The DeWALT is currently $144, I mean come on amzn.to/49oGLb2 $289 is their best battery kit: amzn.to/3OYZguw On why disc speed is important: Within X size of disc like 6" here, higher RPM makes for a more abrasive quicker working disc and an easier task for you. Abrasives need speed to be effective. Increasing load on the tool to do the same amount of work at lower RPM is not free in this scenario, it requires effort from you. Even larger grinders like 9" while lower RPM have larger diameter discs so a higher edge speed MPH and are even more effective. RPM during use will always be scored here, it's not the bulk of it's score, but in practical daily use it's a noticeable benefit.
I repair tools…just worked through a batch of DCG418’s out of an underground gold mine. 🤢 Amazingly, with a regrease, most of them were fine. They sometimes cook off at the control board behind the motor, but have never found burnt windings on the stator. The dust screens are really effective as well, very clean motors after 2 years underground.
I knew the DeWalt would kick ass. I'd been asking for it for a while now. Thanks for delievering. Hardest grinder to stall I've ever used. I got mine at Home Depot over Christmas for $230, with the 9ah. An an amazing deal. P.S., mine is smooth with discs, but not with grinding wheels. I OD grind the wheels, they are rarely balanced. It is much smoother, quieter, and more powerful than the 416. Also in for your rating, factoring infinite batteries, the DeWalt will be much quicker. So if time is your money, it is very good value.
Pretty much all of my tools are Milwaukee except I have a couple of the Dewalt 60v grinders in our shop and for me personally. All of ours have the locking power switch though. We have a few corded metabo grinders but pretty much everyone prefers to use the Dewalt 60v units. They are just flat out beastly. Even the corded 9” Metabo sits collecting dust now. We do repairs on tractor trailer stuff with steel thicknesses up to 3/4” and lots of aluminum repairs as well. Even the most abused Dewalt in our shop by one of my employees still runs like it was new. Dewalt really knocked it out of the park with this unit and I can’t really think of much I’d ever change about it.
Needed another flexvolt battery and decided to do a kit, since you pretty much get a tool for free. A really good tool. Was in middle of a project where I was using a grinder a lot, I have the base DeWalt grinder and was satisfied with it, given what I use it for. I had no other use for the free tools offered with the flexvolt so I got the grinder. Holy hell!!!! The thing is a freaking beast. Cracks me up with Milwaukee fan boys think that the red tools dominate everything. (I have red as well).
As a dewalt guy who recently switched to Milwaukee… they dominate at most things, the tools feel better made, and smoother functioning. However, dewalt isn’t out of the game in the slightest
I have the older generation 60V I bought a few years ago, it has some sort of sensing circuit where if a cut off wheel binds up, it cuts power to the motor. I was chopping off conduits on a concrete slab and it just stopped, I thought it was a fault or dead battery, but it fired right back up once I had the wheel extricated from the cut. I'm not sure if they carried that into the new design.
@@abpsd73 It was an electronic clutch (only metabo has a real clutch on some of their grinders). Electronic clutch sometimes fails, but it's better than nothing and in your case managed to protect you from kickback.
The kickback brake works great on it. Also as soon as you release the trigger it stops the disc almost instantly. Even outside of something going wrong it’s really convenient to not have to worry about it when you put it down somewhere.
@@abpsd73I had the older one as well which is discontinued. Mine broken down twice and it's the trigger. It likes to be handled like a feather no dropping even just a few inches. And the second time it was it's own sparks ended up melting some wiring under the trigger. Oops
@@jonass9347 Here in Europe, we have the same models, with the same Watt ratings, Corded Metabo represented in the video also advertised for 1900W, 9" grinders usually rated for 2200W, 2400W, 2600W, So the only bennefit from the higer voltage is, less current enough for the same W rating, If you looking for mind blowing Watts have to look for the high frequency range from Fein, those machines running at 300HZ, and the top 9" grinder is rated for around 3500W.
I've owned and used the dcg 418 for 4 years on a daily basis and still runs as new, honestly one of the best tools I've ever brought and has made my job so easy as a roofer weather its cutting through granite doing a wall chase for lead flashing, cutting roof tiles and slates it has halved my time and workload and couldn't live without it 👍.
TTC overall Cliff Notes and Summary so far: If you need to cut stuff, get DeWalt 60V saw and grinder. If you need to fasten and unfasten stuff, get DeWalt DCF921(923) and DCF961 if it still won't turn. If you need to use smaller stuff but still need to do some bigger stuff and you have a breaker bar, get M12 stuff If you have a work crew that needs to fasten and unfasten stuff to rigorously scrutinized torques, get M18 one-key-cyber-e-connecto-tork stuff.
I would love to see you guys testing the old school Black & Decker 7/9” grinder 4075/4076, nicknamed “wildcat”. It’s in my opinion the peak of grinders.
@@reginaldbowls7180 not sure if you’re Being serious or joking some? As far as I understand it, they were just an industrial grinder. They’re heavy, powerful, and it’s built with quality!
Metabo corded grinders are the gold standard in my trade, Boilermaking, to the point that “Metabo” is used as a synonym for “grinder”. Because nothing else will reliably last through 12+ hours of cutting through tubes or hogging off old welds. Sometimes a contractor will supply Milwaukee or Dewalt grinders and most of them will end up in the bad tool bin within a few shifts. Nothing wrong with those brands for lighter duty applications (I’ve had the same 4.5” Dewalt for ages) but if you plan to abuse your corded grinder, I would go straight to Metabo. (Battery grinders aren’t practical for anything but short jobs and their tendency to attract sticky fingers makes them a rare sight)
We use the Metabo variable low speed corded at work for stainless fab and they blow everything else we’ve used out of the water. No surprise it’s top of the corded chart. Their flathead grinder and pipe polisher is very nice as well. For cordless grinding I use a 36V Hikoki (Metabo HPT) and it’s been awesome. Easy to use one handed, compact and lightweight with the small 2.5Ah battery (I have a few in rotation). If it ever dies I’ll happily buy another. I want to try that Dewalt though!
