Bloomin’ brilliant. The Jag is, sadly, way beyond my budget (we lease a Kia Soul EV to complement my old “hobby” car) but it’s a real glimpse of the future. Great that they’ve embraced the design freedoms afforded by the different drivetrain. Even ignoring the eco/air quality considerations, EVs are simply going to be better cars for most people in the real world. Better packaged, more pleasant to drive, more reliable etc. Your observations about real-world convenience are spot on. Off-street parking is the most critical thing but, providing you have that, then perceived “issues” about range, charge time and charging infrastructure simply don’t bear out in reality. Most journeys are short, home charging is quick because you’re usually just “topping up” rather than staring from empty, and stopping for a coffee break and a wee on a very long motorway journey is hardy an inconvenience. Yes, construction processes and battery tech aren’t exactly “green” yet - but the best way to promote investment in these technologies is to create demand for them. If there’s market demand for better batteries, then batteries will get better. Worried about emissions “at the power station”? Fair point, but at least there’s the possibility of using renewable energy sources, which doesn’t exist if you’re burning petrol/diesel directly in the engine. And, in the meantime, we get vastly improved air quality (and less noise) in densely populated areas. What’s not to like?
B G interesting, but id say quite a bit , i don’t want to have to adapt to plugging the thing in overnight, i don’t want have to plan every journey and think wheres the next charge is coming from and adjust accordingly. The thought of having to get out cables and open the garage to gain access to power when it’s dark or raining is just not acceptable and having to reverse the process when departing , no thanks. A major step backwards in practicality which keeps the mainstream away. The actual charging network (others aspects aside) is not even remotely close to being extensive enough to be practical. Opinions
Mark Roberts Hi Mark, obviously we all have different situations and expectations, so I can only talk to my own experiences. I didn't buy (or rather, lease) an EV through any particular desire to own one or to "save the planet" - the Kia simply seemed to present a good solution to our family needs at a good price. I was very surprised to find that many of the concerns I had prior to ownership proved not to be an issue in reality. Again, the caveat being that everyone has different needs/circumstances. In response to your specific points: PLANNING EVERY JOURNEY - Is "every" journey you do over 100 miles (or 200 miles, if we're talking about a newer EV)? Journey planning is only a concern if you're expecting to travel beyond the range of the car. How frequently you will exceed that distance depends on your circumstances, but we find the vast majority of our trips are easily within range, and we're lucky enough to have access to a second car if we do need to go further. Most longer trips will include a stretch of motorway, and every motorway services now has charging points, plus there's a handy app called "Zap Map" which makes it easy to find a charge point along your route. Interestingly, in 12 months of EV ownership, we've charged the car away from home a grand total of TWO times. One of those occasions was purely to see how it worked, and the other was a planned stop at a services. GETTING OUT CABLES - If you have off-street parking, you will probably choose to have a 7kw charge point installed at home (they're faster and safer than using a 3-pin plug, and cost from around £200 installed). These can have a "tethered" cable permanently attached or you can just leave a cable attached and secure it with a lock. Similarly, the fast chargers you'll find at services etc. have cables attached. It's therefore very rare that you'll ever have to get your own cable out of the car. Plugging the cable into your car is no more difficult that inserting a petrol pump into a filler (and, bonus, you don't have to stand there holding the handle). OPENING THE GARAGE DOOR - In most cases you'll be able to install a charge point on the outside of your property/garage - so there's no need to open the garage door. Plugging in when you get home takes seconds - honestly, it's no inconvenience at all - and soon becomes second nature. EXTENT OF CHARGING NETWORK - It's pretty extensive, and growing all the time (check out www.zap-map.com). The biggest issue is not a lack of chargers, it's the lack of standardisation (need to create multiple user accounts, download various apps, use different payment methods etc). That really needs to be sorted, so that you can just roll up to any charger and present a contactless card. I'm sure we'll get there... The key point is that any concerns about the charging network are only relevant if you're actually charging the car away from home. Some drivers will obviously need to do that regularly and will need to decide whether they're happy to stop along their route for a coffee and a charge. I suspect that a lot of people (like myself) would be surprised at how infrequently they'll actually need to rely on public charge points. That reliance will become even less as battery range increases. You mention that you "don't want to have to adapt". The funny thing is, whenever I stop at fuel station in our second car these days, and stand there in the cold, holding a grubby pump handle whilst inhaling petrol fumes and watching the £££ tick over at an alarming rate, I can't help feeling that it all seems very archaic and inconvenient compared to just plugging in a cable when I get home. I guess I've adapted :)
Brilliant episode. The only thing more relaxing than driving an electric vehicle is sitting down in a comfy wingback with a cup of tea and settling down to watch the latest Smith & Sniff video.
