Pakistan Lost - Episode 1 - The Lahore Resolution vs The Pakistan Resolution debate
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- Pakistan Lost is a series of audio essays on history exploring the choices that were made that impacted millions of people for decades to come.
The first episode of the series explores the changing of the text of the Lahore Resolution and how that impacted the entire idea of Pakistan for decades to come.
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The Lahore resolution was from an Ahamdi leader who later became the first foreign minister of Pakistan, " Sir Zafurallah Khan," to protect the Muslim minority in British India. But later, Pakistan became the biggest abuser of the human rights of minorities, especially Ahamdi Muslims. So undeniably, Pakistan has lost its very purpose.
Ahmedis are kufr according to zia ul Haq 😂😂😅
No it was written by Sikander Hayat Khan
Zafurallah Khan represented Pakistan in the Punjab Boundary condition. This was a judicial proceeding and he was a prominent lawyer. This was a very important role, and you could argue more important than that of the draftee of the Lahore resolution.
Ahmadis got a very rude shock quickly - within 4 years when there was open season on them. Perhaps the reason for this visceral haters is that the strong Barelvi reverence for the prophet (PBUH) goes against Ahmadi belief which at its core is a negation of the prophet’s / Quran’s Khatm e Nabuwat.
At the end of the day, I am not sure what happened was illogical. If you are going to form a country for Islam and some sort of Nizam e Mystafa, it is logical that this would happen. Honestly I have often found theologians to be quite logical in a very narrow sense - they literally start from a book as the axioms, and apply logic to derive conclusions. Where the conclusions contradict, they have rules of precedence. The issue is not the logic of this. The issue is whether you ever want to give a religion prominence to the exclusion of everything else. In this extreme it often becomes poison
lmao........................... zafarullah khan was british puppet with others too they devided punjab intentionally...................pakistan was created to stop communism in india............................... and molvi abdul haq presented this and then he was accused of treason too in 1956,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,each and every muslim leagui got punished by ALLAH for suffering of millions and spreading hatred
Ahmadi aren't Muslim just like mormons aren't charistains
Instead of English, make these videos in Urdu. So, most people in Pakistan can understand it.
Will do
@The Pakistan Experience We Indians thank Mohd Ali Jinnah wholeheartedly who saved spiritual hindus from terrorist muslim domination in the name of Islam 😂 by creating Pakistan 🇵🇰 otherwise the whole of India would have been islamised forcefully with no democracy at sight just like all muslim countries 🤣
@@ThePakistanExperience keep u r natural voice no need to add dramatic voice 😂
Not everyone like this kind of content. Our nation prefers HaqeeqatTV instead 😅
Ya elite in any country cant change any country normal people have to see n hear
Bro... love from Assam, India.... Really happy to see a matured podcast by a Pakistani youngster. I believe our generation can solve all disputes between our countries... I would love to see on your channel a healthy discussion on the various points India and Pakistan can agree upon to peacefully resolve the Kashmir issue and the political climate that has to prevail in both the countries to make it happen.
Bro never forget what Jinnah had said wo alag qom(log) hai hum alag qom hai sath mai nahi reh sakte
Bhai hum alog qaum hain.... sath nahi reh sakte.. isiliye toh batwara hua.... par hum acche hamsaye toh ban sakte hain. Kashmir masle ke alawa hamare dono mulko ke bich koi aur masla toh hain hi nahi.... isiliye hum indians bhi chahte hain ki Kashmir masla jald se jald sulajh jaye.....
@@arnavkalita6326 It will be better if India hold plebiscite in Kashmir to fully integrete into mainland India just like Russia did Crimean territory
Remember India held plebiscite in Junagadh back in 1948
Only Hindus keep dreaming about this.
The original Lahore Declaration and idea of Paxstan was to dismember Bharat into multiple little Islamic sultanates. And the call for more divisions of even divided India are just around the corner...Assamese Hindus would do best to stop dreaming about some idea that was never a reality. Islamism treats Hindu as kaafir and works to subjugate the kaafir... 800+ years of Hindu history should be enough to not make the stupid mistake that parting with Kashmir will solve everything.
