regards to stop killing games, I was hoping to see your angle as a dev on how to improve it, not just why it's bad. I come at it from an angle that a game sold as a product should remain as a product in working condition after the company ends support for it. but I wanna know what you'd say to Louis to go 'hey, I don't agree with this, but let's improve it' instead of shutting it down
He didn’t shut it down. He shut that guy down. He shut *his* arguments down. At least that’s how I took it. Also, there’s not much to be said on certain points he made. If a company goes out a business they can’t keep the game open end of.
@@eugenephillips4738 so how do we balance a company's need to end support for games with the customer's need fir the product to work in an age of live service That's the question
@@thebladeofchaos I wouldn’t call it a need. I would call it an unavoidable event. For example, if every employee quits, the server overheats and melts etc. It’s not like every live service game shutting down is a choice and that’s what I’m getting at. Now as far as voluntary absolving of games, a company shouldn’t be forced to make a single player game in place of an mmo for example. It’s forcing labor out of a company, and if the company could afford the labor and to keep up the game, then they wouldn’t have to close it.
@@eugenephillips4738 it’s a need, when you sell me a product. When I buy wow subscription I know when it ends. When I buy live service game it can be shut down at any moment, with no compensation or warning, because it’s not profitable anymore, despite me paying full price. These things are not the same, and Ross explicitly told so.
Honestly just move on. Thor already gave his opinion and he doesn’t agree how vague the proposals is. And he also want nothing to do with Ross Scott. Why do you guy want his support so badly?
You wow players are a different breed of insane....every expansion "this is the one" a week into the expansion "Fk this game im never spending another dime on it" meanwhile blizzard laughing all the way to the bank lol....sad tbh.
The vast majority of people don't act this way. You're listening to a loud minority, which isn't unique to WoW, every game has them. This isn't a special case.
Me: "Oh cool, Thor has something to say about WoW. I haven't been keeping up, I wonder what's new?" Thor: busts out circles instead of squares while talking about it. Me: "You had my curiosity, now you have my attention."
It went unnoticed in the global community but Blizzard actually did a dirty job towards Russian players. Millions of Russians played this game and payed for it for decades (literally). They bought all Blizzard games and supported the company all the time. Russian servers were like half of European servers by population. Blizzard frequently attended events in Russia and basically Russia was a main hub for all post-soviet countries players. And then in 2022 Blizzard not only decided that they stop giving Russian players means to pay for the game (okay they don't wan't to pay taxes in Russia), but basically any means to continue playing - no gifts, no game codes, nothing. Russian players are stuck in free to play Dragonflight addon basically losing all the progress they made for the past 15 years - all achievements, mounts, rewards, gear, all of it is basically useless now. Russian fans who dedicated their life to Blizzard games were used and thrown away like nothing by a double faced giant transnational corporation. They always tell fairy tales that they care about players, well here is a clear demonstration that they are not, they just LIE and this is disgusting. You tell me about Ukraine? Well, wtf Russian players have to do with it? Are you as American/EU players responsible for Libya, Siria, Iraq that you bombed and destroyed? Were you personally responsible? Of course not. And what about Israeli players? Yeah, nothing. Israel literally deliberately kills thousands of innocents in Gaza and Blizzard couldn't care less about it. They can still pay and play fine. This is disgusting unprofessional attitude and millions of people will hate Blizzard and everything they do for basically erasing 15 years of progression, life and memories with friends in Blizzard games. Now its all rotten and dead.
No, it wasn't Blizzard but the American government that stop Russia about the global payment service Swift. Without this system you have no way of making payments to and from Russia and would then have to work through some local banks that are probably under sanctions and that could cause massive problems with the American governments. So instead of looking for some highly punitive solutions, they simply decided to remove this country from support.
That liver Quest reminds me of the plot relevant gloves from FFXIV. The item description was something to the effect of "If you didn't need them, you wouldn't have been able to pick them up."
i think i spent most of my raid time spent only using Recount and Bt4 no other mods, (i was forced to get omen desto xD) my guild Had a Guild leader(guild management of resources and final rule on Member removals//demotion//promotions), Raid leader(started and led the raid also strong recruitment agent and planning), each class officer each of us had our specialty whether it be material gathering, Resource farming, recruitment, or professions, Class council if asked ( i was always willing to give my insight on how i played or geared.. was kinda expected out of the class officers to support your fellow class mates) i loved the guild so many great members and memories. great people
raid leader is best as healer: -tank cant visually keep track due to position, camera stuck on walls and how large bosses are, needs to maintain aggro. -dps focuses on parsing and verifying the fire is warm. -healer sees everything ppl do right vs screw up, keeps the most critical ppl alive, watches everyone's position, health and resources.
Greetings from a former Warrior MT, Guild Leader & Raid Leader. None of that stuff ever happened so I feel grateful and thankful, but at times it certainly was taxing and periodically stressful
I love the boar liver memory quest its hilarious the npcs just standing back to back styling on us as we get wormy livers, the hoger one with the "quests" all of them are gold xD
Our raider leader has also been our MT for the last 16 years. I've found it works nicely because he has the most control over the boss and positioning, and can make big decisions while calling them out instead of having additional delay. He's definitely a top level player, though, and we only go up to AotC (never Mythic, we don't want to have sitouts).
4:49 is so true. I was part of a major raiding guild in WotLK, and it was miserable because the GM was also the Raid Lead and the main tank. Our raids quickly turned into his short list of friends getting everything they want while the rest of us were treated like carries that he "allowed" to participate. Super toxic.
Was glad to hear your thoughts on addons. For YEARS I raided without addons, for two reasons; 1) I didn't need them to understand mechanics and execute them and 2) They made the game much less fun to play. It never stopped bugging me how gung-ho the community was about addons, and how it was always emphasised that "you need x addon to raid or it's undoable"....it never was, I knew it was nonsense but there was always this unhealthy expectation for everyone to follow the "trend". Really don't miss that about WoW. Anyway, it was nice to hear someone sensible actually talk about addons and the pitfalls that can come with them. I saw it many times myself, where the "not so good player" would have all the addons alerting them of what to move out of, when critical phases start etc and they would still not cope and mostly wipe the group. I am curious how they would have coped without the addons. Something to be said about the sense of achievement when you learn the fight by paying attention, master the mechanics and get the timings down without addons was incredible, out of my gaming life that is by far the best memories I have, had I relied on addons then I don't think I would've felt quite the same about it now.
Played with a player that was MT, Raid leader and Guild leader and this checks out. His ego was massive and was probably one of the worst people I've ever met in the video game by far. Genuinely made the game unenjoyable just by playing with him. Felt like I had to play with him too because all my friends were in the same guild and they felt like they needed to be in his guild to be successful.
I have not played WoW since Wrath, and I will never play it ever again. But as a former Horde player, that bit at the end just made me "AYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY" with a sense of pride.
