I think you just want to repeat your false accusations about Islam over and over again. Islams asks mankind to worship only the True God. You don't recognize the True God, You believe in a false God. As far as God in the Quran is concerned, the Quran has been sent to guide all mankind. it doesn't require anyone to follow it guidance if they don't want to. Your heart is filled with the love of a human! fine! Worship him to your heart's content. Hate Islam for trying to warn against false Gods all you want! The truth will await us all and God will take idol worshipers and cast them into the pit. The signs are clear and they all around us and for all to see. You want to keep your are shut and follow Greek mythology instead of the True God, It's is your choice. Your own Bible is full of corruptions, and you try to find fault with the Quran. You can continue denying the truth and fight the truth with all your power. But believe me god is above all this fallacy and his glory will diminish all evil and the righteous, those who worship the True lord of the universe, will prevail.
The Prophet (ﷺ) said, "When any human being is born. Satan touches him at both sides of the body with his two fingers, except Jesus, the son of Mary, whom Satan tried to touch but failed
@@johncena-cd9kr ˹Remember˺ when the wife of ’Imrân said, “My Lord! I dedicate what is in my womb entirely to Your service,1 so accept it from me. You ˹alone˺ are truly the All-Hearing, All-Knowing.” When she delivered, she said, “My Lord! I have given birth to a girl,”-and Allah fully knew what she had delivered-“and the male is not like the female.1 I have named her Mary, and I seek Your protection for her and her offspring from Satan, the accursed.”2 So her Lord accepted her graciously and blessed her with a pleasant upbringing-entrusting her to the care of Zachariah. Whenever Zachariah visited her in the sanctuary, he found her supplied with provisions. He exclaimed, “O Mary! Where did this come from?” She replied, “It is from Allah. Surely Allah provides for whoever He wills without limit.” Quran 3:35-3:37 Key sentence: I have named her Mary, and I seek Your protection for her and her offspring from Satan, the accursed. Keyword: offspring
I am not sure how I ended up here at this video, but interesting. I was raised as a christian, but trinity (3 gods in one) felt always strange to me...
I doubt if you was raised as christian, because you shouldn't think of Trinity as three gods. You clearly wasn't educated on that matter properly, or you wasn't interested enough to study that point yourself to understand. One God, three hypostases. What is hypostasis? That is kinda hard concept to grasp, but for sure it is not as easy as to misunderstand trinity as three gods and drop all efforts to try to know it properly
@@wisdomattics you intentionaly ignoring what i've wrote? I never said three separate beings. If you want to engage "logically", you must be honest and avoid making logical fallacies. I said hypostases of one God, not "separate god beings". And you want to continue to engage the argument about "separate beings", when i said that is not how Trinity is explained by christians, and that is interpretation of yours is called strawman fallacy. That fallacy is intentional deception or ignorant mistake from your part. Either way, you didn't engage with my point properly, and i have nothing to say, if you didn't want to read what i've already said.
@@TEPMOBETEP im not ignoring what you wrote, but realistically you seeing 1 as 3 is not how I see it logically, that doesn't mean im making logical fallacies, it is a logical fallacy.
@@TEPMOBETEPWhere is hypotasis in the Bible? Show me in the Bible the word hypostasis. Read your Bible and educate yourself. Too much word gymnastics when Jesus teached you himself to worship the one true God.
The fact that someone who studies this doesn't understand the Trinity is also mind-boggling - one essence, three persons. We don't believe that "God created another God". I would turn back the question about dependence. Prior to the creation of the world, how can Allah be loving? There is no object of his love, thus making him dependent upon his creation for one of his attributes.
@@davidbates3353 Again God is self sufficient. Until you guys will stop confusing yourselves, Christians won't stop leaving christianity and you know this as well how many people have left just because of this stupidity.
@@Unlimi-PT I don’t hold to the Muslim view of God, so this is no problem for me. I don’t believe God was a creator from all eternity. You cannot be the creator of all things if nothing exists but you. He became the creator when he created. it is not an eternal attribute. In contrast, God is love because he has existed in a loving, communion from all eternity .
So tell me, which Arabic version of the quran do you use and why that one? Or do you not even know that there are some 40 different versions of the Arabic quran we know of? Of course all these qurans were written by unknown authors. And how do you deal with all the mistakes, discrepancies, inconsistencies and contradictions in that quran as well as the approval of evil such as raping women who have been captures in battle (surah 33:50) which is adultery and wife beating (surah 4:34) as well as child marriage (surah 65:4) which means that Mohammed and his allah approved of raping little prepubescent girls. And we see that Mohammed led by example when he married a 6 year old child and then raped that child when it was just 9 years old. Clearly Mohammed disqualified himself as a prophet of GOD by the evil he perpetrated. And remember all of islam is only based what Mohammed maybe recited and how he lived. So tell me, why do you even believe that you will be with GOD in heaven on judgement day when you follow Mohammed? And do show the quran verses on which you base your belief
Mohammed said that his allah commanded that Mohammed bow down in worship in the direction of the Kaaba just like the pagans did. And Mohammed did that for some 5 years (624 AD to 629 AD) when the Kaaba was a shrine dedicate to 360 pagan idol gods being worshipped there. So who was Mohammed’s allah who was happy to be worshipped as “the god” amongst 360 pagan idol gods? Remember the word “allah” only means “the god”. We know Mohammed did his pilgrimage to the Kaaba just like the pagans did when all these idol gods were being worshipped there. We know that Mohammed walked around the Kaaba just like the pagan idol worshippers did. We know that Mohammed kissed the black stone just like the pagan idol worshippers did. And Mohammed attributed magical properties to the black stone just like the pagans did. And of course Mohammed never destroyed the Kaaba or the black stone both of which are symbols of idol god worship. So Mohammed did not destroy paganism, he actually practised it. As the saying goes, if quacks like a duck and it waddles like a duck it must be a duck. Mohammed worshipped just like the pagan idol worshippers did and that makes him an idol worshippers. And of course one is still a monotheist if one worships only one pagan idol god. But that does not change the fact that Mohammed bowed down in worship to pagan idols which makes him an idolater.
So tell me, which Arabic version of the quran do you use and why that one? Or do you not even know that there are some 40 different versions of the Arabic quran we know of? Of course all these qurans were written by unknown authors. And how do you deal with all the mistakes, discrepancies, inconsistencies and contradictions in that quran as well as the approval of evil such as raping women who have been captures in battle (surah 33:50) which is adultery and wife beating (surah 4:34) as well as child marriage (surah 65:4) which means that Mohammed and his allah approved of raping little prepubescent girls. And we see that Mohammed led by example when he married a 6 year old child and then raped that child when it was just 9 years old. Clearly Mohammed disqualified himself as a prophet of GOD by the evil he perpetrated. And remember all of islam is only based what Mohammed maybe recited and how he lived. So tell me, why do you even believe that you will be with GOD in heaven on judgement day when you follow Mohammed? And do show the quran verses on which you base your belief
Having multiple Gods means competition will come and the universe wont functions peacefully. However it is beyond debatable because nobody saw who is God and hence just believing in God is more sense than attributing to God.
The arrangement or words by this brother is well explained.. why need to complicate who is GOD? GOD in only ONE.. Simple.. by definition, it is easy to understand what GOD means..
"Allah has never had ˹any˺ offspring, nor is there any god besides Him. Otherwise, each god would have taken away what he created, and they would have tried to dominate one another. Glorified is Allah above what they claim!" - Surah Muminoon
So Mohammed's "the god" (that is all that allah means) is not capable of sending his word to us as a human being? That makes him about as much a god as any pagan idol god as they cannot send their word to us either.
@@johnzuma4688 so you want God to become human and subject himself to the weaknesses of human beings? Like eating, sleeping, going to the toilet? Some God that is....
@@stevengrantofthegiftshop1549 You say >> so you want God to become human and subject himself to the weaknesses of human beings? > Like eating, sleeping, going to the toilet? Some God that is....
@@johnzuma4688 Bro what on Earth are you on about? It's so simple. God is free from imperfection. If he becomes human, he is subjected to human weakness. God is NOT weak and it does not befit God to become a human! How can you trust the Bible when historians AND BIBLE SCHOLARS admit it has been changed over time/manipulated with! Bible has no basis or authority, sorry, try again.
@@stevengrantofthegiftshop1549 You say >>God is free from imperfection. If he becomes human, he is subjected to human weakness. > God is NOT weak and it does not befit God to become a human! > How can you trust the Bible when historians AND BIBLE SCHOLARS admit it has been changed over time/manipulated with! > Bible has no basis or authority, sorry, try again.
Some Christians imagine a Godly throne in the clouds with a bearded old white man sitting on it, and a young man with long hair on his right, and some sort of ghostly figure on the left arm of the chair. Somehow sharing the managing of the affairs of the Universe.
Book of Daniel chapter 7 9. I beheld till the thrones were cast down, and the Ancient of days did sit, whose garment was white as snow, and the hair of his head like the pure wool: his throne was like the fiery flame, and his wheels as burning fire. 13. I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him. 14. And there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed.
So tell me, which Arabic version of the quran do you use and why that one? Or do you not even know that there are some 40 different versions of the Arabic quran we know of? Of course all these qurans were written by unknown authors. And how do you deal with all the mistakes, discrepancies, inconsistencies and contradictions in that quran as well as the approval of evil such as raping women who have been captures in battle (surah 33:50) which is adultery and wife beating (surah 4:34) as well as child marriage (surah 65:4) which means that Mohammed and his allah approved of raping little prepubescent girls. And we see that Mohammed led by example when he married a 6 year old child and then raped that child when it was just 9 years old. Clearly Mohammed disqualified himself as a prophet of GOD by the evil he perpetrated. And remember all of islam is only based what Mohammed maybe recited and how he lived. So tell me, why do you even believe that you will be with GOD in heaven on judgement day when you follow Mohammed? And do show the quran verses on which you base your belief
So tell me, which Arabic version of the quran do you use and why that one? Or do you not even know that there are some 40 different versions of the Arabic quran we know of? Of course all these qurans were written by unknown authors. And how do you deal with all the mistakes, discrepancies, inconsistencies and contradictions in that quran as well as the approval of evil such as raping women who have been captures in battle (surah 33:50) which is adultery and wife beating (surah 4:34) as well as child marriage (surah 65:4) which means that Mohammed and his allah approved of raping little prepubescent girls. And we see that Mohammed led by example when he married a 6 year old child and then raped that child when it was just 9 years old. Clearly Mohammed disqualified himself as a prophet of GOD by the evil he perpetrated. And remember all of islam is only based what Mohammed maybe recited and how he lived. So tell me, why do you even believe that you will be with GOD in heaven on judgement day when you follow Mohammed? And do show the quran verses on which you base your belief
It boils down to whether we understand Divinity as Absolute or relative Most if not all "debunkings" of Tawhid fails to some degree at acknowledging and fully understanding this essential distinction Even materialistic atheism fails in that if it denies the existence of Absolute Truth (regardless of Its Specific Name), then reason and experience themselves are debunked since they're contingent to the axiom of Absolute Truth If truth is inherently relative, then contradictions would be inherent to the nature of existence and truth and falsehood would be impossible to distinguish from each other, since for all intent and purposes they're the same Therefore rendering the very possibility of reason and experience non-existent However, if it affirms the existence of Absolute Truth, therefore said Truth would have to possess all the Attributes pertaining to Its Absolute Nature, leading inevitably to Tawhid
So tell me, which Arabic version of the quran do you use and why that one? Or do you not even know that there are some 40 different versions of the Arabic quran we know of? Of course all these qurans were written by unknown authors. And how do you deal with all the mistakes, discrepancies, inconsistencies and contradictions in that quran as well as the approval of evil such as raping women who have been captures in battle (surah 33:50) which is adultery and wife beating (surah 4:34) as well as child marriage (surah 65:4) which means that Mohammed and his allah approved of raping little prepubescent girls. And we see that Mohammed led by example when he married a 6 year old child and then raped that child when it was just 9 years old. Clearly Mohammed disqualified himself as a prophet of GOD by the evil he perpetrated. And remember all of islam is only based what Mohammed maybe recited and how he lived. So tell me, why do you even believe that you will be with GOD in heaven on judgement day when you follow Mohammed? And do show the quran verses on which you base your belief
"If" is the problem, straight from the off. If you define God according to certain attributes, then you're limiting God to a set of parameters . You're then in a position of defending these parameters and excluding everything outside them. But this only speaks to an epistemic insistence and not necessarily an ontological reality. The only thing preventing anyone from saying there are multiple Gods, all arising spontaneously and independent of each other, is, "that doesn't fit my parameters." To which the proper retort is, "so what?" This argument doesn't hold any water.
Well no one is saying god can't do something, he is not limited by any set parameter. That's right But he by his will himself just fits his majesty, problem? He chooses to operate by Certain Principles, He is his own being that has intentionally and Perfect Conciousness after all? It shouldn't be surprising why does he do something that which is only befitting and he does not do something non-god. But really? Though, you as his creation can't even question his reasoning and infinite wisodm, I mean sure you can question but this god we speak of is beyond everything, so no analogy, logic or comprehension can encompass him. You will only see his way of justice when it's revealed for everyone and everyone would be content with that justice and would have no arguments whatsoever that's how convincing it is. For the matter, why "can't" or rather why doesn't he turn into two? But wait before that you have to understand logical fallacies and contradictions, (things of our human mind given by god to operate towards truth but these are not perfect beyond god) So we say god is the ultimate reality, the only real one, the absolute truth and who encompass all things that are and all things that are not. So his will is the absolute reality and only his will dictates what happens or what manifests in existence, no other Authority, he has No level of accountability, he does whatever wills but accordingly with his own willing attributes and principles. So if this god willed to be two as we understand it, That would be like this: So if two such gods happened to be with independent with his own will, all-encompassing, infinite and having absolute control of everything and beyond that. And where There is no condition that those two must conform with one another they are their own infinitely encompassing beings having their own not limited by anything at all will after all. Can you see the problem yet? None of these two is inferior or superior but both absolute? But you will see that the true absolute by definition without exception must be one. So if one of these two gods' wills didn't agree what happenes? Boom! Surprise! Nothing anymore! Actually, you know what? None of them were really this God that we had in mind initially, They both limit eachother, so if one absolute god wants that the other dissapears or his will doesn't work by definition it has to happen anyways and by definition that other absoulte god cannot be overpowered with someone else's will, so his will also stops the other one's will and this will shall also be stopped by the other then that should be stopped by the other? Wait, what? Nothing really makes sense then? Everything and nothing cannot happen while it is trying to happen forever by whom, what? who is the incharge of all existence here? Now you see it? Logic fallacy, Self-contradiction, Paradoxes, Do you see all of it now? Not to say these limit God but he made these to see how his reality works. Well, wait! We can say they have their own respective realities where there will is absolute and then? they don't interfere with eachother or can't? So yeah what then? Look! how many dimensions, parallel realities, Realms of being and Multiverses you bring up We had this established in our definition first that all of this works as God the only absolute wants, his will dictates if they can exist or not and then his will also dictates how would these functions, it all has to be in his without exception he will encompass all this infinite business, nothing else no matter logic-reason, finity and INFINITY, none would encompass him. So having two gods with two realities that each can operate in only their reality means Then there is no absolute god there who has ultimate authority and absolute will of all that is which includes all realities and all that which is not or has potential of but not manifest and there can't be two such fundamental realities then there has to be a superior reality behind them, you see? This would again lead to the Infinite Regression Fallacy or Paradox which suggests Nothing could've ever come into being to begin with! it is this motto "NOTHING IS!" and so that aims to render your current experience as unreal, will you say that also? Language and logic has been given to humans so that they can function without going insane and so that they tend towards the truth with those by their given inherently curious nature. And that also means linguistic contradictions and fallacies would be also deemed as they way of showing the way to the true reality of his. You cannot just say that if a is possible and b is possible where and b are contradictory or opposite in nature then postulate that a and b both are simultaneously possible (Like if turning a car right is possible and turning a car left is also possible by you then turning a car left and right simultaneously at the same time must also be possible by you since both of the acts involved are things you could do individually which is wrong, this would have worked if a and b weren't contradictory of each other you can walk and eat at the same time but you cannot walk and sprint at the same time). Some doubts and questions of humans fail to become a question by being invalid in their linguistic constitution to begin with. So you cannot just act like here I have a sentence "Can God create a rock that he cannot himself lift given that he is capable of everything?" And then say " Here! I stopped God from getting to be true" as if you are the one limiting him and defining his nature here with your also limited inefficient tool of language that He God created and people do all this without realising that you are the one here being limited you are the one being defined of your nature by some superior force This just isn't how language works, this sentence ontologically doesn't have any existence in linguistics. So should all these people have the hold of authority for concluding the matter of God's Existence or his nature? Should you be depending your belief on what people have chosen and established for them as to believe even if that is your family?. No rather get your OWN brain, mind or spiritual tendency with judgement and Intuition of truth to start working for having the decision. You had been given those with a purpose.
@@amatussalamkaosar7207 You've just restated the original argument. The problem is you're wading through an epistemic minefield making confident assertions about absolutism and perfection without any basis; reaffirming the efficacy of logic and language is simply doubling down on our epistemology and tells us nothing about God's existence. Rather, we find ourselves exploring our epistemic processes and then fashioning from them assertions about God (independently of our experienced reality). These arguments don't disprove God, neither do they prove God; this is casuistry. And you risk (I say risk, but I like stories too, and they can be benign) falling into anthropomorphic theologies. Don't get me wrong, these are fascinating subjects (just ask Frege, Russell and Wittgenstein), but the problem here is not logical fallacies and language paradoxes, it's presupposition. The argument proceeds from an a priori of God's existence. This is why you can make statements like 'language and logic were given to us' without seeing any problem with that statement, when really this is the meat of the problem, and it's being glossed over. Your (good examples) of linguistic contradictions are the same as apologetics which pose questions like, "who created the creation?" Once you get past language (logic being a type of syntax of language in this argument: arguably nothing in reality points to one supreme God) you're not left with much to work with. It's most probable these are all just stories we tell ourselves. When you presuppose, 'God exists, therefore . . .', you've already raced ahead of the argument and are just preaching to people who have bought into the same stories you have. Everything that follows teeters precariously on a presupposition.
