@@nando6294 a CVT is a continuously variable transmission. I’m not an expert on transmissions, but I do know that a CVT uses a belt instead of gears like in a traditional transmission.
Glad to see Matt’s towing and recovery didn’t have to come out! Roman, the helmet you got Tommy was the best! Supersized metal flake, perfect to go along with the f100 off-road reviews. Thx guy’s, funny fun stuff!
The helmet purchase was a nice nod to the Grand Tour show. Tommy's helmet color went really well with what he was wearing. lol The talon sounds bad. Looked very capable. But your size fit impressions are the key. Not for bulky people. That is great to know. Thanks! :)
@@JayNayMay ehh, not really. The guys from side by side blog put a few different lighter sets of 32's on theirs and said it was completely fine. My buddy has one with heavier 30's on it and you can't even tell the difference.
Honda Talon 1000 R for wide open desert & Talon 1000 X for rock crawling or to drive in smaller trails in the mountains or forests. You could also buy a super charger from Honda which gives it a lot more horsepower that makes the Talon more competitive to other SxS brands.
Turbo costs over $5k with installation and basically voids manufacturers warranty plus from the rigs we’ve seen add them, a lot of transmission issues and intake issues, not to mention the machine just wasn’t built very heavy duty. The roll cage is one of the worst in SXS industry outside the YXZ. No thanks
@@snowrulesnate to each his own, but just an FYI, the Jackson Racing turbo does not void the warranty and being a Talon owner, I’m pretty involved in the Talon world and I’ve not heard anything about the turbos causing any tranny problems. The Talon cage is 2” as opposed to others being 1 7/8”, so I doubt they are less structurally sound than other OEM cages.
@@razorsedgeadventures6599 your experience may be different thus far with voided warranties related to turbo add on and transmission issues but it does exist and Honda has stated they cannot guarantee manufacturer warranty with the turbo mod. Probably depends a lot on whether your dealer will “leave the turbo add on out of the claim”. The wall thickness of the cage and lack of sufficient bracing support is the cause for concern in rollovers. No manufacturer is perfect, I understand, but Honda didn’t really make this machine very strong when you examine the frame and suspension components compared to everyone except Yamaha whose notably on the weak side as well.
I still use a Harley helmet off road lol. It has the sun glasses that pop down and make it look like a fighter pilot helmet. It works so ive never bothered buying a full face off road helmet 😂
I can’t help feeling that transmission is going to be expensive when those clutches break. At least it’s only a belt you are replacing with the others.
I understand, I often do the numbers just playing like if I had the big bucks... My 2008 Polaris 800 Razor cost way more to maintain than my RV ever did. Never forgot, never will buy another UTV because I realize its another $$$ gobbler.
@@Malc664 - I believe todays UTV’s are pretty danged good. The market sets prices for these units. Its just the way it is. I have friends that put 0 down, pay for many years lowest payment they can get too. Personally, I think its stupid. But, they want to make other people think they got big bucks when mortgaged and credit to death doth they part from this earthly existence. Broke
My issue with UTV’s; the average consumer only puts 16 hours or less a month if that. Before reaching 1000hrs or miles rig needs drive belt replacement. Then an alinement, then yadda yadda this or that. $800 later.... Shop rate $150 per hour. Customers get sucked into buying 4 year warranty. Figure how many actual hours does a working stiff put on a UTV toy, ain’t much really. Its about four years when big item parts break. Mine was electrical in nature that P.O.’d me the most.
If you care to know why the Talon has bad geometry for high speed desert running, then watch this video -> th-cam.com/video/Tgi_v9VkNPY/w-d-xo.html . Basically, the rear suspension arms are too short which transfers the wheels force into the chassis behind and above the center of gravity and it gets worse as the suspension droops. . Also, the independent suspension on the talon gains and looses wheel track with articulation, which means when the weight of the vehicle is transferred onto the front and rear wheels, the wheels compress and are forced outwards onto the ground laterally. If both wheels have equal resistance its fine, but if one wheel has more grip than the other it will literally push your vehicle off line. . The speed utv and KRX1000 have suspension that alters the wheels camber throughout the suspension travel so the wheel contacting ground keeps the tract width throughout the suspension travel. -> th-cam.com/video/gEcqcJrxEdo/w-d-xo.html . It has been reported by actual SXS desert race teams that it has poor geometry. Also, anyone objectively looking over the vehicle can see how small the suspension components are.
@@KTMcaptain - Thank you. I deleted my original opinion/reply, because I have no skin in this game. My being disabled mentally messes with my brain activity as I am very limited what I can actually do. Versus what I used to do- be able to do. Your post about awaiting bigger badder, faster had me thinking about Can-AM machines I cannot even contemplate ever owning. Scary fast to these old eyes. I’ve almost been run over several times here in our Mojave Desert. Many years ago I just stopped heading out there even just to camp. With Covid, every aspect of our recreational workplace favorite restaurants has me in certain depression state of mind. Thanks Firestarter, be safe out there 😎
@@garbinator09 Well I just wanted you to know I wasn't trying to troll Honda and that it was based off legitimate analysis. The Shock Therapist races SCORE, STORR, BITD, and creates suspension packages for every sport sxs. If you are interested, Robby Gordon does a technical briefing on the Speed UTVs every week where they explain everything from suspension geometry to the philosophy behind their turbo manifold. Take care of yourself.