Very good, practical, pragmatic conversation thanks. I thought their comments about the V8 becoming a hobby in the same way a horse is now, makes the best argument for an EV that I've ever heard. I have a Jaguar i-Pace on order and my thinking about EV range is this - When I think about my weekly use of a vehicle, I drive less than 20 miles / 30 kms per day to / from work. In a Mon-Fri week I generally drive approx. 200 miles. I might drive 300 miles or 500 kms in a day, 2-3 times a year, so "range anxiety" is more like "range paranoia". In my opinion it will take very little adjustment in my life to accommodate an EV and it will make a nice change from making the oil companies rich. The second point is, I plug in my smartphone, my smart watch, my computer to charge overnight. Why is it such a shift to plug in my EV a couple of times a week and make sure it's fully charged (no pun intended Jonny) on a Friday night.
I am glad this channel came up as a suggestion. I have way watched Jonny on 5th gear, fully charged and now this. By far you and Sniff have a really good way to present. Best team I have seen for a car show. Subbed and looking forward to the next review
The E-Pace and the I-Pace are built on the same production line, and they can vary the product mix on-demand. And Jag have just bought a contract for another 55,000 i-Pace's worth of batteries a year. Presumably for the electric XJ and their many plug-in hybrids.
I'd like to also point out that since this one has 4.5sec 0-60, it is comparable to F-Pace SVR 5.0L V8 which costs more (£72000+). So it is not that expensive. But for some reason everyone is comparing I-pace to small diesel hatchbacks and "Oh! Look how expensive it is!"
I do like the idea of an electric car as a daily. Use it for the commute, possibly the odd 100-mile each way run, and have a cheap snotter for fun. Realistically, as leccy cars get more common and insurance gets more palatable, I think that'll be a thing. It'll probably mean higher tax and insurance for a big six or a V8 or a bonkers V12 if you have the guts for it (an old Jag, perhaps...) but if it's a toy, then it's a toy and it's worth it for the fun it gives. I currently pootle about in an E46 330 - if I could pick up an electric Focus/Fiesta/etc for a couple of grand, I'd happily use that for daily stuff, and keep the BMW for the weekends when I want to pop and crackle on the overrun with the roof down on the Yorkshire Dales.
Came across this by accident but love the format, an invite to a conversation between two chaps that obviously get on well, that it about cars is not that important.
Nice review. But just one cliché we need to bury once and for all : "Electric cars use more battery when they go faster" ... ANY vehicle on earth uses up it's energy faster when it moves faster... it has nothing to do with it being battery electrically driven or by an internal or external combustion engine, or by nuclear power. It has to do with drag increasing exponentially with speed. So yes, gas cars consume the same amount more at higher speeds... people just don't notice because they pay so little attention at their consumption. Try it,... fill your tank up and do the same route at 80kph, then try the same again at 140kph...
The drop off in range is far more pronounced for electric vehicles than ICE cars - as comparison to the links below show. It's not a cliche - I drive both and the effect is real. The range of electric cars actually correlates well to the square law increase in air drag (sidenote - it's not exponential) very well as it is near 100% efficient engine. Because combustion engine is at best 30% efficient - but depends on rpm - and the rest heat loss then link to air drag is less obvious - except at the highest speeds (above 60). www.quora.com/Can-electric-cars-get-more-range-if-driven-more-slowly www.mpgforspeed.com/
bbbf09 Yes, aerodynamic drag increases with speed squared, so not exponentially if you want to be correct in your wording. But if you express the consumption as an amount of energy per distance, although aerodynamic drag increases as the square of speed (interestingly, rolling resistance doesn't. It's pretty much linear), the energy per distance increases linearly (almost) with speed. Basically, the increase in drag is "compensated" by the fact that you are travelling more distance per time. The only way EV consumption would be worse than ICE is because battery capacity decreases somewhat at higher discharge rates. I will look into the links you sent me. Thanks for that. But I do hope we can at least agree on the fact that the air you drive through and the road you drive on is not aware of the drivetrain you have or the way you store energy. Aerodynamic and rolling resistance are thus the same given the same shape and size of car. (Same CdA, same tire loading and contact patch size).
Frederico you 100% right, I first learnt this decade ago when I was stuck in Toronto with less gas than I usually use in the tank and needed to get home 50 KM away. So instead of taking the highway my brother and I drove at 60 KM/H taking care to time the stop lights so we rarely had to stop. And to our surprise we arrived home using only half the gas. When I go to the States I now insist on going the speed limit in the slow lane since if I drive like the manic I see all the time I would use twice the gas.
I'm gonna blame rich for this, I recall him and a chum getting very obsessed over the door bin linings of an S6 once. Lots of tactile interaction. Filth.
