I just discovered this channel. It’s really well done, this guy knows his football. And I’m glad he gave Michael Downs his due. That dude gets overlooked simply because he didn’t play on any of the Super Bowl teams. But he was a badass DB in the 80s.
Such a beautiful analysis of Darren Wooden. And thank you putting him as the best safety in cowboy history as he deserves. He was the anchor of a defense that dominated for five years. You don't see that type of longevity in domination anymore.
CORRECTION Michael Downs was a undrafted free agent. I 100% knew that lol. Video Editing 😠 😡! I probably should have made a tie between Cliff and Waters! Kind of felt weird separating the two! Thanks for you guys support!
LC, you've outdone yourself. This a great logical review of the great safeties in Cowboys history. And you did it all in under (12:00) minutes. Personally, I believe Cliff Harris was so intense that in-between games they must have strapped him down like Frankenstein to ensure the safety and well-being of the residents of the DFW metroplex. I wonder if his personality would have changed with a full head of hair. Great job my LC.
😂 😂 thanks Aaron. I legitimately think something was wrong with Harris! No lie. I know he's a great man off the field. But on the field he was a menace! That Vikings play where he threw the player off without checking on his teammate was dark! Thanks for watching Aaron 🙏
@@thelogicalcowboy I know I'm late to this vid, but I'm just gonna keep posting like it was put up 10 minutes ago, lol. You aren't kidding about Cliff, LC. As much as any athlete I've followed, he seemed to have an on-off switch. Usually a great guy off the field, but, man, he became a beast bordering on being a jerk on the field. I mean, from giving Gerrela (no clue how to spell the Steelers kicker's name) a slap on the helmet for a missed kick to rolling Ahmad Rashad off him with complete disdain when he was clearly concussed, this guy was a borderline maniac. Really glad he was our maniac. If he played for another team, I'd view him like I did Tatum -- supremely talented, but somebody you just want to hate. All that said, he really is a great guy away from the field. Had the pleasure of chatting with him a couple times, and he's just a really cool and patient guy. But, oooh, don't go near that switch.
Outstanding! Imagine, such depth at safety that Cornell Green and Roy Williams don't make the top 5. Further, Captain Crash, Mr. Sacrifice the Body, is only 3rd. I'm with you 💯 on this list! Great job at highlighting the greatness of Dallas' safeties.
Thanks David a hard list! Cliff Harris and Renfro can definitely swap spots and there would be no arguments from me. The only spot that is cemented in stone is Woodson. But the other 4 spots can definitely be debated. Thanks David!
As a Cowboys fan since 1977, I have been lucky to have seen a lot of great players for the Cowboys in that time. Darren Woodson was a great, and very versatile safety. I will always remember him knocking out a scrambling Rodney Peete (then of the Eagles) with a big hit to keep Peete short of a first down. I certainly would not want to be hit by him or Cliff Harris in their primes lol. Awesome video!
No complaints on that list Logical, another great video as usual. When I seen the word Safety the first thing that came to my mind was Roy Williams and how he laid down that lumber on opponents! I can’t recall many that hit harder than Roy.
Excellent! Dallas has had some hellacious safeties! Safety is my favorite position in football, that's the position I played! I grew up watching Harris and Waters, man they were something! Love this video! Thanks for sharing!
2:21 Just an exquisite look at overloading a protection. Another excellent and thoughtful video. I always thought Randy Hughes would have been a great one but I think injuries got him. I did not realize that Michael Down was so good. Cliff Harris, no regard for his body .... or anybody else's...
Michael Downs came to my high school and gave a Q&A for our journalism team (which I was not on but our PE coach let us attend). I remember he said the fine for losing your playbook was $500 which brought gasps from all us kids. The first time I heard of Charlie Waters was when he got injured during a pre season game with Seattle (I didn't start watching football until 1980). I remember his 41st and last interception. "41 for number 41" was how it was called. I remember Cliff Harris but as a youngster didn't know how good he was. Mel Renfro was before my time but I remember the controversy of him being left out of the Ring of Honor and was happy when he was finally inducted.
Charlie tore up his knee in the Seahawks stadium right after they had installed new artificial turf. 1979, Charlie joined Brad Sham in the booth. In Dec. 1979, against the Redskins in Tx Stadium, Roger threw the game winner to Tony Hill. Charlie told Brad, "You've got to believe, Roger is in there."
Wow, I don't know how you were able to pick them. I watched Mel Renfro as a rookie as well as the other guys. We had ultra safeties over the decades. You could hear the sound of Cliff hitting opponents, way up in the stands. Great job once again!
excellent commentary! matches pretty even with my DC memories going back to the early 70s watching some of the greatest players of all time... sure miss Darren Woodson!
I have so many fond memories of watching Cliff Harris and Charlie Waters. It was criminal that it took so long for Harris to make the Hall of Fame. Waters always had the knack of making the big play at the right time in the biggest games, whether he was blocking a punt, intercepting a pass, causing a fumble or recovering one, I always called him the Ram killer because he was usually the difference between the Cowboys beating the Rams, especially in the playoffs, than anyone. Woodson was truly special, and when I saw the Cowboys drafted Overshown in this year’s draft, my first thought was for him to play Strong Safety and then linebacker in the nickel package. Woodson hit as hard as anyone, and was another reason Dallas won so much during the 90’s. Great list. I even wore # 26 in high school because of Downs until Bill Bates came into the league. I then had to change it to #40, who may have deserved honorable mention on this list. But, I am sure if you do a list on Special Teams, my guess is that he’ll be on that along with “The Shark” Kenny Gant.
Thanks for the video. When you said that you often didn't even see Cliff Harris until he made impact, I thought to myself, "The opposing players probably felt the same way sometimes." I would give Bill Bates an honorable mention on this list.
Thanks for all the research you do for these vids! Great list! Waters and Harris, hard to think of one without the other. Charlie should have gone into the Ring with Cliff. Peanut butter and jelly.
Those ( Waters and Cliff) were really the only picks so far in this series that I probably should have made a tie out of. At the end of the day I just went with Cliff because he's in the hall. But either way great!
That Crash had to wait so long to get into the HOF, not to mention Chuck Howley’s absurdly long wait, is a disgrace to the team and game they gave their bodies for. It’s so obvious there’s a anti-Cowboys sentiment with the voters, that it’s ridiculous! GREAT video, it just emphasizes how important an excellent S is to a great D! I saw them all and I agree Woody’s the GOAT! #DC4L
I liked the Michael Downs choice in yor excellent video. Downs was overlooked because he was not the big hitter (he was kind of skinny) that stuffs runs on highlight films. But he was smart and worked very well in Landry's timed blitz schemes. Also, Downs did not have great linebackers in front of him like some of the other players. That was a major disadvantage. Downs was an excellent player in a "trending down" Dallas era. I guess you could decribe him as "less bulk is more".
