One of my major criticisms with 'Western Energy' is one that was set up by Harvest Moon Festival. That being Stolas' supposed immortality. When we are shown the Angelic Rifle it's meant to be a shock that it is capable of killing Demon Royalty...Except at no point before in the show was it suggested that you need Angelic Weapons to kill Demon Royalty. This is meant to be a big deal but it's a payoff with no setup. Also the lack of tension during Western Energy because what is meant to be a serious and tense situation where Stolas is being tortured by Striker is constantly undercut by jokes. Making the scene we're meant to be concerned for Stolas' wellbeing fall completely flat.
I see what you mean. Writing plays a huge role, and I can definitely notice the differences, along with some of the weaker choices Helluva Boss tends to make. The Amazing Digital Circus also has its fair share of questionable writing, but I still enjoy it. At the end of the day, it's all about personal opinions. The idea that these two shows can’t be compared is silly-any show can be, as long as the comparison is done thoughtfully. In fact, The Amazing Digital Circus and Helluva Boss are both independent animations, making them even more relevant to analyze side by side. I appreciate your take on it, and I think anyone who enjoys Helluva Boss while understanding writing fundamentals would agree. I’ve watched both The Amazing Digital Circus and Helluva Boss and can recognize the weaker aspects of HB’s writing. This video doesn’t seem like an attempt to bash the show, but rather an effort to bring its writing flaws into the mainstream discussion. And that’s a valid perspective-whether for fun or to highlight areas for improvement. This video isn’t harmful in the slightest! There’s nothing wrong with discussing the differences between two shows you love. I could easily critique some of The Amazing Digital Circus’ weaker moments, but that wouldn’t make me love it any less.
I think you offended some of the Helluva Boss fans😭 (When i first saw the series, i was enjoying it very much enjoying it until it started to become very soulless like no one took the time to actually write good dialogue)
@@DoughBoy_Sillyokay if I can interject may I say 1:yes I do agree with you saying helluva does have a issue with tone whiplash.the closest thing the digital circus has to this is Pomni being drag to hell then seeing ragatha enjoying tea with a dead ghost it’s brief and doesn’t take as much time as the loona and blitz thing. 2:however I do not agree with the idea that helluva doesn’t change.Season one builds on the show and it’s later events for season two to have everything already set up.for example striker who is a victim of vivs weakness for tone control when it comes to her writing but his presence is set up for the next season along with that there has been big changes for other characters the most obvious one is blitz and stoles relationship from friends with benefits with a power imbalance to romantic partners on the same level status wise.the circus has had development with the relationships from ep2 onwards. 3:Lastly and most importantly tadc and helluva boss have not much in common other than being popular indie shows I’m sorry it’s just a fact it’s like comparing spawn to the power puff girls they have only one thing in common and that’s being superhero shows but clearly there’s a major difference SHORT I agree with Viv lacking tone control but disagree with the idea that helluva doesn’t change and that the shows are similar
I can understand what your saying! Your second point definetely, third point I feel like they have more in common than what people are making it out to be. Both tackle ideas of place and belonging, mental health is def one they both really focus on, even in some ways the struggle of having people like you even if you arent a good person or you feel like you dont deserve it, they have a lot of common themes that rely on writing
I personally think that nobody should be comparing either of them they both have strong and weak points and it is unfair to point out one weak point tadc struggle is comedy yes it is a funny show but all of their jokes are one offs but they are both great shows and we may have preferences but that doesn’t make one better it is art to be appreciated Also yes the character development is poor and I think they are working on it idk great vid
I agree they both have their strong and weak points and its important to remember that, both are independent sucesses and its good to remember that they serve a good purpose in the animation industry!
I'm going to say it again since someone removed my comment they're two different shows you can watch whatever you want just because they don't like one show doesn't mean you have to make a whole video about it saying what's wrong with it just watch the other show that you like and be done with your life As simple as that I'm not even trying to be mean
If it's removed I apologize but it wasn't my doing, sometimes youtube flags stuff as inapropriate and doesn't allow it to be posted, and I agree you can watch both and enjoy them! I think people didn't fully watch my video to the end, I think both have redeeming qualities and faults and both have done really great things, I'll continue to watch and support both from the sideline as I think they do good thingd as a whole. On the flipside I think commentary is important and critisism is due for both, as eventually I do plan on making a "What Helluva does better than TADC" video, becayse both deserve their fair share.
@@DoughBoy_Silly I agree with what you're saying. it's just felt a little off that you were comparing to shows that are really good and for me who I love hb and tadc . It didn't feel the right to distance one and love the other so thanks for explaining that you're going to make another video shows the flaws of tadc and the good of hb
TL;DR at the end. This is a lot of text, so feel free to read as much or as little as you like: I’m not sure how well you’ll take this, but I had a quick look through your channel and didn’t find anything else directly related to TADC or HB before this video. So, I wanted to ask: why now, and why make this kind of comparison? Yes, I agree with a lot of your points about the writing, but you’re literally comparing a show with two full seasons to another that has only released its fourth episode. TADC has barely finished its setup phase (if it even has), and we still don’t have a clear idea of how things will develop or the direction it will take. I think it’s too soon to draw these kinds of conclusions. As far as I know, HB’s first episodes-and its first season in general-were highly praised and well-loved too. Most of the issues people have with it seemed to arise after the second season came out. The first season introduced a lot of ideas that the second season tried to expand on. For now, I view TADC similarly, with the four episodes so far feeling mostly like a setup for something larger that we don’t fully understand yet. As a fan of TADC, I admit I’m a bit worried. Theories and headcanons are already pouring in, and content creators are farming the same episodes for content left and right. What if the show turns out to be something completely different? What if we get a second season that tries to develop ideas from the first, but it doesn’t appeal to everyone? My biggest issue with HB is actually part of its fandom. Both delusional fans and relentless haters seem to project expectations onto the series that it never was-and never tried to be. I never watched HB expecting a complex series with a flawless plot. I always saw it as a parody of our society in hell, with funny moments, drama, and quirky characters. And honestly, I love TADC, but I approach it in a very similar way. It’s a series set in another reality (not sure if that’s the best way to describe their world), with bizarre and quirky characters, some humor, occasional drama, and a few daunting (maybe even scary) themes. That’s about it. One indie series that, from its pilot episode, seems to have a very different perspective for its plot is Lackadaisy. But it’s still essentially in its pilot stage, so there’s not much to say about it yet. Just to be clear, I’m not saying TADC and HB are similar shows, but that I view them in a similar light. And that’s what worries me the most: the fanbase. Both fandoms seem too eager to jump to conclusions and speculate on the plot before it’s even addressed in the show. I’m concerned that in a year or two, we’ll have a similar situation with future TADC episodes. We already saw issues arise with the character Jax after just two episodes. TL;DR: I think it’s too soon to draw these kinds of conclusions given what we have from TADC so far. I just hope some of the fandom can be a bit more patient with their theories and headcanons, so it doesn’t end up in the same situation as some of the HB fanbase.
