This insight to how Tesla shows, as you point out, the problem that other manufacturers have in duplicating Tesla is mind blowing. It takes a complete rebuild of how manufacturing is handled and how creativity is both encouraged and supported. Only someone who sees manufacturing as something that can be managed right down to the indivual part and car can even envision such a system. To build such a system is even harder and probably at this time only Tesla is both able and willing to do it. It's like you said the factory to Elon is a living thing and as such it's constantly changing and montering itself. The system that monitors and allows that to take place is as complex as the entire rest of the plant. But it gives a foundation that supports constant change without a total lack of control of the finished product. It turns the whole factory into a cyborg that has a mind and nervous system. At Tesla you don't work at a factory you are part of the factory. This realization has me just thinking about how slowly Teslas factories are becoming self aware. How they are seeing problems and solving them in real time without humans having to do more than give imput. How the thoughts and imput from every worker is part of not just manufacturing but of the hive mind of the plant. As Dr Frankenstein said.. It's alive, its alive. Just as Teslas cars are really mobile self monitoring computers their factories are self monitoring and self correcting cyborgs. Realizing this just makes you realize that Tesla is operating at a level that is not possible for any other company and won't be for years. Elon from the beginning had a vision that the factory was a machine unto itself. So he built it with an AI mind from the beginning. We are seeing a new order of manufacturing and design that is hard to even grasp much less understand. I suspect that with the new factories coming the factories will be largely self running and self correcting. Just imagine as Tesla bot begins to enter the picture. When the AI has its own computer workers to augment the human workers. OK got to, go my mind is melting need to let it cool off and assimilate this.
Being a Software Engineer with >10 yrs of experience, I must say the process being described here is what we use on a daily basis for Software development. The formal name for it is CICD (Continuous Integration and Continuous Deployment) where frequent changes are encouraged with "Automated Continuous Integration tests" running on the final product (and after each component is finished) to catch and rollback any bugs.
@@Martinit0 It’s quite natural and not difficult at all, but it requires extra time and effort. It’s the perspective that they use it on the hardware, and including all the mechanics in the car, that is mind blowing. But I am mainly a software guy and I can only guess how you test the mechanics of a device like a car.
John - please interview Joe Justice. In one of his interviews he explains the concept of every car having a digital twin in software. This is very important given the rapid rate of change at Tesla tracking which version of what components in imperative and challenging. This is like GIT and makefile/manifest for hardware. Brilliant but needs t be comprehensive and fully integrated throughout the product value stream. This is a HUGE competitive advantage, IMHO and something very foreign to legacy auto. I don’t think Sandy Munro even grasps it as it a software idea and has evolved greatly of late with cloud computing, infrastructure as code and docker / Kubernetes. Tracking all the moving pieces and versions is complex. Discussing this revelation with Sandy Munro would be awesome and I believe enlightening to him. It explains has Tesla is able to innovate at such velocity.
It is a good video, but because you left out the branching and joining section, I think it is lacking. Consider doing a separate video talking about how on the line they branch off, try some thing and then enter that back into the line. That’s the essential part of that video. Like your analysis!
Yeah, I watched everything with Joe J. & Farzad M. available on YT. This is pretty mindblowing to understand the inner workings of Tesla. I cannot wait how they will use Bot for the first time in the factory. I hope it will eventually leak to the public.
Hi John - I watched that entire interview with Lars and Joe Justice, as well as that other interview that Joe Justice did with Alejandro Sahuquillo and between those 2 interviews plus some other facts I've learned about working at Tesla, I'm just blown away by how much of a truly generational company Tesla is going to be - and it will be more than exciting to see the changes in the world, all due to Tesla (and SpaceX and Neuralink and The Boring Company) over the next 10 to 20 years ... and it will be poetic justice to see that Elon Musk will eventually be seen as not only the most influential person in the 21st century, but the most influential person in all of human history ... right? :)
The biggest difference between software and hardware: once you tested the limits of the hardware, the price cannot be used in the product any more. For example how to test all airbags that they will blowout at the right stimulus? If airbag inflated, it is used and cannot be installed in the car. On another hand if you didn’t make it inflate you don’t know if it will work once in accident...
Hi, Joe Justice was at Tesla for TWO MONTHS in 2020 as a Production Associate. Why does his experience hold so much weight? I love Tesla but I just want to make sure we don’t have happy ears.