I wholeheartedly agree with the "trending down" comment. The luster was fading in the mid 80's. The Cowboys 20 years of consecutive winning seasons ended in 1985. There were no NFC title game appearances after 1982 after making it there 10 times between 1970 and 1982. The 1983 team got off to a 12-2 start. After the "Danny No game" against the Redskins in 83 things steadily went south. After the 1983 season I never went into a season thinking Dallas was a top choice to make the SB in the NFC. Ironically Downs and (Everson Walls) were in their prime at this time. But, since the team was trending down their greatness has been forgotten. I was a big Dallas fan back then and I needed your video to remind me how good Michael Downs was back in the day 😅
My God Cliff Harris hit like a run away train!!! I liked Randy Hughes in the secondary but not sure he was a Safety, anything from mid 70s to mid 80s cowboys keep the content coming!
Yep Houghes was indeed a safety! Unfortunately he got hurt and was never the same! Was a good player for us in the 70s but if it wasn't for that injury he could have been a legend. Thanks bro!
Dude, every time I think you can't do better you prove me wrong! GREAT VIDEO!!!!!!! It's a travesty Woody is not in the HOF and a travesty that the great Charlie Waters isn't at least in the ring of honor and probably the HOF, hell just the fact that he was big time in the playoffs tells me everything. He' probably the greatest DB not in HOF but I'm unashamedly biased. Renfro is still the Cowboy all time leader in interceptions and Waters is number 3 after retiring over 40 years ago. It's hard to believe there was a day when you had Renfro, Harris and Waters together roaming the same secondary. Thank you for your effort!!!!!!!!
Another great video, thanks! I would personally switch Renfo and Harris around simply because Harris played that position his whole career and, I believe was more impactful at it. Renfro was definitely a better all-around athlete and a greater Cowboy overall.
You know whats funny I went through that same thought process in my head for a long time. Normally the player who had the longer career gets the nod. Especially if they were dominant in that time. But Mel Renfro's 38 turnovers ( 32 int, 6 FR) in 6 seasons with 7+ interceptions 3 different times was hard for me to ignore. Unless it was Darren Woodson. But in saying that... this list was so hard 😫 . You wouldn't be wrong putting Harris in the second spot either! Thanks for watching bro 🙏
You got me, LC. As soon as I saw the topic, I immediately thought "Who's LC gonna have at 1, DW or 43 (I also had Darren at 1, btw, but I was looking forward to hearing what I knew had to have been a serious internal debate in your own mind. And then? Cliff is 3?? WTH???? Who did I miss??? Started watching in '71, so I had no idea the immortal mel Renfro started as a safety. I only knew him as a TRUE shutdown corner (ask Paul Warfield). In fact, a lot of Charlie's problems when he played corner came from the opposing team refusing to throw to 20's side of the field even very late in his career. Anyway, long story short (if it's not already too late for that), I'd put mel at 2, as well. Of course, he was so great that I'd put him in the top 5 defensive linemen if he even lined up for 1 play with his hand in the dirt, lol. Great stuff, as always!
Thanks David! Yeah Renfro was a legend in both positions. For me it was always a toss up between Renfro and Harris! I ultimately chosed Renfro in the 2nd spot because of his ability to turn the ball over. Although I will say I had a debate with a very knowledgeable Cowboy fan who always keeps me on my toes lol and if I could do it over again I'd probably have Harris in the 2nd spot. You can go look at that debate. Its some where in this comment section under "No Way" post. But Renfro was so underated as a safety. I actually thought he was a better safety then he was at corner back. Always great to hear your feedback David wether it's criticism or praise! You know your football!
When I first asked you to make top 5 lists, this was the list I most wanted to see! Charlie Waters and Cliff Harris are two of my favorite athletes, I wanted to hear your thoughts on where they ranked. You did your usual great job on this one. I actually didn’t realize what a great blitzed Downs was either. Brilliant video!
Nice one dude I have to agree with all of them funny thing that Charlie Waters started out as a corner back but with him and Captain Crash made a tandem that could be the best in history Cliff Harris had a nose for the ball and wasn't afraid to take a hit awesome job my friend
Charlie waters if they didn't have him out of position at cornerback he would had alot more interceptions. Him and cliff Harris best free safety and strong safety I ever seen in Dallas history .cowboys fan since 1967 at 5 years old really lived and died each week age 9 1971 love our Cowboys for life .
Downs and Walls were great together. These guys, all of them, made it possible for Landry to win. Was Landry lucky in his choices of personnel? Yeah for about twenty-nine years.
Superior work. Superior. According to this, Downs and Waters (and Woodson) have HOF career stats. As I kid I revered the Cowboys' D-backfield of Renfro and Cornell Greene (from the Packers). Big fan of ALL listed here, but even I was not aware of those HOF numbers on Downs (that Turnovers stat is mind-blowing) and Waters. Woodson has all the worthy stats and accolades also. They need to open up another NFC East Wing in the museum in Canton.
I knew as you've worked your way towards this list these were the guys. You nailed this list. I'll just add that whenever the Cowboys defense was on the field the guy I most watched was Mel Renfro. His ability was mezmerizing. What I first learned about pass defense came from Mel on TV. FP, your da man.
@@thelogicalcowboy I agree. Just watching him on TV was like watching Gale Sayers, Barry Sanders, Deon Sanders, TD Dorsett, Jim Brown. Those are guys with balls in their hands many times a game. Renfro's movement was equally fluid, smooth, deceiving. It was like a silver ghost on defense. If I could chose an all time Dallas Cowboys Team Renfro would be on it.
@@PlanetEarth3141 People forget he was the first great 3 way player in Cowboys history. He was a running back, speacial teams returner and dB all at the same time at one point in his career! A absolute legend!
@@thelogicalcowboy yeah, cause when I think of the incredible abundance of talent that has worn the ⭐ and name Renfro to such a great fictional team it means just what you say too. Renfro was a nightmare on many levels. Again, like Deon Sanders, almost. Can you imagine both in their prime on a team defense? Wouldn't even be fair.
To me D.Woodson is the ALL TIME GREATEST Safety the Cowboys have had. Can’t wait for Woodson #28 to become a Hall of Famer. I feel that he should have been in already, but they snubbed him his year because they were putting in so many Cowboys in this year’s class. Hopefully next year they will put him in.
Roy Williams has to be on there. D. Woodson said Williams first 5 years was the best defensive player hes ever seen. He said he made more game changing plays and he said he made people fear coming across the middle of the field.
Charlie never was the same after that swing set hit him in the face and he got a bunch of stitches. If thats what really happened many years ago. Happened in the off season.