Honestly nothing really, I just recently watched the new TADC episode and it made me think about how in Helluva I never saw character devlopment span for more than an episode which prompted me to make my opinion! I agree the fanbases I think for both are absolutely wild, some comment on this video back that up haha, I think both shows have great aspects and flaws, but the fandoms take things a little extreme
@@DoughBoy_Silly I’m sorry for another TL;DR at the end. It goes the same way: Thanks for your response! I think you made a completely fair point. For me, with TADC still being so early in its run, the series retains the effect you mentioned about character development spanning across episodes. New characters and themes are still being introduced or left aside as part of the ongoing setup, so I prefer to wait and see how events unfold and how they handle the development of some characters based on the foundation they’re still building. As you mentioned in another comment, some aspects of TADC are still hit or miss. One of the biggest examples for me is the situation with Gummigoo between episodes. It provided an interesting perspective on the NPCs, but whether it will turn into meaningful development for Gummigoo, Pomni, another character, or the plot as a whole is something I’m still waiting to see. One similarity I see between TADC and HB is exactly this kind of setup to some extent. It’s also one of the reasons I never had as many issues with HB Season 2 as others might have. HB Season 1 was largely about setup and introducing potential avenues for development. You had Blitz’s personality, the IMP team dynamics, the Goetia family troubles, and so on. Even though there were hints of development here and there, as you said, it wasn’t much-and that’s because the real development seems to be happening now with the more recent episodes. Take Blitz, for example. He started Season 1 with bravado and a selfish, self-destructive personality. Now, he seems to cherish his friends more sincerely and shows a deeper sense of care, especially in his relationship with Stolas. Stolas seems to be the first romance Blitz genuinely values in a meaningful way. When compared to how he handled things with Verosika, for instance, it’s clear there has been significant development. All in all, if the rumors about Seasons 3 and 4 of HB having 15 episodes each are true, we’re still not even halfway through the series. I also think the bulk of character and plot development is happening now with recent events and the introduction of new characters, and it’s far from done. I don’t know if TADC will stop after its first season or if it’s planned to continue, but I feel similarly about it. We’re barely seeing the initial stages of development stemming from its setup, and there’s a lot more yet to come. TL;DR: Sorry for the long text again! I totally see where you’re coming from, and it’s a completely fair point. I just wanted to share my different interpretation and take on both shows and explain why I usually prefer to wait and see more of a series before drawing conclusions.
@@VintageToilet I never intended for the questions to be about what the creator can or can't do on their own channel. If you read the text that followed those questions, I thought it would be clear that they were meant as an opening to the point I was trying to make. Yes, there are many comparisons and similarities to be established between both shows, but I also wanted to share my opinion on the matter. There is no right or wrong here, just different perspectives and interpretations. I’m sorry if I wasn’t able to make that clear from the start.
What do you mean lack of character development I'll give you an example. In the piolet blitz ddosnt know what insurance is by season 2 he knows what it is and by the end of it he insures his office
@@ECSOrder66 you do know it was a joke right. You don't have to get so defensive about something because you like it I could sit here all day and point out the flaws and nitpick at tadc but I respect the community enough not to do it I would hope other people could carry the same level of respect I do I am not telling you to watch the show or put on a fake smile but just ro simple let the community be
@Cormac-k6x She has said it is SOFT canon. So there are aspects, like whatever is shown in the actual show, that are canon FROM the pilot. The pilot itself, if it has no correlation to, or with the feel of the show, isn't. Example: Blitz's phone call is not canon, because Stolas is canonically not the threatening mastermind villain he was portrayed to be. The doctor's office, thus including the child being shot, and Blitz questioning insurance, is not canon. Because human kids are harmed by Hell's heat. And therefore the whole plot point surrounding this child, somehow alive even in Hell, is not canon. [Please ignore this message. OP got the comment that I was talking about "She said it was canon actually" (or something to that effect) completely deleted]
@ECSOrder66 at the end of the day both are whimsical adventures one takles subjects like divorce,cheating,abuse etc. Tadc I'm not saying don't touch some of this stuff but makes it more suttle and touches other things I'm not a huge fan of tadc but I can laugh at some of the jokes. I hope you can see where I come from and we can end this debate with a hand shake🫱 [respond with other hand emoji]
Both tackle with mental health themes, and also ragatha and jaxes dynamic of wanting someone to like you even if you dont care for them, its similar in nature to Blitzos dynamic with some other characters
I’m sorry but I don’t think you should be watching Helluva Boss if you don’t like the jokes, because the show doesn’t want to be to deep and just wants to be a fun thing to watch in your free time. (Expect for the last one because it was just stolas having an a panic attack)
"The show doesn't want to be deep" is the dumbest take I've heard after Sinsmas, which tries to delve into a heavy topic of disowning your own parent, learning to love again, and implied unwanted pregnancies being hidden from your partner. The show WANTS to be deep and mature, but it doesn't know how to do it properly.
