Hi guys, today I want to share Some Things I Don't Understand About Finland And Finns. These are some Weird And Surprising Things Finnish People Do. 🤔. I would love to know your thoughts on these things in the comments section. 😊
As a dog owner ..and this IS a message to My fellow Finns too.. most of us really appreciate those cycklers WHO give a little warning when they approach from behind. That gives us time to get them on shorter leash. I always say thank you to any cyckler WHO rings The Bell 👍
This "personal space" is only mental. While those bikes and strollers pass you, it might look rude but deep inside they just dont want to make you feel disturbed. Everytime I ring that bell I'll think in my head: I'm sorry :(. You can test this. Block passage at store with your friends, just have good time there and see how they stand there waiting and saying nothing until you give some space to slip by.
I think people somehow think it's rude to use the bell or honk and also you don't want to draw attention to yourself, as you probably know, Finns don't usually like that😄
I was taught to use the bell, if someone blocks the way or seem like they might. I was also taught to walk on right side of the road and pass from the left. I don't bike at all, but I used to do that quite often when I was younger. I don't know the actual custom, but I assume others have heard similar kind of things from their parents as well. I also think I used less bell when I got older. It also depends where you live.
Yes! And these days most bikes come from both right and left. It depends alot on the city and ofcourse the other people using the road and whether they stay on their lane or not.
@@ImmigrationLawLivinginFinland The traffic rules are the same all over the country. What is different, is what kind of infrastructure there is for cycling. But I agree that different areas also have different traffic culture. Rural areas, villages and even smaller towns don't have much traffic, so people don't see so much use for more organized traffic. In more populated areas cycleways are busy, so most people understand that risks are bigger and the need for follow common rules is easier to understand. "Joined cycleway and pavement Ride on a joined cycleway and pavement like on a cycleway. Take pedestrians into account and give them safe space to move. If necessary, ring a bell, when you intend to overtake. " pyoraliitto.fi/en/traffic-rules-for-cyclists
Long time ago, when there was less traffic, people used bells more to warn others that they are passing. Perhaps because there often now is so many bikes and pedestrians, they don't feel it so useful to be ringing all the time. Having pedestrians and cyclist using same lanes is a problem. In many municipalities they are trying to invest in building or separating different lanes. That is difficult, since there often isn't enough room for additional lanes and it is also very expensive.
@@ImmigrationLawLivinginFinland one part of the problem is that many cyclists seem to think that they don't really have to follow or even have traffic rules. They don't care to stay away from sidewalks, which are often just for pedestrians. And accidents do happen, but mostly situations are just close calls. There may also be relevant cultural differences in different cyclist groups. In larger towns electric 🛴 are a nuisance.
Thank you for expressing your point of view. This was an interesting watch for me as a half-Nigerian & half-Finn. My own insight on some of the points that you brought up so buckle up this is gonna be a long one: First of all, the bicycle thing. I totally get what you mean and honestly it annoys me so much. Especially the ones that just turbo speed through the streets. Though I do get what some people mean by saying that using the bell might cause an accident in itself. I also think that a part of the reason why finns avoid using the bell is because we don't like to draw unnecessary attention to ourselves. The only time we seem to use it is when there are so much people in our way that we can't get through and they just don't seem to notice us otherwise. People should definitely use the bell more often but I think the key is to do it while you're still at an appropriate distance from the pedestrians so that they have enough time to turn around without getting startled, locate the cyclist and safely move out of the way before the cyclist passes them. I'm pretty sure that the reason why you see some people be quiet at first and then actually turning out to be really talkative, is just simply because of the "no small-talk" culture. A person can be very outgoing, talkative and extroverted, but they still won't talk unless they actually have something to say that they feel is worthwhile enough to express. And yes, we LOVE our privacy but when we're in a sauna, our "private" parts just aren't included in that category. The way we see it, it's just a naked body and we all have one, nothing sexual about it. The naked body only becomes sexual in a sexual setting/situation. I think it can be compared to some guys being confused as to why women feel completely comfortable wearing a bikini at the beach, but wouldn't feel as comfortable walking down the street in their underwear. It's all about the context. Now, I agree with you to an extent on the "minding your own business going too far" part. I think it's terrible how in certain situations where a person clearly needs help people just quickly walk past pretending they didn't see it and hope that the next person will be brave enough to intervene. Again I think part of it is again due to finns usually having a strong fear of public embarrassment and drawing too much attention to themselves. Especially if they're by themselves. But in my experience usually at some point someone does intervene if the situation seems worrying enough. Though just seeing a child alone outside shouldn't raise any concern unless the child is visibly in distress (in the middle of downtown New York maybe, but not here). Can't really say much about the bus incident though except for the fact that it's very unfortunate how no one felt the need or knew how to intervene. The next part however, in my view highlights some key cultural differences between Finland and many other countries. Now I'm not an expert on the cultures and ways of child rearing around the world, but there are some observations I have made while growing up with a Nigerian parent and spending parts of my childhood in a foreign country (not Nigeria). I'm probably reiterating things that you already know, but just to emphasize my point; Finnish society and culture is at it's very core based on honesty and trust. I think it's safe to say that the majority of Finnish people see nothing wrong with kids being involved in an age-appropriate relationship, and the assumed romantic relationship that you presented here sounds very age-appropriate to me. When we see something like that in public we assume that their parents know where they are and what they're doing. We obviously aren't born being honest, trustworthy and independent. As children we are shaped to be that way by how we are treated by our parents, teachers, law enforcement, and society as a whole. In Finland, rules such as not being allowed to be alone with a person of the opposite sex, or not being allowed to date before 16, 18, 21 etc. are mostly viewed as kind of old fashioned, silly, puritanical (with also rules of this nature tending to only be directed towards the girls, not the boys) and most of all, counterintuitive. When you lead by example by creating an environment where you give children the appropriate amount of space, independence, responsibility, privacy and freedom for their stage of development, and show them that you trust them to make the right decisions, in most cases they will take note of that and be more willing to co-operate with figures of authority by being more open, honest and willing to listen and actually take what you have to say into consideration. The worst behaving kids (and the ones who seem to also have developed an expertise in lying & going behind their parent's back) I have ever encountered in my life have all been from very strict and/or overprotective households where the kids are not treated as adults-to-be with distinct personalities of their own but as incapable and incognizant little humans that cannot be trusted and therefore need to be watched over and controlled at all times all the way up until their late teens. In my experience, if you don't give people a reason to lie to you, they won't. And this is what shines through to me when it comes to Finnish society & culture specifically.
As an addendum to what has been already said, people start to pay more attention to their surrounding happenings when someone yells for help. Reason: it is codified in the law.
You're always giving me tips to prepare me for my plan to live in Finland soon, am always jotting down things to do and things not to do when I get there. Honestly it's really really different from back home Nigeria and life here in Malaysia 😊😂
When people move long distances and culturally different environments, what is purpose of such a big change? Surely you don't make a big change just to find out that really not much has changed? So, aren't the big differences the whole point of moving. But you rarely get to choose just some changes, differences you like, and leave out the rest. So, if the change seems very very large, and demanding, one should think carefully, if that is what she or he can handle. To be or to become a person with feets in two very different cultures can become difficult. Having a feeling that you are an outsider on both groups is not uncommon. It offers unique insights, but can feel difficult.
I would really like the culture of sounding a horn or ringing a bell before you are passing someone to become a thing in Finland, especially in the lanes shared by bicycles and pedestrians. Unfortunately as it is, in Finland sounding the horn is pretty much the equivalent of raising the middle finger.
@@ImmigrationLawLivinginFinland it is often only old people who use the bell on bicycles. What part of finland do you live? There are a lot of differences in places too. Im finnish and I could not live in many parts of finland bc the culture is too different. My family comes from karelia, eastern finland and I grew up in helsinki. I can't stand heavy metal (when I was a teenager I used to listen to it but not anymore), i don't drink coffee at all so I'm a bit of an odd person there, maybe that's why I live outside of finland.:) I also interfere if I see something wrong happening. I don't understand why most adults don't do anything if they see kids fighting for example. I think it is partly because ppl are kinda afraid, or they don't know how to act on that situation. I think they are pussies. My mother always goes to middle of situations if someone is not nice. Once when I was a little boy (like 4-5yo) I saw some drunk "bad boys" swearing, and I ran to my mom and told her that the men are saying naughty words, and my mom walk up to the guys and started lecturing them about not talking like that when there's children around, and the guys almost shit their pants and stopped swearing.:)
If private space is valued and expected to respected by others, or else... then there has to be specific situations where the norms have to be different. Finland has been thousands of years a poor country, where large families had to live together. People had to rely on each other to survive. Not everyone had houses or saunas. The only clean and warm space might have been the sauna. It was not possible to have separate saunas for everyone. I let you to translate this: Kyläsauna tai ison maatalon koko väen yhteinen sauna oli käytössä välttämätöntä. Ajat ovat muuttuneet, mutta saunan henkinen ja rituaalin omaiset arvot ovat säilyneet.
