On the Place of Blessed Augustine - Hieromonk Seraphim Rose
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- In Fr. Seraphim Rose’s time, as well as today in 2023, many diverse and strongly held opinions exist when it comes to how we should regard Blessed Augustine of Hippo. In one extreme, some treat him as either the greatest father of the first millennium, as one can see in some western confessions and even by some Orthodox. In another extreme, some see him as the root source of a multitude of heresies, even explicitly or implicitly condemning him as a heretic.
This collection of writings by Fr. Seraphim Rose is meant to express the moderate, sober understanding of the place Blessed Augustine holds in the Orthodox Church. What follows are readings from the biography of Fr. Seraphim Rose, titled “Father Seraphim Rose: His Life and Works”, sections from his book titled “The Place of Blessed Augustine in the Orthodox Church”, selected private letters, and concluding with the Troparion and Kontakion for Blessed Augustine.
This collection of writings is by no means all of what Fr. Seraphim taught on Blessed Augustine. You’ll find much more when you buy the book here: www.sainthermanmonastery.com/...
0:08 Editor’s Introduction
1:42 Excerpts from “Father Seraphim Rose: His Life and Works”
From “On The Place of Blessed Augustine in the Orthodox Church”:
4:07 Preface
13:10 The Place of Blessed Augustine in the Orthodox Church
14:24 The Controversy over grace and free will
20:53 The Doctrine of Predestination
30:06 St. Photius on Blessed Augustine
35:26 Opinion of Blessed Augustine in Modern Times (NOTE: here is analysis on the use of “Blessed” and “Saint” for Augustine)
40:58 A Note on the Contemporary Detractors of Blessed Augustine
Readings of Sections of Letters Written by Fr. Seraphim Rose:
51:15 Letter to Nicholas
53:35 Letter to Fr. Michael Azkoul
58:30 Troparion and Kontakion for Blessed Augustine
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"Probably St. Cassian would not have spoken so eloquently and so in detail on the subject of God's grace if Augustine had not already been teaching his own one-sided doctrine. But the important thing to bear in mind here is that the disagreement between Cassian and Augustine was not one between Orthodox Father and heretic (as was, for example, the disagreement between Augustine and Pelagius), but rather one between two Orthodox Fathers who disagreed only in the details of their presentation of one and the same doctrine. Both St. Cassian and Blessed Augustine were attempting to teach the Orthodox doctrine of grace and free will as against the heresy of Pelagius; but one did so with the full depth of the Eastern theological tradition, while the other was led into a certain distortion of this same teaching owing to his overly-logical approach to it.” -Fr. Seraphim Rose, pp. 34-35
"Today all we Orthodox Christians, whether of East or West-if only we are honest and sincere enough to admit it--are in a 'Western captivity' worse than any our Fathers in the past have known. In previous centuries, Western influences may have produced some theoretical formulations of doctrine that were wanting in preciseness; but today the 'Western captivity' surrounds and often governs the very atmosphere and tone of our Orthodoxy, which is often theoretically "correct" but wanting in true Christian spirit, in the indefinable savor of true Christianity." -Fr. Seraphim Rose, p. 88
"I myself fear the cold hearts of the 'intellectually correct' much more than any errors you might find in Augustine. I sense in these cold hearts a preparation for the work of Antichrist (whose imitation of Christ must also extend to 'correct theology'); I feel in Augustine the love of Christ." -Fr. Seraphim Rose, p. 100-101
"We, though, who know that some of our Holy Fathers and teachers strayed from the faith of true dogmas, do not take as doctrine those areas in which they strayed, but we embrace the men." -St. Photius the Great, p. 67
"To Thee be praise, glory to Thee, Fountain of mercies. I was becoming more miserable, and Thou nearer. Thy right hand was continually ready to pluck me out of the mire, and to wash me thoroughly." -Blessed Augustine, p. 114
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It was because of St. Augustine that I found the Orthodox Church, glory to God! O St. Augustine pray for us sinners!
34:44 The great humility of St. Augustine, asking forgiveness for anything that he has written that may be in error.
This was very helpful. Especially 47:39 was good for me to hear. I am a new convert and I found the Orthodox Church by seeking for true doctrine amongst the total chaos of Protestantism. Now that I've found true Orthodoxy, it is very tempting to think that the doctrine is mine and that I am a great mind for having figured it out. May God destroy these thoughts. I am a fool, I was wrong about everything for over 30 years. I have no rights to boast. May God teach me this, thoroughly.
And something that is totally incomprehensible to the rationalistic western mind is that in the kingdom of God, doctrine is abolished. The doctrine is a shadow, a dim flicker of the reality of what God actually is. Those who experience God directly no longer have need of doctrine. Doctrine is like training wheels. Not that it is incorrect or relativistic, but it is transcended and left behind in the experience of God which is utterly beyond all concepts. And it is impossible to come to this experience outside of the Orthodox Church and without rightly believing in Orthodox doctrine. So let us not think that merely conceptually understanding doctrines actually means that we know ANYTHING of God.
@@paisios2541thank you. I'm very ignorant.