I thought of a feature Tesla could add to Model S Plaid. Full self driving - drifting to music. The car would dance to the music playing in the car. Also independent tire burnout in sync with musical beat. Feel the musical beat with G force.
Software can have bugs, yet we use software all the time. The probability and cost of a bug affecting the system is much, much lower than the value that automated testing system provides, so it doesn't matter. Software bugs can be easily fixed as well.
Test driven development is design to minimize the number of bugs in the software, you can be sure most of the functionalities are covered with tests. the good thing is that when you find a bug you can write a test for that too, which eventually will cover most of all possible scenarios of the software functionalities. The idea of TDD is to detect any kind of failure or misbehavior all time, during development and before deliver the product
I can assure you from my own experience that automated regression tests and pipelines (predefined workflows from test to production) work very well in software. The software part is pretty easy. The hardware part, that is really mindblowing. It seems like a good idea but one that takes a lot of investment before returns begin to show. There are not many companies that would take on such a challenge.
In the original interview, i believe Joe J. said that after the automated testing, the people working with the parts also test them, plus the completed car also tests itself.
@@marce8760 Back in 1993 we developed automated hardware testing of our routers as we recognised we could shove out software fixes ota easily, but replacement of hardware was extremely expensive, and needed spares & service everywhere.. Developed specific tests & environment, and diagnostic in service tests to report back in real time potential issues such as overheating. Guess that TSLA has followed that. And other automakers have not. As he says, non trivial!
This is awesome and very fascinating, but with that in mind WHY does not Tesla have a "Tire Pressure Gauge" that I I know 15 year old regular cars have? Just weird, or what do you think?
Legacy OEMs do something called "end of line testing" for each vehicle rolling off the assembly line. Seems like Tesla is just doing more comprehensive EOL testing?
And the tests probably get better and better over time. Looking at cars that passed the test with defects will make it even better. No chance anyone can catch up
How doers the constant flow of changes affect the world of post-sale service? It seems to me, that we do not hear enough about that. Fixing a continuously-changing product must itself be a daunting task.
The key is modular architecture with known stable interfaces. In other words, as long as it plugs in the same way as before then the latest version of the component is still backwards compatible. Sandy Munro has touched in this and so has Joe Justice.
It all sounds great, but I wonder about one facet. If a part in my model 3 breaks, and that particular part has gone through 15 revisions since I bought my car, and actually is currently been replaced by some other part that does double function, will the original part be available for replacement in my car? Will they have to keep all the different iterations of all the parts? Can they design the system to be independent and modular enough to be assured that a new part will work in my old car?
Very good question. It's funny because I was wondering the exact same thing. I was also wondering if other things would be "upgradable" through the life of the car. For example, I have a March built 2021 3 Performance. I noticed the new models coming from China are getting AMD Ryzen based computers. I wonder if that will eventually become an option to upgrade. Also, what about battery tech? I wonder if with newer tech say around the corner to 3-5 years from now if the battery pack could be swapped out with a newer one with newer tech to further extend the life of the car and range/performance.
@@techrosis Yes, these are both great questions, and ones I have also been curious about. That AMD chipset is much more responsive, I'd really like to upgrade to it. And it would be really unfortunate if it wasn't possible to upgrade to the latest battery pack as they evolve. Another thing I really don't like about Tesla's (Musk's vision) is his reluctance to make the huge battery in my car available to use in my house - in case of a power outage, or for buying power and storing it at night, when it's cheap, and selling it back to the grid during the high usage day periods. I realize he'd rather me buy Powerwalls, but they are very expensive, and as I usually only use the car to go back and forth to work, all that storage is being wasted....
House batteries are most efficient when optimized for stationary storage and being under near-constant load. Maybe the iron based cars will get this function? Otherwise you're just wasting material resources, whilst losing transportation independence. It might be possible that Tesla would gain money from adding V2H (V2G would be practically useless and more complicated), because car batteries would need earlier replacement and can be re-used (or very efficiently recycled) for stationary storage. I believe Nissan already does this with their Leafs, which had notoriously poorly performing air-cooling. I think it would be best to give consumers the option but be very clear about the indirect financial cost to them and the world's materials.