I bought one of the first generation flexvolt grinders, the dcg414 ages ago when they’d released it. When they introduced the second generation and larger packs, i was convinced they’ve got the most powerful grinder on the market. A claimed 17% increase in power over that one. Which is wild because it is not short on power. That first gen grinder is going strong still with GOBS of power and hundreds of hours of use.
The 60v Dewalt grinders are beasts...I have the older 60v model (and two of the 20v) and when I tested it, the only thing that could best it was the GIANT DWE4597 "4.9hp" 7" corded I have. Good to see the newer version is top of the charts :)
I recently did all the foundation and slab work for my sister's new house she's building. Our 14in gas cutoff saw took a crap on us so we ended up using my Dewalt 60v grinder to do all our rebar cutting lol. Thing is a beast. I've had it since they released it years ago. Would be cool to see you guys test their 7-9in 60v grinder too.
Vibration is a huge factor especially when using a cutting disc. I know my Metabo has had a lot of use and is still smooth, but other grinders get a lot of vibration that you really feel in your elbow after a short time.
You're probably not going to see this comment but I have an interesting test scenario. The 18v dewalt nicad grinder runs at 6000rpm. This is actually desirable when running large wire wheels. If one uses an 18-20v adapter, does it cause the tool to produce more RPM and risk shredding the wire wheel ?
You never ever disappoint, thank you kindly. I'd love to see a showdown between top of the line 230mm angle grinders from Fein (@2500 watts and Fein appear to have discontinued everything above 150mm), Bosch Professional (@2800 watts and brushless), Metabo (@2600 watts) and Makita (@2800 watts) To my knowledge, the only thing more powerful than those are high frequency grinders at 300 Hz.
It would be cool to test out the newest Hikoki grinder. Not sure if metabo hpt have updated yet, but they are available in Japan, Aus and NZ! My unscientific opinion is that it has great power to weight/form factor ratio.
Have you tested the Metabo HPT DV3615DVF? It’s the 6 inch multi volt grinder. It’s very nice walk the line of power and runtime pretty well. I’d like to see it tested on here though especially the load tester
I have the flexvolt dewalt, and I have for 6 or 7 years. It seems to have just as many beans as the classic 6 inch makita, maybe more. It definitely could use a longer run time somehow but it just goes and does whatever you need as long as you have the batteries.
@torquetestchannel I have the multivolt 6” Metabo HPT g3615dvf (paddle switch) if you’d like to test if for the rankings lmk as it’s actually a good balance of power and runtime imo, it’s not gonna beat the flex volt 418 by any means but it is good but one weird thing is when used with the ax adapter it doesn’t have the electronic brake oddly also have you guys tested any of the flex tools with their new ac adapter? Wondering if theirs hamstrings tools and if so how? Power, or features like the mhpt brake etc just an idea
Thanks for this, I was searching for a good tool for my night job, and this DeWalt looks great… I am a catalytic converter remover and speed is critical 😅
Have a few Bosch 125mm 18V grinders and the power is slightly disappointing. One was advertised as 700 watts and the others as 1000watts. But they are not as powerful as the corded with same wattage. Still, the 1000watt models are quite usable, even if they are more like 750 watts corded grinders. The corded Bosch Professional grinders, on the other hand, have worked well and are just as good or better than other brands. I am cutting a lot of concrete and replaced the Metabo 230mm 2200watt grinder with a Bosch 230mm 2400 watt grinder. Big difference: the Bosch grinder is lighter and stronger, vibrate less, and have a very good protection against throws that turns off the power. More expensive but well worth it.
Finally I’ve been telling everyone the dewalt 60 volt grinder couldn’t be beaten and you finally show it. And I can attest with many hours of daily use the dewalt flexvolt is also much much more ergonomic with the way the grip and trigger is designed
I’ve used the dewalt 60v grinder for the last 3-4 years damn near every day, it won’t die on you, makes insane power for a battery grinder option, and has no maintenance like brushes that a lot of corded grinders in its size require replacing. Hands down the most impressive and convenient power tool I keep as a specialty welder.
Need to see the DCG460. DeWalt rates that at 2800 MWO, versus the 2300 MWO of the 418 and 440. And actually, let's see the 440 as well. It is a lower speed but higher torque version of the 418.
Ive said on other videos that the flexvolt was the best from use in the field. The video and dyno to backup my claim. Now there is also a 7" flexvolt model that is rated as the same output but is basically geared different. More torque but less rpm. Depends wat you are doing for i guess which one is more ideal but for the most part this 6" is my main go to. Now there is also a 9" flexvolt model as well and i have that and that is obviously a beast too and it is a completely different body and larger.
Some models that I would love to see tested are the corded, brushless angle grinders from dewalt and metabo hpt. Yes brushless, corded. I personally have been using the dewalt DWE43214NVS for well over a year as a welding student, and it is still going strong. Its safety features are also no slouch either. I am extremely curious to see how it compares to some o the metabos' corded models. You guys are an amazing resource for us all, and best of wishes to you all!
Having spent a lot of time behind a grinder, I can safely say that the single most important metric to me is vibration. Frankly, you shouldn't be bogging down the grinder anyways because you burn out your consumables faster, so I don't worry so much about the maximum wattage. Not saying you shouldn't be putting any pressure behind it, just that you shouldn't be leaning on with your whole body like I've seen practically every apprentice, and an embarrassing amount of journeymen, do. It's a lot easier on the body, too. That said, I'd like to see air grinders compared on this list. They're lighter and run cold, which is nice when you're working out in 100 degree sun scorched wastelands, and are still popular on a lot of industrial worksites.
Bosch released their Procore 18v + tabless batteries, but not sure if they hit the USA market yet. Be curious to see if those boost the performance. I know the 12ah regular profactor battery typically does lot better to boost power in the Profactor tools than the 8ah, but who wants to lug that around on a grinder.
