@firstlast-ty4di Amico mio, tra gli " ingegneri delle tastiere" nei commenti potrebbero esserci ingenieri laureati,meccanici (come me) che hanno lavorato sui motori per >25 anni e che magari hanno montato decine o centinaia di pistoni nuovi,cioè gente che di motori ne capisce sicuramente più dei "tecnici" nel video,tecnici che ignorano unità di misura come il centesimo o il millesimo di millimetro,i loro "strumenti di misura" lo dimostrano...
@@fasullodavvero Yes, many comments are valid, but many others are very uninformed. These Pakistani workers are not attempting to make pistons for a Formula I racing engine. "Hundredth or thousandth of a millimeter" (.0004" or .00004") are not needed here. I'm guessing that the tolerances on the design drawings for the original piston are much looser than that. These workers showed some very intelligent improvising. Did you notice how the broken piston was wrapped with a thick material to make a pattern for the sand mold? That was to allow for the thermal shrinkage of the new casting. Making a new pattern would be very expensive. Chucking the piston on the lathe to bore the wrist-pin hole also impressed me. Keyboard warriors tend to diminish the skills of workers in developing nations only because of their lack of access to modern machines and instruments.
@@firstlast-ty4di Amico mio,sono cosciente del fatto che quei meccanici,fonditori,tornitori fanno quello che possono con quello che hanno,ma in casi simili è solo tempo sprecato,quanto alle tolleranze,non è questione di F1 o altro,anzi,è proprio il contrario,fare un pistone che duri molto è più difficile,specie se non disponi del know-how e i materiali per farlo,io ho studiato in una scuola professionale prima e fatto il meccanico per >25 anni poi e non ci provo nemmeno a produrre un pistone,al 99,99% sarebbe un fallimento,già solo riprodurre correttamente il profilo del pistone è impossibile se non hai le misure corrette (i pistoni *NON* hanno lo stesso diamentro in tutti i punti)e le differenze si misurano in determinati punti in centesimi di mm...
@@fasullodavvero The need for precision, itself, is a vast area of study. Approaches such as six-sigma examine how tolerances and variability of finished parts influence to performance of a completed system. There is a point where increased precision will not improve quality commensurate with cost. I don't know whether the piston produced in this video will be put into an engine or whether it is only a demonstration. I do think that the method shown can be useful in situations where supply-chain delays are prohibitive and a piece of equipment must be put back into service quickly. In the USA (or Italy) mechanics and engineers take great pride in being ably to order a new piston and take delivery the same or next day. The piston will be shiny and meet all manufacturer tolerances. Of course, we wouldn't go to a foundry and machine shop with drawings and ask to have one made. We have industrial resources not available in Pakistan. That does mean that we are superior mechanics or engineers. To me "keyboard engineers" have false pride in the good fortunes of their birth places. I would liken them to those who would ridicule someone in a wheelchair.
@@firstlast-ty4di Perfetto, vedo che *NON* hai capito quale sia il punto,cioè che il lavoro che vediamo in questo video è semplicemente inutile,la fortuna non c'entra,quando non ci sono ricambi, si butta tutto,quello che vediamo nel filmato è "accanimento terapeutico" , è come voler curare la peste con l'aspirina,non solo non guarisci,ma spendi denaro per curarti...
We used to make pistons from semi finished ones and they had a taper smaller towards the crown a nd a cam grind as they expand more across the gudguon boss. The crown was round where the rings go. That will seize.
If they seized these guys wouldn’t be wasting their time making them daily would they? You lot are negative nannies about everything these guys do, if it’s not pointing out a thousand times about their footwear, safety or other, the you attack their product. Go watch some other channel then.
I think what they do is amazing with what they have at hand and am not rubbishing them that is why I enjoy watching them. What I am saying is what I know from making pistons and am intrigued as to how they will last. Ps you know more than I do after having been in the industry most of my working life?
It’s also easy enough to make them oval in a 4 Jaw chuck and harden them as well the only other issue I can see is that the original would ofhad strengthening steel plates cast in and sometimes alphan inserts made of steel for the top ring to stop wear. But they do their best.
@@ntal5859 Diesel under forced air burns blue , not orange. It was either used engine oil or coal. Since you can see a coal pit and a beat up drum next to the forge , they probably use whatever's available that day.
Газануть под нагрузкой в одну горочку и хватит. Кольцо от теплового расширения никто не заливал, спав тоже нанотехналогичный, наверно из таких же поршней. Так что все это дело быстренько размажет по цилиндру и компрессия тю-тю.
It will last just as long as the one your local parts dealer imports, why do you think they can supply you with a piston for few bucks, because they are made in 3rd world countries.
I've lived in the so called third world and they are geniuses in the get it done, make it work, and within the affordability of their customers. These hard working folks in dangerous workshops with no benefits and no safety equipment will rule the world. This is how China started and look at how they have come to be an industrial juggernaut. As a foundry owner and a machinist I have nothing but respect.