Dude that that #5 was savage. Is there like a PR campaign against this guy. those would be game of the week highlights back in the day or like the turning point play for teams nfl films makes For what it's im a bears fan and honestly cause of ditka have a soft for the Cowboys. they retired his#89 against the Cowboys come to think of it lol. im pausing at Waters game against well if it even can be called a game. Ditka kicked the Bears ass on the Dallas staff that day so, yeah footbal.
Great list😎👍...other honorable mentions imho..Dennis Thurman (also playes cb), Roy Williams, James Washington, ..also gotta love Bill Bates just for the respect he earned over the years...and if Thomas Everett would have stayed longer than the 2 seasons where he was a vital part of back to back super bowl champs..?🤷🏽♂️
This could be a top 10 list.Bill Bates is my honorable mention pick.He might not be as good as the top 5 players at safety,he was a heck of a special teams demon.I hope you do a top list of all around players on defense and linemen.Thanks for another great video.
I'm going to do a top 53 man roster in the near future after this series is over. We'll have a chance to put a lot more on the list! Thanks for watching!
I agree with making Michael Downs #5 instead of Roy Williams. Williams could hit, but he couldn't cover worth a shlt, and to me, being able to cover is far more important than "being physical" when playing the safety position. CB Kevin Smith said Williams was oftentimes like "a deer in headlights" when it came to coverage. He just wasn't a good safety, in my opinion. Nonetheless, thanks for making this video! I can tell you work hard on them! 👍
I thought that our running backs and quarterbacks list were tops in the league possibly. After watching this I'm now convinced that safety may be our strongest 5D position. We didn't even have time to mention cowboy favorites like Washington and teague
And if you think about Waters Hughes Cliff Harris and Michael Downs Landry had four of the best safeties in the league at that time in the early eighties
You hit it on the nail. I was thinking the same thing! If we made a top 10 list we still would be missing good quality safeties! I cant see any other team with that much depth! Good point Andrew!
This list is extremely hard because we haven't had the great safety in decades. Our current guys are just good players and we've yet to have a new age safety, TE or DT geeeeeeez
For the most part it was easy. Until I got to Harris and Renfro! That one was difficult. If I had to do it again I probably would put Harris in second place. But I'm fine with the order since I can't change it. Lol
Of course, all of this is subjective which is part of the fun, but..... I love Michael Downs, but he was a Free Safety and not a strong safety in Landry's system; those are two different things. Free safety could be manned by a rookie, Cliff did it in '70 and Downs did it in '81. Strong safety was a much more complex position in Landry's scheme, and I don't think anyone did it better than Cornell Green. He only did it for 5 years after switching from CB at the age of 30, but he still made the Pro Bowl twice doing it. I've probably said this before, but he is the reason Charlie Waters was playing CB and not safety , Waters' more natural position. Green kept Charlie on the bench so to speak- and Charlie Waters was great at Strong safety. Also, look at the team defense sats for Dallas through the Landry year. Dallas' defense was awful for the years 1980-1988. They had a line and an MLB and not much else. My point being , that Dallas' secondary was horrible when Downs was there- that's why he made big plays on blitzes, cause Dallas' secondary, including Downs, was slow. After Dallas lost Kyle, the flood gates opened. Prior to that, from 1970-1978/9 , Dallas secondary was decent to great, and it was at its best when Green was playing SS.
TLC I was wondering if you could do a break down on the 90s cowboys dynasty the rise/fall and all of the key pieces like their all-pros and how would you rank them as the greatest dynasty.
Cliff Harris and Charlie Waters were a dynamic duo when I was a teenager in the late 70s. They were awesome and were an important part of the DALLAS COWBOYS dynasty. Waters played the position with intelligence and finesse and Harris played like a cold-blooded assassin! That's perfect for a defensive backfield. Cliff Harris was the type of player that you will never see in the NFL again! That's why I've lost interest in the game.
Dallas has had so many good safeties in franchise history that you probably could have separated them and done a top five video for both strong safety and free safety.
Maybe some videos about best defensive coordinators? Dick Nolan, Ernie Stautner, Dave Wannestedt, Butch Davis, Rod Marinelli, Zimmer, Wade Phillips, Dan Quinn, I'd even throw in Dave Campo! And let's not forget the coach who invented the 4-3 and the Flex Defense...
@@davidhickey1830 I already did top 5 tackles. So next up top 5 best gaurds and center's. Like you said I should have separated the safeties like I did the line!
Hard! I know he's not a big fan favorite among the older generation. But you have to go with Roy Williams at 6. In his prime he was a top 3 safety in the league. What would be really hard is the 7th pick! Maybe Bates, Mike Gaechter, Marion, James Washington... we had a lot of great safeties.
The story goes that Gil Brant discovered Cliff Harris while scouting a running back from Hawaii. A skinny kid kept tackling him who ended up being Cliff. There were a few times Cliff is seen tackling Walter Peyton. It was dumb for any player tackling Walter he being one of the few players singled out as being beyond tough by Randy White. Charlie Waters was the Sean Lee of the safeties without all the injuries. Cliff gave up his head and Charlie used his. Didn't Woody and Roy Williams play together?
💯+ Darren Woodson not being in the Hall of Fame is total 🐄💩. Woodson was better than John Lynch and LeRoy Butler who are in. It has become like Drew Pearson not being inducted in a timely manner despite being the clutch receiver of the game during the 1970s where the passing game was much harder.
Michael Downs was a undrafted free agent just like Everson Walls in the same year 1981. Cornell Green should have been on this list and in the Cowboys Ring of Honor.
Yeah I adressd that in the comment section already. It was a mistake on my part. I have no idea why I said it. lol As for Green, in my humble opinion he does not belong on this list. He only played 3 seasons as a elite safety. The other 2 which was the last seasons of his career wasn't as great. Keep in mind when he played safety it was outside of his prime. I do have him on the top 5 list as a CB. If you want to check it out here's the video... th-cam.com/video/PXk3RLuZQhI/w-d-xo.html
@@thelogicalcowboy Not trying to change your mind but you are wrong. 5xPro Bowler 1965-72 as many as Woodson more than Waters&Downs, 3xAll Pro more than Waters&, Downs. He scouted Cliff Harris for the Cowboys as an active player 1970-1972, Played SS well enough from 1970-75 keeping Harris and Waters sharing FS. Went to the Broncos years later scouted and developed All Pro S Dennis Smith and Steve Atwater. He played no Football before the Cowboys a UDFA being a 2x All American basketball player (drafted by NBA). Should be in the Ring of Honor at minimum and definitely top 5 on the S list.