@@cheezzinator I hear what you're saying, but I'm afraid I can't agree. The LFP batteries are perfectly useful in their current configuration for either vehicle to house, vehicle to grid, or sending your car out to Robotaxie, for that matter. Million miles. And a robotaxi would have more of a constant load than a Powerwall??? What about the indirect financial cost of not fully utilizing your twenty five thousand dollar car battery? Buying another two or three Powerwall's, which redundantly uses all those resources you're decrying, seems like the greater problem. And as for complexity of running vehicle to grid - I believe the complexity of the Tesla Autobidder software speaks for Tesla's ability to write complex software. VtoG is just a matter of tying into Autobidder and placing a DC to Ac converter somewhere in the line, and a net meter to direct back to the grid. It would be worth the effort to me as a customer - The Ford lightning can do it, as will the Cybertruck. I hate to waste all those millions of car batteries worth of resources. Especially if I can make money with them.
Tesla will run your car info, find your build, find or build a replacement part, send it to your repair tech, car is fixed. Remember Tesla's are designed to not break, the opposite of legacy auto. There is a story about a oil gasket company that sent GM a design for a gasket. GM asked how long the gasket would last. The company engineer guaranteed it would last 200,000 miles. GM asked if they could reengineer it to last 160,000 miles? The company redesigned it in a month, took the "new" gasket to GM, and found out that GM had decided to order the gaskets from Mecixo for $0.05 less that last 150,000 miles. Designed to fail is the legacy auto business model.
Vision computing and robotics were born on the manufacturing line in the 50s. This is nothing new however Tesla's depth seems very advanced and integrated in almost everything they do.
This goes a long way to explain why they have such trouble with the service and parts departments. There might only be a few thousand cars with the particular part you need, and they never made any extras. So, now they need to make a one-off.
Tesla does not have parts laying around waiting to send out. You ask for a part, they make it and send it out. Tesla's are designed not to break. You seem very familiar with Legacy auto's designed to fail maintenance program.
@@davidbeppler3032 Designed not to break, even if true, doesn't help when the part is subject to malfeasance of one sort or another. People seem to be waiting a long time for parts (both in legacy and Tesla model), so no one has it solved yet.
@@davidbeppler3032 No, it really does. You just don't seem to get it. Let me simplify for you: if someone rear ends your car, you are going to need parts.
@@CorwynGC I was rear ended. I did not need parts. The insurance company totaled the car. 45mph accident. No injuries. I get your point. It is valid. But it is not valuable. You are unhappy that car parts are not readily available. Got news for you, 3rd party vendors provide 90% of ICE parts. Tesla has no 3rd party vendors. Start a company, build Tesla parts. Make a fortune.
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Legacy Auto does a comprehensive 500 car inspection every day in a production of 20,000 cars a day. Tesla does a comprehensive 2,000 car inspection every day in a production of 2,000 cars. Why would anyone buy a Legacy Auto that has not been inspected? Test every car, every time. That should be a law.
In my other posts, I commented on why and how telsa is so far ahead of it's competition. I didn't include the Chinese in my assessments, cause of limited information about them. Relying on Sandy Monroe's ideas, I thought that some unknown Chinese company my come along and give telsa a run for it's money. Remember,there are over a hundred or more companies working on e.v.s But given what I learned over the last month about telsas manufacturing culture and the mindset that goes with it, I'm thinking that Telsa can actually become choam. The telsa manufacturing culture can only be produced,and flourish,when the surrounding environment is one of personal freedom. This is total anathema to the current Chinese government. That kind of thinking cannot be confined to the factory floor iIt must, by it's very nature,be carried over to the wider society. Under the CCP, that's not going to happen. This means that Chinese factories will always be at a disadvantage,and perforth, second place. Or as someone once said,first loser.
What's "mind blowing" is that with all this testing, the general consensus is that Teslas are not high quality products, especially for the money...i.e. "fit and finish", software issues, etc. My 3 year old Model 3 had paint problems, cracked back glass, squeeks, and currently I get loading errors with my satellite radio. Don't know if this is strictly a Fremont issue vs. Shanghai's superior quality, but it needs to change with ever more (Chinese) products coming to market.
This is the kind of stuff that Palantir can provide to other companies. Their platform allows for extracting, integrating and analyzing data much better, faster and cheaper than other solutions on the market. It is customizable, can be used in almost any industry, and would allow for faster, cheaper and more accurate testing. I hope Palantir will spread across companies fast, it would speed up technological progress tremendously.
