Artifacts have 5 layers of RNG: 1- Being on the set you want 2- Being the piece you want 3- Having a good main stat 4- Having good sub stats 5- Praying it upgrades your good substats instead of dumping everything into def You can only farm 8 per day, repeat 40 times for all your characters.
6- You have to hope for high rolls on those substats. 4 bad low rolls are worth as much as 3 good high rolls. 2.7% Crit Rate X 4 = 10.8% Crit Rate 3.9% Crit Rate X 3 = 11.7% Crit Rate
Biggest reason why I stopped playing this game after I reached the end of the content at the time, this is just ridiculous. Different sets also spawn in certain days of the week unless they decided to remove this tedious dumpsterfire anti-feature.
I'm so glad you called out the community about doing things "out of order". It's honestly infuriating at this point because I watch so many new players and the chat ends up confusing them more than the game itself. It's understandable since people who have a positive experience naturally have trouble understanding people can have the same positive experience using a different method, but it still frustrates me to no end seeing all the pointless confusion pushed on new players
I think it's mainly because many people are playing this game for a long time and each update is adding new content that has some follow ups of old content. And it does result in some minor Easter eggs or story bits being fed in the wrong order. Like, the world quest in Liyue foreshadowing the existence of Azhdaha is quite pointless after you did the Zhongli story quest 2. But even though people's reactions make sense, it still doesn't make it acceptable behaviour
Many members of the community are well meaning in the help and "help" they try to provide, but way too many of them also manage to come off as try-hards that couldn't hack it in any other game. The game is pretty mid, but honestly, the community turned me off of it worse than hitting that point where another newly released character I knew I would bench just didn't do it for me anymore. Any morsel of "wrong" advice to a newbie or criticism towards the game had a legion of insufferable white knights descend on me like they'd actually get to bang Yae Miko if I conceded to their genius.
Maybe this makes me a "fake fan" or whatever in the eyes of these types of players, but I skipped through a lot of dialogue for all the regions until Sumeru and didn't really care about reading the lore stuff like Book of Sun and Moon, cos I'm just not interested in doing that. I play Genshin cos I like the combat system, environments, art direction and music. Everyone has different things they prioritize in the experience, I can only imagine how annoying it must be to have people backseating you about enjoying the game "wrong" lol Also I'm kinda surprised his problem with artifacts was backseating twitch chatters instead of the insane RNG tied to the system lol. Him beating floor 12 with a scuffed team and unlevelled artis is insane to me lol
@@bobjones2959 I would say that you're a fake fan, yes. The game definitely has its fair share of problems (it's objectively mid), but the story is a core part of the experience, as the developers put a lot of time and effort into the story and they want players to experience it (the story is the main part of the game, including the world quests). If you're not playing the game for the story, and you're not playing the game for the exploration either (which is the second major part of the experience), then you obviously don't like the core experience of the game, which means that you aren't actually a fan of it. Saying that you're a fan of Genshin Impact when you're not even there for the what the game primarily offers its customers is like saying that someone is a Final Fantasy fan when they're only there for the story and don't care about or even actively despise the gameplay, or like saying that a KH2 fan is a fan of Action RPGs when they think stat management and buildcraft in those types of games, especially at Level 1, is inherently unenjoyable. By definition, being a fan of something means that you enjoy the core of what a given piece of art/media offers. You can certainly enjoy the combat system, environments, art direction and music, that's perfectly fine, but if you're only playing the game for those parts and aren't playing it for the story, characters and exploration, you're not a fan of Genshin Impact, you just have a few broad preferences that the game scratches the itch of just enough to make you want to play it, even though you otherwise dislike the game. To be a Genshin Impact fan, you have to be there for _Genshin Impact,_ not for yourself.
Someone probably said that already, but Yoimya's part in Archon Quest IS her Story Quest, but for some reason it had to be pushed inside the Archon Quest. Same with Ayaka's. I have no idea why they did it that way and i agree that they made early Inazuma arc drag for a while, even though both Yoimiya and Ayaka are nice characters.
For Yoimya quest i understand because timeline is connected to main quest but had no idea for Ayaka quest. Country being lock down is not relevant at all in that if I remember correctly.
Because when 2.0 released, we had soooo little story content, that they artificially inflated the length of it by making Ayakas and Yoyas storys mandatory. Those both take up almost the same time as the main story of the patch.
Well, it would be weird walk with Ayaka in Inazuma City when you are a CRIMINAL. I think mihoyo took in consideration that in act 2 of the inazuma archon quest you become a criminal after fighting raiden. However I think in a player perspective it wasn't a good idea.
One thing I appreciated the most about this video is Necrit did not let anyone ruin is experience of the game. I am glad you had a blast while experiencing Genshin, Necrit. Edit: Also pretty funny (kinda accurate) that most of the flaw is the community deciding how you should play lol
Absolutely. The level of sarcasm in most of this video is amazing. He's voicing the issues the haters always bring up on an account of his that's f2p, got a 5* on his first pull, both limited 5*s on their banner run without losing 50/50, they were Hu Tao and Yelan, then he got 3 limited 5* weapons back to back also not losing 50/50. I was laughing so much towards the end when the veil dropped and he revealed that his real gripe with the game was the meta community lol
@@InotiaKing lol same here! I was cracking up towards the end. There are some amazing people in the Genshin community but at the same time there are some not so very amazing ones and they happen to be quite loud at the same time. I'm really happy Necrit saw past that
Yeah its ridiculous how the community will get mad over you not wanting to use some boring tech to get a bit more dmg. He probably would have enjoyed using hu tao if the community didn't tell him that he has to use the tech.
The reason the Chasm was so good was because it was the one time the game forced you to play the sidequests in the right order at the right time. For better or worse, Inazuma's charm isn't in the main story, it's in the sidequests. "Show don't tell" is a lot more common there.
Tbh if you force yourself to do this for most regions the story/world is actually insane lol I started playing about 3-4 months ago not even thinking about the spiral abyss (I still haven’t beat it😂)I basically just played in a way that allowed me to progress the story and when I finished Sumeru about a month ago I was floored …I hadn’t enjoyed a games story that much in a long time
Man, I enjoyed the Xavier side quest more than Inazuma's main one. That tells a lot. And Enka, it's a hassle to go there but the lore you get? Incredible
If you do the intoductory quest an then explore an some world queats an then do more main story, inuzami makes alot of sense. Matter of fact the game itself is hinting at us in various ways that this is what is recommended, play wise. Weather it be through main story quest mentioning the island being split so you sould be careful if you visit there or the different world quests requrring you to do 3 different things to fix a island, repeadlty, on various islands, 2.0 litterly lanuching with 3 islands, hint hint, or how the uograde system for the statues works in relation to the traveler an his skills for that regions element an how he, or she, always has to do some sort of big story bssed fight as the traveler. The games always incouraged this type of overall mix of story/exploration/story/exploration/story since the beginning of the game. The only really big change is interlude in this regard. Well that an a few smaller things. Not inportant though. An all interlude really dors is present a smaller scale of the overall games story an exploration suggested playstyle. Me personally i spend way to much time just expkoring lol 😅 an not enough of the storys i could do lol 😂 I need more time in the day lol 😅😅
@@Splatz007 Yep you're right. But playing it as a new player now it's not obvious - the Chasm Archon Quest is locked behind starting the world quest, but there's nothing in the game telling you to go explore Tsurumi after Raiden's two quests, or to go down into Enkanomiya after Tsurumi. The game has a specific pacing with content releases, but once released the game isn't interested in handholding you... Genshin could really use a sort of in-game quest roadmap. Inazuma's lore and worldbuilding really is beautiful. Raiden's story has nothing on Ruu and Kazari, and I'm still attached to Neko, Enjo and Aberaku... I'm glad they figured out a more accessible way to present it for Sumeru though.
When I played Genshin, I got Beidou very early so I made her my carry. Everyone told me she was garbage, but I just found her so fun to play. I relate to you.
I also made Beidou my carry. She's great. Community opinions on characters is something to avoid. I hate Hu tao's gameplay so I benched her, and ditto for Emo jump boy and quite a few others (anyone small apart from Nahida) I'd rather enjoy my characters even if it means losing out on some primos.
For me, it was Dori. I really liked her character and accidentally got her to C5 lol. I have both Kuki and Dori and even though my Kuki is far more stacked, I play Dori a lot more and is actually one of my better supports. 😂 Far better than my Bennett or XQ. My XQ is not levelled because I find his gameplay boring without a sac sword. I try to get the billets but I just cant get the sword one. Meanwhile I have an R4 Sac Greatsword for my Dori which absolutely fixes her issues and I just love it!
@@reverie4384 I run Fav Sword on my XQ. I don't see the need for Sac's Ability unless you plan to run him as the Main DPS. Of course, I lucked out and got ridunkulous ER on him. And my Artifacts are kinda trash. His ER might end up lower by the time I'm finished with him, but I still don't see myself using Sac Sword with him. Besides, I think Fav Sword fits his aesthetic and sword style better. 😁 Also, Sac Sword is a Gacha Sword, not a Crafted Sword. Also, also, I find Bennet a bit overrated in the community. I don't use him unless I have to. And by that, I mean if I have to have a Pyro Healer as he is, quite literally, the only Pyro Healer in the game right now. Most of the time I run into that situation is in Co-Op and I'm forced to play Healer. It's actually kinda funny. Of all the Healers in the game, Bennett is the one I like to play the least. Ok maybe Dori is the least, but to be fair I haven't really played her. Her kit just doesn't appeal to me. I didn't even get her off her banner, lol. I just got her randomly because 4-Star. But yeah, I don't like the fact that Bennett's healing stops once you crest 70% HP and I don't find his ATK Buff all that useful because I find I do more than enough damage without it. And I don't really play Spiral Abyss so it's not like I'm really needing near Damage Showcase numbers. Even then, I'm fairly certain you don't ever need Bennett to 36 Star the Spiral Abyss. It's really too bad I find him so overrated and not fun to play because I really love his character.
ngl i've never once experienced a single 'great part' personally, and I've played all the way through till end of Sumeru Archon. frankly my fave was Enkanomiya bc it was near non existent and the area looked cool and ominous. the only reason I played Sumeru was bc I was sure they couldn't flunk again, but no it was lightly better but still a confused, stop and start mess
@@18andcloudy their story is really convoluted and complex sometimes, unless you’ve read a lot and played a lot of games before, it can feel tiring Which is why the beginning of the game is locked behind levels, so that new players actually take the time to learn and understand the world Yet like Necrit said, they stretch a lot of text needlessly
I still remember back in version... 1.1 ? There was an event in which scaramouche appeared for the first time... in a limited time event... One time they did turn an event quest into a world quest which was an awesome solution. But they really should've done that to all the event quests and just give us like 60 primos for completing those.
Unreconciled Stars. The best event with the second best Co-op 'Fallen Star'. The best co-ops is when we have to fight bosses, like in 'Automaton Front' or 'Frostborn Miracle'.
It's soo annoying. But how do they add these back without making it feel like not playing the events on release is absolutely fine? And an even bigger issue will be the issue of memory in the phone. The game is having huge struggle keeping the file size low and a big contributing factor is the event files being deletable. I doubt they will change it.
@@newbie4789 they could get around storage by only adding events that are very important to lore with a 60 primo reward for completing it like a story quest would give and events that give a weapon could just give the weapon fully refined automatically. This way storage is saved and players still have a reason to do the quest when it releases for more primos and newer players wont miss out on weapons like cinnabar spindle.
For the artifact part: Most people in the community have no idea what an actually good artifact is, they got thrilled into thinking only crit is good and nothing else. The diluc goblet is the best example It is a great artifact with a ton of atk which diluc really wants and good crit damage rolls
Depends on your build, with WGS EM Sands is the go to on Diluc, the crit dmg headpiece he has is actually not bad considering Diluc ascends C.Rate and Dehya's Sword also has 33% of it
very very true, I used to watch streamers during the pandemic years and oh god WAS IT THE MOST TRIGGERING THING especially that I really like Genshin meta. ppl would see an artifact with 2 crit rolls only, yeah, but all the rest went to EM&ER on Xiangling and say it's trash 💀
Absolutely love reliving the point of starting out fresh into Genshin. Coomin at every lil thing. Then the dread as he realizes the gameplay loop and endgame of Genshin, where meta slaves crawls out of the darkness to tell you how to play the game. And finally the bold choice to go against the meta to spite them, which in the process cripples him and kinda broke his challenge as he became a "secondhand spender".
@@ThatsPrettyFunnyManGenshin has an absolutely amazing early game, where the world feels expansive and everything is fresh. But honestly, as someone who still likes the game a lot, endgame leaves a lot to be desired. The world stops feeling expansive and starts feeling empty once you've looted all the chests and done the one-time puzzles, and the gameplay loop starts feeling really repetitive. The art direction, environments, music and atmosphere are enough to keep me coming back, but it does get kinda boring at times.
4:24 I don't know if any of you noticed this, but IT IS Yoimiya's character quest! 😂 Hoyo just required it to be done before you can proceed to the main/archon quest. There were two character quest in between the archon quest before you could proceed. First was Ayaka's, and Yoimiya's. The difference is that, they never required a key. Which is why we're getting a part 2 of Yoimiya's for the upcoming patch in the first place. 😂
It was due to how short Act 2 ( the rushed story develope, rumour said due to original writer exodus ) archon quest so they try to stretch player time by require Yoi and Ayaka quest.
he was frustrated that he had to do it before finishing the archon's quest, it absolutely kills the pace and hype, especially since Yoimiya's quest is honestly one of the worst ones of the game, where you don't even see her that often.
It's more due to where we are at the game since you can't whale for artis. Half of my teams are now running on 35-40cv stuff so if I see something around 20cv for me ofc its gonnna be mid and not for a person running 10-15cv stuff.
I watched his stream when he was complaining about it and the thing was, his artifacts that he said were good...were not good at all. He didn't have a good grasp on what stats individual characters wanted, so he was calling artifacts that didn't fit the character very well "good".
The thing is, if you watch the stream, the artifact that he showed are actually bad. This combine with Chat jokingly like to say the word MID. Most of the time, chat just say Mid because Necrit said " don't say it's Mid" You know, when the streamer said don't do something, the chat will do it to troll the streamer. Most of it are ironic.
@@jasonho2890 expecting someone who is new to the game to completely understand what good artifacts are is quite stupid imo. You can justify people acting like a dick all you want but those people are assholes, you know it.
As a long time Necrit fan from his League content, and now frequent watcher of his Genshin streams, I've honestly been feeling kind of burnt by his recent story and archon quest streams. I'm thankful to him for having made that really amazing and thorough 50 minute Genshin first impressions/review video that turned lots of heads and got lots more people to give the game a chance. But when it comes to Necrit himself, it truly feels like he has absolutely no respect for the storytelling and lore of this game. It's such a gratifying experience to watch someone who has misinformed/negative preconceived notions about the game have all of those thoughts crumble before them as they play Genshin and realize they are genuinely enjoying their time playing and thoroughly immersing themselves in the rich and beautiful world, lore, music, and just sheer artistry of the game. And the first few streams when he was brand new actually genuinely were like this! But Necrit's more recent story streams hardly provide that experience anymore for the Genshin audience he cultivated that tripled his viewership from his TFT days. From his constant bickering and talking over dialogue to make flippant and dismissive predictions of what’s going to happen instead of just... listening to the story, to his frequent misinterpretation and confusion about the most basic of lore and story plots that have been presented to him in the main story (not even hidden or deep lore that he has to go out of his way to find, actual main story stuff that is directly stated). It's quite an exhausting experience. It feels like there's only been two times he's ever actually been invested/paying attention to the story, once during the end of the Inazuma archon quest, and once during the beginning of the Sumeru archon quest. Almost every other time during story quests, world quests, or other lore heavy moments, it's like he's not paying attention at all. As a result he constantly misses key points in the dialogue that were said a sentence or two ago, or seems to “forget” things he literally just heard. He also for some reason refuses to learn how certain names in the game are pronounced? It’s one thing to come up with cute or endearing nicknames for characters, but it feels different when it seems like willful ignorance or outright refusal to learn, even when it’s read aloud in dialogue. It’s genuinely hard to tell sometimes if he actually even knows the names of important characters and just says them wrong as a joke, or if he just sees a foreign name and instantly dubs it the first thing that comes to mind without even trying, but I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt since he is dyslexic. Feels like that’s all the more reason for him to take the time to make sure he understands things thoroughly though, because all that does is further distance himself from the lore and increase his detachment from everything. And don't even get me started on his insistence to "break" the game by glitching out of domains or climbing through invisible walls with geo traveler. Look, I get it, he's a game developer too so he wants to see how they coded or modeled the walls by seeing if he can glitch out. And because he feels like he "can" break the game, he "has to". It truly just feels disrespectful, not even towards the developers but to the viewing audience, who have to sit there and watch him try time and time again to break the game in unintended ways instead of experiencing the story normally. Well, I guess they don't have to, they can just stop watching if they don't like it, but that's not really an ideal situation for him or the viewers really. I personally want to watch Necrit having a good experience playing Genshin, which he claims he is, and that's great! I'm glad he's having fun and enjoying one of my favorite games as well in his own way. But my God is it frustrating for actual lore enthusiasts and story enjoyers who expected the self-proclaimed "Lorewalker" to give this game's lore a little bit more of a fair shake. When his streams are titled with variations of “exploring lore”, it kind of gives off the impression of “lore guy does Genshin”, but it doesn’t feel as though Necrit brings a critical lore eye to the game at all. And he doesn’t have to, of course, it’s just misleading and frustrating as a viewer. That's why I was honestly floored by one of Zepla's past videos where she talked about how amazed she was by Sumeru's writing quality and her subsequent Genshin streams. She displayed such an incredible grasp and understanding of not just the lore and story but its symbolism and allegory that I expected Necrit to have, but he just simply doesn't. Frankly, his lore knowledge is absolutely dismal for someone who has played 700 hours and "beat" the game. At first, Necrit's streams had me convinced that not reading the lore books and digging deep to see how much care and detail is put into pretty much everything was a huge detriment to understanding and appreciating the story fully, because he was constantly missing key details, having things go over his head, and assuming things that weren't there or simply false. And then Zepla taught me that you can truly understand and appreciate a large chunk of the story effectively without doing any of that, you literally just need to pay attention and not be so dismissive. You could truly tell how much investment she had in everything from the way she was internalizing every detail and connecting it all together to see the big picture. A little bit of suspension of disbelief goes a long way, but it also helps when you get emotionally invested in the characters and story itself as much as she has, which can really only be done if you're actually paying attention. I know I'm not the only one who feels this way too, as I've seen lots of other people vent their frustrations about Necrit's approach to Genshin in both his and Zepla's discords and even reddit. I don't expect him to become a super Genshin deep lore streamer/youtuber like the likes of Ashikai, IslandXD, Chill With Aster, KlemenTime, etc. That was never his intention in the first place and that's fine, he’s just here for the memes and to see what the game’s all about. To him it's just a casual fun game to spend some time on. I just wish that as someone who knows how good lore from games like League can get, he'd come at Genshin with that same energy, especially since (imo) Genshin's lore and worldbuilding goes waaay harder, and I truly feel like if he genuinely dug into it, he would enjoy the heck out of it. All I can hope for is that he gains a more invested and respectful approach to the game’s lore and story for more enjoyable story content streams in the future.