It's 2023 and I'm in Canberra, Australia. I still couldn't bring myself to risk a pure EV. We just don't have the infrastrucure here. I'd be watching the charge/mileage ticking down, freaking out. In a way I'm glad the Aus Gov is holding back on the ultimatums to date.
200 actual range is plenty, I only do a big drive a couple of times a year, so for that I can hire an ICE vehicle and for the other 360 odd I can enjoy trundling around in an EV.
Man I really really love this review of this I-PACE you guys are like a BritCom from the BBC or ITV. Sorry but you guys conversation is informative but hilarious. Like it's a bit Soviet on the outside. LoL😂👍🏾 But I missed when you put the cruise control on does it burn more range. In the US we need the range like my round trip could be 165 miles a trip because of rural areas and suburbs. The range has to get up there for the American market. Thanks for a great review. 😀👍🏾
Love the red seats. My guess is that Jaguar will be scrambling to keep up with demand. Their problem might be battery production in volume. Any 200 mile range electric car seems to be on high demand - -Kia Nero, Hyundai, Model 3.. you name it. Customers want electric cars the world over.
It's true that ICE cars will become a hobby for enthusiasts but eventually the fuel will become difficult to find because no demand will mean no supply and counter intuitively it will become expensive. Not to mention, petrol particularly, cannot be stored in quantity at home and refuelling stations will disappear. Then spare parts will go out of production.
The real reason of the delays on deliveries is that they are trying to sort out some software problems on the charging system. Those guys at Jaguar are working overtime to sort this out.
When I first learnt to drive my uncle told me there was no speed limit on the M6 toll.... my Ford Puma could do 130mph; glad I found that he was a liar before I got caught and banned!
19.40. It's always amazed me how many people are convinced that they only spend 5 minutes when they stop at a filling station, especially at a motorway services. As Richard said, he was stopped for 1 hour. It would also be interesting if people kept a record of the actual distance they regularly drive every day. They may be surprised. Nowadays, if most of your driving is around towns, even if you are in your car for hours, the distance travelled is not as great as you may think.
Wonderful looking car and great to see an electric jag....But. Is it too wide for London and narrow country lanes? Looks too wide for 6 6 width restrictions and v tight on a 7 foot one. Turning circle do just under 12 m makes u turns and parking more challenging. Base model does not inc the advanced safety tech you get on some 20k cars The Jag costs nearer 76k when you spec it to the level of a model S which would be cheaper and have air suspension and supercharging free if you are quick. I am an early reservation holder of the jag but still holding back. Probably will wait for my Tesla M3 or just got for the Niro electric. The Jag is ideal for the USA as long as you don’t need a long range. Why does it have such inefficient large wheels and tyres?
I get the feeling that it's only called an SUV because of the raised ground clearance, and equally it likely only has the ground clearance to make it easier to put a big battery skateboard into the floor (high driving position to slide it under). I also agree with Johnny's point at about 20:40 about EVs making the more exciting ICE cars feel better. I went from testing a Kona EV back to my Integra-R and literally laughed out loud when I clogged it, for the first time in weeks.
Great technology and very clever and you're right, a range of 200 miles would see me through a week of commuting. But their prices make them exclusive rather than attainable to an average family with an average income, even on a PCP. And by the time electric cars do depreciate enough and become available to second or third owners who will buy them once they're well outside of the manufacturers warranty? Anyone can fix or replace worn engine. How many people have the skills to fix or repair an electric motor? - most won't even fix a washing machine!
@4:38 ....apparently putting the cruise on..... ????? interrupted ... it sounded like important info to be imparted that I may need to know as I do this all the time . ...but now it appears I'll never know
Interesting review. Its patently a decent drive despite the weight , looks good and unlike its obvious competition is well screwed together. Id take issue with the point of getting into the routine of topping up at home, to me its completely unacceptable and is what will keep myself and the rest of the mainstream from these. Change it to hydrogen powered EV and it removes the main obstacle to these for the mainstream. That requires the refuelling network and hydrogen production of course.
"I bet I could buy a car with what's under that seat" That sounds like a recipe for a youtube video. Finding money, randomly, for three years or so, and then buying a cheap car from it. Kids had fun drawing on the ceiling, I see? Maybe Jaguar should add a comb to the options list. People buy cars based mostly on the way they look? Have you seen how much totally uninspiring Japanese shitboxes are on the road? Most people buy cars because of annual reliabilty stats and price I'm afraid. And as someone whose worst car was a young, low mileage Mitsubishi Colt I can tell you; If you're not average, te stats do not go for you. I relatively often drive 200 miles in one day, but not in one go. Usually that's two-way. It's a pity you HAVE to plan a stop. It would be so great if they just charged quicker with normal 230v outlets. It's OK to have a V8 much like it is OK to have a 25 year old car. There's not many. Yet more and more Dutch cities are prohibiting them from getting in. Just to make sure people spend money, I guess... That said, my main and really quarrel with electric cars is that I think shifting gears is part of the experience. I think another thing people don't understand; The more expensive electric cars are sold, the sooner we'll have 10.000 pound ones. It has to become a common good and that never starts off cheap.