@@kurremkarmerruk8718 Brother, I love how you presented your point. And I'm surely not one to be able to present one against it as perhaps you are an individual who is superior of knowledge than me (doesn't matter the kind) while that position holds true for me, I would just like to point out that in fact nothing then is without pressumptions, priori, proposition or axioms in mathematical terminology, whatever you call it nothing IS without dependece on those, even if not the first or the most basic but among them is the presumption of anything's existence, being real at all. If you define the experience of your being as true based on your subjective experience does it really have a profound ground? Yet don't you like to assume that you are here and so are things around you or do you not? If we didn't act upon that first one nothing really makes sense then at least from our perspective. Do you really want to say There exists nothing while the first proof for it comes from within yourself, without out which all of science is unprovable. The first hidden line of any assertion is "If we assume," and as humans our fundamental assumption is "If we assume that as I'm currently thinking, I'm existent and perceiving and if I hold that able of deciding on the existence of other materials around me as true as well then...." (And well who is to say that the first line that I'm thinking is true, am I thinking these as write this comment? Jeez man what a dilemma, right? or not?) So and such a list of such postulates are behind everything we do, know, believe and experience. Finally, I want to say that I'm not one qualified of argument with you in this matter. So you can accuse me of being satisfied with personal conviction at the end of the day all of which only fundamentally is arising from subjective judgements. Society couldn't have been born if we didn't take the first step of concious action based on this subjective experience without caring too much about the validity of supposed reality behind it. Thank you for your insights. I guess then we won't ever know what is real and the why behind all things even after we die according to your worldview or rather say the general worldview of this era. But according to my worldview, we would get to know and all matters should've been settled with in the end, nothing will reamin in the logical dilemmas and nothing will remain undone, unsatisfied, unanswered or unjustified, maybe even unknown? (Of course that view is with priories). Then I guess we will able to see which one of us is siding with the truth only in my case while in your case if it is true it will remain forever unacknowledged by me when I'm in the abyss of non-existence after my death. But just as the general worldview I was talking about goes, does that really matter for what I acknowledge or not? So Peace! (Lol When it only matters assuming so and so and so matters with the tool of subjective experience only, what is that event?)
@@amatussalamkaosar7207 No no, you're more than qualified: all you need is curiosity, and you clearly have a perceptive mind. I agree with you. You've put the problem nicely. We find ourselves in this curious position, not at the beginning, not at the end, but most assuredly -- as much as we can be sure of anything -- in a position. And how? Are we passive recipients of information? Or are we actively making information ourselves and nothing exists? Or is information part of a complex dialectic in which our conscious mind operates and is operated upon (by) sensual (or other) data to create a unique, limited perspective in the universe? Epistemology explores what information there is, what effect it has and how we use it, and we can come to an understanding about our beliefs (at the very least, as they relate to us) through careful analysis of our framing and influences. Information can be characterised into different qualia from various sources. Some is considered more reliable, some not, and we can establish whether some information holds more objective truth or subjective. A great example you mentioned is the idea that when we personally die, a powerful, far reaching balancing takes place in the universe, where it is determined what was just and fair, and the wrongs we experienced while alive are, at the very end, righted, neatly completing our existence; that is, if our life isn't already a completed circle, determined for us by an outside force, and we're simply at one point, experiencing what has already happened. We can look around and find examples to disprove and prove this idea. I sat with my grandad as he explained, decades after the fact, how he felt inexplicable despair a week before his four year old girl died in a motorcycle accident, and I told him how I dreamed, days before my mother took her own life, about her body in a coffin with rays of golden light pouring onto her from above. We all experience a coming together of order in the world around us, and also the chaos of entropy; we see the cruel indifference of the natural world; we feel our own indifference -- god, don't we feel it shamefully -- to the suffering we see in others; we have trembled in the dark pit of helplessness: and so we know the opposites, we know what the ultimate good must be like. We have patterns that inform our thinking on this. But we also have increasingly complex understanding about our emotions and values, the way chemicals alter our brains and how our brains alter our perception of the extant universe around us and interpret its operations upon us. We know how slippery knowledge can be. And we have to suspect our ego in believing anything conforms to our mind rather than our mind having to conform to everything else. We have Freud to thank for this new plane of anxiety, and Freud spent his time translating Shakespeare, reading these stories and characters we'd been telling ourselves about for hundreds of years into the world around him, and rediscovering them as "truths." People of conviction are often the bravest, most powerful people there can be: world-altering heroes. To stride forward with confidence is brave; to do it when you know you're blind is braver. This is why Mohammed is considered one of the greatest men to have lived. But I personally think the bravest thing to do is to recognise our subjectivity and test ourselves. To be afraid of where we might end up, but stepping forward on shaking legs; to be afraid of annihilating ourselves in the process but fighting heroically and craftily against the damage we might suffer; to celebrate our subjective power in making beautiful and good meanings from the information we forge; maybe even uncovering objective truths to share with others. But this does mean that weak claims and fragile epistemic positions get shaken to pieces in the process. Some truths, like atomic time, are everywhere whisking you along with an irresistible force, while others collapse under the weight of a thousand scrutinies and are swept as fragments into the eddies of our innermost minds, broken but never to be destroyed, or at some time, lost and forgotten.
Christianity is only following ancient Greek beliefs in respect to God and The Parthians in respect to the trinity. Christianity is a set of mythological beliefs of ancient peoples who had no clear understanding of God or the universe. The idea of the Eucharist, for instance, is copied from Mithraism, the pre-Zoroastrian religion of the Persians. Christianity is a mishmash of mythological beliefs and is polytheistic to the core. Islam on the other hand, is a monotheistic religion based on rational thought and the reality of the world.
I think you mean Pantheon of Gods. For example, Al Lah, Al Lat, Al Uzza and Manat was a pantheon of Gods. The Father (Allah swt), The Son (Kalimat Allah and the Holy Spirit (Ruh Allah) are not a pantheon but the persons of the one and only God. Just because there are certain parallels between religions does not mean that one is copied from the other. If that is the case Islam and the pre-Islamic pagan religions are the same. 1. Circumcision. 2. child marriage. 3. Premabulation around the Kaabah. 4. Haj pilgrimage. 5. Polygamy. 6. Allah like the pagan gods obsessed with sex. 7. Monotheism. 8. Animal Sacrifice. 9. The belief in God. 10. Salvation by works alone. 11. Predestination. the list goes on and on.
@@fedesetrtatio1 You are right! In the case of Abrahamic religions, similarities are due to the message being issued from the same source, like the list of similar sets of beliefs that you have mentioned. But in the case of the Eucharist, no Abrahamic religion states anything of that nature! Or in the case of the trinity, the same thing applies. The Eucharist was most definitely a Mithraic rite and the trinity was practiced by the Parthians. The trinity of the Parthians comprised Ahura Mazda, Mithras, and Anahita. There is no precedence of these two anywhere in Abrahamic religions. A trinity is a pantheon, for if they all share the same traits equally, there would be three gods, and if one was above the other two, that would be no trinity.
@@venonparni Do you even know what the Holy Eucharist is? The holy Eucharist is the New blood atonement for the forgiveness of sin after the prophecy of the dying Messiah is fulfilled. The Hallmark of both Abrahamic faiths of Judaism and Christianity have blood atonement for the forgiveness of sins. If Islam does not have blood atonement for the forgiveness of sins then it is not an Abrahamic faith and Allah and Mohammad has lied to you. You have a trinity in Islam too. Allah the Slave Master (swt) + Kalimat Allah (eternal word quan) + Ruh Allah (holy Spirit) shall we call it "the trinity of the Parthians too". Do you know the difference between trinity and triad?
@@fedesetrtatio1 What you are saying is based on ancient Greek, Mithraic and other pagan ideas. If you consider yourself a monotheist, you should know that what Christianity says has no root in truth. There is only one God and He has not taken a partner, He has not been born, nor did he give birth. What you believe is has no element of truth in it and as such there is nothing holy about it. There is no trinity in Islam. God forbids this idea in the Quran and promises severe punishment for those who follow such ideas. Please have look at the following verses of the Quran just as my evidence: The Quran, Chapter 19 (Maryam), Verses 88-90 88. They say: “ (God) Most Gracious Has begotten a son! ” 89. Indeed ye have put forth A thing most monstrous! 90. At it the skies are ready To burst, the earth To split asunder, and The mountains to fall down In utter ruin. The Quran, Chapter 5, Al Ma'idah (the Table), verses 116-117: 116. And on Judgment Day˺ Allah will say, “O Jesus, son of Mary! Did you ever ask the people to worship you and your mother as gods besides Allah?” He will answer, “Glory be to You! How could I ever say what I had no right to say? If I had said such a thing, you would have certainly known it. You know what is ˹hidden˺ within me, but I do not know what is within You. Indeed, You alone are the Knower of all unseen. 117. I never told them anything except what You ordered me to say: “Worship Allah-my Lord and your Lord!” And I was witness over them as long as I remained among them. But when You took me, You were the Witness over them-and You are a Witness over all things. The Quran, Chapter 5, Al Ma'idah (the Table), verses 17-18: 17. They disbelieve (believers from Christians) those who say, “God is the Christ, the son of Mary.” Say, “Who can prevent God, if He willed, from annihilating the Christ son of Mary, and his mother, and everyone on earth?” To God belongs the sovereignty of the heavens and the earth and what is between them. He creates whatever He wills, and God has power over everything. The Quran, Chapter 5, Al Ma'idah (the Table), verse 73: Those who say, “Allah is one in a Trinity,” have certainly fallen into disbelief. There is only One God. If they do not stop saying this, those who disbelieve among them will be afflicted with a painful punishment. The word in Aramaic, the language spoken by Jesus Christ, for God is "Elah" which in Arabic also means "god" and when it takes the definite article in Arabic it becomes "Allah" or the True God. "There is no God but the True God".
@@venonparni said: What you are saying is based on ancient Greek, Mithraic and other pagan ideas ........... Please clarify: What did I say that is based on pagan ideas.
Past Humans tried to understand The Existence of The God with multiple Gods, and misled the message even the messenger, the true identity is only One God, and all of the other “Gods “are under his Authority and Kingdom, he is mentioned as Light Traits & Dark Traits as his costume ( Hijab ), meanwhile, the True God is the only One, The True Endless God has a Name. He waiting for all of mankind to find him, even in the light or in the darkness.
Elhamdülillah for this video! Also i have a question, what if we instead say that we for example have 2 gods which combined are fully allmighty all-knowing etc but one of them is half of these attributes and the other is the other half They aren't all-powerful but using their force together they are able to create the entire universe just like an allmighty God Maybe you could say that then they aren't gods because they are lacking but i wonder if there are any other problems with this concept that make it illogical My initial idea was that they would actually be one God since assuming that their attributes are different and only one would then have the intelligence then separating them into two beings would make no sense but I don't know if I'm on the right track And also what if two gods for example shared all mightiness
Ok so the main issue is you said they can unite and have enough power to create the universe. God has absolute power, His power is not limited to creating the universe and it is not a quantity. It is complete. So these two entities uniting to get enough power means that their power is finite and limited. finite + finite =/= absolute. They can never have complete power because we already know their power is limited. Rationally that is where they are rejected from being God. I think the reason you are having these questions is because your fundamentals are not solid yet. I reccomend you watch the playlist: Why Islam is True, by Basira Education. It proves everything using rationality and logic. And will give you solid foundations. They also have a course you can get if you e-mail them which I heard is updated and even better.
when you have individual thinking and mindset and power then difference is inevitable and then those unite gods may differ in some case and ends up marvel infinity wars
@@Russ--R it's in the definition. God is just a term used to denote one of two things: 1. The necessary existence upon which all other existence ultimately relies or 2. The focus of someone's worship. When these two definitions are taken as mutually inclusive, then you get monotheism. If you want to know how we arrived at the necessary existence being all powerful, then again, it just comes down to understanding the definition. It's like asking how we arrived at a mammal being a vertebrate. We're just categorizing things. How familiar are you with the concept of contingency?
@@sunwukong32 "it's in the definition." - Which is man made. It's not even an observed desription, merely a hypothetical construct. "1. The necessary existence upon which all other existence ultimately relies" - Where are you getting this neccessity from ? "2. The focus of someone's worship." - Which is merely a subjective act. "When these two definitions are taken as mutually inclusive, then you get monotheism." - Not neccerily. It would be possible to worship a non-personal, deistic god. "How familiar are you with the concept of contingency?" - Very. The contingency argument is lame but you theists still hang your hat on it.
Look, I get it. As a theist you feel that there's some entitlement for you to decide what is or isn't God, but if your God can't create a god, he's not all powerful. If two gods can't be identical, again, not all-powerful. If your god can't be three people.. more bad news. It's not about the value of your religion. It's simply how words work.
God is independent of creation and God exists as three persons (not entities) who are inseparable. Christians don't believe in three gods who depend on eachother.
If you start using words made by humans (like the words person, essence, substance or trinity etc) to describe God then know that you are on the wrong path. God should be described by words He revealed through His messengers or His holy books, any word used to describe Him except through words He revealed will amounts to transgression towards His Holiness because we don't have the authority to use words He did not approve for Himself. Therefore the trinity cannot be right because to explain it you have to use words God did not approve for Himself.
You're asserting that something must exist according to how you define "god"> Define "god" how you like, doesn't mean that it exists or that something else exists that isn't quite what you call god. There is a Master God, who creates one god for each universe. Prove me wrong.
@uthman2281 Well no one is saying god can't do something, he is not limited by any set parameter. That's right But he by his will himself just fits his majesty, problem? He chooses to operate by Certain Principles, He is his own being that has intentionally and Perfect Conciousness after all? It shouldn't be surprising why does he do something that which is only befitting and he does not do something non-god. But really? Though, you as his creation can't even question his reasoning and infinite wisodm, I mean sure you can question but this god we speak of is beyond everything, so no analogy, logic or comprehension can encompass him. You will only see his way of justice when it's revealed for everyone and everyone would be content with that justice and would have no arguments whatsoever that's how convincing it is. For the matter, why "can't" or rather why doesn't he turn into two? But wait before that you have to understand logical fallacies and contradictions, (things of our human mind given by god to operate towards truth but these are not perfect beyond god) So we say god is the ultimate reality, the only real one, the absolute truth and who encompass all things that are and all things that are not. So his will is the absolute reality and only his will dictates what happens or what manifests in existence, no other Authority, he has No level of accountability, he does whatever he wills but accordingly with his own willing attributes and principles. So if this god willed to be two as we understand it, That would be like this: So if two such gods happened to be with their respective independent own will, all-encompassing, infinite and having absolute control of everything and beyond that. And where There is no condition that those two gods must conform with one another they are their own infinitely encompassing beings having their own will not limited by anything at all after all. Can you see the problem yet? None of these two is inferior or superior but both absolute? But you will see that the true absolute by definition without exception must be one. So if one of these two gods' wills didn't agree what happenes? Boom! Surprise! Nothing anymore! Actually, you know what? None of them were really this God that we had in mind initially, They both limit eachother, so if one absolute god wants that the other disappears or that the other god's will doesn't work by definition it has to happen anyways and by definition that other absoulte god cannot be overpowered with someone else's will, so his will also stops the other one's will and this will shall also be stopped by the other then that should be stopped by the other? Wait, what? Nothing really makes sense then? Everything and nothing cannot happen while it is trying to happen forever by whom, what? who is the incharge of all existence here? Now you see it? Logical fallacy, Self-contradiction, Paradoxes, Do you see all of it now? Not to say these limit God but he made these to see how his reality works. Well, wait! We can say they have their own respective realities where their respective wills are absolute and then? they don't interfere with eachother or can't? So yeah what then? Look! how many dimensions, parallel realities, Realms of being and Multiverses you bring up We had this established in our definition first that all of these things work as God the only absolute wants, his will dictates if they can exist or not and then his will also dictates how would these functions, it all has to be in his without exception he will encompass all this infinite business, nothing else no matter logic-reason, finity and INFINITY, none would encompass him. So having two gods with two realities that each can operate in only their reality means Then there is no absolute god there who has ultimate authority and absolute will of all that is which includes all realities and all that which is not or has potential of but not manifest and there can't be two such fundamental realities then there has to be a superior reality behind them, you see? This would again lead to the Infinite Regression Fallacy or Paradox which suggests Nothing could've ever come into being to begin with! it is this motto "NOTHING IS!" and so that aims to render your current experience as unreal, will you say that also? Language and logic has been given to humans so that they can function without going insane and so that they tend towards the truth with those by their given inherently curious nature. And that also means linguistic contradictions and fallacies would be also deemed as they way of showing the way to the true reality of his. You cannot just say that if a is possible and b is possible where a and b are contradictory or opposite in nature then postulate that a and b both are simultaneously possible (Like if turning a car right is possible and turning a car left is also possible by you then turning a car left and right simultaneously at the same time must also be possible by you since both of the acts involved are things you could do individually then why not both? which assumption is wrong, this would have worked if a and b weren't contradictory of each other like you can walk and eat at the same time but you cannot walk and sprint at the same time). Some doubts and questions of humans fail to become a question by being invalid in their linguistic constitution to begin with. So you cannot just act like here I have a sentence "Can God create a rock that he cannot himself lift given that he is capable of everything?" And then say " Here! I stopped God from getting to be true" as if you are the one limiting him and defining his nature here with your also limited inefficient tool of language that He God created and people do all this without realising that you are the one here being limited you are the one being defined of your nature and your tools by some superior force This just isn't how language works, this sentence ontologically doesn't have any valid existence in linguistics. So should all these people have the hold of authority for concluding the matter of God's Existence or his nature? Should you be depending your belief on what people have chosen and established for them as what to believe even if that is your family?. No rather get your OWN brain, mind or spiritual tendency with judgement and Intuition of truth to start working for having the decision. You had been given those with a purpose.
In Islam, Allah (God) is considered to be all-knowing and all-powerful, and is believed to have created the universe and everything in it. However, according to Islamic teachings, Allah has chosen to convey His messages to humanity through angels, rather than communicating directly with humans. There are several reasons why Allah may need angels to convey His messages: this is the one I chooses for you. humans are considered to be imperfect and fallible. So therefore humans may naturally enjoy there being angels conveying messages.(I couldn’t find the right word so I took enjoy but you can basically replace it with almost anything). For angels existing it might be the same “enjoyment” for the idea of servants of god existing.
God cannot be created, he is unique and only 1 if you hear someone say about other Gods then know that, they are just guessing, Allah responds to people when they call upon him, in different ways 1: Dreams, 2: Signs from life which you had asked for and some other ways which are so perfectly calculated that you won't believe that it was a sign or not.(Depends on your level of faith)
So the creator (god) created faulty beings who he then has to be forgiving towards? Why would a perfect creator have any need to create since having a need is a clear attribute of an imperfect being? Then he proceeds to create imperfect beings? Doesn't that say more about the creator than the creation?
Nope, that’s your point of view. God’s knowledge and wisdom is infinite. We need God, and through Him we attain success. Each and everything is His creation, including us. He is perfect. We are not faulty, we are made perfect as well, but our innate nature (fitrah) always leads towards worshipping One God. That’s what our purpose is. He commands, it’s done. We have limited knowledge, God is not limited.
@@Acevern it's my point view that a perfect being created imperfect creations? So what is your point of view? That God is not a perfect being? Or that he created perfect creations?
@@husainjshakir You cannot comprehend everything. God is perfect, all perfection belongs to Him alone. We are created perfectly by God. We need Him. How more simple should I make?
@@Acevern for beings created perfect, we do seem to be rather imperfect what with sins and threats of hellfire. You really do need to start with the definition of perfection before using the word. Will make for a better argument. Let's call it a more intellectual argument.