I was just thinking of St. Augustin of Hippo. Then this video shows up. I guess it's my answer. Thank you ☦
This collection of writings is by no means all of what Fr. Seraphim taught on Blessed Augustine. You’ll find much more when you buy the book here: www.sainthermanmonastery.com/mobile/Product.aspx?ProductCode=blaug
0:08 Editor’s Introduction
1:42 Excerpts from “Father Seraphim Rose: His Life and Works”
From “On The Place of Blessed Augustine in the Orthodox Church”:
4:07 Preface
13:10 The Place of Blessed Augustine in the Orthodox Church
14:24 The Controversy over grace and free will
20:53 The Doctrine of Predestination
30:06 St. Photius on Blessed Augustine
35:26 Opinion of Blessed Augustine in Modern Times (NOTE: here is analysis on the use of “Blessed” and “Saint” for Augustine)
40:58 A Note on the Contemporary Detractors of Blessed Augustine
Readings of Sections of Letters Written by Fr. Seraphim Rose:
51:15 Letter to Nicholas
53:35 Letter to Fr. Michael Azkoul
58:30 Troparion and Kontakion for Blessed Augustine
Thank you.
What saintly grace. All praise the Most High God of mercy. All praise Your All-Holy name of the Father, and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit. Amen!
Your channel is my favorite ☦️☦️🖤 straight from the holy fathers I would not know how to be balanced without seraphim Rose he's taught me so much on how to stay on the royal path as a catechumen
St. Augustine was not a, 'good Augustinian.'
Always wanted to read this book.
Putting Gregory Palamas above St Augustine is one of the most ridiculous things I have ever heard. Perhaps you should listen to Palamas less and rather follow the true greats of the orthodox (Catholic) church, where Augustine definitely belongs, but also Chrysostom as you say, and Leo, and Gregory the Great ... they represent the true Church, and none of them were palamites.
Good grief, did you merely listen or also discern the spirit of this video? Lord have mercy. Pray, fast and may God pour out His grace upon you. May He bless you with the very same grace of Hieromonk Seraphim Rose that you might enter His rest.
There is no such thing as Palamism, only Orthodoxy. St. Gregory Palamas only defends what the Church Fathers and Scripture have already taught. The Essence Energies Distinction is one of the most essential and beautiful doctrines that the Church teaches. It's found at least 30 times in the NT by St. Paul, was taught by all the Cappadocian Fathers, St. Cyril of Alexandria, St. John Damascus, St. Maximus, etc, and was taught explicitly in the 2nd, 3rd and 6th Ecumenical Councils in their arguments against heresy. Nothing new in St. Gregory Palamas's writings, only defense of Orthodoxy against the neoplatonic doctrines of the Latins at his time
@@ThomasG_NikolajNo, the so called essence-energy real distinction is not found in either Scriptures or the Church Fathers. Most certainly it is not taught in the ecumenical councils. The third letter of Cyril to Nestorius, accepted by the Council of Epehesus, teaches that the Divine persons ARE wisdom and power (and all the other Divine attributes), not really distinct from wisdom and power:
"But we do not say that the Spirit is wise and powerful through some sharing with another, for he is all perfect and in need of no good thing. Since he is the Spirit of the power and wisdom of the Father, that is the Son, he is himself, evidently, wisdom and power."
As St Leo the Great says [letter 15]: "No man is truth, wisdom, justice; but many are partakers of truth, wisdom, and justice. But God alone is exempt from any participating: and anything which is in any degree worthily predicated of Him is not an attribute, but His very essence."
And the decree of the Second Council of Nicaea declares about the veneration of images: "... and to these should be given due salutation and honourable reverence (ἀσπασμὸν καὶ τιμητικὴν προσκύνησιν), not indeed that true worship of faith (λατρείαν) WHICH PERTAINS TO THE DIVINE NATURE ALONE ..." That contradicts the Palamite position, that there is a real distinction between God's essence (nature) and His energies, but that both are truly divine and are to be given true divine worship. Obviously, the Second Council of Nicaea was not a palamite council.
lol
@@ThomasG_NikolajI have only seen your comment now, so here is the response - NOT A SINGLE church father taught that in God there is a real distinction/composition between his essence and his energies. The Cappadocians and St Cyril were especially clear in their teaching of divine simplicity. Just because they mention "energies", that doesn't mean that they taught palamism. Palamism is not "beautiful", but it introduces composition into God and leads to polytheism.
Pelagius should be a Saint over Augustine.
No
@@ThomasG_Nikolaj have you actually read from his own mouth what he believes, instead of what Augustine made up?
@@braevblackthorn6853 To be fair I couldn't care less what he said, that's not what's important. Many people said many true things and they're not saints. Aristotle, Plato, even Thomas Aquinas, they all got many things right but aren't saints. The Church canonized St. Augustine because of his humility. The Church didn't canonize Pelagius. The Church is the pillar and ground of Truth, not Pelagius's writings
@ThomasG_Nikolaj yeah, they got it wrong. He isn't humble, and he lied about Pelagius. Augustine is the one who actually brought in heresies into the Church, and Pelagius was considered Orthodox at every council he was able to attend to defend himself. The bishop even told Augustine that he didn't find any fault in him. He was persuaded later because of political power to change what he said. Augustine, with his own lies, said he didn't know if Pelagius believed the things he presented against him but didn't care. That's not a Saint. That's a wicked sinner.
@@ThomasG_Nikolaj his own lips*...