I can't believe the nostalgia filled rose tinted glasses event managed to get so many people. I hope you're right about it, genuinely. Knowing Acti-Blizz, they'll nail the opening. Just hope the follow up is good.
Back in Vanilla our guild leader was the raid leader (hunter of course) but we had a thing where we had class leaders. I was the Priest leader. We'd all have our own chat channels to coordinate with the other members of our class and leave voice chat on Ventrillo for the whole raid scene. We'd also decide if a like a Priest item dropped who would get it instead of outright spending DKP crap on it. If a 2p set bonus was for better mana recovery, then whoever was our cleanser would get the 2p first as it bettered all of us as a whole. It worked out great.
Thor is my kind of raid leader. I always try to play without addons (outside of a damage/heal meter to monitor my performance). I've healed, tanked and DPS'd mythic content with no problems this way. Not having addons keeps you awake and focused because there is no room for error sometimes, especially without some bell going off in your ear to warn you. I've always had to go into new raid groups/guilds with strict addon requirements and explain and offer to install addons if I was failing mechanics or underperforming and never had an issue. While the 'average' player likely can't do this, they have the ability to but it requires letting go of addons and learning to play the game again. 'Baddons' while used mostly as crutch also CAN help players perform at a more competent level which increases the overall available pool of players you CAN play with. That said, I can't count the number of times I've seen wipes due to someone's addon breaking or even counterintuitive addons (like PallyPower bringing raids to a halt cause people can't configure it correctly). Lastly, and I'll wrap this book up, on the note of players using addons incorrectly; players will use anything incorrectly. At one point, /roll 25 became a common way to distribute greens in pug raids without slowing everything down. Players heard/saw this and then started ALL rolling off with /roll 25 which defeated the entire purpose.
I started playing wow in 2014, only player a few weeks at a time here and there. This is the first Expansion I've even bought for the game and I'm loving it
back on legion, on my guild we used to rotate the Raid Leader role, sometimes the off tank (who was also the guild master) did it, sometimes another officer di it, and sometimes i was the one calling things, we didn't even argued about it, the first one to call things on the first boss was the one in charge for the rest of the raid.
I started playing at the beginning of WotLK and I remember how amazing it felt beating the Lich King. Since then it's just gone down hill for me, everyone I knew and raided with either moved on or life happened. I've tried getting back into this game 4 times post WotLK, and with different communities but it's always the same thing... Make some friends, Grind to endgame, raid prep, and then when it's time to raid the raid team is full or they don't take learners. I end up being in a guild for 3-4 months before I inevitably quit due to not being able to get weekly prog going. I spend more time looking, and stressing over finding a raid/mythics team than I do actually playing the game and it's just not worth it. The games at a point I feel where everyone has cliques/statics and finding a raid spot in a guild is like finding a needle in a haystack. You end up having to raid with random pug groups and it never goes well it just feels like shit. I struggle with anxiety so it usually takes me a couple weeks in a guild to be comfortable around people, so having to always pug every week ends up being a nightmare. Dragonflight has been pretty enjoyable so far, but thinking about what I'll have to go through to get into raids, I don't even know if I'll end up buying TWW. I'm sure TWW will be awesome though I hope you Enjoy it!
I led 40 man Blackwing Lair and Onyxia raids while main tanking. It can be done, but this was when add-ons didn't play the game for you so everyone knew what they needed to do.
Even without the high xp from that event, it's ridiculously fast to level up now. When the number of levels went from 120 to 50 (excluding the new expansion levels), I assumed individual levels would take longer, but no. Also, I noticed that low level materials (either vanilla zones or early on in a given expansion) were selling for a decent profit and I was spending some time gathering ... and even that gave me a few level ups worth of xp. :3
Fun story about quest items never dropping:
As a little kid, my dad got me, his best friend, and himself vanilla WoW. I could barely understand english at the time, so I pretty much just tried using my childbrain to figure out the solution to any issue I had, and one day I was doing quests on my own. I forget what quest it was, I had to get the skulls from some mobs, and I was playing a warrior. After about 15-20 minutes of 0 skulls dropping, my child brain activated, and I deduced the reason why no skulls were dropping. I was using a 2h mace, and obviously, I damaged the skulls. So I figured, okay, I need a sword or an axe. Problem was that my weapon skill in both of those was pretty bad. So I bought an axe at the auction house that was way overpriced, and spent hours leveling my axe skills, then went back, and cleared the quest in a few minutes.
When my dad and his friend, a software engineer, came back from work and sat down at the setups we had at home for playing WoW and Civ together, I told them about how I figured out the trick to getting the quest done fast. They laughed for like minutes.
has to be the raptor skulls quest from ratchet if u played horde. Almost as rare as zhevra hooves. 73 zhevra kills later i finally got the 4 that the quest needed
That's a great story. Also, I don't know what they were laughing about; it clearly _worked._ XD
I learned new vocab like 'fortuitous' from games like wow
@@arielcahn7728 I understand why they laughed cuz they know how Bullsht that quest is due to low drop rate. They knew that they would not be able to explain to you how that quest really works with RNG in a RGP game lol I had the same thing too when I had to explain to my GF when she first played an mmorpg on how RNG mechanics work in RPG game lol she still did not understand it after my indepth explaination.
im glad im not the only one who came to that conclusion... those damn zevhras in the barrens 4 hooves you say? SURELY that means i kill a single horse...right?
WoW players: "Horde or Alliance ?"
Me, a WC3 player: "My life for Ner'zhul."
Or, as I call my character
"The Spy of The Scourge"
Applies not only for my DK though
Yeah! I'm a bit disappointed that there are only two main factions in WoW. The conflict between more than two races is always more interesting because it creates more grey zones, intrigues etc...
Also, I just don't understand why night elves joined the Aliance and why the Forsaken and Blood elves joined the Horde...
Like if they didn't all have a choice to be their own thing...
It just seems weird to see a tauren to fight in Loarderon for some reason... Taurens don't seem to have any quarrel with humans, night elves or dwarves... Tauren fighting a night elf because one is in the Horde and other is in the Aliance is... wrong imo...
(I know that Orcs helped the taurens but I would argue that taurens are more thankful to Thrall than to The Horde as a whole.)
@@jonas8588they chose the less interesting of two choices. Warcraft 3 : RoC/FT ends thematically with people coming together and working together to avoid further conflict.
Themes of unlikely allies working together against a greater evil, people overcoming prejudice and resentment to save Azeroth.
But it was easier to be tribalistic, to force faction wars. Imagine if they kept the Scourge and Legion as the big bads? Maybe play a Tauren in the Alliance or a Dwarf in the Horde?
IDK, I like a lot of WoW but overall have been let down continuously by each major story "development".