Yeah honestly I agree with this. It feels weird to me, because I heard of him through a friend who watches his videos and thought that I would enjoy his Genshin streams since he's known as a pretty big lore youtuber in the LoL community. And I was definetely not dissapointed because I found his reactions and the videos he's made on the game so far to be really interesting! But I also feel like he hasn't even scratched the surface of Genshin Lore. I mean, for example, Zepla read "Before Sun & Moon" in a stream, and seeing her reaction was so interesting because she immediately started making theories and such. She made an comment about how "is the Sun and Moon fake?" And then when she finished the Sumeru Archon Quest and Dottore mentioned the "Sky is fake" ordeal she was immediately super surprised and trying to connect everything together, which was very entertaining to watch. Granted, Genshin lore is very very complicated, and it's difficult to get into because of the way it's presented, and I'm not talking about things such as artifact lore and such, but even side quests make it different to understand. For example in the "Dirge of Bilqis" world quest they mention the name "Nabu Malikata" a lot. Lore players might be able to figure out from the description of this person/goddess that it's the Goddess of Flowers. But like, players that don't really pay attention too much will get very confused to who this might be. But still, I feel like although the dialogue can be drawn out or some parts very difficult to understand, he really has grasped so little of the lore. I don't even think he has done stuff with Albedo's quest, or if he even knows who Rhinedottir and such is. Hell, I'll be surprised if he manages to figure out if that "Golden Nara" = our sibling, or that the hidden door you find in the undeground while doing the Pari quest is the door to Khaenri'ah.
Thanks for this comment, as a long time viewer from Necrit, I was very sad with his streams. Even tho he is very nice to genshin in videos, from streams it just felt disrespectful from his part again and again, from the refusal to understand what ppl in chat were trying to help him with, to the lack of direction he had without a reliable friend to guide him during the story and side quests. He got overwhelmed and refused to slow down a little bit, and seems like he got burned out by the AQ. He could take his time since primos are not more important than his enjoyement of the game!
Once you notice that characters can't seem to say the words "kill", "die", "murder" etc. in the earlier chapters of Genshin you can already see it has a more "family friendly" tone to it. Even though I prefer more complex and darker themes, this tone didn't ruin my enjoyment of the game at all. Paimon is what pushes this over the edge for me and makes me feel like I'm playing an episode of Dora the Explorer. To sum up why Paimon genuinely ruins Genshin's story for me. She has redeeming qualities such as caring about the Traveller, stands up for what is right and she sometimes works well as a comedic relief, but she has these qualities in such extremes they are also annoying character traits. 1. She is OBSESSED with the Traveller, to the point where she hates if the Traveller wants to be away from her even for a short amount of time like with Xiao. 2. She likes to stand up for what is right, but has no sense of timing. There are multiple instances of her jumping the gun and making things more difficult because she is too eager to jump into evil-busting, and she NEVER learns. 3. Her comedic relief isn't always effective and instead spoils the tone of Genshin's more serious and solemn moments. Honkai: Star Rail showed to me the impact that Hoyoverse's more serious scenes can have. After witnessing the quest about the man who lost his family and basically worked himself to death to provide supplies to Natasha's clinic, it made me wonder how much less impactful it would be if Paimon popped out at the end and went "Oh no! Is he gone?! Now I'm all sad...".
The character design should have give you a clue also, 95% of characters are childs or teens at most compared to their other games like Honkai impact or HSR that have a lot more grown up characters
@@chelo136 okay the 95% of all characters being is a bit of an exaggeration since barely any of them are childs but about 55% of them are teens and 31% of them are adults/grown ups. Also HSR has it's own fair share of teens/childs too
Today is the 100th day anniversary of Necrit getting me to try Genshin Impact. My ability to save wishes is going to be truly tested on the upcoming Kazuha banner. Actually looking forward to the next 100 days of more casual play and stocking up on resources I kept bottoming out of. Thanks Necrit for getting me into this beautiful game.
Personally, I've like Hu tao's playstyle since I enjoy canceling animations (yes she's C0), same goes for League where I'm a Talon main because the swift animations feel good to use. Artifact wise don't let people bother you to much, most of the time players focus way to much on crit value when 4 rolls of atk% and 2-3 rolls of crit is still a really damn good piece. The same goes for er rolls, em rolls, etc.
Necrit misunderstood the cancel jump as part of Hu Tao gameplay.. its never been. It's a trick for efficient stamina consumption when doing charged atk as c0. There's difference, that trick is not required when playing her.
@@7thLeader It’s not inherently part of her kit, but is integral to playing her and maximizing stamina efficiency and mobility with her. Mostly because not dash cancelling will lead you far away from where you want to be when dealing damage, hence the loss in dps, and wasting stamina in the process. It’s not really necessary, if you don’t want to deal with that, but still important to consider because it just gets rid of some annoying parts of her gameplay.
@@yesensei like I said it's a trick. like. in. short.. what I'm trying to point out is the early spoil, the misdelivery of telling this trick from players to players that makes new players think hu tao gameplay is even more difficult. My opinion is to let them use her for a while and if the player is really into making her as main chara then fine, if they look it up sure.. The important is its them having the genuine interest first.
The dialogue bloat is insane! What’s worse, if you are farming consumables for ascension levels, you can accidentally walk into a quest that triggers a 15 min cut scene you can’t skip. Fucking maddening.
[Given the topic, story spoilers may be assumed to follow.] I feel Inazuma's weaknesses are more apparent in retrospect, now that players can play through in one go rather than wait for the updates (and streamers are usually in a hurry on camera and want big chunks of story progress), and that some of them weren't apparent to the designers either until this point due to it's being hard to tell ahead of time what would make it in. For example, allied NPCs would have been very useful for a civil war - but they just weren't available yet although it looks like that's the reason why we have a few in Sumeru despite there being no great reason to push for that engine feature at that point - some of the work was already done. The basic issue was the contradictory needs of pacing, which the writing did take a stab at and which I feel does succeed at fitting together even though this makes it subvert player anticipations. Once reaching Inazuma there's a driving need to slow the plot down: there's a land as steeped in history as Liyue and with less land mass to explore and a lot of people to meet. However, there's a civil war going on, which seems to indicate a need to speed the plot up. The immediate way to reconcile this is to make it clear the protagonist doesn't care about the local plotline. While this does make sense, not everybody has spent the time going through their character pages and has realized they really do have personalities (differing, even) and their own goals and desires... and honestly, even for somebody who had it was still a touch jarring. Making it viscerally clear the Land of Lightning does not appreciate being just casually traversed also either helps or instead annoys people who have plans to Finish this Quest Now and aren't going to adjust them. The less immediate fix was to keep most of the civil war pretty off-camera, which if you're focused entirely on that single plotline will make it feel like it goes by far too quickly. This ties in to the final reconciliation of these needs, which was to ensure that even in-game the civil war was being carefully paced out by a third party. In terms of everything fitting together in the long run, this makes perfect sense: future events made it clear the Fatui have a long history influencing Inazuma, even if most of that influence doesn't seem to have been with the specific goal of setting this up. And in retrospect, it makes total sense that until the Fatui are through there - which coincides neatly with your entrance into the arena - nobody is going to be winning. And it also makes sense that as this is a war where the people in charge of both sides want to keep everybody alive more than they want to push through a quick victory (and they've got better battlefield medicine than the real world), there's a semblance of peacetime on Narukami Island. The people have enough other things to worry about that it's mostly the family members of soldiers who pay attention to the war. And it's not like the main character doesn't get to resolve the real issues even if for a change the populace doesn't notice this. It's not a bad plotline - but it's nowhere near what people expected going in, probably by design although it's hard to tell from the outside what just didn't make it in the development time. I'm more content with Kokomi's presentation although I feel there isn't quite enough tell. The basic concept behind her is very clearly one we've seen tried later in Honkai Star Rail: that actual strategic competence is displayed not in a brilliant and unexpected maneuver but in the total lack of need for any such. She's also a change from most of the smart people in the game in that she's entirely open with you about what she knows and is doing. (Nahida's kind of a callback to this in that while she still doesn't always share, she's theoretically keeping tabs on you and would certainly share if you actually needed the information and were messing with something that was definitely your business.) And this isn't a bad idea concept if it does mean somebody has to get lucky for interesting things to happen where Kokomi's involved. The one bit of "tell" I think we really did need at the start was any hint of her long-term goals - or lack of them beyond playing the role the people wanted her to - because it's the only way to put what we do see of her strategy in context.
As someone who often hangs around in genshin streams chat backseating you for everything is so annoying and clowning on backseaters is so fun. Great video ALSO CAN I PLEASE GET UR SUMERU VODS I WANT TO SEE YOUR REACTION TO STUFF
my main issue with the paimon, dialogue, exposition problem is that because they do TOO MUCH explaining, it makes following the story HARDER, not easier. i stopped caring and following the story because the pacing was so awful, and i could have dealt with that if the dialogues werent so unbelievably boring and useless. genshin is a prime example in storytelling how overexplaining the plot, makes it HARDER to follow.
I get what necrit says about albedo. For newer players, albedo just seems like your typical normal handsome alchemist but if you've played the 1.2 event, albedo has really rich lore in that event. Another example is the golden archipelago stories with mona, kazuha and fischl on 2.8 or even with the first golden archipelago with klee on 1.6. I just hope that they would keep the stories in events that we could play anytime we want.
My personal issue with storytelling here is that whenever the new area is released, devs just add so much new terms in one dialogue that it’s just tiring to even decipher what they are talking about. For example, 3.6 update with story about Para’s is just such a torture. They added so much terms which are used over and over and which has a lot of interchangeable words - like there are 3 words for the same term and they use it in different dialogue so I’m just lost.
@@effortlessfury same... it's like playing as such profession in a fantastical setting. Taking notes on the similar concept between region (corruption , cataclysm, khaenriah) and learning how the higher power operate in its respective region, matching oral and written records while putting into consideration which side is the source of it, further search on similar term irl for references. Also paying attention to the visual design etc. The pari one might be harder to follow because zoroastrian terms is not as mainstream as greek or japan mythology (?). Similar use of term also happened in inazuma and other part of the story. Genshin tend to have several name for something, like personal name, common tongue name, region specific name, title and in game mythological alias. Exactly like how irl cross culture history are. It's really interesting imo Not to mention it introduces me to a lot of insights on irl myth and culture
Some people may seems them as tiring and just full of Giberrish, and just want to skip and speed up the quest for Primo and Achievement. But, someone who is intrested in Story and Cross Cultural refrence and World Building love those kind of Storytelling. A words twisted with Inuedo and such in Pari and Aranara stories maybe is difficult to understand, but for me, thats what makes it intresting. Because thats what makes the world alive and not just one Culture, that everything written and spoken has to be the same as us. Same as i learning English and connecting every slang and Inuedo to my local language and adapt it to make unique language. But thats my opinion and its your game.
@@effortlessfury In all fairness, in the past notebooks were essential for some RPGs. These days I just read on the wikis, but keeping a notebook for a game is fun from time to time.
there is one major difference between the banners, you garantee the 5* you want on the second pull, on the weapon banner it is on the 3rd pull, and it needs to be on the same banner, the progress is reset on the next banner, they need to split the banner like they did with the character banners
Let me correct your idea: They need to split the banner like they did with character banners AND reduce Hard Pity from 3 to 2. I think the Weapon Banner having a Hard Pity of 3 Five-Stars instead of 2 like the Character Banners is stupid. Also, if they take your suggestion, they can, then, allow Pity Count to roll over to next banner just like Character Banners. It would improve Weapon Banner so much without really hurting their bottom line.
@@ForeverDegenerate yeah, it doesn't make sense that a weapon is harder to get than a 5 star character, I think that their idea is that because the pity is less, 80 in comparison to 90, it totally makes sense for the pity to also be 2 losses before a win instead of one, because a difference of an average of 1600 preemogems totally means it should cost an entire 80 pull pity extra to get the weapon.
@@ForeverDegenerate unfortunately for me I'm trying to get Thundering Pulse right now for my Yoimiya and I'm gonna be trying to get Eula in 3.8, I might just end up skipping Thundering Pulse.
The long conversation reminds me of how web novels that are crazy popular in China and some parts of the world. Since they are paid by word count and chapter, it fills with filler and unnecessary repeated sentences.
Good video! It's definitely good to take a step back and see the big picture; Genshin isn't perfect, and it definitely has many, MANY flaws, but to me they do something right that isn't just FOMO to keep me coming back (heck, I haven't had as good of retention in other live services). But yeah, it definitely seems like community backseating and the general discourse around everything Genshin can be unproductive. Enjoy the game how you want, basically.
Thank you for pointing out how painful it is when you miss out Albedo's story. His story is so important yet it was locked behind 1.6 and 2.3. i missed the 1.6 event and i missed the festering desire and im glad that i was there for 2.3 but missing 1.6 is so painful Also i don't jump Hutao's animation because i didn't know you can do that, i just zoom zoom 😂
22:20 to be fair the bigger difference is just building a good team. bigger than artifacts. i still hate that the abyss is a dps check. some co-op events with no time limit and an extra difficult stage which i played with 3 other RL friends were so incredible fun. like the cube bosses as event. sounds to simple. but with friends and making team comps it was a blast.
I love this man. He knows both the highs and lows of Genshin so well😭😭😭. The pain of how Inazuma Archon quest was annoying and how dialogue drag is just the most important thing to notice. The issue with the dialogue is that Genshin characters, unless it's a pre-rendered cut-scene, has a limited amount of movements. So the characters really are incapable of showing any subtext. So they had to add emotions and stuff into the characters completely through dialogues. Body language and movements are mostly shared between the characters
Yup, you're pretty much right when it comes to Artifacts. I have the same mentality: an Artifact is either good, with at least 3 good substats for the proper mainstat, or COPIUM. The thing is, because of the RNG, you wanna have as many good substats as possible in the event that some rolls miss the one you want. Then it's at least usable. I think you'll eventually become like this as well if you keep playing the game or Star Rail. Still, while in the beginning there might be a lot of frustration, as time goes on, you'll become kinda numb to how shit the RNG is. At the end of the day, it is what it is. At least you don't have to min-max for the story.
Unfortunately, he did the challenge during WeNut lol, but fairly well done. The true f2p endgame is consistently trying to do a 36* abyss for those measly extra 50 primos instead of just doing a 33* clear. It's doable even against Wenut abyss in my f2p acc but it sure is challenging and time-consuming, granted I've been playing the acc since day 1 release.
I have been playing day 1 and still haven't cleared with 36 stars. 33 max. Truth be told those annoying snake enemies are jst stupid mechanics. Going underground? Why?
@@crewgunnight8987 Honestly, I'd take an enemy with triple the health of the wenut if it means I could fight it the whole time. By its 3rd come around, I had the strategy, I knew where and when it surfaces but I'll never forget how annoying it was the first time around.
The true endgame for genshin is actually teamcomps developing Without considering the abyss in my personal opinion. You can get the most fun out of the system in this way.
@@crewgunnight8987 really?? I cleared with 36 stars with 3 months after launch, only doing welking and BP. And never failed again to 36 since. I quit for a year before chasm came out and im back since last patch, now with Nahida its better than ever to 36 star. You should really be able to do it blindfolded by now if you are playing everyday.
The Storytelling in Genshin was also my problem, which I why I left the game for several versions. I hate that you have to read and read and read like it's 200 page book. But damn do I love those cutscenes when they appear.
I think the worst part of side quests not having dialogue is when they use unique names for everything. I really tried to pay attention to the 3.7 world quest but there were just so many complex names for things coming up in every single sentence. And when they eventually get explained, it's the longest and most annoying sentence to read.
Lmao that Hu Tao vs gigachad is awesome. 08:52 Tbf though, you'd know enough about Albedo if you'd done his character quest like the game warned us before the "Quick Start" button in the event.