Thanks for the research & video, as always. I have to respectfully disagree with your rankings, however. My top five safeties in team history are: 1- Harris 2- Woodson 3- Renfro 4- Downs 5- Waters
You've got the right 5, but I'm sorry, Mel, Cliff, and Charlie (in whatever order you choose) are ahead of Darren. Maybe not by much, but Woodson played in an era with far more nickel and dime coverage than the '70s Cowboys did. Basically, Charlie ran the show on defense (after Jordan retired), and that defense was one of the two or three best in NFL history. Charlie is so underrated, it makes me sick.
Logical, you should have broken down by Best Strong Safety and Best Free Safety, that way you could have fit in everybody! Best SS: 5) Bill Bates 4) Roy Williams 3) Michael Downs 2) Darren Woodson 1) Cliff Harris Best FS: 5) Mike Gaechter 4) James Washington 3) Cornell Green 2) Mel Renfro 1) Charlie Waters Also, Downs was not drafted in 1981, he was UDFA (along w his fellow UDFA defensive back teammate Everson Walls)
@davidhickey1830 Cliff Harris wasn't a strong safety, Mike Gaechter wasnt a free safety, Michael downs wasn't a strong safety and Charlie Waters wasn't a free safety.
Great Stuff but u didn't give Thomas Everett or Brock Marion no Shout Outs James Big Play Washington. C'mon 🤔🧐💬🧐. Great Showcase on Michael Downs I forgot how underrated he was. Roy Williams first season as a cowboy rookie was sensational. Then, Roy got caught up too much trying make the big hit. His coverage suffer for it
Because of time I stay away from verbally shouting out all players who are honorable mentions. As you can tell the video was already long. What I try and do is put a highlight at the beginning of the video. That's my shout out. If you go back to the video you can see highlights of those safeties that you mentioned at the beginning of the video. Thanks for watching 🙏
All of the uniforms and helmets from these vids should have never been changed. Patriots Patriot in a 2 point stance, Houston Oilers oil scaffolding, Tampa Bay's Buccaneer, The Jets, The Chargers, and any other team that changed. None changed for the better.
How Harris is in the HOF without Charlie Waters is a real head scratcher. Waters should of been inducted long time ago. Sometimes I think the Hall of Fame committee is a bunch of morons
I love your videos, but no mention of the FACT that Cliff Harris is in the Pro Football Hall of Fame. Huh? Football writers who voted for the 1970's All-Decade Team provided Captain Crash with the biggest positional voting gap of that decade. Twenty-Three football writers voted for Harris as being the 1st Team All-Decade safety whereas Dolphins safety Dick Anderson received only four votes. Neither Mel Renfro nor Darren Woodson were members of the 1960's or 1990's All-Decade Team.
Hey Phil thanks for tuning in. 🙏 I completely understand why you would have Cliff higher on the list. Cliff Harris was a legend! Im aware that we all have differences of opinions. My opinion is no better then yours. The *main* reasons why i do these videos is not to prove to people that my top 5 is superior then anyone else's list. My *main* purpose for these videos is to start a dialog among Cowboy fans and to highlight the greatness of these Football heroes. But I am a debater and from time to time I do enjoy a good debate. One of the debates that i had about this video is somewhere in this comment section under a comenter named "No way" go check it out. Both of us raised some good arguments on both sides. It was a good debate. Thanks again Phil!
I just discovered this channel. It’s really well done, this guy knows his football. And I’m glad he gave Michael Downs his due. That dude gets overlooked simply because he didn’t play on any of the Super Bowl teams. But he was a badass DB in the 80s.
Such a beautiful analysis of Darren Wooden. And thank you putting him as the best safety in cowboy history as he deserves. He was the anchor of a defense that dominated for five years. You don't see that type of longevity in domination anymore.
Thanks bro 🙏!!
CORRECTION Michael Downs was a undrafted free agent. I 100% knew that lol. Video Editing 😠 😡!
I probably should have made a tie between Cliff and Waters! Kind of felt weird separating the two! Thanks for you guys support!
They deserve individual listings, you did well.
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Thanks Ben!
All of these gentlemen should be in the Hall of Fame. Exemplary careers all.
Another great list!!...I AGREE 100%
Thanks bro!
LC, you've outdone yourself. This a great logical review of the great safeties in Cowboys history. And you did it all in under (12:00) minutes. Personally, I believe Cliff Harris was so intense that in-between games they must have strapped him down like Frankenstein to ensure the safety and well-being of the residents of the DFW metroplex. I wonder if his personality would have changed with a full head of hair. Great job my LC.
😂 😂 thanks Aaron. I legitimately think something was wrong with Harris! No lie. I know he's a great man off the field. But on the field he was a menace! That Vikings play where he threw the player off without checking on his teammate was dark! Thanks for watching Aaron 🙏
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@@thelogicalcowboy I know I'm late to this vid, but I'm just gonna keep posting like it was put up 10 minutes ago, lol.
You aren't kidding about Cliff, LC. As much as any athlete I've followed, he seemed to have an on-off switch. Usually a great guy off the field, but, man, he became a beast bordering on being a jerk on the field. I mean, from giving Gerrela (no clue how to spell the Steelers kicker's name) a slap on the helmet for a missed kick to rolling Ahmad Rashad off him with complete disdain when he was clearly concussed, this guy was a borderline maniac. Really glad he was our maniac. If he played for another team, I'd view him like I did Tatum -- supremely talented, but somebody you just want to hate.
All that said, he really is a great guy away from the field. Had the pleasure of chatting with him a couple times, and he's just a really cool and patient guy. But, oooh, don't go near that switch.
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Wow! How was he? Guys like that on the field oftentimes be the most humble and soft spoken guys!
Outstanding! Imagine, such depth at safety that Cornell Green and Roy Williams don't make the top 5. Further, Captain Crash, Mr. Sacrifice the Body, is only 3rd. I'm with you 💯 on this list! Great job at highlighting the greatness of Dallas' safeties.
Thanks David a hard list! Cliff Harris and Renfro can definitely swap spots and there would be no arguments from me. The only spot that is cemented in stone is Woodson. But the other 4 spots can definitely be debated. Thanks David!
RW wasn't a great cover guy, but yes, he could lay the lumber for sure.
As a Cowboys fan since 1977, I have been lucky to have seen a lot of great players for the Cowboys in that time. Darren Woodson was a great, and very versatile safety. I will always remember him knocking out a scrambling Rodney Peete (then of the Eagles) with a big hit to keep Peete short of a first down. I certainly would not want to be hit by him or Cliff Harris in their primes lol. Awesome video!
Thanks bro! Good post yourself!
No complaints on that list Logical, another great video as usual. When I seen the word Safety the first thing that came to my mind was Roy Williams and how he laid down that lumber on opponents! I can’t recall many that hit harder than Roy.
Roy was one of a kind! Thanks Coop!
Excellent! Dallas has had some hellacious safeties! Safety is my favorite position in football, that's the position I played! I grew up watching Harris and Waters, man they were something! Love this video! Thanks for sharing!