Back in the day when vanilla wow came out, after playing to lvl 50 as taureen druid, i switched to a human priest (lvling as holy up to 60) because my friend found a very nice guild and convinced me to join
Ever since i felt like:
1. Young people went for alliance cuz they were "the good guys"
2. A bit older people (early 20s) went for the horde because alliance was for cringy teens, and horde is so much cooler
3. I dont understand "for the alliance" or "for the horde" said with such pride - for me it was "play what makes you enjoy the game most" and i found i enjoyed playing with nice people / friends more then anything (it just so happened i found nice people in alliance and stuck to that)
@@andreivalceanu7515 I've played for over 15yrs, I can say yeah most people I played with for the first 5-6yrs preferred horde because of either racials or because the player base of alliance on oceanic was poor/whiny, I originally Alliance but my mates from RL wanted to play horde and we did for many years, I kept making alts to play alliance because aesthetically stormwind/ironforge (or in general all alliance) just felt so much cooler, plus leveling from Elwynn forest > Westfall > Duskwood just gave you so many different looking and feeling zones. I am so glad they have allowed me to play alliance with my horde mates (kinda wish they opened up world quests)
Hogger was a character that was so interesting that he became the last released hero for HotS before further development ceased. He plays like a dingus and it's entirely in character.
others: Tactical skillshots
hogger: *SPEEeeEEEeeEEEEeeEEEEeeEEEEEEeeeEEEEEeeennnnNNnnn!!!!*
Hogger has great depth. I really like the moment when you have a quest to kill him and then you fight him and kill him.
@@Taegreth A real hoggers moment ngl
Tbh the character design in HotS was really cool. Kinda sad it failed so much, it was doing alot of things different to league or dota which made it interesting.
@@JK-jw3po They just did a pretty sizable balance patch for it, so here's to copium that they actually work on it some more.
#1 thing I enjoy with Pirate Software is he's straight to the point. He doesn't take 20 minutes to talk about 5 minutes. As an example: Asmon has been doing it like crazy lately.
"lately"
if by lately you mean the last, I dunno, 5 years? Bro's been like this for a long time now.
And he's also TOXIC AF .... ^^^ Pirate Software just says it how it is.
Asmunt milks basic information in absurd ways for a group of fans who would otherwise be glued to midday TV game shows.
asmongold is a giga sloth that doesnt do shit with his live, while Thor is inspriring ppl to become better and just doesnt sound like a twitch meme talking.
@@philpfaff7999 Except for when he's talking down other youtubers who are trying to preserve games
When you think you’re out. They always pull you back in
😂😂😂
doesn't apply to me, I got better games to play and less time to play games lol
but I understand that piratesoftware has more time.
Shit, I would have tried it again if I actually had more time.
They lost me during WoD and didn't pull me back in with Legion. I just live vicariously through streamers now because like Thor I liked the story but it went down the toilet.
I am safe, thank God. Out and sober since 2021!
I was stuck in the loop, until BFA too. From WoD to BFA I played for a few weeks before getting bored. Skipped Shadowlands, BFA and now The War Within is going to be another skip. 3 expansions in a row. I finally broke the circle.
Valheim Ashlands is really fucking good though.
"Alliance? That's a weird way to spell honourable kill."
Had me reeling 😂😂
ZugZug
Horde players are all sheep lmao
@@Dri_ver_ Alliance dogs...
@@Dri_ver_ i bet your main is a night elf hunter named xXxLegolasssxXx
@@Dri_ver_ Sheeps are useful, cute, soft and fluffy. Thanks bro
I can remember being raid lead at 19 years old during Battle for Azeroth and I was almost kicked out of my raid lead position, despite getting us through Heroic and Mythic, just because they found out I didn't do add ons when I shared my screen to show another Shaman where to place Totems during the fight and how I placed them so quickly. It genuinely hurt and blew my mind. And then I was almost kicked out again when they found out I was 19. It was such a strange year
Goes to show how immature groups of people behave and act. This is why I don't do raids or join guilds in MMOs anymore. People are crazy and I am not that desperate for friends that I wanna hang out with people who behave like this here.
WoW veterans can be weird at times.
they got their ego kicked so hard. tried to kick back at you
I'm going on a limb and saying that your "getting through mythic" ended at like 2/8 bosses killed or something
That sad moment you realize youre more mature than people older than you lol
"thats a really weird way to spell honorable kill"
you got me falling out of my chair
But he is not wrong
Our Raidleader for 10 years was a Warlock. He even mentioned that he played the more simple specs so he could focus on calls and midfight decisions.
Yep, ours was a hunter
It’s why our Eve FCs didn’t run logi(heals). A lot of folks would FC from a cloaked stealth bomber.
Thats why I played healers. Imo that was always the most chilled spot where you have time to do something esle. (also you are probably first person who notices that some1 is standing in fire)
thats why i raid lead and main tank, tanking is braindead easy
nerd
This is one of the things I loved when watching Log Horizon as a kid- The raid leader was a scholar, sits in back and is the tactical mans, made a lot of sense.
Azeroth left Magni on unread. Magni since BfA been texting her "you up?"
imagine being ghosted by a literal ghost.
Azeroth texted EVERYONE else :'D
He also make a stuff from her blood like azerite armor. BTW that stuff was something like fuel and very flamable.
Was it safe to use as armor?
I was graced with the presence and raiding with the *creator* of DBM ( Deadly Boss Mods) . Our guild was the second American guild, that downed original Nefarian (40 man raid) in the original BWL (Black Wing Lair)L. He admitted after he had completed it, that he wish he never created it. He saw what "mods" were becoming for WoW raiders, and you said it perfectly. He called DBM a "mistake" for the community.
He noticed that people were no longer playing the game, but playing the "mod" .... the way you put it was so perfect. We struggled for a while after that, with all the newer stuff coming out, and he kept maintaining the DBM, but he eventually handed it off to a team of professional world first raiders, to finish- maintain it.
We eventually STOPPED using it, and banned it from our own guild. We saw that it was becoming a "Bingo!" or "Pachinko!" , and not a ROLE playing game ... roles had been deleted, due to the mod doing all the "brain" work.
The flashing lights, and the sounds, so overwhelming and utterly annoying.
All 42 of us, decided we had to return to the OG wow to find our love for it, again. And we did. After that we used maybe a couple of addons that helped find materials, but that was it. No more active "fighting" mods allowed. We had SO MUCH FUN after that. We found the mod was cutting communication, and therefore banter and comradery. We were becoming "robots" in charge...
I have tried to join another raiding guild since then. And it's always "this mod is a must, or no raiding" and SOME of the guilds are mandatory to STAY in the guild .... ridiculous.....
*SO GLAD YOU BROUGHT THAT UP* !!!!!! You don't need mods to play WoW ... they have incorporated so much from the older mods INTO the game now, that is why some are like "it's easy now" ... they don't realize where it all came from , or for what reason ....
What role in a role playing game has been deleted by dbm? You as a character are not raid mechanics.
What a baffling thing to say.
Just say it: you became casual, and just want to have fun in raids, where none of you care for gear or progression, so you are okay with dying if it makes a good laugh.