Genshin as a one time playthough is really enjoyable but at the point of beeing able to 36 star abyss after the story uninstalling the game is probably the best decision to make, it's an empty world with nothing to do. You will start to hate the game sooner or later if you continue to play. It lacks purpose and enjoyment.
I strongly recommend doing Yoimiya's second quest. It really makes her character shine. Adding on, I'm sorry that chat made you feel like you weren't having fun the right way. That just sucks. I hope you continue to play, though! If you're having fun playing the way you want, then that's how you should play it! It feels like people get caught up in some of the only content that's rapidly made by Genshin content creators, which is optimizing builds and meta teams each patch and tier lists. It feels like people take that content and think, "That's just the correct way to play the game!" Then there's creators like Cwack on Crack who just make funny videos with very, very off meta builds and just has fun with making funny numbers from funny ideas, then again, they do seem to be a whale and can get away with it, but it's still fun to watch.
I've been playing genshin for a bout 2 and a half years and I fully agree with your points about the story. It's a great story, but holy fuck it's so boring to watch the characters talk about it more than they actually experience it. What's worse is you can't even skip the dialogue cutscenes. I've genuinely caught myself falling asleep multiple times.
Amazing video man! You really highlighted every issue I had with this game and most important was the artifact grinding problem. People always argue with each other about how much time you should spend on grinding these items and took literal months to get me "perfect" artifacts that people wouldn't call mid, but it is really just fine if you got something just OK. for perspective I've been playing for 2 years now and started playing since release, I've seen every issue there is to offer and took a lot of breaks during the way because the game just isn't fun for too long. But I agree that the game shouldn't be gating lore through limited events and people shouldn't be backseating on how you enjoy the story. I was actually half expecting you to fail at beating the abyss but you did pull through, and for that I give you props! Good video, the variety content that isn't league is very entertaining even as a genshin veteran (which I'm not sure I'm proud of) and also means you don't rely on league's arguably confusing storytelling
I don't use the jump animation cancel on Hu Tao because waiting for her to land is just painful for me I use normal attack and charge instead and it actually looks like I'm fighting xD
I’ve noticed that may people have similar issues regarding characters that appeared in a event once and you probably already know this, having 700h into the game but i'm gonna say it anyway. At the end of each update there's a "satisfaction" poll and people can send their concerns and issues to hoyoverse themselves. What I always do is ask them to at very least bring the dialogs from story events into the log so that you can have a little more context of who characters are, and I strongly advise you do so too. If enough people voice their concern hoyoverse might actually do something about it.
Still surprised after these years there are still people expecting the genshin development team to listen, they don't give a shit, if they did, the game would not be such waste of potential, and most importantly, waste of resources spent on the events that just go away and reappear in months, if only that went into actually improving the permanent stuff 🤷♂, like fixing bugs, which also most of the time takes 6 months (WTF?), if other companies took 6 months to fix a bug, they would get shit on. Anyway, they don't listen, unless you try to assasinate one of the CEOs
@@janvit2939 I mean the game definitely has issues but bruh do you even play other games? I come across a bug like once a year literally. Sure, there are bugs that are specific and you need to follow 10 steps to trigger them and get out of bounds but you won't come across them randomly plus they always get patched in the next update. seriously, I can't name a game that has less bugs than Hoyoverse game. whatcha smokin bruh. from every valid complain you pick the stupidest ones ps. they do add QoL stuff. But it's much harder to do them in a massive game than in a new one for example (like HSR), with how coding worse. One line can fuck up the whole game. You can complain about gacha sucking dick. complain about the pacing. complain about artifact rng and end game. But you choose bugs that are objectively basically non-existent lol
@@akwaMartyna people have been saying that genshin will improve the issues it has but I honestly don't believe it anymore since I would like more qol but damn it annoying when people keep saying the same thing over and over and also your example of coding so it could mess up everything but doubt it cause it seems hoyoverse knows how to code and one example I can give of qol is elden ring
Well, i think the problem is more people are just sending "they're satisfied with what they get" message through this survey or just straight up ignoring it (or it hoyo that's ignoring it).. I've done this survey for 2 years and never saw anything of my concerns being implemented... Ironically, i see some of the things i've complained being put in.. Honkai Star Rail instead.. what a joke..
@@akwaMartyna I do think the original comment has a point. Commissions like "Cliffhanger!" Were only patched a patch or two ago. *They were in and bugged since launch.* Keqing's C2 was just flat out bugged and didn't work. It was patched in December of last year. *That was in since launch too.* Another daily commission, Geo Travel Diary, if you choose three of the options separately, two of them get deleted from your inventory. That's a bug, and *it's been in the game since launch, and has yet to he patched.* Mona's C1, half of it doesn't work. The Freeze duration isn't extended at all. It's also bugged and *has yet to be patched.* Xinyan, the four star shielder? It's supposed to stack based on how many enemies you hit, but instead is bugged to be every OTHER enemy you hit. **That's been in since 1.1 and has yet to be fixed.** That's just five off the top of my head that I've encountered, and that's not even mentioning stuff that has workarounds but really shouldn't exist like the quest to turn off the rain in Inazuma being bugged so that you have to restart the game sometimes for it to actually work and progress. I get that you like the game, but honest criticism doesn't hurt.
11:07 Even if you got a 5-star character there is still a whole different level between Whale and f2p. Full con + fully refine weapon + bis relic with god stat 5 star character made the character feel totally different.
Just a friendly tip. Hu Tao's DPS without cancels (as in full normal attack combo) is on par with Diluc (for Vaporize teams that is, Diluc Melt is a different discussion). Hu Tao's DPS is optimal with cancels and it's mechanical reliance really helps boost performance if you dont have the best artifacts, but it doesnt mean you cant take a different approach on her combos. When I didnt have her first constellation (C1) I gravitated to doing 3-4 normal attacks + uncanceled charge attack and it was enough to fully star floor 12 (I also didnt have 4 piece crimson witch set artifacts and Yelan wasnt released back then). It certainly helped lower the amount of erratic positioning and mechanical difficulty of playing her. Not saying you should play her again immediately, but if you ever do revisit her, then you might enjoy her more with a different approach.
I'm so incredibly happy to see that i'm not the only one with the issue of artifacts, yesterday i got a crit damage circlet with some crit rate subs and ER % but my friend said it was 'mid' / copium, even tho i was really happy with it because it was the first high crit damage 5star i've gotten ( on a set i need for my character as well ) ! I told him he could atleast be happy for me, like jeesh it works for the moment!
I feel that, honestly people focus way to much on the "perfect" artifact when you can more than make good ones work wonders. I've been playing Genshin for 2.5 years now and for instance, an artifact with 20% atk and 10 crit rate is fantastic, people focus way to much on crit value and the perfect piece when you're just never finding the perfect artifact and it's fun to make due when what you have, and it's also fun that there's always somewhere to improve.
@MefoWho the issue is that all the artifacts i'm using now is mostly hp% / def% main stat and finally realising how artifacts work typically, i'm working on improving them slowly, i started playing in january and speed ran the quests so i have like an AR 35 inventory even tho i'm AR 54 at the moment, i don't even know how i made it so far but i think it's because nahida/raiden are carrying my team, haven't made it past floor 6 chamber 3 in abyss /yet/ so the first step for me is atleast stepping up my artifacts bit my bit, yes i know i can get the perfect piece *eventually* but for now that one crit circlet with attack, ER is better than a def % circlit that rolls into hp flat atk and def, instead of being negative he could atleast say ''copium, but works for now'' or something, it's annoying when everything i show him is constantly being responded to with ''mid''
@@twigz3214 exactly this, right now that one crit artifact is 10x better than most if not all the artifacts im using right now, i'm slowly working on artifacts but right now my priority is leveling my characters' talents / ascension because my characters and account / inventory is like AR 35 when my account itself is AR 54, started playing in january this year and didnt know any better
Same with the Dark Blade from Albedo quest, it saps some HP, but increases damage to insane meassures. Making it one of the most powerful relic weapons in the game... Removing immersion quickly.
I love Genshin as a whole, however if anything, the ideology of not able to do a quest or event because certain character(s) are locked in another quest felt rather irritating to my perspective. I get it it's for the sake of realism, however it bothers me sometime for instance; I wanted to do 3.6 Interdashan main event which involves many characters, however I couldn't start it because some characters were locked in another quest which took me about 3 hours in total to finish to even start the main event. I wish they allow characters to be available in multiple quests simultaneously without being locked in.
I love reading books, reading dialogue in genshin is not even remotely close because it constantly breaks this information up with little stupid tasks and you needing to say something when regardless of your choices nothing changes.
Artifacts and more powerful things don’t get you more stars in Spiral abyss. Sure it helps but still to reach the time limit you have to play *way* better. Better understanding of buff set ups, learning enemy patterns, and team rotations. Even with amazing artifacts and stats, some people still cant even get all stars with meta characters because they just suck. Speaking from a person that got 9 stars every floor for very long. People usually don’t care if you don’t beat the abyss without perfect stars. Getting all stars is the real challenge the community sees. And trust me trying to get stars in the abyss is not as easy as just beating it with no stars.
You’re not entirely wrong but you aren’t right either. The skills needed to do what Necrit did vs getting all stars are different. To get all stars you need to be good at rotations and buff setups and team building etc. but to finish abyss with crap artifacts and non-meta teams, you need to be good at dodging, knowing when to attack the enemy and when to back off etc. In my opinion, the latter is more of an engaging and fun challenge. While the former is just a dps check. Those just aren’t fun for me. For many meta teams you don’t even need to worry about dodging because either you have an OP shield, a freeze team, a team that staggers the enemies so much that they can’t attack, or you just have C6 R5 everyone and tank the damage because everything dies so fast.
I really agree with the event-locked core parts of the story! Like I keep telling my bf lore about this and he (a newbie at ar20) was like ‘???’ because he wasn’t there when it happened
Hey Necrit! I was wondering if you have any plans of covering the stories of both Genshin and Star Rail. Specifically Star Rail I have started because of your recent video and I am enjoying it very much. But even though I try to pay attention during the main story (and so far I am enjoying it), I have to say I can't be bothered to read every note I find, or every piece of dialogue in sidequests. Is there a chance you are gonna cover some of this in future videos, like you did with Champion Lore in the past? Lots of Love!
Completely agree man. Especially on the events being time-gated with essential plot details. That's why I decided to retell the whole story, including those events, on my channel. Lmao. Awesome video btw! Keep up the great vids!
While I normally agree with most of the things you say, you are waaay off the mark if you think artifacts are the only thing you are missing to get 36 stars on abyss. Abyss is as much a skill check and knowledge check as a dps check. Rotations, comps and resource management are key if you want to complete abyss as a f2p. I mean... the current record to 36* abyss is just 16 days (In a f2p account). In my opinion, minmaxing your teams using whatever you can get is the most fun part of the game.
great video and it kind of takes me back to when i started genshin a year ago. The problem is (and probably why u saw so much backseating with the highest degree on snob) in your chat was that the difference of DPS between 33 stars in abyss and 36 stars is the same amount of time sink (if not more if u are truly unlucky) as completing spiral abyss in general. Since its the only form of endgame content genshin has, the standards for artifacts and characters and weapons are really unneccasserily high because people want to avoid the quadruple gatcha balancing that is Artifacts, Character and weapon summoning AND the fickle mistress that is Fortuna who always makes me miss my Crits whenever i do a burst (80% chance my ass). in the end, yeah its easy to have fun in genshin but the fomo for characters and weapons is what pushes people into minmaxing for abyss, to get all the primos u can as a F2P, to not get caught in FOMO. Atleast it´s what i noticed in around one and a half year of playing this game. Hope u keep enjoying it and sharing ur opinion on it tho :D
Nice video! I think the main reason why they try so hard to explain everything in the story and then summarize it with Paimon, is because Genshin is very, very casual-oriented. I followed a bunch of anime communities in the past, and it was impressive how often people could miss some obvious points that were made even by well-written shows. I assume that it's a safer decision for the devs to get a wall of complaints like "they explain too much" than a wall of "they don't explain enough" (even if they actually explain well). Of course, this is just my personal view, but it's clear that the game aims to capture as wide of an audience as possible, so it has to play safe wherever possible.
I mean if someone is that ignorant or oblivious, that shouldn't be on the game to pander to. It just drags down everything. Star Rail so far has done this without a Paimon-like character, and it's been good. People are loving its story. You could argue it's because people now know they should be actually trying to pay attention, but I think it's also because it respects the players ability to pick things up during the story and cutscenes.
@@whaleborne1308 It depends on who your audience is. Genshin is aiming for a much, much wider net than either Honkai game. It is up to the game to be accessible as the devs want the game to be, and Genshin is designed to be excessively accessible. To preface, I personally prefer Star Rail's way of storytelling so far. That said, I have seen some folks who DON'T like Star Rail's style of storytelling and found its aggressive ramp-up confusing. That's OK. Not everyone is the same, not everyone parses stories the same way, and that's why HoYo has multiple games with different approaches.
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I will say right now that as someone at max AR, my one major flaw with Genshin is the fact that sometimes getting to play a certain character can feel like a major grind on Artefacts and Materials. For example, I pulled for Kaveh and Baizhu, and I got them, but now I feel like I'm not allowed to play them until theyre giga maxed because everything has so much HP and so much damage. It really is a minor problem, but as someone who just wants to see cool characters doing their thing, knowing there is not a single place I can safely play some of my characters is a bit sad. That being said, there are just a few minor things that may get fixed down the line, or will be fixed in some other ways. #1: Albedo isn't a standard banner 5 Star. (WE NEED GEO 5 STARS ON STANDARD PLEASE!) #2: All characters must be "nice". (So far Wanderer is the only non friendly character we have that is playable, but even still they went out of their way to sort of yassify him without doing much of the actual building back of trust.) #3: Physical and Geo just suck right now. (Most enemies have resistance to these two damage types, but atleast you can fight Eremites. Also Shatter sucks. Geo desperately needs new reactions instead of "get a shield" since you aren't playing Geo for the crystalize.) #4: Ningguang got shafted so hard why is every Geo character Defense scaling leaving Ningguang with no good supports or carry potential compared to even Noelle. 😭
you deserve a medal to at least prove you even had to spent 700 hours to show the game flaws that most of us veteran player already know but still not fixed or only made it worse with their " bug fix". good thing there are issue fixed but too bad you can count by finger in every 4-5 patchs. it's really funny how your chat just try to backseat you despide the game don't have to follow the "correct" order because in the game story and world building premise mostly don't have direct proper order and Teyvat probaly under a simulation rather and we still don't know how Teyvat really looks like. it seems it is true that the lore side of Genshin is rather too fanatical and rabid compare to metaslave where the toxic part of meta slave mostly comes from Hu Tao mains and the "specia" 4 star user mains side of the community and man I've seen the horrible stuff these part of the toxic player act and even attack other game playerbase. one of the few rare occasion I see veen for some reason many player even Genshin youtuber had to get backseat was the first GAA event before Inazuma Mural puzzle, the hint of the puzzles was so clear to notice and understand but apparently the mural picture is too hard to solve... like WHAT?! I have to disagree that to 3-9* floor 12 spiral abyss mostly just affected by the artifacts, your character talent lv, ascendtion and weapon is also really matter but from your perspective I really understand why you state it because man the rng is pretty much the worse, I remember it took me almost a month way back when Eula first -beta- banner in 1.5 for decent Pale flame set and one of the set is still not that great, there is many that is more unlucky than me and it took them 6 months for their target character.I already gave up bother it unless there is a new mechanic where we can at least change one of the substat and the mainstat till we get what we want or maybe limitbreak enchancement mechanic. I'm a veteran player 2nd day from their first launch, non-paid and what you said you can clear the game without spend real money is true however the time you have to sacrifice is immense and it could even took more than 700 hours, the 700 hours experience you spent is just the beginning but since you clear floor 12 and at least have 6 or 9 star from floor 9-11, you prove yourself have knowledge investmen in the game and that is also matter when it comes to get 3-9 star in floor 12. so in general your frist to 3 month play the game are mostly exploring, get some beginner artifact and just don't use some 4 star artifact like exile, instructor and beserker as fodder, lock those that have decent substats future young padawans. 3rd to 6th months for strenghtening your charactrer depends on your pace, then road played the game for a year where you pretty much hit the spot and road to endless insanity of 5* artifacts rng fest. this game is not that hard but it is so grindy and slow even whales will suffer the same issue only not that long unlike non-spender that need to have a patience of a sage. I don't want to make it too long post and I recommend you watch 'just some fat boi video' about how their world quest reward can be...really disapointing and how the game is more of being made by Tech Company than actual Game company which is true, even for a 2021 the video is still relevant with how this game are developing really really slow. If people expect any future Mihoyo game to be better in a span of 2 years, just give up and don't bother you already see how much Genshin develop in just 2 years and there is not much improve at all, side quest slowly become bunch of unnecessary texts and for 2 year+ the only new permanent content is not even an endgame content but just more boring and time consuming TCG permanent content that alot of player forgot it even exist plus lately they even try to make a limited event for it and you can even see the sheer desperation the dev want to see player bother with the minigame which too bad only last for one or two weeks then down the mariana trench again lmao. I don't even want to fully detail mention how toxic this game community is and how if you know more of the game the community rather punish you just like what happen to Jinx Turner and I can already see that in the comment section pretend the wenut SA as "far" and those who basicaly said "it will get better in version x.x" that can be it's own topic because there something disturbing with these cult, the parasocial and even rather mad over a red defeat colour in TCG because it's "too" negative for them ignoring that at least they can experience how luck still matter even in the most "anti-rng" deck setup. oh I forgot to mention the game have so muich potential and visualy and art wise they are pretty good but well what you get for 2 years? the answer is up to you.