Doesn't seem that mind blowing. Haven't things like andriod/windows been constantly symbiotically changing upgrading ie embracing change to accommodate thousands of hardware changes since day dot with backend reporting diagnostic aspects essentially realtime for years to the point they can fix a lot of issues algorithmically. Why does Tesla Rank Near Bottom of Automaker Reliability List, Toyota, Lexus at Top(Consumer Reports annual auto reliability survey) , if all this automated testing is so awesome?
Judging from his past statements, he wants other companies to copy Tesla's innovation strategies. To the point of offering full cooperation on patents - we won't sue you for using our patents if you don't sue us for using yours- , so that society has accelerating technology development from which all benefit.
I love your channel, and I love BestinTesla, but I have to call BS on this one. You CAN'T validate everything on every unit you ship. For example, you can't determine if a particular change affects the failure rate of a component or subsystem: reliability testing requires testing a lot of units, over extended time, and extreme conditions. As for "factory mode", this sounds typical to me. I don't have an auto-industry background, but I'm an electronic engineer, with decades of experience and most (if not all) of the projects I've worked on included extensive self-test at the top assembly level. But such testing never reaches 100% fault detection. For example, does factory mode include automatically verifying all the seat belts will buckle and unbuckle easily? Does it include opening and closing all the storage areas, including the glove box? But I would be really impressed if all these components were individually testing just before installation.
Since in the near future all cars will be 'connected', will legislatures require cameras in all cars to record or transmit crimes committed in cars? Will spouse battery in a car become a thing of the past? Our privacy will have to be weighed against our responsibility to our fellow human beings. Can we have total privacy when we're alone in our car? Would we be able to smuggle if we're alone, or must it be recorded and reported? No one but the government wants ubiquitous surveillance, so there will have to be some negotiations between citizens and governments. External surveillance would be much more acceptable than in-car surveillance (catching criminals). But many people would also be for in-car surveillance if they thought it could protect their friends and family. No more committing crimes in the car! And don't think we'll have a choice to have the car connected or not. There will be no choice. No one will stop buying cars just because they have to have cameras that are connected to the internet or recording device. In-car surveillance will come eventually! We'd better prepare to negotiate with governments now to try to keep some semblance of our privacy. There must be a few things that we won't let the government do. In any case, for reasons too numerous to list here, near ubiquitous surveillance will make things much more difficult for criminals, even serial killers. And it's coming, rest assured of that. And we won't be allowed to cover or turn off our cameras or we'll be reported on, or the vehicle won't move. We need to think ahead of how we can at least partially protect our privacy because as we know, government isn't necessarily a good actor.
Wow, this is the fastest segment you have ever done... and they are all pretty quick. Thanks.
This insight to how Tesla shows, as you point out, the problem that other manufacturers have in duplicating Tesla is mind blowing. It takes a complete rebuild of how manufacturing is handled and how creativity is both encouraged and supported. Only someone who sees manufacturing as something that can be managed right down to the indivual part and car can even envision such a system. To build such a system is even harder and probably at this time only Tesla is both able and willing to do it. It's like you said the factory to Elon is a living thing and as such it's constantly changing and montering itself. The system that monitors and allows that to take place is as complex as the entire rest of the plant. But it gives a foundation that supports constant change without a total lack of control of the finished product. It turns the whole factory into a cyborg that has a mind and nervous system. At Tesla you don't work at a factory you are part of the factory. This realization has me just thinking about how slowly Teslas factories are becoming self aware. How they are seeing problems and solving them in real time without humans having to do more than give imput. How the thoughts and imput from every worker is part of not just manufacturing but of the hive mind of the plant. As Dr Frankenstein said.. It's alive, its alive. Just as Teslas cars are really mobile self monitoring computers their factories are self monitoring and self correcting cyborgs. Realizing this just makes you realize that Tesla is operating at a level that is not possible for any other company and won't be for years. Elon from the beginning had a vision that the factory was a machine unto itself. So he built it with an AI mind from the beginning. We are seeing a new order of manufacturing and design that is hard to even grasp much less understand. I suspect that with the new factories coming the factories will be largely self running and self correcting. Just imagine as Tesla bot begins to enter the picture. When the AI has its own computer workers to augment the human workers. OK got to, go my mind is melting need to let it cool off and assimilate this.
A company is a cybernetic collective
Couldn't agree more! Love that recent quote "The most underestimated thing about Tesla is the level at which Tesla is being underestimated"
Being a Software Engineer with >10 yrs of experience, I must say the process being described here is what we use on a daily basis for Software development. The formal name for it is CICD (Continuous Integration and Continuous Deployment) where frequent changes are encouraged with "Automated Continuous Integration tests" running on the final product (and after each component is finished) to catch and rollback any bugs.
