Great video! I have been waiting forever for somebody to test that Makita grinder, not only did you do that but you got your hands on the new 4ah tabless F battery pack first This is the best tool testing channel on TH-cam and it's extremely underrated! Keep up the good work man, you are a saint!
Wow I knew gen2 makita will be good but these numbers shocked me... They rate it for 2300w so glad to see they weren't lying lol. Thanks and can't wait to see more :)
Damn. Milwaukee and Makita really laying down some heat - both figuratively and literally! When you get the Flexvolt, I'd love to see an in-depth test of these 3 with real world tests and temp measurements. Great vid, thank you!
Yeah I was shocked, had to use 2 additional load cells. That new 40V tabless cell packs a punch, along with the Forge's. More than ever we can see the battery packs are important, if I had the new 8+ the Bosch would probably jump in watts. I cant wait to test the Flex volt Dewalt and DE Metablo. Thanks!
These new top models are finally in the topend corded grinder territory on 220v. These might be the last powertools where corded (not air!) is/was still ahead.
And don't forget these numbers are mechanical watts. They're probably consuming at least 3000 electrical watts, and a brushless motor is more efficient than a brushed universal motor in a 240Vac grinder.
These top dog cordless grinders are utterly insane! I’m sure the runtime is less then 10 minutes if they’re running anywhere near max power continually. But even still, that’s incredible performance! One other commenter asked if you had tested the flat head/deep reach Milwaukee grinder, I second his request! Though I completely understand that you’re still pouring a ton of money in for minimal to no return yet, hoping that changes soon. Just for crazies sake, I’d also love to see you get your hands on and test the old Ridgid octane 36 volt grinder! It ran off two 18 volt batteries and was designed to spin a ten inch wheel! I’ve heard it has utterly insane power but it is 10+ years old now and not many were made. Awesome video as always!
I have the Milwaukee 125mm angle grinder. The 5.0 amp battery gives me more than enough power for medium duty work. Cuts thru rebar and steel fence posts like butter. I might get the Forge 12.0 amp just to test it out. The Forge💥💥
I'm beginning to think Milwaukee is making to many sacrifices to have the strongest tools... Needs the most expensive batteries, they run hot, tool runs hot, batteries don't last long etc... People going to be using that warranty a lot i think
You have helped me tremendously by showing me that the new FORGE batteries may be too much for older Milwaukee tools. I will be using FORGE only on new models.
6:40.. Very impressed with the Ridgid..Up in the mix with grinders and batteries costing 2x-3x more...I've never been let down by Ridgid's performance ...👍
Yep, I hope we see a tabless 8ah next year, idk how true it is but from what I have read tabless cells are cheaper to produce so it's probably only a matter of time. You really cant beat rigid when it comes to cost/performance.
I have the milwaukee the one in the video and i am really impres by how hard is it to stall and much more powerfull compared to the prior gen 6" , you need to run it with the forge tho but i don't mind , i am really impress with the makita too love xgt stuff as well just i am impress with the m18 stuff being 18v and kicking ass
@Tools-Tested yeah I hear ya. I'm interested to hear long term reviews on the forge packs. I know a lot of M18 brag that milwaukee never needed to up their voltage to get more power, but they've inadvertently created a whole new "M18 Forge" lineup since their new stuff will destroy older batteries. I'm sure many will still fall for the "fits all m18 batteries" advertising though
The -15 cordless from EU is the same as the American -13. In Europe the 15 stands for 1500W while in America the 13 stands for 13 amps corded equivalent which would effectively end up being about 1500W. The tabless cells would be all you need to get an improvement
Hey, I love you testing! Can you include some kind of constant baseline as a calibration of sorts, something with a known wattage out like a corded grinder? I’m particularly interested in Metabo’s such as their WEP-19-150 which should be their 1900W input 6 inch grinder.
@ oh thanks, I missed that, I’ll take a look for it! I do see that model and I’m hoping you’ll add some of the original German Metabo grinders to the mix. The dark green German ones (not the Metabo HPT line) is the tried and true industry standard from what I’ve been seeing.
I have the flex 24v variable speed 4-5” grinder as well as the Metabo HPT also variable speed model 36v g3615dvf I believe is the model its the 6” paddle switch, holler at me if you wanna test it, I’ve been following ya for a while and I wouldn’t mind to help ya with all the info you share and you definitely buy enough tools as it is and everyone likes to see how the brands and models all stack up against each other. Also the g3615 I feel falls into a good range and combination of power and runtime imo, def not gonna beat the dcg418 but it’s still got some power man
@Tools-Tested it gets a blurb in the charts, but it doesn't get the air time afforded a non-contender like the Ryobi. Did you try it with the 10ah stacked lithium?