Genshin Impact would be much better pace, if they can just remove Paimon out of the game. And then the story would feel the same, but better engagement rate
You gave The Catch as an example of "people being wrong when trying to backseat," but it was a bad example. It DOES take at least 2 weeks to get The Catch, assuming you're starting from 0 fish. But you had clearly already done a LOT of fishing, so you were able to just buy most of the mats right then and there.
I feel like beating Spiral Abyss comes down to perspective. Because although it's great you beat it with your teams. Getting all 3 stars is primarily what people go for because that's the bar the game has set and that's what gets you the full amount of primogems. To me personally, that's what beating the 12th floor is (not to take away from your own victory of beating it in general). It's a huge DPS check that artifacts alone can't be enough to carry you if you're going for 3 stars. There are a few factors, like knowing the enemies you'll face, their weaknesses and the comps to build against them. Or just having an absolutely whaled account.
might be an unpopular opinion, but I actually prefer rolling on the weapons banner to character banner lol (yes, I'm F2P) There's something so amazingly satisfying to me to see my Hu Tao, Eula, Raiden Shogun and Yoimiya equipped with their BIS, it feels like my character is finished then and I love the feeling (obviously a lot of people don't feel this way, which is fine too, just wanted to give my opinion on it even though nobody asked lol)
hahahahaha the end was perfect. Tho 1 correction: sometimes beating abyss with 3* in each floor is not so much about artefacts but about teams, or saving up energy. I have been playing since release, and in this current abyss, I can mainly finish it with around 7-8 stars. I have to alter my teams, for the first time I ........ I........... I stopped playing Childe Xiangling Suckrose Xingqiu. In order to 36* comfortably (without having to play floor 1 perfectly or reset for 5 hours+)
A 3* clear is 3 minutes. A 0* clear with almost the full 9 minutes utilized is ~3x the time. Which means your dps output is just above 1/3rd of what is needed for a full clear. The artifacts on diluc were perfectly fine. Not all pieces were loaded with CR CD, but you had plenty of atk% and many good EM rolls on several pieces. Farming crimson witch for another year is going to give you a diluc with maybe 10% more damage with hyper optimal subs. Your twitch chat needs to cool it with the mid accusations (though thats more a result of the nature of a fast scrolling twitch chat desparate for attention id say) Artifact substats arent some sort of infinite trove of treasures from which damage just flows out endlessly the more you farm. Across 5 pieces you get 40-45 substats in total. And no more. The limit of reaching a perfect 45 substats gets harder with every little bit of progress you make. The whole experience is best described as asymptotic progression. The point I want to make is that your statement at the end of "the gap from 0*s to 3* all comes down to getting better luck on artifacts" is blatantly untrue. A hypothetical run where your same teams had all perfect +20 artifacts wouldve maybe gotten you a clear with 30s remaining on the clock. The other 5 1/2 minute gap comes from a lack of understanding of the more detailed mechanics of the game, which leads to an inability to build teams that synergize with each other properly, both wrt reactions and rotation matching. Compounded with the resource crunch of needing to spread resources over 8 units to build, on top of that the wenut and later abyss cycles being an absolute pain in the ass to clear fast cause of stalling mechanics. The good news is, almost none of that is your fault. I mention detailed mechanics, but the game puts in 0 effort into explaining what they are. Theyre content with saying "try putting hydro and pyro for big damage" and letting you figure the rest out. Which is good for hoyo cause you know, lack of knowledge means players are inclined to use money to make up the difference. You need to seek it out yourself, fortunately they are easy enough to find detailed guides on. Specifically about rotations, application ICDs and gauge theory. As a practical example of gauge theory at work, look at the wenut footage in this video. Look at the aura on the wenuts health bar as you attack it with a yelan ult + diluc on field. Observe how the aura always stays only pyro. Now redo the same chamber with yelan and xingqiu swapped between those teams. You'll find that diluc is able to consistently vape a lot more. The resource crunch of raising multiple units is part of why tier lists exist. As cringe as they are, most of them do give a decent idea of what units would be worth investing your time limited resources into to get returns. Or you could just pick favorites / be a rebel and end up with 0 star clears. Its a shame that theres no real way to experiment building units cause everything costs so much resin. That being said, tier lists are at best a semi reliable guide post and definitely not anything close to a proper ranking of units, ditto for anyone throwing around usage statistics. Why am I writing all of this, probably only to be lost in the new comments section never to be seen. Probably cause the rest of your evaluation of the game from story to writing and exploration are on point. Youre able to discern the good and bad of what this game offers with fair and proper judgement. So when I heard the "artifacts are why im at 0 stars" argument that i've heard countless times from several parts of the playerbase that love to scapegoat artifacts for their lack of game knowledge and skill, just irked me I guess. In any case, thanks for the great video.
After the BLOOD-DRAINING Inazuma Quests... I'm too scared to even begin the SUMERU ones... I heard they're even longer... I can't... I'll skip to Fontaine 😂💀
True, but also, the abys gets harder and harder over time. I remember 36 starring the 1.2 abys with a team that was around the power level of his one if not even worse.
@@pontoancora I beat abyss f12 at AR 25 and yes, it's pay to win and it will likely continue to be so as they design the highest floors with the newest banner characters in mind.
Genshin's artifact system is the worst part of it I swear. You need 5 per character and characters come out faster than you can farm decent artifacts. And even if you could theoretically get decent artifacts in a reasonable amount of time before you pull your next character and you had enough resin to get the level up mats as well... the process is just so miserable that I don't want to. I know that odds are I could equip all the characters I want with workable relics if I put in the time, but the process just sucks too much with no clear end point and it just feels bad. Even with the damn weapon banner I know that at the absolute very least with the worst luck imaginable that if I did 240 pulls, I'd finally get what I want. Somehow artifacts are worse than that.
To be honest, it's not only artifacts you need to 9*, because these comps would hit a threshhold of dmg at some point even with godly ones. But you most definitely don't have to force yourself to play Hu Tao.
exactly! but a lot of these issues are not noticed because most of their player base are 8-12 year olds.... so all you hear is just high praise. tho for me the journey to becoming strong enough to consistently defeat Abyss 12 with 9 stars was the best part I had with the game, then it just dropped off after that, I had no more goals, no reason to gather materials, build and min max characters, Abyss difficulty plateaus, even after 3 years, it still the same, mihoyo refuses to add any end-game content so there's no reason to build your characters stronger, even though their elemental combat was one of the best things in the game, the game has many things that are really good but the elemental combat system was one of the few things they executed really well, they rest where really good concepts but are executed not poorly but not so good, but mihoyo refuses to lean on their best aspects of the game..
For the story consumption part, it's more so the issue of a lot of the side-stories of characters being optional, so what ended up happening was that Necrit was going through the main story only and when there was an AR requirement for the next one while doing future events he had to return to 'the past' sort of speak to catch up on character quests, which for people who played in chronological order it felt like he was rushing even though he in fact was not. The game simply does not force character stories upon players, but those stories are needed for context which is why Necrit was in perpetual confusion. Also, there are three types of artifacts according to players(not two): 'Perfect', 'Mid' and 'Trash'. Mid is good, but people don't like mediocre things or being mediocre simply because it can be better. This is a human perspective issue in general and not special to Genshin. To most if it's not top of the line, no one cares about it, be it about a person an event or an object, thus 'Mid'.
No, they are not needed for context. The ones that have necessary context are actually required. For example, people kept getting upset that he hadn't done Zhongli's SQs when they provide little context for the other stories currently in the game despite being good. If he's confused because he did something "out of order", then when he does it that confusion will still be cleared. There is no "correct" order to play it, it's really tiring seeing so many chatters try to convince new players to do things in chronological release order
@@annaairahala9462 he quickstart windblume event. The game even told him which story quests are needed to fully enjoy the event. And yet he was mad when didnt know who albedo was when he was introduced in the event.
@@armansyahdeni If that's true, he really has no reason to complain about Chat. Because if this is true, then they were probably just telling him not to ignore the game and he ignored the game anyway then got mad. Like, I'm sorry, you don't get get to be pissed off at something like that when the game outright tells you the order you should do things and you just outright ignore the game and do things out of order. To quote a famous wise man, "You Have Done That Yourself."
As someone who watched all Necrit's Genshin stream, I want to points out few things. 1. Him being F2P is basically a running joke in the chat. As he said, some viewers actually gift him welkin and genesis crystal, and he uses those for his pulls. If he was truly F2P, he won't have enough to get the Beacon's claymore because he got the polearm twice. 2. When he said he get Hutao + Yelan in 20 pulls, technically, it's not correct. He did some pulls in Alhaitham's banner before, so his pity is already pretty high at this points. 3. Most people actually believe that clearing Abyss with "bad" characters is very possible. Some people even suggest Candance because hydro infusion + XL is actually very good, which is the one he used. So I'm not sure why he said that people don't believe he will not clear abyss without Hu Tao. 4. In defense of chat backseating, honestly, a lot of them are trying to help. And sometimes being helpful can get into this grey area. Is trying to help and give tips actually count as backseating? But still, Necrit clearing Abyss with barely built characters is very impressive. And that was during the Wenut Abyss too, which is probably the worst Abyss rotation in a while. His skill is real, and if he has better built characters, 36* Abyss will be easy for him.
I couldn't help but notice that he doesn't have the first-time top-up bonus for the $50 or $100 bundles, so gifts from chat would make sense I guess. That also definitely explained how he was able to go to pity 3 times on a weapon banner, cuz that's definitely not something a F2P player could do without saving for a long time
Thanks for clarifying this. Most primogems come from dailys and events, both time-gated. It takes a lot of days to collect enough for 3 times pity. Imagine he wouldn't have gotten the claymore (cause pity on weapon banner doesnt carry over - thats the reason why its called scam). It would have been the real F2P experience.
Yup, i watch his stream too. Necrit is actually pretty darn good, on his management of Artifacts and Talents for Char. Chat says that 'You need to read the skills effect and etc' and mad that Necrit doesn't understand the skills the char that he got. But i think its discret Necrit too much, yeah in Streams he jokingly troll the chat and makes them irritate. But when the Catch troll came out, i think Necrits know what he is doing all this time behind the streams. And yeah Backseating is something, but thats not new at this point, many streamers have experience that i can fully agree with Necrit sentiments. But, still there is some that trully passionate and try to help him, but he's right that it will falls under gray area when he can't distinguished who is helping, trolling or out of spite. But nonetheless GG for Necrits clearing Abyss thats impressive feat. And remember F2P 'can' Finish up the Abyss. But i'm not certain if its Full stars abyss because that timegate.
Honestly, i do agree with nearly everything you said. - Black screens should be considered Crime against Story telling. - You can skip 80% of dialog and still understand everything. - Aranara quest was Hideous. Did they really hoped me to read all that Alien language? C mon - Most Main story quests suffer from pacing. - Character Stories are SUPER Boring. You have lawyer, Tax officer, Dude who talks with rocks, Alchemy, Yae started good, later you find out you got on Writing competition or whatever, Eula has tragic story, but your quest is how to learn to dance. - Story based on characters always gonna end up like this, where they HAVE to shoehorn in some 5 star characters into the story. Honkai impact did it better since it's character based on story, not story based on characters. My Personal issues: - Combat is NOT that great when you think about it. All it does, it's focusing to much on elemental reactions. Which means, as long as you have certain elements, you see big numbers. I WANT FLASHY ULTIMATES. God coming down from the sky, Raiden raiding a dragon or some sh*t. When Raiden Shogun Boss came out, i thought "YES, finally we'll get a character which ACTUALLY FEELS LIKE 5 STAR" nah, all you get is tazer on a fishing stick. Crazily enough, That would be totally in Honkai impact 3rd, and it's like 5 year old, and they have Raiden Mei which rides a Dragon. Honkai Star rail have that, Why Genshin can't? On the same note, Ults with animations sucks. It's cool first 5 times, then... That's why Rosalya is one of the best characters in the game. Nearly none of the characters FEELS like 5 star. Newest character? Awful he does absolutely nothing. - Abyss is a dogsh*t I dont see how people can have fun with that. EVERYTHING is made just to waste your time. Is it hard? NO. Is there incentive to achieve best team for that fight? NO. Since you have to go through same 2 chambers again to to get to 3rd for whatever reason. WHY? It's baffling how that never got reworked. While Honkai impact Abyss got reworked like 10 times. And it is, more fun. - Why limit Serenita pot building? WHY? Let people go crazy at it, let them build whatever they want ffs + What this game does VERY WELL is Exploration. That's the main reason i still play it. And sometimes comes out character i like design of. i have 30k gems as a f2p still waiting for next character i'll like. I just like run around, get some farming, visit a pot or something. I did delete this game like 10 times already. Still returning for whatever reason
about the events having lore, man.. the only way for the events to not feel "filler" is by including some semblance of cannon storytelling. I'd go as far as to say that it doesn't have enough lore as it is. Now of course, it sucks that future players will not be able to experience them (Albedo's events, Mona's event, the archipelagos) but I believe that's a necessary tradeoff to keep the current playerbase interested. The story related events are seriously the best. That being said, It would be so nice to include these stories as short videos that summarize everything that happened but I dont know.
a lot of other games have a "time machine" feature where you can go back and experience the story from the events and get whatever exclusive characters or items you could get - wish genshin did the same (especially as albedo's signature weapon was from an event)
@@veonoev name this games, and they must be both on phones + Pc and not been simple mobile games where you play as PNG and the story is typical novel. Genshin is open world rpg with 3d models, all big events are modifire your world, and it will take more server capacity to be always here. Sorry but its just simply waste of resources, especially because tons of people dont even care about this events.
Genshin Impact story it's just spamming space bar to teleport to the next dialogue place and spam space bar again over 2 hours of boring n pain. And the late game content it's not playing the main game but instead mini cellphone games
12:42 this is very important: don't pull a character because people tell you it's strong, pull it because you like them. You can try the gameplay of every character while their banner is up by going in the "trials" in the event tab. Use it.
Yes i agree, for me its useless if the character maybe the strongest dps but your self can't deal with the gameplay....or its not your playstyle ...right, thats why there's trial for the character so you can test that character it suit your style or not
Artifacts have 5 layers of RNG:
1- Being on the set you want
2- Being the piece you want
3- Having a good main stat
4- Having good sub stats
5- Praying it upgrades your good substats instead of dumping everything into def
You can only farm 8 per day, repeat 40 times for all your characters.
6- You have to hope for high rolls on those substats. 4 bad low rolls are worth as much as 3 good high rolls.
2.7% Crit Rate X 4 = 10.8% Crit Rate
3.9% Crit Rate X 3 = 11.7% Crit Rate
7. Starting with 4 substats instead of 3
Biggest reason why I stopped playing this game after I reached the end of the content at the time, this is just ridiculous. Different sets also spawn in certain days of the week unless they decided to remove this tedious dumpsterfire anti-feature.
@@DarkShadow8754 that's only for talents. Artifact sets are available everyday.
This + same events + going to inazuma first time realizing i have to do the same open world things made me quit the game without a second thought
I'm so glad you called out the community about doing things "out of order". It's honestly infuriating at this point because I watch so many new players and the chat ends up confusing them more than the game itself. It's understandable since people who have a positive experience naturally have trouble understanding people can have the same positive experience using a different method, but it still frustrates me to no end seeing all the pointless confusion pushed on new players
I think it's mainly because many people are playing this game for a long time and each update is adding new content that has some follow ups of old content. And it does result in some minor Easter eggs or story bits being fed in the wrong order. Like, the world quest in Liyue foreshadowing the existence of Azhdaha is quite pointless after you did the Zhongli story quest 2.
But even though people's reactions make sense, it still doesn't make it acceptable behaviour
@@newbie4789 It's like getting upset at someone who started watching star wars after having watched the mandalorian
Many members of the community are well meaning in the help and "help" they try to provide, but way too many of them also manage to come off as try-hards that couldn't hack it in any other game.
The game is pretty mid, but honestly, the community turned me off of it worse than hitting that point where another newly released character I knew I would bench just didn't do it for me anymore. Any morsel of "wrong" advice to a newbie or criticism towards the game had a legion of insufferable white knights descend on me like they'd actually get to bang Yae Miko if I conceded to their genius.
Maybe this makes me a "fake fan" or whatever in the eyes of these types of players, but I skipped through a lot of dialogue for all the regions until Sumeru and didn't really care about reading the lore stuff like Book of Sun and Moon, cos I'm just not interested in doing that. I play Genshin cos I like the combat system, environments, art direction and music. Everyone has different things they prioritize in the experience, I can only imagine how annoying it must be to have people backseating you about enjoying the game "wrong" lol
Also I'm kinda surprised his problem with artifacts was backseating twitch chatters instead of the insane RNG tied to the system lol. Him beating floor 12 with a scuffed team and unlevelled artis is insane to me lol
@@bobjones2959 I would say that you're a fake fan, yes. The game definitely has its fair share of problems (it's objectively mid), but the story is a core part of the experience, as the developers put a lot of time and effort into the story and they want players to experience it (the story is the main part of the game, including the world quests). If you're not playing the game for the story, and you're not playing the game for the exploration either (which is the second major part of the experience), then you obviously don't like the core experience of the game, which means that you aren't actually a fan of it. Saying that you're a fan of Genshin Impact when you're not even there for the what the game primarily offers its customers is like saying that someone is a Final Fantasy fan when they're only there for the story and don't care about or even actively despise the gameplay, or like saying that a KH2 fan is a fan of Action RPGs when they think stat management and buildcraft in those types of games, especially at Level 1, is inherently unenjoyable.
