I’m a professional musician and writer/producer. Do a lot of intensive sound design… and the original Sega Genesis sounds SO DAMN GOOD. It’s why none of the official ports/emulations ever feel right to me. That sound engine is magic. I still feel blessed I got to be blown away by it back in the day :)
You are tripping if you think the original genesis sounds better than anything beyond the Saturn port (coming from a fellow musician producer even tho having ears is enough)
Lol everyone has their own tastes I have my own console favorites but I feel you Nelsonius I know from trying to emulate or make chipsounds very specific sound chips sound completely different have entirely different tone and feel and all of them are iconic for different reasons. Hearing a song you love on the wrong chipset can be jarring because many of them are unmistakable in personality not just wave shape but the limitations that define how they play like say how the nes couldn’t make true triangle wave so stepped them gradually creating a very specific sound adding a higher pitch to the triangle wave technically this is a flaw a limitation due to the jumps in steps effecting frequency as it’s not a pure triangle wave. But I mean artistically it’s the entire character of sound creating dozens of iconic songs and while someone would try to improve it others are trying to reverse engineer an accurate tone for chipsets.
Idk I ain't a professional but I always hated the Sega sound effects from many games the only one I can tolerate was sonic games except spinball. I prefer the snes over sega sounds effect and music from games.
@@mohamedaminekhadhraoui6417 I mean, we are talking about an inherently limited technology of it’s time. Top tier music professionals spent decades trying to overcome the noise and degradation of recording to tape… and now there are entire music genres dedicated to that low fidelity sound. I’d never argue that I want to listen to all my music through the Genesis audio hardware haha. But I do want to hear my genesis games sound just like that hardware did at the time. Primarily the music more than the SFX. All the official ports the music just sounds awful to me. It sounds like Windows 95 built in midi player and lacks the harmonic richness of the Genesis hardware. Just my preference, and nostalgia has a lot to do with it
@@linkpwnsevery1 I also much prefer nes and snes myself I love the Ricoh 2a03 sound chip in particular but some sega games sound great or better on the genesis like streets of rage and mortal kombat the snes port of mk1 isn’t very good and the music also doesn’t pump as much but I typically find the sega a bit to gritty and prefer the softer sounds of the Nintendo
While Frontiers leaves me feeling mixed about it, Origins on the other hand has me confidently hyped about it and its extra content. The fact that the classics are all made from the ground-up with Retro Engine and in 16:9 widescreen presentation and has a story mode with cutscenes connecting the games together makes things even better. It's looking to be a love-letter to Sonic fans while also being an excellent starting point for newcomers to the series.
Well, while frontiers was a much needed transition and breath of fresh air (OF THE WILD! lol), I did have a lot of fun with it, and I do think the open concept is excellent - the world was dead empty, the “puzzles” were absolutely soulless, and the fact that they left lore files stating how there was only supposed to be 3 islands as unlockables in the game without re-recording them, they reused island textures and landmarks from previous maps for the last two, and even reused Amy’s heart tokens on Sage’s island (and yes, I thought it was off she didn’t have her own tokens on the other hero’s islands, but at least that made some kind of sense) - it all just screams RUSHED. I don’t know why SEGA couldn’t see the potential here and given the team a little more time. That being said, the “puzzle” aspects should have been better figured out, and designed, even prior to implementation in the game whatsoever that’s not due to time constraint. Bouncing/catching balls, drawing circles, and quick stepping buttons just don’t mesh super well with Sonic, they’re not mechanics we’re used to or even fit with “speedy blur ball” physics and gameplay. Why not implement movement based puzzles? If they really wanted what they used, they could’ve been used to simply open doors or even the cyberspace portals. The fact that the main gameplay loop and “puzzles” are over simplified and given 4x the amount of time needed to complete them is borderline insulting lol. And I could definitely go on about the difficulty spike on the final island - out of literally nowhere - and how ridiculously obvious that padding was. All that being said - I still had a lot of fun and see so much potential here. I really hope Sega go on to commission Frontiers 2 with some better world-interaction, puzzles, and maybe even an npc, or an animal, or something other than empty space. SUCH potential here, and I’m really excited. I do also wish there was more to do in the end-game of Frontiers, but I just went ahead and started a fresh run file 🤷🏻♂️
Not sure if you dislike comparisons, but your videos give me the same comfy feeling I get watching dudes like Cybershell, just a person rambling about important Sonic info over sonic osts, and that feeling sure as hell kicked in when 'Evening Star' started playing
I welcome comparisons. Comparisons can be a useful shorthand to explain that you like something even if you struggle with specific reasons why. But anyone can say "I like X because it reminds me of Y."
Personally my main problem with Denuvo isn't that it can suck system resources like a vampire, it's that it requires online activation either every time you decide to launch the game, for every few weeks depending on how the developers set it up. Because once those activation servers turn off for good, and Sega decides not to update it to remove the drm, you ain't playing that game you spend your money on.
This did happen with Fallout 3, which for years required fanmade workarounds just to play because it used a dead DRM service called Games for Windows Live. The hope is that, like with Sonic Mania, Denuvo eventually gets removed. Unfortunately Denuvo isn't the extent of the problems with the collection, but its removal will go a long way towards improving the product for the people who bought it.
The edit icon on the character select icon is just a save complete icon, it can be seen right after that screenshot in the original trailer. It should also be noted that Headcannon only remade Sonic 3, they had no involvement with the actual Sonic Origins product. This is still a great video! Good job!
As great as it all sounds, I'll still wait on getting Origins. I've been a fan of Sonic ever since I got Sonic Heroes and Mega Collection and while I like that they've made the trilogy accessible in many platforms and now brings the definitive version for all four of them, I am feeling pretty burned out. With all the opportunities they have done with the genesis games, I felt like they could do the same with other Sonic games, such as a Remaster for the 3D Sonic games, or a trilogy collection with Sonic Advance. And the closest we got was them porting Sonic Heroes PS2 version on PS3.
I don't think us early 3D Sonic fans are ever going to get anything like this. a 3D Sonic, Advance or Rush collection getting the same treatment as the Classics with Origins would be so fire. It sucks that the 3D games don't get this kind of passion and I think it's about time they got it.
What they really need to do is make new games worth playing lol. Before pandering to more nostalgia, they really should make the character worth caring about again
My (mid 30s) perfect "Orgins Sequel" would be: Start somewhere in 2D with Sonic/Tails flying with birds/flickies, then slowly transition from 2D cutscene to "remastered" 3D blast intro. Then start with Sonic 3D (both soundtracks) but change the the goal design all together. Don't make collecting birds the requirement, make it a bonus like in Adventure1/2. The stages could then be creative to switch between overhead and 3D..... i don't know where I am going with that, but 3D blast era in an "anniversary mode" doesn't need to be too long of an adventure, but Sonic comes back to a threat after hearing about a blue water monster...que Sonic Adventure first mini boss before Emerald Coast zone. You can keep the original voice acting from Dreamcast but just brand new animations all together. This is when the big decision is made "which is the best Sonic 3D gaming engine of the modern era" -- this is why a project liek this is almost a full new game, not just a remake. SA 1 takes you to SA2 and from there well maybe we go back to that new 3DBlast overhead with Sonic Heroes and then Sonic Generations as the finale...only this time, the classic sonic stages, use the Origins/Mania retro engine for the 2D stages... so you then complete all early eras of sonic. What a huge project for Sega. Get to work!! Edit: A) make robot stages optional for SA1 & SA2 B) Maybe tails can keep the robot, but also hop out of it for SA2 stages? Make a beeper/whislte button to call the robot to him? vs..a pun to him always having to fly to sonic. C) Big removed from Main Adventure play but unlockable D) Shadow unlockable to be played on Sonic Adventure 1 stages and maybe others E) Knuckles finding chaos emerald needs to be really touched up. Either a better radar/dig system or new goals all together with bonus of finding emerals. Maybe he only needs to find "one" piece randomly placed else where and then 2 other super hidden ones help him get chaos/super skills later. F) Make an easter egg that Wind Valley music from SA1 is the same as the beginning of this game Sonic 3D Blast Stage 1.
@@framedthunder6436 highly unlikely, these are ports first and foremost, they're not gonna make new assets for a re-release of a game, besides the new ui to get into said games.
For as much as they've used Amy in the marketing for classic games, you'd think they'd have added her as a character. They did this with Mania too, it's very weird.
It's been confirmed that they'll use music from the prototype of Sonic 3 to replace the work that involved Michael Jackson. Those are from Carnival Night, Icecap and Launch Base zones. People who played the "Sonic & Knuckles Collection" will recognize them immediately as they were used there. They also confirmed that they are working those pieces of music to sound like they should've sounded in the Megadrive. It's actually a big deal because we are going to see sonic 3 & Knuckles as it was supposed to be released originally before Michael Jackson came in and before they decided to split the game in 2. I'm very excited to see it!!