Privacy and being naked are completely different things. I can be naked in the sauna with people but I don't want them climbing on top of me. With clothes on I don't want people come and rub themselves against me. Other point: what did you expect the cameraman to do? 11-12 year old kids can be kissy and huggy. It's not against the law. If there other is forcing kisses then sure, but if they are clearly in a relationship, why would you intervene?
That is EXACTLY what I mean; This kind of thinking. That’s the Finnishness am talking about. Being naked with a stranger and still enjoying your privacy. Only a Finn can have that kind of mentality. 🧡
And about 11 year old kissing in the corner of a store at about 9pm in the evening, I don’t expect anything from the camera man. Like i said in the video it is not his problem. But as per whether the kissing is wrong or right, then i have one question for you: ”Would you want your 11 year old daughter to be in the corner at 9pm kissing a boy?”. Simple as that.
@@ImmigrationLawLivinginFinland If I have knowledge of the boy and am aware that they like eachother, I wouldn't have a problem. If it was done in secret, then I'd have a chat with both of them. 9pm I would assume my kid to be home at that age or in some cases at a sleepover at a friends place.
Long time ago I was attending a IT seminar or something in US. I was sitting in the first row. Next to me was sitting a very quiet, a kind of sleepy, cray kind of guy. But then the host introduced the next speaker: Whitfield Diffie. The guy next to me went though a immediate transformation. What was a quiet, cray and dull, turned to brilliance. When he got up to stage, he was very different. He was the brilliant lively talking expert talking about something he had superior understanding delivering a clear message to the audience. If you don't know Whitfield Diffie, here is a link en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whitfield_Diffie
That is why it is important never to look down or belittle anyone, or even judge instantly. Im definitely going to read more about him. He sounds like an interesting scholar.
a finnish person here just dropping by. In my few years that I've lived here in Oulu, I have intervened three times in someone else's situation; first one was years ago, i was doing some light shopping in the town centre when I saw this clearly drunken guy just laying in the middle of the center street, in front of the mall "Valkea", everybody just passing by and i was astounded that nobody batted an eye for this guy, till i started speaking out loud that should someone call somewhere for this guy and this old man; goes oh yeah, police or ambulance? after a while, i cant remember which they called but help arrived and the guy seemed to be somewhat okay. Second time was maybe 2 weeks ago when I was going to the store to buy something to eat. There were this group of kids playing in the ditch, apparently digging snowtunnels (best thing as a kid) but they were trying to make one through this drainage pipe which goes under the road to connect the two trenches. I stopped and went with a clear loud tone that they could hear me; Are you kids seriously trying to make a tunnel in the pipe, that might be dangerous, it would be better to play somewhere else. The kids looked at me, then eachother all quiet. I dont know if they stopped playing there but i felt that something had to be said (we had an incident in primary school where a kid got trapped inside a snowtunnel, it was horrible). Third time was when I was having a night out with few friends in a park near town centre last summer. We were drinking and playing music, there was other people too, Suddenly these 2 young, maybe 7-9 year old girls come from the playarea to the center of the park to play near the fountain, nothing out of the ordinary there. Suddenly they start drinking the water out of the fountain and nobody said anything so i yelled at them to stop drinking that it is very possible that the water is dirty and unhealthy for you. They stopped and continued to play in the playarea. I had to comeback, i remember this in the shower :D I think part of the "mind ur own business" thing reflect on this "sisu" attidude, that u should be able to do and figure stuff on your own. Also, when around fins, to experiment kind of; listen to them and make note everytime someone describes something with the adjective "KOVA" it translates to as "tough/hard" i hear it everywhere: tämä kappale on kova, sää oot kova pelaan, vastustajat oli kovia, tää on kova juttu. for example. I get that in the past, Finland has a rough history, when indeed, everything was tough=kova. that word alone sums the mindset of people here.
Finns do not drink as much alcohol as you think. In Europe Moldova, Russia and Belarus are leading. Finland is in The middle. Forinstance UK, Germany, France, Belgium, Estonia, Ireland etc. are far ahead of Finland on alcoholconsumption. Just watch The video "Country alcoholconsumption comparison."
Being naked, to us, has nothing to do with (mental) privacy in a way that nakedness is seen natural here. Like it's the most normal form for a person, so to speak- and nothing sexual about it. We are kinda primitive like this. 😊 Many Finns carry a gene that makes us prone to alcoholism. Maybe that explains something? In our "minding our business" I see similarity to the Japanese meiwaku-culture; we do not want to bother anyone. Speaking to strangers is not a part of our culture in general, and we think that people can handle their own business. I do agree that our society could use a bit more caring in general.