@@husainjshakir You don’t understand what I am saying. God is perfect, His creation is flawless. However, we as humans aren’t perfect. It might be difficult for you to understand this, but look into how perfectly universe is being held, how elements came to earth, how earth is only habitable planet, how it protects us from radiation, everything is perfect for our survival, our body, our functions, everything is flawless and works until our soul’s time is to depart. You don’t look very Muslim having a Muslim name.
@@Scrubik1 Did I say that the other gods were associates of Allah. But there is no denying that the Quran confirms that there are other Gods with Allah. For example, the Satanic Verses which is in your own hadiths. Mohammad bowed down in worship to Al Lat, Al uzza and Manat.
@@ionosstabib5242 It is amazing that you guys are not familiar with verses and yet you claim you have memorized the quran. Read Surah Al-Mu’minun 23:14
Al-Mu'minun 23:14 ثُمَّ خَلَقۡنَا ٱلنُّطۡفَةَ عَلَقَةً فَخَلَقۡنَا ٱلۡعَلَقَةَ مُضۡغَةً فَخَلَقۡنَا ٱلۡمُضۡغَةَ عِظَٰمًا فَكَسَوۡنَا ٱلۡعِظَٰمَ لَحۡمًا ثُمَّ أَنشَأۡنَٰهُ خَلۡقًا ءَاخَرَۚ فَتَبَارَكَ ٱللَّهُ أَحۡسَنُ ٱلۡخَٰلِقِينَ Then We made the sperm-drop into a clinging clot, and We made the clot into a lump [of flesh], and We made [from] the lump, bones, and We covered the bones with flesh; then We developed him into another creation. So blessed is Allah, the best of creators. Get Quran App: gtaf.org/apps/quran #GreentechApps I don’t see where any of the Arab pagan gods are mentioned
I genuinely find these conversations very funny 🤣.... it's like two kids fighting between Marvel and DC and trying to prove which IMAGINARY character is better . And without even a single objective truth mind...and why would they provide it when they can just "Believe".
@@BahanbakarSubsidi Because that's not how the scientific process works. Here's a brief introduction: When a person has a hypothesis, the hypothesis here being the 'existence of god' ... The onus of proof lies on the person who came up with the hypothesis and not on the people who reviewing it But in case of religion people are just told to believe an articles written by someone without that said someone providing a single shred of evidence.. and not only that they go a step further and say 'not only does God exist, only my version of God is truth and everyone else is bullshit and I still won't provide a shred of proof for this as well ' If you were a man of science you would realise this but I'm guessing you are not
@@BahanbakarSubsidi what are you saying bro.... The process of reviewing means to assess the validity of evidence provided in defence of hypothesis made.... When they don't provide any evidence to begin with how can you even consider it as an option Again it is not my job as someone reviewing it to provide evidence against it, it is job of the people preaching the religion to provide evidence for its existence If you don't understand the scientific process please educate yourself
@@saptarshidas2155 Nah you just make fun of "anyone who believe something" based of your assumption, and indeed your asumption is just asumption, no proof no base.
He is mistaken because he does not know the scriptures. But the trinity Christians are also wrong because God is not a trinity. He is one, He is the Holy Spirit. As our Creator we call Him Father. But He also has a Son Who came from Him and is part of Him. He gave that Son a body so that we could see Him, both on earth and in heaven. Jesus sits right next to the Father on one throne because they are one. To understand this you need to read the HEBREW word “one” which which is “echad” and it is used to describe 2 who are one. In the scripture when God created man and women, it says that a man will leave parents and be joined to his wife, and the 2 shall be 1 flesh. The word there is “echad”. They are still 2 beings but God says they are 1 flesh in His eyes. That is how we are to understand God as well: the Father and Son are 1 Spirit even though you can see Him as 2 beings.. When God says “Hear o Israel Yahuah your God is one” it uses the word “echad” - same word used for Adam and Eve. These are the ONLY two places where this word is used. Everywhere else a different word is used to say the number 1. And we have prophets in scripture who were given a vision of heaven and saw both the Father and the Son next to Him: Enoch, Daniel, David and Stephen. They saw Him and were told by angels that He is called “The Son of Man” as a title. Jesus called Himself The Son of Man and said He was with the Father in heaven and came down to tell us His word and instructions and to tell us to repent and return to God. We may not understand it but this is what Holy Scripture teaches. If you are not sure what to believe simply ask God to show you. Sincerely call on Him and say “ God please show me who you really are so that I may know the truth “ and He will show you.
@@coldfusions1572 I think it more like Hindu's devas, they have that one Rama's opponent who has like thousands of heads tho 🤔 Much more impressive imho 😎
Did you listen to his argument? it seems to me that you didn't understand, 3 persons or what ever you say what is important is the they have 3 separate wills and clearly the Father has the full authority over the other two and they depend on Him so He is the only true God.
@Bang_ALchannel where does it say that methaforic. Lol. I've seen videos of sheikh talking about allah having 2 right hands and a shin. And also fingers.
Mohammed's "the god" (that is all that allah means) is NOT the GOD of the Christian and Hebrew Bible and Mohammed’s “the god” is not the GOD of Abraham. How do we know. First of all the Christian and Hebrew GOD calls HIMSELF our Father in heaven (Isaiah 63:16 ESV, Matthew 6:9-13). Mohammed's "the god" says he is the Father of no-one. (surah 112:3-4 and Surah 19:92) Mohammed's "the god" commanded Mohammed to bow down in worship to a shrine dedicated to the worship of 360 pagan idol gods (that is the Kaaba btw), something our GOD of the Bible would never do. ( 2 Chronicles 36:15-23). Mohammed's "the god" calls himself the best deceiver and our GOD of the Bible tells us that HE never lies. So three reasons why Mohammed's "the god" cannot be our GOD of the Bible.
If anybody truly understood the Word of God , The Bible , the Lord Jesus Christ , one will know that there is only one God .' It is one God taking three different attributes . Unlike other religions Christians don't put a limit on God's powers and say that he can't take three different attributes at one and the same time . WE believe in a God with limitless powers and not put the limiting powers of man on Him .
Who dose put the limiting power of man? it's you, the problem is that trinity has problems, no matter how you look at it, why do you insist on putting God in three, the problem is that you accept that God can become a man, and this may cause you to follow the antichrist instead of Christ in his second coming, we believe that Jesus (pbuh) when he will come again he will be with Muslims and he will declare himself as a prophet of God, and when Christians with this believe of the trinity will hear that I think most of them they will not accept it and they will say that he is the antichrist, and they will wait for their "christ" who will be non but the antichrist, and of course he will say to you that he is the Son of God and God because he is the biggest of liars, so of course he will not say what he is instead he will match the believe of anyone to make them follow him, I know that you don't believe in that but just imagine if that scenario is true, what will be your protection against it? especially that he will be able to do a lot of "miracles" for example, he will tell sky to rain and it will rain, he will tell it to stop it will stop, he will tell the plaints to grow they will grow, I think in a hadith he will have two angles with him (if you want I will find it for you), so he will be the biggest test for all of us may Allah protect us from his trial, Alhamdulillah for us Muslims it will be easier inchallah because everything is clear so anyone that says he has any form of divinity (God/Son of God) or an other prophet other than Jesus (pbuh), he is the biggest liar, simple as that.
@@khalidxlam You don't understnd and will never understand because you don't open your mind to the fact that the one Single God is many things , not one single entity who can't be everywhere all the time .
Before seeking God from religions, its clear that among the so many religions having their own concept of God, you would think each individual religions all must claim different gods so none have the virtue of being specially true. That's fair to think though until you are not familiar with each one's concept. So the god that i will just advice you to find out and seek and believe in is that essential and ultimate necessary existence who is the ultimate reality the originator of all things. He is like himself not any other. He does not procreate or nothing divides from him because he is indivisible and nor was he procreated from something. He is alone the highest the ultimate, he is Capable of everything. Having absolute will. He is beyond all physicality, spirituality, metaphiscality, all realities, all existence rather all those are manifestations of his will. He is the absolute one above all. Only and truly one in his fundamentality. no parts, no peers, self-sufficient, eternal beyond all concepts of space and time rather all dimensions are there because he wanted and the way he wanted them to be they are. there is nothing over him but rather he overpowers and encompasses all there is, there isn't, there was, there is to be , there could be and beyond, he is the master, the initiator the sustainer of all realms, all fundamental laws and reason and mathematics postulates which are not by their own but caused by this ultimate will, he sets the physical and logic laws accordingly , he makes ultimate sense and does absolute justice, he is pure in his essence and not corrupt, he is the initiator and cause behind all, matter and energy doesn't come without will rather it is him the ultimate the absolute the all able who brought them from nothing, he is the creator so he creates yet he needs none rather all needs him, his knowledge encompasses everything because HE IS the reality, the ultimate reality the inevitable truth. Nothing is beyond him, he is beyond everything, Space and Time are his creations, he is not contained by finite parameters he is infinite and beyond and this ultimate entity has intentionality and will, he is the ultimate conciousness the perfectly sentient the perfectly living, living eternally free from the concept of time with what it gives of begining and end he is without them rather all those concepts are by his will. He is the originator of all concepts all minds, all conciousness he is the absolute one self, all humans are not but conscious because he gave them that energy by his will not from his as part rather the soul is a masterpiece of his also by his majesty's absolute will. And then becomes the question of his will with your being sentinent to know him. Your purpose or mission in this set boundless reality he has placed you and surely that's not for you to be lost in insignificance. There is no question and no inquiry of cause and reason beyond his will rather there is always infinite wisdom behind each of his wills. No one can hold him accountable rather he holds accountable the beings that he gave the burden and responsibility with sentience and morality. all that not in vain rather it is out of profound truth, justice and wisdom which in turn you will realize for one who is capable of all things. choosing the way that you safely are and the way you and existence thrives cannot be but from his benevolence. That which he wills must be and does become inevitably without question, there is no otherwise because its being itself is without question because of its essentiality behind all potential of questions After all that said and established as the basis it becomes your journey to truth. I choose islam because its the only religion out there that give purely this very same basis. islam gave me this resolution and that resonated deep within me for this concept that i held and onwards from this concept of god every other thing of this religion is built and accompanied with logic. If you want know about specifics of this religion surely i have no justified knowledge but i would try to give you the pure islamic idea (not non-muslim media biased) that should make sense to you about the thing that you are curious and indeed the ultimately real truth of existence really is enthralling. When it comes to proofs there are countless for this kind of creator, its not non-sensical, mythical stuff Rather the ultimate proof of this lies in your self ability of deep thought. your intuition can make it to this conviction on its self.
@uthman2281 Well no one is saying god can't do something, he is not limited by any set parameter. That's right But he by his will himself just fits his majesty, problem? He chooses to operate by Certain Principles, He is his own being that has intentionally and Perfect Conciousness after all? It shouldn't be surprising why does he do something that which is only befitting and he does not do something non-god. But really? Though, you as his creation can't even question his reasoning and infinite wisodm, I mean sure you can question but this god we speak of is beyond everything, so no analogy, logic or comprehension can encompass him. You will only see his way of justice when it's revealed for everyone and everyone would be content with that justice and would have no arguments whatsoever that's how convincing it is. For the matter, why "can't" or rather why doesn't he turn into two? But wait before that you have to understand logical fallacies and contradictions, (things of our human mind given by god to operate towards truth but these are not perfect beyond god) So we say god is the ultimate reality, the only real one, the absolute truth and who encompass all things that are and all things that are not. So his will is the absolute reality and only his will dictates what happens or what manifests in existence, no other Authority, he has No level of accountability, he does whatever wills but accordingly with his own willing attributes and principles. So if this god willed to be two as we understand it, That would be like this: So if two such gods happened to be with independent with his own will, all-encompassing, infinite and having absolute control of everything and beyond that. And where There is no condition that those two must conform with one another they are their own infinitely encompassing beings having their own not limited by anything at all will after all. Can you see the problem yet? None of these two is inferior or superior but both absolute? But you will see that the true absolute by definition without exception must be one. So if one of these two gods' wills didn't agree what happenes? Boom! Surprise! Nothing anymore! Actually, you know what? None of them were really this God that we had in mind initially, They both limit eachother, so if one absolute god wants that the other dissapears or his will doesn't work by definition it has to happen anyways and by definition that other absoulte god cannot be overpowered with someone else's will, so his will also stops the other one's will and this will shall also be stopped by the other then that should be stopped by the other? Wait, what? Nothing really makes sense then? Everything and nothing cannot happen while it is trying to happen forever by whom, what? who is the incharge of all existence here? Now you see it? Logic fallacy, Self-contradiction, Paradoxes, Do you see all of it now? Not to say these limit God but he made these to see how his reality works. Well, wait! We can say they have their own respective realities where there will is absolute and then? they don't interfere with eachother or can't? So yeah what then? Look! how many dimensions, parallel realities, Realms of being and Multiverses you bring up We had this established in our definition first that all of this works as God the only absolute wants, his will dictates if they can exist or not and then his will also dictates how would these functions, it all has to be in his without exception he will encompass all this infinite business, nothing else no matter logic-reason, finity and INFINITY, none would encompass him. So having two gods with two realities that each can operate in only their reality means Then there is no absolute god there who has ultimate authority and absolute will of all that is which includes all realities and all that which is not or has potential of but not manifest and there can't be two such fundamental realities then there has to be a superior reality behind them, you see? This would again lead to the Infinite Regression Fallacy or Paradox which suggests Nothing could've ever come into being to begin with! it is this motto "NOTHING IS!" and so that aims to render your current experience as unreal, will you say that also? Language and logic has been given to humans so that they can function without going insane and so that they tend towards the truth with those by their given inherently curious nature. And that also means linguistic contradictions and fallacies would be also deemed as they way of showing the way to the true reality of his. You cannot just say that if a is possible and b is possible where and b are contradictory or opposite in nature then postulate that a and b both are simultaneously possible (Like if turning a car right is possible and turning a car left is also possible by you then turning a car left and right simultaneously at the same time must also be possible by you since both of the acts involved are things you could do individually which is wrong, this would have worked if a and b weren't contradictory of each other you can walk and eat at the same time but you cannot walk and sprint at the same time). Some doubts and questions of humans fail to become a question by being invalid in their linguistic constitution to begin with. So you cannot just act like here I have a sentence "Can God create a rock that he cannot himself lift given that he is capable of everything?" And then say " Here! I stopped God from getting to be true" as if you are the one limiting him and defining his nature here with your also limited inefficient tool of language that He God created and people do all this without realising that you are the one here being limited you are the one being defined of your nature by some superior force This just isn't how language works, this sentence ontologically doesn't have any existence in linguistics. So should all these people have the hold of authority for concluding the matter of God's Existence or his nature? Should you be depending your belief on what people have chosen and established for them as to believe even if that is your family?. No rather get your OWN brain, mind or spiritual tendency with judgement and Intuition of truth to start working for having the decision. You had been given those with a purpose.
1. So this god that we speak of as ALLAH ins Islam is that essential and ultimate necessary existence who is the ultimate reality the originator of all things. He is like himself not any other. He does not procreate or nothing divides from him because he is indivisible and nor was he procreated from something. He is alone the highest the ultimate, he is Capable of everything. Having absolute will. He is beyond all physicality, spirituality, metaphiscality, all realities, all existence rather all those are manifestations of his will. He is the absolute one above all. Only and truly one in his fundamentality. no parts, no peers, self-sufficient, eternal beyond all concepts of space and time rather all dimensions are there because he wanted and the way he wanted them to be they are.
Much of the confusion unbelievers nowadays have directly stems from the faulty assumption that humanism is the highest truth. When you have utterly lost faith in heavenly teachings what difference does it make what others believe, and how they conceive of the Almighty? Humanism is a plague on human intellect and a demonic formulation of atheists. If you really believe that hurting or exploiting or stealing from others (for example) are not sufficiently condemned by the great world religions then you're mentally ill, not a pioneering philosopher.
There is Nothing "Great" in Any Religion. We Humans Have The Most Developed Brain. Subconsciously We All Know Enslaving Fellow Humans , Killing , Rape , Loot etc Are Wrong . Religions , Especially Islam Legitimized All These Evil Acts.
Allah comes down in the middle of the night to hear muslims prayers. So he comes down to hear the prayer. So allah cant hear muslims prayer from the first location ?
So hypothetically you’re seeing a friend across the hallway and want to greet them, so you walk up to them and say hi. Does this action of getting close to your friend to greet them automatically imply incapability from other greeting options? Like yelling out, waving, etc. Sometimes idk what you ppl are thinking when coming these conclusions then I remember u just thinking with hate.
@Marz-sd4ps allah does it every night. That means he can't hear muslims prayers in the first location. And need to come down to enter his creation to hear the prayers. Allah isn't all hearing.
@@mikeg1772 Hypothetically every time if you came across your friend you ran up to him to greet him face to face. Does taking this action every time automatically make you incapable of any other options greet him?? Or could it just be reasoning or meaning behind the action you chose to take every time?? Seriously you put out the info and you put out the conclusion/accusation, now it your turn to answer by connecting the 2. How does the info you provided come to this definitive conclusion??? Also want to add there is nothing like unto Allah in all His attributes, so His descending is not like the descening of any of His creatures. The descent is in a real sense but is not in a matter you could think of.
@Marz-sd4ps I can't keep tying about this over and over. Go and watch the videos of Ahmad the ex muslim and syrian. He brought this topic up about allah coming down in the middle of every night to hear your prayers. And not a single muslim could answer it.
So Mohammed's allah is not capable of sending his word to us as a human being and Mohammed's allah cannot eat or drink. So Mohammed's allah is no more god than an one pagan idol god as they are also all just one god, and they cannot send their word to us as a human being and they cannot eat or drink and they are only what some human decides they are, just like this guy had decided that his allah cannot be more than any pagan idol god.
islam teaches that God CAN'T be compared to anything, yet every time you try to debunk the trinity you always compare it to some creation... Yes, you can't say two cups as one because each one occupies different spaces, yet this analogy falls apart in the quantum level of this physical realm... let alone in the spiritual realm. We NATURALLY use our hands to pick up an object, but when someone loses their arm they can learn to use other body parts to do the task. in this sense, we don't depend on our hands... the same can be said about the Trinity, each one has their own role, yet they're NOT dependent on each other. At the same time, we can't say each is INDEPENDENT of the other, because they are in essence the SAME entity, but UNLIKE our hands visibly attached to our body thus the body and hands are ONE entity, the same concept can't be applied to the trinity because the ONENESS NATURE of GOD'S CAN'T BE COMPARED TO ANYTHING.
I'm an atheist but the muslim argument against the Trinity is dumb. If some god did exist, then it could exist in any way, shape, form or manner it so choses.