The problem is Islamism.
Love from India.
Firstly that young podcast fellow, proponed Balochistan to be part of Pakistan as history from the beginning , WHICH IS FALSE.
BALOCHISTAN NEVER WANTED TO BE WITH PAKISTAN AS THEY WERE SOVEREIGN STATE BEFORE PARTITION.
PAKISTAN ARMY TOOK IT FORCIBLY.
So what to talk about kashmir. !
Raja Harisingh who owned Kashmir , signed accession to India., so where does issues with pakistan originate..? Again Pak army forcibily avenged in Kashmir and till today still hold half of it.
They should return Kashmir to India period
Man, this is such a big service to everyone. Can't even thank you enough. It takes a lot of patriotism to actually invest so much time, money and effort to create something like this you know won't go viral or earn you even your money back. But still you do it 💚
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It deserves to go viral.
Every Pakistani should watch it.
@@ThePakistanExperiencekabhi qaum parast ko bhi podcast ka liye bolao
Abul Kalam Azad exlained what will happen to Pakistan. He said the only way for the muslims of India to be free of this ideology is to experience what the failure of Pakistan means. He complained Pakistan means turning the universal message of Islam into an ethic national state. According to him, the next step will be the balkanisation of Pakistan. Some states declare their independence or be seized by local muslim neighbours.
Spot on.
Just a matter of years….he’s right so far about pak
Insha Allah Pakistan will balkanise. Terrorism will increase inside of Pakistan
Pan Islamist he was
23rd March Martyr's day.
Don't know how many of you know
That India gave 12 of its village to Pakistan for hussainiwala village.
Because The tombstones of Shaheed-e-Azam Bhagat Singh, Rajguru and Sukhdev are present here. Apart from this, the samadhi of Bhagat Singh’s partner Batukeshwar Dutt is also present here. Also, the tomb of Vidyavati Devi, the mother of Bhagat Singh, who was awarded the title of Punjab Mata, is also located here.
National Heroes for both India and Pakistan
They fight for united India's independence not Pakistan.....
@@arhammirza1205and that is y they are heroes in our eyes and not religious fanatics who believe in some superior religious identity
@@tanyasekhri14 because Indian ideology and different and Pakistan's ideology is different bhagat Singh worked for the independent indian ideology which we don't won't so yeah he was against our ideology of Pakistan so why would we call him a freedom fighter
India is a federation with unitary features.
Example: 1) Indian states have autonomy. They have complete autonomy in few ministries like law and order, can impose their own tax on certain subjects (you can refer to 7th schedule of Indian constitution) But if there's any emergency like war, financial emergency or constitutional breakdown. Central government will become all powerful and control states. But this provision is used sparingly.
2)States have governor appointed by centre so that centre can have little control over the states.
When we got independence there was fear that India might break down into many countries. So there's a balance of unitary and federal features.
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I absolutely love the direction this channel has taken. From podcasts to videos such as this, just brilliant ❤💯
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Beautifully made. Your passion, your intellectual acumen, and your creativity all at display here.
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Great job, sir! Your videos are absolutely brilliant. I have been a dedicated viewer for the past two and a half years, and I must say that your work has improved tremendously over time. Your podcasts and latest series are incredibly informative, and there's so much to learn from them.
I have one suggestion that I hope you will consider - it would be wonderful if you could incorporate both English and Urdu into your videos. This would make it much easier for some of us to understand your points without having to watch your videos multiple times. Thank you for all that you do, and keep up the fantastic work!
Thank you so much. The plan is to get this entire series out in English then get it out in urdu too.
Thank you so much for this. Will open many eyes of Pakistanis blinded by Pak Studies since years hopefully.
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Hats off to you. I hope one day sanity will prevail on both sides and people on both sides realize the benefits of engaging with each other with good intentions thus benefitting almost two billion people of the sub-continent.
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Excessive importance to religion in all walks of life prevented creativity and inclusiveness distortion of history culture traditions and civilization and DNA.
No doubt religion is used to have things done politically in Pakistan but religion is a hindrance to your own personal growth and creativity is certainly so brash a statement.
You are also talking "DNA"!