Ian Flynn wasn’t writing the Archie comics before the brink of cancellation, he was involved with it for almost a decade! But he was the one to try to get things back on track and clean up the mess left by precious writers so he should be given MORE credit where it’s due!
so there was new Origins footage today. the "edit" icon next to Sonic's player sprite at 18:57 is actually an icon showing that a save file is in progress for that character, and not that Sonic's sprite was swapped out.
Nice to have you back. Considering the names involved in this that you've brought to the limelight, youve convinced me to buy this when iy comes out. Looking forward to the next one!
I already knew Sonic Origins was going to be better than the other ports of the classic games, but this video really puts it into the correct perspective. Awesome! 👍
@@artycharr As if getting people to digitally remaster decades old film and music from hardware notoriously hard to work with doesn't take money and effort to do? On top of brand new animations made specifically for the collection?
So... this is what you guys are going to do for the next 20 years? 2D sonic remixes??? im even surprised that something so safe, redundant, and predictable is still popular
If it was good back then, it will be good for all time. But no, this is not what they're doing for the next 20 years and I have no idea where you got that from
I’m glad you’re hyped too!! Truthfully, I just wanna play 3&Knuckles and CD on my Switch. I love these games so much, and any extra goodies in the features are just a bonus. Plus, it’s got the drop dash. c: it’s hard to be mad at the drop dash.
Don't care who's behind the remakes; locking extras behind preorder and deluxe edition pay walls and delisting legal copies of older releases put me right off the entire collection.
@@DukeApples The price isn't the issue; it's the selling of extras separate from the release, some exclusive to preorder, and taking the older releases off the market. It's scummy marketing
Sonic Origins doesn't have Ice Cap Zone music so it's an immediate inferior release for me. That they're delisting Sonic 3 from the 360 meaning nobody can easily obtain an original version of Sonic 3 just makes this more sour and mean spirited. If they kept both available it would be more palatable.
Hot dang, this is exponentially more impressive than I ever would have thought. I'm a very casual Sonic fan, but I might actually buy this. I only wish it had games like Knuckles Chaotix.
Maybe some day. I know Taxman (Christian Whitehead) has mentioned giving that game a Retro Engine remaster before. Sonic CD was a relatively obscure classic Sonic game when Sega ok’d it for remaster. So maybe it could just be its own remaster some day
@@bradenhogan2 Sonic CD wasn't obscure it was given a PC Version, the Intro & End Themes were in Mega Collection, & then it was 1 of the 3 Big Highlighted games in Gems Collection along with Sonic R & Sonic the Fighters. CD was famous & quite sought after 19 years ago among the GameCube playing Sonic Fans & some believe it to be the reason Gems Collection even exists just to satisfy our desire for it & more Classic Sonic Games that weren't in Mega Collection. As for Knuckles Chaotix it is famous for how insanely hard it is to access & for introducing Team Chaotix!
@@WaterKirby1994 Sonic Gems Collection was literally a collection of “hidden gems” (aka lesser known/played Sonic games), hence the name “Sonic Gems Collection.” Sonic was not exclusive to Sega consoles anymore, so he was given a collection to introduce a new audience to games they might not have tried before. Exactly. Knuckles’ Chaotix is known for how few people even played it
@@WaterKirby1994 I forget where, but Christian Whitehead himself has talked about this before, saying that Sonic CD Remastered would be an opportunity for old Sonic fans to play a classic game they might have missed in the classic era
The price isn’t steep at all. You spent 20 minutes talking about all the talent behind this project, how it’s rebuilt from the ground up using Retro Engine instead of just lazy emulation, and then you have newly animated cutscenes, missions, and probably other extras we don’t know about yet. When you consider what separates this collection from $20-25 collections of lazy emulation, the price is easily justified. It’s a more premium collection for a more premium price
@@Sydney_Angelyt but what separates this from those collections? I don’t care about what makes this similar to other products, the value is in what makes it different. Don’t just take for granted the animations, the 3D models, the Mission Mode, the extras, the fact that Sonic 3 & Knuckles hasn’t been released in over a decade and had to be remastered by the highly skilled Sonic code expert Simon Thomley along with help from others, presumably along with having to have had its music situation sorted out somehow (be it through licensing/legal fees or through implementing the prototype music or through having to contract someone to make new music), etc. This was all work and money. More work and money than has been put into any of those collections you’re thinking of. Does that not make this a more premium product than those? Therefore, stands to reason that a more premium product deserves a more premium price. Let me help you account for the price: Let’s start with a baseline. I’m using USD and U.S. price listings because that’s what I’m familiar with. Keep in mind the game costs $40 USD for standard edition, $45 deluxe. My guess is that if emulated ROMs with barebones menu and little-no extras of these games were dumped onto digital stores, it would be ~$5/game. That lines up with other games on the digital market (Ex: Double Dragon NES). $5•5 games (counting S3 and &K as separate as they are easily twice as long as S1 and I imagine twice as costly to remaster) = $25. That also checks out with similar emulated collections (Ex: Castlevania Classic Collection, Mega Man Legacy Collections) which fall around the same price. So JUST the games, NOT remastered, would be reasonably worth ~$25 in my estimation. That leaves ~$15 to account for ($20 if you count DLC). NOW consider those new animated cutscenes, the Mission Mode, the fact that these were remastered from the ground up for a new engine, and all the other extra stuff this collection has to offer. Is all that which separates this collection from the pack worth $15-20 extra? It is for me. And if you say it isn’t for you, then you tell Sega, “don’t put this much effort into projects in the future, I’d much prefer something cheaper and more similar to everything else you’ve made before please”
The biggest problem with Denuvo is that it makes piracy the defacto best way to play the game since they remove it altogether. I won't pirate Sonic Origins and I hope no one else here does, but my point stands that it is pretty silly we have to pay for a worse version of the game
Not too fond of the lack of options in Origins, honestly. This is $40, and not only are lives permanently disabled in Anniversary mode, but Knuckles isn't playable in Sonic CD. I'll still probably get this game once the physical release comes out (let's be real, that's inevitable considering Mania got one) but I feel like this is going to be a hard sell for a lot of people, especially considering the PC version comes with Denuvo DRM. I also don't like how they're delisting all the old versions, but not giving the option to play the Genesis versions in Origins. THAT'S what the "Original" mode should've been, not just lives and cropped 4:3.
The direction they're going with the game is quite odd, while I don't mind Knuckles' abscense in CD, it makes for an inconsistent collection due to the version of the engine being different and SEGA not tinkering much with the games themselves, and also HC working only in 3K as well. All of the budget seemed to be spent on the cutscenes and presentation, and while they look great, I still wish they could've invested on the ports themselves, since they look kinda there in comparison to the other stuff. Not to mention pricing, DRM for PC and delisting like you said. I'd really like to buy this, but spending +200 bucks for the base version for me is a big no for what they're offering.
I wish they included the Sonic Advance games to make the price worth it. Or at least ditch the whole "buy this version or another of Origins to get wide-screen and other bonus features etc" and simply sell us a single version with all features included at a logical price.
I can't believe they got someone from Discotek Media to clean up the intro/outro for Sonic CD! If the remaster of Project A-ko is anything to go off of, Sonic CD fans(myself included) are in for a real treat!
18:51 The edit-looking icon might just be to denote that you've cleared the game, as it also appears with the "CLEAR!" message underneath as seen in the trailer. Sonic using his Sonic 2 sprite in Sonic 1's character select is interesting, but the recently released Sega footage (that confirmed the Drop Dash) shows that selecting him like that just has you playing as regular S1 Sonic (unless there's some sneaky editing trickery going on there). This seems to just be a confounding error of using one S2 Sonic to represent him generally throughout the 4 games, even though that's specifically not even consistent with the S1 sprites used in the My Data & Ranking section of the game. Remember, they're not giving Knuckles new sprites to make him playable (in part) in Sonic CD.
What pisses me off is that other fans have passion for different games and SEGA is the only one acknowledging them and letting them take the wheel. Sad.
This is almost a new game. A redefined code from the original takes time and resources as said on the video. Thank you for this video, really. I am a day-one buyer too. And.. let's hope now that Sonic Mania 2 or Sonic 5 might be on the hands of this incredible and talented team, they are Sega now, let's hope they wanna be startin' something' (Yes Michael Jackson ref) xD
I did not think that this much talent was being put into this, even if I knew about the anniversary editions being put in. I am curious about the games you mentioned these developers work on that aren't as high profile and unrelated to sonic.