@@Russ--R that's the muslim double standards right there... they believe God is all mighty, but when it comes to the trinity suddenly they say God can't do this and that 🤦♂
For starters, you're misquoting the Qur'an. A better translation of the message would be that nothing is comparable to Allah ﷻ, not the other way around. It is a statement about His uniqueness, not a ban on metaphors, analogies, or logic. Secondly, you're misunderstanding the Islamic position completely. Put Christianity vs Islam aside for a moment if you'll indulge me. Based upon what both of our faiths agree on, which option is God capable of: A) Making a mistake B) Creating life C) Ceasing to exist D) All of the above Not a trick question, just trying to help clarify our position so you can avoid strawmanning us.
@@sunwukong32 :- For starters, you're misquoting the Qur'an......." This Problem of Misquoting Arises Because Allah Revealed The Quran in Just One Language . He Failed To See The Problem . He Could Have Easily Avoided This Problem By Revealing Quran "Simultaneously" in All Languages . See? Solution Was Simple . But Your God Unnecessarily Made Simple Things So Complicated . 😃
@@srnp0007 I don't have the time or energy to dissect all the presupps you loaded into that argument. When you create your own universe ex-nihilo, then you can run it however you see fit. But as it stands, your disapproval of something in this universe is not an indication that the thing is wrong. It's just an opinion that I didn't ask for.
Provide 7th Century Historical evidence for the following 👍 1. Provide 7th Century historical and archaeological evidence for even a town or a village called Mecca in the Hijaz in the 6th and 7th Century. 2. Provide 6th/7th Century evidence for the following; A. Inscriptions, texts artefacts, coins etc., for your Mohammed of Islam B. An Islamic Quran with a 114 Surahs which matches the one of the current Qurans C. Why does the literal translation of 48:24 not say Mecca? D. Provide Archaeological evidence for the battle of the Trench. E. Provide 7th Century Evidence for Jews in the area of Mecca and Medina 5. Explain why the Mecca in the Hijaz was not on any map until 900 6. Explain why there are no 7th Century records of Mecca in the surrounding Kingdoms, especially as you claim it to be the oldest city in the world!! 7. Explain why the Arab coins from the 640’s onwards had Christian symbols on them 8. Explain why there is no historical evidence for the so called rightly guided caliphs 9. Explain why the Qurans talk about the Southern Levant and not Mecca👍
@@rajababy2009 There were No Islamic Quran in the 7th century 😂 Possibly in the late 8th or early 8th centuries. Just answer my questions instead of deflecting, and btw you call Jesus Isa, that alone should tell how fraudulent Islam is!
@@simonhengle8316 well i give you answer the Quran found in Birmingham is the proof , Saana Quran , Top Kopi Quran and many things related to that time are also exist in topkopi Museaum , you can search as well and now your turn give the same proofs for Jesus Christ pbuh and bible written during Jesus Christ pbuh
@@rajababy2009 Not those again 🙄 Birmingham Text Birmingham text is only two pieces of paper, front and back. It only has 33 texts compared to the Hafs 6,236 versus (0.53% of the Quran), and the suras are somewhat incomplete and have textual variations, verse numbering problems. Three Scholars on the Birmingham text; Efin Rezvan (Russian scholar), was asked to do a lecture on the text by Birmingham University in 2015; “Birmingham Fragments show several textual variants as well as verse numbering differences.” “The very early dating of all these fragments-before the reign of Uthman-casts doubt on *both the Islamic tradition” *refer to the next section “The fact the that the folios were kept for centuries in an iron box, underground can partly explain the early radiocarbon dating” “Parchment was an expensive material (the skin of an entire animal was used to produce the big folio). Monastic and state scriptoria, located on the territory of Greater Syria, Antiochia, al Hira and Alexandria areas, could store this valuable material (including the donations of the pious laity). These stocks became part of the loot captured by the Arabs in the first years of the conquest. Captured leaves were used for writing the Quran.” Conclusion; is that we cannot know when the writing took place as the carbon dating only gives a time line to the animal skin, not the writing, and the parchments were written on at a much later date. Emilio Platti; “pointing out differences to the Sana codex-unquestionably the oldest manuscript (705), which therefore means that this Birmingham fragment is subsequent to the oldest manuscript (Sana).” Dr. Jay Smith; the verses found on the Birmingham text pre-date Islam, examples and are plagiarised stories; Sura 18:17-31; = the 7 sleepers of Ephesus (Metaphrastes & Surag 521 A.D.) Sura 19: 91-98 = Proto Evangelium of James (145 A.D.) Sura 20: 1-40 = the story of Moses (1400 B.C.) None of the verses cover Mohammed, Medina, or Mecca, and there is nothing to do with the Caliphs.
@@rajababy2009 Sana Quran A. The earliest known Quranic manuscript is the Sana’a Quran (Palimpsest) in Yemen, and is incomplete, the lower text has only 18 suras, whilst the upper text has only 38 suras (there should be 114 suras). The Lower text has 63 verses with 70 variants, and of course the upper verses have many variants to the Cairo/Hafs Quran as well. B. It jumps from Sura 19 to Sura 22 (assumed date is 705), you then find sura 20 on the left-hand page and that is a later script added 60-70 years later. C. Dr. Gerd Puin on the Sana i. The original texts had been washed off and written over with new texts. Puin believes that the lower (washed off) older text is evidence of a non-canonical Quran. ii. “Oldest parchments and papers of any Quranic Mushaf” iii. “Yet more than half of the text is ambiguous letters which need diacritical marks for understanding. Adding vowels help correct mistakes. Changes in orthography are found in geographical tradition schools”. As a consequence, individual words can have up to 30 different meanings, and that it was not handed down word for word. iv. The difference between the Sana Quran and the Cairo (Hafs) Quran is startling. On the Quran Puin had this to say in an article in 1999 Atlantic Monthly; “My idea is that the Koran is a kind of cocktail of texts that were not all understood even at the time of Muhammad. Many of them may even be a hundred years older than Islam itself.
Sooooooo close, you just need to minus one more fictional deity and you're back in reality. Believing in one "god" doesn't make that god true. Plenty of First Nations tribes believe in one single god, never heard of yours (allah and Islam ain't universal); and plenty other monotheistic religions in Africa and throughout the Old World. Nothing unique about that.
Perhaps you know nothing about the Qur'an. It tells us that God has sent prophets to many nations. So you shouldn't be surprised if you find monotheistic beliefs around the world. The prophets named in the Qur'an are the ones that were known to the Arabs 1400 years ago.
@@sparephone8228 :- According To Quran What Is The Definition of "Nation" ? Secondly All 25 Prophets/Messengers , Mentioned in The Quran Were "Jews" . Except Mohammad. Plus They All Belonged To Present Day Israel . "Monotheism" is A Matter of Commonsense . How Many Countries You Know Had/Have More Than One Presidents , Prime Ministers or Kings ??
@@srnp0007 Ibrahim was not a Jew. The Qur’aan also mentions Ishmail, Idris, Salah and other Arab prophets. The Persians had a prophet Zoroaster. Polytheism was the norm in most parts of the world, though Buddhists do not believe in a deity.
@@sparephone8228 LMAO, First of all none of the First Nation religion resemble the Abrahamic god in any way or form... Your fictional god did not send any prophets to the Americas. Second if your God was able to send a prophet that could create a stupid book that was non corruptible for the Quran, why the F--- did he not do that for every other prophet? Your god allowed those other prophets' message to become corrupt or was incapable of not allowing them to become corrupt? Sounds like BS either way you slice it. Malicious gaslighter or incompetent non-omnipotent. You just happen to follow the one religious sect that happened not to become corrupted. Yeah, heard that 10000000000000's of times from every other religious cult.
So if God created everything but we as people cant know god, how can people recive the word of god if they cant know him. how could mohammed talk about god if he himself was not like god in some way. if mohammed did not have som relation to god and therefore be somewhat like him, he could not have recived any teachings of god.
@@wisdomattics but if mohammed was a true profet of god then he would have gods energies even though he is seprate he still is like god in some way. christians proclaim that god the father came first, but jesus is in essence like god. son of god.
@@mfling4446 Prophet Muhammad pbuh was Gods creation, a human being like ourselves, that's it. Just like all other prophets were human beings, they all ate food and used the bathroom.
Nuh uh. It was not said in the initial definition of God that he has to be one. It was just the attributes of Independence and absoluteness over all things. Then we supposed say there are two gods then logically have shown wait there can't be two or more. There has to be one
Before seeking God from religions, its clear that among the so many religions having their own concept of God, you would think each individual religions all must claim different gods so none have the virtue of being specially true. That's fair to think though until you are not familiar with each one's concept. So the god that i will just advice you to find out and seek and believe in is that essential and ultimate necessary existence who is the ultimate reality the originator of all things. He is like himself not any other. He does not procreate or nothing divides from him because he is indivisible and nor was he procreated from something. He is alone the highest the ultimate, he is Capable of everything. Having absolute will. He is beyond all physicality, spirituality, metaphiscality, all realities, all existence rather all those are manifestations of his will. He is the absolute one above all. Only and truly one in his fundamentality. no parts, no peers, self-sufficient, eternal beyond all concepts of space and time rather all dimensions are there because he wanted and the way he wanted them to be they are. there is nothing over him but rather he overpowers and encompasses all there is, there isn't, there was, there is to be , there could be and beyond, he is the master, the initiator the sustainer of all realms, all fundamental laws and reason and mathematics postulates which are not by their own but caused by this ultimate will, he sets the physical and logic laws accordingly , he makes ultimate sense and does absolute justice, he is pure in his essence and not corrupt, he is the initiator and cause behind all, matter and energy doesn't come without will rather it is him the ultimate the absolute the all able who brought them from nothing, he is the creator so he creates yet he needs none rather all needs him, his knowledge encompasses everything because HE IS the reality, the ultimate reality the inevitable truth. Nothing is beyond him, he is beyond everything, Space and Time are his creations, he is not contained by finite parameters he is infinite and beyond and this ultimate entity has intentionality and will, he is the ultimate conciousness the perfectly sentient the perfectly living, living eternally free from the concept of time with what it gives of begining and end he is without them rather all those concepts are by his will. He is the originator of all concepts all minds, all conciousness he is the absolute one self, all humans are not but conscious because he gave them that energy by his will not from his as part rather the soul is a masterpiece of his also by his majesty's absolute will. And then becomes the question of his will with your being sentinent to know him. Your purpose or mission in this set boundless reality he has placed you and surely that's not for you to be lost in insignificance. There is no question and no inquiry of cause and reason beyond his will rather there is always infinite wisdom behind each of his wills. No one can hold him accountable rather he holds accountable the beings that he gave the burden and responsibility with sentience and morality. all that not in vain rather it is out of profound truth, justice and wisdom which in turn you will realize for one who is capable of all things. choosing the way that you safely are and the way you and existence thrives cannot be but from his benevolence. That which he wills must be and does become inevitably without question, there is no otherwise because its being itself is without question because of its essentiality behind all potential of questions After all that said and established as the basis it becomes your journey to truth. I choose islam because its the only religion out there that give purely this very same basis. islam gave me this resolution and that resonated deep within me for this concept that i held and onwards from this concept of god every other thing of this religion is built and accompanied with logic. If you want know about specifics of this religion surely i have no justified knowledge but i would try to give you the pure islamic idea (not non-muslim media biased) that should make sense to you about the thing that you are curious and indeed the ultimately real truth of existence really is enthralling. When it comes to proofs there are countless for this kind of creator, its not non-sensical, mythical stuff Rather the ultimate proof of this lies in your self ability of deep thought. your intuition can make it to this conviction on its self.
1. So this god that we speak of as ALLAH ins Islam is that essential and ultimate necessary existence who is the ultimate reality the originator of all things. He is like himself not any other. He does not procreate or nothing divides from him because he is indivisible and nor was he procreated from something. He is alone the highest the ultimate, he is Capable of everything. Having absolute will. He is beyond all physicality, spirituality, metaphiscality, all realities, all existence rather all those are manifestations of his will. He is the absolute one above all. Only and truly one in his fundamentality. no parts, no peers, self-sufficient, eternal beyond all concepts of space and time rather all dimensions are there because he wanted and the way he wanted them to be they are.
2. there is nothing over him but rather he overpowers and encompasses all there is, there isn't, there was, there is to be , there could be and beyond, he is the master, the initiator the sustainer of all realms, all fundamental laws and reason and mathematics postulates which are not by their own but caused by this ultimate will, he sets the physical and logic laws accordingly , he makes ultimate sense and does absolute justice, he is pure in his essence and not corrupt, he is the initiator and cause behind all, matter and energy doesn't come without will rather it is him the ultimate the absolute the all able who brought them from nothing, he is the creator so he creates yet he needs none rather all needs him, his knowledge encompasses everything because HE IS the reality, the ultimate reality the inevitable truth.
3. Nothing is beyond him, he is beyond everything, Space and Time are his creations, he is not contained by finite parameters he is infinite and beyond and this ultimate entity has intentionality and will, he is the ultimate conciousness the perfectly sentient the perfectly living, living eternally free from the concept of time with what it gives of begining and end he is without them rather all those concepts are by his will. He is the originator of all concepts all minds, all conciousness he is the absolute one self, all humans are not but conscious because he gave them that energy by his will not from his as part rather the soul is a masterpiece of his also by his majesty's absolute will.
@@davidbates3353 The Qur'an doesn't identify Trinity. The Quran mentions the word three as applied to Christian belief in two different places 4:171 and 5:73. Does the Quran say that Christians believe in the divinity of Mary mother of Jesus? Yes, it sort of does. Though it does not necessarily imply that all Christians believe that, nor is it explicitly stated that the established concept of Trinity is the divinity of God, Jesus and Mary(rather than the Holy Spirit). Indeed the Prophet Muhammad(p.b.u.h) interacted with diverse sects that were present in his region at his time and they had diverse beliefs.
@@dwnetka That's rather my point... Either the Qur'an doesn't understand Christian belief or is talking about someone else. It's not clear, which is unfortunate since the Qur'an repeatedly claims to be a clear, fully-detailed book. If we want to say that the Qur'an isn't speaking about mainstream Christianity, who is it refuting? There's only one quasi-Christian group I've found which believed Mary was divine - the Collyridians. It seems to have been a pretty insignificant group referenced in a single text and is disputed by scholars. Let's say it's them... Why would Allah's final and most perfect revelation waste time refuting an insignificant group which Allah knows will disappear after a few years, and then stay silent about mainstream Christianity which was found throughout the world until the present day? Personally, I think it's easier to say that the author of the Qur'an just doesn't understand Christianity. Many Qu'ranic translators assert that the "three" of 4:171 refers to the Trinity and supplement the technical term which the Qur'an doesn't provide. The only other time "three" is used, the three people mentioned do not represent the Christian belief in the Trinity. One could very easily see how an Arab in the 7th Century could mistakenly believe this was the Christian belief and is the far simpler explanation.
@@davidbates3353 Yes, the Quran is a clear book. Who said this is a fully detailed book? What do you understand by "clear"? I'm not saying that a 5-year-old child will understand everything. And people's understanding is also different. I would say that using logic, anyone can clearly understand the meaning. The Quran was not sent down to explain Christianity. Why should the Qur'an explain the Trinity at all? How many denominations profess Christianity? Do you expect the Quran to explain them all? As for Mary, not only some denominations, but even some Catholics, for example, will pray to her as if she were a God. Since there is no basic faith in Christianity, what is the point of explaining it at all? However, the Quran clearly says that we should not worship Mary or Jesus and say "three". Isn't that enough?
@@HanningtonGoldin without God you cannot know what is good or bad. You just follow your desires. The heart is the connection between God and his creation
@@Adam001-fp8es :- without God you cannot know what is good or bad. ......" Nonsense . What is The Use of Our The Most Developed Brain if We Can Not Know What is Good or Bad ?? Do You Seriously Believe That Its A God's Job to Teach Us "Toilet Etiquettes" ? How To Approach Female Partner ?
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The quran says that there are many Gods and Allah is one of them
I think you just want to repeat your false accusations about Islam over and over again. Islams asks mankind to worship only the True God. You don't recognize the True God, You believe in a false God. As far as God in the Quran is concerned, the Quran has been sent to guide all mankind. it doesn't require anyone to follow it guidance if they don't want to. Your heart is filled with the love of a human! fine! Worship him to your heart's content. Hate Islam for trying to warn against false Gods all you want! The truth will await us all and God will take idol worshipers and cast them into the pit. The signs are clear and they all around us and for all to see. You want to keep your are shut and follow Greek mythology instead of the True God, It's is your choice. Your own Bible is full of corruptions, and you try to find fault with the Quran. You can continue denying the truth and fight the truth with all your power. But believe me god is above all this fallacy and his glory will diminish all evil and the righteous, those who worship the True lord of the universe, will prevail.
Never ceases to amaze me as a new revert ... reading the comments... Christians seem to watch A LOT of Islamic content.
The Prophet (ﷺ) said, "When any human being is born. Satan touches him at both sides of the body with his two fingers, except Jesus, the son of Mary, whom Satan tried to touch but failed
@@johncena-cd9kr peace be upon them both
@@الحمدلله-ر1ت9ع why satan touch all human being born on earth?
@@johncena-cd9kr ˹Remember˺ when the wife of ’Imrân said, “My Lord! I dedicate what is in my womb entirely to Your service,1 so accept it from me. You ˹alone˺ are truly the All-Hearing, All-Knowing.”
When she delivered, she said, “My Lord! I have given birth to a girl,”-and Allah fully knew what she had delivered-“and the male is not like the female.1 I have named her Mary, and I seek Your protection for her and her offspring from Satan, the accursed.”2
So her Lord accepted her graciously and blessed her with a pleasant upbringing-entrusting her to the care of Zachariah. Whenever Zachariah visited her in the sanctuary, he found her supplied with provisions. He exclaimed, “O Mary! Where did this come from?” She replied, “It is from Allah. Surely Allah provides for whoever He wills without limit.” Quran 3:35-3:37
Key sentence: I have named her Mary, and I seek Your protection for her and her offspring from Satan, the accursed.
Keyword: offspring
@@johncena-cd9krto make us forget our creator.
I am not sure how I ended up here at this video, but interesting.
I was raised as a christian, but trinity (3 gods in one) felt always strange to me...
I doubt if you was raised as christian, because you shouldn't think of Trinity as three gods. You clearly wasn't educated on that matter properly, or you wasn't interested enough to study that point yourself to understand.
One God, three hypostases. What is hypostasis? That is kinda hard concept to grasp, but for sure it is not as easy as to misunderstand trinity as three gods and drop all efforts to try to know it properly
@@TEPMOBETEP how can that make sense though? if they are 3 separate beings, they couldn't logically be one, it doesn't make sense.
@@wisdomattics you intentionaly ignoring what i've wrote? I never said three separate beings. If you want to engage "logically", you must be honest and avoid making logical fallacies. I said hypostases of one God, not "separate god beings". And you want to continue to engage the argument about "separate beings", when i said that is not how Trinity is explained by christians, and that is interpretation of yours is called strawman fallacy. That fallacy is intentional deception or ignorant mistake from your part. Either way, you didn't engage with my point properly, and i have nothing to say, if you didn't want to read what i've already said.