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... and which religion? one of the worst of all kind.
Amazing work!!! Thank you so much for doing this :) ... Literally can't wait till you do an episode on the Zia Era cuz I honestly feel that no turning point in Pakistan's History was more consequential then that one, perhaps not even 1971
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Spontaneous works done by you.....
One you will achieve more
Release it in both Urdu and English versions. It will help more ☺️.
Thank you ☺️ for this series
That's the plan. Thank you
Second this
Shehzad bhai u never fail to impress me with ur videos whether they are podcasts, unbiased political videos or this new series keep it up
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There is time to call you Dean of Pakistan Studies in TH-cam University.😎
It's treat to watch this amazing series.
Exitied for next episodes.👍👍
Kudos buddy. Great narration.
I am loving your channel. Thank you for the deep research and for invoking us to read and look for the real history.
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Oh man, can't thank you enough for putting in so many eforts to make such informative and eye-opening content👑
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Hi Shehzad love from India. To your question on federalism in India, the answer is mixed. It is not as federalised as the US but it is also not that centralised as Pakistan. The central, state and concurrent list are specified and the respective entities exercise the functions as prescribed in the list. But still the centre is more powerful since the concurrent list puts more powers in the centre's control. Especially when very strong prime ministers like Indira Gandhi or Narendra Modi came to power the centre got more powerful. But it also have to be understood that many states in India wholly depend on the centre for funds. We do not have the system wherein the particular district or muncipality is able to largely fund itself like in the USA. In India the southern and western states in general are very prosperous and generally fight among themselves for setting up industries like offering good terms for apple or tesla etc. Thats the reason why you must ahve heard foxconn getting confused between telangana and karnataka state about where to set up the factory. But the central states especially the hindi heartland are poor and since they are not able to generate funds themselves, they depend on the centre. In some states like Punjab ,because of populist policies like free electricity etc the debt in the state budget has risen tremendously. Thus even they might need a bailout in the future from the centre. But regarding language rights you are right, we do not have a national language and although Hindi is the official language , outside northern India it is only understood in the urban areas. In all states we have to study the state language in the schools. It is compulsory and all the shops or business establishments have to put the name in the state language. For eg i live in Mumbai and i have to know Marathi language. So the federal picture is not perfect and is rather mixed
Thank you for this
Very nice explanation. And to add one more thing, the police system is a state subject but the commanders, officers, top-cadre etc are all deputed to the state cadre by the centre. They are IPS officers. When in the state, the officers listen to the cm and the state DGP than any central authority. The states also have their own recruitment methods that are different from the central government.
The same with adminstrators, revenue officers, engineering services etc.
Constitutionally india is not a federal state like the US. It is a nation with a permanent center and impermanent states. That’s why new states are often formed. Stated turn into Union territories (Jammu and Kashmir, ladakh) and Union territories turn into states and new states are originated. Nearly 10 new states were created out of old in last 30-34 years .
But India avoided this fissiparous tendencies by not fueling sectarian issues further like the language as india was defined by geography rather than language (or religion).
The real danger to india is loss of Hindu demography, like the territories of current Pakistan. As they lose hindu(or Indic religious ) demography, India sovereignty will be questioned and secessionist tendencies creep up like north east (which has Indic religiousity only 100 years back).
Great video Shehzad, keep it up!
Thank you!
Harappa and Mohenjo daro were found in modern day Pakistan and they dont claim or own it... this is the first thing that baffles me about Pakistan..
Because Pakistanis are people who migrated from several different regions of the Indian subcontinent, most of them can't really relate with nor claim the indus valley culture
@@nidhisawant4313 those migrated from India to Pakistan were less than 10% of total population.
much needed. Thank You for this 🙏
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Perfect day to start, on the day of the death anniversary of Bhagat Singh, Sukhdev and Rajguru who are not just Indian heroes but are the heroes of the Indian subcontinent whether some own it or not, they were simply fighting for the oppressed against the oppressors.
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Good job on editing !
All credit to the editor, Umang Kumar
The pakistan studies lecture we deserved! Behtareen first episode. It is brilliantly written.
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Waah kya baat hai. Whether it is delivery, research or content. Everything is awesome.