You make an excellent observation. It takes a village to raise a child, is not unknown in Finland either. But the legislation and the structure of social services and child care has definitely changed the situation and has some difficult problems. Childrens rights, which are based on the idea that the best interest of the child must always come first, have been implemented in ways that one has to be professional in that field to know what and by whom can be done if deeded. And at the same time there are requirements for adults to take action. This has created situation where you need to be police and social worker combined to safely step into some situations. Perhaps I exaggerate here, but sometimes it feels like it.
I think people dont use the bell because they dont want to bother anyone or draw attention to themselves. They also seem to think that they can drive past you smoothly and that they dont have any reason to warn you. I find it really upsetting and dangerous when I walk my dogs and someone drives their bike past me full speed because my dogs could be hit by the bike cause dogs dont walk in a straight line. But yes its pretty weird
Do know any Savonian people ? Stereotypes are not the whole truth, but they are not totaly baseless either: "The stereotypical Savonian is talkative, easy-going, jolly and humorous, occasionally even to an offensive excess. Traditionally, the Savonian people have often been considered as "sneaky" and "mendacious." However, recent research has shown that this infamy is largely due to misunderstandings caused by the traditional Savonian social indirectness." en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Savonian_people And as often is case in life, things are complex, since Savonian people are also a mixture of different historical influences and populations: "Savolainen kansa rakentuu siis kolmesta ”kerroksesta”: kantaväestöstä (”lappalaisia”), hämäläisistä ja karjalaisista." "Stereotyyppinen savolainen on puhelias, leppoisa, lupsakka ja humoristinen jopa vääräleukaisuuteen asti. Kielteisenä piirteenä savolaisiin liitetään kierous, joskin Anne-Maria Nupposen väitöstutkimuksen mukaan kyseessä ei ole varsinainen petollisuus[6]. Pikemminkin savolainen kiertely ja kaartelu asian ympärillä on usein tarkoitettu huumoriksi[6] tai kohteliaisuudeksi, tylyyden välttämiseksi" fi.wikipedia.org/wiki/Savolaiset
I totally understand & relate to some of the things you said. The naked aspects always leave me speechless..they want privacy &the main privacy is open lol. The kids fighting aspect l have not experienced that..though is strange too. Hope your family's are doing great?
We have been going to the sauna since we are like few months old so there isn't nothing too special about it for Finns. There is nothing sexual in it but it might be a place where people open up a bit more about their lives. I think it has historical aspects also, like someone said. Saunas were not that big before, so you had to fit big families inside the sauna, so people got used to it. But if you go to a swimming hall and to a sauna, people do not sit next to each other if there is space, so with strangers the privacy applies even in the sauna, if there's the opportunity for that. To be honest I didn't see it as a big deal if 11-years old are kissing. They wouldn't do it in front of their parents so it might seem a bit interesting that they will do it in public. I think it is still innocent even though it might look a bit much for adults. When I was in junior high it was not uncommon to see 13-14-years old kiss on the hallways etc, but then again they wouldn't probably do it in front of their parents. However, I think if 11-year old would kiss in the school hallways, the teachers would probably talk about it with their parents. The kids bullying thing was a bit weird and I think others should have said something also. But people do get involved. For example, TH-cam is full of videos (and I hate this culture) where youngsters annoy older people who are trying to scold them. Sometimes the elders are overreacting but usually not and the youngster are super annoying. And when I was a kid, sometimes people would comment or get involved, like when I cursed (f-word) in front of a store and I was maybe 9 years old. So, some people do get involved but I agree that there's a lot of situations when people don't want to get involved, they are putting the music on their headphones louder or then they are just waiting/hoping that the situation resolves itself, for example that the kids stop fighting.
Northern Finland they listen more heavy metal than in the South-Finland. In the norhern side they drink also more coffee than in the southernside. Alcohol drinking is on the same level in the south and in the north.
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Hi guys, today I want to share Some Things I Don't Understand About Finland And Finns. These are some Weird And Surprising Things Finnish People Do. 🤔. I would love to know your thoughts on these things in the comments section. 😊
As a dog owner ..and this IS a message to My fellow Finns too.. most of us really appreciate those cycklers WHO give a little warning when they approach from behind.
That gives us time to get them on shorter leash.
I always say thank you to any cyckler WHO rings The Bell 👍
This "personal space" is only mental. While those bikes and strollers pass you, it might look rude but deep inside they just dont want to make you feel disturbed. Everytime I ring that bell I'll think in my head: I'm sorry :(. You can test this. Block passage at store with your friends, just have good time there and see how they stand there waiting and saying nothing until you give some space to slip by.