Thanks for watching!! 🙏
Can't argue with your list. I might move a couple around on the list. But I'm good with your picks. Thanks. DALLAS COWBOYS FOREVER
Thanks bro!
@@thelogicalcowboy You are definitely welcome, and thank you for an awesome channel!!!
2:21 Just an exquisite look at overloading a protection. Another excellent and thoughtful video. I always thought Randy Hughes would have been a great one but I think injuries got him.
I did not realize that Michael Down was so good. Cliff Harris, no regard for his body .... or anybody else's...
Thanks bro!! 2:21 was legendary! Lol
Michael Downs came to my high school and gave a Q&A for our journalism team (which I was not on but our PE coach let us attend). I remember he said the fine for losing your playbook was $500 which brought gasps from all us kids. The first time I heard of Charlie Waters was when he got injured during a pre season game with Seattle (I didn't start watching football until 1980). I remember his 41st and last interception. "41 for number 41" was how it was called. I remember Cliff Harris but as a youngster didn't know how good he was. Mel Renfro was before my time but I remember the controversy of him being left out of the Ring of Honor and was happy when he was finally inducted.
Thanks for sharing bro!
It is a crime that Woodson is not in the Hall of Fame. He was my favorite player for years.
It's a crime!
Charlie Waters would have had even more impressive career numbers if he hadn't missed all of the '79 season due to a torn knee ligament.
Charlie tore up his knee in the Seahawks stadium right after they had installed new artificial turf. 1979, Charlie joined Brad Sham in the booth. In Dec. 1979, against the Redskins in Tx Stadium, Roger threw the game winner to Tony Hill. Charlie told Brad, "You've got to believe, Roger is in there."
@@Gman-qm6bv good reply
Wow, I don't know how you were able to pick them. I watched Mel Renfro as a rookie as well as the other guys. We had ultra safeties over the decades. You could hear the sound of Cliff hitting opponents, way up in the stands. Great job once again!
Thanks G! Cliff was a maniac!
excellent commentary! matches pretty even with my DC memories going back to the early 70s watching some of the greatest players of all time... sure miss Darren Woodson!
Thanks Drew! 🙏
I have so many fond memories of watching Cliff Harris and Charlie Waters. It was criminal that it took so long for Harris to make the Hall of Fame. Waters always had the knack of making the big play at the right time in the biggest games, whether he was blocking a punt, intercepting a pass, causing a fumble or recovering one, I always called him the Ram killer because he was usually the difference between the Cowboys beating the Rams, especially in the playoffs, than anyone. Woodson was truly special, and when I saw the Cowboys drafted Overshown in this year’s draft, my first thought was for him to play Strong Safety and then linebacker in the nickel package. Woodson hit as hard as anyone, and was another reason Dallas won so much during the 90’s. Great list. I even wore # 26 in high school because of Downs until Bill Bates came into the league. I then had to change it to #40, who may have deserved honorable mention on this list. But, I am sure if you do a list on Special Teams, my guess is that he’ll be on that along with “The Shark” Kenny Gant.
Thanks Michael always enjoy your take on things. Great post!
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Thanks for the video.
When you said that you often didn't even see Cliff Harris until he made impact, I thought to myself, "The opposing players probably felt the same way sometimes."
I would give Bill Bates an honorable mention on this list.
Bates was special! Thanks for watching bro!
Thanks for all the research you do for these vids! Great list! Waters and Harris, hard to think of one without the other. Charlie should have gone into the Ring with Cliff. Peanut butter and jelly.
Those ( Waters and Cliff) were really the only picks so far in this series that I probably should have made a tie out of. At the end of the day I just went with Cliff because he's in the hall. But either way great!
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That Crash had to wait so long to get into the HOF, not to mention Chuck Howley’s absurdly long wait, is a disgrace to the team and game they gave their bodies for. It’s so obvious there’s a anti-Cowboys sentiment with the voters, that it’s ridiculous!
GREAT video, it just emphasizes how important an excellent S is to a great D! I saw them all and I agree Woody’s the GOAT!
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Yeah it's a shame Howley has dementia! Hopefully he can remember. Thanks bro 🙏
Lifelong cowboys fan, we had great safeties throughout the 70s 80s 90s amd today . Charlie Waters in my opinion is number one
I can understand why! Charlie was a legend! Thanks for watching! 🙏
I liked the Michael Downs choice in yor excellent video. Downs was overlooked because he was not the big hitter (he was kind of skinny) that stuffs runs on highlight films. But he was smart and worked very well in Landry's timed blitz schemes. Also, Downs did not have great linebackers in front of him like some of the other players. That was a major disadvantage. Downs was an excellent player in a "trending down" Dallas era. I guess you could decribe him as "less bulk is more".
Great summaryTex! I agree Downs had Eugene and that was it! To your point he probably was one of the smartest safeties in history. Thanks Tex!
Downs looks like he would excel in todays game.
I wholeheartedly agree with the "trending down" comment. The luster was fading in the mid 80's. The Cowboys 20 years of consecutive winning seasons ended in 1985. There were no NFC title game appearances after 1982 after making it there 10 times between 1970 and 1982. The 1983 team got off to a 12-2 start. After the "Danny No game" against the Redskins in 83 things steadily went south. After the 1983 season I never went into a season thinking Dallas was a top choice to make the SB in the NFC. Ironically Downs and (Everson Walls) were in their prime at this time. But, since the team was trending down their greatness has been forgotten. I was a big Dallas fan back then and I needed your video to remind me how good Michael Downs was back in the day 😅
I got Harris and Waters' book back at Christmas. They were absolute killers. Great list and Im always looking for the next one.
Wow! Thanks for sharing that! Thanks for watching!
They wrote a book together? Or there’s a book about them?!? I must find and read this book!
My God Cliff Harris hit like a run away train!!!
I liked Randy Hughes in the secondary but not sure he was a Safety, anything from mid 70s to mid 80s cowboys keep the content coming!
Yep Houghes was indeed a safety! Unfortunately he got hurt and was never the same! Was a good player for us in the 70s but if it wasn't for that injury he could have been a legend. Thanks bro!
Dude, every time I think you can't do better you prove me wrong! GREAT VIDEO!!!!!!! It's a travesty Woody is not in the HOF and a travesty that the great Charlie Waters isn't at least in the ring of honor and probably the HOF, hell just the fact that he was big time in the playoffs tells me everything. He' probably the greatest DB not in HOF but I'm unashamedly biased. Renfro is still the Cowboy all time leader in interceptions and Waters is number 3 after retiring over 40 years ago. It's hard to believe there was a day when you had Renfro, Harris and Waters together roaming the same secondary. Thank you for your effort!!!!!!!!
Thanks CJ!