For all petrol heads.. I'm sure its possible to add any exhaust roar type to the audio system to get their fix. Just imagine a Lamborghini roar inside but silence for the public outside - share bliss.
On personalised blowing: my Passat GTE automatically adjusts to Eco mode if the passenger seat is unoccupied. Unfortunately, the boot locking mechanism has failed, so swings and roundabouts...
We are witnessing the dawn of the Electric car, with only approx 10 years of mainstream production that is now equal and surpassing over a hundred years of ICE as each new electric model is released. Be it pure electric or a combination of Hydrogen Electric with ultra capacitors in support the electric car is here to stay. Well done to all these early pioneers of anything electric be it home solar, wind or the connected home, please keep the momentum going as all of us including the environment and our descendants will benefit from this technology.
I agree completely about the "You've got to try it", I was looking at the Aston Martin DBX concept at an event and a double-barreled type gentleman said he wasn't interested because it was electric. I said "there goes someone who has never driven a Tesla" and I was right.
It's worth knowing that the iPace is only £400 down and £400 a month. That's a bargain! So that part of the video is wrong. Very wrong. This is affordable in comparison to a Tesla.
End this stupid subscription service to use a specific companies chargers & allow people to use an open national network on a pay-as-you-charge basis. You wouldn't subscribe to just one petrol company to supply your fueI, I don't recall ever having to register my details with Shell before they would allow me any fuel?
Is it just me or should epace be called ipace and the ipace called epace, they are the wrong way round. I know why they are the way round they are, it’s just wrong the electric car is ipace and the non electric is epace.
If they cannot get the electrics in their fossil cars right why would you buy pure electric??? You will spend half your time in service for software updates. Looks good but!
Well done Jag. Great car, will sell well. Electric cars not for me though. They only really work as a lease car as short life and the environment claims are nonsense. It will be the future no doubt.
So, when the whole world is charging electric cars and the powerstations can't cope and send even more crap into the air, or go bang......Maybe you should have kept your Diesel Mondeo, I'll be keeping mine ;)
Mac0666 you’re quite misinformed about consumption and statistics: even if all the electricity was produced by fossils the balance would be in favour of evs due to their bigger efficiency. The impact has been already calculated. Btw have you ever seen all the petrol and diesel cars filling up on the same day together? And did you know that to refine oil into petrol requires lot of electricity itself? Don’t worry, lots of people don’t know enough about evs yet. I learned and turned upside down my opinions in the last 2 years.
I can't believe that some TV executive still hasn't handed over a large bag of pound coins and put this on telly.
Didn’t Jonny literally announce the car himself? “I’ve been to the factory”. Understatement par excellence.
Bloomin’ brilliant. The Jag is, sadly, way beyond my budget (we lease a Kia Soul EV to complement my old “hobby” car) but it’s a real glimpse of the future. Great that they’ve embraced the design freedoms afforded by the different drivetrain. Even ignoring the eco/air quality considerations, EVs are simply going to be better cars for most people in the real world. Better packaged, more pleasant to drive, more reliable etc. Your observations about real-world convenience are spot on. Off-street parking is the most critical thing but, providing you have that, then perceived “issues” about range, charge time and charging infrastructure simply don’t bear out in reality. Most journeys are short, home charging is quick because you’re usually just “topping up” rather than staring from empty, and stopping for a coffee break and a wee on a very long motorway journey is hardy an inconvenience. Yes, construction processes and battery tech aren’t exactly “green” yet - but the best way to promote investment in these technologies is to create demand for them. If there’s market demand for better batteries, then batteries will get better. Worried about emissions “at the power station”? Fair point, but at least there’s the possibility of using renewable energy sources, which doesn’t exist if you’re burning petrol/diesel directly in the engine. And, in the meantime, we get vastly improved air quality (and less noise) in densely populated areas. What’s not to like?