I think people somehow think it's rude to use the bell or honk and also you don't want to draw attention to yourself, as you probably know, Finns don't usually like that😄
Yes! Thats true. Im sure that could be a reason too 😀
I was taught to use the bell, if someone blocks the way or seem like they might. I was also taught to walk on right side of the road and pass from the left. I don't bike at all, but I used to do that quite often when I was younger. I don't know the actual custom, but I assume others have heard similar kind of things from their parents as well. I also think I used less bell when I got older. It also depends where you live.
Yes! And these days most bikes come from both right and left. It depends alot on the city and ofcourse the other people using the road and whether they stay on their lane or not.
@@ImmigrationLawLivinginFinland
The traffic rules are the same all over the country. What is different, is what kind of infrastructure there is for cycling. But I agree that different areas also have different traffic culture. Rural areas, villages and even smaller towns don't have much traffic, so people don't see so much use for more organized traffic.
In more populated areas cycleways are busy, so most people understand that risks are bigger and the need for follow common rules is easier to understand.
"Joined cycleway and pavement
Ride on a joined cycleway and pavement like on a cycleway. Take pedestrians into account and give them safe space to move. If necessary, ring a bell, when you intend to overtake. " pyoraliitto.fi/en/traffic-rules-for-cyclists
Long time ago, when there was less traffic, people used bells more to warn others that they are passing. Perhaps because there often now is so many bikes and pedestrians, they don't feel it so useful to be ringing all the time.
Having pedestrians and cyclist using same lanes is a problem. In many municipalities they are trying to invest in building or separating different lanes. That is difficult, since there often isn't enough room for additional lanes and it is also very expensive.
I understand, and it would be wonderful if that can be achieved. 🤩
@@ImmigrationLawLivinginFinland one part of the problem is that many cyclists seem to think that they don't really have to follow or even have traffic rules.
They don't care to stay away from sidewalks, which are often just for pedestrians.
And accidents do happen, but mostly situations are just close calls. There may also be relevant cultural differences in different cyclist groups. In larger towns electric 🛴 are a nuisance.
Because Finns have a culture where it’s rude to disturb others bc maybe that person may not want to talk
Thank you for expressing your point of view. This was an interesting watch for me as a half-Nigerian & half-Finn.
My own insight on some of the points that you brought up so buckle up this is gonna be a long one:
First of all, the bicycle thing. I totally get what you mean and honestly it annoys me so much. Especially the ones that just turbo speed through the streets. Though I do get what some people mean by saying that using the bell might cause an accident in itself. I also think that a part of the reason why finns avoid using the bell is because we don't like to draw unnecessary attention to ourselves. The only time we seem to use it is when there are so much people in our way that we can't get through and they just don't seem to notice us otherwise. People should definitely use the bell more often but I think the key is to do it while you're still at an appropriate distance from the pedestrians so that they have enough time to turn around without getting startled, locate the cyclist and safely move out of the way before the cyclist passes them.
I'm pretty sure that the reason why you see some people be quiet at first and then actually turning out to be really talkative, is just simply because of the "no small-talk" culture. A person can be very outgoing, talkative and extroverted, but they still won't talk unless they actually have something to say that they feel is worthwhile enough to express. And yes, we LOVE our privacy but when we're in a sauna, our "private" parts just aren't included in that category. The way we see it, it's just a naked body and we all have one, nothing sexual about it. The naked body only becomes sexual in a sexual setting/situation. I think it can be compared to some guys being confused as to why women feel completely comfortable wearing a bikini at the beach, but wouldn't feel as comfortable walking down the street in their underwear. It's all about the context.
Now, I agree with you to an extent on the "minding your own business going too far" part. I think it's terrible how in certain situations where a person clearly needs help people just quickly walk past pretending they didn't see it and hope that the next person will be brave enough to intervene. Again I think part of it is again due to finns usually having a strong fear of public embarrassment and drawing too much attention to themselves. Especially if they're by themselves. But in my experience usually at some point someone does intervene if the situation seems worrying enough. Though just seeing a child alone outside shouldn't raise any concern unless the child is visibly in distress (in the middle of downtown New York maybe, but not here). Can't really say much about the bus incident though except for the fact that it's very unfortunate how no one felt the need or knew how to intervene. The next part however, in my view highlights some key cultural differences between Finland and many other countries. Now I'm not an expert on the cultures and ways of child rearing around the world, but there are some observations I have made while growing up with a Nigerian parent and spending parts of my childhood in a foreign country (not Nigeria).