How difficult is it to implement CI/CD in the software field?
@@Martinit0 It’s quite natural and not difficult at all, but it requires extra time and effort. It’s the perspective that they use it on the hardware, and including all the mechanics in the car, that is mind blowing. But I am mainly a software guy and I can only guess how you test the mechanics of a device like a car.
Joe Justice just simplified how Tesla is able to iterate so quickly !
Just got educated !
Great video keep it up my friend!
Please make an episode touring your bookshelves!
John - please interview Joe Justice. In one of his interviews he explains the concept of every car having a digital twin in software. This is very important given the rapid rate of change at Tesla tracking which version of what components in imperative and challenging. This is like GIT and makefile/manifest for hardware. Brilliant but needs t be comprehensive and fully integrated throughout the product value stream. This is a HUGE competitive advantage, IMHO and something very foreign to legacy auto. I don’t think Sandy Munro even grasps it as it a software idea and has evolved greatly of late with cloud computing, infrastructure as code and docker / Kubernetes. Tracking all the moving pieces and versions is complex. Discussing this revelation with Sandy Munro would be awesome and I believe enlightening to him. It explains has Tesla is able to innovate at such velocity.
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I call this the Manufacture/Technology EVOLUTION REVOLUTION
Joe has an infectious energy, I love hearing him talk.
I think it sounds more like B..
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It is a good video, but because you left out the branching and joining section, I think it is lacking. Consider doing a separate video talking about how on the line they branch off, try some thing and then enter that back into the line. That’s the essential part of that video. Like your analysis!
Yeah, I watched everything with Joe J. & Farzad M. available on YT. This is pretty mindblowing to understand the inner workings of Tesla. I cannot wait how they will use Bot for the first time in the factory. I hope it will eventually leak to the public.
Hi John - I watched that entire interview with Lars and Joe Justice, as well as that other interview that Joe Justice did with Alejandro Sahuquillo and between those 2 interviews plus some other facts I've learned about working at Tesla, I'm just blown away by how much of a truly generational company Tesla is going to be - and it will be more than exciting to see the changes in the world, all due to Tesla (and SpaceX and Neuralink and The Boring Company) over the next 10 to 20 years ... and it will be poetic justice to see that Elon Musk will eventually be seen as not only the most influential person in the 21st century, but the most influential person in all of human history ... right? :)
The biggest difference between software and hardware: once you tested the limits of the hardware, the price cannot be used in the product any more. For example how to test all airbags that they will blowout at the right stimulus? If airbag inflated, it is used and cannot be installed in the car. On another hand if you didn’t make it inflate you don’t know if it will work once in accident...
I Like it a lot great presentation !!!
The change control rule of Tesla is even more advanced than tsmc or intel. Wow.
No wonder Tesla was able to adapt so quickly to the chip shortage.
Can't wait for your Joe Justice interview...he has great insights.
I am big fan of both yours and his channel. 👍
Hi, Joe Justice was at Tesla for TWO MONTHS in 2020 as a Production Associate. Why does his experience hold so much weight? I love Tesla but I just want to make sure we don’t have happy ears.
This was very revealing
I thought of a feature Tesla could add to
Model S Plaid.
Full self driving - drifting to music.
The car would dance to the music playing in the car.
Also independent tire burnout in sync with musical beat.
Feel the musical beat with G force.
I’m skeptical, even software can have bugs so if the software is the tester what tests are being performed on it?
Software can have bugs, yet we use software all the time. The probability and cost of a bug affecting the system is much, much lower than the value that automated testing system provides, so it doesn't matter. Software bugs can be easily fixed as well.
Test driven development is design to minimize the number of bugs in the software, you can be sure most of the functionalities are covered with tests.
the good thing is that when you find a bug you can write a test for that too, which eventually will cover most of all possible scenarios of the software functionalities.
The idea of TDD is to detect any kind of failure or misbehavior all time, during development and before deliver the product
I can assure you from my own experience that automated regression tests and pipelines (predefined workflows from test to production) work very well in software. The software part is pretty easy. The hardware part, that is really mindblowing. It seems like a good idea but one that takes a lot of investment before returns begin to show. There are not many companies that would take on such a challenge.