B G interesting, but id say quite a bit , i don’t want to have to adapt to plugging the thing in overnight, i don’t want have to plan every journey and think wheres the next charge is coming from and adjust accordingly. The thought of having to get out cables and open the garage to gain access to power when it’s dark or raining is just not acceptable and having to reverse the process when departing , no thanks. A major step backwards in practicality which keeps the mainstream away. The actual charging network (others aspects aside) is not even remotely close to being extensive enough to be practical. Opinions
Mark Roberts Hi Mark, obviously we all have different situations and expectations, so I can only talk to my own experiences. I didn't buy (or rather, lease) an EV through any particular desire to own one or to "save the planet" - the Kia simply seemed to present a good solution to our family needs at a good price. I was very surprised to find that many of the concerns I had prior to ownership proved not to be an issue in reality. Again, the caveat being that everyone has different needs/circumstances. In response to your specific points: PLANNING EVERY JOURNEY - Is "every" journey you do over 100 miles (or 200 miles, if we're talking about a newer EV)? Journey planning is only a concern if you're expecting to travel beyond the range of the car. How frequently you will exceed that distance depends on your circumstances, but we find the vast majority of our trips are easily within range, and we're lucky enough to have access to a second car if we do need to go further. Most longer trips will include a stretch of motorway, and every motorway services now has charging points, plus there's a handy app called "Zap Map" which makes it easy to find a charge point along your route. Interestingly, in 12 months of EV ownership, we've charged the car away from home a grand total of TWO times. One of those occasions was purely to see how it worked, and the other was a planned stop at a services. GETTING OUT CABLES - If you have off-street parking, you will probably choose to have a 7kw charge point installed at home (they're faster and safer than using a 3-pin plug, and cost from around £200 installed). These can have a "tethered" cable permanently attached or you can just leave a cable attached and secure it with a lock. Similarly, the fast chargers you'll find at services etc. have cables attached. It's therefore very rare that you'll ever have to get your own cable out of the car. Plugging the cable into your car is no more difficult that inserting a petrol pump into a filler (and, bonus, you don't have to stand there holding the handle). OPENING THE GARAGE DOOR - In most cases you'll be able to install a charge point on the outside of your property/garage - so there's no need to open the garage door. Plugging in when you get home takes seconds - honestly, it's no inconvenience at all - and soon becomes second nature. EXTENT OF CHARGING NETWORK - It's pretty extensive, and growing all the time (check out www.zap-map.com). The biggest issue is not a lack of chargers, it's the lack of standardisation (need to create multiple user accounts, download various apps, use different payment methods etc). That really needs to be sorted, so that you can just roll up to any charger and present a contactless card. I'm sure we'll get there... The key point is that any concerns about the charging network are only relevant if you're actually charging the car away from home. Some drivers will obviously need to do that regularly and will need to decide whether they're happy to stop along their route for a coffee and a charge. I suspect that a lot of people (like myself) would be surprised at how infrequently they'll actually need to rely on public charge points. That reliance will become even less as battery range increases. You mention that you "don't want to have to adapt". The funny thing is, whenever I stop at fuel station in our second car these days, and stand there in the cold, holding a grubby pump handle whilst inhaling petrol fumes and watching the £££ tick over at an alarming rate, I can't help feeling that it all seems very archaic and inconvenient compared to just plugging in a cable when I get home. I guess I've adapted :)
Brilliant episode. The only thing more relaxing than driving an electric vehicle is sitting down in a comfy wingback with a cup of tea and settling down to watch the latest Smith & Sniff video.
Has Smith lost his licence? He never gets to drive! Though with those Valentino Rossi eyes he should be able to intimidate Mr Porter any day.
I heard a lot of tyre noise. Perhaps 18 inch wheels are better.
Very good, practical, pragmatic conversation thanks.
I thought their comments about the V8 becoming a hobby in the same way a horse is now, makes the best argument for an EV that I've ever heard.
I have a Jaguar i-Pace on order and my thinking about EV range is this - When I think about my weekly use of a vehicle, I drive less than 20 miles / 30 kms per day to / from work. In a Mon-Fri week I generally drive approx. 200 miles. I might drive 300 miles or 500 kms in a day, 2-3 times a year, so "range anxiety" is more like "range paranoia". In my opinion it will take very little adjustment in my life to accommodate an EV and it will make a nice change from making the oil companies rich.
The second point is, I plug in my smartphone, my smart watch, my computer to charge overnight. Why is it such a shift to plug in my EV a couple of times a week and make sure it's fully charged (no pun intended Jonny) on a Friday night.
I am glad this channel came up as a suggestion. I have way watched Jonny on 5th gear, fully charged and now this. By far you and Sniff have a really good way to present. Best team I have seen for a car show. Subbed and looking forward to the next review
The E-Pace and the I-Pace are built on the same production line, and they can vary the product mix on-demand. And Jag have just bought a contract for another 55,000 i-Pace's worth of batteries a year. Presumably for the electric XJ and their many plug-in hybrids.