Notice how they need to melt at least 5 other pistons in order to cast a single new one. Sure, you need some extra for the casting ports and the slag losses, but it seems too much still.
Looks like a Piston for a bigger Diesel Engine. Probably a bit older Design as I think the deep Dish isn’t Standard anymore since some Time. Possibly not even Turbocharged, which would mean comparatively low Power/Volume. Quite possible that there is no Support for Replacements anymore and even in Regions with Access to old Stock it’s not cheap. They aren’t going to scrap their Equipment over such a Problem… Also Efficiency or dirty Exhaust Gases from Bypass Oil are of no Interest if the Machine is what finances your Life. Since 1923 there are Diesel Engines in Trucks. For sure a forged and CNC machined Part would be preferable, but it’s not going into a modern Sports Car. This Piston just needs to keep the Engine usable and survive as long as the other old ones in the Cylinders next to it.
You're right...he knows the $hit that comes out of his pants.🤣🤣 Normally diesel pistons are forged aluminum, then again we're in India or Pakistan anything goes. That engine will self destruct in no time
doing what they can but that casing is full of porosity
I love soaking up the wisdom of the keyboard engineers in the comments.
@firstlast-ty4di
Amico mio, tra gli " ingegneri delle tastiere" nei commenti potrebbero esserci ingenieri laureati,meccanici (come me) che hanno lavorato sui motori per >25 anni e che magari hanno montato decine o centinaia di pistoni nuovi,cioè gente che di motori ne capisce sicuramente più dei "tecnici" nel video,tecnici che ignorano unità di misura come il centesimo o il millesimo di millimetro,i loro "strumenti di misura" lo dimostrano...
@@fasullodavvero Yes, many comments are valid, but many others are very uninformed. These Pakistani workers are not attempting to make pistons for a Formula I racing engine. "Hundredth or thousandth of a millimeter" (.0004" or .00004") are not needed here. I'm guessing that the tolerances on the design drawings for the original piston are much looser than that. These workers showed some very intelligent improvising. Did you notice how the broken piston was wrapped with a thick material to make a pattern for the sand mold? That was to allow for the thermal shrinkage of the new casting. Making a new pattern would be very expensive. Chucking the piston on the lathe to bore the wrist-pin hole also impressed me. Keyboard warriors tend to diminish the skills of workers in developing nations only because of their lack of access to modern machines and instruments.
@@firstlast-ty4di Amico mio,sono cosciente del fatto che quei meccanici,fonditori,tornitori fanno quello che possono con quello che hanno,ma in casi simili è solo tempo sprecato,quanto alle tolleranze,non è questione di F1 o altro,anzi,è proprio il contrario,fare un pistone che duri molto è più difficile,specie se non disponi del know-how e i materiali per farlo,io ho studiato in una scuola professionale prima e fatto il meccanico per >25 anni poi e non ci provo nemmeno a produrre un pistone,al 99,99% sarebbe un fallimento,già solo riprodurre correttamente il profilo del pistone è impossibile se non hai le misure corrette (i pistoni *NON* hanno lo stesso diamentro in tutti i punti)e le differenze si misurano in determinati punti in centesimi di mm...
@@fasullodavvero The need for precision, itself, is a vast area of study. Approaches such as six-sigma examine how tolerances and variability of finished parts influence to performance of a completed system. There is a point where increased precision will not improve quality commensurate with cost. I don't know whether the piston produced in this video will be put into an engine or whether it is only a demonstration. I do think that the method shown can be useful in situations where supply-chain delays are prohibitive and a piece of equipment must be put back into service quickly.
In the USA (or Italy) mechanics and engineers take great pride in being ably to order a new piston and take delivery the same or next day. The piston will be shiny and meet all manufacturer tolerances. Of course, we wouldn't go to a foundry and machine shop with drawings and ask to have one made. We have industrial resources not available in Pakistan. That does mean that we are superior mechanics or engineers.
To me "keyboard engineers" have false pride in the good fortunes of their birth places. I would liken them to those who would ridicule someone in a wheelchair.
@@firstlast-ty4di Perfetto, vedo che *NON* hai capito quale sia il punto,cioè che il lavoro che vediamo in questo video è semplicemente inutile,la fortuna non c'entra,quando non ci sono ricambi, si butta tutto,quello che vediamo nel filmato è "accanimento terapeutico" , è come voler curare la peste con l'aspirina,non solo non guarisci,ma spendi denaro per curarti...
They wear shoes 👞 in this one ,,, must be osha makein changes
We used to make pistons from semi finished ones and they had a taper smaller towards the crown a nd a cam grind as they expand more across the gudguon boss. The crown was round where the rings go. That will seize.