"The show doesn't want to be deep" You say as it covers mental health issues, family issues, classism and corrupt governments, abuse and many other mature topics
Nah that’s a BS cope take. The show has gotten more dramatic in season 2 in many of its scenes but doesn’t know how to keep those impactful or blend them well with the comedy.
How are you going to compare a show that only has like 3 episodes and one that has 2 seasons?? Helluva boss season 1 was very promising and received a lot of praise much like TADC is now.
@@AsteriaLove Uhhh... you are not helping your point. If 2 seasons of a show was worse than 3 episodes of a show are, HB is getting WORSE the more it progresses.
@ my point is that TADC can get worse, compare helluva boss episodes 1-3 to TADC episodes 1-3 and anyone can say they’re both pretty solid. We’ve barely seen what TADC has to offer because season 1 isn’t even finished. It can still be ass.
@@AsteriaLove Just a quick reminder that the only reason HB got worse is because the writing did. As long as TADC stays consistent, it can run for 4 seasons, and be incredible. HB 1-3 was fine, I admit, I still enjoy them to this day, but that's because it was implying more nuance and depth into the characters than what ended up being the exact opposite by the end of the show (currently), so IF TADC keeps its nuance, it's going to be wonderful no matter what. Writing is key.
@@ECSOrder66 you’re saying a hypothetical. TADC can end up the same way. Great first episodes but as it continues the writing declines. Wouldn’t it make more sense to compare two shows that were finished? Rather than one that just started and one that is halfway done?
Look this show just isn’t your taste, but it doesn’t make one better. This show was originally meant to be a comedy show and then it developed a story within it, It’s basically if Family Guy and Rick and Morty had a baby in hell. You should just drop the show if you honestly don’t like that. Also did you even watch Sinsmas??
Sinsmas? Oh yeah, that's the one that completely brushed off Via's rightful explosion towards her dad for breaking his promise, by bringing up the medication he took. This show is doing EVERYTHING to soften the blow to Stolas, because it cannot bring itself to call out the awful actions of uwu owl boi, and stick with it.
@ECSOrder66 it really wasn't just the medication she was upset about to be fair. It was the fact that stolas would rather die for blitz than live for her.
@DarkninjaGD30 That was so short-lived, it may as well have not been there. Her explosion goes as follows: "You left me, you lied." "You don't love us, you chose him, and you love him." "Medication? OMG, is this my fault?! Was I keeping you here miserable, was I an obligation to stay with? Is that why you left? I cannot trust you anymore." "Have fun with him, bye." Ask yourself: Was it Blitz, or Stolas' depression that she used as an argument more? What statement was she dwelling on consistently, to prove that she's been abandoned? The medication, or Blitz?
@ECSOrder66 I ain't sure, but her character is nothing more than "oh, my dad isn't here, should cry right now," so idk how I should really know. I'm hoping it isn't like that next season.
@DarkninjaGD30 If the show stays as it is, it'll be worse. I'm so hoping they up their game. But I also know Vivzie's work, and she doesn't know how to write nuance. I don't think we can expect much, sadly.
I wanted this to be a short consisive video, to be honest I dont make youtube videos for publicity or for big audiences, im a small channel that just talks about points I like to share 🥲👍
i feel like comparing two completely different shows where one is only four episodes in and the other is literally only halfway through the entire series as a whole doesn't make any sense at all but you do you ig
@@sssshhhhrrrroooommmm The point she is making is that TADC is better than a longer-running show. That's a problem. We are only 4 episodes in, and TADC has already done everything that HB couldn't in 2 entire seasons.
I feel like they've done a better job at focusing on their serious topics without the need to constantly take away any serioussness by flashing to a joke immediately during or after, as well as having longer lasting character development that makes itself clear consistently throughout all the characters actions, but that's just what I believe!
Ladies & Gentlemen, this is the reason why indie animation isn't fully flourishing: bias. so many people want to butter up Glitch Productions as this flawless company that can do no wrong when there have been allegations of workplace mistreatment (Kevin's "apology" doesn't debunk anything since his actions don't back up his words. his words say that he's sorry and wants to get better while his actions say that he's learned nothing from the Celeste Controversy and wants to get all of his white knights back on his side so he can pretend this whole controversy never happened). while The Amazing Digital Circus is a good show, it's not objectively better than Helluva Boss. on the other side of the field, so many people want to crap on Vivziepop and say her shows are objectively terrible. not because they are. but because making mindless hate videos on Helluva Boss and Hazbin Hotel is a surefire way to get views. also this person clearly hasn't seen Mastermind and Sinsmas. the former had Stolas make a genuine sacrifice which lead to the start of his redemption arc. and the latter had him witnessing the consequences of his sacrifice but also has a heart-to-heart with Blitz at the end of the episode. they even kiss, cementing their love for each other in a beautiful way. the characters have developed. this person just doesn't realize it. and since these two shows are talked about constantly, other projects are largely ignored. if we want indie animation to truly soar, we need to put our biases aside. no more treating Vivziepop and her shows like they're the worst things since pineapple pizza. no more glazing mediocre at best shows like Murder Drones (if you like it, that's fine. just don't throw a hissy fit just because there's not gonna be a season 2 or bash people who criticize it or treat it like it's the best thing since sliced bread). and no more treating one show as superior. if we can do this, we can make something truly amazing
@@cherrybombwaffles518 The "genuine" sacrifice: *say you're a villain to turn Hell against you, proving that Andrealphus' and Striker's testimony is false, that Blitz's is true, yet Stolas is the only one who gets punished as all of Hell conveniently forgot that the hit man and the accuser lied, committing PERJURY* That is the worst writing I think I have ever seen. How could you ever say THIS is the standard of objectively better writing than a story about people being trapped in a digital world, and developing into characters with realistic personalities, motivations, and goals?