I'd like to also point out that since this one has 4.5sec 0-60, it is comparable to F-Pace SVR 5.0L V8 which costs more (£72000+). So it is not that expensive. But for some reason everyone is comparing I-pace to small diesel hatchbacks and "Oh! Look how expensive it is!"
That's because it looks like one
I do like the idea of an electric car as a daily. Use it for the commute, possibly the odd 100-mile each way run, and have a cheap snotter for fun. Realistically, as leccy cars get more common and insurance gets more palatable, I think that'll be a thing.
It'll probably mean higher tax and insurance for a big six or a V8 or a bonkers V12 if you have the guts for it (an old Jag, perhaps...) but if it's a toy, then it's a toy and it's worth it for the fun it gives.
I currently pootle about in an E46 330 - if I could pick up an electric Focus/Fiesta/etc for a couple of grand, I'd happily use that for daily stuff, and keep the BMW for the weekends when I want to pop and crackle on the overrun with the roof down on the Yorkshire Dales.
When they both start trying to look at the wheels, while sat in the car travelling along at "some" speed was hilarious 😂
Came across this by accident but love the format, an invite to a conversation between two chaps that obviously get on well, that it about cars is not that important.
Nice review. But just one cliché we need to bury once and for all : "Electric cars use more battery when they go faster" ... ANY vehicle on earth uses up it's energy faster when it moves faster... it has nothing to do with it being battery electrically driven or by an internal or external combustion engine, or by nuclear power. It has to do with drag increasing exponentially with speed. So yes, gas cars consume the same amount more at higher speeds... people just don't notice because they pay so little attention at their consumption. Try it,... fill your tank up and do the same route at 80kph, then try the same again at 140kph...
Frederic Borloo I don’t use 2 or 3 times more at 100 like I would with an electric car.
Ok. You just demonstrated just how badly people are informed. Thanks for making my point.
The drop off in range is far more pronounced for electric vehicles than ICE cars - as comparison to the links below show. It's not a cliche - I drive both and the effect is real. The range of electric cars actually correlates well to the square law increase in air drag (sidenote - it's not exponential) very well as it is near 100% efficient engine. Because combustion engine is at best 30% efficient - but depends on rpm - and the rest heat loss then link to air drag is less obvious - except at the highest speeds (above 60).
www.quora.com/Can-electric-cars-get-more-range-if-driven-more-slowly
www.mpgforspeed.com/
bbbf09 Yes, aerodynamic drag increases with speed squared, so not exponentially if you want to be correct in your wording. But if you express the consumption as an amount of energy per distance, although aerodynamic drag increases as the square of speed (interestingly, rolling resistance doesn't. It's pretty much linear), the energy per distance increases linearly (almost) with speed. Basically, the increase in drag is "compensated" by the fact that you are travelling more distance per time. The only way EV consumption would be worse than ICE is because battery capacity decreases somewhat at higher discharge rates. I will look into the links you sent me. Thanks for that. But I do hope we can at least agree on the fact that the air you drive through and the road you drive on is not aware of the drivetrain you have or the way you store energy. Aerodynamic and rolling resistance are thus the same given the same shape and size of car. (Same CdA, same tire loading and contact patch size).
Frederico you 100% right, I first learnt this decade ago when I was stuck in Toronto with less gas than I usually use in the tank and needed to get home 50 KM away. So instead of taking the highway my brother and I drove at 60 KM/H taking care to time the stop lights so we rarely had to stop. And to our surprise we arrived home using only half the gas.
When I go to the States I now insist on going the speed limit in the slow lane since if I drive like the manic I see all the time I would use twice the gas.
I don't particularly enjoy these videos, yet I keep watching them one after the other, knowing full well that I'm wasting my time.
Who has had their fingers all over that roof?
I always think fingerprints on the roof lining suggests someone's been dogging.
I'm gonna blame rich for this, I recall him and a chum getting very obsessed over the door bin linings of an S6 once. Lots of tactile interaction. Filth.
Those Go Pros don't attach themselves, you know
More to the point why does the roof not open on a luxury car?
It keeps all the nastiness out. Open-roof cars negate the purpose of all that clean-air cabin filtration.
It's 2023 and I'm in Canberra, Australia. I still couldn't bring myself to risk a pure EV. We just don't have the infrastrucure here. I'd be watching the charge/mileage ticking down, freaking out. In a way I'm glad the Aus Gov is holding back on the ultimatums to date.
200 actual range is plenty, I only do a big drive a couple of times a year, so for that I can hire an ICE vehicle and for the other 360 odd I can enjoy trundling around in an EV.
feels weird recognising the scenery in the background haha!
Just came home to Stansted and this video autoplays!! What a weird coincidence!