Excellent video, man! I'd honestly say the only thing I "worry" (and I use that word so very lightly here) about is the music from Sonic 3, only cause... Some of those themes are just absolutely irreplaceable to me. Other than that, I'm actually fine with the price, but it's the 2007 Ubisoft Sales Model they seem to be going with that actually bugs me. Like, don't make me read a chart to buy a game aha. Regardless though, still gonna end up grabbing it Day 1. Also good to see you make a video again, man.
As someone who has S3AIR, S1F, and S2A, what’s my motivation for spending $60 on this? I love the art and new story mode, and the challenges seem interesting. But it just doesn’t seem worth it
In a normal scenario, I'd be all for supporting the companies for an official product even with fan projects, especially since Origins looks kinda neat for what it's offering. We're finally playing Stealth's remakes on proper hardware and that's awesome. However, not only SEGA could've done much more with the compilation, but their marketing practices really hurt the product, overpricing and locking content behind a deluxe edition is just awful, not to mention other factors like the raise in price of Sonic's titles in other countries. I'm not really fond of Forever and Absolute, rather play the original phone titles, but I admire their work of refreshing these titles with their standards, something SEGA could've done with not much issues and just don't want to.
@Alex Garner excluding the "hardcore" stuff (I don't like when people label themselves because it sounds really elitist), I do agree that SEGA is just filling a quota and saw this as a good opportunity. Origins being a starting point isn't a bad thing too, people who saw the movie could come to it and play to see how things were back then, and I'm all for a casual mode (with some rewards with that), I just feel like they should also make lives a choice for Anniversary too. Things are looking strange, but I do hope Origins look solid at least, something I can't say about (fan projects with) the decomps unfortunately.
Short story long, Sonic 1 (16-Bit) is Sonic 1, Part 1. Sonic 1 (8-Bit), is Sonic 1, Part 2. Sonic 2 (8-Bit) is Sonic 2, Part 1. Sonic 2 (16-Bit) is Sonic 2, Part 2. Sonic CD is Sonic 2, Part 3. Sonic 3 is Sonic 3, Part 1. Sonic & Knuckles is Sonic 3, Part 2. Sonic 3 & Knuckles/Sonic 3 Complete is the full version of Sonic 3. And Sonic Mania/Sonic Mania Plus is the true Sonic 4. Sonic's first robotic doppelganger was Mecha Sonic Mark 1 in Sonic 2 (8-Bit), Sonic's second robotic doppelganger was Mecha Sonic Mark 2 in Sonic 2 (16-Bit), Sonic's third robotic doppelganger was Metal Sonic in Sonic CD and Sonic's final robotic doppelganger was Mecha Sonic Mark 3 in the Sonic 3 series.
Denuvo seems sooo unnecessary, especially for these types of games fueled by fans... I will get it but will probably wait for a physical version (like i did with mania). Great video btw :)
I'm going to pass for now, between the weird tiered editions and the lack of a physical release.(I'm allergic to digital-only unless it's DRM-free and easy to back up.) But given all the love that was put into this, and the convenience of having them on Switch and not having to hook up the Wii for the Mega and Gems collections, I'll definitely be giving it a second look when the all-but-inevitable physical release comes out. Great video, Blaze. Certainly up to your usual high standards. And it's nice to see some positivity given... [gestures broadly at everything] Just one question: What emulated version of Sonic 2 were you using for the audio comparison? It sounded too much like music to be the ATGames mini I have. :P
Everything was set up to create the best collection of these past games. Nothing should have been possible to mess up. The worst we could have expected is to get something only a little better than past emulations. To do worse than them would have taken effort from people holding unfathomable levels of incompetence or spite for the series. And now we're here in the present where we know that's just what happened. I did not realise how upsetting it would be to watch a video like this with the knowledge we have now. This is an amazingly depressing video to watch.
1. Sonic 3&K hasn't seen any ports in a very long time. Its actually gotten rarer than Sonic CD. 2. If this really is the retro engine I hope they fixed the time travel in Sonic CD. Retro engine broke it making traveling to the past in certain levels nearly impossible.
While Origins is looking good from the trailers, I just can't get the thought out of my head that SEGA could've also improved the games themselves, rather than adding external additions like mission mode, story animations and a mirror mode (which is also a feature in the Genesis collection) It's not only overpriced for what it offers, it's also overpriced for some countries like mine due to the absurd raise in Sonic games for some reason, and this is something I don't see much people talking about. While dollar is the norm for gaming, not every country can experience this game like they could before. While Sonic Mania got released here in Brazil for R$36,99 (currently R$99,99 by the way), base Origins will come out at R$214,99, and this is jarring to say the least. Another point people bring on about is Knuckles in CD, while I agree it's not a big deal to leave him behind, his exclusion leaves for an uneven product, which might be due to the different versions of the engine (CD runs on v3, 1&2 on v4, and 3K on v5). There is going to be the inclusion of the drop dash at least, but I think they could've updated the existing remakes to port to the newer versions of the engine to make for a "balanced" collection. I do appreciate the extra flair and presentation, but I'd also wish they could tweak the games themselves (or maybe get HeadCannon again for that instead), because I'm honestly afraid it might end up like a Colors Ultimate situation. Don't get me wrong, playing these remakes AND 3K on proper hardware running on the Retro Engine is awesome, but I feel like SEGA's just putting these together and spent their budget on 3K's porting and the extra stuff, with not much attention on the games with the information as of now. I hope I'm wrong, but sometimes it feels like SEGA is just treating Sonic as their cashcow and not doing much with it, just outsorcing things and not giving much attention with what's coming up (like in Colors Ultimate where it looked like they didn't give a damn about how Blind Squirrel was developing the port), especially since they're the ones wrapping the collection this time.
@Alex Garner People currently are with the eye on SEGA, at least with the Colors Ultimate fiasco, not much with Origins due to the games having a better rep compared to it. They just aren't being harsh because the product seems to be pleasing them, and honestly, that's no problem, people do what they want with their money, especially if they weren't affected by the price raising. If they weren't charging as much and being overprotective with the PC version regarding Denuvo, I wouldn't be giving that much doubt, because I know these games are good. Even if it was a barebones port like the decomps it would be fine for me. But they are making this a big deal, which gives us the right to question what is going on. I don't think Origins will turn out bad, at least not Colors Ultimate bad, I just don't think they're giving the product that much attention for what they're advertising.
@Alex Garner exactly why I'm not a sucker for this crap! I've already spent my hard earned money on their games 20+ years ago and will just stick to playing them... most of these remixes are nice but don't really add much of a change for it where I feel tempted to buy it
Pre-ordered this collection as soon as I could and waiting for the release day. The fact that as I looked at the footage of Sonic 1&2, I saw they were the Retro Engine versions had made me happy that I can finally play these on a proper TV. Without a bunch of annoying steps (not going into phone emulation on PC, that is a pain on my end!) Only real problem on my end is the lack of a physical edition. If we do end up losing the Sonic 3 soundtrack, it will suck but I can move on. Then again they may end up having something going on that we may not know of. An example that I think could happen is: at first it will have the new soundtrack. After the sales Sega could pay some of the composers (or some other legal action, like a compromise) and the old soundtrack could come back (most likely a paid DLC) as a toggleable option.
@@BlazeHedgehog Do you really feel the audio quality of Sonic 3 is on point? I don't mean the replaced tracks, I mean the actual general quality. It sounds like it's a speaker muffled through a cushion.
@@BlazeHedgehog Well I still have my copy of Sonic 3 on the Genesis & it sounds clearer & higher quality sound then it does on Origins, which is worrying.
As much as I love Sonic and want this collection, for me (brazilian) R$240 is 20% of my salary (minimum) and also I have bills to pay lol. I'll just wait for a sale
As a fellow BR, I really see no reason to buy this collection as is. It's a slap in the face for a company that used to recognize its fanbase, and also pricing the games fairly. Raising Sonic Mania as an example from 37 bucks to 100 (more than 100% of a raise!) is just shady, along the fact that Brazil wasn't the only country that got affected by this, and I don't see this covered often. Unfortunately, I'd rather stick to the phone versions of 1&2, and CD's PC version (officially at least). Even if they don't have Origins' extra flair, they work for what they offer for an accessible price, at least until SEGA axes these versions like they're doing with CD and the original Genesis titles, which just feels even more shady.
@@livia_sz Hope so, don't know if it'll make much difference since discount percentage is global. It might be cheaper, but I think it'll still be quite expensive for us.
Fantastic video! It shows how much work and care you put into the script and editing. Really well paced segments and doesn’t feel bloated or rant-y like a lot of video essays fall into. Good job, mang.