@@ECSOrder66 tell me you only saw one of the overly negative reviews of the episode without telling me that you only saw one of the overly negative reviews of the episode. he never said anything about what he was the Mastermind of. he was being vague on purpose. Andrealphus didn't get punished because they weren't seen as guilty. also I never said this show was objectively better than TADC. I love them both equally for different reasons.
I don't think TADC is the best thing since sliced bread, and I do think Helluva has great points and i enjoy the themeing of helluva much more! Some of the themes in TAdc are hit or miss, and sometimes they feel rushed. But, i do think character development is crucial to any good story and helluva just doesn't dtay consistent enough.
@@cherrybombwaffles518 "I never said the show is objectively better" Cute. You know it's still visible? "While TADC is a good show, it's not objectively better than Helluva Boss" You're not slick. Aw, now you think you know me. Fun fact: I didn't watch any reviews of Mastermind, this is my genuine take, and I know what I'm talking about. Don't do this with me, you don't know how many people zipped it after their argument was shattered because I actually had facts on my side. "Andrealphus didn't get punished because they weren't seen as guilty." Buddy, he lied. His testimony is false, the hitman's testimony is false. This is serious perjury. Being the judge, and the embodiment of Wrath, he would logically punish them for this. Come on. He's literally WRATH. And even if he wasn't, you cannot lie in court! If your testimony is not true, neither can you be trusted. Your case cannot be won if you aren't honest about what happened. And since Stolas was declared guilty, that confirms that they do believe Stolas faked his own assassination, as the "mastermind", therefore Blitz did NOT pay off Striker, rendering Striker's testimony false. This is standard law and order. Of course, didn't expect Vivzie to know that.
I Literally Have to Agreed with This, Screw Hazbin Hotel Because That Show is Too Devilish to Me and Idk why Those Toxic Hazbin Hotel Fans Couldn't Handle Some People's Opinion on Hazbin hotel just Because They Hate it so This is why I Support Jesus and God and Tadc and Murder Drones was a Lot Way Better then This Stupid Devilish Show.
If you think I'm hating blindly then you didn't watch the video, and they are alike, and I can use two independent animations and pieces of writing and compare them, its how a lot of analytical anylsis works
Dude, the creator of the video is allowed to have an opinion, and there are just certain qualities that make some shows better than others. Poor writing is poor writing, period. I like Helluva Boss but dude, the way some fans defend it so vehemently is wild. "Hateful bullshit"?? 😭😭
@ECSOrder66 I respect your opinion but these shows are in no way comparable. I personally prefer helluva boss because I can connect with the characters better, the animation is much more appealing to me, not to mention being a very queer positive show and it holds a very special place in my heart. I'm well aware of it's issues and what could be better, but calling it objectively worse from TADC is wrong.
I think its a matter of opinion, i think the writing in Helluva suffers a lot, TADC has more of a coherent writing schematic, i like helluvas themes better but the writing doesnt back those themes up quite as well as TADC does to its themes
@blanka.is.blanket It's really not wrong. I've noticed all throughout the show that we are gradually losing depth and nuance. To the point that Via, in Sinsmas, calls Stolas out on what he ACTUALLY did wrong, only to immediately jump to the false conclusion that he WANTED to leave her once he got the chance, and she was making him depressed. The writing narrative wants you to ignore that Via was correct, by immediately making her be so horribly incorrect. TADC isn't doing that. As it progresses, we actually get MORE development. More personality and relatable characters.
yes, but even Hazbin isn't as guilty of that, and other shows placed in hell dont do that either, you can have a balance! To me it just feels like they use it so obsessivly because they dont know what other jokes to write in their place
One of my major criticisms with 'Western Energy' is one that was set up by Harvest Moon Festival. That being Stolas' supposed immortality.
When we are shown the Angelic Rifle it's meant to be a shock that it is capable of killing Demon Royalty...Except at no point before in the show was it suggested that you need Angelic Weapons to kill Demon Royalty.
This is meant to be a big deal but it's a payoff with no setup.
Also the lack of tension during Western Energy because what is meant to be a serious and tense situation where Stolas is being tortured by Striker is constantly undercut by jokes.
Making the scene we're meant to be concerned for Stolas' wellbeing fall completely flat.
As someone in the 2 fandoms, anything is better than helluva boss. (Except Hazbin Hotel.)
@W0mPw0mP1-1 Agreed, Helluva Boss was leagues better than Hazbin. Still not great in the grand scheme of things, but it's fine.
I see what you mean. Writing plays a huge role, and I can definitely notice the differences, along with some of the weaker choices Helluva Boss tends to make. The Amazing Digital Circus also has its fair share of questionable writing, but I still enjoy it. At the end of the day, it's all about personal opinions.
The idea that these two shows can’t be compared is silly-any show can be, as long as the comparison is done thoughtfully. In fact, The Amazing Digital Circus and Helluva Boss are both independent animations, making them even more relevant to analyze side by side. I appreciate your take on it, and I think anyone who enjoys Helluva Boss while understanding writing fundamentals would agree.
I’ve watched both The Amazing Digital Circus and Helluva Boss and can recognize the weaker aspects of HB’s writing. This video doesn’t seem like an attempt to bash the show, but rather an effort to bring its writing flaws into the mainstream discussion. And that’s a valid perspective-whether for fun or to highlight areas for improvement.