Man I really really love this review of this I-PACE you guys are like a BritCom from the BBC or ITV. Sorry but you guys conversation is informative but hilarious. Like it's a bit Soviet on the outside. LoL😂👍🏾 But I missed when you put the cruise control on does it burn more range. In the US we need the range like my round trip could be 165 miles a trip because of rural areas and suburbs. The range has to get up there for the American market. Thanks for a great review. 😀👍🏾
The USA version has air springs so they can raise the centre of gravity and roll them over in their dash cam TH-cam videos
Love the red seats. My guess is that Jaguar will be scrambling to keep up with demand. Their problem might be battery production in volume. Any 200 mile range electric car seems to be on high demand - -Kia Nero, Hyundai, Model 3.. you name it. Customers want electric cars the world over.
It's true that ICE cars will become a hobby for enthusiasts but eventually the fuel will become difficult to find because no demand will mean no supply and counter intuitively it will become expensive. Not to mention, petrol particularly, cannot be stored in quantity at home and refuelling stations will disappear. Then spare parts will go out of production.
The real reason of the delays on deliveries is that they are trying to sort out some software problems on the charging system. Those guys at Jaguar are working overtime to sort this out.
When I first learnt to drive my uncle told me there was no speed limit on the M6 toll.... my Ford Puma could do 130mph; glad I found that he was a liar before I got caught and banned!
19.40. It's always amazed me how many people are convinced that they only spend 5 minutes when they stop at a filling station, especially at a motorway services. As Richard said, he was stopped for 1 hour. It would also be interesting if people kept a record of the actual distance they regularly drive every day. They may be surprised. Nowadays, if most of your driving is around towns, even if you are in your car for hours, the distance travelled is not as great as you may think.
Wonderful looking car and great to see an electric jag....But.
Is it too wide for London and narrow country lanes?
Looks too wide for 6 6 width restrictions and v tight on a 7 foot one.
Turning circle do just under 12 m makes u turns and parking more challenging.
Base model does not inc the advanced safety tech you get on some 20k cars
The Jag costs nearer 76k when you spec it to the level of a model S which would be cheaper and have air suspension and supercharging free if you are quick.
I am an early reservation holder of the jag but still holding back. Probably will wait for my Tesla M3 or just got for the Niro electric.
The Jag is ideal for the USA as long as you don’t need a long range.
Why does it have such inefficient large wheels and tyres?
Great video thanks for sharing
I get the feeling that it's only called an SUV because of the raised ground clearance, and equally it likely only has the ground clearance to make it easier to put a big battery skateboard into the floor (high driving position to slide it under).
I also agree with Johnny's point at about 20:40 about EVs making the more exciting ICE cars feel better. I went from testing a Kona EV back to my Integra-R and literally laughed out loud when I clogged it, for the first time in weeks.
Hey look that's Jonny Smith.
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Very nice review. Not sure about the letterbox slots in the back of the front seats though. Clearly not for the prisoner transfer market.
0:37 looked like a scene from brookside!
Great technology and very clever and you're right, a range of 200 miles would see me through a week of commuting. But their prices make them exclusive rather than attainable to an average family with an average income, even on a PCP. And by the time electric cars do depreciate enough and become available to second or third owners who will buy them once they're well outside of the manufacturers warranty? Anyone can fix or replace worn engine. How many people have the skills to fix or repair an electric motor? - most won't even fix a washing machine!
Great points made well.
Love the Mark Webber part 😂😂😂
So right ! all car lovers ! Hobby car !
Everytime I see a stylophone I can only think of Rolf Harris !!!!!!!!
Yup exactly the same ,then a feeling of disgust falls over me....... Jonny was quite good with it eventually though lol
@4:38 ....apparently putting the cruise on..... ?????
interrupted ... it sounded like important info to be imparted that I may need to know as I do this all the time . ...but now it appears I'll never know
This happens in almost every episode.
Can we have a different electric tune played by Smith every week?
Cheapest new Tesla Model S in the UK is £68,300 for a Model S 75D
It's a Jaguar so you know it's reliable! 😂
Did you manage to get the bogey out at 25:38?
Does it have a Growler or Leaper on the steering wheel?
The only thing that worries me about having a EV is the unexpected journeys
Interesting review. Its patently a decent drive despite the weight , looks good and unlike its obvious competition is well screwed together. Id take issue with the point of getting into the routine of topping up at home, to me its completely unacceptable and is what will keep myself and the rest of the mainstream from these. Change it to hydrogen powered EV and it removes the main obstacle to these for the mainstream. That requires the refuelling network and hydrogen production of course.
"I bet I could buy a car with what's under that seat"
That sounds like a recipe for a youtube video.
Finding money, randomly, for three years or so, and then buying a cheap car from it.