LC has done it again!!!! Great video
Thanks Fig!
Another great video, thanks!
I would personally switch Renfo and Harris around simply because Harris played that position his whole career and, I believe was more impactful at it. Renfro was definitely a better all-around athlete and a greater Cowboy overall.
You know whats funny I went through that same thought process in my head for a long time. Normally the player who had the longer career gets the nod. Especially if they were dominant in that time. But Mel Renfro's 38 turnovers ( 32 int, 6 FR) in 6 seasons with 7+ interceptions 3 different times was hard for me to ignore. Unless it was Darren Woodson. But in saying that... this list was so hard 😫 . You wouldn't be wrong putting Harris in the second spot either! Thanks for watching bro 🙏
You got me, LC. As soon as I saw the topic, I immediately thought "Who's LC gonna have at 1, DW or 43 (I also had Darren at 1, btw, but I was looking forward to hearing what I knew had to have been a serious internal debate in your own mind. And then? Cliff is 3?? WTH???? Who did I miss???
Started watching in '71, so I had no idea the immortal mel Renfro started as a safety. I only knew him as a TRUE shutdown corner (ask Paul Warfield). In fact, a lot of Charlie's problems when he played corner came from the opposing team refusing to throw to 20's side of the field even very late in his career.
Anyway, long story short (if it's not already too late for that), I'd put mel at 2, as well. Of course, he was so great that I'd put him in the top 5 defensive linemen if he even lined up for 1 play with his hand in the dirt, lol.
Great stuff, as always!
Thanks David! Yeah Renfro was a legend in both positions. For me it was always a toss up between Renfro and Harris! I ultimately chosed Renfro in the 2nd spot because of his ability to turn the ball over. Although I will say I had a debate with a very knowledgeable Cowboy fan who always keeps me on my toes lol and if I could do it over again I'd probably have Harris in the 2nd spot. You can go look at that debate. Its some where in this comment section under "No Way" post. But Renfro was so underated as a safety. I actually thought he was a better safety then he was at corner back. Always great to hear your feedback David wether it's criticism or praise! You know your football!
When I first asked you to make top 5 lists, this was the list I most wanted to see! Charlie Waters and Cliff Harris are two of my favorite athletes, I wanted to hear your thoughts on where they ranked. You did your usual great job on this one. I actually didn’t realize what a great blitzed Downs was either. Brilliant video!
Thanks Chris!! 🙏
Great list! If you ever do a hardest hitting defender I would pick Harris an Bates as 1 and 2.
That's a great idea!!
Nice one dude I have to agree with all of them funny thing that Charlie Waters started out as a corner back but with him and Captain Crash made a tandem that could be the best in history Cliff Harris had a nose for the ball and wasn't afraid to take a hit awesome job my friend
Appreciate you!
Charlie waters if they didn't have him out of position at cornerback he would had alot more interceptions. Him and cliff Harris best free safety and strong safety I ever seen in Dallas history .cowboys fan since 1967 at 5 years old really lived and died each week age 9 1971 love our Cowboys for life .
Two legendary players on and off the field! Thanks for watching 🙏!
Downs and Walls were great together. These guys, all of them, made it possible for Landry to win. Was Landry lucky in his choices of personnel? Yeah for about twenty-nine years.
@@Alittlelosthere he was a great player scout system everyone runs computers he was the w first ,greatest coach cowboys History!,,
After he busted up his leg in 79. For the rest of his career he played on one leg. Amazing 👏
All these guys were great.
They truly were! Thanks for watching
Cliff Harris was like the Cowboy's version of Jack Tatum.
I agree! Thanks for watching 🙏
Superior work. Superior. According to this, Downs and Waters (and Woodson) have HOF career stats. As I kid I revered the Cowboys' D-backfield of Renfro and Cornell Greene (from the Packers). Big fan of ALL listed here, but even I was not aware of those HOF numbers on Downs (that Turnovers stat is mind-blowing) and Waters. Woodson has all the worthy stats and accolades also. They need to open up another NFC East Wing in the museum in Canton.
Completely agree! Dallas has some of the most underrated Safeties in history! Thanks for watching 🙏
Thx, Michael Downs is somewhat overlooked on the goat list, but had a great career.
He sure did!
I knew as you've worked your way towards this list these were the guys. You nailed this list. I'll just add that whenever the Cowboys defense was on the field the guy I most watched was Mel Renfro. His ability was mezmerizing. What I first learned about pass defense came from Mel on TV. FP, your da man.
Thanks PE! Your the man as well! Thanks for your support!
Renfro to me is the greatest overall defensive back in Cowboys history! He was legendary in two different positions! You can't get better then that!
@@thelogicalcowboy I agree. Just watching him on TV was like watching Gale Sayers, Barry Sanders, Deon Sanders, TD Dorsett, Jim Brown. Those are guys with balls in their hands many times a game. Renfro's movement was equally fluid, smooth, deceiving. It was like a silver ghost on defense.
If I could chose an all time Dallas Cowboys Team Renfro would be on it.
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People forget he was the first great 3 way player in Cowboys history. He was a running back, speacial teams returner and dB all at the same time at one point in his career! A absolute legend!
@@thelogicalcowboy yeah, cause when I think of the incredible abundance of talent that has worn the ⭐ and name Renfro to such a great fictional team it means just what you say too. Renfro was a nightmare on many levels. Again, like Deon Sanders, almost. Can you imagine both in their prime on a team defense? Wouldn't even be fair.
To me D.Woodson is the ALL TIME GREATEST Safety the Cowboys have had. Can’t wait for Woodson #28 to become a Hall of Famer. I feel that he should have been in already, but they snubbed him his year because they were putting in so many Cowboys in this year’s class. Hopefully next year they will put him in.
Roy Williams has to be on there. D. Woodson said Williams first 5 years was the best defensive player hes ever seen. He said he made more game changing plays and he said he made people fear coming across the middle of the field.
Great video always coming thru with fire content
Thanks!
Charlie never was the same after that swing set hit him in the face and he got a bunch of stitches. If thats what really happened many years ago. Happened in the off season.
Wow! Never heard of that.
Dude that that #5 was savage. Is there like a PR campaign against this guy. those would be game of the week highlights back in the day or like the turning point play for teams nfl films makes For what it's im a bears fan and honestly cause of ditka have a soft for the Cowboys. they retired his#89 against the Cowboys come to think of it lol. im pausing at Waters game against well if it even can be called a game. Ditka kicked the Bears ass on the Dallas staff that day so, yeah footbal.
Exactly! 😂 😂
Big fan of Charlie Waters, but my favorite safety has to be Woodson. Luvd the way he played the game.
Your best video! Your a goat! Perfect list!