I appreciate the effort to get larger grinders tested. DeWalt Flexvolt tools are a beast everytime they're pitted against the competition and the DCG418 grinder is no exception. I'd like to see what Makita (XGT) and Metabo HPT Multivolt can do against Black & Yellow supremacy
This is one thing I do appreciate about this channel I love my dewalt stuff and while looking for a bigger grinder it’s nice knowing what I should aim for and I think I’m gonna stick with my dewalts 😅
Bought myself a few tools for a welding project. The real needs were a 4.5" corded angle and a Die Grinder. Milwaukee was the first choice out of budget and the die grinder had to be harbor fried brand. No tungsten burrs at the store "stocking issue" so the expense on good burrs with a cheaper grinder is also a big factor surprisingly. 400 dollars for an overbuilt dremel ruled out the Milwaukee. One handing anything over 5" shouldn't really be used for more than paint or for long periods of vibration, 6" cutting wheels are rarely needed if you can get enough power to the location. Obviously it's great in the bush cutting out huge bars but even then you usually want a gas powered 10" anyway
Milwaukee guy here but Dewalt make a really great corded 4 1/2 “ rat tail grinder still using it today bought back in 19 and has been heavily used in fabrication and rust/ paint removal and concrete work it’s been a great tool. Had to buy since my brother in laws company was using harbor freight Hercules that burned up in about 5-10 minutes of heavy use but Lowe’s was close by so my only option was dewalt at the time
On grinders, I have a Metabo corded that I don't drop, chuck about or abuse - it was spendy. I use it for precise stuff. For everyday stuff I use 2 Hikoki - Hitachi - machines. Cheap as chips but good. Both corded. I love cordless tools, but grinders are tools you use all day - batteries don't do "all day" no matter what brand unless you are loaded & can afford many batteries. I ain't.
@wildfire4175 I think you're underestimating that Makita 9005b, it's a go to for many welders/pipefitters/iron workers/fabricators. Swap the guard out for a 9" guard and it'll spin 9" disc's with ease. There's a reason that makita still makes it the same as they have for the past 20 years.
I love my flexvolt grinder. Just a beast. You guys should test the new more powerful flexvolt grinder, I think it's a little bigger and even more power
That Milwaukee with the Forge is really impressive ! Not sure if you get Hilti over in the States but I'd love to see the comparison. Over here Hilti is Professional grade tools , you see it loads on construction sites .
My Dewalt DCG418 does better with 5 - 6 inch cup wire wheels than my 15 amp Bosch 9" grinder. The Dewalt just doesn't bog down except when the battery dies with 3 - 5 minutes of hard grinding time.
I'm not sure what is going on with Bosch. Here in Australia we have had an GWS 18V-15C grinder. Now the Bosch website does not show it however the GWS 13C is shown. I dont know witch is more powerfull. Do you get the "15C" in the USA?
Nice video. Ridgid use to make a dual battery 7inch octane angle grinder which seemed pretty cool. They unfortunately don't anymore, but it can still be found on ebay and such rom time to time. AEG, at least in their Australian market, makes the same dual bettery grinder, but they have a 9 inch version and a 7 inch version (230mm and 180mm respectively)! They also have a corded 230mm/9inch version. Thanks for the video!
@@TorqueTestChannel Yeah but I was really hoping your first grinder tests would be on the 6” for us trades guys. After you released the 4.5” tests I thought for sure the 6” would be close behind but after and months months of Fridays. I was starting to lose hope. Then I think two weeks ago you guys posted that you bought a 6” grinder for an upcoming test and I got all excited again :) Edit: Yes I know you haven’t had the capability to test watts until relatively recently, but you’re one of the few channels properly testing pro grade tools, you were my only hope.
Nice video !! Just dropping this here, we're using Walter 6" corded grinders at work and they're freaking good. I blew one two years ago during a shut down after 5 consecutive days of work in silica cutting down hundreds of feet long flat bars welded to steel conveyer frames. 😂
Love this stuff you guys do ! Wha about Fein tools ? German , not sure if they do cordless , but our local welding shop really seems to dig the corded grinders. Cheers!
Do you guys have a surface plate to check the flatness of the spindle nut on the Dewalt? If the thin disc is wobbly sounds like it might be some kind of deflection from the nut
I've got an ancient 7-inch rat-tail makita, a 4.5 "dong" makita and a cordless 5" milwaukee, and I end up reaching for the milwaukee for most small lop-off jobs, and the 12ah battery lasts (seemingly) forever. If I have a lot of material to remove, I always plug in, because the corded tools hog away material faster, and no battery swapping required. These newer grinders are pretty impressive though.
Possible you can test framing nail gun with different gauges, what technology behind and what mechanism they use, what kind of power comes with. I am ridgid gun because of LSA but I am looking for concrete nailer see if this topic fit your channel.
We still are though, cos technically a 6” is still a small angle grinder. Can’t wait for them to try the 9” class, but some testing gear upgrades might be needed.
@@default9740Well the Dewalt models don't claim any more power and the corded ones are limited by 110V. Why do you think you'll see more power on the 9" class?
@@TheMetalButcher Not sure if you’ve looked them up: the DGG418 tested here claims 2300W equivalent, the DCG440 (7”) the same, but lower rpm, the DCG460 (7”-9”) claims 3000W. The DCG460 delivers, have compared it to the 418….. it’s a monster.
Very good test, curious how much longer the 4/12amp battery would last on the DCG418? Maybe you can test the DCF500 next vs the milwaukee high speed ratchets on the gauntlet?
You guys should really test the cordless LTX lineup of Metabo i use the Powerdrill and Angle grinder on a daily base and those are by far the best cordless tools I ever owned I would think they would do great on the leaderboard
I find myself more happy with my purchase of the DeWalt 20/60V system, almost every day! I discovered the power of the 9AH FlexVolt when I decided to buy one for my BWP152. What a beast of a system line! 🤘🏼👍🏼
That 7” wobble is kind of a you problem though, as you’re exceeding the maximum size for the grinder, and 7” discs have a lower max rpm rating. I hope you’re using some good PPE😂
@@default9740 hahahaha I figured. But 7 and a quarter masonry blades do magic. And the tool has the power to drive them, granted it looks like a buzz axe
Power seems to always get weighted more than anything. Battery charge time should be included on the rankings imo. If the tool requires that battery for that power then the charge time should be the penalty. Yes, a sledge hammer will drive a 16 penny nail like nothing, but you won't do that all day. Yes Dewalt has power but the batteries are always the issue. Charge time, run time, durability.