This video isn’t harmful in the slightest! There’s nothing wrong with discussing the differences between two shows you love. I could easily critique some of The Amazing Digital Circus’ weaker moments, but that wouldn’t make me love it any less.
Helluva Boss be better of with standalone episodes but the droped the premiss ages ago and are now stick
I think you offended some of the Helluva Boss fans😭 (When i first saw the series, i was enjoying it very much enjoying it until it started to become very soulless like no one took the time to actually write good dialogue)
A little lol
@@DoughBoy_Silly I think you'll make a pretty penny from videos like these👍
I actually don't monitize my content but I get what youre saying lol
@@DoughBoy_Silly sooo do you plan on monetizing them😃?
No, i feel like when you make videos based on sensitive topics like I tend to do it's weird to then monetize off those videos.
I agree, The Amazing Digital Circus has better writing but I still enjoy both.
Thats totally valid! I like the theming of Helluva much more, both have their strenghts and I'll continue to watch both!
I mean helluva and tadc are like wildly diff made for diff audiences
Yes but good writing devices are for all audiences 👍
@@DoughBoy_Sillyokay if I can interject may I say
1:yes I do agree with you saying helluva does have a issue with tone whiplash.the closest thing the digital circus has to this is Pomni being drag to hell then seeing ragatha enjoying tea with a dead ghost it’s brief and doesn’t take as much time as the loona and blitz thing.
2:however I do not agree with the idea that helluva doesn’t change.Season one builds on the show and it’s later events for season two to have everything already set up.for example striker who is a victim of vivs weakness for tone control when it comes to her writing but his presence is set up for the next season along with that there has been big changes for other characters the most obvious one is blitz and stoles relationship from friends with benefits with a power imbalance to romantic partners on the same level status wise.the circus has had development with the relationships from ep2 onwards.
3:Lastly and most importantly tadc and helluva boss have not much in common other than being popular indie shows I’m sorry it’s just a fact it’s like comparing spawn to the power puff girls they have only one thing in common and that’s being superhero shows but clearly there’s a major difference
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I agree with Viv lacking tone control but disagree with the idea that helluva doesn’t change and that the shows are similar
I can understand what your saying! Your second point definetely, third point I feel like they have more in common than what people are making it out to be. Both tackle ideas of place and belonging, mental health is def one they both really focus on, even in some ways the struggle of having people like you even if you arent a good person or you feel like you dont deserve it, they have a lot of common themes that rely on writing
I personally think that nobody should be comparing either of them they both have strong and weak points and it is unfair to point out one weak point tadc struggle is comedy yes it is a funny show but all of their jokes are one offs but they are both great shows and we may have preferences but that doesn’t make one better it is art to be appreciated
Also yes the character development is poor and I think they are working on it idk great vid
I agree they both have their strong and weak points and its important to remember that, both are independent sucesses and its good to remember that they serve a good purpose in the animation industry!
@@DoughBoy_Silly thank you for the understanding
As A Helluva Boss Fan, I Agree With This Take.
I'm going to say it again since someone removed my comment they're two different shows you can watch whatever you want just because they don't like one show doesn't mean you have to make a whole video about it saying what's wrong with it just watch the other show that you like and be done with your life
As simple as that I'm not even trying to be mean
I didn't remove your comment?
If it's removed I apologize but it wasn't my doing, sometimes youtube flags stuff as inapropriate and doesn't allow it to be posted, and I agree you can watch both and enjoy them! I think people didn't fully watch my video to the end, I think both have redeeming qualities and faults and both have done really great things, I'll continue to watch and support both from the sideline as I think they do good thingd as a whole.
On the flipside I think commentary is important and critisism is due for both, as eventually I do plan on making a "What Helluva does better than TADC" video, becayse both deserve their fair share.
@DoughBoy_Silly I guess TH-cam did
@@DoughBoy_Silly I agree with what you're saying. it's just felt a little off that you were comparing to shows that are really good and for me who I love hb and tadc . It didn't feel the right to distance one and love the other so thanks for explaining that you're going to make another video shows the flaws of tadc and the good of hb
I am currently only making 5-6 min videos so they tend to be a little disgruntled and that's totally on me!
TL;DR at the end. This is a lot of text, so feel free to read as much or as little as you like:
I’m not sure how well you’ll take this, but I had a quick look through your channel and didn’t find anything else directly related to TADC or HB before this video. So, I wanted to ask: why now, and why make this kind of comparison?
Yes, I agree with a lot of your points about the writing, but you’re literally comparing a show with two full seasons to another that has only released its fourth episode. TADC has barely finished its setup phase (if it even has), and we still don’t have a clear idea of how things will develop or the direction it will take. I think it’s too soon to draw these kinds of conclusions.
As far as I know, HB’s first episodes-and its first season in general-were highly praised and well-loved too. Most of the issues people have with it seemed to arise after the second season came out. The first season introduced a lot of ideas that the second season tried to expand on. For now, I view TADC similarly, with the four episodes so far feeling mostly like a setup for something larger that we don’t fully understand yet.
As a fan of TADC, I admit I’m a bit worried. Theories and headcanons are already pouring in, and content creators are farming the same episodes for content left and right. What if the show turns out to be something completely different? What if we get a second season that tries to develop ideas from the first, but it doesn’t appeal to everyone?