Thanks!!! 🙏
Great job. God bless America’s Team
Thanks bro 🙏
Great list😎👍...other honorable mentions imho..Dennis Thurman (also playes cb), Roy Williams, James Washington, ..also gotta love Bill Bates just for the respect he earned over the years...and if Thomas Everett would have stayed longer than the 2 seasons where he was a vital part of back to back super bowl champs..?🤷🏽♂️
One thing you left out; Cliff Harris was inducted into the Pro Football Hall of Fame in 2020.
Yep! Thanks for watching 🙏
Charlie Waters belongs in the Hall of Fame
He sure does!
Give Donovan Wilson a couple more years and he could move onto the list!
I completely agree. The guy is a stud!
This could be a top 10 list.Bill Bates is my honorable mention pick.He might not be as good as the top 5 players at safety,he was a heck of a special teams demon.I hope you do a top list of all around players on defense and linemen.Thanks for another great video.
I'm going to do a top 53 man roster in the near future after this series is over. We'll have a chance to put a lot more on the list! Thanks for watching!
@@thelogicalcowboy I look forward to the list.Thanks again.
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I agree with making Michael Downs #5 instead of Roy Williams. Williams could hit, but he couldn't cover worth a shlt, and to me, being able to cover is far more important than "being physical" when playing the safety position. CB Kevin Smith said Williams was oftentimes like "a deer in headlights" when it came to coverage. He just wasn't a good safety, in my opinion.
Nonetheless, thanks for making this video! I can tell you work hard on them! 👍
Thanks Larry for your continued support! 🙏
Could you imagine building a team of the all time best Cowboys. I'd pay to watch that.
I just started this and Darren Woodson better be on here.
I thought that our running backs and quarterbacks list were tops in the league possibly. After watching this I'm now convinced that safety may be our strongest 5D position. We didn't even have time to mention cowboy favorites like Washington and teague
And if you think about Waters Hughes Cliff Harris and Michael Downs Landry had four of the best safeties in the league at that time in the early eighties
You hit it on the nail. I was thinking the same thing! If we made a top 10 list we still would be missing good quality safeties! I cant see any other team with that much depth! Good point Andrew!
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Hughes was a monster! Only if he never got hurt! A legend in the making!
@@thelogicalcowboy and we didn't even have a place in the top 5 for maybe the favorite cowboy ever Bill Bates
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Exactly!
You're becoming a legend bro!
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This list is extremely hard because we haven't had the great safety in decades. Our current guys are just good players and we've yet to have a new age safety, TE or DT geeeeeeez
I agree bro!! Hopefully Wilson will be that guy! I'm a huge fan of the kid! Thanks for watching 🙏
What’s noticed is the cowboys players at every position probably have 1 in the top 5 in probably every position
True! Thanks for watching!
Charlie Waters was my idol as a kid
Good job, although this was an easy assessment! I agree with your order!!
For the most part it was easy. Until I got to Harris and Renfro! That one was difficult. If I had to do it again I probably would put Harris in second place. But I'm fine with the order since I can't change it. Lol
You did a great job here -
Thanks!
Of course, all of this is subjective which is part of the fun, but..... I love Michael Downs, but he was a Free Safety and not a strong safety in Landry's system; those are two different things. Free safety could be manned by a rookie, Cliff did it in '70 and Downs did it in '81. Strong safety was a much more complex position in Landry's scheme, and I don't think anyone did it better than Cornell Green. He only did it for 5 years after switching from CB at the age of 30, but he still made the Pro Bowl twice doing it. I've probably said this before, but he is the reason Charlie Waters was playing CB and not safety , Waters' more natural position. Green kept Charlie on the bench so to speak- and Charlie Waters was great at Strong safety. Also, look at the team defense sats for Dallas through the Landry year. Dallas' defense was awful for the years 1980-1988. They had a line and an MLB and not much else. My point being , that Dallas' secondary was horrible when Downs was there- that's why he made big plays on blitzes, cause Dallas' secondary, including Downs, was slow. After Dallas lost Kyle, the flood gates opened. Prior to that, from 1970-1978/9 , Dallas secondary was decent to great, and it was at its best when Green was playing SS.
TLC I was wondering if you could do a break down on the 90s cowboys dynasty the rise/fall and all of the key pieces like their all-pros and how would you rank them as the greatest dynasty.
Sure! Great idea!!
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Cliff Harris and Charlie Waters were a dynamic duo when I was a teenager in the late 70s. They were awesome and were an important part of the DALLAS COWBOYS dynasty.
Waters played the position with intelligence and finesse and Harris played like a cold-blooded assassin! That's perfect for a defensive backfield.
Cliff Harris was the type of player that you will never see in the NFL again!
That's why I've lost interest in the game.
Good post!
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Thanks dude!
Dallas has had so many good safeties in franchise history that you probably could have separated them and done a top five video for both strong safety and free safety.
Yep I probably should have. That would have been better. I'll probably do it sometime in the near future. Thanks Gorn!
Maybe some videos about best defensive coordinators? Dick Nolan, Ernie Stautner, Dave Wannestedt, Butch Davis, Rod Marinelli, Zimmer, Wade Phillips, Dan Quinn, I'd even throw in Dave Campo! And let's not forget the coach who invented the 4-3 and the Flex Defense...
Jus thinking, best offensive linemen would be kind of boring. I'd definitely watch, but still. Best placekicker?
Yeah that's a good idea!
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I already did top 5 tackles. So next up top 5 best gaurds and center's. Like you said I should have separated the safeties like I did the line!
@@thelogicalcowboy I'm going to watch that one now, we've had some great tackles!
Nailed the list, I’m curious if this was a top 7 list who would be 6 and 7.
Hard! I know he's not a big fan favorite among the older generation. But you have to go with Roy Williams at 6. In his prime he was a top 3 safety in the league. What would be really hard is the 7th pick! Maybe Bates, Mike Gaechter, Marion, James Washington... we had a lot of great safeties.
Walls is my all-time favorite Cowboy, Downs #2
I understand! Thanks for watching 🙏
The story goes that Gil Brant discovered Cliff Harris while scouting a running back from Hawaii. A skinny kid kept tackling him who ended up being Cliff. There were a few times Cliff is seen tackling Walter Peyton. It was dumb for any player tackling Walter he being one of the few players singled out as being beyond tough by Randy White.
Charlie Waters was the Sean Lee of the safeties without all the injuries. Cliff gave up his head and Charlie used his.
Didn't Woody and Roy Williams play together?
Yep! I believe they played together for two seasons!
Thank you, Logical Cowboy.
Thanks for watching!! 🙏
Hard but a great list
Thanks Stanley!
Randy Hughes was also good . He deserved a video clip as well
💯+ Darren Woodson not being in the Hall of Fame is total 🐄💩. Woodson was better than John Lynch and LeRoy Butler who are in. It has become like Drew Pearson not being inducted in a timely manner despite being the clutch receiver of the game during the 1970s where the passing game was much harder.