By definition, being a fan of something means that you enjoy the core of what a given piece of art/media offers. You can certainly enjoy the combat system, environments, art direction and music, that's perfectly fine, but if you're only playing the game for those parts and aren't playing it for the story, characters and exploration, you're not a fan of Genshin Impact, you just have a few broad preferences that the game scratches the itch of just enough to make you want to play it, even though you otherwise dislike the game. To be a Genshin Impact fan, you have to be there for _Genshin Impact,_ not for yourself.
Someone probably said that already, but Yoimya's part in Archon Quest IS her Story Quest, but for some reason it had to be pushed inside the Archon Quest. Same with Ayaka's. I have no idea why they did it that way and i agree that they made early Inazuma arc drag for a while, even though both Yoimiya and Ayaka are nice characters.
For Yoimya quest i understand because timeline is connected to main quest but had no idea for Ayaka quest. Country being lock down is not relevant at all in that if I remember correctly.
@@naungyoe3215 Ayaka had a banner, that's why 💀
Because when 2.0 released, we had soooo little story content, that they artificially inflated the length of it by making Ayakas and Yoyas storys mandatory. Those both take up almost the same time as the main story of the patch.
Well, it would be weird walk with Ayaka in Inazuma City when you are a CRIMINAL. I think mihoyo took in consideration that in act 2 of the inazuma archon quest you become a criminal after fighting raiden. However I think in a player perspective it wasn't a good idea.
@@naungyoe3215 Even better, her Upcoming 3.7 Act II Quest is about traveling to other nations since the Sakoku Decree got abolished
One thing I appreciated the most about this video is Necrit did not let anyone ruin is experience of the game. I am glad you had a blast while experiencing Genshin, Necrit.
Edit: Also pretty funny (kinda accurate) that most of the flaw is the community deciding how you should play lol
Yep the worst thing about genshin? The community for sure
Absolutely. The level of sarcasm in most of this video is amazing. He's voicing the issues the haters always bring up on an account of his that's f2p, got a 5* on his first pull, both limited 5*s on their banner run without losing 50/50, they were Hu Tao and Yelan, then he got 3 limited 5* weapons back to back also not losing 50/50. I was laughing so much towards the end when the veil dropped and he revealed that his real gripe with the game was the meta community lol
@@InotiaKing lol same here! I was cracking up towards the end.
There are some amazing people in the Genshin community but at the same time there are some not so very amazing ones and they happen to be quite loud at the same time.
I'm really happy Necrit saw past that
Yeah its ridiculous how the community will get mad over you not wanting to use some boring tech to get a bit more dmg. He probably would have enjoyed using hu tao if the community didn't tell him that he has to use the tech.
The reason the Chasm was so good was because it was the one time the game forced you to play the sidequests in the right order at the right time.
For better or worse, Inazuma's charm isn't in the main story, it's in the sidequests. "Show don't tell" is a lot more common there.
Tbh if you force yourself to do this for most regions the story/world is actually insane lol I started playing about 3-4 months ago not even thinking about the spiral abyss (I still haven’t beat it😂)I basically just played in a way that allowed me to progress the story and when I finished Sumeru about a month ago I was floored …I hadn’t enjoyed a games story that much in a long time
Man, I enjoyed the Xavier side quest more than Inazuma's main one.
That tells a lot.
And Enka, it's a hassle to go there but the lore you get? Incredible
@@Jiromint ill never forget how i felt when i did Enka, one of my best memories in gaming. And the music there omg
If you do the intoductory quest an then explore an some world queats an then do more main story, inuzami makes alot of sense.
Matter of fact the game itself is hinting at us in various ways that this is what is recommended, play wise.
Weather it be through main story quest mentioning the island being split so you sould be careful if you visit there or the different world quests requrring you to do 3 different things to fix a island, repeadlty, on various islands, 2.0 litterly lanuching with 3 islands, hint hint, or how the uograde system for the statues works in relation to the traveler an his skills for that regions element an how he, or she, always has to do some sort of big story bssed fight as the traveler.
The games always incouraged this type of overall mix of story/exploration/story/exploration/story since the beginning of the game.
The only really big change is interlude in this regard. Well that an a few smaller things. Not inportant though.
An all interlude really dors is present a smaller scale of the overall games story an exploration suggested playstyle.
Me personally i spend way to much time just expkoring lol 😅 an not enough of the storys i could do lol 😂
I need more time in the day lol 😅😅
@@Splatz007 Yep you're right. But playing it as a new player now it's not obvious - the Chasm Archon Quest is locked behind starting the world quest, but there's nothing in the game telling you to go explore Tsurumi after Raiden's two quests, or to go down into Enkanomiya after Tsurumi.
The game has a specific pacing with content releases, but once released the game isn't interested in handholding you... Genshin could really use a sort of in-game quest roadmap.
Inazuma's lore and worldbuilding really is beautiful. Raiden's story has nothing on Ruu and Kazari, and I'm still attached to Neko, Enjo and Aberaku... I'm glad they figured out a more accessible way to present it for Sumeru though.
When I played Genshin, I got Beidou very early so I made her my carry. Everyone told me she was garbage, but I just found her so fun to play. I relate to you.
I also made Beidou my carry. She's great. Community opinions on characters is something to avoid. I hate Hu tao's gameplay so I benched her, and ditto for Emo jump boy and quite a few others (anyone small apart from Nahida) I'd rather enjoy my characters even if it means losing out on some primos.
@@threethymes She so fun!!!! I just run around screaming “HIT ME! HIT ME HARDER!!”
For me, it was Dori. I really liked her character and accidentally got her to C5 lol. I have both Kuki and Dori and even though my Kuki is far more stacked, I play Dori a lot more and is actually one of my better supports. 😂 Far better than my Bennett or XQ. My XQ is not levelled because I find his gameplay boring without a sac sword. I try to get the billets but I just cant get the sword one. Meanwhile I have an R4 Sac Greatsword for my Dori which absolutely fixes her issues and I just love it!
@@reverie4384 I love dori she's so fun to use
@@reverie4384 I run Fav Sword on my XQ. I don't see the need for Sac's Ability unless you plan to run him as the Main DPS. Of course, I lucked out and got ridunkulous ER on him. And my Artifacts are kinda trash. His ER might end up lower by the time I'm finished with him, but I still don't see myself using Sac Sword with him. Besides, I think Fav Sword fits his aesthetic and sword style better. 😁
Also, Sac Sword is a Gacha Sword, not a Crafted Sword.
Also, also, I find Bennet a bit overrated in the community. I don't use him unless I have to. And by that, I mean if I have to have a Pyro Healer as he is, quite literally, the only Pyro Healer in the game right now. Most of the time I run into that situation is in Co-Op and I'm forced to play Healer. It's actually kinda funny. Of all the Healers in the game, Bennett is the one I like to play the least. Ok maybe Dori is the least, but to be fair I haven't really played her. Her kit just doesn't appeal to me. I didn't even get her off her banner, lol. I just got her randomly because 4-Star. But yeah, I don't like the fact that Bennett's healing stops once you crest 70% HP and I don't find his ATK Buff all that useful because I find I do more than enough damage without it. And I don't really play Spiral Abyss so it's not like I'm really needing near Damage Showcase numbers. Even then, I'm fairly certain you don't ever need Bennett to 36 Star the Spiral Abyss. It's really too bad I find him so overrated and not fun to play because I really love his character.
So glad someone could start reviewing this with pointing out the awfully stretched out fillers in a story fllled with some really great parts.
Like yeah I get it because it was released in parts and they wanted content but Yomiyas quest is a bit forced in.
ngl i've never once experienced a single 'great part' personally, and I've played all the way through till end of Sumeru Archon. frankly my fave was Enkanomiya bc it was near non existent and the area looked cool and ominous. the only reason I played Sumeru was bc I was sure they couldn't flunk again, but no it was lightly better but still a confused, stop and start mess
@@18andcloudy their story is really convoluted and complex sometimes, unless you’ve read a lot and played a lot of games before, it can feel tiring
Which is why the beginning of the game is locked behind levels, so that new players actually take the time to learn and understand the world
Yet like Necrit said, they stretch a lot of text needlessly
Maybe because the game is supposed to be played for 3 years, not rushed in two-three month.
@@spieuer8942 I’m absolutely 100% sure that is not the case
"My Dendro Traveler is in a wheel chair"
Necrit really did raise his middle finger to the game 😂😂😂
regigigas gaming
That was more to himself
I still remember back in version... 1.1 ? There was an event in which scaramouche appeared for the first time... in a limited time event...
One time they did turn an event quest into a world quest which was an awesome solution. But they really should've done that to all the event quests and just give us like 60 primos for completing those.
Unreconciled Stars.
The best event with the second best Co-op 'Fallen Star'.
The best co-ops is when we have to fight bosses, like in 'Automaton Front' or 'Frostborn Miracle'.
It's soo annoying. But how do they add these back without making it feel like not playing the events on release is absolutely fine?
And an even bigger issue will be the issue of memory in the phone. The game is having huge struggle keeping the file size low and a big contributing factor is the event files being deletable. I doubt they will change it.
@@newbie4789 they could get around storage by only adding events that are very important to lore with a 60 primo reward for completing it like a story quest would give and events that give a weapon could just give the weapon fully refined automatically. This way storage is saved and players still have a reason to do the quest when it releases for more primos and newer players wont miss out on weapons like cinnabar spindle.
For the artifact part: Most people in the community have no idea what an actually good artifact is, they got thrilled into thinking only crit is good and nothing else.
The diluc goblet is the best example
It is a great artifact with a ton of atk which diluc really wants and good crit damage rolls
"only crit is good and nothing else.". Dendro wants to know your location.
Fr, elemental mastery is the new meta, and energy recharge is extremely important for characters reliant on their burst
Depends on your build, with WGS EM Sands is the go to on Diluc, the crit dmg headpiece he has is actually not bad considering Diluc ascends C.Rate and Dehya's Sword also has 33% of it
very very true, I used to watch streamers during the pandemic years and oh god WAS IT THE MOST TRIGGERING THING
especially that I really like Genshin meta. ppl would see an artifact with 2 crit rolls only, yeah, but all the rest went to EM&ER on Xiangling and say it's trash
💀
@@Dark_player-xq1te isnt WGs quite a bit behind redhorn and beacon by now, especially if you use bennet?
u dont beat genshin... u just wait for it.
he do the arahana quest right ????
"or if you have albedo you can just put his flower down, use it as an elevator!"
@@foxshoot3138 Aranara*
nah i stopped waiting about a year ago
@@foxshoot3138 He doesnt finish it yet. He doesnt unlocked the old aranara home yet
Necrit's genshin content is some of my favorite stuff to come out of this game in a long time, looking forward to more!
Absolutely love reliving the point of starting out fresh into Genshin. Coomin at every lil thing. Then the dread as he realizes the gameplay loop and endgame of Genshin, where meta slaves crawls out of the darkness to tell you how to play the game. And finally the bold choice to go against the meta to spite them, which in the process cripples him and kinda broke his challenge as he became a "secondhand spender".
@@ThatsPrettyFunnyManGenshin has an absolutely amazing early game, where the world feels expansive and everything is fresh. But honestly, as someone who still likes the game a lot, endgame leaves a lot to be desired. The world stops feeling expansive and starts feeling empty once you've looted all the chests and done the one-time puzzles, and the gameplay loop starts feeling really repetitive. The art direction, environments, music and atmosphere are enough to keep me coming back, but it does get kinda boring at times.
It's lovely to watch you play on twitch, you always have a unique perspective and it's very refreshing to see 😊
congrats on the abyss run! The artifact part is really funny because Ive seen that discussion and it is the true spiral abyss, no winners just pain.
Cant believe im stuck for 3 years of perpetual state "beating the game"
4:24 I don't know if any of you noticed this, but IT IS Yoimiya's character quest! 😂 Hoyo just required it to be done before you can proceed to the main/archon quest. There were two character quest in between the archon quest before you could proceed. First was Ayaka's, and Yoimiya's. The difference is that, they never required a key. Which is why we're getting a part 2 of Yoimiya's for the upcoming patch in the first place. 😂
It was due to how short Act 2 ( the rushed story develope, rumour said due to original writer exodus ) archon quest so they try to stretch player time by require Yoi and Ayaka quest.
he was frustrated that he had to do it before finishing the archon's quest, it absolutely kills the pace and hype, especially since Yoimiya's quest is honestly one of the worst ones of the game, where you don't even see her that often.
@@lasody1766 i fully agree, that quest was entirely out of place regarding the context.
I think most of the ppl in chat who say mid to artifact rolls have consumed so much whale content that they think any good artifact is mid
It's more due to where we are at the game since you can't whale for artis. Half of my teams are now running on 35-40cv stuff so if I see something around 20cv for me ofc its gonnna be mid and not for a person running 10-15cv stuff.
or the term "mid" was popularize and overused because of the internet so ppl just use the word for the sake of it
I watched his stream when he was complaining about it and the thing was, his artifacts that he said were good...were not good at all. He didn't have a good grasp on what stats individual characters wanted, so he was calling artifacts that didn't fit the character very well "good".
The thing is, if you watch the stream, the artifact that he showed are actually bad.
This combine with Chat jokingly like to say the word MID. Most of the time, chat just say Mid because Necrit said " don't say it's Mid"
You know, when the streamer said don't do something, the chat will do it to troll the streamer. Most of it are ironic.
@@jasonho2890 expecting someone who is new to the game to completely understand what good artifacts are is quite stupid imo. You can justify people acting like a dick all you want but those people are assholes, you know it.
This is like a sober version of maxor's summary of genshin
As a long time Necrit fan from his League content, and now frequent watcher of his Genshin streams, I've honestly been feeling kind of burnt by his recent story and archon quest streams. I'm thankful to him for having made that really amazing and thorough 50 minute Genshin first impressions/review video that turned lots of heads and got lots more people to give the game a chance. But when it comes to Necrit himself, it truly feels like he has absolutely no respect for the storytelling and lore of this game.
It's such a gratifying experience to watch someone who has misinformed/negative preconceived notions about the game have all of those thoughts crumble before them as they play Genshin and realize they are genuinely enjoying their time playing and thoroughly immersing themselves in the rich and beautiful world, lore, music, and just sheer artistry of the game. And the first few streams when he was brand new actually genuinely were like this! But Necrit's more recent story streams hardly provide that experience anymore for the Genshin audience he cultivated that tripled his viewership from his TFT days. From his constant bickering and talking over dialogue to make flippant and dismissive predictions of what’s going to happen instead of just... listening to the story, to his frequent misinterpretation and confusion about the most basic of lore and story plots that have been presented to him in the main story (not even hidden or deep lore that he has to go out of his way to find, actual main story stuff that is directly stated). It's quite an exhausting experience.
It feels like there's only been two times he's ever actually been invested/paying attention to the story, once during the end of the Inazuma archon quest, and once during the beginning of the Sumeru archon quest. Almost every other time during story quests, world quests, or other lore heavy moments, it's like he's not paying attention at all. As a result he constantly misses key points in the dialogue that were said a sentence or two ago, or seems to “forget” things he literally just heard. He also for some reason refuses to learn how certain names in the game are pronounced? It’s one thing to come up with cute or endearing nicknames for characters, but it feels different when it seems like willful ignorance or outright refusal to learn, even when it’s read aloud in dialogue. It’s genuinely hard to tell sometimes if he actually even knows the names of important characters and just says them wrong as a joke, or if he just sees a foreign name and instantly dubs it the first thing that comes to mind without even trying, but I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt since he is dyslexic. Feels like that’s all the more reason for him to take the time to make sure he understands things thoroughly though, because all that does is further distance himself from the lore and increase his detachment from everything. And don't even get me started on his insistence to "break" the game by glitching out of domains or climbing through invisible walls with geo traveler. Look, I get it, he's a game developer too so he wants to see how they coded or modeled the walls by seeing if he can glitch out. And because he feels like he "can" break the game, he "has to". It truly just feels disrespectful, not even towards the developers but to the viewing audience, who have to sit there and watch him try time and time again to break the game in unintended ways instead of experiencing the story normally. Well, I guess they don't have to, they can just stop watching if they don't like it, but that's not really an ideal situation for him or the viewers really.
I personally want to watch Necrit having a good experience playing Genshin, which he claims he is, and that's great! I'm glad he's having fun and enjoying one of my favorite games as well in his own way. But my God is it frustrating for actual lore enthusiasts and story enjoyers who expected the self-proclaimed "Lorewalker" to give this game's lore a little bit more of a fair shake. When his streams are titled with variations of “exploring lore”, it kind of gives off the impression of “lore guy does Genshin”, but it doesn’t feel as though Necrit brings a critical lore eye to the game at all. And he doesn’t have to, of course, it’s just misleading and frustrating as a viewer. That's why I was honestly floored by one of Zepla's past videos where she talked about how amazed she was by Sumeru's writing quality and her subsequent Genshin streams. She displayed such an incredible grasp and understanding of not just the lore and story but its symbolism and allegory that I expected Necrit to have, but he just simply doesn't. Frankly, his lore knowledge is absolutely dismal for someone who has played 700 hours and "beat" the game. At first, Necrit's streams had me convinced that not reading the lore books and digging deep to see how much care and detail is put into pretty much everything was a huge detriment to understanding and appreciating the story fully, because he was constantly missing key details, having things go over his head, and assuming things that weren't there or simply false. And then Zepla taught me that you can truly understand and appreciate a large chunk of the story effectively without doing any of that, you literally just need to pay attention and not be so dismissive. You could truly tell how much investment she had in everything from the way she was internalizing every detail and connecting it all together to see the big picture. A little bit of suspension of disbelief goes a long way, but it also helps when you get emotionally invested in the characters and story itself as much as she has, which can really only be done if you're actually paying attention.