You deserve more followers.
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@@ThePakistanExperience sir ddreacts have reacted to ur video with syed muzammil just few minutes ago from india 🇮🇳
Hindutwa bhakts solutions to Pakistani problem : Ghar wapsi ( conversation) to religion of their ancestors is the real permanent SOLUTION to end identify crisis of Pakistan .... Re integrate Pakistan with bharat ... Let Pakistan die and imerge provinces of bharat " Sindhudesh ", " Punjab" , "rajgir " (Kashmir) , gandhara ( KP)....... Unlock the civilizational heritage of ur ancestors blood.
PS: cultural hegemony of bigoted hindutwa ideology.
PSS: secularization of Pakistan is way forward... Not looking back into the past. Look what Mustafa kemal, Nasir did...
That’s true!
This was so enlightening and heart breaking yet so important i.e. to look back and learn from our mistakes. We need to unlearn and learn again. Thank you sooo much Shehzad Ghias. You are a pool of knowledge and wisdom & we look forward to learning from you more 👍👏😃
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You are making a significant difference in the lives of those you serve hope your efforts are appreciated beyond words... Goodluck to you 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
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Very well done Shehzad. This must also be released in Urdu. That’s where it’s much needed unfortunately.
Thats the plan. Thank you
Planting a seed of revolution is one of the basics of an artist and i hope 100 years later you should be remembered as a tiniest part of Pakistan history when it was going through crisis and an artist with his limited resources tried to plant a seed. Good job bro
A proud neighbour❤
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Quality content ❤ great! initiative
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This really is an Video, Loved this
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Honestly I never thought that Pakistani are open minded and accepting the fault lines , but now I realised that there are peole of Pakistan who accpting their previous mistakes. I know that I am whatching this video after while time but I will definitily gonna watch your vidoe respect from India
Brilliant video with great graphics - would love to chat someday in detail.
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Simply Wow!!!
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I was looking forward to this Shehzad bhai post you mentioned this in your talk with Muzamil. Aadab from India! Excellent explanation. Even though I knew most of it as I keep reading a lot about Pakistan. I'm still old fashioned in 'know your neighbour'. I like these discussions with you have with different people. Gives such varied views and gives us soo much knowledge. While in some cases I have my ikhtalaf on the views about my country, India, which I know is due to what you people read there, similar to most Indians on what they read about Pakistan. But on most things I have ittefaq with you. We as the young generation need to have these discussions. Do I think partition was wrong? Yes. Do I think India and Pakistan should re-integrate? Absolutely not, since the time for that has long gone. Do I wish for us being mohazzab padosi? Absolutely. Wish you the best Shehzad!
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Archit, You know more Urdu words than me 😢😮
@@anjalip2616 Bohot Shukriya! Being someone who was born and brought up in Lucknow, it just naturally comes to me. It's also possibly got to do with my love for ghazals. As Shehzad had mentioned in his earlier podcast, Urdu is an Indian language 😊
Perfect a breath of fresh year keep them coming
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Excellent content
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Well said!
I AM ADDICTED TO YOUR CONTENT ,LOVE YOU BROTHER
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True...
Appreciated 👏👏
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An apt commentary.All this after experiencing breakup of the country.I agree we need a strong local govt, empowered to support its fundamental needs like education, health.
Good Idea! Good Work! You should translate this video in all local language so everyone in the country can understand.
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Well done.
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We have relative autonomy here. I live in Maharashtra and most of the decisions we get effected are by state govt including law and order. Just a month back, our state govt had declared a "state anthem" , something like "national anthem". India thrives in the idea of "Unity in diversity" which we all Indians keep on listening since our childhood, but in our local language of respective States. It makes us think that even if we are different, there is this idea of India which we have to respect. We are doing well.. i mean really well.
That's amazing
We also have provincial autonomy in Pakistan. Provinces in Pakistan are even allowed to have their own flags. I highly doubt the states in India are allowed to have their own flags.
@@Lyallpuriya are the states in our country allowed to use their own language? Are schools in our provinces allowed to speak in their mother tongue?