Its Great the Talon doesn’t have a belt transmission...but Honda messed up some important stuff. The location of the instrument cluster is horrible and the air intake system is one of the dumbest things I’ve ever seen a manufacturer do. There are numerous other problems and that’s why I would go with a Yamaha YXZ instead.
So it compares better to the YXZ now... not to bash it but the YXZ had this stuff back in 2017* although the talon does get the uper hand with live valve.
The YXZ had a dual clutch transmission, automatic transmission, 18 inch of front travel and a little over 20 inch rear travel, i4wd? 2 totally different machines
So I can ride a motorcycle 70 mph on pavement without a helmet but when you ride in the talon with a roll cage and seatbelts in sand you need one? Sounds about right from someone that would actually own the ridgeline but for the riding I’ve watched you guys do on other reviews I would say helmets are definitely not needed.
Hear ya, here in Calif ignorant riders fly straight into UTV operator laps often. Pismo beach is considered casualty producing beach land as numerous vehicles crash or land on top of each other. 75,000 users amassing on only 1500 acres of beach. It’ll all end in three years I understand. 1500 acres, out of original 60 miles of coastal drivable area back in the 1950’s. Before than nobody cared
@@jaydenlobbezoo1971 - buy a built unit according to your specs. For sell everywhere off-road custom shops located near vast desert regions. Most under $30,000. Huge choices of engines so on.
$23k is kind of a decent price for that. But remember, it doesn't have good desert suspension geometry, it's going to be slow in the dunes, and has an open front diff so it's not going to be great at rock crawling (plus the DCT isn't the best for rock crawling). . Wait for a speed utv. They are starting at $30k, comes with the most suspension travel, 3.5" internal bypass shocks, geometry designed by a trophy truck race team, a 225hp/300hp e85 engine designed with IndyCar engine builders, and comes with a stout frame and cage. Just look at how dinky the Talon's frame is... people spend thousands on upgrading frame and cage upgrades across the SXS that are already implemented on the Speed units.
Even with Live Valve the factory springs are garbage, and the shocks need to be revalved. Plus, the factory air intake sucks the dirt off the right rear tire. Huge FAIL for Honda.
And the Talon was not designed to compete with the X3 Turbo R. If Honda ever decides to make a machine to compete with the Big Polaris or Can Am they will crush them. On a normal trail with normal traffic you will never use all that Can Am can produce.
Thanks for always posting weekend videos for us east coast early birds 💪
Or west coast night shift hospital workers
i realize it is kinda randomly asking but do anyone know a good site to watch new movies online ?
It’s nice to see a side-by-side that doesn’t have a CVT for once.
What’s a CVT?
@@nando6294 a CVT is a continuously variable transmission. I’m not an expert on transmissions, but I do know that a CVT uses a belt instead of gears like in a traditional transmission.
Glad to see Matt’s towing and recovery didn’t have to come out! Roman, the helmet you got Tommy was the best! Supersized metal flake, perfect to go along with the f100 off-road reviews. Thx guy’s, funny fun stuff!
Who cares about Matt's towing nothing to do with anything
So we got a call, couple Colorado folks got stuck at sand hollow.
The helmet purchase was a nice nod to the Grand Tour show. Tommy's helmet color went really well with what he was wearing. lol The talon sounds bad. Looked very capable. But your size fit impressions are the key. Not for bulky people. That is great to know. Thanks! :)
The Talon looks great when you put 32's on it.
Wondering the same, or 30/31’s Wondering if regearing would be another expense
@@garbinator09 you don't really need to regear if you get light tires.
I agree but then it becomes a big slug
@@JayNayMay ehh, not really. The guys from side by side blog put a few different lighter sets of 32's on theirs and said it was completely fine. My buddy has one with heavier 30's on it and you can't even tell the difference.
It’s not powerful enough for 32s needs a turbo
Tommy is the only 24 yr old that knows who Evil Knievel is. Awesome!
You should have gotten stuck there and called Matt's offroad recovery What a missed opportunity to collab
Wtf
Probably the one I would buy just because of the drive-line (no belts) and the first mods would be larger tires and the turbo.
I love all the machines, but I buy Honda's for a reason. They're just different, and they fit me.
Honda INVENTED the Power Sports segment,,,,,they know a thing or two about a thing or two! 😝
That ridgeline is gorgeous. I wish i was more into side by sides.
In your opinion, does the Live Valve ride any smoother over the slow bumpy terrain? Rather than the non Live Valve?
Honda Talon 1000 R for wide open desert & Talon 1000 X for rock crawling or to drive in smaller trails in the mountains or forests. You could also buy a super charger from Honda which gives it a lot more horsepower that makes the Talon more competitive to other SxS brands.
Honda offers a turbocharger kit, not a supercharger. Brings output to around 170 hp.