Now sonic origins has only 4 games because it's using sonic 3 & knuckles, but it used to be 5 games because sonic 3 & sonic & knuckles were seperate, it doesn't really matter though, i just remember that
I think what a lot of people forget is that this compation is to be a definitive version (hence delisting of old versions) it is to give people, particularly newbies the best experience and consequently increasing value in the brand. On price too, a higher end price signals higher quality rather than being seen as budget entry / another crappy port.
so we have confirmation that the MJ tracks are indeed being replaced with new compositions of the prototype tracks by jun senoue, so definitely interested in hearing how those sound
If you ask me, if Origins takes off and Frontiers tanks the same way Mania took off and Forces tanked, I'd consider that a pretty strong mandate as to the future of the Sonic series. That's the point where, if I were a SEGA executive, I would seriously consider disbanding Sonic Team for good, indefinitely shelving new 3D Sonic games, and officially handing the series over to the fans to make 2D, Mania-style games, eventually bringing back 3D Sonic under the fandom's reins. Sonic is one of those franchises where the fans have been its primary source of TLC while the official dev team mistreats it time and time again. As far as I'm concerned, Frontiers _should_ be Sonic Team's last chance to redeem itself before it gets blown up.
While all of this is awesome, I can't help but feel sad that the Classics are always guaranteed to receive top quality treatment in their preservation while the Adventure games still remain stuck with their horrible ports that only got worse over time. I really wish SEGA or even a group of fans cared enough to give those games that kind of treatment, since they REALLY need a definitive version after so many years of damage with each new port. (Specially Adventure 1) My best hope is that Origins at least opens the possibility of SEGA giving more Sonic games the chance of getting proper definitive versions. I hope this doesn't sound too wrong, but I would appreciate a lot if the Classic games weren't the only ones who (understandibly, because they do deserve it) got this special treatment.
I agree. The Adventure games need to have proper justice done to them. They're both good games that have been done a massive disservice. The ports make them look clunky but the original Dreamcast versions make the games look ahead of their time and are still impressive to this day.
I think the only flaw is how, for some reason, the Brad Buxter/Michael Jackson Tracks are in the sound Library but not in the Zones themselves? Is it because all the tracks are their remastered versions for Sonic 1, 2 and CD? Would they need to pay Brad Buxter royalties for remastering said tracks? How come they were allowed to use said tracks for the Library then? I'm not too certain on how the Prototype tracks would sound, especially since I can't imagine them sounding remotely good even with a MegaDrive chip, but who knows. Outside of that, I'm looking forward to Origins since I already have Sonic 1, 2 and CD on Android(CD is broken for me on steam and I don't know why). So I'm glad to finally have access to all 4 classic games.
Seeing those cartoon animations in Sonic Origins makes me wish they were doing a Monkey Island r Monster Boy remasters and have these games drawn to look like those animations.
Here's what I think sonic orgins matter because it is going to be a big game when it releases tons of mods for the game is going to be a fun game with mods support DLC: metal amy ray and mighty Update: mod support cheats support
My opinion going into this, is that I have Mega Collection Plus, I don't care about CD that much, Mega Collection Plus does its job at giving me all the classic sonic I want, plus more, in the game gear games. The only collection I'll consider is an advance trilogy plus rush trilogy collection, preferably with additional titles such as game gear games, rivals, or even the 3ds games-a true portable collection!(minus Dark Brotherhood). Ah, imagine that. Just raw, big, bulky, meaty, content. The 3ds games aren't even that good, they'd mostly just be there for anyone who ignored them. Which I've ignored 3ds Lost World, seen it, not for me on its own. Just, really focussing that rush + advance though, that's the core good stuff. Not two collections, just one. Unless they do two as (Advance + Game Gear), (Rush + Generations, Lost World, and Rivals and/or Boom). I'd accept that. I don't particularly care about the heights of soundfont, latency, incredible frame rates, or the bonus flavour town of those tails in CD stuff. Nice? Yes. Preferable to another game in my collection? No. A sound room and maybe an art room is pleasant additions that's about the depths I can hope for a collection of the magnitude I desire.
It amazes me that sonic 1 alone has been released on so many different consoles same with sonic 2 and cd sonic 3 and sonic and knuckles also have a decent amount of re-releases but nearly as much this re-release of course obviously will count as it's most recent release because it hasn't seen a re-release in a long time the last time it ever got re-released was on sonic classic collection so this in my opinion is definitely a collection worth picking up
Well, I wouldn't mind the pricetag if they included a graphics option to play those games with the visuals shown in the titlescreen (19:24). Even though I grew up with these games, those graphics at the time were because of hardware-constraints. It does have it sharm, but this would be a great time to see those same games without pixels. Like it was done with Streets of Rage 4, Wonder Boy, ... . As especially Wonder Boy: The Dragon's Trap showed, you can easily swap the graphics on the fly.
These touch ups are nice, but overall just icing that most people will likely ignore. I'll support it on a sale, but definitely not for a retail that high. We got a team of folks remaking Sonic 2 HD and yet SEGA just gives us the same pixels we've seen for years along with a few sound effects that are more "accurate". If people are that bothered by how the sign sounds when it spins at the end of a level, they're giving attention to things that don't actually make a big difference (it's like 3 seconds lol).
I’m a professional musician and writer/producer. Do a lot of intensive sound design… and the original Sega Genesis sounds SO DAMN GOOD. It’s why none of the official ports/emulations ever feel right to me. That sound engine is magic. I still feel blessed I got to be blown away by it back in the day :)
You are tripping if you think the original genesis sounds better than anything beyond the Saturn port (coming from a fellow musician producer even tho having ears is enough)
Lol everyone has their own tastes I have my own console favorites but I feel you Nelsonius I know from trying to emulate or make chipsounds very specific sound chips sound completely different have entirely different tone and feel and all of them are iconic for different reasons. Hearing a song you love on the wrong chipset can be jarring because many of them are unmistakable in personality not just wave shape but the limitations that define how they play like say how the nes couldn’t make true triangle wave so stepped them gradually creating a very specific sound adding a higher pitch to the triangle wave technically this is a flaw a limitation due to the jumps in steps effecting frequency as it’s not a pure triangle wave. But I mean artistically it’s the entire character of sound creating dozens of iconic songs and while someone would try to improve it others are trying to reverse engineer an accurate tone for chipsets.
Idk I ain't a professional but I always hated the Sega sound effects from many games the only one I can tolerate was sonic games except spinball. I prefer the snes over sega sounds effect and music from games.
@@mohamedaminekhadhraoui6417 I mean, we are talking about an inherently limited technology of it’s time. Top tier music professionals spent decades trying to overcome the noise and degradation of recording to tape… and now there are entire music genres dedicated to that low fidelity sound. I’d never argue that I want to listen to all my music through the Genesis audio hardware haha. But I do want to hear my genesis games sound just like that hardware did at the time. Primarily the music more than the SFX. All the official ports the music just sounds awful to me. It sounds like Windows 95 built in midi player and lacks the harmonic richness of the Genesis hardware. Just my preference, and nostalgia has a lot to do with it
@@linkpwnsevery1 I also much prefer nes and snes myself I love the Ricoh 2a03 sound chip in particular but some sega games sound great or better on the genesis like streets of rage and mortal kombat the snes port of mk1 isn’t very good and the music also doesn’t pump as much but I typically find the sega a bit to gritty and prefer the softer sounds of the Nintendo
Sonic origins is a game
r/technicallythetruth
@@sephiroth6946 no not technically
just the truth
Well actually 🤓 sonic origins is a collection of games
@@pockitsune6347 those are games. Checkmate
@@sephiroth6946 Yeah exactly, games not game 🤯
8:32 I see what you did there. 💥
Love your metroid vids, I might re-binge it
The old legends are the best legends.
I don’t get it either
What did he do? WHAT DID HE DO??
0/10 didn't crash the game
While Frontiers leaves me feeling mixed about it, Origins on the other hand has me confidently hyped about it and its extra content. The fact that the classics are all made from the ground-up with Retro Engine and in 16:9 widescreen presentation and has a story mode with cutscenes connecting the games together makes things even better. It's looking to be a love-letter to Sonic fans while also being an excellent starting point for newcomers to the series.
ARE YOU SURE ABOUT THAT?
@@AUGMENTEDGAMING Yes, since I'm personally enjoying this collection so far.