@@TEPMOBETEP im not ignoring what you wrote, but realistically you seeing 1 as 3 is not how I see it logically, that doesn't mean im making logical fallacies, it is a logical fallacy.
@@TEPMOBETEPWhere is hypotasis in the Bible? Show me in the Bible the word hypostasis. Read your Bible and educate yourself. Too much word gymnastics when Jesus teached you himself to worship the one true God.
the fact that muslims even need to explain this logic to christians is in itself mind boggling
The fact that someone who studies this doesn't understand the Trinity is also mind-boggling - one essence, three persons. We don't believe that "God created another God".
I would turn back the question about dependence. Prior to the creation of the world, how can Allah be loving? There is no object of his love, thus making him dependent upon his creation for one of his attributes.
@@davidbates3353 Again God is self sufficient. Until you guys will stop confusing yourselves, Christians won't stop leaving christianity and you know this as well how many people have left just because of this stupidity.
@@davidbates3353 prior to creation, how was God a creator? Garbage argument
@@davidbates3353 Terrible argument. Before creation, how was God a creator? What was He King over?
@@Unlimi-PT I don’t hold to the Muslim view of God, so this is no problem for me. I don’t believe God was a creator from all eternity. You cannot be the creator of all things if nothing exists but you. He became the creator when he created. it is not an eternal attribute.
In contrast, God is love because he has existed in a loving, communion from all eternity .
Perfectly said. Allahuma barek!
So tell me, which Arabic version of the quran do you use and why that one? Or do you not even know that there are some 40 different versions of the Arabic quran we know of? Of course all these qurans were written by unknown authors. And how do you deal with all the mistakes, discrepancies, inconsistencies and contradictions in that quran as well as the approval of evil such as raping women who have been captures in battle (surah 33:50) which is adultery and wife beating (surah 4:34) as well as child marriage (surah 65:4) which means that Mohammed and his allah approved of raping little prepubescent girls. And we see that Mohammed led by example when he married a 6 year old child and then raped that child when it was just 9 years old. Clearly Mohammed disqualified himself as a prophet of GOD by the evil he perpetrated. And remember all of islam is only based what Mohammed maybe recited and how he lived.
So tell me, why do you even believe that you will be with GOD in heaven on judgement day when you follow Mohammed? And do show the quran verses on which you base your belief
Brother has asked a good question❗👳♂️
I think the fact that if a god needs to be created in order to exist then immediately he is the lesser, and thus simply, not needed.
Who was created ?
@@Ryan_NathThe creation.
@@Acevern OP said a god needed to be created
@@Ryan_Nath OP meant according to how polytheists think. God by definition is uncreated.
He’s God, the uncreated complete self sufficient being.
If he’s created then that wasn’t god was it?
Excellent excellent post! Jazak Allah Khair!
Mohammed said that his allah commanded that Mohammed bow down in worship in the direction of the Kaaba just like the pagans did. And Mohammed did that for some 5 years (624 AD to 629 AD) when the Kaaba was a shrine dedicate to 360 pagan idol gods being worshipped there. So who was Mohammed’s allah who was happy to be worshipped as “the god” amongst 360 pagan idol gods? Remember the word “allah” only means “the god”.
We know Mohammed did his pilgrimage to the Kaaba just like the pagans did when all these idol gods were being worshipped there. We know that Mohammed walked around the Kaaba just like the pagan idol worshippers did. We know that Mohammed kissed the black stone just like the pagan idol worshippers did. And Mohammed attributed magical properties to the black stone just like the pagans did. And of course Mohammed never destroyed the Kaaba or the black stone both of which are symbols of idol god worship. So Mohammed did not destroy paganism, he actually practised it.
As the saying goes, if quacks like a duck and it waddles like a duck it must be a duck. Mohammed worshipped just like the pagan idol worshippers did and that makes him an idol worshippers. And of course one is still a monotheist if one worships only one pagan idol god. But that does not change the fact that Mohammed bowed down in worship to pagan idols which makes him an idolater.
May Allah Bless him and his loved ones and keep him under His blessed shade❤
great coverage thank you very much
When you think about it logically if they were the same they wouldn't be 2, it would be 1, SubhanAllah
So tell me, which Arabic version of the quran do you use and why that one? Or do you not even know that there are some 40 different versions of the Arabic quran we know of? Of course all these qurans were written by unknown authors. And how do you deal with all the mistakes, discrepancies, inconsistencies and contradictions in that quran as well as the approval of evil such as raping women who have been captures in battle (surah 33:50) which is adultery and wife beating (surah 4:34) as well as child marriage (surah 65:4) which means that Mohammed and his allah approved of raping little prepubescent girls. And we see that Mohammed led by example when he married a 6 year old child and then raped that child when it was just 9 years old. Clearly Mohammed disqualified himself as a prophet of GOD by the evil he perpetrated. And remember all of islam is only based what Mohammed maybe recited and how he lived.
So tell me, why do you even believe that you will be with GOD in heaven on judgement day when you follow Mohammed? And do show the quran verses on which you base your belief
Having multiple Gods means competition will come and the universe wont functions peacefully. However it is beyond debatable because nobody saw who is God and hence just believing in God is more sense than attributing to God.
You say >> Having multiple Gods means competition will come and the universe wont functions peacefully
The arrangement or words by this brother is well explained.. why need to complicate who is GOD? GOD in only ONE.. Simple.. by definition, it is easy to understand what GOD means..
You say god is one. That is what very pagan idol god worshipper also believes. You are in good company then my friend.
"Allah has never had ˹any˺ offspring, nor is there any god besides Him. Otherwise, each god would have taken away what he created, and they would have tried to dominate one another. Glorified is Allah above what they claim!" - Surah Muminoon
So Mohammed's "the god" (that is all that allah means) is not capable of sending his word to us as a human being? That makes him about as much a god as any pagan idol god as they cannot send their word to us either.
@@johnzuma4688 so you want God to become human and subject himself to the weaknesses of human beings? Like eating, sleeping, going to the toilet? Some God that is....
@@stevengrantofthegiftshop1549 You say >> so you want God to become human and subject himself to the weaknesses of human beings? > Like eating, sleeping, going to the toilet? Some God that is....
@@johnzuma4688 Bro what on Earth are you on about? It's so simple. God is free from imperfection. If he becomes human, he is subjected to human weakness. God is NOT weak and it does not befit God to become a human! How can you trust the Bible when historians AND BIBLE SCHOLARS admit it has been changed over time/manipulated with! Bible has no basis or authority, sorry, try again.
@@stevengrantofthegiftshop1549 You say >>God is free from imperfection. If he becomes human, he is subjected to human weakness. > God is NOT weak and it does not befit God to become a human! > How can you trust the Bible when historians AND BIBLE SCHOLARS admit it has been changed over time/manipulated with! > Bible has no basis or authority, sorry, try again.
Beautifully explained.
Some Christians imagine a Godly throne in the clouds with a bearded old white man sitting on it, and a young man with long hair on his right, and some sort of ghostly figure on the left arm of the chair. Somehow sharing the managing of the affairs of the Universe.
No we don't.
Book of Daniel chapter 7
9. I beheld till the thrones were cast down, and the Ancient of days did sit, whose garment was white as snow, and the hair of his head like the pure wool: his throne was like the fiery flame, and his wheels as burning fire.
13. I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him.
14. And there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed.
So tell me, which Arabic version of the quran do you use and why that one? Or do you not even know that there are some 40 different versions of the Arabic quran we know of? Of course all these qurans were written by unknown authors. And how do you deal with all the mistakes, discrepancies, inconsistencies and contradictions in that quran as well as the approval of evil such as raping women who have been captures in battle (surah 33:50) which is adultery and wife beating (surah 4:34) as well as child marriage (surah 65:4) which means that Mohammed and his allah approved of raping little prepubescent girls. And we see that Mohammed led by example when he married a 6 year old child and then raped that child when it was just 9 years old. Clearly Mohammed disqualified himself as a prophet of GOD by the evil he perpetrated. And remember all of islam is only based what Mohammed maybe recited and how he lived.
So tell me, why do you even believe that you will be with GOD in heaven on judgement day when you follow Mohammed? And do show the quran verses on which you base your belief
@@whongedhan7 So you agree that God our Father sent His Word to us as a human being.
@@johnzuma4688 i do
Wow! The best explanation ever with simple 2 cups as analogy!
So he actually showed that Mohammed's allah was some material pagan idol god. For that his explanation fits perfectly.
Why people wants more or little gods (less powerful)?
satan whispers
So tell me, which Arabic version of the quran do you use and why that one? Or do you not even know that there are some 40 different versions of the Arabic quran we know of? Of course all these qurans were written by unknown authors. And how do you deal with all the mistakes, discrepancies, inconsistencies and contradictions in that quran as well as the approval of evil such as raping women who have been captures in battle (surah 33:50) which is adultery and wife beating (surah 4:34) as well as child marriage (surah 65:4) which means that Mohammed and his allah approved of raping little prepubescent girls. And we see that Mohammed led by example when he married a 6 year old child and then raped that child when it was just 9 years old. Clearly Mohammed disqualified himself as a prophet of GOD by the evil he perpetrated. And remember all of islam is only based what Mohammed maybe recited and how he lived.
So tell me, why do you even believe that you will be with GOD in heaven on judgement day when you follow Mohammed? And do show the quran verses on which you base your belief
Beautiful answer
It boils down to whether we understand Divinity as Absolute or relative
Most if not all "debunkings" of Tawhid fails to some degree at acknowledging and fully understanding this essential distinction
Even materialistic atheism fails in that if it denies the existence of Absolute Truth (regardless of Its Specific Name), then reason and experience themselves are debunked since they're contingent to the axiom of Absolute Truth
If truth is inherently relative, then contradictions would be inherent to the nature of existence and truth and falsehood would be impossible to distinguish from each other, since for all intent and purposes they're the same
Therefore rendering the very possibility of reason and experience non-existent
However, if it affirms the existence of Absolute Truth, therefore said Truth would have to possess all the Attributes pertaining to Its Absolute Nature, leading inevitably to Tawhid
So tell me, which Arabic version of the quran do you use and why that one? Or do you not even know that there are some 40 different versions of the Arabic quran we know of? Of course all these qurans were written by unknown authors. And how do you deal with all the mistakes, discrepancies, inconsistencies and contradictions in that quran as well as the approval of evil such as raping women who have been captures in battle (surah 33:50) which is adultery and wife beating (surah 4:34) as well as child marriage (surah 65:4) which means that Mohammed and his allah approved of raping little prepubescent girls. And we see that Mohammed led by example when he married a 6 year old child and then raped that child when it was just 9 years old. Clearly Mohammed disqualified himself as a prophet of GOD by the evil he perpetrated. And remember all of islam is only based what Mohammed maybe recited and how he lived.
So tell me, why do you even believe that you will be with GOD in heaven on judgement day when you follow Mohammed? And do show the quran verses on which you base your belief
no-cloning theorem is ingrained in our DNA(s) at quantum level even when quantum mechanics hasn't yet found back then
Question : what will happen if there is more than 1 god
Me: have you ever played God Of War??... its a mess
"If" is the problem, straight from the off. If you define God according to certain attributes, then you're limiting God to a set of parameters . You're then in a position of defending these parameters and excluding everything outside them. But this only speaks to an epistemic insistence and not necessarily an ontological reality. The only thing preventing anyone from saying there are multiple Gods, all arising spontaneously and independent of each other, is, "that doesn't fit my parameters." To which the proper retort is, "so what?"
This argument doesn't hold any water.
Well no one is saying god can't do something, he is not limited by any set parameter.
That's right But he by his will himself just fits his majesty, problem? He chooses to operate by Certain Principles, He is his own being that has intentionally and Perfect Conciousness after all? It shouldn't be surprising why does he do something that which is only befitting and he does not do something non-god. But really? Though, you as his creation can't even question his reasoning and infinite wisodm, I mean sure you can question but this god we speak of is beyond everything, so no analogy, logic or comprehension can encompass him. You will only see his way of justice when it's revealed for everyone and everyone would be content with that justice and would have no arguments whatsoever that's how convincing it is. For the matter, why "can't" or rather why doesn't he turn into two? But wait before that you have to understand logical fallacies and contradictions, (things of our human mind given by god to operate towards truth but these are not perfect beyond god)
So we say god is the ultimate reality, the only real one, the absolute truth and who encompass all things that are and all things that are not.
So his will is the absolute reality and only his will dictates what happens or what manifests in existence, no other Authority, he has No level of accountability, he does whatever wills but accordingly with his own willing attributes and principles.
So if this god willed to be two as we understand it,
That would be like this:
So if two such gods happened to be with independent with his own will, all-encompassing, infinite and having absolute control of everything and beyond that.
And where There is no condition that those two must conform with one another they are their own infinitely encompassing beings having their own not limited by anything at all will after all. Can you see the problem yet?
None of these two is inferior or superior but both absolute? But you will see that the true absolute by definition without exception must be one. So if one of these two gods' wills didn't agree what happenes? Boom! Surprise! Nothing anymore!
Actually, you know what? None of them were really this God that we had in mind initially, They both limit eachother, so if one absolute god wants that the other dissapears or his will doesn't work by definition it has to happen anyways and by definition that other absoulte god cannot be overpowered with someone else's will, so his will also stops the other one's will and this will shall also be stopped by the other then that should be stopped by the other? Wait, what? Nothing really makes sense then? Everything and nothing cannot happen while it is trying to happen forever by whom, what? who is the incharge of all existence here?
Now you see it? Logic fallacy, Self-contradiction, Paradoxes, Do you see all of it now? Not to say these limit God but he made these to see how his reality works. Well, wait! We can say they have their own respective realities where there will is absolute and then? they don't interfere with eachother or can't?
So yeah what then? Look! how many dimensions, parallel realities, Realms of being and Multiverses you bring up
We had this established in our definition first that all of this works as God the only absolute wants, his will dictates if they can exist or not and then his will also dictates how would these functions, it all has to be in his without exception he will encompass all this infinite business, nothing else no matter logic-reason, finity and INFINITY, none would encompass him.
So having two gods with two realities that each can operate in only their reality means Then there is no absolute god there who has ultimate authority and absolute will of all that is which includes all realities and all that which is not or has potential of but not manifest and there can't be two such fundamental realities then there has to be a superior reality behind them, you see? This would again lead to the Infinite Regression Fallacy or Paradox which suggests Nothing could've ever come into being to begin with! it is this motto "NOTHING IS!" and so that aims to render your current experience as unreal, will you say that also?
Language and logic has been given to humans so that they can function without going insane and so that they tend towards the truth with those by their given inherently curious nature.
And that also means linguistic contradictions and fallacies would be also deemed as they way of showing the way to the true reality of his. You cannot just say that if a is possible and b is possible where and b are contradictory or opposite in nature then postulate that a and b both are simultaneously possible (Like if turning a car right is possible and turning a car left is also possible by you then turning a car left and right simultaneously at the same time must also be possible by you since both of the acts involved are things you could do individually which is wrong, this would have worked if a and b weren't contradictory of each other you can walk and eat at the same time but you cannot walk and sprint at the same time). Some doubts and questions of humans fail to become a question by being invalid in their linguistic constitution to begin with. So you cannot just act like here I have a sentence "Can God create a rock that he cannot himself lift given that he is capable of everything?" And then say " Here! I stopped God from getting to be true" as if you are the one limiting him and defining his nature here with your also limited inefficient tool of language that He God created and people do all this without realising that you are the one here being limited you are the one being defined of your nature by some superior force
This just isn't how language works, this sentence ontologically doesn't have any existence in linguistics.
So should all these people have the hold of authority for concluding the matter of God's Existence or his nature? Should you be depending your belief on what people have chosen and established for them as to believe even if that is your family?. No rather get your OWN brain, mind or spiritual tendency with judgement and Intuition of truth to start working for having the decision. You had been given those with a purpose.
@@amatussalamkaosar7207 You've just restated the original argument. The problem is you're wading through an epistemic minefield making confident assertions about absolutism and perfection without any basis; reaffirming the efficacy of logic and language is simply doubling down on our epistemology and tells us nothing about God's existence. Rather, we find ourselves exploring our epistemic processes and then fashioning from them assertions about God (independently of our experienced reality). These arguments don't disprove God, neither do they prove God; this is casuistry. And you risk (I say risk, but I like stories too, and they can be benign) falling into anthropomorphic theologies.
Don't get me wrong, these are fascinating subjects (just ask Frege, Russell and Wittgenstein), but the problem here is not logical fallacies and language paradoxes, it's presupposition. The argument proceeds from an a priori of God's existence. This is why you can make statements like 'language and logic were given to us' without seeing any problem with that statement, when really this is the meat of the problem, and it's being glossed over. Your (good examples) of linguistic contradictions are the same as apologetics which pose questions like, "who created the creation?" Once you get past language (logic being a type of syntax of language in this argument: arguably nothing in reality points to one supreme God) you're not left with much to work with. It's most probable these are all just stories we tell ourselves.
When you presuppose, 'God exists, therefore . . .', you've already raced ahead of the argument and are just preaching to people who have bought into the same stories you have. Everything that follows teeters precariously on a presupposition.
@@kurremkarmerruk8718 Brother, I love how you presented your point. And I'm surely not one to be able to present one against it as perhaps you are an individual who is superior of knowledge than me (doesn't matter the kind) while that position holds true for me, I would just like to point out that in fact nothing then is without pressumptions, priori, proposition or axioms in mathematical terminology, whatever you call it nothing IS without dependece on those, even if not the first or the most basic but among them is the presumption of anything's existence, being real at all. If you define the experience of your being as true based on your subjective experience does it really have a profound ground? Yet don't you like to assume that you are here and so are things around you or do you not? If we didn't act upon that first one nothing really makes sense then at least from our perspective. Do you really want to say There exists nothing while the first proof for it comes from within yourself, without out which all of science is unprovable. The first hidden line of any assertion is "If we assume," and as humans our fundamental assumption is "If we assume that as I'm currently thinking, I'm existent and perceiving and if I hold that able of deciding on the existence of other materials around me as true as well then...." (And well who is to say that the first line that I'm thinking is true, am I thinking these as write this comment? Jeez man what a dilemma, right? or not?) So and such a list of such postulates are behind everything we do, know, believe and experience. Finally, I want to say that I'm not one qualified of argument with you in this matter. So you can accuse me of being satisfied with personal conviction at the end of the day all of which only fundamentally is arising from subjective judgements. Society couldn't have been born if we didn't take the first step of concious action based on this subjective experience without caring too much about the validity of supposed reality behind it. Thank you for your insights. I guess then we won't ever know what is real and the why behind all things even after we die according to your worldview or rather say the general worldview of this era. But according to my worldview, we would get to know and all matters should've been settled with in the end, nothing will reamin in the logical dilemmas and nothing will remain undone, unsatisfied, unanswered or unjustified, maybe even unknown? (Of course that view is with priories). Then I guess we will able to see which one of us is siding with the truth only in my case while in your case if it is true it will remain forever unacknowledged by me when I'm in the abyss of non-existence after my death. But just as the general worldview I was talking about goes, does that really matter for what I acknowledge or not? So Peace! (Lol When it only matters assuming so and so and so matters with the tool of subjective experience only, what is that event?)