A question about ranking combination wrenches and sockets... Could you add a bit of a focus on dealing with low-head fasteners? I know you have mentioned the amount of chamfer that some sockets have before, but when you're trying to deal with an M10 intake manifold nut that is scarcely rising above the flange, you really want the 'right' socket or wrench, and I am having a hard time finding that information. Yes, you can grind down a wrench, but I feel that is a bit defeatist. Surely someone makes some wrenches that can deal with this.
The industry needs more corded brushless tools. Universal motor efficiency is terrible. If we're maxing out US mains circuits, it's time to improve efficiency! I only know of a couple niche tools that currently have this setup.
Please review the Milwaukee 2666-21b kit from Home Depot. It’s a brushless high torque (non fuel) with a battery. $250 right now. Wondering if the hammer is the same as the faulty 2767 b’s that they released and shut down.
Hey TTC, can you test Atlas Copco pneumatic die grinders? I would hope they’re top of the line considering the price tags. And can you check out the Snap-On 1HP pneumatic die grinders? I would be really interested to see how they compare against each other. I would actually like to see a bunch of Atlas Copco tools tested, but I can understand if that’s out of reach considering the prices. But I’d like to at least see a die grinder tested.
DeWalt purposely leaves that slop in some of those tools. In the impacts, that slop allows the bit to drive smoother at imperfect angles, like a gyro self correcting. Also allows some shock.
I have the Milwaukee and the dewalt. I found out the dewalt doesn’t like having a 9” wire cup. The cup doesn’t like the dewalt either I have never seen a cup turn into a disk/wheel. After about 10 minutes the dewalt gave up and had to switch back to 6” wire wheel.
When will u be testing the new matco stubby 1/2 air impact? Call it the raptor, says 1200ft lbs. 850 working & Any clue on the new 18v snapon stubby 3/8 impact. Says 500ft lbs if I recall. (I don't remember the working torque max)
The speed wobble might be an effect of the constant RPM motor driver in the DeWalt, cutting power at high frequency or something like that to prevent overspeed.
@@TorqueTestChannel I would imagine the only typo was 1900W, which should be 1600W; the 14.5 A is probably correct for 110V.. A 1900W grinder on this side of the pond should be pulling 8-9A.
@@TorqueTestChannel Generally the label will show the maximum not-exceeded value for each category if not broken out separately. For example, a label that says *2400w 110-240v 14.5a* means the device will draw 10amps at 240v to provide the maximum 2400w, but using the maximum of 14.5amps whilst connected to the minimum voltage of 110v will only give you 1595w. It's left as an exercise of the reader to figure out that volt/amp curve to determine the actual power output at various input voltages.
Can you do a vibration test for sds and sds max drills? They all work well, but some of them can really jar your insides loose and make drilling or chipping miserable.
You guys should test dremels (rotary tools) I'm curious to see how good the cordless are vs the corded and which brand is best although I already assume it's dremel
The DeWALT is currently $144, I mean come on amzn.to/49oGLb2 $289 is their best battery kit: amzn.to/3OYZguw
On why disc speed is important: Within X size of disc like 6" here, higher RPM makes for a more abrasive quicker working disc and an easier task for you. Abrasives need speed to be effective. Increasing load on the tool to do the same amount of work at lower RPM is not free in this scenario, it requires effort from you. Even larger grinders like 9" while lower RPM have larger diameter discs so a higher edge speed MPH and are even more effective. RPM during use will always be scored here, it's not the bulk of it's score, but in practical daily use it's a noticeable benefit.
That really is a screaming deal with that battery included.
Home depot was doing $199 for a dcg418 and 9 ah for black friday.@proscriptus
i saw this kit on clearance in HomeDepot for $260 last week
I haven’t see you make any comparison video with the flex 24v angle grinder… I would like to see how far it is up on the rankings
I repair tools…just worked through a batch of DCG418’s out of an underground gold mine. 🤢
Amazingly, with a regrease, most of them were fine. They sometimes cook off at the control board behind the motor, but have never found burnt windings on the stator.
The dust screens are really effective as well, very clean motors after 2 years underground.
I knew the DeWalt would kick ass. I'd been asking for it for a while now. Thanks for delievering. Hardest grinder to stall I've ever used. I got mine at Home Depot over Christmas for $230, with the 9ah. An an amazing deal.
P.S., mine is smooth with discs, but not with grinding wheels. I OD grind the wheels, they are rarely balanced. It is much smoother, quieter, and more powerful than the 416.
Also in for your rating, factoring infinite batteries, the DeWalt will be much quicker. So if time is your money, it is very good value.
I’m looking into becoming a locksmith. I think one of these is gonna be my best friend.
Locksmiths doesnt need angle grinders.... wait
That doesn't sound like what a locksmith would need 🤔
I have the dewalt 60v. it can cut a bicycle u-lock in about a second.
And then your only enemies will be noise and runtime!😂
100% success rate
Pretty much all of my tools are Milwaukee except I have a couple of the Dewalt 60v grinders in our shop and for me personally. All of ours have the locking power switch though. We have a few corded metabo grinders but pretty much everyone prefers to use the Dewalt 60v units. They are just flat out beastly. Even the corded 9” Metabo sits collecting dust now. We do repairs on tractor trailer stuff with steel thicknesses up to 3/4” and lots of aluminum repairs as well. Even the most abused Dewalt in our shop by one of my employees still runs like it was new. Dewalt really knocked it out of the park with this unit and I can’t really think of much I’d ever change about it.
Needed another flexvolt battery and decided to do a kit, since you pretty much get a tool for free. A really good tool. Was in middle of a project where I was using a grinder a lot, I have the base DeWalt grinder and was satisfied with it, given what I use it for. I had no other use for the free tools offered with the flexvolt so I got the grinder. Holy hell!!!! The thing is a freaking beast. Cracks me up with Milwaukee fan boys think that the red tools dominate everything. (I have red as well).