Well, while frontiers was a much needed transition and breath of fresh air (OF THE WILD! lol), I did have a lot of fun with it, and I do think the open concept is excellent - the world was dead empty, the “puzzles” were absolutely soulless, and the fact that they left lore files stating how there was only supposed to be 3 islands as unlockables in the game without re-recording them, they reused island textures and landmarks from previous maps for the last two, and even reused Amy’s heart tokens on Sage’s island (and yes, I thought it was off she didn’t have her own tokens on the other hero’s islands, but at least that made some kind of sense) - it all just screams RUSHED.
I don’t know why SEGA couldn’t see the potential here and given the team a little more time. That being said, the “puzzle” aspects should have been better figured out, and designed, even prior to implementation in the game whatsoever that’s not due to time constraint. Bouncing/catching balls, drawing circles, and quick stepping buttons just don’t mesh super well with Sonic, they’re not mechanics we’re used to or even fit with “speedy blur ball” physics and gameplay. Why not implement movement based puzzles? If they really wanted what they used, they could’ve been used to simply open doors or even the cyberspace portals. The fact that the main gameplay loop and “puzzles” are over simplified and given 4x the amount of time needed to complete them is borderline insulting lol.
And I could definitely go on about the difficulty spike on the final island - out of literally nowhere - and how ridiculously obvious that padding was.
All that being said - I still had a lot of fun and see so much potential here. I really hope Sega go on to commission Frontiers 2 with some better world-interaction, puzzles, and maybe even an npc, or an animal, or something other than empty space. SUCH potential here, and I’m really excited.
I do also wish there was more to do in the end-game of Frontiers, but I just went ahead and started a fresh run file 🤷🏻♂️
always happy to see a new blazehedgehog video. your voice is really nice to listen to as well!
Not sure if you dislike comparisons, but your videos give me the same comfy feeling I get watching dudes like Cybershell, just a person rambling about important Sonic info over sonic osts, and that feeling sure as hell kicked in when 'Evening Star' started playing
I welcome comparisons. Comparisons can be a useful shorthand to explain that you like something even if you struggle with specific reasons why. But anyone can say "I like X because it reminds me of Y."
Personally my main problem with Denuvo isn't that it can suck system resources like a vampire, it's that it requires online activation either every time you decide to launch the game, for every few weeks depending on how the developers set it up. Because once those activation servers turn off for good, and Sega decides not to update it to remove the drm, you ain't playing that game you spend your money on.
It's almost like you get punished for buying the game.
This did happen with Fallout 3, which for years required fanmade workarounds just to play because it used a dead DRM service called Games for Windows Live. The hope is that, like with Sonic Mania, Denuvo eventually gets removed. Unfortunately Denuvo isn't the extent of the problems with the collection, but its removal will go a long way towards improving the product for the people who bought it.
The edit icon on the character select icon is just a save complete icon, it can be seen right after that screenshot in the original trailer. It should also be noted that Headcannon only remade Sonic 3, they had no involvement with the actual Sonic Origins product. This is still a great video! Good job!
is that confirmed? I think that it's a sprite select option, Sonic has different sprites in every classic game
@@KC.086 from the footage released by Sega Korea, elaborating and confirming that it is the save complete icon, it is practically confirmed.
As great as it all sounds, I'll still wait on getting Origins. I've been a fan of Sonic ever since I got Sonic Heroes and Mega Collection and while I like that they've made the trilogy accessible in many platforms and now brings the definitive version for all four of them, I am feeling pretty burned out. With all the opportunities they have done with the genesis games, I felt like they could do the same with other Sonic games, such as a Remaster for the 3D Sonic games, or a trilogy collection with Sonic Advance. And the closest we got was them porting Sonic Heroes PS2 version on PS3.
I don't think us early 3D Sonic fans are ever going to get anything like this. a 3D Sonic, Advance or Rush collection getting the same treatment as the Classics with Origins would be so fire.
It sucks that the 3D games don't get this kind of passion and I think it's about time they got it.
What they really need to do is make new games worth playing lol. Before pandering to more nostalgia, they really should make the character worth caring about again
Ya, a remake of the Sonic Advance trilogy would be nice. Maybe that is next?
My (mid 30s) perfect "Orgins Sequel" would be: Start somewhere in 2D with Sonic/Tails flying with birds/flickies, then slowly transition from 2D cutscene to "remastered" 3D blast intro. Then start with Sonic 3D (both soundtracks) but change the the goal design all together. Don't make collecting birds the requirement, make it a bonus like in Adventure1/2. The stages could then be creative to switch between overhead and 3D..... i don't know where I am going with that, but 3D blast era in an "anniversary mode" doesn't need to be too long of an adventure, but Sonic comes back to a threat after hearing about a blue water monster...que Sonic Adventure first mini boss before Emerald Coast zone. You can keep the original voice acting from Dreamcast but just brand new animations all together. This is when the big decision is made "which is the best Sonic 3D gaming engine of the modern era" -- this is why a project liek this is almost a full new game, not just a remake. SA 1 takes you to SA2 and from there well maybe we go back to that new 3DBlast overhead with Sonic Heroes and then Sonic Generations as the finale...only this time, the classic sonic stages, use the Origins/Mania retro engine for the 2D stages... so you then complete all early eras of sonic. What a huge project for Sega. Get to work!!
Edit:
A) make robot stages optional for SA1 & SA2
B) Maybe tails can keep the robot, but also hop out of it for SA2 stages? Make a beeper/whislte button to call the robot to him? vs..a pun to him always having to fly to sonic.
C) Big removed from Main Adventure play but unlockable
D) Shadow unlockable to be played on Sonic Adventure 1 stages and maybe others
E) Knuckles finding chaos emerald needs to be really touched up. Either a better radar/dig system or new goals all together with bonus of finding emerals. Maybe he only needs to find "one" piece randomly placed else where and then 2 other super hidden ones help him get chaos/super skills later.
F) Make an easter egg that Wind Valley music from SA1 is the same as the beginning of this game Sonic 3D Blast Stage 1.
Great video! I really enjoyed the section highlighting a chunk of the folks working on the collection.
This collection would have been great if they added an "Encore" mode with new levels, new color palettes and higher difficulty.
Maybe as a DLC
@@framedthunder6436 highly unlikely, these are ports first and foremost, they're not gonna make new assets for a re-release of a game, besides the new ui to get into said games.
For as much as they've used Amy in the marketing for classic games, you'd think they'd have added her as a character. They did this with Mania too, it's very weird.
@@CRAgamerI think the joke went over your head, there, buddy…
@@shannonhill3356 that's impossible. I would have seen it and caught it. Nothing goes over my head.
It's been confirmed that they'll use music from the prototype of Sonic 3 to replace the work that involved Michael Jackson. Those are from Carnival Night, Icecap and Launch Base zones. People who played the "Sonic & Knuckles Collection" will recognize them immediately as they were used there. They also confirmed that they are working those pieces of music to sound like they should've sounded in the Megadrive. It's actually a big deal because we are going to see sonic 3 & Knuckles as it was supposed to be released originally before Michael Jackson came in and before they decided to split the game in 2. I'm very excited to see it!!
Sadly, the Prototype tracks sounded a lot better than what we actually got in Sonic Origins.
Ian Flynn wasn’t writing the Archie comics before the brink of cancellation, he was involved with it for almost a decade! But he was the one to try to get things back on track and clean up the mess left by precious writers so he should be given MORE credit where it’s due!
This is a really well made video! This is the type of quality I’d expect from a youtuber with 100k+ subscribers, but you delivered. Subscribed.
so there was new Origins footage today. the "edit" icon next to Sonic's player sprite at 18:57 is actually an icon showing that a save file is in progress for that character, and not that Sonic's sprite was swapped out.
It’s sad to see how this turned out
It looks like a great collection and the extras are very exciting to me. I'm 35 and I've got these games many times over.
me looking at the live chat:
*MOM, THAT'S ME! I'M ON TV!*
Nice to have you back. Considering the names involved in this that you've brought to the limelight, youve convinced me to buy this when iy comes out. Looking forward to the next one!
I contacted neko productions to make a mini series of Sonic Origins
I already knew Sonic Origins was going to be better than the other ports of the classic games, but this video really puts it into the correct perspective. Awesome! 👍
Would've been cool if they got Masato Nakamura to do a whole new Sonic 3 soundtrack.
Would have been cool, but then that would have made it a remaster
@@jujuondatshhhhh That's fine.
@@jujuondatshhhhh that would have taken money and effort, this is SEGA.
@@artycharr As if getting people to digitally remaster decades old film and music from hardware notoriously hard to work with doesn't take money and effort to do? On top of brand new animations made specifically for the collection?