I'm probably reiterating things that you already know, but just to emphasize my point; Finnish society and culture is at it's very core based on honesty and trust. I think it's safe to say that the majority of Finnish people see nothing wrong with kids being involved in an age-appropriate relationship, and the assumed romantic relationship that you presented here sounds very age-appropriate to me. When we see something like that in public we assume that their parents know where they are and what they're doing. We obviously aren't born being honest, trustworthy and independent. As children we are shaped to be that way by how we are treated by our parents, teachers, law enforcement, and society as a whole. In Finland, rules such as not being allowed to be alone with a person of the opposite sex, or not being allowed to date before 16, 18, 21 etc. are mostly viewed as kind of old fashioned, silly, puritanical (with also rules of this nature tending to only be directed towards the girls, not the boys) and most of all, counterintuitive. When you lead by example by creating an environment where you give children the appropriate amount of space, independence, responsibility, privacy and freedom for their stage of development, and show them that you trust them to make the right decisions, in most cases they will take note of that and be more willing to co-operate with figures of authority by being more open, honest and willing to listen and actually take what you have to say into consideration. The worst behaving kids (and the ones who seem to also have developed an expertise in lying & going behind their parent's back) I have ever encountered in my life have all been from very strict and/or overprotective households where the kids are not treated as adults-to-be with distinct personalities of their own but as incapable and incognizant little humans that cannot be trusted and therefore need to be watched over and controlled at all times all the way up until their late teens. In my experience, if you don't give people a reason to lie to you, they won't. And this is what shines through to me when it comes to Finnish society & culture specifically.
As an addendum to what has been already said, people start to pay more attention to their surrounding happenings when someone yells for help. Reason: it is codified in the law.
You're always giving me tips to prepare me for my plan to live in Finland soon, am always jotting down things to do and things not to do when I get there. Honestly it's really really different from back home Nigeria and life here in Malaysia 😊😂
When people move long distances and culturally different environments, what is purpose of such a big change?
Surely you don't make a big change just to find out that really not much has changed?
So, aren't the big differences the whole point of moving. But you rarely get to choose just some changes, differences you like, and leave out the rest.
So, if the change seems very very large, and demanding, one should think carefully, if that is what she or he can handle.
To be or to become a person with feets in two very different cultures can become difficult. Having a feeling that you are an outsider on both groups is not uncommon. It offers unique insights, but can feel difficult.
I would really like the culture of sounding a horn or ringing a bell before you are passing someone to become a thing in Finland, especially in the lanes shared by bicycles and pedestrians. Unfortunately as it is, in Finland sounding the horn is pretty much the equivalent of raising the middle finger.
Lol! So true 🤣.
@@ImmigrationLawLivinginFinland it is often only old people who use the bell on bicycles. What part of finland do you live? There are a lot of differences in places too. Im finnish and I could not live in many parts of finland bc the culture is too different. My family comes from karelia, eastern finland and I grew up in helsinki. I can't stand heavy metal (when I was a teenager I used to listen to it but not anymore), i don't drink coffee at all so I'm a bit of an odd person there, maybe that's why I live outside of finland.:)
I also interfere if I see something wrong happening. I don't understand why most adults don't do anything if they see kids fighting for example. I think it is partly because ppl are kinda afraid, or they don't know how to act on that situation. I think they are pussies. My mother always goes to middle of situations if someone is not nice. Once when I was a little boy (like 4-5yo) I saw some drunk "bad boys" swearing, and I ran to my mom and told her that the men are saying naughty words, and my mom walk up to the guys and started lecturing them about not talking like that when there's children around, and the guys almost shit their pants and stopped swearing.:)
If private space is valued and expected to respected by others, or else... then there has to be specific situations where the norms have to be different.
Finland has been thousands of years a poor country, where large families had to live together. People had to rely on each other to survive. Not everyone had houses or saunas. The only clean and warm space might have been the sauna. It was not possible to have separate saunas for everyone.
I let you to translate this:
Kyläsauna tai ison maatalon koko väen yhteinen sauna oli käytössä välttämätöntä.
Ajat ovat muuttuneet, mutta saunan henkinen ja rituaalin omaiset arvot ovat säilyneet.
As a native finn, I feel the same about your first point. It's strange!
Privacy and being naked are completely different things. I can be naked in the sauna with people but I don't want them climbing on top of me. With clothes on I don't want people come and rub themselves against me. Other point: what did you expect the cameraman to do? 11-12 year old kids can be kissy and huggy. It's not against the law. If there other is forcing kisses then sure, but if they are clearly in a relationship, why would you intervene?