My biggest issue with HB is actually part of its fandom. Both delusional fans and relentless haters seem to project expectations onto the series that it never was-and never tried to be. I never watched HB expecting a complex series with a flawless plot. I always saw it as a parody of our society in hell, with funny moments, drama, and quirky characters. And honestly, I love TADC, but I approach it in a very similar way. It’s a series set in another reality (not sure if that’s the best way to describe their world), with bizarre and quirky characters, some humor, occasional drama, and a few daunting (maybe even scary) themes. That’s about it. One indie series that, from its pilot episode, seems to have a very different perspective for its plot is Lackadaisy. But it’s still essentially in its pilot stage, so there’s not much to say about it yet.
Just to be clear, I’m not saying TADC and HB are similar shows, but that I view them in a similar light. And that’s what worries me the most: the fanbase. Both fandoms seem too eager to jump to conclusions and speculate on the plot before it’s even addressed in the show. I’m concerned that in a year or two, we’ll have a similar situation with future TADC episodes. We already saw issues arise with the character Jax after just two episodes.
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I think it’s too soon to draw these kinds of conclusions given what we have from TADC so far. I just hope some of the fandom can be a bit more patient with their theories and headcanons, so it doesn’t end up in the same situation as some of the HB fanbase.
Honestly nothing really, I just recently watched the new TADC episode and it made me think about how in Helluva I never saw character devlopment span for more than an episode which prompted me to make my opinion!
I agree the fanbases I think for both are absolutely wild, some comment on this video back that up haha, I think both shows have great aspects and flaws, but the fandoms take things a little extreme
They can make whatever they want, it’s their channel.
Also both being indie shows make the comparison not that strange idk.
@@DoughBoy_Silly I’m sorry for another TL;DR at the end. It goes the same way:
Thanks for your response! I think you made a completely fair point. For me, with TADC still being so early in its run, the series retains the effect you mentioned about character development spanning across episodes. New characters and themes are still being introduced or left aside as part of the ongoing setup, so I prefer to wait and see how events unfold and how they handle the development of some characters based on the foundation they’re still building.
As you mentioned in another comment, some aspects of TADC are still hit or miss. One of the biggest examples for me is the situation with Gummigoo between episodes. It provided an interesting perspective on the NPCs, but whether it will turn into meaningful development for Gummigoo, Pomni, another character, or the plot as a whole is something I’m still waiting to see.
One similarity I see between TADC and HB is exactly this kind of setup to some extent. It’s also one of the reasons I never had as many issues with HB Season 2 as others might have. HB Season 1 was largely about setup and introducing potential avenues for development. You had Blitz’s personality, the IMP team dynamics, the Goetia family troubles, and so on. Even though there were hints of development here and there, as you said, it wasn’t much-and that’s because the real development seems to be happening now with the more recent episodes.
Take Blitz, for example. He started Season 1 with bravado and a selfish, self-destructive personality. Now, he seems to cherish his friends more sincerely and shows a deeper sense of care, especially in his relationship with Stolas. Stolas seems to be the first romance Blitz genuinely values in a meaningful way. When compared to how he handled things with Verosika, for instance, it’s clear there has been significant development.
All in all, if the rumors about Seasons 3 and 4 of HB having 15 episodes each are true, we’re still not even halfway through the series. I also think the bulk of character and plot development is happening now with recent events and the introduction of new characters, and it’s far from done. I don’t know if TADC will stop after its first season or if it’s planned to continue, but I feel similarly about it. We’re barely seeing the initial stages of development stemming from its setup, and there’s a lot more yet to come.
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Sorry for the long text again! I totally see where you’re coming from, and it’s a completely fair point. I just wanted to share my different interpretation and take on both shows and explain why I usually prefer to wait and see more of a series before drawing conclusions.
@@VintageToilet I never intended for the questions to be about what the creator can or can't do on their own channel. If you read the text that followed those questions, I thought it would be clear that they were meant as an opening to the point I was trying to make. Yes, there are many comparisons and similarities to be established between both shows, but I also wanted to share my opinion on the matter. There is no right or wrong here, just different perspectives and interpretations. I’m sorry if I wasn’t able to make that clear from the start.
I can totally understand that homie, sometimes it is better to wait and see and that's a totally valid way of looking at things!
What do you mean lack of character development I'll give you an example. In the piolet blitz ddosnt know what insurance is by season 2 he knows what it is and by the end of it he insures his office
Oh, you mean the pilot that was never canon? THAT'S your big character development example?
@@ECSOrder66she has said it is cannon tho it wasnt for like 2 months
@@ECSOrder66 you do know it was a joke right. You don't have to get so defensive about something because you like it I could sit here all day and point out the flaws and nitpick at tadc but I respect the community enough not to do it I would hope other people could carry the same level of respect I do I am not telling you to watch the show or put on a fake smile but just ro simple let the community be
@Cormac-k6x She has said it is SOFT canon. So there are aspects, like whatever is shown in the actual show, that are canon FROM the pilot. The pilot itself, if it has no correlation to, or with the feel of the show, isn't.
Example: Blitz's phone call is not canon, because Stolas is canonically not the threatening mastermind villain he was portrayed to be.
The doctor's office, thus including the child being shot, and Blitz questioning insurance, is not canon. Because human kids are harmed by Hell's heat. And therefore the whole plot point surrounding this child, somehow alive even in Hell, is not canon.
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@ECSOrder66 at the end of the day both are whimsical adventures one takles subjects like divorce,cheating,abuse etc. Tadc I'm not saying don't touch some of this stuff but makes it more suttle and touches other things I'm not a huge fan of tadc but I can laugh at some of the jokes. I hope you can see where I come from and we can end this debate with a hand shake🫱 [respond with other hand emoji]
Helluva and Digital Circus have literally nothing alike each other to be comparable
They have similar themes, similar production backgrounds, and I can compare writing techniques between two different pieces of media
@@DoughBoy_Silly wdym similar themes
@@DoughBoy_Sillyoh my days ur so dumb *disappointed in myself*
Both tackle with mental health themes, and also ragatha and jaxes dynamic of wanting someone to like you even if you dont care for them, its similar in nature to Blitzos dynamic with some other characters
Whatever you say lol, they do have similar themes and to say they dont means you haven't watched either
I’m sorry but I don’t think you should be watching Helluva Boss if you don’t like the jokes, because the show doesn’t want to be to deep and just wants to be a fun thing to watch in your free time. (Expect for the last one because it was just stolas having an a panic attack)
"The show doesn't want to be deep" is the dumbest take I've heard after Sinsmas, which tries to delve into a heavy topic of disowning your own parent, learning to love again, and implied unwanted pregnancies being hidden from your partner.