No DeWalt flexvolt? Only been out since 2016. Been reigned the top by.... Like everyone. Got the new special Milwaukee stuff but won't include the king for the past like 4 years minimum. Cheaper than the Makita and Milwaukee too...... Why?
Simple, I had the new tabless battery from Makita and Milwaukee. Im also not made of money so I had to make a choice. The DCG418 will be with the 460 hopefully next month.
The dcg418 is rated at 2300w out. If the claim is correct it should slight better than Milwaukee and slightly under Makita. Very impressive for a 5 year old tool!
I dont think people realize the significance of 2.5kw from a handheld battery tool. A regular 18v 2ah 1p compact battery is rated for like a max power delivery of 180-270w while a 4ah 2p is rared fir like 360-540w (actually very common to see 15a cells in 1p and 10a cells in 2p, so they'd be at 270 and 360w so they could base the tool lineup around 300w) So when you are putting down several kw from a hand tool, that's more than a completely bogged down 15a circuit. Actually, the makita guzzles down more than a 20a ciruit and would need to be eirher 3 phase or 240v depending on where in the world you live. Honestly, a 3 1/4hp motor in hand is a truly terrifying to think about.
I think the Makita exceeds even 240V. Most of our power points are 2.4kW max. But the Makita is doing 2.4kW output power, which at 80% efficiency is 3kW input. Truly scary for a small tool with an exposed blade.
@toolscientist electric motors are actually a lot more efficient than that, more like 90-97%. Efficiency would be a major focus of battery powered tools as the power source is limited in current and capacity.
@Tools-Tested well when you think about it, 40v and 56/60v platforms are used for things like 2 stage snowblowers, rear line tillers, augers and even ride on lawn mowers. When you start taking these sized batteries and putting them to hand tools, it's a different class.
@riba2233 Well, we will see once it goes on the torque test channel, I suppose, but for the last 6 years, nothing has come close to it! I've had mine over 5 years now, and it pisses all over the electric grinders.
Milwaukee may have edged out makita, but the makita batteries will ALWAYS outlast the Milwaukee in terms of longevity. I've got 10 year old LXT batteries still whooping așș when guys at the shop are replacing Milwaukee batteries 2-3 years in
Milwaukee's biggest 12ah battery was smashed by a tiny 4ah 40v Makita pack. Makita also makes an 8ah pack as well. where exactly did Milwaukee edge out the Makita?
As cool as this is, with more power comes shorter battery life, unless you spend hundreds more on the biggest batteries. And even then, I don't know if I even need more power than my current 2888-20.
Great video! I have been waiting forever for somebody to test that Makita grinder, not only did you do that but you got your hands on the new 4ah tabless F battery pack first This is the best tool testing channel on TH-cam and it's extremely underrated! Keep up the good work man, you are a saint!
Wow I knew gen2 makita will be good but these numbers shocked me... They rate it for 2300w so glad to see they weren't lying lol. Thanks and can't wait to see more :)
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@@UncleIvan1😅 good one
That is with a gigantic battery, basically 16.0 amp hour in a 18 volt type, or am I wrong.
Damn. Milwaukee and Makita really laying down some heat - both figuratively and literally! When you get the Flexvolt, I'd love to see an in-depth test of these 3 with real world tests and temp measurements.
Great vid, thank you!
Yeah I was shocked, had to use 2 additional load cells. That new 40V tabless cell packs a punch, along with the Forge's.
More than ever we can see the battery packs are important, if I had the new 8+ the Bosch would probably jump in watts.
I cant wait to test the Flex volt Dewalt and DE Metablo.
Thanks!
@@Tools-Testedthanks for the tests!
These new top models are finally in the topend corded grinder territory on 220v. These might be the last powertools where corded (not air!) is/was still ahead.
And don't forget these numbers are mechanical watts. They're probably consuming at least 3000 electrical watts, and a brushless motor is more efficient than a brushed universal motor in a 240Vac grinder.
Yeah its crazy, the new tabless packs allow for a huge jump in watts.
These top dog cordless grinders are utterly insane! I’m sure the runtime is less then 10 minutes if they’re running anywhere near max power continually. But even still, that’s incredible performance! One other commenter asked if you had tested the flat head/deep reach Milwaukee grinder, I second his request! Though I completely understand that you’re still pouring a ton of money in for minimal to no return yet, hoping that changes soon. Just for crazies sake, I’d also love to see you get your hands on and test the old Ridgid octane 36 volt grinder! It ran off two 18 volt batteries and was designed to spin a ten inch wheel! I’ve heard it has utterly insane power but it is 10+ years old now and not many were made. Awesome video as always!