That is EXACTLY what I mean; This kind of thinking. That’s the Finnishness am talking about. Being naked with a stranger and still enjoying your privacy. Only a Finn can have that kind of mentality. 🧡
And about 11 year old kissing in the corner of a store at about 9pm in the evening, I don’t expect anything from the camera man. Like i said in the video it is not his problem. But as per whether the kissing is wrong or right, then i have one question for you:
”Would you want your 11 year old daughter to be in the corner at 9pm kissing a boy?”.
Simple as that.
@@ImmigrationLawLivinginFinland It also helps that some, including me, are very introverted :) I can be completely by myself in a crowd :D
@@ImmigrationLawLivinginFinland If I have knowledge of the boy and am aware that they like eachother, I wouldn't have a problem. If it was done in secret, then I'd have a chat with both of them. 9pm I would assume my kid to be home at that age or in some cases at a sleepover at a friends place.
Long time ago I was attending a IT seminar or something in US. I was sitting in the first row. Next to me was sitting a very quiet, a kind of sleepy, cray kind of guy.
But then the host introduced the next speaker: Whitfield Diffie.
The guy next to me went though a immediate transformation. What was a quiet, cray and dull, turned to brilliance. When he got up to stage, he was very different. He was the brilliant lively talking expert talking about something he had superior understanding delivering a clear message to the audience.
If you don't know Whitfield Diffie, here is a link en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whitfield_Diffie
Wow. Amazing 🧡👍🏽
That is why it is important never to look down or belittle anyone, or even judge instantly. Im definitely going to read more about him. He sounds like an interesting scholar.
Finland is not Russia! Thats what is Finland
All The Nordic countries like heavy metals not just Finland
a finnish person here just dropping by. In my few years that I've lived here in Oulu, I have intervened three times in someone else's situation;
first one was years ago, i was doing some light shopping in the town centre when I saw this clearly drunken guy just laying in the middle of the center street, in front of the mall "Valkea", everybody just passing by and i was astounded that nobody batted an eye for this guy, till i started speaking out loud that should someone call somewhere for this guy and this old man; goes oh yeah, police or ambulance? after a while, i cant remember which they called but help arrived and the guy seemed to be somewhat okay.
Second time was maybe 2 weeks ago when I was going to the store to buy something to eat. There were this group of kids playing in the ditch, apparently digging snowtunnels (best thing as a kid) but they were trying to make one through this drainage pipe which goes under the road to connect the two trenches. I stopped and went with a clear loud tone that they could hear me; Are you kids seriously trying to make a tunnel in the pipe, that might be dangerous, it would be better to play somewhere else. The kids looked at me, then eachother all quiet. I dont know if they stopped playing there but i felt that something had to be said (we had an incident in primary school where a kid got trapped inside a snowtunnel, it was horrible).
Third time was when I was having a night out with few friends in a park near town centre last summer. We were drinking and playing music, there was other people too, Suddenly these 2 young, maybe 7-9 year old girls come from the playarea to the center of the park to play near the fountain, nothing out of the ordinary there. Suddenly they start drinking the water out of the fountain and nobody said anything so i yelled at them to stop drinking that it is very possible that the water is dirty and unhealthy for you. They stopped and continued to play in the playarea.
I had to comeback, i remember this in the shower :D I think part of the "mind ur own business" thing reflect on this "sisu" attidude, that u should be able to do and figure stuff on your own. Also, when around fins, to experiment kind of; listen to them and make note everytime someone describes something with the adjective "KOVA" it translates to as "tough/hard"
i hear it everywhere: tämä kappale on kova, sää oot kova pelaan, vastustajat oli kovia, tää on kova juttu. for example. I get that in the past, Finland has a rough history, when indeed, everything was tough=kova. that word alone sums the mindset of people here.
Finns do not drink as much alcohol as you think. In Europe Moldova, Russia and Belarus are leading. Finland is in The middle. Forinstance UK, Germany, France, Belgium, Estonia, Ireland etc. are far ahead of Finland on alcoholconsumption.
Just watch The video "Country alcoholconsumption comparison."
Well, Ofc germanny drink more, because there are 80mil germans and 5,2mil of finns..
Being naked, to us, has nothing to do with (mental) privacy in a way that nakedness is seen natural here. Like it's the most normal form for a person, so to speak- and nothing sexual about it. We are kinda primitive like this. 😊 Many Finns carry a gene that makes us prone to alcoholism. Maybe that explains something? In our "minding our business" I see similarity to the Japanese meiwaku-culture; we do not want to bother anyone. Speaking to strangers is not a part of our culture in general, and we think that people can handle their own business. I do agree that our society could use a bit more caring in general.