That's what I did too. 245 at HD basically a free grinder with the 9ah I was looking to get
As a dewalt guy who recently switched to Milwaukee… they dominate at most things, the tools feel better made, and smoother functioning. However, dewalt isn’t out of the game in the slightest
I've used the DCG418. I've always suspected that it would happily grab along something and cut me up if I wasn't careful.
I have the older generation 60V I bought a few years ago, it has some sort of sensing circuit where if a cut off wheel binds up, it cuts power to the motor. I was chopping off conduits on a concrete slab and it just stopped, I thought it was a fault or dead battery, but it fired right back up once I had the wheel extricated from the cut. I'm not sure if they carried that into the new design.
@@abpsd73 It was an electronic clutch (only metabo has a real clutch on some of their grinders). Electronic clutch sometimes fails, but it's better than nothing and in your case managed to protect you from kickback.
The kickback brake works great on it. Also as soon as you release the trigger it stops the disc almost instantly. Even outside of something going wrong it’s really convenient to not have to worry about it when you put it down somewhere.
@@abpsd73I had the older one as well which is discontinued. Mine broken down twice and it's the trigger. It likes to be handled like a feather no dropping even just a few inches. And the second time it was it's own sparks ended up melting some wiring under the trigger. Oops
I would be curious to see how an average 220-240v corded grinder like we get in other countries would compare to these.
If it's the same model, they'd have the same specs and perform the same.
he would need to a bench power supply and would need to plug it into a 240v plug in his kitchen as you americans only seem to use 240v in kitchens.
@@sadiporter2966nah he could just wire a 240v outlet into wherever he does his testing
@@jonass9347
Here in Europe, we have the same models, with the same Watt ratings,
Corded Metabo represented in the video also advertised for 1900W,
9" grinders usually rated for 2200W, 2400W, 2600W,
So the only bennefit from the higer voltage is, less current enough for the same W rating,
If you looking for mind blowing Watts have to look for the high frequency range from Fein, those machines running at 300HZ, and the top 9" grinder is rated for around 3500W.
I've owned and used the dcg 418 for 4 years on a daily basis and still runs as new, honestly one of the best tools I've ever brought and has made my job so easy as a roofer weather its cutting through granite doing a wall chase for lead flashing, cutting roof tiles and slates it has halved my time and workload and couldn't live without it 👍.
I had the Milwaukee grinder but so glad I upgraded to Dewalt last year. Smokes it.
TTC overall Cliff Notes and Summary so far:
If you need to cut stuff, get DeWalt 60V saw and grinder.
If you need to fasten and unfasten stuff, get DeWalt DCF921(923) and DCF961 if it still won't turn.
If you need to use smaller stuff but still need to do some bigger stuff and you have a breaker bar, get M12 stuff
If you have a work crew that needs to fasten and unfasten stuff to rigorously scrutinized torques, get M18 one-key-cyber-e-connecto-tork stuff.
I would love to see you guys testing the old school Black & Decker 7/9” grinder 4075/4076, nicknamed “wildcat”. It’s in my opinion the peak of grinders.
That’s an automotive sander right?
Those a great. But the flexvolt is a great modern replacement, if you don't mind the higher speed.
Tough as nails but painfully heavy in all but horizontal position.
@@440capnhook I can relate. 🥴
@@reginaldbowls7180 not sure if you’re Being serious or joking some?
As far as I understand it, they were just an industrial grinder. They’re heavy, powerful, and it’s built with quality!
Metabo corded grinders are the gold standard in my trade, Boilermaking, to the point that “Metabo” is used as a synonym for “grinder”.
Because nothing else will reliably last through 12+ hours of cutting through tubes or hogging off old welds. Sometimes a contractor will supply Milwaukee or Dewalt grinders and most of them will end up in the bad tool bin within a few shifts.
Nothing wrong with those brands for lighter duty applications (I’ve had the same 4.5” Dewalt for ages) but if you plan to abuse your corded grinder, I would go straight to Metabo.
(Battery grinders aren’t practical for anything but short jobs and their tendency to attract sticky fingers makes them a rare sight)
We use the Metabo variable low speed corded at work for stainless fab and they blow everything else we’ve used out of the water. No surprise it’s top of the corded chart. Their flathead grinder and pipe polisher is very nice as well.
For cordless grinding I use a 36V Hikoki (Metabo HPT) and it’s been awesome. Easy to use one handed, compact and lightweight with the small 2.5Ah battery (I have a few in rotation). If it ever dies I’ll happily buy another.
I want to try that Dewalt though!
I bought one of the first generation flexvolt grinders, the dcg414 ages ago when they’d released it. When they introduced the second generation and larger packs, i was convinced they’ve got the most powerful grinder on the market. A claimed 17% increase in power over that one. Which is wild because it is not short on power.
That first gen grinder is going strong still with GOBS of power and hundreds of hours of use.
I have 4 of the 414 and 1 418 :-)
The 60v Dewalt grinders are beasts...I have the older 60v model (and two of the 20v) and when I tested it, the only thing that could best it was the GIANT DWE4597 "4.9hp" 7" corded I have. Good to see the newer version is top of the charts :)
Lol, '4.9hp', it would have to be 3-phase.
I've had the older flexvolt grinder for 5yrs now and no complaints, it really is a great tool.
@@elliotkane4443 yeah, hence why I put quotes around it...but it will trip a 15a breaker if you lean on it hard enough.
Dcg 460 is the best
@@aetorres7422 I haven't tried that one yet either...
@@aetorres7422the DCG460 is a beast, for sure. I couldn’t bog it down cutting a boulder with a 9” diamond disc.
I recently did all the foundation and slab work for my sister's new house she's building. Our 14in gas cutoff saw took a crap on us so we ended up using my Dewalt 60v grinder to do all our rebar cutting lol. Thing is a beast. I've had it since they released it years ago. Would be cool to see you guys test their 7-9in 60v grinder too.
At my age, I value the low vibration and all around less fatigue a lot more than I used to.
Vibration is a huge factor especially when using a cutting disc. I know my Metabo has had a lot of use and is still smooth, but other grinders get a lot of vibration that you really feel in your elbow after a short time.