You've got great content and you're awesome at displaying results and comparing. Thanks for your dedication!
I appreciate that!
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I have the Milwaukee 125mm angle grinder. The 5.0 amp battery gives me more than enough power for medium duty work. Cuts thru rebar and steel fence posts like butter. I might get the Forge 12.0 amp just to test it out. The Forge💥💥
Yeah it’s a powerful grinder and the forge gives it a nice boost.
I'm beginning to think Milwaukee is making to many sacrifices to have the strongest tools... Needs the most expensive batteries, they run hot, tool runs hot, batteries don't last long etc... People going to be using that warranty a lot i think
Ofc, that is one of the reasons makita went with 40v, people still don't get it
You have helped me tremendously by showing me that the new FORGE batteries may be too much for older Milwaukee tools. I will be using FORGE only on new models.
Glad the video was helpful!
6:40.. Very impressed with the Ridgid..Up in the mix with grinders and batteries costing 2x-3x more...I've never been let down by Ridgid's performance ...👍
Yep, I hope we see a tabless 8ah next year, idk how true it is but from what I have read tabless cells are cheaper to produce so it's probably only a matter of time. You really cant beat rigid when it comes to cost/performance.
I have the milwaukee the one in the video and i am really impres by how hard is it to stall and much more powerfull compared to the prior gen 6" , you need to run it with the forge tho but i don't mind , i am really impress with the makita too love xgt stuff as well just i am impress with the m18 stuff being 18v and kicking ass
Yeah I was impressed the Milwaukee held its own for being 18v.
I was literally about to post a comment about the DCG418 as you were mentioning 60V DeWalt. Then we just need a 60V Powerstack!
You mean a 12 AMP POWER PACK then it would be a 4 AMP POWER PACK and CO$T ABOUT $299 if they made a 12 AMP POWER STACK it would CO$T ABOUT $399
@@THEBEARDEDTOOLGUYstop using all caps please
That M18 grinder is going to be absolutely cooking batteries.
Yep, hopefully the new forge batteries will help.
@Tools-Tested yeah I hear ya. I'm interested to hear long term reviews on the forge packs. I know a lot of M18 brag that milwaukee never needed to up their voltage to get more power, but they've inadvertently created a whole new "M18 Forge" lineup since their new stuff will destroy older batteries. I'm sure many will still fall for the "fits all m18 batteries" advertising though
@@iDPG95 Yep the HO 12ah and even the HO 8ah don't have a very good track record, it will be interesting to see.
Do you happen to have tested any of the older XGT grinders?
Sadly not, what model were u thinking about.
@Tools-Tested basically any of the models released before 2024. Wonder how much stronger the new ones are 🤔
I have the 60v DeWalt. It' stupid powerful. I like the easy trigger and the brake. Which most new ones have now
Would like to see Bosch 18v-15 with tabless battery
Yeah I have been trying to get the 8+, Im sure we won't see it for at least a year in the US.
Once I get that, I will order the -15 from the EU.
The -15 cordless from EU is the same as the American -13.
In Europe the 15 stands for 1500W while in America the 13 stands for 13 amps corded equivalent which would effectively end up being about 1500W.
The tabless cells would be all you need to get an improvement
Ridgid may not be best in class but for price to performance ratio. It serves me quite well with my 6ah octane and 6ah max output batteries.
Yeah the Rigid is a good value, will be interesting when we get a 8AH tabless EXP pack.
Hey, I love you testing! Can you include some kind of constant baseline as a calibration of sorts, something with a known wattage out like a corded grinder? I’m particularly interested in Metabo’s such as their WEP-19-150 which should be their 1900W input 6 inch grinder.
Thanks! I did test some low end corded grinders in a previous video. The Metabo HPT G 12SR4 made 732W compared to the claimed 980W.
@ oh thanks, I missed that, I’ll take a look for it! I do see that model and I’m hoping you’ll add some of the original German Metabo grinders to the mix. The dark green German ones (not the Metabo HPT line) is the tried and true industry standard from what I’ve been seeing.
I have the flex 24v variable speed 4-5” grinder as well as the Metabo HPT also variable speed model 36v g3615dvf I believe is the model its the 6” paddle switch, holler at me if you wanna test it, I’ve been following ya for a while and I wouldn’t mind to help ya with all the info you share and you definitely buy enough tools as it is and everyone likes to see how the brands and models all stack up against each other. Also the g3615 I feel falls into a good range and combination of power and runtime imo, def not gonna beat the dcg418 but it’s still got some power man
Makita❤
Great channel just signed on have a quick question about the review of the icon tool box - what shop flooring are you using thanks in advance
I have the Milwaukee flat head grinder. Do you have a video going over that?