That’s ok, that’s fine, but I don’t get why you are insisting that your way is somehow superior, than all the others. I, for one, see raiding as a team building exercise:
I don’t want to fail my team. DBM helps me with that.
I won’t us to kill bosses together so me and my friends can get loot that we wanted: dbm helps with that.
We could learn the fights “the right” way, but I’m not sure why you think that this way is “right” in the first place. All that listed gamer cred doesn’t excuse the fact that you are trying to gatekeep how others play the game.
@@max7971 dang lil bro, you're the bad WoW players using mods as a crutch he was talking about especially with how offended you just got lmao
The original creator of DBM is EU-based.
Tell me you're not doing high end content without telling me.
I use DBM because my wife and I are extremely casual. We will play about 10-20 hours a month, if even. The DBM mod helps up do expansion content that we duo that is years old. We don't raid current, at the time, content, so we never see the mechanics. DBM let's us know that if something weird happens in a fight, it's a mechanic and not a bug, and we continue to enjoy our duo to see the fights and stories play out.
"For the Horde dude."
MY MAN
made my day.
GOBLINSSS
Alliance forever¬!
I just love Stormwind and Ironforge too much. I’m a basic b**ch.
Alliance: B-but... Horde is nothing :D
6:13 is better advertisement for the expansion than anything Blizzard put into my way
Magni: "Azeroth's WOUNDS need healing, champion!"
Blackened Magni: "Azeroth's WOUNDS need widening, champion!"
I bet he'll be a raid two expansions later, probably Yog' bloodied or something.
its interesting to see him as lost and without its normal shinyness. something tells me he will sucumb to the void. its telling by how the character is colored.
When he dies "Champion my WOOONDS"
Also need Yogg again!
@@Roald94 The guy is just depressed and abandoned.
@@ChromaticEagle well he was being ultra creepy as hell telling everyone about his GF Azeroth's "Gashing Wounds" all the time lmao No wonder she left his ass.
@@Roald94 velen went through the same sort of thing in legion and especially the return to argus storyline (and i thought that part of it was really well written relative to the rest of the game) so i think that someone at blizzard is actually just making an attempt at characterization
3:59 - 4:48 THANK YOU. I was one of those who used hardly any addons when I played. Yet for barely using addons, I had the timing of boss abilities down, knew when to move or switch positions or run kill an add, and when to do a mechanic because I actually learned the fights. And it was always the loudmouths spouting off "You need DBM or you'll wipe us!!1" who kept fucking stuff up or weren't able to grok a fight after 10 wipes.
Thor's absolutely right: too many players use addons as a crutch and never learn how to actually play.
yup. 100%. love playing without addons and just learning and looking at everything. we did not use addons in vanilla oder BC.
I have always used tons of addons since about the time I got my first toon to level 30.
I'm all about that UI layout, clean viewport one action bar on it.
All other action bars, chat, damage meters etc live in a black bar at the bottom, which is not rendered under.
Frankly, I just use weakauras to take a load off my macro slots and spare action bars, which I used to use for this purpose.
If I have to use vanilla UI, well a couple of bars get shuffled around but keybinds and layouts intact, consistent across characters and playable.
I had the exact same experience when I got into raiding in legion, patch day hit and the group I had been running with for a few weeks wiped on the first boss mechanic. And everyone said "DBM hasn't updated... also why isn't Vess dead?" That was when they learned I hadn't had it the entire time 😂
i cam for the shorts. I stay for the videos
Pants
Pants
Pantelones
Pants
@@wadeharris4700 oh we bein fancy now
I want World of Warcraft to feel like an adventure again. Playing Classic in 2019 was an eye opening experience for me, getting from lvl 1 - 60 was AMAZING.
LOL real classic is 2004
It's over, that was in the past, it will never be the same, and it's not fulfilling as an adult.
I've been back 4 times, and always disappointed.
@Lupine.
I get that it's over, but Classic proves it can be done again. I was really hoping they were going to unveil WoW 2, and give it a bit of a fresh start. Instead, we got 3 more expansions...
@raban0815
I started playing in 2010 (Cataclysm) So seeing Classic in 2019 was pretty awesome.
@@demgphix it doesnt prove it can be done mate,its literally just a release of old content... Maybe new players felt the adventure, but for me it felt the same old same old i experienced way back when.
I was a RL, MT and GL for more than a decade, loved so much of it, but man, it tore me down emotionally and physically over that time. When my guild eventually died it was super sad, but it didn't take long for me to start feeling a lot better as a person. I don't think I ended up with a god complex, but I did see it happen a lot. GG and WP.
I was never a GL nor an MT. I was briefly a RL when I came back to WoW after like a 10-15 years pause (from beginning of Cata to Shadowlands). RL was stressfull. But what I enjoyed the most, but took the most out of me was during the first time I played (so Vanilla to WotLK). I was the mage officer for our guild (which was medium sized, but big for our server) and took that pretty seriously. I also was, as my GL at the time put it during an interview for a new mage candidate, the guild's psychologist. I was like 18 at the time and just wanted to help people get better, in game and in their life. But it was draining. Took a lot of time and energy, but I loved it. I felt rewarded and appreciated for what I could bring. It's only years later that I realized that it was basically like a job, except with no hours, and no pay at the end haha. People don't tend to think that it build character and experience, but those kind of things do.
On a side note, I remember when I interviewed for that guild, it was early BC, and I was playing an Arcane Mage (and at the time, it was not good/well known). The GL told me that mage need to be fire in BC and I was like : listen, give me a spot with the Shadow Priest or the Shaman, and you'll see I perform at least as well as your fire mages. He did... and I delivered. The spec was a bit wonky, but I figured out a way to make it work. And then we came to Al'ar, all the fire mages got fucked, and the GL turned to me and said : well, time to teach them how to play your spec (I dabbled into arcane/frost too at that time, so I was able to find what worked best for the different players). Probably one of the best moment I had there !
The "get out of the fire" thing isn't always because of mods, man. Blizzard has this fascination with particle effect orgies on the ground and refuse to add hard borders to boss AoE effects. There was actually a mod back in WoTLK that did that using a sort of augmented reality and Blizz changed something in the UI to brick it. When there's a paladin using consecrate, a death knight using death and decay, warrior using thunderclap, all the flowers resto druids make, and inside there is a red burny effect it's hard to parse where it ends.
They also seem to love colour coordinating the swirls to the bosses theme. Fighting a void boss? Watch out for three kinds of purple swirls on the purple ground.
@@LoveOlsson98 my favorite was Malkorok in SoO. Dark brown fissures spawn in on the brown floor in the poorly lit room, you have to run around the room to soak mechanics (yes, sometimes you have to soak in the same place where the fissure spawns, so just yell for BoP and hope that palas react in time) and dodge bullet hell type orbs, and once he does that fissure three times you have to remember where they were and stand where they weren’t, or you are insta killed. The room is symmetrical, so our RL had to place markers on the ground to tell players where NOT to stand.