So... this is what you guys are going to do for the next 20 years? 2D sonic remixes??? im even surprised that something so safe, redundant, and predictable is still popular
If it was good back then, it will be good for all time. But no, this is not what they're doing for the next 20 years and I have no idea where you got that from
I’m glad you’re hyped too!! Truthfully, I just wanna play 3&Knuckles and CD on my Switch. I love these games so much, and any extra goodies in the features are just a bonus. Plus, it’s got the drop dash. c: it’s hard to be mad at the drop dash.
Don't care who's behind the remakes; locking extras behind preorder and deluxe edition pay walls and delisting legal copies of older releases put me right off the entire collection.
Thats a very weak reason to not get the sonic collection. If anything its too cheap, it should be 100$ atleast.
@@DukeApples No.
@@DukeApples The price isn't the issue; it's the selling of extras separate from the release, some exclusive to preorder, and taking the older releases off the market. It's scummy marketing
@@herrice3227 stop crying about the price.
@@DukeApples "the price isn't the issue"
Sonic 3 AIR overshadows the Sonic 3&K from Origins.
Sonic Origins doesn't have Ice Cap Zone music so it's an immediate inferior release for me. That they're delisting Sonic 3 from the 360 meaning nobody can easily obtain an original version of Sonic 3 just makes this more sour and mean spirited.
If they kept both available it would be more palatable.
You have single handedly made me love Sonic Origins even more 😊
This entire video is a justification for the price of this game, holy moly what an Allstar cast of professionals.
Exactly smh
*Sonic Origins actually comes out*
Welp...
Hot dang, this is exponentially more impressive than I ever would have thought. I'm a very casual Sonic fan, but I might actually buy this. I only wish it had games like Knuckles Chaotix.
Maybe some day. I know Taxman (Christian Whitehead) has mentioned giving that game a Retro Engine remaster before. Sonic CD was a relatively obscure classic Sonic game when Sega ok’d it for remaster. So maybe it could just be its own remaster some day
@@bradenhogan2 Sonic CD wasn't obscure it was given a PC Version, the Intro & End Themes were in Mega Collection, & then it was 1 of the 3 Big Highlighted games in Gems Collection along with Sonic R & Sonic the Fighters. CD was famous & quite sought after 19 years ago among the GameCube playing Sonic Fans & some believe it to be the reason Gems Collection even exists just to satisfy our desire for it & more Classic Sonic Games that weren't in Mega Collection. As for Knuckles Chaotix it is famous for how insanely hard it is to access & for introducing Team Chaotix!
@@WaterKirby1994 Sonic Gems Collection was literally a collection of “hidden gems” (aka lesser known/played Sonic games), hence the name “Sonic Gems Collection.” Sonic was not exclusive to Sega consoles anymore, so he was given a collection to introduce a new audience to games they might not have tried before.
Exactly. Knuckles’ Chaotix is known for how few people even played it
@@WaterKirby1994 I forget where, but Christian Whitehead himself has talked about this before, saying that Sonic CD Remastered would be an opportunity for old Sonic fans to play a classic game they might have missed in the classic era
The price isn’t steep at all. You spent 20 minutes talking about all the talent behind this project, how it’s rebuilt from the ground up using Retro Engine instead of just lazy emulation, and then you have newly animated cutscenes, missions, and probably other extras we don’t know about yet. When you consider what separates this collection from $20-25 collections of lazy emulation, the price is easily justified. It’s a more premium collection for a more premium price
it’s still $60 AUD for yet another version of Sonic 1-3&K
@@Sydney_Angelyt but what separates this from those collections? I don’t care about what makes this similar to other products, the value is in what makes it different.
Don’t just take for granted the animations, the 3D models, the Mission Mode, the extras, the fact that Sonic 3 & Knuckles hasn’t been released in over a decade and had to be remastered by the highly skilled Sonic code expert Simon Thomley along with help from others, presumably along with having to have had its music situation sorted out somehow (be it through licensing/legal fees or through implementing the prototype music or through having to contract someone to make new music), etc. This was all work and money. More work and money than has been put into any of those collections you’re thinking of. Does that not make this a more premium product than those? Therefore, stands to reason that a more premium product deserves a more premium price.
Let me help you account for the price:
Let’s start with a baseline. I’m using USD and U.S. price listings because that’s what I’m familiar with. Keep in mind the game costs $40 USD for standard edition, $45 deluxe.
My guess is that if emulated ROMs with barebones menu and little-no extras of these games were dumped onto digital stores, it would be ~$5/game. That lines up with other games on the digital market (Ex: Double Dragon NES). $5•5 games (counting S3 and &K as separate as they are easily twice as long as S1 and I imagine twice as costly to remaster) = $25. That also checks out with similar emulated collections (Ex: Castlevania Classic Collection, Mega Man Legacy Collections) which fall around the same price. So JUST the games, NOT remastered, would be reasonably worth ~$25 in my estimation.
That leaves ~$15 to account for ($20 if you count DLC). NOW consider those new animated cutscenes, the Mission Mode, the fact that these were remastered from the ground up for a new engine, and all the other extra stuff this collection has to offer. Is all that which separates this collection from the pack worth $15-20 extra? It is for me.
And if you say it isn’t for you, then you tell Sega, “don’t put this much effort into projects in the future, I’d much prefer something cheaper and more similar to everything else you’ve made before please”
This is digital only and I'm a physical kind of guy so I'm fucking pissed.
The biggest problem with Denuvo is that it makes piracy the defacto best way to play the game since they remove it altogether.
I won't pirate Sonic Origins and I hope no one else here does, but my point stands that it is pretty silly we have to pay for a worse version of the game
Don’t buy the game if you are a crazy fan like me. It just isn’t true to the originals even in classic mode
@Mr Big Brother YT thats cool bro
Not too fond of the lack of options in Origins, honestly. This is $40, and not only are lives permanently disabled in Anniversary mode, but Knuckles isn't playable in Sonic CD. I'll still probably get this game once the physical release comes out (let's be real, that's inevitable considering Mania got one) but I feel like this is going to be a hard sell for a lot of people, especially considering the PC version comes with Denuvo DRM. I also don't like how they're delisting all the old versions, but not giving the option to play the Genesis versions in Origins. THAT'S what the "Original" mode should've been, not just lives and cropped 4:3.
The direction they're going with the game is quite odd, while I don't mind Knuckles' abscense in CD, it makes for an inconsistent collection due to the version of the engine being different and SEGA not tinkering much with the games themselves, and also HC working only in 3K as well.
All of the budget seemed to be spent on the cutscenes and presentation, and while they look great, I still wish they could've invested on the ports themselves, since they look kinda there in comparison to the other stuff. Not to mention pricing, DRM for PC and delisting like you said.
I'd really like to buy this, but spending +200 bucks for the base version for me is a big no for what they're offering.
I wish they included the Sonic Advance games to make the price worth it. Or at least ditch the whole "buy this version or another of Origins to get wide-screen and other bonus features etc" and simply sell us a single version with all features included at a logical price.
After watching your video…I think I’ve convinced myself to buy it
Uh- Well... It.. Um. It doesn't. Really.
If this, and sonic frontiers go good alongside the new sonic movie, we are in the sonic renaissance timeline confirmed
That thing about the Sonic 3 OST, you weren't wrong about it. Jun Senoue is going to re-arrange the prototype soundtrack for Sonic Origins.
It’s funny how we got a new Blazehedgehog video on the exact day we finally get gameplay footage of Frontiers.
I can't believe they got someone from Discotek Media to clean up the intro/outro for Sonic CD! If the remaster of Project A-ko is anything to go off of, Sonic CD fans(myself included) are in for a real treat!
youtube notified me this was premiering like ten minutes after it already started lmao
18:51 The edit-looking icon might just be to denote that you've cleared the game, as it also appears with the "CLEAR!" message underneath as seen in the trailer. Sonic using his Sonic 2 sprite in Sonic 1's character select is interesting, but the recently released Sega footage (that confirmed the Drop Dash) shows that selecting him like that just has you playing as regular S1 Sonic (unless there's some sneaky editing trickery going on there). This seems to just be a confounding error of using one S2 Sonic to represent him generally throughout the 4 games, even though that's specifically not even consistent with the S1 sprites used in the My Data & Ranking section of the game. Remember, they're not giving Knuckles new sprites to make him playable (in part) in Sonic CD.
I can just imagine BlazeHedgehog taking whiteout to his script to pencil in "Kineko Video." lol
Haha, that change happened like, almost on the exact same day I started writing this script.
Oops 🙈
If Retro Engine if goes open source we could get a Mega Man Wily Wars fan pc port.
What pisses me off is that other fans have passion for different games and SEGA is the only one acknowledging them and letting them take the wheel. Sad.