In the original interview, i believe Joe J. said that after the automated testing, the people working with the parts also test them, plus the completed car also tests itself.
@@marce8760 Back in 1993 we developed automated hardware testing of our routers as we recognised we could shove out software fixes ota easily, but replacement of hardware was extremely expensive, and needed spares & service everywhere.. Developed specific tests & environment, and diagnostic in service tests to report back in real time potential issues such as overheating. Guess that TSLA has followed that. And other automakers have not. As he says, non trivial!
I suspect that the individual testing approach is already used at scale in computer manufacturing but for Cars it must be far more difficult
Sonic then Hedgehog 2! All-time favorite!
Yes, a little bit mind-blowing, for sure. How can anyone not admire the achievements?
When they made me at Fremont, everyone kept saying I came from Different Parts.
All this continuing redundancy in testing parts and assembly steps must account for Tesla's much-improved reputation for build quality.
I am sure there are alternative words, but 'mind blowing' will do 🤯
they are applying software engineering techniques to manufacturing. Cool.
This is awesome and very fascinating, but with that in mind WHY does not Tesla have a "Tire Pressure Gauge" that I I know 15 year old regular cars have? Just weird, or what do you think?
Aw man I was so close passing sonic 2 back in the day and it froze broke my heart
Basically the Tesla has been working on the "Bot" for way more than a few months. The prototype will be much more mature than I realized!!
Legacy OEMs do something called "end of line testing" for each vehicle rolling off the assembly line. Seems like Tesla is just doing more comprehensive EOL testing?
And the tests probably get better and better over time. Looking at cars that passed the test with defects will make it even better. No chance anyone can catch up
Clearly Tesla has re written the rules or lack ther of. “Individual testing at mass consumer scale.”
How doers the constant flow of changes affect the world of post-sale service? It seems to me, that we do not hear enough about that. Fixing a continuously-changing product must itself be a daunting task.
The key is modular architecture with known stable interfaces. In other words, as long as it plugs in the same way as before then the latest version of the component is still backwards compatible. Sandy Munro has touched in this and so has Joe Justice.
It all sounds great, but I wonder about one facet. If a part in my model 3 breaks, and that particular part has gone through 15 revisions since I bought my car, and actually is currently been replaced by some other part that does double function, will the original part be available for replacement in my car? Will they have to keep all the different iterations of all the parts? Can they design the system to be independent and modular enough to be assured that a new part will work in my old car?
Very good question. It's funny because I was wondering the exact same thing. I was also wondering if other things would be "upgradable" through the life of the car. For example, I have a March built 2021 3 Performance. I noticed the new models coming from China are getting AMD Ryzen based computers. I wonder if that will eventually become an option to upgrade. Also, what about battery tech? I wonder if with newer tech say around the corner to 3-5 years from now if the battery pack could be swapped out with a newer one with newer tech to further extend the life of the car and range/performance.
@@techrosis Yes, these are both great questions, and ones I have also been curious about. That AMD chipset is much more responsive, I'd really like to upgrade to it. And it would be really unfortunate if it wasn't possible to upgrade to the latest battery pack as they evolve.
Another thing I really don't like about Tesla's (Musk's vision) is his reluctance to make the huge battery in my car available to use in my house - in case of a power outage, or for buying power and storing it at night, when it's cheap, and selling it back to the grid during the high usage day periods. I realize he'd rather me buy Powerwalls, but they are very expensive, and as I usually only use the car to go back and forth to work, all that storage is being wasted....
House batteries are most efficient when optimized for stationary storage and being under near-constant load.
Maybe the iron based cars will get this function? Otherwise you're just wasting material resources, whilst losing transportation independence.
It might be possible that Tesla would gain money from adding V2H (V2G would be practically useless and more complicated), because car batteries would need earlier replacement and can be re-used (or very efficiently recycled) for stationary storage. I believe Nissan already does this with their Leafs, which had notoriously poorly performing air-cooling.
I think it would be best to give consumers the option but be very clear about the indirect financial cost to them and the world's materials.
@@cheezzinator I hear what you're saying, but I'm afraid I can't agree. The LFP batteries are perfectly useful in their current configuration for either vehicle to house, vehicle to grid, or sending your car out to Robotaxie, for that matter. Million miles. And a robotaxi would have more of a constant load than a Powerwall???
What about the indirect financial cost of not fully utilizing your twenty five thousand dollar car battery? Buying another two or three Powerwall's, which redundantly uses all those resources you're decrying, seems like the greater problem.