You make an excellent observation. It takes a village to raise a child, is not unknown in Finland either. But the legislation and the structure of social services and child care has definitely changed the situation and has some difficult problems. Childrens rights, which are based on the idea that the best interest of the child must always come first, have been implemented in ways that one has to be professional in that field to know what and by whom can be done if deeded.
And at the same time there are requirements for adults to take action. This has created situation where you need to be police and social worker combined to safely step into some situations.
Perhaps I exaggerate here, but sometimes it feels like it.
I think people dont use the bell because they dont want to bother anyone or draw attention to themselves. They also seem to think that they can drive past you smoothly and that they dont have any reason to warn you. I find it really upsetting and dangerous when I walk my dogs and someone drives their bike past me full speed because my dogs could be hit by the bike cause dogs dont walk in a straight line. But yes its pretty weird
It is quite upsetting. :(
Do know any Savonian people ?
Stereotypes are not the whole truth, but they are not totaly baseless either:
"The stereotypical Savonian is talkative, easy-going, jolly and humorous, occasionally even to an offensive excess. Traditionally, the Savonian people have often been considered as "sneaky" and "mendacious." However, recent research has shown that this infamy is largely due to misunderstandings caused by the traditional Savonian social indirectness."
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Savonian_people
And as often is case in life, things are complex, since Savonian people are also a mixture of different historical influences and populations:
"Savolainen kansa rakentuu siis kolmesta ”kerroksesta”: kantaväestöstä (”lappalaisia”), hämäläisistä ja karjalaisista."
"Stereotyyppinen savolainen on puhelias, leppoisa, lupsakka ja humoristinen jopa vääräleukaisuuteen asti. Kielteisenä piirteenä savolaisiin liitetään kierous, joskin Anne-Maria Nupposen väitöstutkimuksen mukaan kyseessä ei ole varsinainen petollisuus[6]. Pikemminkin savolainen kiertely ja kaartelu asian ympärillä on usein tarkoitettu huumoriksi[6] tai kohteliaisuudeksi, tylyyden välttämiseksi"
fi.wikipedia.org/wiki/Savolaiset
Please can you explain how to covert visit visa to work permit in Finland...
In witch town do u live?
After watching this I think...
I think I might be Finnish
🤩🤩 Thanks for watching.
I totally understand & relate to some of the things you said.
The naked aspects always leave me speechless..they want privacy &the main privacy is open lol.
The kids fighting aspect l have not experienced that..though is strange too.
Hope your family's are doing great?
We have been going to the sauna since we are like few months old so there isn't nothing too special about it for Finns. There is nothing sexual in it but it might be a place where people open up a bit more about their lives. I think it has historical aspects also, like someone said. Saunas were not that big before, so you had to fit big families inside the sauna, so people got used to it. But if you go to a swimming hall and to a sauna, people do not sit next to each other if there is space, so with strangers the privacy applies even in the sauna, if there's the opportunity for that.
To be honest I didn't see it as a big deal if 11-years old are kissing. They wouldn't do it in front of their parents so it might seem a bit interesting that they will do it in public. I think it is still innocent even though it might look a bit much for adults. When I was in junior high it was not uncommon to see 13-14-years old kiss on the hallways etc, but then again they wouldn't probably do it in front of their parents. However, I think if 11-year old would kiss in the school hallways, the teachers would probably talk about it with their parents.
The kids bullying thing was a bit weird and I think others should have said something also. But people do get involved. For example, TH-cam is full of videos (and I hate this culture) where youngsters annoy older people who are trying to scold them. Sometimes the elders are overreacting but usually not and the youngster are super annoying. And when I was a kid, sometimes people would comment or get involved, like when I cursed (f-word) in front of a store and I was maybe 9 years old.
So, some people do get involved but I agree that there's a lot of situations when people don't want to get involved, they are putting the music on their headphones louder or then they are just waiting/hoping that the situation resolves itself, for example that the kids stop fighting.
Northern Finland they listen more heavy metal than in the South-Finland. In the norhern side they drink also more coffee than in the southernside. Alcohol drinking is on the same level in the south and in the north.
Yes that makes sense. For me, Honestly i have seen more drunk people in Rovaniemi than here in Pori. I would say coffee consumption is the same too.
First person here today...clap for me
Im clapping here! Well done! 👍🏽😄