I love Dice, own 9 and 12 meters. But I use it on medium settings, after trying both soft and hard settings. Because I honestly don't like so much bar pressure especially when I am kitelooping. The medium setting gives me enough feedback that I know kite's locations in the air. Now I am trying to understand why the hard setting is promoted for kiteloops. I am really curious to figure it out, in case I am missing something. Thanks!
People will generally use the hard setting on the faster sizes (8 and smaller) to slow down the loop and make it more extreme/aggressive. If you are just getting into kiteloops, I'd probably stick with the soft setting. A faster kite will increase the likelihood that it will catch you after the loop.
@@rubensbrazilianbrothers That makes a lot of sense. Thanks! See, this is one issue we have in kiteboarding. There is so much information around without context. There should be clear distinctions, this recommendation is for this size kites and for this wind range, it would create this effect, etc...
@@rubensbrazilianbrothers No, the harder setting gives a faster loop. Harder bar pressure because the steering is more direct, the connection is closer to the pivot point. Softer setting is further back, giving softer input, bigger loops, softer bar pressure - a slower loop with more pull... To get the fastest loop (which is easiest because it will have less time in the power zone) you set it to the hard setting. Problem with this is that it also gives you more bar pressure, and that's why it's more of an advanced rider setting.
@@jockegw Incorrect, soft setting = faster kite while hard setting = slower kite. Here’s one of the many videos on youtube that explains it. th-cam.com/video/SvBQSiFRKGQ/w-d-xo.html Also consider watching Blake Olsen’s “North Orbit and kite settings video” for insight on kiteloops specifically
We would agree with this!! The hard setting increases bar pressure and increases the radius of the turn... it will also deliver more power through the loop on the hard setting. So it is best to start with the soft setting and progress to the hard setting when you are ready. Always start with your like as close to 12 o'clock when you throw the loop too... this will help!
I saw a EVO SLS 12 meter but he can’t do more with it in lighter wind than me on my 2014 Ozone Catalyst 12 meter. 7 years of all new and best ever stories but it is almost the same. Ok to save 500 Gramm is nice for travel but is it worth the price? How much cost a square meter of that fabric material? I will not recommend any beginner to buy old material but also you will not have automatically more fun wit the most expensive. Have a good time on the water and forget about brand or “all new” if they not sponsor you with the material.
I find that the dice sls 2022 has much more pull than previous years when unhooked. This becomes very noticeable at higher windspeeds (like 20/21+ kts on 11). I just can't get rid of the power after popping. After switching to my 2018 dice 11m I can unhook normally again (create slack after pop). Is there some difference between the dice SLS and dice that causes way more pull when unhooked? I can't very well do unhooked tricks if the kite pulls like a truck.
It's no so much that it's the Dice or the Dice SLS. It's that that the newer Dice model since 2021 have been more tuned towards Big Air than Freestyle. If you do pure Freestyle the Vegas' is still recommened!
Interesting how all the duotone prices have gone up yet again. Partially the reason why I've switched to North. £1489 for 9m Dice SLS or £1339 for a 9m orbit. I know which one I'd choose.
Sls is more expensive.... If you buy the normal version dice, it costs less than an orbit. In my opinion both kites are good, but dice loops way smoother and feels a lot more direct :)
always the same "new Improvments" blabla... sold my Duotone Stuff. Happy with Cabrinha. Bought everything second Hand and the they were used a lot. Still pretty good in shape and 1/3 of the costs.
It’s interesting how Duotone is stuck for more than a decade in design and marketing…nothing new always the same boring stuff …sorry I changed brand for 4 years and happy about my decision.
I don't understand this comment. They definitely seem to be the brand that is pushing innovation. Click bar, new kite materials etc. I don't ride Duotone but appreciate their R&D.
That yellow really stands out, nice job..
Love your pseudo
Glad you like the colours!!
The yellow so beautiful 🥰
would vote for the grey - that mint sky blue combo is nice
stoked you like it!!
yellow looks so nice
yew!!
Wow
Nice kite !!
It performs even better than it looks!!
Omg, the yellow one is so beautiful!! I wish I could buy a new kite already, but I am still paying my rebel 2020 hahahah
Stoked you like the colours... hope the 2020 rebel is delivering the goods!!
Is this material going to be more affordable as time goes on do you think and become the standard LE material?
There are always levels of what is available and we strive to keep the quality high on all our kites!
New pump valve!!!
I hope so!!