And as for complexity of running vehicle to grid - I believe the complexity of the Tesla Autobidder software speaks for Tesla's ability to write complex software. VtoG is just a matter of tying into Autobidder and placing a DC to Ac converter somewhere in the line, and a net meter to direct back to the grid.
It would be worth the effort to me as a customer - The Ford lightning can do it, as will the Cybertruck. I hate to waste all those millions of car batteries worth of resources. Especially if I can make money with them.
Tesla will run your car info, find your build, find or build a replacement part, send it to your repair tech, car is fixed. Remember Tesla's are designed to not break, the opposite of legacy auto.
There is a story about a oil gasket company that sent GM a design for a gasket. GM asked how long the gasket would last. The company engineer guaranteed it would last 200,000 miles. GM asked if they could reengineer it to last 160,000 miles? The company redesigned it in a month, took the "new" gasket to GM, and found out that GM had decided to order the gaskets from Mecixo for $0.05 less that last 150,000 miles. Designed to fail is the legacy auto business model.
1984 was a world of luddites actually.
This insight let me know Tesla has a gigantic lead over everyone( man).
Vision computing and robotics were born on the manufacturing line in the 50s. This is nothing new however Tesla's depth seems very advanced and integrated in almost everything they do.
14:17 Those systems will be used, to optimize human workers too, actual even today, just not by an KI ^^
Please note that All OEMs test every vehicle before they shipout. I work on it..
Not to the level that Tesla does autonomously from what I am seeing!
This goes a long way to explain why they have such trouble with the service and parts departments. There might only be a few thousand cars with the particular part you need, and they never made any extras. So, now they need to make a one-off.
Tesla does not have parts laying around waiting to send out. You ask for a part, they make it and send it out. Tesla's are designed not to break. You seem very familiar with Legacy auto's designed to fail maintenance program.
@@davidbeppler3032 Designed not to break, even if true, doesn't help when the part is subject to malfeasance of one sort or another. People seem to be waiting a long time for parts (both in legacy and Tesla model), so no one has it solved yet.
@@CorwynGC malfeasance? lmao
That word does not mean what you think it means. Solution, buy a horse. Glad I could help.
@@davidbeppler3032 No, it really does. You just don't seem to get it. Let me simplify for you: if someone rear ends your car, you are going to need parts.
@@CorwynGC I was rear ended. I did not need parts. The insurance company totaled the car. 45mph accident. No injuries.
I get your point. It is valid. But it is not valuable. You are unhappy that car parts are not readily available. Got news for you, 3rd party vendors provide 90% of ICE parts. Tesla has no 3rd party vendors. Start a company, build Tesla parts. Make a fortune.
I can’t believe I watched 2m 47 of this.
Makes me think of Asimov's Susan Calvin and US robotics
Wow . Who could possibly copy this?
The next gigafactory will be in a country with right hand drive...
Technocrats not allowed to enter Tesla and to muck-up the cybor super-system...😳
I think this pandemic has taught people the importance of multiple streams of income, unfortunately having a job doesn't mean security rather having different investments is the real deal.
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Really? I wish you all the best in your venture, but don't pretend this is a spontaneous chat: because it isn't.
Definitely suggest watching the original interview. Lots more info and detail. th-cam.com/video/Pk4Ygmd8fLc/w-d-xo.html
Legacy Auto does a comprehensive 500 car inspection every day in a production of 20,000 cars a day. Tesla does a comprehensive 2,000 car inspection every day in a production of 2,000 cars. Why would anyone buy a Legacy Auto that has not been inspected? Test every car, every time. That should be a law.
In my other posts, I commented on why and how telsa is so far ahead of it's competition. I didn't include the Chinese in my assessments, cause of limited information about them. Relying on Sandy Monroe's ideas, I thought that some unknown Chinese company my come along and give telsa a run for it's money. Remember,there are over a hundred or more companies working on e.v.s
But given what I learned over the last month about telsas manufacturing culture and the mindset that goes with it, I'm thinking that Telsa can actually become choam.
The telsa manufacturing culture can only be produced,and flourish,when the surrounding environment is one of personal freedom. This is total anathema to the current Chinese government. That kind of thinking cannot be confined to the factory floor iIt must, by it's very nature,be carried over to the wider society.
Under the CCP, that's not going to happen.