I know I'm not the only one who feels this way too, as I've seen lots of other people vent their frustrations about Necrit's approach to Genshin in both his and Zepla's discords and even reddit. I don't expect him to become a super Genshin deep lore streamer/youtuber like the likes of Ashikai, IslandXD, Chill With Aster, KlemenTime, etc. That was never his intention in the first place and that's fine, he’s just here for the memes and to see what the game’s all about. To him it's just a casual fun game to spend some time on. I just wish that as someone who knows how good lore from games like League can get, he'd come at Genshin with that same energy, especially since (imo) Genshin's lore and worldbuilding goes waaay harder, and I truly feel like if he genuinely dug into it, he would enjoy the heck out of it. All I can hope for is that he gains a more invested and respectful approach to the game’s lore and story for more enjoyable story content streams in the future.
Dear Lord this was a wall of text, but fair criticism, it also comes down to personal preference.
Wall of text more lethal than 10 wenuts
I feel so sorry for you, play and let play
Yeah honestly I agree with this.
It feels weird to me, because I heard of him through a friend who watches his videos and thought that I would enjoy his Genshin streams since he's known as a pretty big lore youtuber in the LoL community. And I was definetely not dissapointed because I found his reactions and the videos he's made on the game so far to be really interesting!
But I also feel like he hasn't even scratched the surface of Genshin Lore. I mean, for example, Zepla read "Before Sun & Moon" in a stream, and seeing her reaction was so interesting because she immediately started making theories and such. She made an comment about how "is the Sun and Moon fake?" And then when she finished the Sumeru Archon Quest and Dottore mentioned the "Sky is fake" ordeal she was immediately super surprised and trying to connect everything together, which was very entertaining to watch.
Granted, Genshin lore is very very complicated, and it's difficult to get into because of the way it's presented, and I'm not talking about things such as artifact lore and such, but even side quests make it different to understand. For example in the "Dirge of Bilqis" world quest they mention the name "Nabu Malikata" a lot. Lore players might be able to figure out from the description of this person/goddess that it's the Goddess of Flowers. But like, players that don't really pay attention too much will get very confused to who this might be.
But still, I feel like although the dialogue can be drawn out or some parts very difficult to understand, he really has grasped so little of the lore. I don't even think he has done stuff with Albedo's quest, or if he even knows who Rhinedottir and such is. Hell, I'll be surprised if he manages to figure out if that "Golden Nara" = our sibling, or that the hidden door you find in the undeground while doing the Pari quest is the door to Khaenri'ah.
Thanks for this comment, as a long time viewer from Necrit, I was very sad with his streams. Even tho he is very nice to genshin in videos, from streams it just felt disrespectful from his part again and again, from the refusal to understand what ppl in chat were trying to help him with, to the lack of direction he had without a reliable friend to guide him during the story and side quests. He got overwhelmed and refused to slow down a little bit, and seems like he got burned out by the AQ. He could take his time since primos are not more important than his enjoyement of the game!
Once you notice that characters can't seem to say the words "kill", "die", "murder" etc. in the earlier chapters of Genshin you can already see it has a more "family friendly" tone to it. Even though I prefer more complex and darker themes, this tone didn't ruin my enjoyment of the game at all. Paimon is what pushes this over the edge for me and makes me feel like I'm playing an episode of Dora the Explorer. To sum up why Paimon genuinely ruins Genshin's story for me. She has redeeming qualities such as caring about the Traveller, stands up for what is right and she sometimes works well as a comedic relief, but she has these qualities in such extremes they are also annoying character traits.
1. She is OBSESSED with the Traveller, to the point where she hates if the Traveller wants to be away from her even for a short amount of time like with Xiao.
2. She likes to stand up for what is right, but has no sense of timing. There are multiple instances of her jumping the gun and making things more difficult because she is too eager to jump into evil-busting, and she NEVER learns.
3. Her comedic relief isn't always effective and instead spoils the tone of Genshin's more serious and solemn moments. Honkai: Star Rail showed to me the impact that Hoyoverse's more serious scenes can have. After witnessing the quest about the man who lost his family and basically worked himself to death to provide supplies to Natasha's clinic, it made me wonder how much less impactful it would be if Paimon popped out at the end and went "Oh no! Is he gone?! Now I'm all sad...".
For me, it's just her voice is way too high. I can feel my eardrum pierced every time she starts shouting...
The character design should have give you a clue also, 95% of characters are childs or teens at most compared to their other games like Honkai impact or HSR that have a lot more grown up characters
gi is just standard battle shounen lol
@@winslycan1309 this is why I play with JP voiceover. JP Paimon is a little less grating on my already damaged ears
@@chelo136 okay the 95% of all characters being is a bit of an exaggeration since barely any of them are childs but about 55% of them are teens and 31% of them are adults/grown ups. Also HSR has it's own fair share of teens/childs too
Today is the 100th day anniversary of Necrit getting me to try Genshin Impact. My ability to save wishes is going to be truly tested on the upcoming Kazuha banner. Actually looking forward to the next 100 days of more casual play and stocking up on resources I kept bottoming out of. Thanks Necrit for getting me into this beautiful game.
3.8 probably Eula and Klee rerun , holy i hope get all of them with Kazuha
Are you a Disney character why you so jovial
@@18andcloudy Being jovial never hurt me. Being the opposite never helped. Easy choice really.
Good luck on Kazuha! He's an amazing character, i hope you get him early pity
Hope you got Nahida
Personally, I've like Hu tao's playstyle since I enjoy canceling animations (yes she's C0), same goes for League where I'm a Talon main because the swift animations feel good to use. Artifact wise don't let people bother you to much, most of the time players focus way to much on crit value when 4 rolls of atk% and 2-3 rolls of crit is still a really damn good piece. The same goes for er rolls, em rolls, etc.
Necrit misunderstood the cancel jump as part of Hu Tao gameplay.. its never been. It's a trick for efficient stamina consumption when doing charged atk as c0. There's difference, that trick is not required when playing her.
@@7thLeader It’s not inherently part of her kit, but is integral to playing her and maximizing stamina efficiency and mobility with her. Mostly because not dash cancelling will lead you far away from where you want to be when dealing damage, hence the loss in dps, and wasting stamina in the process. It’s not really necessary, if you don’t want to deal with that, but still important to consider because it just gets rid of some annoying parts of her gameplay.
@@yesensei like I said it's a trick. like. in. short.. what I'm trying to point out is the early spoil, the misdelivery of telling this trick from players to players that makes new players think hu tao gameplay is even more difficult. My opinion is to let them use her for a while and if the player is really into making her as main chara then fine, if they look it up sure.. The important is its them having the genuine interest first.
@@7thLeader ..that doesnt change that Hu Tao's gameplay is still shitty tho
The dialogue bloat is insane! What’s worse, if you are farming consumables for ascension levels, you can accidentally walk into a quest that triggers a 15 min cut scene you can’t skip. Fucking maddening.
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I feel Inazuma's weaknesses are more apparent in retrospect, now that players can play through in one go rather than wait for the updates (and streamers are usually in a hurry on camera and want big chunks of story progress), and that some of them weren't apparent to the designers either until this point due to it's being hard to tell ahead of time what would make it in. For example, allied NPCs would have been very useful for a civil war - but they just weren't available yet although it looks like that's the reason why we have a few in Sumeru despite there being no great reason to push for that engine feature at that point - some of the work was already done.
The basic issue was the contradictory needs of pacing, which the writing did take a stab at and which I feel does succeed at fitting together even though this makes it subvert player anticipations. Once reaching Inazuma there's a driving need to slow the plot down: there's a land as steeped in history as Liyue and with less land mass to explore and a lot of people to meet. However, there's a civil war going on, which seems to indicate a need to speed the plot up. The immediate way to reconcile this is to make it clear the protagonist doesn't care about the local plotline. While this does make sense, not everybody has spent the time going through their character pages and has realized they really do have personalities (differing, even) and their own goals and desires... and honestly, even for somebody who had it was still a touch jarring. Making it viscerally clear the Land of Lightning does not appreciate being just casually traversed also either helps or instead annoys people who have plans to Finish this Quest Now and aren't going to adjust them.
The less immediate fix was to keep most of the civil war pretty off-camera, which if you're focused entirely on that single plotline will make it feel like it goes by far too quickly. This ties in to the final reconciliation of these needs, which was to ensure that even in-game the civil war was being carefully paced out by a third party. In terms of everything fitting together in the long run, this makes perfect sense: future events made it clear the Fatui have a long history influencing Inazuma, even if most of that influence doesn't seem to have been with the specific goal of setting this up. And in retrospect, it makes total sense that until the Fatui are through there - which coincides neatly with your entrance into the arena - nobody is going to be winning. And it also makes sense that as this is a war where the people in charge of both sides want to keep everybody alive more than they want to push through a quick victory (and they've got better battlefield medicine than the real world), there's a semblance of peacetime on Narukami Island. The people have enough other things to worry about that it's mostly the family members of soldiers who pay attention to the war. And it's not like the main character doesn't get to resolve the real issues even if for a change the populace doesn't notice this. It's not a bad plotline - but it's nowhere near what people expected going in, probably by design although it's hard to tell from the outside what just didn't make it in the development time.
I'm more content with Kokomi's presentation although I feel there isn't quite enough tell. The basic concept behind her is very clearly one we've seen tried later in Honkai Star Rail: that actual strategic competence is displayed not in a brilliant and unexpected maneuver but in the total lack of need for any such. She's also a change from most of the smart people in the game in that she's entirely open with you about what she knows and is doing. (Nahida's kind of a callback to this in that while she still doesn't always share, she's theoretically keeping tabs on you and would certainly share if you actually needed the information and were messing with something that was definitely your business.) And this isn't a bad idea concept if it does mean somebody has to get lucky for interesting things to happen where Kokomi's involved. The one bit of "tell" I think we really did need at the start was any hint of her long-term goals - or lack of them beyond playing the role the people wanted her to - because it's the only way to put what we do see of her strategy in context.
As someone who often hangs around in genshin streams chat backseating you for everything is so annoying and clowning on backseaters is so fun. Great video
ALSO CAN I PLEASE GET UR SUMERU VODS I WANT TO SEE YOUR REACTION TO STUFF
my main issue with the paimon, dialogue, exposition problem is that because they do TOO MUCH explaining, it makes following the story HARDER, not easier. i stopped caring and following the story because the pacing was so awful, and i could have dealt with that if the dialogues werent so unbelievably boring and useless.
genshin is a prime example in storytelling how overexplaining the plot, makes it HARDER to follow.
I've never had any issues with the 'over-explaining' making the plot harder to follow. I understand the plot just fine.
I get what necrit says about albedo. For newer players, albedo just seems like your typical normal handsome alchemist but if you've played the 1.2 event, albedo has really rich lore in that event. Another example is the golden archipelago stories with mona, kazuha and fischl on 2.8 or even with the first golden archipelago with klee on 1.6. I just hope that they would keep the stories in events that we could play anytime we want.
My personal issue with storytelling here is that whenever the new area is released, devs just add so much new terms in one dialogue that it’s just tiring to even decipher what they are talking about. For example, 3.6 update with story about Para’s is just such a torture. They added so much terms which are used over and over and which has a lot of interchangeable words - like there are 3 words for the same term and they use it in different dialogue so I’m just lost.
I literally take notes. (and I enjoy doing so) Half of Genshin's exploration and World Questing is playing anthropologist and I find that very neat.
@@effortlessfury same... it's like playing as such profession in a fantastical setting. Taking notes on the similar concept between region (corruption , cataclysm, khaenriah) and learning how the higher power operate in its respective region, matching oral and written records while putting into consideration which side is the source of it, further search on similar term irl for references. Also paying attention to the visual design etc.
The pari one might be harder to follow because zoroastrian terms is not as mainstream as greek or japan mythology (?). Similar use of term also happened in inazuma and other part of the story.
Genshin tend to have several name for something, like personal name, common tongue name, region specific name, title and in game mythological alias. Exactly like how irl cross culture history are. It's really interesting imo
Not to mention it introduces me to a lot of insights on irl myth and culture
yeah, its' also that it's bad, as in the story is dookie bum bum doo doo
Some people may seems them as tiring and just full of Giberrish, and just want to skip and speed up the quest for Primo and Achievement. But, someone who is intrested in Story and Cross Cultural refrence and World Building love those kind of Storytelling. A words twisted with Inuedo and such in Pari and Aranara stories maybe is difficult to understand, but for me, thats what makes it intresting. Because thats what makes the world alive and not just one Culture, that everything written and spoken has to be the same as us. Same as i learning English and connecting every slang and Inuedo to my local language and adapt it to make unique language. But thats my opinion and its your game.
@@effortlessfury In all fairness, in the past notebooks were essential for some RPGs.
These days I just read on the wikis, but keeping a notebook for a game is fun from time to time.
there is one major difference between the banners, you garantee the 5* you want on the second pull, on the weapon banner it is on the 3rd pull, and it needs to be on the same banner, the progress is reset on the next banner, they need to split the banner like they did with the character banners
Let me correct your idea: They need to split the banner like they did with character banners AND reduce Hard Pity from 3 to 2. I think the Weapon Banner having a Hard Pity of 3 Five-Stars instead of 2 like the Character Banners is stupid. Also, if they take your suggestion, they can, then, allow Pity Count to roll over to next banner just like Character Banners. It would improve Weapon Banner so much without really hurting their bottom line.
@@ForeverDegenerate yeah, it doesn't make sense that a weapon is harder to get than a 5 star character, I think that their idea is that because the pity is less, 80 in comparison to 90, it totally makes sense for the pity to also be 2 losses before a win instead of one, because a difference of an average of 1600 preemogems totally means it should cost an entire 80 pull pity extra to get the weapon.
@@thegamerfe8751 That's Hoyoverse "logic" for you... 🙄
@@ForeverDegenerate unfortunately for me I'm trying to get Thundering Pulse right now for my Yoimiya and I'm gonna be trying to get Eula in 3.8, I might just end up skipping Thundering Pulse.
The poor cabbages. I would have never skipped aranyaka. Not even if I was held at gunpoint to do so. I cried for real, that was SO GOOD
6:53 I love how the text faded immediately after I've read "you can't reasonably read it all in time"
The long conversation reminds me of how web novels that are crazy popular in China and some parts of the world. Since they are paid by word count and chapter, it fills with filler and unnecessary repeated sentences.
Good video! It's definitely good to take a step back and see the big picture; Genshin isn't perfect, and it definitely has many, MANY flaws, but to me they do something right that isn't just FOMO to keep me coming back (heck, I haven't had as good of retention in other live services). But yeah, it definitely seems like community backseating and the general discourse around everything Genshin can be unproductive. Enjoy the game how you want, basically.
Thank you for pointing out how painful it is when you miss out Albedo's story. His story is so important yet it was locked behind 1.6 and 2.3. i missed the 1.6 event and i missed the festering desire and im glad that i was there for 2.3 but missing 1.6 is so painful
Also i don't jump Hutao's animation because i didn't know you can do that, i just zoom zoom 😂
22:20 to be fair the bigger difference is just building a good team. bigger than artifacts. i still hate that the abyss is a dps check. some co-op events with no time limit and an extra difficult stage which i played with 3 other RL friends were so incredible fun. like the cube bosses as event. sounds to simple. but with friends and making team comps it was a blast.
I love this man. He knows both the highs and lows of Genshin so well😭😭😭.
The pain of how Inazuma Archon quest was annoying and how dialogue drag is just the most important thing to notice.
The issue with the dialogue is that Genshin characters, unless it's a pre-rendered cut-scene, has a limited amount of movements. So the characters really are incapable of showing any subtext. So they had to add emotions and stuff into the characters completely through dialogues. Body language and movements are mostly shared between the characters
Yup, you're pretty much right when it comes to Artifacts. I have the same mentality: an Artifact is either good, with at least 3 good substats for the proper mainstat, or COPIUM. The thing is, because of the RNG, you wanna have as many good substats as possible in the event that some rolls miss the one you want. Then it's at least usable. I think you'll eventually become like this as well if you keep playing the game or Star Rail. Still, while in the beginning there might be a lot of frustration, as time goes on, you'll become kinda numb to how shit the RNG is. At the end of the day, it is what it is. At least you don't have to min-max for the story.
Unfortunately, he did the challenge during WeNut lol, but fairly well done. The true f2p endgame is consistently trying to do a 36* abyss for those measly extra 50 primos instead of just doing a 33* clear. It's doable even against Wenut abyss in my f2p acc but it sure is challenging and time-consuming, granted I've been playing the acc since day 1 release.
I have been playing day 1 and still haven't cleared with 36 stars. 33 max. Truth be told those annoying snake enemies are jst stupid mechanics. Going underground? Why?
33 star players. we rise brother
@@crewgunnight8987 Honestly, I'd take an enemy with triple the health of the wenut if it means I could fight it the whole time.
By its 3rd come around, I had the strategy, I knew where and when it surfaces but I'll never forget how annoying it was the first time around.
The true endgame for genshin is actually teamcomps developing Without considering the abyss in my personal opinion. You can get the most fun out of the system in this way.
@@crewgunnight8987 really?? I cleared with 36 stars with 3 months after launch, only doing welking and BP.
And never failed again to 36 since.
I quit for a year before chasm came out and im back since last patch, now with Nahida its better than ever to 36 star.
You should really be able to do it blindfolded by now if you are playing everyday.