I'd still love to see the M18 Flathead grinder and how it compares to the normal ones. Would even be willing to lend mine to see how it compares.
Motor is the same as the regular one. You can actually swap the head with the other 5 inch ones.
You're probably not going to see this comment but I have an interesting test scenario. The 18v dewalt nicad grinder runs at 6000rpm. This is actually desirable when running large wire wheels. If one uses an 18-20v adapter, does it cause the tool to produce more RPM and risk shredding the wire wheel ?
Finally! Been dying to know what that 60v dewalt grinder can do!
Thanks! Love my flexvolt grinders!
I’m a Metabo Hpt user and would love to see their 36v or 18v tools included as much as possible
You never ever disappoint, thank you kindly.
I'd love to see a showdown between top of the line 230mm angle grinders from Fein (@2500 watts and Fein appear to have discontinued everything above 150mm), Bosch Professional (@2800 watts and brushless), Metabo (@2600 watts) and Makita (@2800 watts)
To my knowledge, the only thing more powerful than those are high frequency grinders at 300 Hz.
It would be cool to test out the newest Hikoki grinder. Not sure if metabo hpt have updated yet, but they are available in Japan, Aus and NZ! My unscientific opinion is that it has great power to weight/form factor ratio.
Have you tested the Metabo HPT DV3615DVF? It’s the 6 inch multi volt grinder. It’s very nice walk the line of power and runtime pretty well. I’d like to see it tested on here though especially the load tester
I have the flexvolt dewalt, and I have for 6 or 7 years. It seems to have just as many beans as the classic 6 inch makita, maybe more. It definitely could use a longer run time somehow but it just goes and does whatever you need as long as you have the batteries.
How about 7-9” grinders? Great episode!
@torquetestchannel I have the multivolt 6” Metabo HPT g3615dvf (paddle switch) if you’d like to test if for the rankings lmk as it’s actually a good balance of power and runtime imo, it’s not gonna beat the flex volt 418 by any means but it is good but one weird thing is when used with the ax adapter it doesn’t have the electronic brake oddly also have you guys tested any of the flex tools with their new ac adapter? Wondering if theirs hamstrings tools and if so how? Power, or features like the mhpt brake etc just an idea
Thanks for this, I was searching for a good tool for my night job, and this DeWalt looks great… I am a catalytic converter remover and speed is critical 😅
I use a sawzall. Its quieter and doesn't make all those sparks
Please test the metabo hpt 36v, it was tested by tools and stuff and looked great there
Have a few Bosch 125mm 18V grinders and the power is slightly disappointing. One was advertised as 700 watts and the others as 1000watts. But they are not as powerful as the corded with same wattage. Still, the 1000watt models are quite usable, even if they are more like 750 watts corded grinders. The corded Bosch Professional grinders, on the other hand, have worked well and are just as good or better than other brands. I am cutting a lot of concrete and replaced the Metabo 230mm 2200watt grinder with a Bosch 230mm 2400 watt grinder. Big difference: the Bosch grinder is lighter and stronger, vibrate less, and have a very good protection against throws that turns off the power. More expensive but well worth it.
Finally I’ve been telling everyone the dewalt 60 volt grinder couldn’t be beaten and you finally show it. And I can attest with many hours of daily use the dewalt flexvolt is also much much more ergonomic with the way the grip and trigger is designed
we need a 9" cut off saw comparison.. Milwaukee, dewalt, and husqvarna all make one.
I’ve used the dewalt 60v grinder for the last 3-4 years damn near every day, it won’t die on you, makes insane power for a battery grinder option, and has no maintenance like brushes that a lot of corded grinders in its size require replacing. Hands down the most impressive and convenient power tool I keep as a specialty welder.
Just picked up the new Hilti Nuron 5", worth testing I am very impressed vs. my corded Milwaukee.
Waiting for 9 inch Dewalt to be tested! The 5/7 is great! I have flexvolt advantage and really like it
You should check out the Fein brushless corded grinders
I got 2 of the flexvolt Dewalt grinders, I love them, my corded angle grinders haven't been used in years.
Need to see the DCG460. DeWalt rates that at 2800 MWO, versus the 2300 MWO of the 418 and 440. And actually, let's see the 440 as well. It is a lower speed but higher torque version of the 418.
Ive said on other videos that the flexvolt was the best from use in the field. The video and dyno to backup my claim. Now there is also a 7" flexvolt model that is rated as the same output but is basically geared different. More torque but less rpm. Depends wat you are doing for i guess which one is more ideal but for the most part this 6" is my main go to. Now there is also a 9" flexvolt model as well and i have that and that is obviously a beast too and it is a completely different body and larger.
Some models that I would love to see tested are the corded, brushless angle grinders from dewalt and metabo hpt. Yes brushless, corded. I personally have been using the dewalt DWE43214NVS for well over a year as a welding student, and it is still going strong. Its safety features are also no slouch either. I am extremely curious to see how it compares to some o the metabos' corded models.
You guys are an amazing resource for us all, and best of wishes to you all!
I was wondering the same thing. I have a brushless corded model. The DWE43244N it’s a 5-6” angle grinder
Fein makes those too. They should be more efficient even with the rectifier.
Having spent a lot of time behind a grinder, I can safely say that the single most important metric to me is vibration. Frankly, you shouldn't be bogging down the grinder anyways because you burn out your consumables faster, so I don't worry so much about the maximum wattage. Not saying you shouldn't be putting any pressure behind it, just that you shouldn't be leaning on with your whole body like I've seen practically every apprentice, and an embarrassing amount of journeymen, do. It's a lot easier on the body, too.
That said, I'd like to see air grinders compared on this list. They're lighter and run cold, which is nice when you're working out in 100 degree sun scorched wastelands, and are still popular on a lot of industrial worksites.
Bosch released their Procore 18v + tabless batteries, but not sure if they hit the USA market yet. Be curious to see if those boost the performance.
I know the 12ah regular profactor battery typically does lot better to boost power in the Profactor tools than the 8ah, but who wants to lug that around on a grinder.