So many good safeties but D Wood is a HOF!!
Love the video ❤
Thanks Stanley!
Nice list but I would’ve either put Waters at #3 or have Waters and Harris tied for #3
Yep could've been done either way! They both were legendary! Thanks Appollos!
How about when charlie Waters hit on that monster wr for the eagles remember watching that as a kid thought he killed that guy.
When Capt Crash Cliff Harris hit you, you knew you'd been hit.
Michael Downs was a undrafted free agent just like Everson Walls in the same year 1981. Cornell Green should have been on this list and in the Cowboys Ring of Honor.
Yeah I adressd that in the comment section already. It was a mistake on my part. I have no idea why I said it. lol
As for Green, in my humble opinion he does not belong on this list. He only played 3 seasons as a elite safety. The other 2 which was the last seasons of his career wasn't as great. Keep in mind when he played safety it was outside of his prime. I do have him on the top 5 list as a CB. If you want to check it out here's the video... th-cam.com/video/PXk3RLuZQhI/w-d-xo.html
@@thelogicalcowboy Not trying to change your mind but you are wrong. 5xPro Bowler 1965-72 as many as Woodson more than Waters&Downs, 3xAll Pro more than Waters&, Downs. He scouted Cliff Harris for the Cowboys as an active player 1970-1972, Played SS well enough from 1970-75 keeping Harris and Waters sharing FS. Went to the Broncos years later scouted and developed All Pro S Dennis Smith and Steve Atwater. He played no Football before the Cowboys a UDFA being a 2x All American basketball player (drafted by NBA). Should be in the Ring of Honor at minimum and definitely top 5 on the S list.
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I respect your opinion 💯. My opinion is no better then yours. Enjoy the rest of your day bro! 🙏
Thanks for the research & video, as always. I have to respectfully disagree with your rankings, however. My top five safeties in team history are:
1- Harris
2- Woodson
3- Renfro
4- Downs
5- Waters
That's a good list too! Thanks for watching 🙏!
Downes was nice.
You should make a video about underrated CB kevin smith
Coming up! Thanks bro!
Woody also play kick off return if you did not mention.
He sure did! One of the best speacial teams tacklers in franchise history!
You've got the right 5, but I'm sorry, Mel, Cliff, and Charlie (in whatever order you choose) are ahead of Darren. Maybe not by much, but Woodson played in an era with far more nickel and dime coverage than the '70s Cowboys did. Basically, Charlie ran the show on defense (after Jordan retired), and that defense was one of the two or three best in NFL history. Charlie is so underrated, it makes me sick.
darren gets into the hall in 2024. charlie deserves to be enshrined as well.
Logical, you should have broken down by Best Strong Safety and Best Free Safety, that way you could have fit in everybody!
Best SS:
5) Bill Bates
4) Roy Williams
3) Michael Downs
2) Darren Woodson
1) Cliff Harris
Best FS:
5) Mike Gaechter
4) James Washington
3) Cornell Green
2) Mel Renfro
1) Charlie Waters
Also, Downs was not drafted in 1981, he was UDFA (along w his fellow UDFA defensive back teammate Everson Walls)
Yep you are right! I should have! Maybe I can do it in another video!
Yeah I made a correction about Downs and pinned it in the comment section! Don't know how I said that. Editing is not easy sometimes lol.
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Cliff Harris wasn't a strong safety, Mike Gaechter wasnt a free safety, Michael downs wasn't a strong safety and Charlie Waters wasn't a free safety.
@@Jackson-kq4ro well, mix and match however it best fits! I'm just trying to get everyone their due
@@Jackson-kq4ro isn't strong safety the position that plays the run the most and hits the most, while free safety is where you cover more?
That was a pretty good upload bro but i think you can do better. I knew nothing about Micheal Downs, nice job.
You think he can do better then this? This was awesome! One of his best work so far!
You trippen!
Thanks for watching CS! 🙏
Woodson should be in the HoF.
Michael Downs and Danny White are the most underrated players in Cowboys history period.
Great Stuff but u didn't give Thomas Everett or Brock Marion no Shout Outs James Big Play Washington. C'mon 🤔🧐💬🧐. Great Showcase on Michael Downs I forgot how underrated he was. Roy Williams first season as a cowboy rookie was sensational. Then, Roy got caught up too much trying make the big hit. His coverage suffer for it
Because of time I stay away from verbally shouting out all players who are honorable mentions. As you can tell the video was already long. What I try and do is put a highlight at the beginning of the video. That's my shout out. If you go back to the video you can see highlights of those safeties that you mentioned at the beginning of the video. Thanks for watching 🙏
@@thelogicalcowboy U did your usual thing. Michael Downs highly underrated. Darren Woodson deserve #1 spot he did it all .
@@thelogicalcowboy dude you know we would watch videos you made even if they were 30 minutes long. Give the people what they want!
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Loll thanks David!
Randy Hugjes too
Bennie Barnes was probably the best all around safety.
Why isn’t Cornell Green in the ROH?
Good question. Its a crime!
Benny Barnes was a hitter
Waters was always a better player than Harris. Intereceptions are a better judge of DB value than stopping the run. Thats an LBs job.
All of the uniforms and helmets from these vids should have never been changed. Patriots Patriot in a 2 point stance, Houston Oilers oil scaffolding, Tampa Bay's Buccaneer, The Jets, The Chargers, and any other team that changed. None changed for the better.
How Harris is in the HOF without Charlie Waters is a real head scratcher. Waters should of been inducted long time ago. Sometimes I think the Hall of Fame committee is a bunch of morons
I love your videos, but no mention of the FACT that Cliff Harris is in the Pro Football Hall of Fame. Huh? Football writers who voted for the 1970's All-Decade Team provided Captain Crash with the biggest positional voting gap of that decade. Twenty-Three football writers voted for Harris as being the 1st Team All-Decade safety whereas Dolphins safety Dick Anderson received only four votes. Neither Mel Renfro nor Darren Woodson were members of the 1960's or 1990's All-Decade Team.
Hey Phil thanks for tuning in. 🙏 I completely understand why you would have Cliff higher on the list. Cliff Harris was a legend! Im aware that we all have differences of opinions. My opinion is no better then yours. The *main* reasons why i do these videos is not to prove to people that my top 5 is superior then anyone else's list. My *main* purpose for these videos is to start a dialog among Cowboy fans and to highlight the greatness of these Football heroes. But I am a debater and from time to time I do enjoy a good debate. One of the debates that i had about this video is somewhere in this comment section under a comenter named "No way" go check it out. Both of us raised some good arguments on both sides. It was a good debate. Thanks again Phil!
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Thanks for watching 🙏!!