This is almost a new game. A redefined code from the original takes time and resources as said on the video. Thank you for this video, really. I am a day-one buyer too. And.. let's hope now that Sonic Mania 2 or Sonic 5 might be on the hands of this incredible and talented team, they are Sega now, let's hope they wanna be startin' something' (Yes Michael Jackson ref) xD
I did not think that this much talent was being put into this, even if I knew about the anniversary editions being put in. I am curious about the games you mentioned these developers work on that aren't as high profile and unrelated to sonic.
Little correction… apparently, this little icon above Sonic’s head is actually the save state
Sonic 1 was also available in Sonic Generations.
This is a really comprehensive look. Thanks for this!
Excellent video, man! I'd honestly say the only thing I "worry" (and I use that word so very lightly here) about is the music from Sonic 3, only cause... Some of those themes are just absolutely irreplaceable to me.
Other than that, I'm actually fine with the price, but it's the 2007 Ubisoft Sales Model they seem to be going with that actually bugs me. Like, don't make me read a chart to buy a game aha.
Regardless though, still gonna end up grabbing it Day 1. Also good to see you make a video again, man.
the digital deluxe version should have the sonic 1 prototype, the sonic 2 simon wai beta and the sonic 3 prototype
The 1990 beta is lost
@@framedthunder6436 Ik the tgc 1990 Prototype is lost but in 2021 the hidden palace found a proto i meant that one idiot
Imma be that guy. How many people are coming back here after what happened to the collection?
me im so upset
As someone who has S3AIR, S1F, and S2A, what’s my motivation for spending $60 on this? I love the art and new story mode, and the challenges seem interesting. But it just doesn’t seem worth it
In a normal scenario, I'd be all for supporting the companies for an official product even with fan projects, especially since Origins looks kinda neat for what it's offering. We're finally playing Stealth's remakes on proper hardware and that's awesome.
However, not only SEGA could've done much more with the compilation, but their marketing practices really hurt the product, overpricing and locking content behind a deluxe edition is just awful, not to mention other factors like the raise in price of Sonic's titles in other countries.
I'm not really fond of Forever and Absolute, rather play the original phone titles, but I admire their work of refreshing these titles with their standards, something SEGA could've done with not much issues and just don't want to.
@Alex Garner excluding the "hardcore" stuff (I don't like when people label themselves because it sounds really elitist), I do agree that SEGA is just filling a quota and saw this as a good opportunity.
Origins being a starting point isn't a bad thing too, people who saw the movie could come to it and play to see how things were back then, and I'm all for a casual mode (with some rewards with that), I just feel like they should also make lives a choice for Anniversary too.
Things are looking strange, but I do hope Origins look solid at least, something I can't say about (fan projects with) the decomps unfortunately.
Sadly, I won't be able to play it day 1... I'll be so busy celebrating my birthday!
Well made video, I hope the music doesn’t get removed and also they add air curling from sonic 2 community cut
once i'm in a better financial situation myself i'll definitely be giving you that patreon sub. great video :)
Very amazing video, as usual! 👍
Short story long, Sonic 1 (16-Bit) is Sonic 1, Part 1. Sonic 1 (8-Bit), is Sonic 1, Part 2. Sonic 2 (8-Bit) is Sonic 2, Part 1. Sonic 2 (16-Bit) is Sonic 2, Part 2. Sonic CD is Sonic 2, Part 3. Sonic 3 is Sonic 3, Part 1. Sonic & Knuckles is Sonic 3, Part 2. Sonic 3 & Knuckles/Sonic 3 Complete is the full version of Sonic 3. And Sonic Mania/Sonic Mania Plus is the true Sonic 4. Sonic's first robotic doppelganger was Mecha Sonic Mark 1 in Sonic 2 (8-Bit), Sonic's second robotic doppelganger was Mecha Sonic Mark 2 in Sonic 2 (16-Bit), Sonic's third robotic doppelganger was Metal Sonic in Sonic CD and Sonic's final robotic doppelganger was Mecha Sonic Mark 3 in the Sonic 3 series.
Denuvo seems sooo unnecessary, especially for these types of games fueled by fans... I will get it but will probably wait for a physical version (like i did with mania). Great video btw :)
It'll be cracked if not removed in like a few days lol
I'm going to pass for now, between the weird tiered editions and the lack of a physical release.(I'm allergic to digital-only unless it's DRM-free and easy to back up.) But given all the love that was put into this, and the convenience of having them on Switch and not having to hook up the Wii for the Mega and Gems collections, I'll definitely be giving it a second look when the all-but-inevitable physical release comes out.
Great video, Blaze. Certainly up to your usual high standards. And it's nice to see some positivity given... [gestures broadly at everything]
Just one question: What emulated version of Sonic 2 were you using for the audio comparison? It sounded too much like music to be the ATGames mini I have. :P
He's running it on the Sega Megadrives classics collection. I just tested it myself on PC and that audio glitch is definitely there.
Nice crack at AtGames
Everything was set up to create the best collection of these past games. Nothing should have been possible to mess up. The worst we could have expected is to get something only a little better than past emulations. To do worse than them would have taken effort from people holding unfathomable levels of incompetence or spite for the series. And now we're here in the present where we know that's just what happened. I did not realise how upsetting it would be to watch a video like this with the knowledge we have now. This is an amazingly depressing video to watch.
1. Sonic 3&K hasn't seen any ports in a very long time. Its actually gotten rarer than Sonic CD.
2. If this really is the retro engine I hope they fixed the time travel in Sonic CD. Retro engine broke it making traveling to the past in certain levels nearly impossible.
@@shade221 I wouldn't call breaking a major gameplay feature a "quirk" but okay then.
sonic origins is gonna releases tomorrow
I heard the entire credits section and I advise you to do the same because credits are meant to be read.
Great video as always Blaze, commenting to help out with the algorithm.
"When they should sound like this" That's an ad, not Sonic 2.
While Origins is looking good from the trailers, I just can't get the thought out of my head that SEGA could've also improved the games themselves, rather than adding external additions like mission mode, story animations and a mirror mode (which is also a feature in the Genesis collection)
It's not only overpriced for what it offers, it's also overpriced for some countries like mine due to the absurd raise in Sonic games for some reason, and this is something I don't see much people talking about. While dollar is the norm for gaming, not every country can experience this game like they could before. While Sonic Mania got released here in Brazil for R$36,99 (currently R$99,99 by the way), base Origins will come out at R$214,99, and this is jarring to say the least.
Another point people bring on about is Knuckles in CD, while I agree it's not a big deal to leave him behind, his exclusion leaves for an uneven product, which might be due to the different versions of the engine (CD runs on v3, 1&2 on v4, and 3K on v5). There is going to be the inclusion of the drop dash at least, but I think they could've updated the existing remakes to port to the newer versions of the engine to make for a "balanced" collection.
I do appreciate the extra flair and presentation, but I'd also wish they could tweak the games themselves (or maybe get HeadCannon again for that instead), because I'm honestly afraid it might end up like a Colors Ultimate situation.
Don't get me wrong, playing these remakes AND 3K on proper hardware running on the Retro Engine is awesome, but I feel like SEGA's just putting these together and spent their budget on 3K's porting and the extra stuff, with not much attention on the games with the information as of now. I hope I'm wrong, but sometimes it feels like SEGA is just treating Sonic as their cashcow and not doing much with it, just outsorcing things and not giving much attention with what's coming up (like in Colors Ultimate where it looked like they didn't give a damn about how Blind Squirrel was developing the port), especially since they're the ones wrapping the collection this time.
@Alex Garner People currently are with the eye on SEGA, at least with the Colors Ultimate fiasco, not much with Origins due to the games having a better rep compared to it. They just aren't being harsh because the product seems to be pleasing them, and honestly, that's no problem, people do what they want with their money, especially if they weren't affected by the price raising.
If they weren't charging as much and being overprotective with the PC version regarding Denuvo, I wouldn't be giving that much doubt, because I know these games are good. Even if it was a barebones port like the decomps it would be fine for me. But they are making this a big deal, which gives us the right to question what is going on.
I don't think Origins will turn out bad, at least not Colors Ultimate bad, I just don't think they're giving the product that much attention for what they're advertising.
@Alex Garner exactly why I'm not a sucker for this crap! I've already spent my hard earned money on their games 20+ years ago and will just stick to playing them... most of these remixes are nice but don't really add much of a change for it where I feel tempted to buy it
This game WOULD be great, only if it wasn't expensive as hell (at least it is in my country)
Fantastic video. Very informative. Thank you
Pre-ordered this collection as soon as I could and waiting for the release day. The fact that as I looked at the footage of Sonic 1&2, I saw they were the Retro Engine versions had made me happy that I can finally play these on a proper TV. Without a bunch of annoying steps (not going into phone emulation on PC, that is a pain on my end!)