I own that DeWalt grinder and can confirm it is a beast..and im running the 6ah I can only imagine it with the 9ah. Great review🎉
The menards special 7" corded I've been very impressed with for polishing. It really doesn't bogg down, selectable rpm
I appreciate the effort to get larger grinders tested. DeWalt Flexvolt tools are a beast everytime they're pitted against the competition and the DCG418 grinder is no exception. I'd like to see what Makita (XGT) and Metabo HPT Multivolt can do against Black & Yellow supremacy
yeah, not to mention the gen2 xgt models.
This is one thing I do appreciate about this channel I love my dewalt stuff and while looking for a bigger grinder it’s nice knowing what I should aim for and I think I’m gonna stick with my dewalts 😅
Bought myself a few tools for a welding project. The real needs were a 4.5" corded angle and a Die Grinder. Milwaukee was the first choice out of budget and the die grinder had to be harbor fried brand. No tungsten burrs at the store "stocking issue" so the expense on good burrs with a cheaper grinder is also a big factor surprisingly. 400 dollars for an overbuilt dremel ruled out the Milwaukee. One handing anything over 5" shouldn't really be used for more than paint or for long periods of vibration, 6" cutting wheels are rarely needed if you can get enough power to the location. Obviously it's great in the bush cutting out huge bars but even then you usually want a gas powered 10" anyway
Milwaukee guy here but Dewalt make a really great corded 4 1/2 “ rat tail grinder still using it today bought back in 19 and has been heavily used in fabrication and rust/ paint removal and concrete work it’s been a great tool. Had to buy since my brother in laws company was using harbor freight Hercules that burned up in about 5-10 minutes of heavy use but Lowe’s was close by so my only option was dewalt at the time
i'd love to see the makita xgt or metabo hpt 36v put thru these tests.
On grinders, I have a Metabo corded that I don't drop, chuck about or abuse - it was spendy. I use it for precise stuff. For everyday stuff I use 2 Hikoki - Hitachi - machines. Cheap as chips but good. Both corded. I love cordless tools, but grinders are tools you use all day - batteries don't do "all day" no matter what brand unless you are loaded & can afford many batteries. I ain't.
Need the 9" 60v dewalt
Testing the good ol makita 9005b would be fun. BEAST of a 5" grinder.
Hahahahahahahahaha. It's not 2012
@wildfire4175 I think you're underestimating that Makita 9005b, it's a go to for many welders/pipefitters/iron workers/fabricators. Swap the guard out for a 9" guard and it'll spin 9" disc's with ease. There's a reason that makita still makes it the same as they have for the past 20 years.
I've got that DeWalt, and that thing is an absolute beast! Screaming value for the performance, too.
I love my flexvolt grinder. Just a beast. You guys should test the new more powerful flexvolt grinder, I think it's a little bigger and even more power
That Milwaukee with the Forge is really impressive !
Not sure if you get Hilti over in the States but I'd love to see the comparison.
Over here Hilti is Professional grade tools , you see it loads on construction sites .
My Dewalt DCG418 does better with 5 - 6 inch cup wire wheels than my 15 amp Bosch 9" grinder. The Dewalt just doesn't bog down except when the battery dies with 3 - 5 minutes of hard grinding time.
You should test Fein cordless and corded grinders.
I'm not sure what is going on with Bosch. Here in Australia we have had an GWS 18V-15C grinder. Now the Bosch website does not show it however the GWS 13C is shown. I dont know witch is more powerfull. Do you get the "15C" in the USA?
And this is why I love my WEP-19 grinder.
Nice video. Ridgid use to make a dual battery 7inch octane angle grinder which seemed pretty cool. They unfortunately don't anymore, but it can still be found on ebay and such rom time to time. AEG, at least in their Australian market, makes the same dual bettery grinder, but they have a 9 inch version and a 7 inch version (230mm and 180mm respectively)! They also have a corded 230mm/9inch version. Thanks for the video!
Been waiting for this video for two years. Thank you.
We've been testing angle grinders for less than a year tho :P
@@TorqueTestChannel Yeah but I was really hoping your first grinder tests would be on the 6” for us trades guys. After you released the 4.5” tests I thought for sure the 6” would be close behind but after and months months of Fridays. I was starting to lose hope. Then I think two weeks ago you guys posted that you bought a 6” grinder for an upcoming test and I got all excited again :)
Edit: Yes I know you haven’t had the capability to test watts until relatively recently, but you’re one of the few channels properly testing pro grade tools, you were my only hope.
Nice video !! Just dropping this here, we're using Walter 6" corded grinders at work and they're freaking good. I blew one two years ago during a shut down after 5 consecutive days of work in silica cutting down hundreds of feet long flat bars welded to steel conveyer frames. 😂
A video idea could be to test some European corded tools made for 220v and compare them to US tools and see how much power you are losing with 110v
Love this stuff you guys do ! Wha about Fein tools ? German , not sure if they do cordless , but our local welding shop really seems to dig the corded grinders. Cheers!
18 volt just isnt enough for grinders imo, its too hard on the batteries. They overheat before going flat
You should make an angle grinder impact wrench
Do you guys have a surface plate to check the flatness of the spindle nut on the Dewalt? If the thin disc is wobbly sounds like it might be some kind of deflection from the nut
I've got an ancient 7-inch rat-tail makita, a 4.5 "dong" makita and a cordless 5" milwaukee, and I end up reaching for the milwaukee for most small lop-off jobs, and the 12ah battery lasts (seemingly) forever. If I have a lot of material to remove, I always plug in, because the corded tools hog away material faster, and no battery swapping required. These newer grinders are pretty impressive though.
Be interesting to see the efficiency test at 400 and 600W. DC motor efficiency tends to fall off a cliff below 20% load
Possible you can test framing nail gun with different gauges, what technology behind and what mechanism they use, what kind of power comes with. I am ridgid gun because of LSA but I am looking for concrete nailer see if this topic fit your channel.
large angle grinders - who hasn't been waiting for this? 😄👍
We still are though, cos technically a 6” is still a small angle grinder. Can’t wait for them to try the 9” class, but some testing gear upgrades might be needed.