@@moeenkhan5209 The constitution of Pakistan allows each province to have its own official language, teach whatever language in their schools, and freely speak whatever language they want. For example, the provincial government of, let's say, Khyber Pakhtunkhwa is completely free to make Pashto or whatever language they want to be the official language in their province. The constitution allows that! Read Article 251 of the constitution of Pakistan.
Nice summary video yaar, love this shorter format. Also like your thinking in this video. If you will allow me, would like to suggest a few things:
A. Make a video of you speaking along with images
B. Some music at places perhaps
C. Some outside video clips (say old news videos)
Hope I am not being presumptuous, you are doing way better a job than I ever can. It is however easier to be a critic than an artist ! All the best and keep up the good work
Thank you. Will ask the editor to look into all this.
Simply superb !
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Fascinating analysis as always, Shehzad. Dismal news; but it is what it is! Sadly, much of Pakistan's history has been meddled with leaving a trail of despair.
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Hats off to you man ....keep posting this type of content...((and don't stop to throw stones at every barking dog in your way)
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Good effort bhai , let’s break boundaries & cement humanity….
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sahab wayto go 👏
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brilliant effort sir.
Thank you!
You are impressive please make videos in urdu so local people understand the issues love from 🇬🇧🇬🇧
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Excellent talk
Jazakallah!
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Splendid sir.... Must include the modus operandi of operational LG system in your future episode. Thank you!
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Brother... Ur doing best work...
Urr trying to change pakistan
Keep it up❤️
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It is wonderful to view and listen to this type of intellectual video.
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Would love to read the the write up version of this video. I would love to re-read every single letter he has uttered in this video. Someone plz help. How can I?
Good series Shehzad. Here’s some of my unsolicited advice :) :
- Add some very subtle background music
- Make your voice a little boomy (like nerdwriter), just try different mic settings.
- Don’t leave screen blank for too long
- If possible add some soundbites/footage to break the monotony.
- If possible add sound effects for animation(like page turning, chalk, swoosh)
- Only use high quality images, if not available just show yourself speaking( you are a good looking person 😉 )
- If your videos will be around Pakistan, then probably make some map animations and use it again and again.
And as always love from India!
Great feedback. Thank youu
I don't think adding background music is a good idea.
@@ThePakistanExperience please don't add background music. That's distracting.
I think the video is perfect.
Over doing is not a good idea.
If you have seen vox or nerdwriter type video essays then you will find very subtle bg music. This is added to avoid “haunting” effect. You won’t be able to hear it clearly but its there. It is also used to distinguish between different chapters of video. But it must be subtle, not like cheap tv documentary. But I am ok without music too, it’s just a little unnerving.
@@ThePakistanExperiencePLEASE DON'T ADD MUSIC
Brilliant work Shehzad. Well written.
I wish TPE could hire a team of proper animators to help convey this in a more effective way.
Thank you! Animation is mad expensive
There's a lot of competition now among Indian states to bring industry and businesses in their states..every state has its own police system, own public work department, own business, and farming policies etc.
Fact of the matter is Pakistan became reality because of it's "Exclusive nature" ... No matter what ever you want to do "that character" will emerge victorious Every time. ..and that will be the reason for it's miseries.😊
WOOOWWWWW, Mr. Shehzad I would really appreciate if you could do the same series in Urdu language in parallel. I want to show this to my parents!
Plan is to release the ten episodes then release them in urdu then season 2
Also can I put in a request to do a few more series on the Pakistan economy. Your episodes with Miftah and Atif Mian were real gems, as also the episode on the economic history of Pakistan. May be call Miftah back or complete the one on the economic history of Pakistan which got cut off until the 1990s for the lack of time ?
I'll ask these people to come back on the podcast. I am not an expert on the economy so can't do many videos on it.
👌👌👌👌👌👌👌👌👌👌👌👌👌👌👌looking forward to watching the full series, and of course, this has to be in Urdu, the people who need to watch it most will benefit
Would love to be of any help whenever required.
Keep Going
Thank you!
One Pakistani speaks such a gud English along with gud grammar. Highly impressed . Plz keep it up. Love frm gujrat, india ❤
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You yourself have rather impressive English grammar and spelling skills.