Yeah, I don't know why Blizzard is so against clear indicators for boss mechanics. I wish they would design stuff more like FFXIV
@@krippaxxuseredarlordofthes9940 its a zoomed-out(typically for raids and such) tab targeting mod mess, immersive is not a word anyone uses for WoW unless they literally dont have a ui and run around the abandoned zones by themselves. and even then, god damn does it look aged and faded
@Dri_ver_ are you aware that the indicators go away in savage and ultimate? Having "clear indicators" makes the game too easy.
I am mildly... cautiously interested in the war within... and that scares me a little
thats why its called The War Within
@@deathghost65 haha I like it
Just give in, play it casually, you'll enjoy it even more when no one's on your back telling you what to do, even if you do "wrong" things, just get in there and try out stuff, fly around, enjoy the world
@@sirmudkipactually Yeah it's mostly tongue in cheek. Prolly gonna jump in pretty hard on my warrior when I get tired of PoE :')
@@ugriDnuub There's no middle point for this game.
Once you start watching clips again, you are screwed.
My wife and I started playing WoW near the release of BC and since then had played straight through the later portions of Legion. It was around then that the writing and story content lost us. That, and finding a raiding team that didn't fall apart after four or five weeks... It got old, so we put it down and haven' t been back since. We both still have a love for the game and all the great times we had with friends that are long since moved on, and we're glad that it's starting to look more like some actual narritive care is being put into it again. My hope is that whatever they're cooking up over in the office these days doesn' backslide into the muck the last few expacs have suffered from because I damn near choked on my coffee when I checked in to see how N'Zoth got sorted out!
Soundtrack for The War Within is phenomenal btw.
My brother is our Guild Master, Raid Lead, and Main tank. Been playing brewmaster since BFA. Bro is actually insane. His ego isn't crazy most times! He understands and plays this game so well, him and my dad both. They've been playing since the OG days, and I really just started in DF and am doing crazy DPS on Arms Warrior. Can't wait for TWW!
The wow team has been on an interesting spree lately. Throwing alot at the wall (pandaira remix, plunder storm), making allot of mistakes, but more importantly responding quickly to player feedback. It feels like a new team from shadowlands.
I was Raid Leader and GM (as a Priest, RL not being tanks is def much better imho; PS is 100% on that one) for our high progression raiding guild and I can confidently say I didn't get a big head. Could be that we were lucky enough to have some really chill people. No drama (not even loot drama), nothing. It was something I'll forever chase to get back, but never will.
Little anecdote; we finally beat Yogg 25 (we eventually, with the same team and the same raid schedule, were able to get Yogg 0, Firefighter 25, Undying/Immortal, FULL raid of Crusader mounts, etc; Wotlk was amazing). We only were raiding 2 nights a week at that point because 90% of the guild were in college and finals were all whooping our asses. So we went from 3 nights to 2 with an optional Sunday raid if we could swing it (which usually ended up being 10m farm because we couldn't get the bodies, all good; alts are a thing!).
Anyway, our phase 1 tank was having consistent problems for a few weeks (took us a while to get enough attempts to get Yogg; he's a doozy). We were still making progress on the later phases too, but a clean phase 1 would snowball into better phase 2s, yadda yadda. Momentum and all that. Well on the night we finally got the kill, our p1 tank (Jss) went Goku mode (get it, Jss, Ssj; lol) and did it PERFECT. We then proceeded to align the stars and have a zero death p2 portal phase, and a mostly clean p3 (i can still remember the panic we had when one of locks went insane and wasnt facing away from Yogg and healing him lmao; vent was POPPIN OFF rofl) - which resulted in our first kill.
Almost poetically, the warrior tier dropped. And before I even said "ok warrior tier", the ENTIRE raid (and officer chat) was like "GIVE TO JSS". Now this was a guy who never talked. Barely typed. Turns out it was some 12 year old kid who was playing past his bedtime, and never talked because he didnt want to alarm his parentals (lmao). He FINALLY opens his mic and goes "thanks guys". WE ERUPTED EVEN MORE THAN WE DID FROM THE KILL ITSELF.
That's the kind of guild we had. So FRINGE EXAMPLE but yes you CAN be as RL/GM and not be a huge piece of crap WITH the right players in your team.
Anyways, War Within is pretty fun! Really like this initial raid and don't completely hate M+ :). Cheers.
"I'm never playing this garbage game again"
"Okay here's $300 dollars for 12 months sub and expansion deluxe edition"
Repeat
Some of us enjoy the game, but I know you aren’t allowed to be happy nowadays you’ve got to be miserable because that’s our culture now
@@NoobGamer-di1dw Lol get over yourself
'Just when I thought I was out -
They pull me back in'! -
Commercial hits hard.
@@norbetjagamara5536 He is right, though. People in the West are so bored and indulged. Hating things is now a genuine hobby for people.
its been great with them doing stuff like this, not just for the nostalgia factor but as you mentioned, but they understand why its was so impactful to the community and to make fun of it is great!
“The addon didn’t tell me to get out of the fire” the GTFO addon solves this problem 😂😂😂
I hadn't thought about Hogger or the damned Boar Liver debacle for years and this video gave me the most vivid flashbacks imaginable
The elimination of Realms and Factions is a big selling point now. You can join any guild as any character regardless of what realm that specific character is on, and it doesn't matter if you're Horde or Alliance. It's a great move by Bliz.
Totally agree... still gonna miss moon guard lion's pride inn 😂
Except guilds aren't even guilds lol..
Agreed. Especially for people with friends playing in different factions. My childhood friends group play Alliance and my D&D friends group play Horde.
Now not only I get to play with all of them on a single main, I can play with them in the same groups and raids. Huge win for both people with few friends and people with a lot of friends.
This will be a great move once it’s fully implemented. Until then, it’s still like, 90% effective. If your factions differ or you’re on different servers, a few tasks (like heroic dungeon queue) are locked out to you. It still behooves players to have a duplicate alt on a different faction on whatever server you’re trying to be a part of.
@@DefianceOrDeath ...Expound?
4:50 I was a raid lead and guild lead as a healer, the pressure of that just burnt me out. This makes so much sense to have those 3 separated out. The healthiest dynamic in a guild i ever had was when we had that exact dynamic, 3 people, 3 different roles. Our guild leader got to spend time with peeps and bolster a friendly community, i've got to run raids, and our tank got to main tank. What i've learned? If you know how to do all 3, teach other people to do it for you
Dude I clicked on this wondering what Warframe had to do with World of Warcraft, lmao
Dude same
I was a Main Tank, Guild Leader, and Raid Leader; but mechanics I lacked visibility I had two people underneath me handle roles in dual chats. Healer boss and Dps boss. I did movement calls during phases on tanks. I also took away deadly boss mods on fights we weren't clearing intermittently. We had a rigid structure, but people knew what they were getting into when we did it, and yes, I was frequently culling the low end roster; but I also wasn't trying to manage more than 50 people at a time, and I had three to four other guys managing the lower level stuff. That being said, I was also the guy with every single crafting skill maxed, farming, and spent all day in college on the Auction House flipping guild money and keeping flasks stocked. It's give and take. Big Head Syndrome = Didn't put the work in. If you actually put the work in, you gain respect. I have the exact same point of view in the sense you talked about Ashes of Creation Guild.