@@default9740Well the Dewalt models don't claim any more power and the corded ones are limited by 110V. Why do you think you'll see more power on the 9" class?
@@TheMetalButcher Not sure if you’ve looked them up: the DGG418 tested here claims 2300W equivalent, the DCG440 (7”) the same, but lower rpm, the DCG460 (7”-9”) claims 3000W.
The DCG460 delivers, have compared it to the 418….. it’s a monster.
Very good test, curious how much longer the 4/12amp battery would last on the DCG418?
Maybe you can test the DCF500 next vs the milwaukee high speed ratchets on the gauntlet?
You guys should really test the cordless LTX lineup of Metabo i use the Powerdrill and Angle grinder on a daily base and those are by far the best cordless tools I ever owned I would think they would do great on the leaderboard
I find myself more happy with my purchase of the DeWalt 20/60V system, almost every day! I discovered the power of the 9AH FlexVolt when I decided to buy one for my BWP152. What a beast of a system line! 🤘🏼👍🏼
I use the dcg418 as my main grinder. It's insanely powerful but it definitely does wobble with some disks. Especially when I get up to 7"+ blades
That 7” wobble is kind of a you problem though, as you’re exceeding the maximum size for the grinder, and 7” discs have a lower max rpm rating.
I hope you’re using some good PPE😂
@@default9740 hahahaha I figured. But 7 and a quarter masonry blades do magic. And the tool has the power to drive them, granted it looks like a buzz axe
How does a corded Makita 5" 9005b grinder rank up? I have been using that for years while I have been a welder and love it..
Power seems to always get weighted more than anything. Battery charge time should be included on the rankings imo. If the tool requires that battery for that power then the charge time should be the penalty.
Yes, a sledge hammer will drive a 16 penny nail like nothing, but you won't do that all day. Yes Dewalt has power but the batteries are always the issue. Charge time, run time, durability.
In which video did you test the Dewalt grinder that broke? I can't find it
Milwaukee used to make a corded Magnum grinder, model 6154-20. I wonder how it would compare in your dyno. It was my favorite grinder for years.
A question about ranking combination wrenches and sockets... Could you add a bit of a focus on dealing with low-head fasteners? I know you have mentioned the amount of chamfer that some sockets have before, but when you're trying to deal with an M10 intake manifold nut that is scarcely rising above the flange, you really want the 'right' socket or wrench, and I am having a hard time finding that information. Yes, you can grind down a wrench, but I feel that is a bit defeatist. Surely someone makes some wrenches that can deal with this.
The industry needs more corded brushless tools. Universal motor efficiency is terrible. If we're maxing out US mains circuits, it's time to improve efficiency! I only know of a couple niche tools that currently have this setup.
Hope you can get your hands on the new Bosch tabless battery packs soon
test the larger 9 inch grinders next
Hopefully well see the big 9 in grinders run.
I like seeing the watts output of those grinder and paired with their best batteries good job ttc
As someone who has a bunch of the $10 ones from hf, $290 for a corded grinder seems insane lol
Please review the Milwaukee 2666-21b kit from Home Depot. It’s a brushless high torque (non fuel) with a battery. $250 right now. Wondering if the hammer is the same as the faulty 2767 b’s that they released and shut down.
Would like to see how the Milwaukee 6117-33D dial speed 5" corded grinder stacks up to Metabo and other dial speed grinders.
Ive had the 418 for a few years after AvE did a breakdown on it. Fucking beast of a tool
Hey TTC, can you test Atlas Copco pneumatic die grinders? I would hope they’re top of the line considering the price tags. And can you check out the Snap-On 1HP pneumatic die grinders? I would be really interested to see how they compare against each other.
I would actually like to see a bunch of Atlas Copco tools tested, but I can understand if that’s out of reach considering the prices. But I’d like to at least see a die grinder tested.
DeWalt purposely leaves that slop in some of those tools. In the impacts, that slop allows the bit to drive smoother at imperfect angles, like a gyro self correcting. Also allows some shock.
I have the Milwaukee and the dewalt. I found out the dewalt doesn’t like having a 9” wire cup. The cup doesn’t like the dewalt either I have never seen a cup turn into a disk/wheel. After about 10 minutes the dewalt gave up and had to switch back to 6” wire wheel.
When will u be testing the new matco stubby 1/2 air impact? Call it the raptor, says 1200ft lbs. 850 working
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Any clue on the new 18v snapon stubby 3/8 impact. Says 500ft lbs if I recall. (I don't remember the working torque max)
The speed wobble might be an effect of the constant RPM motor driver in the DeWalt, cutting power at high frequency or something like that to prevent overspeed.
Any chance of getting a makita 40v on? I just got the the GAG04Z and love it. I'm really curious how it compares
1900W refers to the 220-240v version, probably amazon copy/paste mistake.
It says 14.5A on the same line however. Wouldn't that be 3,000W+ in 220V countries?
@@TorqueTestChannel I would imagine the only typo was 1900W, which should be 1600W; the 14.5 A is probably correct for 110V.. A 1900W grinder on this side of the pond should be pulling 8-9A.
@@TorqueTestChannel Generally the label will show the maximum not-exceeded value for each category if not broken out separately. For example, a label that says
*2400w 110-240v 14.5a* means the device will draw 10amps at 240v to provide the maximum 2400w, but using the maximum of 14.5amps whilst connected to the minimum voltage of 110v will only give you 1595w. It's left as an exercise of the reader to figure out that volt/amp curve to determine the actual power output at various input voltages.
No, 1900Win seems about right, Metabo specifies 1220Wout for their 230V 1900W model which this delivers as well (accounting for generator losses).
Can you do a vibration test for sds and sds max drills? They all work well, but some of them can really jar your insides loose and make drilling or chipping miserable.
You guys should test dremels (rotary tools) I'm curious to see how good the cordless are vs the corded and which brand is best although I already assume it's dremel
I have a Foredom with a big external motor, much better than Dremel imo.
what about the corded makita with the SJS clutch?
id like to see that clutch put ti test