Kids had fun drawing on the ceiling, I see?
Maybe Jaguar should add a comb to the options list.
People buy cars based mostly on the way they look?
Have you seen how much totally uninspiring Japanese shitboxes are on the road?
Most people buy cars because of annual reliabilty stats and price I'm afraid.
And as someone whose worst car was a young, low mileage Mitsubishi Colt I can tell you; If you're not average, te stats do not go for you.
I relatively often drive 200 miles in one day, but not in one go. Usually that's two-way.
It's a pity you HAVE to plan a stop. It would be so great if they just charged quicker with normal 230v outlets.
It's OK to have a V8 much like it is OK to have a 25 year old car. There's not many.
Yet more and more Dutch cities are prohibiting them from getting in.
Just to make sure people spend money, I guess...
That said, my main and really quarrel with electric cars is that I think shifting gears is part of the experience.
I think another thing people don't understand; The more expensive electric cars are sold, the sooner we'll have 10.000 pound ones.
It has to become a common good and that never starts off cheap.
Yep i agree with others its going to be a kia NIRO the affordable i-pace.
For all petrol heads.. I'm sure its possible to add any exhaust roar type to the audio system to get their fix. Just imagine a Lamborghini roar inside but silence for the public outside - share bliss.
Dave The fab what a bizarre idea
Not built in Birmingham, more simple mechanical bits, the first reliable JLR?
If I could afford a wierdy beardy car, I might get one of these.
Is it the way it was recorded?
But the road tire noise seems loud.
On personalised blowing: my Passat GTE automatically adjusts to Eco mode if the passenger seat is unoccupied.
Unfortunately, the boot locking mechanism has failed, so swings and roundabouts...
Nailed it.
I think car makers are building ever more squat SUV's till they basically become Estates.
The roof line is pure Opel/Vauxhall Astra G.
We are witnessing the dawn of the Electric car, with only approx 10 years of mainstream production that is now equal and surpassing over a hundred years of ICE as each new electric model is released. Be it pure electric or a combination of Hydrogen Electric with ultra capacitors in support the electric car is here to stay. Well done to all these early pioneers of anything electric be it home solar, wind or the connected home, please keep the momentum going as all of us including the environment and our descendants will benefit from this technology.
I agree completely about the "You've got to try it", I was looking at the Aston Martin DBX concept at an event and a double-barreled type gentleman said he wasn't interested because it was electric. I said "there goes someone who has never driven a Tesla" and I was right.
Tesla Model S starts from around £70k not late £50ks....
Jesus I dodnt recognize Johnny there
BOND CAR?
just sayin'
Magna-Steyr built my year 2000 Mercedes ML270 Cdi. It was no better built than the US built ones. That means 'pretty badly built'.
It's worth knowing that the iPace is only £400 down and £400 a month. That's a bargain! So that part of the video is wrong. Very wrong. This is affordable in comparison to a Tesla.
But will it fall in resale value as fast as all the other Jag products? Cause Jags fall in value like dead birds attached to lead weights.
Ice hobbyists 😂
There's too much road noise in the car, doubtless accentuated by the lack of engine noise. That rules it out for me.
Paul Sandberg mics pick up different sounds to the human ear, they make everything sound noisy.
Elon musk needs to step away from the Twitter - oh how true that is 5 years later and how much he hasn’t changed one bit
End this stupid subscription service to use a specific companies chargers & allow people to use an open national network on a pay-as-you-charge basis. You wouldn't subscribe to just one petrol company to supply your fueI, I don't recall ever having to register my details with Shell before they would allow me any fuel?
Channel should be called sniff and a little Smith. Let smith talk more.
No, don't
Is it just me or should epace be called ipace and the ipace called epace, they are the wrong way round. I know why they are the way round they are, it’s just wrong the electric car is ipace and the non electric is epace.
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If they cannot get the electrics in their fossil cars right why would you buy pure electric??? You will spend half your time in service for software updates. Looks good but!
Well done Jag. Great car, will sell well. Electric cars not for me though. They only really work as a lease car as short life and the environment claims are nonsense. It will be the future no doubt.
So, when the whole world is charging electric cars and the powerstations can't cope and send even more crap into the air, or go bang......Maybe you should have kept your Diesel Mondeo, I'll be keeping mine ;)
Mac0666 you’re quite misinformed about consumption and statistics: even if all the electricity was produced by fossils the balance would be in favour of evs due to their bigger efficiency. The impact has been already calculated. Btw have you ever seen all the petrol and diesel cars filling up on the same day together? And did you know that to refine oil into petrol requires lot of electricity itself? Don’t worry, lots of people don’t know enough about evs yet. I learned and turned upside down my opinions in the last 2 years.