6:20 Blood and Thunder.
Thor you have such a way with framing the things that excite you. You make me excited for the stuff you're excited for, even if I wasn't before.
*THE WOONS, THOR!*
The memory things have been fun, and the nice thing is... If it starts getting repetitive, you can just turn to another event. Guaranteed somebody will follow you.
Or you can just follow the main crowd and spam out so many events that the boss spawns before you even realize it, and then go do transmog runs after you've gotten everything you want from the event.
Enjoy the launch everyone, its the best part of the expac. This will be the first time since WoD that I haven't grinded the launch.
I've been playing since 2005 with breaks and I'm super excited for War Within. At the launch of Wrath I had open heart surgery so I was laid up in bed playing the crap out of Wrath, it's time for another heart surgery to replace my valve and what do you know, it's happening this week just in time to come home and pour tons of hours into War Within while I can't work.
@@randomhero123 I hope it goes well and you can have fun!
@@randomhero123 Enjoy dude and hope you have a quick and painless recovery
I've never played wow but i have played warframe and i thought that's what this video was about and i was like "yay pirate's played warframe" but then i watched this and he says stuff about wow and now i'm listening to wow stuff that i have no idea about but it sounds cool, idk i'm not gonna remember it as i'm typing this while the videos playing. I still am not gonna play wow for some reason idk why i won't but i won't.
I've played both extensively and that expansion name is going to mess me up for its entire run.
Just had to comment, you not only earned my like, but my subscribe with just one line:
"No, Honorable Kill - that's the word - you gotta spell it right" 💯
Lok'tar Ogar! For The Horde! ✊
I was the French dude that asked you about your take on The War Within yesterday in the Hang Out vc 😂
Im really enjoying this patch so far man I’m chilling, can’t wait for the expansion to come out !
"You need different person for those 3 roles"
My guild during WotLK: The guild leader is the raid leader, the main tank and he used loot council.
Yeah... that guild didn't last long lol
If you're a main tank and you see the ass of a boss, you might be doing something wrong tbh...
Unless you're keyboard turning and mouse clicking spells, the only thing your mouse hand is doing is panning camera and moving. I think you might be the one doing something wrong tbh...
@@randomhero123 what are you even talking about?
The camera is pointed the boss’ ass, not the character
I remember a Barrens quest where you had to collect zebra hooves, but only every other zebra dropped a single hoof lol
Hope you all are having a good day
So excited if there’s gonna be more Warcraft content as this is my first expansion release and am a huge fan of your content
Holy shit your addon view is the best view I have ever heard in 20 years.
I genuinely miss my old BC-WotLK WoW days so much.
Our Guild Leader in my best guild back in the day wasn't even usually on our first clears of most raids. He would hop on and come through our alt clears.
Our main tank was like an honorary officer, but he did nothing to do with leadership. He was just punctual, competent, and in charge of our jukebox vent bot lol.
Our raid leader was generally one officer who was definitely the sweatiest in the guild, but he was on top of it, he was great at organizing, he ensured our guild bank was full of mats for crafters and food for raids, he spent all week getting all of our ducks in a row and making sure everyone had a clear understanding of what would be required of them on raid day.
I'm a member?
Probably through a gifted sub.
Thor has a member...or two
You're a member?
This is kind of mind blowing I was at a point that I might not come back to wow but hearing this is interesting and can't wait to see more before I come jumping back into wow again.
I played the first two releases of SoD. I was super excited because I never played WoW growing up. Never. Again.
I was MT, Raid Leader AND Guild leader.
My guild was 2nd best Horde on the server in PvE.
Also, sometimes, I would have a second instance of WoW running with a Warlock. I'd play BOTH at the same time in raids.
I would MT on my main and and I would DPS on my Warlock and I wouldn't be at the bottom of the DPS rankings either.
Those were some CRAZY times.
Just remember guys, if you contact CS of Blizzard and received a nonsensical answer (like, they are answering another problem entirely)
It's on purpose, the worker is busy doing something else and he didnt read your message.
Their salary is terrible, and productivity is actually discourage by the direction.
ya no ****. When you are paid 40k a year and have to live in California, things aren't too great.
@@rahundsigma Why don't they pay me 40k a year living in eastern EU... I'd do the job happily
We used to do 40 man raids on Hogger with only level 1 heroes. anyone who leveled up before the start of the fight was removed from the raid and needed to create a new hero. I made level 1 "Twink" gear just for the weekly Hogger raids. Loved it.
They lost me with the plot...
Over the years, every single character that I could resonate with got turned into an emotional wreck, got killed off or just simply written off of the story...
If Warcraft 3 Thrall saw the current Thrall, he'd commit mak'gora against himself...
That’s just what happens when a story goes on for 20+ years
See you would be right about this being good character progression except sorry about a mild spoiler, but azeroth does help him in the expansion and she actually did have a reason for turning him into what he was so it’s Back to square one
It is still the same copy and paste customer service
yes, but at least the game is better.
they dont have customer service. non-existent. open a ticket and pray.
@@arathus22 and got reply with same copy and paste that I got 3 years ago
How often are you actually engaging with customer service though? I don't really get why so many people mention blizzard CS. I've been playing on and off for almost 20 years now and have had to open a ticket maybe like twice ever? Who cares lol.
@@VoiceOfAlexYT when your account of 20 years gets perma banned unjustly, you will care! if you dont have a dog in the fight dont say "who cares" lol
Speaking truth. I play wow strictly as a casual now and I still have some skills like riding a bike but there are minute things I haven’t deep dive into my class for healing in awhile to actually be at the top. Because I don’t really care about hardcore raiding. It doesn’t fit my life anymore.
But back in classic through legion? Yeah I was crushing that shut as one of the top holy priest on the whole server. And I witnessed the issues with all the power resting on a player. RAID leaders as tanks are always bad. They may understand what they need to position a boss or a mob, but they don’t have an understanding of any of the range and what they are doing. Hell they rarely know what the healers are doing and they sometimes screw themselves losing los to the all the healers.
You need your main tank, even your secondary tank - to focus on that. RAID leader should always be a ranged class.
Now some people can certain run a guild and be raid leader - but you want to split that up because you don’t want too much power testing with one player. The main tank has a lot of power because some bosses will feel impossible without them. You spend a lot of effort as a guild to have that tank with the best gear.
So they are vital. Then your raid leader is also vital. They need to ve experts at the fight or, if the fight has never been beaten - they need to quick learn and give clear commands. That’s easiest to do from range: then your guild leader is like the peace keeper. Disputes over loot, a raid leader getting too aggressive, a frustration of a tank - the guild leader balances that out. When it’s all one person, it becomes too big of a power Dynamic between them and the rest of the guild.