The show WANTS to be deep and mature, but it doesn't know how to do it properly.
"The show doesn't want to be deep"
You say as it covers mental health issues, family issues, classism and corrupt governments, abuse and many other mature topics
If it doesn't want to be deep it should stop trying so hard to be deep.
I never thought someone would reply
Nah that’s a BS cope take. The show has gotten more dramatic in season 2 in many of its scenes but doesn’t know how to keep those impactful or blend them well with the comedy.
How are you going to compare a show that only has like 3 episodes and one that has 2 seasons??
Helluva boss season 1 was very promising and received a lot of praise much like TADC is now.
@@AsteriaLove Uhhh... you are not helping your point. If 2 seasons of a show was worse than 3 episodes of a show are, HB is getting WORSE the more it progresses.
@ my point is that TADC can get worse, compare helluva boss episodes 1-3 to TADC episodes 1-3 and anyone can say they’re both pretty solid. We’ve barely seen what TADC has to offer because season 1 isn’t even finished. It can still be ass.
@@AsteriaLove Just a quick reminder that the only reason HB got worse is because the writing did. As long as TADC stays consistent, it can run for 4 seasons, and be incredible. HB 1-3 was fine, I admit, I still enjoy them to this day, but that's because it was implying more nuance and depth into the characters than what ended up being the exact opposite by the end of the show (currently), so IF TADC keeps its nuance, it's going to be wonderful no matter what. Writing is key.
@@AsteriaLovejust because TADC can possibly be ass, doesn’t excuse most of HB current writing.
@@ECSOrder66 you’re saying a hypothetical. TADC can end up the same way. Great first episodes but as it continues the writing declines. Wouldn’t it make more sense to compare two shows that were finished? Rather than one that just started and one that is halfway done?
Look this show just isn’t your taste, but it doesn’t make one better.
This show was originally meant to be a comedy show and then it developed a story within it,
It’s basically if Family Guy and Rick and Morty had a baby in hell.
You should just drop the show if you honestly don’t like that.
Also did you even watch Sinsmas??
Sinsmas? Oh yeah, that's the one that completely brushed off Via's rightful explosion towards her dad for breaking his promise, by bringing up the medication he took. This show is doing EVERYTHING to soften the blow to Stolas, because it cannot bring itself to call out the awful actions of uwu owl boi, and stick with it.
@ECSOrder66 it really wasn't just the medication she was upset about to be fair. It was the fact that stolas would rather die for blitz than live for her.
@DarkninjaGD30 That was so short-lived, it may as well have not been there.
Her explosion goes as follows:
"You left me, you lied."
"You don't love us, you chose him, and you love him."
"Medication? OMG, is this my fault?! Was I keeping you here miserable, was I an obligation to stay with? Is that why you left? I cannot trust you anymore."
"Have fun with him, bye."
Ask yourself: Was it Blitz, or Stolas' depression that she used as an argument more? What statement was she dwelling on consistently, to prove that she's been abandoned? The medication, or Blitz?
@ECSOrder66 I ain't sure, but her character is nothing more than "oh, my dad isn't here, should cry right now," so idk how I should really know. I'm hoping it isn't like that next season.
@DarkninjaGD30 If the show stays as it is, it'll be worse. I'm so hoping they up their game.
But I also know Vivzie's work, and she doesn't know how to write nuance. I don't think we can expect much, sadly.
You use only Western Energy as an example. Is that it?
I wanted this to be a short consisive video, to be honest I dont make youtube videos for publicity or for big audiences, im a small channel that just talks about points I like to share 🥲👍
i feel like comparing two completely different shows where one is only four episodes in and the other is literally only halfway through the entire series as a whole doesn't make any sense at all but you do you ig
@@sssshhhhrrrroooommmm The point she is making is that TADC is better than a longer-running show. That's a problem. We are only 4 episodes in, and TADC has already done everything that HB couldn't in 2 entire seasons.
@@ECSOrder66 i'm confused what have they done that HB hasn't?
I feel like they've done a better job at focusing on their serious topics without the need to constantly take away any serioussness by flashing to a joke immediately during or after, as well as having longer lasting character development that makes itself clear consistently throughout all the characters actions, but that's just what I believe!
@@sssshhhhrrrroooommmm Nuance.