If they seized these guys wouldn’t be wasting their time making them daily would they? You lot are negative nannies about everything these guys do, if it’s not pointing out a thousand times about their footwear, safety or other, the you attack their product. Go watch some other channel then.
I think what they do is amazing with what they have at hand and am not rubbishing them that is why I enjoy watching them. What I am saying is what I know from making pistons and am intrigued as to how they will last. Ps you know more than I do after having been in the industry most of my working life?
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It’s also easy enough to make them oval in a 4 Jaw chuck and harden them as well the only other issue I can see is that the original would ofhad strengthening steel plates cast in and sometimes alphan inserts made of steel for the top ring to stop wear. But they do their best.
If it wasn't for Pakistan's import restrictions they probably could have bought a new piston for what it cost them in fuel to melt the aluminum.
The average wage in Pakistan is $300 a month and coal is cheap.
@@glennchartrand5411 But it clearly was done with Diesel fuel. Are you blind ?
@@ntal5859 Diesel under forced air burns blue , not orange.
It was either used engine oil or coal.
Since you can see a coal pit and a beat up drum next to the forge , they probably use whatever's available that day.
À. ,aaqllqllaAa as aaaaaaaaaaaaaa@@ntal5859
they use very cheap coal
Километров на 500 должно хватить
хотя бы на 100 и то если не заводить..
🤣🤣
Газануть под нагрузкой в одну горочку и хватит. Кольцо от теплового расширения никто не заливал, спав тоже нанотехналогичный, наверно из таких же поршней. Так что все это дело быстренько размажет по цилиндру и компрессия тю-тю.
А если бы они залепили на холодную сварку тот поршень, который им чувак принёс, в начале видео, то хватило бы на тыщу, без этих танцев с бубном. ))))
I wonder how long this piston will last. Inclusions and casting defects will cause the piston to explode 😅😅
It will last just as long as the one your local parts dealer imports, why do you think they can supply you with a piston for few bucks, because they are made in 3rd world countries.
These guys cam make anything, even weld broken crankshafts, stuff the western engineers cannot do.
@@dayleedwards3521 Er...You do NOT want to go there...
Long enough and at a cost comensurate to the income of their customers. More than I can say in the West.
I've lived in the so called third world and they are geniuses in the get it done, make it work, and within the affordability of their customers. These hard working folks in dangerous workshops with no benefits and no safety equipment will rule the world. This is how China started and look at how they have come to be an industrial juggernaut. As a foundry owner and a machinist I have nothing but respect.
Notice how they need to melt at least 5 other pistons in order to cast a single new one. Sure, you need some extra for the casting ports and the slag losses, but it seems too much still.
ALLAH KOLAYLIK VERSIN KARDEŞİM
pretty good but what about pin fit, pin boss machining, pin clip retention grooves, and oil return holes, balance? alot to do yet
What alloy are you using?
piston with a little bit of valve cover.
🙂
Hey it was a piston before, so the alloy must be right.
@@ntal5859 Yes it is. It is piston alloy. The addition of valve cover improves the casting fluidity. 🙂
Hey Bruh, that piston you made last week didn't go 10 miles.
They got no other choice but to make their own...too many import/export restrictions. They are in a tough spot.
Hey Bruh, that comment you made last week didn't got 10 likes.
Я так понимаю,в начале как раз и показывают останки самодельного поршня судя по обработке...
excellent
Looks like a Piston for a bigger Diesel Engine.
Probably a bit older Design as I think the deep Dish isn’t Standard anymore since some Time.
Possibly not even Turbocharged, which would mean comparatively low Power/Volume.
Quite possible that there is no Support for Replacements anymore and even in Regions with Access to old Stock it’s not cheap.
They aren’t going to scrap their Equipment over such a Problem…
Also Efficiency or dirty Exhaust Gases from Bypass Oil are of no Interest if the Machine is what finances your Life.
Since 1923 there are Diesel Engines in Trucks.
For sure a forged and CNC machined Part would be preferable, but it’s not going into a modern Sports Car.
This Piston just needs to keep the Engine usable and survive as long as the other old ones in the Cylinders next to it.
Good 👍👍👍
Mashallah !!!
This bloke knows his shit 😅
You're right...he knows the $hit that comes out of his pants.🤣🤣 Normally diesel pistons are forged aluminum, then again we're in India or Pakistan anything goes. That engine will self destruct in no time
@@caddyrack How do you know this? I think the shit you talk about comes from your mouth.
@@dayleedwards3521 Hey genius, check out how pistons are made especially for diesel engine. Is your brain made in India?
@@caddyrack You are choking on it.
Wowo
impossible work 😮😮
Can anyone confirm this but that piston looked like a cummins piston ... plus the engine block at the end as well ??????
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What is this 🤣
is this really useful
Fantasy
This piston is never going into an engine, it's just done for the video, ie click bate
They could have whittle one out of wood, should last just as long