@@amatussalamkaosar7207 No no, you're more than qualified: all you need is curiosity, and you clearly have a perceptive mind. I agree with you. You've put the problem nicely. We find ourselves in this curious position, not at the beginning, not at the end, but most assuredly -- as much as we can be sure of anything -- in a position. And how? Are we passive recipients of information? Or are we actively making information ourselves and nothing exists? Or is information part of a complex dialectic in which our conscious mind operates and is operated upon (by) sensual (or other) data to create a unique, limited perspective in the universe?
Epistemology explores what information there is, what effect it has and how we use it, and we can come to an understanding about our beliefs (at the very least, as they relate to us) through careful analysis of our framing and influences. Information can be characterised into different qualia from various sources. Some is considered more reliable, some not, and we can establish whether some information holds more objective truth or subjective. A great example you mentioned is the idea that when we personally die, a powerful, far reaching balancing takes place in the universe, where it is determined what was just and fair, and the wrongs we experienced while alive are, at the very end, righted, neatly completing our existence; that is, if our life isn't already a completed circle, determined for us by an outside force, and we're simply at one point, experiencing what has already happened. We can look around and find examples to disprove and prove this idea. I sat with my grandad as he explained, decades after the fact, how he felt inexplicable despair a week before his four year old girl died in a motorcycle accident, and I told him how I dreamed, days before my mother took her own life, about her body in a coffin with rays of golden light pouring onto her from above. We all experience a coming together of order in the world around us, and also the chaos of entropy; we see the cruel indifference of the natural world; we feel our own indifference -- god, don't we feel it shamefully -- to the suffering we see in others; we have trembled in the dark pit of helplessness: and so we know the opposites, we know what the ultimate good must be like. We have patterns that inform our thinking on this. But we also have increasingly complex understanding about our emotions and values, the way chemicals alter our brains and how our brains alter our perception of the extant universe around us and interpret its operations upon us. We know how slippery knowledge can be. And we have to suspect our ego in believing anything conforms to our mind rather than our mind having to conform to everything else. We have Freud to thank for this new plane of anxiety, and Freud spent his time translating Shakespeare, reading these stories and characters we'd been telling ourselves about for hundreds of years into the world around him, and rediscovering them as "truths."
People of conviction are often the bravest, most powerful people there can be: world-altering heroes. To stride forward with confidence is brave; to do it when you know you're blind is braver. This is why Mohammed is considered one of the greatest men to have lived. But I personally think the bravest thing to do is to recognise our subjectivity and test ourselves. To be afraid of where we might end up, but stepping forward on shaking legs; to be afraid of annihilating ourselves in the process but fighting heroically and craftily against the damage we might suffer; to celebrate our subjective power in making beautiful and good meanings from the information we forge; maybe even uncovering objective truths to share with others. But this does mean that weak claims and fragile epistemic positions get shaken to pieces in the process. Some truths, like atomic time, are everywhere whisking you along with an irresistible force, while others collapse under the weight of a thousand scrutinies and are swept as fragments into the eddies of our innermost minds, broken but never to be destroyed, or at some time, lost and forgotten.
Christianity is only following ancient Greek beliefs in respect to God and The Parthians in respect to the trinity. Christianity is a set of mythological beliefs of ancient peoples who had no clear understanding of God or the universe. The idea of the Eucharist, for instance, is copied from Mithraism, the pre-Zoroastrian religion of the Persians. Christianity is a mishmash of mythological beliefs and is polytheistic to the core. Islam on the other hand, is a monotheistic religion based on rational thought and the reality of the world.
I think you mean Pantheon of Gods. For example, Al Lah, Al Lat, Al Uzza and Manat was a pantheon of Gods. The Father (Allah swt), The Son (Kalimat Allah and the Holy Spirit (Ruh Allah) are not a pantheon but the persons of the one and only God.
Just because there are certain parallels between religions does not mean that one is copied from the other.
If that is the case Islam and the pre-Islamic pagan religions are the same.
1. Circumcision.
2. child marriage.
3. Premabulation around the Kaabah.
4. Haj pilgrimage.
5. Polygamy.
6. Allah like the pagan gods obsessed with sex.
7. Monotheism.
8. Animal Sacrifice.
9. The belief in God.
10. Salvation by works alone.
11. Predestination.
the list goes on and on.
@@fedesetrtatio1 You are right! In the case of Abrahamic religions, similarities are due to the message being issued from the same source, like the list of similar sets of beliefs that you have mentioned. But in the case of the Eucharist, no Abrahamic religion states anything of that nature! Or in the case of the trinity, the same thing applies. The Eucharist was most definitely a Mithraic rite and the trinity was practiced by the Parthians. The trinity of the Parthians comprised Ahura Mazda, Mithras, and Anahita. There is no precedence of these two anywhere in Abrahamic religions. A trinity is a pantheon, for if they all share the same traits equally, there would be three gods, and if one was above the other two, that would be no trinity.
@@venonparni Do you even know what the Holy Eucharist is? The holy Eucharist is the New blood atonement for the forgiveness of sin after the prophecy of the dying Messiah is fulfilled. The Hallmark of both Abrahamic faiths of Judaism and Christianity have blood atonement for the forgiveness of sins. If Islam does not have blood atonement for the forgiveness of sins then it is not an Abrahamic faith and Allah and Mohammad has lied to you.
You have a trinity in Islam too. Allah the Slave Master (swt) + Kalimat Allah (eternal word quan) + Ruh Allah (holy Spirit) shall we call it "the trinity of the Parthians too".
Do you know the difference between trinity and triad?
@@fedesetrtatio1 What you are saying is based on ancient Greek, Mithraic and other pagan ideas. If you consider yourself a monotheist, you should know that what Christianity says has no root in truth. There is only one God and He has not taken a partner, He has not been born, nor did he give birth. What you believe is has no element of truth in it and as such there is nothing holy about it. There is no trinity in Islam. God forbids this idea in the Quran and promises severe punishment for those who follow such ideas. Please have look at the following verses of the Quran just as my evidence:
The Quran, Chapter 19 (Maryam), Verses 88-90
88. They say: “ (God) Most Gracious Has begotten a son! ”
89. Indeed ye have put forth A thing most monstrous!
90. At it the skies are ready To burst, the earth To split asunder, and The mountains to fall down In utter ruin.
The Quran, Chapter 5, Al Ma'idah (the Table), verses 116-117:
116. And on Judgment Day˺ Allah will say, “O Jesus, son of Mary! Did you ever ask the people to worship you and your mother as gods besides Allah?” He will answer, “Glory be to You! How could I ever say what I had no right to say? If I had said such a thing, you would have certainly known it. You know what is ˹hidden˺ within me, but I do not know what is within You. Indeed, You alone are the Knower of all unseen.
117. I never told them anything except what You ordered me to say: “Worship Allah-my Lord and your Lord!” And I was witness over them as long as I remained among them. But when You took me, You were the Witness over them-and You are a Witness over all things.
The Quran, Chapter 5, Al Ma'idah (the Table), verses 17-18:
17. They disbelieve (believers from Christians) those who say, “God is the Christ, the son of Mary.” Say, “Who can prevent God, if He willed, from annihilating the Christ son of Mary, and his mother, and everyone on earth?” To God belongs the sovereignty of the heavens and the earth and what is between them. He creates whatever He wills, and God has power over everything.
The Quran, Chapter 5, Al Ma'idah (the Table), verse 73:
Those who say, “Allah is one in a Trinity,” have certainly fallen into disbelief. There is only One God. If they do not stop saying this, those who disbelieve among them will be afflicted with a painful punishment.
The word in Aramaic, the language spoken by Jesus Christ, for God is "Elah" which in Arabic also means "god" and when it takes the definite article in Arabic it becomes "Allah" or the True God. "There is no God but the True God".
@@venonparni said: What you are saying is based on ancient Greek, Mithraic and other pagan ideas ...........
Please clarify: What did I say that is based on pagan ideas.
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and after that, xtians will say it is "MYSTERY"
Past Humans tried to understand The Existence of The God with multiple Gods, and misled the message even the messenger, the true identity is only One God, and all of the other “Gods “are under his Authority and Kingdom, he is mentioned as Light Traits & Dark Traits as his costume ( Hijab ), meanwhile, the True God is the only One, The True Endless God has a Name. He waiting for all of mankind to find him, even in the light or in the darkness.
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This is a whole lot of bold assertions with nothing to back them up
Elhamdülillah for this video!
Also i have a question, what if we instead say that we for example have 2 gods which combined are fully allmighty all-knowing etc but one of them is half of these attributes and the other is the other half
They aren't all-powerful but using their force together they are able to create the entire universe just like an allmighty God
Maybe you could say that then they aren't gods because they are lacking but i wonder if there are any other problems with this concept that make it illogical
My initial idea was that they would actually be one God since assuming that their attributes are different and only one would then have the intelligence then separating them into two beings would make no sense but I don't know if I'm on the right track
And also what if two gods for example shared all mightiness
Ok so the main issue is you said they can unite and have enough power to create the universe.
God has absolute power, His power is not limited to creating the universe and it is not a quantity. It is complete. So these two entities uniting to get enough power means that their power is finite and limited. finite + finite =/= absolute. They can never have complete power because we already know their power is limited. Rationally that is where they are rejected from being God.
I think the reason you are having these questions is because your fundamentals are not solid yet. I reccomend you watch the playlist: Why Islam is True, by Basira Education.
It proves everything using rationality and logic. And will give you solid foundations. They also have a course you can get if you e-mail them which I heard is updated and even better.
when you have individual thinking and mindset and power then difference is inevitable and then those unite gods may differ in some case and ends up marvel infinity wars
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"God has absolute power"
- Explain how you arrived at this.
@@Russ--R it's in the definition. God is just a term used to denote one of two things:
1. The necessary existence upon which all other existence ultimately relies
or
2. The focus of someone's worship.
When these two definitions are taken as mutually inclusive, then you get monotheism.
If you want to know how we arrived at the necessary existence being all powerful, then again, it just comes down to understanding the definition. It's like asking how we arrived at a mammal being a vertebrate. We're just categorizing things.
How familiar are you with the concept of contingency?
@@sunwukong32
"it's in the definition."
- Which is man made. It's not even an observed desription, merely a hypothetical construct.
"1. The necessary existence upon which all other existence ultimately relies"
- Where are you getting this neccessity from ?
"2. The focus of someone's worship."
- Which is merely a subjective act.
"When these two definitions are taken as mutually inclusive, then you get monotheism."
- Not neccerily. It would be possible to worship a non-personal, deistic god.
"How familiar are you with the concept of contingency?"
- Very.
The contingency argument is lame but you theists still hang your hat on it.
Look, I get it. As a theist you feel that there's some entitlement for you to decide what is or isn't God, but if your God can't create a god, he's not all powerful. If two gods can't be identical, again, not all-powerful. If your god can't be three people.. more bad news. It's not about the value of your religion. It's simply how words work.
Thor , Odin and Zeus.
Al Lah, Al Lat, Al Uzza and Manat.
@@fedesetrtatio1 daughters of Allah !
God is independent of creation and God exists as three persons (not entities) who are inseparable. Christians don't believe in three gods who depend on eachother.
If you start using words made by humans (like the words person, essence, substance or trinity etc) to describe God then know that you are on the wrong path. God should be described by words He revealed through His messengers or His holy books, any word used to describe Him except through words He revealed will amounts to transgression towards His Holiness because we don't have the authority to use words He did not approve for Himself. Therefore the trinity cannot be right because to explain it you have to use words God did not approve for Himself.
Anchor bro, be Active bro, don't be dull
Trinity mentioned in Sura 2 173.
But al quran said it kafir ( those who unbelieve ) trinity not accept in islam
@@Bang_ALchannel explain me Sura 2 173. From it, I will show how your allah confirmed Trinity.
Interesting, why don't you post Surah 2:173 ?
@@1stPillar
I can post it but each translation gives different conditions!🤔
So, you may post the verse Sura 2 173 and explain.
@@SonOfChrist777 whatever translation is not quran
Quran is arabic
You're asserting that something must exist according to how you define "god">
Define "god" how you like, doesn't mean that it exists or that something else exists that isn't quite what you call god.
There is a Master God, who creates one god for each universe.
Prove me wrong.
@uthman2281
Well no one is saying god can't do something, he is not limited by any set parameter.
That's right But he by his will himself just fits his majesty, problem? He chooses to operate by Certain Principles, He is his own being that has intentionally and Perfect Conciousness after all? It shouldn't be surprising why does he do something that which is only befitting and he does not do something non-god. But really? Though, you as his creation can't even question his reasoning and infinite wisodm, I mean sure you can question but this god we speak of is beyond everything, so no analogy, logic or comprehension can encompass him. You will only see his way of justice when it's revealed for everyone and everyone would be content with that justice and would have no arguments whatsoever that's how convincing it is. For the matter, why "can't" or rather why doesn't he turn into two? But wait before that you have to understand logical fallacies and contradictions, (things of our human mind given by god to operate towards truth but these are not perfect beyond god)
So we say god is the ultimate reality, the only real one, the absolute truth and who encompass all things that are and all things that are not.
So his will is the absolute reality and only his will dictates what happens or what manifests in existence, no other Authority, he has No level of accountability, he does whatever he wills but accordingly with his own willing attributes and principles.
So if this god willed to be two as we understand it,
That would be like this:
So if two such gods happened to be with their respective independent own will, all-encompassing, infinite and having absolute control of everything and beyond that.
And where There is no condition that those two gods must conform with one another they are their own infinitely encompassing beings having their own will not limited by anything at all after all. Can you see the problem yet?
None of these two is inferior or superior but both absolute? But you will see that the true absolute by definition without exception must be one. So if one of these two gods' wills didn't agree what happenes? Boom! Surprise! Nothing anymore!
Actually, you know what? None of them were really this God that we had in mind initially, They both limit eachother, so if one absolute god wants that the other disappears or that the other god's will doesn't work by definition it has to happen anyways and by definition that other absoulte god cannot be overpowered with someone else's will, so his will also stops the other one's will and this will shall also be stopped by the other then that should be stopped by the other? Wait, what? Nothing really makes sense then? Everything and nothing cannot happen while it is trying to happen forever by whom, what? who is the incharge of all existence here?
Now you see it? Logical fallacy, Self-contradiction, Paradoxes, Do you see all of it now? Not to say these limit God but he made these to see how his reality works. Well, wait! We can say they have their own respective realities where their respective wills are absolute and then? they don't interfere with eachother or can't?
So yeah what then? Look! how many dimensions, parallel realities, Realms of being and Multiverses you bring up
We had this established in our definition first that all of these things work as God the only absolute wants, his will dictates if they can exist or not and then his will also dictates how would these functions, it all has to be in his without exception he will encompass all this infinite business, nothing else no matter logic-reason, finity and INFINITY, none would encompass him.
So having two gods with two realities that each can operate in only their reality means Then there is no absolute god there who has ultimate authority and absolute will of all that is which includes all realities and all that which is not or has potential of but not manifest and there can't be two such fundamental realities then there has to be a superior reality behind them, you see? This would again lead to the Infinite Regression Fallacy or Paradox which suggests Nothing could've ever come into being to begin with! it is this motto "NOTHING IS!" and so that aims to render your current experience as unreal, will you say that also?
Language and logic has been given to humans so that they can function without going insane and so that they tend towards the truth with those by their given inherently curious nature.
And that also means linguistic contradictions and fallacies would be also deemed as they way of showing the way to the true reality of his. You cannot just say that if a is possible and b is possible where a and b are contradictory or opposite in nature then postulate that a and b both are simultaneously possible (Like if turning a car right is possible and turning a car left is also possible by you then turning a car left and right simultaneously at the same time must also be possible by you since both of the acts involved are things you could do individually then why not both? which assumption is wrong, this would have worked if a and b weren't contradictory of each other like you can walk and eat at the same time but you cannot walk and sprint at the same time). Some doubts and questions of humans fail to become a question by being invalid in their linguistic constitution to begin with. So you cannot just act like here I have a sentence "Can God create a rock that he cannot himself lift given that he is capable of everything?" And then say " Here! I stopped God from getting to be true" as if you are the one limiting him and defining his nature here with your also limited inefficient tool of language that He God created and people do all this without realising that you are the one here being limited you are the one being defined of your nature and your tools by some superior force
This just isn't how language works, this sentence ontologically doesn't have any valid existence in linguistics.
So should all these people have the hold of authority for concluding the matter of God's Existence or his nature? Should you be depending your belief on what people have chosen and established for them as what to believe even if that is your family?. No rather get your OWN brain, mind or spiritual tendency with judgement and Intuition of truth to start working for having the decision. You had been given those with a purpose.
Okay Then why is the god of quran dependent on angels to convey message?
In Islam, Allah (God) is considered to be all-knowing and all-powerful, and is believed to have created the universe and everything in it. However, according to Islamic teachings, Allah has chosen to convey His messages to humanity through angels, rather than communicating directly with humans.
There are several reasons why Allah may need angels to convey His messages: this is the one I chooses for you.
humans are considered to be imperfect and fallible. So therefore humans may naturally enjoy there being angels conveying messages.(I couldn’t find the right word so I took enjoy but you can basically replace it with almost anything).
For angels existing it might be the same “enjoyment” for the idea of servants of god existing.
@@YeehawMister He said God is not dependent on anything. But Allah is dependent on Angels.
@@surendirenparthasarathy9087no he is not...God by definition is majestic....it's immajestic for him to come down to earth to convey his message
@@sabdulrahmanshaikh1621 that makes him dependent on Angels to deliver his message.
So how is he independent if he is dependent on Angels
@@surendirenparthasarathy9087The angels are dependent on God, not the other way around.
Is this a skit or is he trying to be serious?
They guy's an idiot.
I guess stupid people will believe him though.
what 's so unserious about it
@@hothdog
It doesn't debumnk multiple gods.
God cannot be created, he is unique and only 1
if you hear someone say about other Gods then know that, they are just guessing,
Allah responds to people when they call upon him, in different ways 1: Dreams, 2: Signs from life which you had asked for and some other ways which are so perfectly calculated that you won't believe that it was a sign or not.(Depends on your level of faith)
So the creator (god) created faulty beings who he then has to be forgiving towards? Why would a perfect creator have any need to create since having a need is a clear attribute of an imperfect being? Then he proceeds to create imperfect beings? Doesn't that say more about the creator than the creation?
Nope, that’s your point of view. God’s knowledge and wisdom is infinite. We need God, and through Him we attain success. Each and everything is His creation, including us. He is perfect. We are not faulty, we are made perfect as well, but our innate nature (fitrah) always leads towards worshipping One God. That’s what our purpose is. He commands, it’s done. We have limited knowledge, God is not limited.