The backseating video is finally here!!
or is it. (I need to watch it first lol)
The Storytelling in Genshin was also my problem, which I why I left the game for several versions.
I hate that you have to read and read and read like it's 200 page book.
But damn do I love those cutscenes when they appear.
The Catch troll was legendary
I think the worst part of side quests not having dialogue is when they use unique names for everything. I really tried to pay attention to the 3.7 world quest but there were just so many complex names for things coming up in every single sentence. And when they eventually get explained, it's the longest and most annoying sentence to read.
As someone with 3000+ hours in a game I used to love, you are addressing so many of my own thoughts
Lmao that Hu Tao vs gigachad is awesome. 08:52 Tbf though, you'd know enough about Albedo if you'd done his character quest like the game warned us before the "Quick Start" button in the event.
Genshin as a one time playthough is really enjoyable but at the point of beeing able to 36 star abyss after the story uninstalling the game is probably the best decision to make, it's an empty world with nothing to do. You will start to hate the game sooner or later if you continue to play. It lacks purpose and enjoyment.
Yup
I strongly recommend doing Yoimiya's second quest. It really makes her character shine.
Adding on, I'm sorry that chat made you feel like you weren't having fun the right way. That just sucks. I hope you continue to play, though! If you're having fun playing the way you want, then that's how you should play it! It feels like people get caught up in some of the only content that's rapidly made by Genshin content creators, which is optimizing builds and meta teams each patch and tier lists. It feels like people take that content and think, "That's just the correct way to play the game!" Then there's creators like Cwack on Crack who just make funny videos with very, very off meta builds and just has fun with making funny numbers from funny ideas, then again, they do seem to be a whale and can get away with it, but it's still fun to watch.
The abyss on these artifacts is honestly Respectable ❤
I've been playing genshin for a bout 2 and a half years and I fully agree with your points about the story. It's a great story, but holy fuck it's so boring to watch the characters talk about it more than they actually experience it. What's worse is you can't even skip the dialogue cutscenes. I've genuinely caught myself falling asleep multiple times.
Amazing video man! You really highlighted every issue I had with this game and most important was the artifact grinding problem. People always argue with each other about how much time you should spend on grinding these items and took literal months to get me "perfect" artifacts that people wouldn't call mid, but it is really just fine if you got something just OK.
for perspective I've been playing for 2 years now and started playing since release, I've seen every issue there is to offer and took a lot of breaks during the way because the game just isn't fun for too long. But I agree that the game shouldn't be gating lore through limited events and people shouldn't be backseating on how you enjoy the story. I was actually half expecting you to fail at beating the abyss but you did pull through, and for that I give you props!
Good video, the variety content that isn't league is very entertaining even as a genshin veteran (which I'm not sure I'm proud of) and also means you don't rely on league's arguably confusing storytelling
I started Genshin myself a couple of months ago and I'm having a blast!
Mad props for grinding all the stuff you did
I don't use the jump animation cancel on Hu Tao because waiting for her to land is just painful for me
I use normal attack and charge instead and it actually looks like I'm fighting xD
You are losing 50% dmg
@@evilmiyoho6742 oh look who it is
anyway, I'm a casual player so I don't mind since having fun is my main objective
@@evilmiyoho6742 thats a lie at most your losing 10-15%
@@kelvinwalter8623 Learn to play
I’ve noticed that may people have similar issues regarding characters that appeared in a event once and you probably already know this, having 700h into the game but i'm gonna say it anyway. At the end of each update there's a "satisfaction" poll and people can send their concerns and issues to hoyoverse themselves. What I always do is ask them to at very least bring the dialogs from story events into the log so that you can have a little more context of who characters are, and I strongly advise you do so too. If enough people voice their concern hoyoverse might actually do something about it.
Still surprised after these years there are still people expecting the genshin development team to listen, they don't give a shit, if they did, the game would not be such waste of potential, and most importantly, waste of resources spent on the events that just go away and reappear in months, if only that went into actually improving the permanent stuff 🤷♂, like fixing bugs, which also most of the time takes 6 months (WTF?), if other companies took 6 months to fix a bug, they would get shit on. Anyway, they don't listen, unless you try to assasinate one of the CEOs
@@janvit2939 I mean the game definitely has issues but bruh do you even play other games? I come across a bug like once a year literally. Sure, there are bugs that are specific and you need to follow 10 steps to trigger them and get out of bounds but you won't come across them randomly plus they always get patched in the next update. seriously, I can't name a game that has less bugs than Hoyoverse game. whatcha smokin bruh.
from every valid complain you pick the stupidest ones
ps. they do add QoL stuff. But it's much harder to do them in a massive game than in a new one for example (like HSR), with how coding worse. One line can fuck up the whole game.
You can complain about gacha sucking dick. complain about the pacing. complain about artifact rng and end game. But you choose bugs that are objectively basically non-existent lol
@@akwaMartyna people have been saying that genshin will improve the issues it has but I honestly don't believe it anymore since I would like more qol but damn it annoying when people keep saying the same thing over and over and also your example of coding so it could mess up everything but doubt it cause it seems hoyoverse knows how to code and one example I can give of qol is elden ring
Well, i think the problem is more people are just sending "they're satisfied with what they get" message through this survey or just straight up ignoring it (or it hoyo that's ignoring it).. I've done this survey for 2 years and never saw anything of my concerns being implemented... Ironically, i see some of the things i've complained being put in.. Honkai Star Rail instead.. what a joke..
@@akwaMartyna I do think the original comment has a point.
Commissions like "Cliffhanger!" Were only patched a patch or two ago. *They were in and bugged since launch.*
Keqing's C2 was just flat out bugged and didn't work. It was patched in December of last year. *That was in since launch too.*
Another daily commission, Geo Travel Diary, if you choose three of the options separately, two of them get deleted from your inventory. That's a bug, and *it's been in the game since launch, and has yet to he patched.*
Mona's C1, half of it doesn't work. The Freeze duration isn't extended at all. It's also bugged and *has yet to be patched.*
Xinyan, the four star shielder? It's supposed to stack based on how many enemies you hit, but instead is bugged to be every OTHER enemy you hit. **That's been in since 1.1 and has yet to be fixed.**
That's just five off the top of my head that I've encountered, and that's not even mentioning stuff that has workarounds but really shouldn't exist like the quest to turn off the rain in Inazuma being bugged so that you have to restart the game sometimes for it to actually work and progress.
I get that you like the game, but honest criticism doesn't hurt.
11:07 Even if you got a 5-star character there is still a whole different level between Whale and f2p. Full con + fully refine weapon + bis relic with god stat 5 star character made the character feel totally different.
Just a friendly tip. Hu Tao's DPS without cancels (as in full normal attack combo) is on par with Diluc (for Vaporize teams that is, Diluc Melt is a different discussion).
Hu Tao's DPS is optimal with cancels and it's mechanical reliance really helps boost performance if you dont have the best artifacts, but it doesnt mean you cant take a different approach on her combos. When I didnt have her first constellation (C1) I gravitated to doing 3-4 normal attacks + uncanceled charge attack and it was enough to fully star floor 12 (I also didnt have 4 piece crimson witch set artifacts and Yelan wasnt released back then). It certainly helped lower the amount of erratic positioning and mechanical difficulty of playing her.
Not saying you should play her again immediately, but if you ever do revisit her, then you might enjoy her more with a different approach.
I'm so incredibly happy to see that i'm not the only one with the issue of artifacts, yesterday i got a crit damage circlet with some crit rate subs and ER % but my friend said it was 'mid' / copium, even tho i was really happy with it because it was the first high crit damage 5star i've gotten ( on a set i need for my character as well ) ! I told him he could atleast be happy for me, like jeesh it works for the moment!
hes happy for you im sure, and that copium was for him, not you. We genshin player learn how to cope with time, and you shall too, naive soul.
I feel that, honestly people focus way to much on the "perfect" artifact when you can more than make good ones work wonders. I've been playing Genshin for 2.5 years now and for instance, an artifact with 20% atk and 10 crit rate is fantastic, people focus way to much on crit value and the perfect piece when you're just never finding the perfect artifact and it's fun to make due when what you have, and it's also fun that there's always somewhere to improve.
Show him that you can 36 star abyss using that artifacts. Im sure he will shut his mouth and respect thr real chad.
@MefoWho the issue is that all the artifacts i'm using now is mostly hp% / def% main stat and finally realising how artifacts work typically, i'm working on improving them slowly, i started playing in january and speed ran the quests so i have like an AR 35 inventory even tho i'm AR 54 at the moment, i don't even know how i made it so far but i think it's because nahida/raiden are carrying my team, haven't made it past floor 6 chamber 3 in abyss /yet/ so the first step for me is atleast stepping up my artifacts bit my bit, yes i know i can get the perfect piece *eventually* but for now that one crit circlet with attack, ER is better than a def % circlit that rolls into hp flat atk and def, instead of being negative he could atleast say ''copium, but works for now'' or something, it's annoying when everything i show him is constantly being responded to with ''mid''
@@twigz3214 exactly this, right now that one crit artifact is 10x better than most if not all the artifacts im using right now, i'm slowly working on artifacts but right now my priority is leveling my characters' talents / ascension because my characters and account / inventory is like AR 35 when my account itself is AR 54, started playing in january this year and didnt know any better
Same with the Dark Blade from Albedo quest, it saps some HP, but increases damage to insane meassures. Making it one of the most powerful relic weapons in the game... Removing immersion quickly.
I love Genshin as a whole, however if anything, the ideology of not able to do a quest or event because certain character(s) are locked in another quest felt rather irritating to my perspective.
I get it it's for the sake of realism, however it bothers me sometime for instance; I wanted to do 3.6 Interdashan main event which involves many characters, however I couldn't start it because some characters were locked in another quest which took me about 3 hours in total to finish to even start the main event.
I wish they allow characters to be available in multiple quests simultaneously without being locked in.
I love reading books, reading dialogue in genshin is not even remotely close because it constantly breaks this information up with little stupid tasks and you needing to say something when regardless of your choices nothing changes.
Artifacts and more powerful things don’t get you more stars in Spiral abyss. Sure it helps but still to reach the time limit you have to play *way* better. Better understanding of buff set ups, learning enemy patterns, and team rotations. Even with amazing artifacts and stats, some people still cant even get all stars with meta characters because they just suck. Speaking from a person that got 9 stars every floor for very long. People usually don’t care if you don’t beat the abyss without perfect stars. Getting all stars is the real challenge the community sees. And trust me trying to get stars in the abyss is not as easy as just beating it with no stars.
You’re not entirely wrong but you aren’t right either.
The skills needed to do what Necrit did vs getting all stars are different.
To get all stars you need to be good at rotations and buff setups and team building etc. but to finish abyss with crap artifacts and non-meta teams, you need to be good at dodging, knowing when to attack the enemy and when to back off etc.
In my opinion, the latter is more of an engaging and fun challenge. While the former is just a dps check. Those just aren’t fun for me. For many meta teams you don’t even need to worry about dodging because either you have an OP shield, a freeze team, a team that staggers the enemies so much that they can’t attack, or you just have C6 R5 everyone and tank the damage because everything dies so fast.
I really agree with the event-locked core parts of the story! Like I keep telling my bf lore about this and he (a newbie at ar20) was like ‘???’ because he wasn’t there when it happened
Hey Necrit! I was wondering if you have any plans of covering the stories of both Genshin and Star Rail.
Specifically Star Rail I have started because of your recent video and I am enjoying it very much. But even though I try to pay attention during the main story (and so far I am enjoying it), I have to say I can't be bothered to read every note I find, or every piece of dialogue in sidequests.
Is there a chance you are gonna cover some of this in future videos, like you did with Champion Lore in the past?
Lots of Love!
Completely agree man. Especially on the events being time-gated with essential plot details. That's why I decided to retell the whole story, including those events, on my channel. Lmao. Awesome video btw! Keep up the great vids!
While I normally agree with most of the things you say, you are waaay off the mark if you think artifacts are the only thing you are missing to get 36 stars on abyss. Abyss is as much a skill check and knowledge check as a dps check. Rotations, comps and resource management are key if you want to complete abyss as a f2p.
I mean... the current record to 36* abyss is just 16 days (In a f2p account).
In my opinion, minmaxing your teams using whatever you can get is the most fun part of the game.
mans beat the hardest abyss with scraps and sheer determination and still won. and i respect the hell out of it
great video and it kind of takes me back to when i started genshin a year ago. The problem is (and probably why u saw so much backseating with the highest degree on snob) in your chat was that the difference of DPS between 33 stars in abyss and 36 stars is the same amount of time sink (if not more if u are truly unlucky) as completing spiral abyss in general. Since its the only form of endgame content genshin has, the standards for artifacts and characters and weapons are really unneccasserily high because people want to avoid the quadruple gatcha balancing that is Artifacts, Character and weapon summoning AND the fickle mistress that is Fortuna who always makes me miss my Crits whenever i do a burst (80% chance my ass).
in the end, yeah its easy to have fun in genshin but the fomo for characters and weapons is what pushes people into minmaxing for abyss, to get all the primos u can as a F2P, to not get caught in FOMO.
Atleast it´s what i noticed in around one and a half year of playing this game. Hope u keep enjoying it and sharing ur opinion on it tho :D
"had fun in abyss" psychopath . . . I mean whatever floats your boat good job on not getting burnt out in the 700 hours
Nice video! I think the main reason why they try so hard to explain everything in the story and then summarize it with Paimon, is because Genshin is very, very casual-oriented. I followed a bunch of anime communities in the past, and it was impressive how often people could miss some obvious points that were made even by well-written shows. I assume that it's a safer decision for the devs to get a wall of complaints like "they explain too much" than a wall of "they don't explain enough" (even if they actually explain well).
Of course, this is just my personal view, but it's clear that the game aims to capture as wide of an audience as possible, so it has to play safe wherever possible.
Nail on the head. This is exactly what they're doing and why.
I mean if someone is that ignorant or oblivious, that shouldn't be on the game to pander to. It just drags down everything.
Star Rail so far has done this without a Paimon-like character, and it's been good. People are loving its story. You could argue it's because people now know they should be actually trying to pay attention, but I think it's also because it respects the players ability to pick things up during the story and cutscenes.
It is NOT casual oriented at all.
@@whaleborne1308 It depends on who your audience is. Genshin is aiming for a much, much wider net than either Honkai game. It is up to the game to be accessible as the devs want the game to be, and Genshin is designed to be excessively accessible.
To preface, I personally prefer Star Rail's way of storytelling so far. That said, I have seen some folks who DON'T like Star Rail's style of storytelling and found its aggressive ramp-up confusing. That's OK. Not everyone is the same, not everyone parses stories the same way, and that's why HoYo has multiple games with different approaches.
@@effortlessfury More often than not, if you try to appeal to EVERYONE, you end up excelling at nothing
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I will say right now that as someone at max AR, my one major flaw with Genshin is the fact that sometimes getting to play a certain character can feel like a major grind on Artefacts and Materials. For example, I pulled for Kaveh and Baizhu, and I got them, but now I feel like I'm not allowed to play them until theyre giga maxed because everything has so much HP and so much damage.
It really is a minor problem, but as someone who just wants to see cool characters doing their thing, knowing there is not a single place I can safely play some of my characters is a bit sad.
That being said, there are just a few minor things that may get fixed down the line, or will be fixed in some other ways.
#1: Albedo isn't a standard banner 5 Star. (WE NEED GEO 5 STARS ON STANDARD PLEASE!)
#2: All characters must be "nice". (So far Wanderer is the only non friendly character we have that is playable, but even still they went out of their way to sort of yassify him without doing much of the actual building back of trust.)
#3: Physical and Geo just suck right now. (Most enemies have resistance to these two damage types, but atleast you can fight Eremites. Also Shatter sucks. Geo desperately needs new reactions instead of "get a shield" since you aren't playing Geo for the crystalize.)
#4: Ningguang got shafted so hard why is every Geo character Defense scaling leaving Ningguang with no good supports or carry potential compared to even Noelle. 😭
you deserve a medal to at least prove you even had to spent 700 hours to show the game flaws that most of us veteran player already know but still not fixed or only made it worse with their " bug fix". good thing there are issue fixed but too bad you can count by finger in every 4-5 patchs.
it's really funny how your chat just try to backseat you despide the game don't have to follow the "correct" order because in the game story and world building premise mostly don't have direct proper order and Teyvat probaly under a simulation rather and we still don't know how Teyvat really looks like. it seems it is true that the lore side of Genshin is rather too fanatical and rabid compare to metaslave where the toxic part of meta slave mostly comes from Hu Tao mains and the "specia" 4 star user mains side of the community and man I've seen the horrible stuff these part of the toxic player act and even attack other game playerbase. one of the few rare occasion I see veen for some reason many player even Genshin youtuber had to get backseat was the first GAA event before Inazuma Mural puzzle, the hint of the puzzles was so clear to notice and understand but apparently the mural picture is too hard to solve... like WHAT?!
I have to disagree that to 3-9* floor 12 spiral abyss mostly just affected by the artifacts, your character talent lv, ascendtion and weapon is also really matter but from your perspective I really understand why you state it because man the rng is pretty much the worse, I remember it took me almost a month way back when Eula first -beta- banner in 1.5 for decent Pale flame set and one of the set is still not that great, there is many that is more unlucky than me and it took them 6 months for their target character.I already gave up bother it unless there is a new mechanic where we can at least change one of the substat and the mainstat till we get what we want or maybe limitbreak enchancement mechanic.