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From Pune.
Delightful Watch ..glad.. at least few still speak the truth and are rational in an otherwise mind washed society ... It's a rarity ..so you are doing an exceptional job ..Well done 👍
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For disputed areas you could show that in both the countries with Zig-Zag lines.
which mic do you use?
Shure mv7
please add subtitles and also release these episodes in urdu
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This video is for every Pakistani watch and learn it this will be helpful for your future.
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Couldn’t stop laughing when u recited the faiz ahmed faiz poem in Urdu . It was shehzad the comedian !!!
I coming from India do not have right to comment but we Youth of India(atleast Majority) truly wish The better of Pakistan coz after all we are same, All i wish is Pakistan gets Amazing Leaders and Spokesperson like Him. I request Youth and Intellectuals to come Forward and Save the nation, let us come out of the hate and LET BUILD BETTER FUTURE TOGETHER. ❤❤❤❤
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True... A democratic Pakistan busy in development and progress will be a better neighbour to have than a military-ruled neighbour busy in 'other' activities....
We could be an Indo Union like EU in a distant future as we have strong cultural,/historical and genetic ties... Many spiritual leaders in India have envisioned this future....
Jabardast naration...
Stay on the pattern. Just some black screen in between is little off track, specially in the second half of the video. Otherwise really good audio, video and research. Waiting for more.
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When u have a hammer 🔨 , every problem seems to be nail.
Ps: when u read to many history books, you try to find fault in history and try to amend it.... Ink has dried.... No point scrapping it to erase it, rather write new stuff on it.
Some is using their theatre background here. Good job 👏
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The Day the foundation for dividing secular subcontinent on the basis of religion was laid and religious was become reason for nationhood.
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Rather than 'Idea of Pakistan' you need 'Idea of India' to save yourself.
you r a first pakistani who shows accurate indian map. it reqired lot of guts to abandoned your country moral principle. kudos to you👌
Editor kee ghalti thee
@@ThePakistanExperience is galti ki maafi bhi nahi milega. ghar se bahar dekhiye ek black color ki vigo aa gai hogi. aapko khalai makhlooq dhoond rahe hain.😜🤣
Indian constitution is a combination of both unitary and federal state where more features are there for federal. Thus Indian constitution is mainly federal with some unitary features for national unity and growth.
Liked the video, although it's about a country I do not envy or want to have an association with. Only if there is a way or a tool that exists to find how many Pakistanis watch and like the video.
Nationalism is an imagined idea but any mythical idea can't create a nation there has to be a binding force, it maybe an idea on which every citizens should be agree upon. This idea may be of linguistic, cultural, geographic similarities or a code of laws satisfying the population.
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ADAB , Hon.Shehzad Ghias Shaikh sahib.
Another mind sharping episode THX a lot .........SALUTE.........deep respect for YOU........ADIO'S
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Inspite of knowing history, who and what changes are possible now. Looks no scope.
Sir please attach links which prove that Lahore resolution was passed on 24th March and which show the amendment of 1946 for more transparency and authenticity
Read KK Azizs book The Murder of History. He has all the original references.
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Goosebumps literally
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Fantastic video deeply described, but one feedback please make this in Urdu for the Pakistani local people 👍
Thank you. That is the plan
Amazing! Please keep them comin’
On a lighter note, Khan Sahab ke Islamic touch ki tarah apka Faiz touch kaam kar gaya 😅
Faiz 🖤
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Becoming a fan boy of shahzad bhai❤️ everything was on point bro. keep it up great content 👏
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Pakistan & Norther Ireland are so similar in nature. These nations look as if independent from the outside but that is what they are meant to be, just look like an independent nation but not in reality. British colonization always functioned by partnering with few local minorities of that land. It was Muslims, Jews & the Parsis in India, and hindu Tamils in Sri Lanka, protestant Christians in the Ireland etc. So when Britishers leave, they always try to create a division in that society by creating fear among the minorities. Pakistan perfectly fits into that template. "pakistan ek azad mulk hay"
Very Honest and clear perspective hope your tribe flourishes and lead Pakistan Inshallah
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