@@Acevern it's my point view that a perfect being created imperfect creations? So what is your point of view? That God is not a perfect being? Or that he created perfect creations?
@@husainjshakir You cannot comprehend everything. God is perfect, all perfection belongs to Him alone. We are created perfectly by God. We need Him. How more simple should I make?
@@Acevern for beings created perfect, we do seem to be rather imperfect what with sins and threats of hellfire. You really do need to start with the definition of perfection before using the word. Will make for a better argument. Let's call it a more intellectual argument.
@@husainjshakir You don’t understand what I am saying. God is perfect, His creation is flawless. However, we as humans aren’t perfect. It might be difficult for you to understand this, but look into how perfectly universe is being held, how elements came to earth, how earth is only habitable planet, how it protects us from radiation, everything is perfect for our survival, our body, our functions, everything is flawless and works until our soul’s time is to depart. You don’t look very Muslim having a Muslim name.
The quran says that there are many Gods and Allah is one of them.
Starfollah. Stop saying idiotic things like that. Quran is only one god with 0 associates
That’s fundamental in Islam
@@Scrubik1 Did I say that the other gods were associates of Allah. But there is no denying that the Quran confirms that there are other Gods with Allah. For example, the Satanic Verses which is in your own hadiths. Mohammad bowed down in worship to Al Lat, Al uzza and Manat.
"The quran says" then it wouldn't be difficult to quote a verse. Go ahead and quote it if you're telling the truth.
@@ionosstabib5242 It is amazing that you guys are not familiar with verses and yet you claim you have memorized the quran.
Read Surah Al-Mu’minun 23:14
Al-Mu'minun 23:14
ثُمَّ خَلَقۡنَا ٱلنُّطۡفَةَ عَلَقَةً فَخَلَقۡنَا ٱلۡعَلَقَةَ مُضۡغَةً فَخَلَقۡنَا ٱلۡمُضۡغَةَ عِظَٰمًا فَكَسَوۡنَا ٱلۡعِظَٰمَ لَحۡمًا ثُمَّ أَنشَأۡنَٰهُ خَلۡقًا ءَاخَرَۚ فَتَبَارَكَ ٱللَّهُ أَحۡسَنُ ٱلۡخَٰلِقِينَ
Then We made the sperm-drop into a clinging clot, and We made the clot into a lump [of flesh], and We made [from] the lump, bones, and We covered the bones with flesh; then We developed him into another creation. So blessed is Allah, the best of creators.
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I don’t see where any of the Arab pagan gods are mentioned
I genuinely find these conversations very funny 🤣.... it's like two kids fighting between Marvel and DC and trying to prove which IMAGINARY character is better . And without even a single objective truth mind...and why would they provide it when they can just "Believe".
Same as unbelieving these topic withouth any prove to deny it, but worser.
@@BahanbakarSubsidi Because that's not how the scientific process works.
Here's a brief introduction: When a person has a hypothesis, the hypothesis here being the 'existence of god' ... The onus of proof lies on the person who came up with the hypothesis and not on the people who reviewing it
But in case of religion people are just told to believe an articles written by someone without that said someone providing a single shred of evidence.. and not only that they go a step further and say
'not only does God exist, only my version of God is truth and everyone else is bullshit and I still won't provide a shred of proof for this as well '
If you were a man of science you would realise this but I'm guessing you are not
@@saptarshidas2155 You reviewing int? Nah you deny it completely and sadly withouth bring any proof to deny it.
@@BahanbakarSubsidi what are you saying bro.... The process of reviewing means to assess the validity of evidence provided in defence of hypothesis made.... When they don't provide any evidence to begin with how can you even consider it as an option
Again it is not my job as someone reviewing it to provide evidence against it, it is job of the people preaching the religion to provide evidence for its existence
If you don't understand the scientific process please educate yourself
@@saptarshidas2155 Nah you just make fun of "anyone who believe something" based of your assumption, and indeed your asumption is just asumption, no proof no base.
He is mistaken because he does not know the scriptures. But the trinity Christians are also wrong because God is not a trinity. He is one, He is the Holy Spirit. As our Creator we call Him Father. But He also has a Son Who came from Him and is part of Him. He gave that Son a body so that we could see Him, both on earth and in heaven.
Jesus sits right next to the Father on one throne because they are one. To understand this you need to read the HEBREW word “one” which which is “echad” and it is used to describe 2 who are one.
In the scripture when God created man and women, it says that a man will leave parents and be joined to his wife, and the 2 shall be 1 flesh. The word there is “echad”. They are still 2 beings but God says they are 1 flesh in His eyes.
That is how we are to understand God as well: the Father and Son are 1 Spirit even though you can see Him as 2 beings..
When God says “Hear o Israel Yahuah your God is one” it uses the word “echad” - same word used for Adam and Eve. These are the ONLY two places where this word is used. Everywhere else a different word is used to say the number 1.
And we have prophets in scripture who were given a vision of heaven and saw both the Father and the Son next to Him: Enoch, Daniel, David and Stephen. They saw Him and were told by angels that He is called “The Son of Man” as a title. Jesus called Himself The Son of Man and said He was with the Father in heaven and came down to tell us His word and instructions and to tell us to repent and return to God.
We may not understand it but this is what Holy Scripture teaches.
If you are not sure what to believe simply ask God to show you. Sincerely call on Him and say “ God please show me who you really are so that I may know the truth “ and He will show you.
Jesus the creator. Hebrews 1
1 God, but 3 persons so no multiple gods.
3 persons... So no God?
If its 3 person, its 3 person, not 1. So if its 3 person, its multiple god
Like a 3 headed dog called Cerberus? 😂
@@coldfusions1572 I think it more like Hindu's devas, they have that one Rama's opponent who has like thousands of heads tho 🤔
Much more impressive imho 😎
Did you listen to his argument? it seems to me that you didn't understand, 3 persons or what ever you say what is important is the they have 3 separate wills and clearly the Father has the full authority over the other two and they depend on Him so He is the only true God.
Allah has 2 right hands and a shin.
@@mikeg1772 methaforic not literally
@Bang_ALchannel where does it say that methaforic. Lol. I've seen videos of sheikh talking about allah having 2 right hands and a shin. And also fingers.
@@mikeg1772 no body has ever seen Allah
@@mikeg1772 Alloh is not a human
@@Bang_ALchannel allah doesn't have a spirit. But allah has body parts.
Mohammed's "the god" (that is all that allah means) is NOT the GOD of the Christian and Hebrew Bible and Mohammed’s “the god” is not the GOD of Abraham. How do we know. First of all the Christian and Hebrew GOD calls HIMSELF our Father in heaven (Isaiah 63:16 ESV, Matthew 6:9-13). Mohammed's "the god" says he is the Father of no-one. (surah 112:3-4 and Surah 19:92) Mohammed's "the god" commanded Mohammed to bow down in worship to a shrine dedicated to the worship of 360 pagan idol gods (that is the Kaaba btw), something our GOD of the Bible would never do. ( 2 Chronicles 36:15-23). Mohammed's "the god" calls himself the best deceiver and our GOD of the Bible tells us that HE never lies. So three reasons why Mohammed's "the god" cannot be our GOD of the Bible.
If anybody truly understood the Word of God , The Bible , the Lord Jesus Christ , one will know that there is only one God .'
It is one God taking three different attributes .
Unlike other religions Christians don't put a limit on God's powers and say that he can't take three different attributes at one and the same time .
WE believe in a God with limitless powers and not put the limiting powers of man on Him .
Who dose put the limiting power of man? it's you, the problem is that trinity has problems, no matter how you look at it, why do you insist on putting God in three, the problem is that you accept that God can become a man, and this may cause you to follow the antichrist instead of Christ in his second coming, we believe that Jesus (pbuh) when he will come again he will be with Muslims and he will declare himself as a prophet of God, and when Christians with this believe of the trinity will hear that I think most of them they will not accept it and they will say that he is the antichrist, and they will wait for their "christ" who will be non but the antichrist, and of course he will say to you that he is the Son of God and God because he is the biggest of liars, so of course he will not say what he is instead he will match the believe of anyone to make them follow him, I know that you don't believe in that but just imagine if that scenario is true, what will be your protection against it? especially that he will be able to do a lot of "miracles" for example, he will tell sky to rain and it will rain, he will tell it to stop it will stop, he will tell the plaints to grow they will grow, I think in a hadith he will have two angles with him (if you want I will find it for you), so he will be the biggest test for all of us may Allah protect us from his trial, Alhamdulillah for us Muslims it will be easier inchallah because everything is clear so anyone that says he has any form of divinity (God/Son of God) or an other prophet other than Jesus (pbuh), he is the biggest liar, simple as that.
@@khalidxlam
You don't understnd and will never understand because you don't open your mind to the fact that the one Single God is many things , not one single entity who can't be everywhere all the time .
Before seeking God from religions, its clear that among the so many religions having their own concept of God, you would think each individual religions all must claim different gods so none have the virtue of being specially true. That's fair to think though until you are not familiar with each one's concept.
So the god that i will just advice you to find out and seek and believe in is that essential and ultimate necessary existence who is the ultimate reality the originator of all things. He is like himself not any other. He does not procreate or nothing divides from him because he is indivisible and nor was he procreated from something. He is alone the highest the ultimate, he is Capable of everything. Having absolute will. He is beyond all physicality, spirituality, metaphiscality, all realities, all existence rather all those are manifestations of his will. He is the absolute one above all. Only and truly one in his fundamentality. no parts, no peers, self-sufficient, eternal beyond all concepts of space and time rather all dimensions are there because he wanted and the way he wanted them to be they are. there is nothing over him but rather he overpowers and encompasses all there is, there isn't, there was, there is to be , there could be and beyond, he is the master, the initiator the sustainer of all realms, all fundamental laws and reason and mathematics postulates which are not by their own but caused by this ultimate will, he sets the physical and logic laws accordingly , he makes ultimate sense and does absolute justice, he is pure in his essence and not corrupt, he is the initiator and cause behind all, matter and energy doesn't come without will rather it is him the ultimate the absolute the all able who brought them from nothing, he is the creator so he creates yet he needs none rather all needs him, his knowledge encompasses everything because HE IS the reality, the ultimate reality the inevitable truth. Nothing is beyond him, he is beyond everything, Space and Time are his creations, he is not contained by finite parameters he is infinite and beyond and this ultimate entity has intentionality and will, he is the ultimate conciousness the perfectly sentient the perfectly living, living eternally free from the concept of time with what it gives of begining and end he is without them rather all those concepts are by his will. He is the originator of all concepts all minds, all conciousness he is the absolute one self, all humans are not but conscious because he gave them that energy by his will not from his as part rather the soul is a masterpiece of his also by his majesty's absolute will. And then becomes the question of his will with your being sentinent to know him. Your purpose or mission in this set boundless reality he has placed you and surely that's not for you to be lost in insignificance.
There is no question and no inquiry of cause and reason beyond his will rather there is always infinite wisdom behind each of his wills. No one can hold him accountable rather he holds accountable the beings that he gave the burden and responsibility with sentience and morality. all that not in vain rather it is out of profound truth, justice and wisdom which in turn you will realize for one who is capable of all things. choosing the way that you safely are and the way you and existence thrives cannot be but from his benevolence.
That which he wills must be and does become inevitably without question, there is no otherwise because its being itself is without question because of its essentiality behind all potential of questions
After all that said and established as the basis it becomes your journey to truth.
I choose islam because its the only religion out there that give purely this very same basis. islam gave me this resolution and that resonated deep within me for this concept that i held and onwards from this concept of god every other thing of this religion is built and accompanied with logic. If you want know about specifics of this religion surely i have no justified knowledge but i would try to give you the pure islamic idea (not non-muslim media biased) that should make sense to you about the thing that you are curious and indeed the ultimately real truth of existence really is enthralling.
When it comes to proofs there are countless for this kind of creator, its not non-sensical, mythical stuff
Rather the ultimate proof of this lies in your self ability of deep thought. your intuition can make it to this conviction on its self.
@uthman2281
Well no one is saying god can't do something, he is not limited by any set parameter.
That's right But he by his will himself just fits his majesty, problem? He chooses to operate by Certain Principles, He is his own being that has intentionally and Perfect Conciousness after all? It shouldn't be surprising why does he do something that which is only befitting and he does not do something non-god. But really? Though, you as his creation can't even question his reasoning and infinite wisodm, I mean sure you can question but this god we speak of is beyond everything, so no analogy, logic or comprehension can encompass him. You will only see his way of justice when it's revealed for everyone and everyone would be content with that justice and would have no arguments whatsoever that's how convincing it is. For the matter, why "can't" or rather why doesn't he turn into two? But wait before that you have to understand logical fallacies and contradictions, (things of our human mind given by god to operate towards truth but these are not perfect beyond god)
So we say god is the ultimate reality, the only real one, the absolute truth and who encompass all things that are and all things that are not.
So his will is the absolute reality and only his will dictates what happens or what manifests in existence, no other Authority, he has No level of accountability, he does whatever wills but accordingly with his own willing attributes and principles.
So if this god willed to be two as we understand it,
That would be like this:
So if two such gods happened to be with independent with his own will, all-encompassing, infinite and having absolute control of everything and beyond that.
And where There is no condition that those two must conform with one another they are their own infinitely encompassing beings having their own not limited by anything at all will after all. Can you see the problem yet?
None of these two is inferior or superior but both absolute? But you will see that the true absolute by definition without exception must be one. So if one of these two gods' wills didn't agree what happenes? Boom! Surprise! Nothing anymore!
Actually, you know what? None of them were really this God that we had in mind initially, They both limit eachother, so if one absolute god wants that the other dissapears or his will doesn't work by definition it has to happen anyways and by definition that other absoulte god cannot be overpowered with someone else's will, so his will also stops the other one's will and this will shall also be stopped by the other then that should be stopped by the other? Wait, what? Nothing really makes sense then? Everything and nothing cannot happen while it is trying to happen forever by whom, what? who is the incharge of all existence here?
Now you see it? Logic fallacy, Self-contradiction, Paradoxes, Do you see all of it now? Not to say these limit God but he made these to see how his reality works. Well, wait! We can say they have their own respective realities where there will is absolute and then? they don't interfere with eachother or can't?
So yeah what then? Look! how many dimensions, parallel realities, Realms of being and Multiverses you bring up
We had this established in our definition first that all of this works as God the only absolute wants, his will dictates if they can exist or not and then his will also dictates how would these functions, it all has to be in his without exception he will encompass all this infinite business, nothing else no matter logic-reason, finity and INFINITY, none would encompass him.
So having two gods with two realities that each can operate in only their reality means Then there is no absolute god there who has ultimate authority and absolute will of all that is which includes all realities and all that which is not or has potential of but not manifest and there can't be two such fundamental realities then there has to be a superior reality behind them, you see? This would again lead to the Infinite Regression Fallacy or Paradox which suggests Nothing could've ever come into being to begin with! it is this motto "NOTHING IS!" and so that aims to render your current experience as unreal, will you say that also?
Language and logic has been given to humans so that they can function without going insane and so that they tend towards the truth with those by their given inherently curious nature.
And that also means linguistic contradictions and fallacies would be also deemed as they way of showing the way to the true reality of his. You cannot just say that if a is possible and b is possible where and b are contradictory or opposite in nature then postulate that a and b both are simultaneously possible (Like if turning a car right is possible and turning a car left is also possible by you then turning a car left and right simultaneously at the same time must also be possible by you since both of the acts involved are things you could do individually which is wrong, this would have worked if a and b weren't contradictory of each other you can walk and eat at the same time but you cannot walk and sprint at the same time). Some doubts and questions of humans fail to become a question by being invalid in their linguistic constitution to begin with. So you cannot just act like here I have a sentence "Can God create a rock that he cannot himself lift given that he is capable of everything?" And then say " Here! I stopped God from getting to be true" as if you are the one limiting him and defining his nature here with your also limited inefficient tool of language that He God created and people do all this without realising that you are the one here being limited you are the one being defined of your nature by some superior force
This just isn't how language works, this sentence ontologically doesn't have any existence in linguistics.
So should all these people have the hold of authority for concluding the matter of God's Existence or his nature? Should you be depending your belief on what people have chosen and established for them as to believe even if that is your family?. No rather get your OWN brain, mind or spiritual tendency with judgement and Intuition of truth to start working for having the decision. You had been given those with a purpose.
1. So this god that we speak of as ALLAH ins Islam is that essential and ultimate necessary existence who is the ultimate reality the originator of all things. He is like himself not any other. He does not procreate or nothing divides from him because he is indivisible and nor was he procreated from something. He is alone the highest the ultimate, he is Capable of everything. Having absolute will. He is beyond all physicality, spirituality, metaphiscality, all realities, all existence rather all those are manifestations of his will. He is the absolute one above all. Only and truly one in his fundamentality. no parts, no peers, self-sufficient, eternal beyond all concepts of space and time rather all dimensions are there because he wanted and the way he wanted them to be they are.
Much of the confusion unbelievers nowadays have directly stems from the faulty assumption that humanism is the highest truth. When you have utterly lost faith in heavenly teachings what difference does it make what others believe, and how they conceive of the Almighty? Humanism is a plague on human intellect and a demonic formulation of atheists. If you really believe that hurting or exploiting or stealing from others (for example) are not sufficiently condemned by the great world religions then you're mentally ill, not a pioneering philosopher.
There is Nothing "Great" in Any Religion. We Humans Have The Most Developed Brain. Subconsciously We All Know Enslaving Fellow Humans , Killing , Rape , Loot etc Are Wrong . Religions , Especially Islam Legitimized All These Evil Acts.
Allah comes down in the middle of the night to hear muslims prayers. So he comes down to hear the prayer. So allah cant hear muslims prayer from the first location ?
So hypothetically you’re seeing a friend across the hallway and want to greet them, so you walk up to them and say hi. Does this action of getting close to your friend to greet them automatically imply incapability from other greeting options? Like yelling out, waving, etc. Sometimes idk what you ppl are thinking when coming these conclusions then I remember u just thinking with hate.
@Marz-sd4ps allah does it every night. That means he can't hear muslims prayers in the first location. And need to come down to enter his creation to hear the prayers. Allah isn't all hearing.
@@mikeg1772 Hypothetically every time if you came across your friend you ran up to him to greet him face to face. Does taking this action every time automatically make you incapable of any other options greet him?? Or could it just be reasoning or meaning behind the action you chose to take every time?? Seriously you put out the info and you put out the conclusion/accusation, now it your turn to answer by connecting the 2. How does the info you provided come to this definitive conclusion??? Also want to add there is nothing like unto Allah in all His attributes, so His descending is not like the descening of any of His creatures. The descent is in a real sense but is not in a matter you could think of.
@Marz-sd4ps I can't keep tying about this over and over. Go and watch the videos of Ahmad the ex muslim and syrian. He brought this topic up about allah coming down in the middle of every night to hear your prayers. And not a single muslim could answer it.