This means that Chinese factories will always be at a disadvantage,and perforth, second place. Or as someone once said,first loser.
Maybe you should interview Farzad Mesbahi instead? He has worked for Tesla for 3 more years than Joe Justice… Just saying… 🙂
12:16 It would be enough, if every Tesla made, had the same quality. No losing parts, no missing parts, screws and so on.....
Disagree. I just wish every car company was held to the same standard as Tesla.
What's "mind blowing" is that with all this testing, the general consensus is that Teslas are not high quality products, especially for the money...i.e. "fit and finish", software issues, etc. My 3 year old Model 3 had paint problems, cracked back glass, squeeks, and currently I get loading errors with my satellite radio. Don't know if this is strictly a Fremont issue vs. Shanghai's superior quality, but it needs to change with ever more (Chinese) products coming to market.
This is the kind of stuff that Palantir can provide to other companies. Their platform allows for extracting, integrating and analyzing data much better, faster and cheaper than other solutions on the market. It is customizable, can be used in almost any industry, and would allow for faster, cheaper and more accurate testing. I hope Palantir will spread across companies fast, it would speed up technological progress tremendously.
Doesn't seem that mind blowing. Haven't things like andriod/windows been constantly symbiotically changing upgrading ie embracing change to accommodate thousands of hardware changes since day dot with backend reporting diagnostic aspects essentially realtime for years to the point they can fix a lot of issues algorithmically. Why does
Tesla Rank Near Bottom of Automaker Reliability List, Toyota, Lexus at Top(Consumer Reports annual auto reliability survey) , if all this automated testing is so awesome?
If you can make something fun and easy to follow it is easier to implement.
Sonic game was for Tweakers of which i never was. I hated the game so i never played it
Not sure Elon appreciates Joe's "tell-all" of the innovation at Tesla.
Judging from his past statements, he wants other companies to copy Tesla's innovation strategies. To the point of offering full cooperation on patents - we won't sue you for using our patents if you don't sue us for using yours- , so that society has accelerating technology development from which all benefit.
FJB
Of course Tesla gamified its factories, just like Elon gamified his son's Ad Astra eduction!
I love your channel, and I love BestinTesla, but I have to call BS on this one. You CAN'T validate everything on every unit you ship. For example, you can't determine if a particular change affects the failure rate of a component or subsystem: reliability testing requires testing a lot of units, over extended time, and extreme conditions.
As for "factory mode", this sounds typical to me. I don't have an auto-industry background, but I'm an electronic engineer, with decades of experience and most (if not all) of the projects I've worked on included extensive self-test at the top assembly level. But such testing never reaches 100% fault detection. For example, does factory mode include automatically verifying all the seat belts will buckle and unbuckle easily? Does it include opening and closing all the storage areas, including the glove box? But I would be really impressed if all these components were individually testing just before installation.
I suggest watching the original interview th-cam.com/video/Pk4Ygmd8fLc/w-d-xo.html
Why would somebody conceitedly call himself Dr. Know-it-all?
I don't think he's entirely serious about it.
I know the answer to that question.
Since in the near future all cars will be 'connected', will legislatures require cameras in all cars to record or transmit crimes committed in cars? Will spouse battery in a car become a thing of the past? Our privacy will have to be weighed against our responsibility to our fellow human beings. Can we have total privacy when we're alone in our car? Would we be able to smuggle if we're alone, or must it be recorded and reported?
No one but the government wants ubiquitous surveillance, so there will have to be some negotiations between citizens and governments. External surveillance would be much more acceptable than in-car surveillance (catching criminals). But many people would also be for in-car surveillance if they thought it could protect their friends and family. No more committing crimes in the car!
And don't think we'll have a choice to have the car connected or not. There will be no choice. No one will stop buying cars just because they have to have cameras that are connected to the internet or recording device. In-car surveillance will come eventually! We'd better prepare to negotiate with governments now to try to keep some semblance of our privacy. There must be a few things that we won't let the government do.
In any case, for reasons too numerous to list here, near ubiquitous surveillance will make things much more difficult for criminals, even serial killers. And it's coming, rest assured of that. And we won't be allowed to cover or turn off our cameras or we'll be reported on, or the vehicle won't move. We need to think ahead of how we can at least partially protect our privacy because as we know, government isn't necessarily a good actor.
Joe worked at Tesla for 4 months. He constantly exaggerates everything. Not impressed with his commentary at all.