Sadly I don't yet
Thanks for the reviews and testing!
Shame FLEX wasn't in the test. That grinder is wicked nice, but has no brake.
Data is in the charts, was tested in part 2
@Tools-Tested it gets a blurb in the charts, but it doesn't get the air time afforded a non-contender like the Ryobi. Did you try it with the 10ah stacked lithium?
Que buen video los que sacas, espero con ansias tu revicion de la marca metabo alemana. Saludos!
That Milwaukee one should really be compared to the Dewalt flexvolt!
It will be next month, just did'nt have the budget this go around.
Why didn't FLEX get into the mix? Probably deserved as much consideration as Ryobi.
You should test the 418 from dewalt
That and the 460 claiming 3000 watts! I need more load cells, the 418 or 460 might find the limit of this dyno.
Hopefully I can test both soon!
@@Tools-Tested Here's hoping!
I have the bosh with 8ah battery
I really want that 8+ battery but the US probably wont see it till next year, that tabless should boost the performance.
@ I live in Florida I got it from a local store .
No DeWalt flexvolt? Only been out since 2016. Been reigned the top by.... Like everyone.
Got the new special Milwaukee stuff but won't include the king for the past like 4 years minimum. Cheaper than the Makita and Milwaukee too......
Why?
Simple, I had the new tabless battery from Makita and Milwaukee. Im also not made of money so I had to make a choice. The DCG418 will be with the 460 hopefully next month.
The dcg418 is rated at 2300w out. If the claim is correct it should slight better than Milwaukee and slightly under Makita. Very impressive for a 5 year old tool!
I dont think people realize the significance of 2.5kw from a handheld battery tool. A regular 18v 2ah 1p compact battery is rated for like a max power delivery of 180-270w while a 4ah 2p is rared fir like 360-540w
(actually very common to see 15a cells in 1p and 10a cells in 2p, so they'd be at 270 and 360w so they could base the tool lineup around 300w)
So when you are putting down several kw from a hand tool, that's more than a completely bogged down 15a circuit. Actually, the makita guzzles down more than a 20a ciruit and would need to be eirher 3 phase or 240v depending on where in the world you live. Honestly, a 3 1/4hp motor in hand is a truly terrifying to think about.
I think the Makita exceeds even 240V. Most of our power points are 2.4kW max. But the Makita is doing 2.4kW output power, which at 80% efficiency is 3kW input. Truly scary for a small tool with an exposed blade.
Yeah and to think the dewalt DCG460 is claiming 3000 MWO! just insane.
I will not be satisfied until I can wield the power of a small star in my hand!
@toolscientist electric motors are actually a lot more efficient than that, more like 90-97%. Efficiency would be a major focus of battery powered tools as the power source is limited in current and capacity.
@Tools-Tested well when you think about it, 40v and 56/60v platforms are used for things like 2 stage snowblowers, rear line tillers, augers and even ride on lawn mowers. When you start taking these sized batteries and putting them to hand tools, it's a different class.
Next time add the Metabo HPT 36 volt
Dewalt flexvolt!?
I was just going to complain that you didn’t test the 60v DeWalt and with a minute left, you fall on the sword. Looking forward to its results.
So happy with my corded grinder - no loss of power all day and I don't mind hauling the cord.
I'm not. Why all 5 of mine mostly sit on the shelf because cordless enables much better productivity for the stuff I need to do.
This makes me sad Makita is neglecting their 18V line so much, they could clearly do better.
Yep, looks like all the money is going into XGT.
Dewalt 60v for the win
The dewalt dcg418 will wipe the floor with them all!
Doubt it, this gen2 makita is in another league
@riba2233 Well, we will see once it goes on the torque test channel, I suppose, but for the last 6 years, nothing has come close to it! I've had mine over 5 years now, and it pisses all over the electric grinders.
@@hammyzgod yeah I am curious to see, 2.4kW on dyno is no joke!
Milwaukee may have edged out makita, but the makita batteries will ALWAYS outlast the Milwaukee in terms of longevity. I've got 10 year old LXT batteries still whooping așș when guys at the shop are replacing Milwaukee batteries 2-3 years in
Milwaukee actually did not edge out at all. On the 4ah tabless Makita smashed the 12ah forge on Milwaukee.
Milwaukee's biggest 12ah battery was smashed by a tiny 4ah 40v Makita pack. Makita also makes an 8ah pack as well. where exactly did Milwaukee edge out the Makita?
I have a few 14 year old dewalt 12v bats still working.Date code 2011
1989 called, they want their rubberized grips back.
As cool as this is, with more power comes shorter battery life, unless you spend hundreds more on the biggest batteries. And even then, I don't know if I even need more power than my current 2888-20.