@@mikeg1772 No!! You a misguided come learn from scholars first and get their evidences and make your own conclusions first.
This man is very silly.
So Mohammed's allah is not capable of sending his word to us as a human being and Mohammed's allah cannot eat or drink. So Mohammed's allah is no more god than an one pagan idol god as they are also all just one god, and they cannot send their word to us as a human being and they cannot eat or drink and they are only what some human decides they are, just like this guy had decided that his allah cannot be more than any pagan idol god.
islam teaches that God CAN'T be compared to anything, yet every time you try to debunk the trinity you always compare it to some creation... Yes, you can't say two cups as one because each one occupies different spaces, yet this analogy falls apart in the quantum level of this physical realm... let alone in the spiritual realm.
We NATURALLY use our hands to pick up an object, but when someone loses their arm they can learn to use other body parts to do the task. in this sense, we don't depend on our hands... the same can be said about the Trinity, each one has their own role, yet they're NOT dependent on each other. At the same time, we can't say each is INDEPENDENT of the other, because they are in essence the SAME entity, but UNLIKE our hands visibly attached to our body thus the body and hands are ONE entity, the same concept can't be applied to the trinity because the ONENESS NATURE of GOD'S CAN'T BE COMPARED TO ANYTHING.
I'm an atheist but the muslim argument against the Trinity is dumb.
If some god did exist, then it could exist in any way, shape, form or manner it so choses.
@@Russ--R that's the muslim double standards right there... they believe God is all mighty, but when it comes to the trinity suddenly they say God can't do this and that 🤦♂
For starters, you're misquoting the Qur'an. A better translation of the message would be that nothing is comparable to Allah ﷻ, not the other way around. It is a statement about His uniqueness, not a ban on metaphors, analogies, or logic.
Secondly, you're misunderstanding the Islamic position completely. Put Christianity vs Islam aside for a moment if you'll indulge me.
Based upon what both of our faiths agree on, which option is God capable of:
A) Making a mistake
B) Creating life
C) Ceasing to exist
D) All of the above
Not a trick question, just trying to help clarify our position so you can avoid strawmanning us.
@@sunwukong32 :-
For starters, you're misquoting the Qur'an......."
This Problem of Misquoting Arises Because Allah Revealed The Quran in Just One Language . He Failed To See The Problem . He Could Have Easily Avoided This Problem By Revealing Quran "Simultaneously" in All Languages . See? Solution Was Simple . But Your God Unnecessarily Made Simple Things So Complicated . 😃
@@srnp0007 I don't have the time or energy to dissect all the presupps you loaded into that argument.
When you create your own universe ex-nihilo, then you can run it however you see fit. But as it stands, your disapproval of something in this universe is not an indication that the thing is wrong. It's just an opinion that I didn't ask for.
Ridiculous 🙃
Provide 7th Century Historical evidence for the following 👍
1. Provide 7th Century historical and archaeological evidence for even a town or a village called Mecca in the Hijaz in the 6th and 7th Century.
2. Provide 6th/7th Century evidence for the following;
A. Inscriptions, texts artefacts, coins etc., for your Mohammed of Islam
B. An Islamic Quran with a 114 Surahs which matches the one of the current Qurans
C. Why does the literal translation of 48:24 not say Mecca?
D. Provide Archaeological evidence for the battle of the Trench.
E. Provide 7th Century Evidence for Jews in the area of Mecca and Medina
5. Explain why the Mecca in the Hijaz was not on any map until 900
6. Explain why there are no 7th Century records of Mecca in the surrounding Kingdoms, especially as you claim it to be the oldest city in the world!!
7. Explain why the Arab coins from the 640’s onwards had Christian symbols on them
8. Explain why there is no historical evidence for the so called rightly guided caliphs
9. Explain why the Qurans talk about the Southern Levant and not Mecca👍
can you provide these evidences for Jesus Christ pbuh or moses pbuh ? we even have the Quran which corban dated upto 7th century ,
@@rajababy2009
There were No Islamic Quran in the 7th century 😂
Possibly in the late 8th or early 8th centuries.
Just answer my questions instead of deflecting, and btw you call Jesus Isa, that alone should tell how fraudulent Islam is!
@@simonhengle8316 well i give you answer the Quran found in Birmingham is the proof , Saana Quran , Top Kopi Quran and many things related to that time are also exist in topkopi Museaum , you can search as well and now your turn give the same proofs for Jesus Christ pbuh and bible written during Jesus Christ pbuh
@@rajababy2009
Not those again 🙄
Birmingham Text
Birmingham text is only two pieces of paper, front and back.
It only has 33 texts compared to the Hafs 6,236 versus (0.53% of the Quran), and the suras are somewhat incomplete and have textual variations, verse numbering problems.
Three Scholars on the Birmingham text;
Efin Rezvan (Russian scholar), was asked to do a lecture on the text by Birmingham University in 2015;
“Birmingham Fragments show several textual variants as well as verse numbering differences.”
“The very early dating of all these fragments-before the reign of Uthman-casts doubt on *both the Islamic tradition” *refer to the next section
“The fact the that the folios were kept for centuries in an iron box, underground can partly explain the early radiocarbon dating”
“Parchment was an expensive material (the skin of an entire animal was used to produce the big folio). Monastic and state scriptoria, located on the territory of Greater Syria, Antiochia, al Hira and Alexandria areas, could store this valuable material (including the donations of the pious laity). These stocks became part of the loot captured by the Arabs in the first years of the conquest. Captured leaves were used for writing the Quran.”
Conclusion; is that we cannot know when the writing took place as the carbon dating only gives a time line to the animal skin, not the writing, and the parchments were written on at a much later date.
Emilio Platti; “pointing out differences to the Sana codex-unquestionably the oldest manuscript (705), which therefore means that this Birmingham fragment is subsequent to the oldest manuscript (Sana).”
Dr. Jay Smith; the verses found on the Birmingham text pre-date Islam, examples and are plagiarised stories;
Sura 18:17-31; = the 7 sleepers of Ephesus (Metaphrastes & Surag 521 A.D.)
Sura 19: 91-98 = Proto Evangelium of James (145 A.D.)
Sura 20: 1-40 = the story of Moses (1400 B.C.)
None of the verses cover Mohammed, Medina, or Mecca, and there is nothing to do with the Caliphs.
@@rajababy2009
Sana Quran
A. The earliest known Quranic manuscript is the Sana’a Quran (Palimpsest) in Yemen, and is incomplete, the lower text has only 18 suras, whilst the upper text has only 38 suras (there should be 114 suras). The Lower text has 63 verses with 70 variants, and of course the upper verses have many variants to the Cairo/Hafs Quran as well.
B. It jumps from Sura 19 to Sura 22 (assumed date is 705), you then find sura 20 on the left-hand page and that is a later script added 60-70 years later.
C. Dr. Gerd Puin on the Sana
i. The original texts had been washed off and written over with new texts. Puin believes that the lower (washed off) older text is evidence of a non-canonical Quran.
ii. “Oldest parchments and papers of any Quranic Mushaf”
iii. “Yet more than half of the text is ambiguous letters which need diacritical marks for understanding. Adding vowels help correct mistakes. Changes in orthography are found in geographical tradition schools”. As a consequence, individual words can have up to 30 different meanings, and that it was not handed down word for word.
iv. The difference between the Sana Quran and the Cairo (Hafs) Quran is startling. On the Quran Puin had this to say in an article in 1999 Atlantic Monthly; “My idea is that the Koran is a kind of cocktail of texts that were not all understood even at the time of Muhammad. Many of them may even be a hundred years older than Islam itself.
Sooooooo close, you just need to minus one more fictional deity and you're back in reality. Believing in one "god" doesn't make that god true. Plenty of First Nations tribes believe in one single god, never heard of yours (allah and Islam ain't universal); and plenty other monotheistic religions in Africa and throughout the Old World. Nothing unique about that.
Perhaps you know nothing about the Qur'an. It tells us that God has sent prophets to many nations. So you shouldn't be surprised if you find monotheistic beliefs around the world. The prophets named in the Qur'an are the ones that were known to the Arabs 1400 years ago.
Your unsubstantiated opinion has been duly noted 🚮
@@sparephone8228 :-
According To Quran What Is The Definition of "Nation" ?
Secondly All 25 Prophets/Messengers , Mentioned in The Quran Were "Jews" . Except Mohammad.
Plus They All Belonged To Present Day Israel .
"Monotheism" is A Matter of Commonsense . How Many Countries You Know Had/Have More Than One Presidents , Prime Ministers or Kings ??
@@srnp0007 Ibrahim was not a Jew. The Qur’aan also mentions Ishmail, Idris, Salah and other Arab prophets. The Persians had a prophet Zoroaster. Polytheism was the norm in most parts of the world, though Buddhists do not believe in a deity.
@@sparephone8228 LMAO, First of all none of the First Nation religion resemble the Abrahamic god in any way or form... Your fictional god did not send any prophets to the Americas.
Second if your God was able to send a prophet that could create a stupid book that was non corruptible for the Quran, why the F--- did he not do that for every other prophet? Your god allowed those other prophets' message to become corrupt or was incapable of not allowing them to become corrupt? Sounds like BS either way you slice it. Malicious gaslighter or incompetent non-omnipotent. You just happen to follow the one religious sect that happened not to become corrupted. Yeah, heard that 10000000000000's of times from every other religious cult.
So if God created everything but we as people cant know god, how can people recive the word of god if they cant know him. how could mohammed talk about god if he himself was not like god in some way. if mohammed did not have som relation to god and therefore be somewhat like him, he could not have recived any teachings of god.
God communicates to us in a way that makes sense to us, using people like ourselves.
@@wisdomattics but if mohammed was a true profet of god then he would have gods energies even though he is seprate he still is like god in some way.
christians proclaim that god the father came first, but jesus is in essence like god. son of god.
@@mfling4446 Prophet Muhammad pbuh was Gods creation, a human being like ourselves, that's it. Just like all other prophets were human beings, they all ate food and used the bathroom.
@@wisdomattics but he must have shared some resemblence to god otherwise how Can he know what god likes.
@@mfling4446Did Moses have “god energies”?
This guy is a logical teacup. What a stupid argument to make: "There is only one God so there can be only one god.."😂
Nuh uh. It was not said in the initial definition of God that he has to be one. It was just the attributes of Independence and absoluteness over all things. Then we supposed say there are two gods then logically have shown wait there can't be two or more. There has to be one
Before seeking God from religions, its clear that among the so many religions having their own concept of God, you would think each individual religions all must claim different gods so none have the virtue of being specially true. That's fair to think though until you are not familiar with each one's concept.
So the god that i will just advice you to find out and seek and believe in is that essential and ultimate necessary existence who is the ultimate reality the originator of all things. He is like himself not any other. He does not procreate or nothing divides from him because he is indivisible and nor was he procreated from something. He is alone the highest the ultimate, he is Capable of everything. Having absolute will. He is beyond all physicality, spirituality, metaphiscality, all realities, all existence rather all those are manifestations of his will. He is the absolute one above all. Only and truly one in his fundamentality. no parts, no peers, self-sufficient, eternal beyond all concepts of space and time rather all dimensions are there because he wanted and the way he wanted them to be they are. there is nothing over him but rather he overpowers and encompasses all there is, there isn't, there was, there is to be , there could be and beyond, he is the master, the initiator the sustainer of all realms, all fundamental laws and reason and mathematics postulates which are not by their own but caused by this ultimate will, he sets the physical and logic laws accordingly , he makes ultimate sense and does absolute justice, he is pure in his essence and not corrupt, he is the initiator and cause behind all, matter and energy doesn't come without will rather it is him the ultimate the absolute the all able who brought them from nothing, he is the creator so he creates yet he needs none rather all needs him, his knowledge encompasses everything because HE IS the reality, the ultimate reality the inevitable truth. Nothing is beyond him, he is beyond everything, Space and Time are his creations, he is not contained by finite parameters he is infinite and beyond and this ultimate entity has intentionality and will, he is the ultimate conciousness the perfectly sentient the perfectly living, living eternally free from the concept of time with what it gives of begining and end he is without them rather all those concepts are by his will. He is the originator of all concepts all minds, all conciousness he is the absolute one self, all humans are not but conscious because he gave them that energy by his will not from his as part rather the soul is a masterpiece of his also by his majesty's absolute will. And then becomes the question of his will with your being sentinent to know him. Your purpose or mission in this set boundless reality he has placed you and surely that's not for you to be lost in insignificance.
There is no question and no inquiry of cause and reason beyond his will rather there is always infinite wisdom behind each of his wills. No one can hold him accountable rather he holds accountable the beings that he gave the burden and responsibility with sentience and morality. all that not in vain rather it is out of profound truth, justice and wisdom which in turn you will realize for one who is capable of all things. choosing the way that you safely are and the way you and existence thrives cannot be but from his benevolence.
That which he wills must be and does become inevitably without question, there is no otherwise because its being itself is without question because of its essentiality behind all potential of questions
After all that said and established as the basis it becomes your journey to truth.
I choose islam because its the only religion out there that give purely this very same basis. islam gave me this resolution and that resonated deep within me for this concept that i held and onwards from this concept of god every other thing of this religion is built and accompanied with logic. If you want know about specifics of this religion surely i have no justified knowledge but i would try to give you the pure islamic idea (not non-muslim media biased) that should make sense to you about the thing that you are curious and indeed the ultimately real truth of existence really is enthralling.
When it comes to proofs there are countless for this kind of creator, its not non-sensical, mythical stuff
Rather the ultimate proof of this lies in your self ability of deep thought. your intuition can make it to this conviction on its self.
1. So this god that we speak of as ALLAH ins Islam is that essential and ultimate necessary existence who is the ultimate reality the originator of all things. He is like himself not any other. He does not procreate or nothing divides from him because he is indivisible and nor was he procreated from something. He is alone the highest the ultimate, he is Capable of everything. Having absolute will. He is beyond all physicality, spirituality, metaphiscality, all realities, all existence rather all those are manifestations of his will. He is the absolute one above all. Only and truly one in his fundamentality. no parts, no peers, self-sufficient, eternal beyond all concepts of space and time rather all dimensions are there because he wanted and the way he wanted them to be they are.
2. there is nothing over him but rather he overpowers and encompasses all there is, there isn't, there was, there is to be , there could be and beyond, he is the master, the initiator the sustainer of all realms, all fundamental laws and reason and mathematics postulates which are not by their own but caused by this ultimate will, he sets the physical and logic laws accordingly , he makes ultimate sense and does absolute justice, he is pure in his essence and not corrupt, he is the initiator and cause behind all, matter and energy doesn't come without will rather it is him the ultimate the absolute the all able who brought them from nothing, he is the creator so he creates yet he needs none rather all needs him, his knowledge encompasses everything because HE IS the reality, the ultimate reality the inevitable truth.
3. Nothing is beyond him, he is beyond everything, Space and Time are his creations, he is not contained by finite parameters he is infinite and beyond and this ultimate entity has intentionality and will, he is the ultimate conciousness the perfectly sentient the perfectly living, living eternally free from the concept of time with what it gives of begining and end he is without them rather all those concepts are by his will. He is the originator of all concepts all minds, all conciousness he is the absolute one self, all humans are not but conscious because he gave them that energy by his will not from his as part rather the soul is a masterpiece of his also by his majesty's absolute will.
Nice job, comparing God to a cup. What A JOKE.
This is logic that Christians doesn't use 😂
@@Funplaying123 if comparing God to a cup is logic, then I don’t want to use this silly logic of yours.
@@sun2620 he didnt compare god with a cup. he used cup as an example to debunk multiple god theory. why dont you people use logic for once.
@@fardin2.o566 if 2 cups can’t be one, that doesn’t mean God can’t present himself and interact with us in multiple ways.
@@sun2620 OK then tell me how God can be 3 but 1 at the same time? I will convert if you can logically explain it.
Why does the Qur'an think that the Trinity is the Father, Son and Mary?
No it doesn't 😂
@@Funplaying123 Okay then, what’s the verse where the Quran correctly identifies the Trinity as Father, Sin, and Holy Spirit?
@@davidbates3353 The Qur'an doesn't identify Trinity. The Quran mentions the word three as applied to Christian belief in two different places 4:171 and 5:73.
Does the Quran say that Christians believe in the divinity of Mary mother of Jesus?
Yes, it sort of does. Though it does not necessarily imply that all Christians believe that, nor is it explicitly stated that the established concept of Trinity is the divinity of God, Jesus and Mary(rather than the Holy Spirit). Indeed the Prophet Muhammad(p.b.u.h) interacted with diverse sects that were present in his region at his time and they had diverse beliefs.
@@dwnetka That's rather my point... Either the Qur'an doesn't understand Christian belief or is talking about someone else. It's not clear, which is unfortunate since the Qur'an repeatedly claims to be a clear, fully-detailed book.
If we want to say that the Qur'an isn't speaking about mainstream Christianity, who is it refuting? There's only one quasi-Christian group I've found which believed Mary was divine - the Collyridians. It seems to have been a pretty insignificant group referenced in a single text and is disputed by scholars. Let's say it's them... Why would Allah's final and most perfect revelation waste time refuting an insignificant group which Allah knows will disappear after a few years, and then stay silent about mainstream Christianity which was found throughout the world until the present day?
Personally, I think it's easier to say that the author of the Qur'an just doesn't understand Christianity. Many Qu'ranic translators assert that the "three" of 4:171 refers to the Trinity and supplement the technical term which the Qur'an doesn't provide. The only other time "three" is used, the three people mentioned do not represent the Christian belief in the Trinity. One could very easily see how an Arab in the 7th Century could mistakenly believe this was the Christian belief and is the far simpler explanation.
@@davidbates3353 Yes, the Quran is a clear book. Who said this is a fully detailed book? What do you understand by "clear"? I'm not saying that a 5-year-old child will understand everything. And people's understanding is also different. I would say that using logic, anyone can clearly understand the meaning.
The Quran was not sent down to explain Christianity. Why should the Qur'an explain the Trinity at all? How many denominations profess Christianity? Do you expect the Quran to explain them all?
As for Mary, not only some denominations, but even some Catholics, for example, will pray to her as if she were a God. Since there is no basic faith in Christianity, what is the point of explaining it at all?
However, the Quran clearly says that we should not worship Mary or Jesus and say "three". Isn't that enough?
Ridiculous 🙃
Open your heart. It is blind
@@Adam001-fp8es What does my heart have to do with this? Not necessary a God believe that makes you a good person 😍
@@HanningtonGoldin without God you cannot know what is good or bad.
You just follow your desires.
The heart is the connection between God and his creation
@@Adam001-fp8es Ok, if you say so 👋🏽
@@Adam001-fp8es :-
without God you cannot know what is good or bad. ......"
Nonsense . What is The Use of Our The Most Developed Brain if We Can Not Know What is Good or Bad ??
Do You Seriously Believe That Its A God's Job to Teach Us "Toilet Etiquettes" ? How To Approach Female Partner ?