Now, the best of the best, can have one of those people typically serve two of the 3 roles. But that’s at the very top.
I agree that newbies or, casual player, rely on what addons tell them. Does it yell st me to dispel? Well maybe in this fight, for that spell, you don’t actually want to dispel it? Does it say oh this person needs heals or is target with x y and a? Whatever the command it shouts out may not be correct.
Whenever I take long breaks from the game, I come back and disable all addons and do my dungeon runs, leveling, and a few public raids without addons. It’s a nice test for me to make sure I still understand what needs to be done.
Then, after that, I’ll reenable addons. I feel like this makes me a better player.
I’ll probably never work my way back to be one of the best because frankly, I ain’t got time to dedicate to doing so. But my main goal is no matter what I am doing - don’t be useless
Sees pirate software make a video titled the war within. Gets excited at the idea of him streaming Warframe. Watch video. Get sad it's not Warframe.
The Memories is perfectly timed for the 20 year anniversary nod for the players who've been active that whole time.
World of warcraft is lost forever dont trust your nostalgia.
I remember that in my guild (we did HC raids max except for easy mythic bosses) and our guild leader was main tank and raid leader at the same time and honestly it was the funnies thing Ive ever seen - I feel like he went exactly the opposite direction than Thor said - he was super chill, most of the time you could hear him drinking bear during raid and didnt act all high and mighty :D and also thanks Thor you just gave me feeling that I wanna play WoW again ... I was over it :/
"I banned addons in the raid" is something I doubt ever truly happened. It would be insane to say this to a raid team.
@@Nightfury2ssIG but fun. imagine playing the game and having to understand the mechanics, looking for it and being better. did all of DFs raids without any addons
@@Nightfury2ssIG why would anyone lie about that? Are you such a sad douche you have to disagree with people about everything? Even shit you weren't there for?
The pre expansion events are always so good to level up. I have a level 70 of every class now after this one.
Hey Thor, thought I'd carry on a tradition at this point
in regards to stop killing games, I was hoping to see your angle as a dev on how to improve it, not just why it's bad. I come at it from an angle that a game sold as a product should remain as a product in working condition after the company ends support for it. but I wanna know what you'd say to Louis to go 'hey, I don't agree with this, but let's improve it' instead of shutting it down
He didn’t shut it down. He shut that guy down. He shut *his* arguments down. At least that’s how I took it.
Also, there’s not much to be said on certain points he made. If a company goes out a business they can’t keep the game open end of.
@@eugenephillips4738 so how do we balance a company's need to end support for games with the customer's need fir the product to work in an age of live service
That's the question
@@thebladeofchaos I wouldn’t call it a need. I would call it an unavoidable event. For example, if every employee quits, the server overheats and melts etc. It’s not like every live service game shutting down is a choice and that’s what I’m getting at.
Now as far as voluntary absolving of games, a company shouldn’t be forced to make a single player game in place of an mmo for example. It’s forcing labor out of a company, and if the company could afford the labor and to keep up the game, then they wouldn’t have to close it.
@@eugenephillips4738 it’s a need, when you sell me a product. When I buy wow subscription I know when it ends. When I buy live service game it can be shut down at any moment, with no compensation or warning, because it’s not profitable anymore, despite me paying full price. These things are not the same, and Ross explicitly told so.
Honestly just move on.
Thor already gave his opinion and he doesn’t agree how vague the proposals is.
And he also want nothing to do with Ross Scott.
Why do you guy want his support so badly?
I loved them bringing back Lord Jaraxxus and Thorim in Dragonblight. The memes, the lovely MrVoletron remixes.
You wow players are a different breed of insane....every expansion "this is the one" a week into the expansion "Fk this game im never spending another dime on it" meanwhile blizzard laughing all the way to the bank lol....sad tbh.
The vast majority of people don't act this way. You're listening to a loud minority, which isn't unique to WoW, every game has them. This isn't a special case.
Me: "Oh cool, Thor has something to say about WoW. I haven't been keeping up, I wonder what's new?"
Thor: busts out circles instead of squares while talking about it.
Me: "You had my curiosity, now you have my attention."
It went unnoticed in the global community but Blizzard actually did a dirty job towards Russian players. Millions of Russians played this game and payed for it for decades (literally). They bought all Blizzard games and supported the company all the time. Russian servers were like half of European servers by population. Blizzard frequently attended events in Russia and basically Russia was a main hub for all post-soviet countries players. And then in 2022 Blizzard not only decided that they stop giving Russian players means to pay for the game (okay they don't wan't to pay taxes in Russia), but basically any means to continue playing - no gifts, no game codes, nothing. Russian players are stuck in free to play Dragonflight addon basically losing all the progress they made for the past 15 years - all achievements, mounts, rewards, gear, all of it is basically useless now. Russian fans who dedicated their life to Blizzard games were used and thrown away like nothing by a double faced giant transnational corporation. They always tell fairy tales that they care about players, well here is a clear demonstration that they are not, they just LIE and this is disgusting.
You tell me about Ukraine? Well, wtf Russian players have to do with it? Are you as American/EU players responsible for Libya, Siria, Iraq that you bombed and destroyed? Were you personally responsible? Of course not. And what about Israeli players? Yeah, nothing. Israel literally deliberately kills thousands of innocents in Gaza and Blizzard couldn't care less about it. They can still pay and play fine.
This is disgusting unprofessional attitude and millions of people will hate Blizzard and everything they do for basically erasing 15 years of progression, life and memories with friends in Blizzard games. Now its all rotten and dead.
Cry to Putin, comrade.
wow players are collateral damage to the russian government. sorry lol
No, it wasn't Blizzard but the American government that stop Russia about the global payment service Swift. Without this system you have no way of making payments to and from Russia and would then have to work through some local banks that are probably under sanctions and that could cause massive problems with the American governments. So instead of looking for some highly punitive solutions, they simply decided to remove this country from support.
That liver Quest reminds me of the plot relevant gloves from FFXIV.
The item description was something to the effect of "If you didn't need them, you wouldn't have been able to pick them up."
Lets not forget that Thor is against the preservation of games and the Stop killing Games Initiative
hearing you say for the horde at the end of the video made me respect you SO much more
Metzen’s genius level writing is back baby :)
Hearing him saying "For the Horde" makes me grin every time. Loktar!
Thank you Thor, we need more players like you in WoW!
i think i spent most of my raid time spent only using Recount and Bt4 no other mods, (i was forced to get omen desto xD) my guild Had a Guild leader(guild management of resources and final rule on Member removals//demotion//promotions), Raid leader(started and led the raid also strong recruitment agent and planning), each class officer each of us had our specialty whether it be material gathering, Resource farming, recruitment, or professions, Class council if asked ( i was always willing to give my insight on how i played or geared.. was kinda expected out of the class officers to support your fellow class mates) i loved the guild so many great members and memories. great people
raid leader is best as healer:
-tank cant visually keep track due to position, camera stuck on walls and how large bosses are, needs to maintain aggro.