We have the max flow valve on our kites and wings
I love Dice, own 9 and 12 meters. But I use it on medium settings, after trying both soft and hard settings. Because I honestly don't like so much bar pressure especially when I am kitelooping. The medium setting gives me enough feedback that I know kite's locations in the air. Now I am trying to understand why the hard setting is promoted for kiteloops. I am really curious to figure it out, in case I am missing something. Thanks!
People will generally use the hard setting on the faster sizes (8 and smaller) to slow down the loop and make it more extreme/aggressive. If you are just getting into kiteloops, I'd probably stick with the soft setting. A faster kite will increase the likelihood that it will catch you after the loop.
@@rubensbrazilianbrothers That makes a lot of sense. Thanks! See, this is one issue we have in kiteboarding. There is so much information around without context. There should be clear distinctions, this recommendation is for this size kites and for this wind range, it would create this effect, etc...
@@rubensbrazilianbrothers No, the harder setting gives a faster loop. Harder bar pressure because the steering is more direct, the connection is closer to the pivot point. Softer setting is further back, giving softer input, bigger loops, softer bar pressure - a slower loop with more pull...
To get the fastest loop (which is easiest because it will have less time in the power zone) you set it to the hard setting. Problem with this is that it also gives you more bar pressure, and that's why it's more of an advanced rider setting.
@@jockegw Incorrect, soft setting = faster kite while hard setting = slower kite. Here’s one of the many videos on youtube that explains it. th-cam.com/video/SvBQSiFRKGQ/w-d-xo.html Also consider watching Blake Olsen’s “North Orbit and kite settings video” for insight on kiteloops specifically
We would agree with this!! The hard setting increases bar pressure and increases the radius of the turn... it will also deliver more power through the loop on the hard setting. So it is best to start with the soft setting and progress to the hard setting when you are ready. Always start with your like as close to 12 o'clock when you throw the loop too... this will help!
I saw a EVO SLS 12 meter but he can’t do more with it in lighter wind than me on my 2014 Ozone Catalyst 12 meter. 7 years of all new and best ever stories but it is almost the same. Ok to save 500 Gramm is nice for travel but is it worth the price? How much cost a square meter of that fabric material? I will not recommend any beginner to buy old material but also you will not have automatically more fun wit the most expensive. Have a good time on the water and forget about brand or “all new” if they not sponsor you with the material.
I find that the dice sls 2022 has much more pull than previous years when unhooked. This becomes very noticeable at higher windspeeds (like 20/21+ kts on 11). I just can't get rid of the power after popping. After switching to my 2018 dice 11m I can unhook normally again (create slack after pop). Is there some difference between the dice SLS and dice that causes way more pull when unhooked? I can't very well do unhooked tricks if the kite pulls like a truck.
It's no so much that it's the Dice or the Dice SLS. It's that that the newer Dice model since 2021 have been more tuned towards Big Air than Freestyle. If you do pure Freestyle the Vegas' is still recommened!
STFU AND TAKE MY MONEY! love it!
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I love it 🚀🚀🚀
stoked you like it!!
Interesting how all the duotone prices have gone up yet again. Partially the reason why I've switched to North. £1489 for 9m Dice SLS or £1339 for a 9m orbit. I know which one I'd choose.
Its always a choice!! We put a lot into our R&D to develop the best kites!!
Sls is more expensive.... If you buy the normal version dice, it costs less than an orbit. In my opinion both kites are good, but dice loops way smoother and feels a lot more direct :)
Stylish
always!!
I want 😭😭😭
Mine in preparation :-)
What is it with corporate voice over guy???
To make the information clear and concise
always the same "new Improvments" blabla... sold my Duotone Stuff. Happy with Cabrinha. Bought everything second Hand and the they were used a lot. Still pretty good in shape and 1/3 of the costs.
Yes our kites last, so the second hand market is also good! ✌
Future KOTA winner?
This could definitely be in the running to take a few big air crowns!!
Nowadays you need a big air kite ( like the orbit ) to win the Kota
1 unlike by north :P
Reno Romeu rips!
@@henriqueamorimleal7222 yes he does!! 👍
It’s interesting how Duotone is stuck for more than a decade in design and marketing…nothing new always the same boring stuff …sorry I changed brand for 4 years and happy about my decision.
Can’t blame them if it works. And apparently it does.
What brand did you change to then? Bet you're going to say Core right?!
Always happy hear feedback, we invest in R&D and design for all our products! Which brand did you switch to?
I don't understand this comment. They definitely seem to be the brand that is pushing innovation. Click bar, new kite materials etc. I don't ride Duotone but appreciate their R&D.