I'm a veteran player 2nd day from their first launch, non-paid and what you said you can clear the game without spend real money is true however the time you have to sacrifice is immense and it could even took more than 700 hours, the 700 hours experience you spent is just the beginning but since you clear floor 12 and at least have 6 or 9 star from floor 9-11, you prove yourself have knowledge investmen in the game and that is also matter when it comes to get 3-9 star in floor 12. so in general your frist to 3 month play the game are mostly exploring, get some beginner artifact and just don't use some 4 star artifact like exile, instructor and beserker as fodder, lock those that have decent substats future young padawans. 3rd to 6th months for strenghtening your charactrer depends on your pace, then road played the game for a year where you pretty much hit the spot and road to endless insanity of 5* artifacts rng fest. this game is not that hard but it is so grindy and slow even whales will suffer the same issue only not that long unlike non-spender that need to have a patience of a sage.
I don't want to make it too long post and I recommend you watch 'just some fat boi video' about how their world quest reward can be...really disapointing and how the game is more of being made by Tech Company than actual Game company which is true, even for a 2021 the video is still relevant with how this game are developing really really slow. If people expect any future Mihoyo game to be better in a span of 2 years, just give up and don't bother you already see how much Genshin develop in just 2 years and there is not much improve at all, side quest slowly become bunch of unnecessary texts and for 2 year+ the only new permanent content is not even an endgame content but just more boring and time consuming TCG permanent content that alot of player forgot it even exist plus lately they even try to make a limited event for it and you can even see the sheer desperation the dev want to see player bother with the minigame which too bad only last for one or two weeks then down the mariana trench again lmao.
I don't even want to fully detail mention how toxic this game community is and how if you know more of the game the community rather punish you just like what happen to Jinx Turner and I can already see that in the comment section pretend the wenut SA as "far" and those who basicaly said "it will get better in version x.x" that can be it's own topic because there something disturbing with these cult, the parasocial and even rather mad over a red defeat colour in TCG because it's "too" negative for them ignoring that at least they can experience how luck still matter even in the most "anti-rng" deck setup.
oh I forgot to mention the game have so muich potential and visualy and art wise they are pretty good but well what you get for 2 years? the answer is up to you.
Genshin Impact would be much better pace, if they can just remove Paimon out of the game. And then the story would feel the same, but better engagement rate
You gave The Catch as an example of "people being wrong when trying to backseat," but it was a bad example. It DOES take at least 2 weeks to get The Catch, assuming you're starting from 0 fish. But you had clearly already done a LOT of fishing, so you were able to just buy most of the mats right then and there.
I feel like beating Spiral Abyss comes down to perspective. Because although it's great you beat it with your teams. Getting all 3 stars is primarily what people go for because that's the bar the game has set and that's what gets you the full amount of primogems. To me personally, that's what beating the 12th floor is (not to take away from your own victory of beating it in general). It's a huge DPS check that artifacts alone can't be enough to carry you if you're going for 3 stars. There are a few factors, like knowing the enemies you'll face, their weaknesses and the comps to build against them. Or just having an absolutely whaled account.
might be an unpopular opinion, but I actually prefer rolling on the weapons banner to character banner lol (yes, I'm F2P)
There's something so amazingly satisfying to me to see my Hu Tao, Eula, Raiden Shogun and Yoimiya equipped with their BIS, it feels like my character is finished then and I love the feeling
(obviously a lot of people don't feel this way, which is fine too, just wanted to give my opinion on it even though nobody asked lol)
Raiden's 2nd act story quest, Transient Dreams, will always be the peak Genshin storytelling for me.
Wait until you will find some quests in sumeru 😅
@@HawkieTalk Pretty much completed Sumeru, none of them came close to it.
12:01 This statement here, yeah this particular statement, is gonna trigger a lot of Hu Tao simps.
hahahahaha the end was perfect.
Tho 1 correction: sometimes beating abyss with 3* in each floor is not so much about artefacts but about teams, or saving up energy.
I have been playing since release, and in this current abyss, I can mainly finish it with around 7-8 stars. I have to alter my teams, for the first time I ........ I........... I stopped playing Childe Xiangling Suckrose Xingqiu. In order to 36* comfortably (without having to play floor 1 perfectly or reset for 5 hours+)
A 3* clear is 3 minutes. A 0* clear with almost the full 9 minutes utilized is ~3x the time. Which means your dps output is just above 1/3rd of what is needed for a full clear.
The artifacts on diluc were perfectly fine. Not all pieces were loaded with CR CD, but you had plenty of atk% and many good EM rolls on several pieces. Farming crimson witch for another year is going to give you a diluc with maybe 10% more damage with hyper optimal subs. Your twitch chat needs to cool it with the mid accusations (though thats more a result of the nature of a fast scrolling twitch chat desparate for attention id say)
Artifact substats arent some sort of infinite trove of treasures from which damage just flows out endlessly the more you farm. Across 5 pieces you get 40-45 substats in total. And no more. The limit of reaching a perfect 45 substats gets harder with every little bit of progress you make. The whole experience is best described as asymptotic progression.
The point I want to make is that your statement at the end of "the gap from 0*s to 3* all comes down to getting better luck on artifacts" is blatantly untrue. A hypothetical run where your same teams had all perfect +20 artifacts wouldve maybe gotten you a clear with 30s remaining on the clock. The other 5 1/2 minute gap comes from a lack of understanding of the more detailed mechanics of the game, which leads to an inability to build teams that synergize with each other properly, both wrt reactions and rotation matching. Compounded with the resource crunch of needing to spread resources over 8 units to build, on top of that the wenut and later abyss cycles being an absolute pain in the ass to clear fast cause of stalling mechanics.
The good news is, almost none of that is your fault. I mention detailed mechanics, but the game puts in 0 effort into explaining what they are. Theyre content with saying "try putting hydro and pyro for big damage" and letting you figure the rest out. Which is good for hoyo cause you know, lack of knowledge means players are inclined to use money to make up the difference. You need to seek it out yourself, fortunately they are easy enough to find detailed guides on. Specifically about rotations, application ICDs and gauge theory. As a practical example of gauge theory at work, look at the wenut footage in this video. Look at the aura on the wenuts health bar as you attack it with a yelan ult + diluc on field. Observe how the aura always stays only pyro. Now redo the same chamber with yelan and xingqiu swapped between those teams. You'll find that diluc is able to consistently vape a lot more.
The resource crunch of raising multiple units is part of why tier lists exist. As cringe as they are, most of them do give a decent idea of what units would be worth investing your time limited resources into to get returns. Or you could just pick favorites / be a rebel and end up with 0 star clears. Its a shame that theres no real way to experiment building units cause everything costs so much resin. That being said, tier lists are at best a semi reliable guide post and definitely not anything close to a proper ranking of units, ditto for anyone throwing around usage statistics.
Why am I writing all of this, probably only to be lost in the new comments section never to be seen. Probably cause the rest of your evaluation of the game from story to writing and exploration are on point. Youre able to discern the good and bad of what this game offers with fair and proper judgement. So when I heard the "artifacts are why im at 0 stars" argument that i've heard countless times from several parts of the playerbase that love to scapegoat artifacts for their lack of game knowledge and skill, just irked me I guess. In any case, thanks for the great video.
As a genshin player, I shall cancel you for having an honest opinion and mostly being right.
After the BLOOD-DRAINING Inazuma Quests...
I'm too scared to even begin the SUMERU ones... I heard they're even longer... I can't...
I'll skip to Fontaine 😂💀
i did abysss as f2p after 6 months, with full stars, you just need to know how to build teams and which character are good, many 4 stars are amazing
True, but also, the abys gets harder and harder over time. I remember 36 starring the 1.2 abys with a team that was around the power level of his one if not even worse.
Abyss powercreep is real , new enemies, new bosses, etc.
Yesm i agree. And we still have a lot of casuals and bad players calling it a pay to win...
@@pontoancorabecause it does...
@@pontoancora I beat abyss f12 at AR 25 and yes, it's pay to win and it will likely continue to be so as they design the highest floors with the newest banner characters in mind.
Fortunately they kept the best event story fixed
Genshin's artifact system is the worst part of it I swear. You need 5 per character and characters come out faster than you can farm decent artifacts. And even if you could theoretically get decent artifacts in a reasonable amount of time before you pull your next character and you had enough resin to get the level up mats as well... the process is just so miserable that I don't want to.
I know that odds are I could equip all the characters I want with workable relics if I put in the time, but the process just sucks too much with no clear end point and it just feels bad.
Even with the damn weapon banner I know that at the absolute very least with the worst luck imaginable that if I did 240 pulls, I'd finally get what I want. Somehow artifacts are worse than that.
the difference between 0 stars and 9 stars in floor 12 is more than just artifacts though...
To be honest, it's not only artifacts you need to 9*, because these comps would hit a threshhold of dmg at some point even with godly ones. But you most definitely don't have to force yourself to play Hu Tao.
Sumeru's sidequests where amazing, I wish they where with voice-acting
exactly! but a lot of these issues are not noticed because most of their player base are 8-12 year olds.... so all you hear is just high praise. tho for me the journey to becoming strong enough to consistently defeat Abyss 12 with 9 stars was the best part I had with the game, then it just dropped off after that, I had no more goals, no reason to gather materials, build and min max characters, Abyss difficulty plateaus, even after 3 years, it still the same, mihoyo refuses to add any end-game content so there's no reason to build your characters stronger, even though their elemental combat was one of the best things in the game, the game has many things that are really good but the elemental combat system was one of the few things they executed really well, they rest where really good concepts but are executed not poorly but not so good, but mihoyo refuses to lean on their best aspects of the game..
For the story consumption part, it's more so the issue of a lot of the side-stories of characters being optional, so what ended up happening was that Necrit was going through the main story only and when there was an AR requirement for the next one while doing future events he had to return to 'the past' sort of speak to catch up on character quests, which for people who played in chronological order it felt like he was rushing even though he in fact was not. The game simply does not force character stories upon players, but those stories are needed for context which is why Necrit was in perpetual confusion.
Also, there are three types of artifacts according to players(not two): 'Perfect', 'Mid' and 'Trash'. Mid is good, but people don't like mediocre things or being mediocre simply because it can be better. This is a human perspective issue in general and not special to Genshin. To most if it's not top of the line, no one cares about it, be it about a person an event or an object, thus 'Mid'.
No, they are not needed for context. The ones that have necessary context are actually required. For example, people kept getting upset that he hadn't done Zhongli's SQs when they provide little context for the other stories currently in the game despite being good. If he's confused because he did something "out of order", then when he does it that confusion will still be cleared.
There is no "correct" order to play it, it's really tiring seeing so many chatters try to convince new players to do things in chronological release order
@@annaairahala9462 I mean context for the lore of the world not for the future stories and quests.
@@annaairahala9462 he quickstart windblume event. The game even told him which story quests are needed to fully enjoy the event. And yet he was mad when didnt know who albedo was when he was introduced in the event.
@@armansyahdeni If that's true, he really has no reason to complain about Chat. Because if this is true, then they were probably just telling him not to ignore the game and he ignored the game anyway then got mad. Like, I'm sorry, you don't get get to be pissed off at something like that when the game outright tells you the order you should do things and you just outright ignore the game and do things out of order. To quote a famous wise man, "You Have Done That Yourself."
That moment when you trolled them with the catch, pure gold. Love it.
Necrit - "All my characters were full leveled up"
*sees Necrit's characters at level 80*
Me- Wait a moment...
As someone who watched all Necrit's Genshin stream, I want to points out few things.
1. Him being F2P is basically a running joke in the chat. As he said, some viewers actually gift him welkin and genesis crystal, and he uses those for his pulls. If he was truly F2P, he won't have enough to get the Beacon's claymore because he got the polearm twice.
2. When he said he get Hutao + Yelan in 20 pulls, technically, it's not correct. He did some pulls in Alhaitham's banner before, so his pity is already pretty high at this points.
3. Most people actually believe that clearing Abyss with "bad" characters is very possible. Some people even suggest Candance because hydro infusion + XL is actually very good, which is the one he used. So I'm not sure why he said that people don't believe he will not clear abyss without Hu Tao.
4. In defense of chat backseating, honestly, a lot of them are trying to help. And sometimes being helpful can get into this grey area. Is trying to help and give tips actually count as backseating?
But still, Necrit clearing Abyss with barely built characters is very impressive. And that was during the Wenut Abyss too, which is probably the worst Abyss rotation in a while.
His skill is real, and if he has better built characters, 36* Abyss will be easy for him.
I couldn't help but notice that he doesn't have the first-time top-up bonus for the $50 or $100 bundles, so gifts from chat would make sense I guess. That also definitely explained how he was able to go to pity 3 times on a weapon banner, cuz that's definitely not something a F2P player could do without saving for a long time
Thanks for clarifying this.
Most primogems come from dailys and events, both time-gated. It takes a lot of days to collect enough for 3 times pity.
Imagine he wouldn't have gotten the claymore (cause pity on weapon banner doesnt carry over - thats the reason why its called scam). It would have been the real F2P experience.
Yup, i watch his stream too. Necrit is actually pretty darn good, on his management of Artifacts and Talents for Char. Chat says that 'You need to read the skills effect and etc' and mad that Necrit doesn't understand the skills the char that he got. But i think its discret Necrit too much, yeah in Streams he jokingly troll the chat and makes them irritate. But when the Catch troll came out, i think Necrits know what he is doing all this time behind the streams. And yeah Backseating is something, but thats not new at this point, many streamers have experience that i can fully agree with Necrit sentiments. But, still there is some that trully passionate and try to help him, but he's right that it will falls under gray area when he can't distinguished who is helping, trolling or out of spite. But nonetheless GG for Necrits clearing Abyss thats impressive feat. And remember F2P 'can' Finish up the Abyss. But i'm not certain if its Full stars abyss because that timegate.
Honestly, i do agree with nearly everything you said.
- Black screens should be considered Crime against Story telling.
- You can skip 80% of dialog and still understand everything.
- Aranara quest was Hideous. Did they really hoped me to read all that Alien language? C mon
- Most Main story quests suffer from pacing.
- Character Stories are SUPER Boring. You have lawyer, Tax officer, Dude who talks with rocks, Alchemy, Yae started good, later you find out you got on Writing competition or whatever, Eula has tragic story, but your quest is how to learn to dance.
- Story based on characters always gonna end up like this, where they HAVE to shoehorn in some 5 star characters into the story. Honkai impact did it better since it's character based on story, not story based on characters.
My Personal issues:
- Combat is NOT that great when you think about it. All it does, it's focusing to much on elemental reactions. Which means, as long as you have certain elements, you see big numbers. I WANT FLASHY ULTIMATES. God coming down from the sky, Raiden raiding a dragon or some sh*t. When Raiden Shogun Boss came out, i thought "YES, finally we'll get a character which ACTUALLY FEELS LIKE 5 STAR" nah, all you get is tazer on a fishing stick. Crazily enough, That would be totally in Honkai impact 3rd, and it's like 5 year old, and they have Raiden Mei which rides a Dragon. Honkai Star rail have that, Why Genshin can't? On the same note, Ults with animations sucks. It's cool first 5 times, then... That's why Rosalya is one of the best characters in the game.
Nearly none of the characters FEELS like 5 star. Newest character? Awful he does absolutely nothing.
- Abyss is a dogsh*t I dont see how people can have fun with that. EVERYTHING is made just to waste your time. Is it hard? NO. Is there incentive to achieve best team for that fight? NO. Since you have to go through same 2 chambers again to to get to 3rd for whatever reason. WHY? It's baffling how that never got reworked. While Honkai impact Abyss got reworked like 10 times. And it is, more fun.
- Why limit Serenita pot building? WHY? Let people go crazy at it, let them build whatever they want ffs
+ What this game does VERY WELL is Exploration. That's the main reason i still play it. And sometimes comes out character i like design of. i have 30k gems as a f2p still waiting for next character i'll like. I just like run around, get some farming, visit a pot or something. I did delete this game like 10 times already. Still returning for whatever reason
about the events having lore, man.. the only way for the events to not feel "filler" is by including some semblance of cannon storytelling. I'd go as far as to say that it doesn't have enough lore as it is.
Now of course, it sucks that future players will not be able to experience them (Albedo's events, Mona's event, the archipelagos) but I believe that's a necessary tradeoff to keep the current playerbase interested. The story related events are seriously the best. That being said, It would be so nice to include these stories as short videos that summarize everything that happened but I dont know.
a lot of other games have a "time machine" feature where you can go back and experience the story from the events and get whatever exclusive characters or items you could get - wish genshin did the same (especially as albedo's signature weapon was from an event)
@@veonoev name this games, and they must be both on phones + Pc and not been simple mobile games where you play as PNG and the story is typical novel. Genshin is open world rpg with 3d models, all big events are modifire your world, and it will take more server capacity to be always here. Sorry but its just simply waste of resources, especially because tons of people dont even care about this events.
The statue healing limit exist for Nilou main to troll the heck out of people in co-op
Nice job Necrit 👍
On point arguments and pijamas choice😅
yeah just wish i could say the same for league
Players going to Japan after seeing it through Inazuma and realizing that they have to go through the whole riotou questline in real life now
In conclusion, play the game the way you want to, don’t let others ruin your experience.
Genshin Impact story it's just spamming space bar to teleport to the next dialogue place and spam space bar again over 2 hours of boring n pain. And the late game content it's not playing the main game but instead mini cellphone games
12:42 this is very important: don't pull a character because people tell you it's strong, pull it because you like them. You can try the gameplay of every character while their banner is up by going in the "trials" in the event tab. Use it.
Yes i agree, for me its useless if the character maybe the strongest dps but your self can't deal with the gameplay....or its not your playstyle ...right, thats why there's trial for the character so you can test that character it suit your style or not
5:24 thank you so much for pointing this out