@@ECSOrder66 sorry i don't understand what you mean by that
Ladies & Gentlemen, this is the reason why indie animation isn't fully flourishing: bias. so many people want to butter up Glitch Productions as this flawless company that can do no wrong when there have been allegations of workplace mistreatment (Kevin's "apology" doesn't debunk anything since his actions don't back up his words. his words say that he's sorry and wants to get better while his actions say that he's learned nothing from the Celeste Controversy and wants to get all of his white knights back on his side so he can pretend this whole controversy never happened). while The Amazing Digital Circus is a good show, it's not objectively better than Helluva Boss. on the other side of the field, so many people want to crap on Vivziepop and say her shows are objectively terrible. not because they are. but because making mindless hate videos on Helluva Boss and Hazbin Hotel is a surefire way to get views. also this person clearly hasn't seen Mastermind and Sinsmas. the former had Stolas make a genuine sacrifice which lead to the start of his redemption arc. and the latter had him witnessing the consequences of his sacrifice but also has a heart-to-heart with Blitz at the end of the episode. they even kiss, cementing their love for each other in a beautiful way. the characters have developed. this person just doesn't realize it. and since these two shows are talked about constantly, other projects are largely ignored. if we want indie animation to truly soar, we need to put our biases aside. no more treating Vivziepop and her shows like they're the worst things since pineapple pizza. no more glazing mediocre at best shows like Murder Drones (if you like it, that's fine. just don't throw a hissy fit just because there's not gonna be a season 2 or bash people who criticize it or treat it like it's the best thing since sliced bread). and no more treating one show as superior. if we can do this, we can make something truly amazing
@@cherrybombwaffles518 The "genuine" sacrifice: *say you're a villain to turn Hell against you, proving that Andrealphus' and Striker's testimony is false, that Blitz's is true, yet Stolas is the only one who gets punished as all of Hell conveniently forgot that the hit man and the accuser lied, committing PERJURY*
That is the worst writing I think I have ever seen. How could you ever say THIS is the standard of objectively better writing than a story about people being trapped in a digital world, and developing into characters with realistic personalities, motivations, and goals?
@@ECSOrder66 tell me you only saw one of the overly negative reviews of the episode without telling me that you only saw one of the overly negative reviews of the episode. he never said anything about what he was the Mastermind of. he was being vague on purpose. Andrealphus didn't get punished because they weren't seen as guilty. also I never said this show was objectively better than TADC. I love them both equally for different reasons.
I don't think TADC is the best thing since sliced bread, and I do think Helluva has great points and i enjoy the themeing of helluva much more! Some of the themes in TAdc are hit or miss, and sometimes they feel rushed. But, i do think character development is crucial to any good story and helluva just doesn't dtay consistent enough.
@@cherrybombwaffles518 great response honestly.
@@cherrybombwaffles518 "I never said the show is objectively better"
Cute. You know it's still visible? "While TADC is a good show, it's not objectively better than Helluva Boss" You're not slick.
Aw, now you think you know me. Fun fact: I didn't watch any reviews of Mastermind, this is my genuine take, and I know what I'm talking about. Don't do this with me, you don't know how many people zipped it after their argument was shattered because I actually had facts on my side.
"Andrealphus didn't get punished because they weren't seen as guilty."
Buddy, he lied. His testimony is false, the hitman's testimony is false. This is serious perjury. Being the judge, and the embodiment of Wrath, he would logically punish them for this. Come on. He's literally WRATH. And even if he wasn't, you cannot lie in court! If your testimony is not true, neither can you be trusted. Your case cannot be won if you aren't honest about what happened. And since Stolas was declared guilty, that confirms that they do believe Stolas faked his own assassination, as the "mastermind", therefore Blitz did NOT pay off Striker, rendering Striker's testimony false. This is standard law and order. Of course, didn't expect Vivzie to know that.
What does this have to do with tadc and helluva boss 😭
Character development?
I Literally Have to Agreed with This, Screw Hazbin Hotel Because That Show is Too Devilish to Me and Idk why Those Toxic Hazbin Hotel Fans Couldn't Handle Some People's Opinion on Hazbin hotel just Because They Hate it so
This is why I Support Jesus and God and Tadc and Murder Drones was a Lot Way Better then This Stupid Devilish Show.
"stupid devilish show" just shut up at this point
Bro got his Jesus rant cut off in an hour before the amener’s could come
@@AngelinaLovesTadcAndMD I'm Christian, but can we... not?
Why are we comparing 2 shows that aren’t at all alike? The only thing they have in common is being indie animated. Stop this hateful bullshit
If you think I'm hating blindly then you didn't watch the video, and they are alike, and I can use two independent animations and pieces of writing and compare them, its how a lot of analytical anylsis works
Dude, the creator of the video is allowed to have an opinion, and there are just certain qualities that make some shows better than others. Poor writing is poor writing, period. I like Helluva Boss but dude, the way some fans defend it so vehemently is wild. "Hateful bullshit"?? 😭😭
calling it outright better is WILD.
@blanka.is.blanket But true
@ECSOrder66 I respect your opinion but these shows are in no way comparable. I personally prefer helluva boss because I can connect with the characters better, the animation is much more appealing to me, not to mention being a very queer positive show and it holds a very special place in my heart. I'm well aware of it's issues and what could be better, but calling it objectively worse from TADC is wrong.
I think its a matter of opinion, i think the writing in Helluva suffers a lot, TADC has more of a coherent writing schematic, i like helluvas themes better but the writing doesnt back those themes up quite as well as TADC does to its themes
@blanka.is.blanket It's really not wrong. I've noticed all throughout the show that we are gradually losing depth and nuance. To the point that Via, in Sinsmas, calls Stolas out on what he ACTUALLY did wrong, only to immediately jump to the false conclusion that he WANTED to leave her once he got the chance, and she was making him depressed. The writing narrative wants you to ignore that Via was correct, by immediately making her be so horribly incorrect.
TADC isn't doing that. As it progresses, we actually get MORE development. More personality and relatable characters.
alr, I agree to disagree
Helluva Boss is a show for adults also in the description it says sex jokes so I’d highly expect there to be plenty of sex jokes
I feel like they can be funny, but they overuse it to where it stops being funny. TADCs comedy is also lacking in a lot of departments as well
@DoughBoy_Silly they are demons, committing sin is what they are meant to do, they talk to the SIN OF LUST the most
yes, but even Hazbin isn't as guilty of that, and other shows placed in hell dont do that either, you can have a balance! To me it just feels like they use it so obsessivly because they dont know what other jokes to write in their place