-dps focuses on parsing and verifying the fire is warm.
-healer sees everything ppl do right vs screw up, keeps the most critical ppl alive, watches everyone's position, health and resources.
"OMG [name of THAT hunter] stop dying!!"
Greetings from a former Warrior MT, Guild Leader & Raid Leader. None of that stuff ever happened so I feel grateful and thankful, but at times it certainly was taxing and periodically stressful
what I love about this guy is... he uses just the paint app to explain some details
I love the boar liver memory quest its hilarious the npcs just standing back to back styling on us as we get wormy livers, the hoger one with the "quests" all of them are gold xD
Never got into WoW, but hearing those storries from Thor is really wholesome.
Our raider leader has also been our MT for the last 16 years. I've found it works nicely because he has the most control over the boss and positioning, and can make big decisions while calling them out instead of having additional delay.
He's definitely a top level player, though, and we only go up to AotC (never Mythic, we don't want to have sitouts).
4:49 is so true. I was part of a major raiding guild in WotLK, and it was miserable because the GM was also the Raid Lead and the main tank. Our raids quickly turned into his short list of friends getting everything they want while the rest of us were treated like carries that he "allowed" to participate. Super toxic.
Was glad to hear your thoughts on addons. For YEARS I raided without addons, for two reasons; 1) I didn't need them to understand mechanics and execute them and 2) They made the game much less fun to play.
It never stopped bugging me how gung-ho the community was about addons, and how it was always emphasised that "you need x addon to raid or it's undoable"....it never was, I knew it was nonsense but there was always this unhealthy expectation for everyone to follow the "trend". Really don't miss that about WoW. Anyway, it was nice to hear someone sensible actually talk about addons and the pitfalls that can come with them. I saw it many times myself, where the "not so good player" would have all the addons alerting them of what to move out of, when critical phases start etc and they would still not cope and mostly wipe the group. I am curious how they would have coped without the addons.
Something to be said about the sense of achievement when you learn the fight by paying attention, master the mechanics and get the timings down without addons was incredible, out of my gaming life that is by far the best memories I have, had I relied on addons then I don't think I would've felt quite the same about it now.
Played with a player that was MT, Raid leader and Guild leader and this checks out. His ego was massive and was probably one of the worst people I've ever met in the video game by far. Genuinely made the game unenjoyable just by playing with him. Felt like I had to play with him too because all my friends were in the same guild and they felt like they needed to be in his guild to be successful.
I have not played WoW since Wrath, and I will never play it ever again.
But as a former Horde player, that bit at the end just made me "AYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY" with a sense of pride.
I can't believe the nostalgia filled rose tinted glasses event managed to get so many people. I hope you're right about it, genuinely. Knowing Acti-Blizz, they'll nail the opening. Just hope the follow up is good.
Back in Vanilla our guild leader was the raid leader (hunter of course) but we had a thing where we had class leaders. I was the Priest leader. We'd all have our own chat channels to coordinate with the other members of our class and leave voice chat on Ventrillo for the whole raid scene. We'd also decide if a like a Priest item dropped who would get it instead of outright spending DKP crap on it. If a 2p set bonus was for better mana recovery, then whoever was our cleanser would get the 2p first as it bettered all of us as a whole. It worked out great.
This is so true about hogger etc and the nice Events, really really enjoyed that
Thor is my kind of raid leader. I always try to play without addons (outside of a damage/heal meter to monitor my performance). I've healed, tanked and DPS'd mythic content with no problems this way. Not having addons keeps you awake and focused because there is no room for error sometimes, especially without some bell going off in your ear to warn you.
I've always had to go into new raid groups/guilds with strict addon requirements and explain and offer to install addons if I was failing mechanics or underperforming and never had an issue. While the 'average' player likely can't do this, they have the ability to but it requires letting go of addons and learning to play the game again.
'Baddons' while used mostly as crutch also CAN help players perform at a more competent level which increases the overall available pool of players you CAN play with.
That said, I can't count the number of times I've seen wipes due to someone's addon breaking or even counterintuitive addons (like PallyPower bringing raids to a halt cause people can't configure it correctly).
Lastly, and I'll wrap this book up, on the note of players using addons incorrectly; players will use anything incorrectly. At one point, /roll 25 became a common way to distribute greens in pug raids without slowing everything down. Players heard/saw this and then started ALL rolling off with /roll 25 which defeated the entire purpose.
Thor: For the Horde dude, 100%
Me: my life is now validated
*_All the best guilds on the servers I played on had HUNTERS as guild leaders._*
I started playing wow in 2014, only player a few weeks at a time here and there. This is the first Expansion I've even bought for the game and I'm loving it
back on legion, on my guild we used to rotate the Raid Leader role, sometimes the off tank (who was also the guild master) did it, sometimes another officer di it, and sometimes i was the one calling things, we didn't even argued about it, the first one to call things on the first boss was the one in charge for the rest of the raid.
I started playing at the beginning of WotLK and I remember how amazing it felt beating the Lich King.
Since then it's just gone down hill for me, everyone I knew and raided with either moved on or life happened.
I've tried getting back into this game 4 times post WotLK, and with different communities but it's always the same thing...
Make some friends, Grind to endgame, raid prep, and then when it's time to raid the raid team is full or they don't take learners.
I end up being in a guild for 3-4 months before I inevitably quit due to not being able to get weekly prog going.
I spend more time looking, and stressing over finding a raid/mythics team than I do actually playing the game and it's just not worth it.
The games at a point I feel where everyone has cliques/statics and finding a raid spot in a guild is like finding a needle in a haystack.
You end up having to raid with random pug groups and it never goes well it just feels like shit.
I struggle with anxiety so it usually takes me a couple weeks in a guild to be comfortable around people, so having to always pug every week ends up being a nightmare.
Dragonflight has been pretty enjoyable so far, but thinking about what I'll have to go through to get into raids, I don't even know if I'll end up buying TWW.
I'm sure TWW will be awesome though I hope you Enjoy it!
I led 40 man Blackwing Lair and Onyxia raids while main tanking. It can be done, but this was when add-ons didn't play the game for you so everyone knew what they needed to do.
Even without the high xp from that event, it's ridiculously fast to level up now. When the number of levels went from 120 to 50 (excluding the new expansion levels), I assumed individual levels would take longer, but no. Also, I noticed that low level materials (either vanilla zones or early on in a given expansion) were selling for a decent profit and I was spending some time gathering ... and even that gave me a few level ups worth of xp. :3
best part about the piggy livers is "wait - no liver?" ^^
Remix unfortunately ended yesterday. But this prepatch event is most definitely the way to go to level your characters!
Welcome back, & happy gaming!!