Only real problem on my end is the lack of a physical edition. If we do end up losing the Sonic 3 soundtrack, it will suck but I can move on. Then again they may end up having something going on that we may not know of. An example that I think could happen is: at first it will have the new soundtrack. After the sales Sega could pay some of the composers (or some other legal action, like a compromise) and the old soundtrack could come back (most likely a paid DLC) as a toggleable option.
*everybody forgot about….*
*HIM* *sonics ultimate powerhouse form of sonic 3*
"Prestine, crystal clear audio."
*Something went wrong.*
*Something went oh so very wrong.*
I mean... it didn't? Audio quality and how much you enjoy the compositions being presented are two different things.
@@BlazeHedgehog Do you really feel the audio quality of Sonic 3 is on point? I don't mean the replaced tracks, I mean the actual general quality.
It sounds like it's a speaker muffled through a cushion.
@@Chicken_Nugget1 Some models of real Sega Genesis hardware do actually sound like that.
@@BlazeHedgehog Well I still have my copy of Sonic 3 on the Genesis & it sounds clearer & higher quality sound then it does on Origins, which is worrying.
@@BlazeHedgehogsonic 1 and 2 on origins has awful audio quality
So nobody gonna talk about Sonic's Ultimate Genesis Collection?
As much as I love Sonic and want this collection, for me (brazilian) R$240 is 20% of my salary (minimum) and also I have bills to pay lol. I'll just wait for a sale
As a fellow BR, I really see no reason to buy this collection as is. It's a slap in the face for a company that used to recognize its fanbase, and also pricing the games fairly. Raising Sonic Mania as an example from 37 bucks to 100 (more than 100% of a raise!) is just shady, along the fact that Brazil wasn't the only country that got affected by this, and I don't see this covered often.
Unfortunately, I'd rather stick to the phone versions of 1&2, and CD's PC version (officially at least). Even if they don't have Origins' extra flair, they work for what they offer for an accessible price, at least until SEGA axes these versions like they're doing with CD and the original Genesis titles, which just feels even more shady.
@@chrishd659 That's sad, maybe in a sale the price goes down
@@livia_sz Hope so, don't know if it'll make much difference since discount percentage is global. It might be cheaper, but I think it'll still be quite expensive for us.
Fantastic video! It shows how much work and care you put into the script and editing. Really well paced segments and doesn’t feel bloated or rant-y like a lot of video essays fall into. Good job, mang.
Now sonic origins has only 4 games because it's using sonic 3 & knuckles, but it used to be 5 games because sonic 3 & sonic & knuckles were seperate, it doesn't really matter though, i just remember that
It doesn't.
I think what a lot of people forget is that this compation is to be a definitive version (hence delisting of old versions) it is to give people, particularly newbies the best experience and consequently increasing value in the brand.
On price too, a higher end price signals higher quality rather than being seen as budget entry / another crappy port.
so we have confirmation that the MJ tracks are indeed being replaced with new compositions of the prototype tracks by jun senoue, so definitely interested in hearing how those sound
Modern Sonic should receive this attention to detail
If you ask me, if Origins takes off and Frontiers tanks the same way Mania took off and Forces tanked, I'd consider that a pretty strong mandate as to the future of the Sonic series. That's the point where, if I were a SEGA executive, I would seriously consider disbanding Sonic Team for good, indefinitely shelving new 3D Sonic games, and officially handing the series over to the fans to make 2D, Mania-style games, eventually bringing back 3D Sonic under the fandom's reins. Sonic is one of those franchises where the fans have been its primary source of TLC while the official dev team mistreats it time and time again. As far as I'm concerned, Frontiers _should_ be Sonic Team's last chance to redeem itself before it gets blown up.
There are blind spots not even the fanatics do ever realize…
While all of this is awesome, I can't help but feel sad that the Classics are always guaranteed to receive top quality treatment in their preservation while the Adventure games still remain stuck with their horrible ports that only got worse over time. I really wish SEGA or even a group of fans cared enough to give those games that kind of treatment, since they REALLY need a definitive version after so many years of damage with each new port. (Specially Adventure 1)
My best hope is that Origins at least opens the possibility of SEGA giving more Sonic games the chance of getting proper definitive versions. I hope this doesn't sound too wrong, but I would appreciate a lot if the Classic games weren't the only ones who (understandibly, because they do deserve it) got this special treatment.
I agree. The Adventure games need to have proper justice done to them. They're both good games that have been done a massive disservice. The ports make them look clunky but the original Dreamcast versions make the games look ahead of their time and are still impressive to this day.
Seeing the Sonic animation makes me want a side scrolling Sonic adventure with the same art style.
I think the only flaw is how, for some reason, the Brad Buxter/Michael Jackson Tracks are in the sound Library but not in the Zones themselves?
Is it because all the tracks are their remastered versions for Sonic 1, 2 and CD?
Would they need to pay Brad Buxter royalties for remastering said tracks?
How come they were allowed to use said tracks for the Library then?
I'm not too certain on how the Prototype tracks would sound, especially since I can't imagine them sounding remotely good even with a MegaDrive chip, but who knows.
Outside of that, I'm looking forward to Origins since I already have Sonic 1, 2 and CD on Android(CD is broken for me on steam and I don't know why). So I'm glad to finally have access to all 4 classic games.
Seeing those cartoon animations in Sonic Origins makes me wish they were doing a Monkey Island r Monster Boy remasters and have these games drawn to look like those animations.
My skin is itching rn
16:46 actally I heard somewhere that the prototype tracks are the michael Jackson tracks
Though idk if it's true or not
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that is not true
@@animegamingdude oh ok
Here's what I think sonic orgins matter because it is going to be a big game when it releases tons of mods for the game is going to be a fun game with mods support
DLC: metal amy ray and mighty
Update: mod support cheats support
My opinion going into this, is that I have Mega Collection Plus, I don't care about CD that much, Mega Collection Plus does its job at giving me all the classic sonic I want, plus more, in the game gear games. The only collection I'll consider is an advance trilogy plus rush trilogy collection, preferably with additional titles such as game gear games, rivals, or even the 3ds games-a true portable collection!(minus Dark Brotherhood). Ah, imagine that. Just raw, big, bulky, meaty, content. The 3ds games aren't even that good, they'd mostly just be there for anyone who ignored them. Which I've ignored 3ds Lost World, seen it, not for me on its own. Just, really focussing that rush + advance though, that's the core good stuff. Not two collections, just one. Unless they do two as (Advance + Game Gear), (Rush + Generations, Lost World, and Rivals and/or Boom). I'd accept that.
I don't particularly care about the heights of soundfont, latency, incredible frame rates, or the bonus flavour town of those tails in CD stuff. Nice? Yes. Preferable to another game in my collection? No. A sound room and maybe an art room is pleasant additions that's about the depths I can hope for a collection of the magnitude I desire.
i have a sonic collections ds game on my 3ds, and whenever i get hit it sounds so strange and i havent seen ANYONE talk abt it
I think I'm going to miss Ice Cap and Launch Base, but I've heard the mockups of the replacement music and it sounds great.
It amazes me that sonic 1 alone has been released on so many different consoles same with sonic 2 and cd sonic 3 and sonic and knuckles also have a decent amount of re-releases but nearly as much this re-release of course obviously will count as it's most recent release because it hasn't seen a re-release in a long time the last time it ever got re-released was on sonic classic collection so this in my opinion is definitely a collection worth picking up
Well, I wouldn't mind the pricetag if they included a graphics option to play those games with the visuals shown in the titlescreen (19:24). Even though I grew up with these games, those graphics at the time were because of hardware-constraints. It does have it sharm, but this would be a great time to see those same games without pixels. Like it was done with Streets of Rage 4, Wonder Boy, ... . As especially Wonder Boy: The Dragon's Trap showed, you can easily swap the graphics on the fly.
“ a killer’s row of passionate, talented sonic fans”, I don’t think I’ve ever heard anyone use “killer’s row” instead of “murderer’s row”
They're literally the same thing though
Great video as always!!!
These touch ups are nice, but overall just icing that most people will likely ignore.
I'll support it on a sale, but definitely not for a retail that high. We got a team of folks remaking Sonic 2 HD and yet SEGA just gives us the same pixels we've seen for years along with a few sound effects that are more "accurate".
If people are that bothered by how the sign sounds when it spins at the end of a level, they're giving attention to things that don't actually make a big difference (it's like 3 seconds lol).
all i need is either a Hyper Tails or the ability to use Hyper Sonic in all games once unlocked OR Super Sonic in Sonic 1