Turbo costs over $5k with installation and basically voids manufacturers warranty plus from the rigs we’ve seen add them, a lot of transmission issues and intake issues, not to mention the machine just wasn’t built very heavy duty. The roll cage is one of the worst in SXS industry outside the YXZ. No thanks
@@snowrulesnate to each his own, but just an FYI, the Jackson Racing turbo does not void the warranty and being a Talon owner, I’m pretty involved in the Talon world and I’ve not heard anything about the turbos causing any tranny problems. The Talon cage is 2” as opposed to others being 1 7/8”, so I doubt they are less structurally sound than other OEM cages.
@@razorsedgeadventures6599 your experience may be different thus far with voided warranties related to turbo add on and transmission issues but it does exist and Honda has stated they cannot guarantee manufacturer warranty with the turbo mod. Probably depends a lot on whether your dealer will “leave the turbo add on out of the claim”. The wall thickness of the cage and lack of sufficient bracing support is the cause for concern in rollovers. No manufacturer is perfect, I understand, but Honda didn’t really make this machine very strong when you examine the frame and suspension components compared to everyone except Yamaha whose notably on the weak side as well.
I still use a Harley helmet off road lol. It has the sun glasses that pop down and make it look like a fighter pilot helmet. It works so ive never bothered buying a full face off road helmet 😂
What a tough job guys...
OK, I'm a tiny bit jealous, maybe.
I can’t help feeling that transmission is going to be expensive when those clutches break. At least it’s only a belt you are replacing with the others.
Yxz is 200$ for clutches
Finding it hard to see 23k's worth in that toy.
I understand, I often do the numbers just playing like if I had the big bucks... My 2008 Polaris 800 Razor cost way more to maintain than my RV ever did. Never forgot, never will buy another UTV because I realize its another $$$ gobbler.
@@garbinator09 Was it reliable? They don't seem very heavy-duty. Idk much about them, but maybe they're ok in sand dunes and no rough stuff.
@@Malc664 - I believe todays UTV’s are pretty danged good. The market sets prices for these units. Its just the way it is. I have friends that put 0 down, pay for many years lowest payment they can get too. Personally, I think its stupid. But, they want to make other people think they got big bucks when mortgaged and credit to death doth they part from this earthly existence.
Broke
My issue with UTV’s; the average consumer only puts 16 hours or less a month if that. Before reaching 1000hrs or miles rig needs drive belt replacement. Then an alinement, then yadda yadda this or that. $800 later....
Shop rate $150 per hour. Customers get sucked into buying 4 year warranty. Figure how many actual hours does a working stiff put on a UTV toy, ain’t much really. Its about four years when big item parts break. Mine was electrical in nature that P.O.’d me the most.
Good on Honda lending y-all the whole package! I’m jealous! 🤗
If you care to know why the Talon has bad geometry for high speed desert running, then watch this video -> th-cam.com/video/Tgi_v9VkNPY/w-d-xo.html
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Basically, the rear suspension arms are too short which transfers the wheels force into the chassis behind and above the center of gravity and it gets worse as the suspension droops.
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Also, the independent suspension on the talon gains and looses wheel track with articulation, which means when the weight of the vehicle is transferred onto the front and rear wheels, the wheels compress and are forced outwards onto the ground laterally. If both wheels have equal resistance its fine, but if one wheel has more grip than the other it will literally push your vehicle off line.
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The speed utv and KRX1000 have suspension that alters the wheels camber throughout the suspension travel so the wheel contacting ground keeps the tract width throughout the suspension travel. -> th-cam.com/video/gEcqcJrxEdo/w-d-xo.html
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It has been reported by actual SXS desert race teams that it has poor geometry. Also, anyone objectively looking over the vehicle can see how small the suspension components are.
@@KTMcaptain - Thank you. I deleted my original opinion/reply, because I have no skin in this game. My being disabled mentally messes with my brain activity as I am very limited what I can actually do. Versus what I used to do- be able to do.
Your post about awaiting bigger badder, faster had me thinking about Can-AM machines I cannot even contemplate ever owning. Scary fast to these old eyes. I’ve almost been run over several times here in our Mojave Desert. Many years ago I just stopped heading out there even just to camp. With Covid, every aspect of our recreational workplace favorite restaurants has me in certain depression state of mind. Thanks Firestarter, be safe out there 😎
@@garbinator09 Well I just wanted you to know I wasn't trying to troll Honda and that it was based off legitimate analysis. The Shock Therapist races SCORE, STORR, BITD, and creates suspension packages for every sport sxs. If you are interested, Robby Gordon does a technical briefing on the Speed UTVs every week where they explain everything from suspension geometry to the philosophy behind their turbo manifold. Take care of yourself.
@@KTMcaptain - Many thanks sir. I do enjoy viewing newest technologies, way way better than Netflix or NetFlops 🥵
Just watched Bobby Gordon’s Speed UTV. Damn! Good stuff!
Agree with roman about getting a 4dr. Prefer Can Am Maverick
Its Great the Talon doesn’t have a belt transmission...but Honda messed up some important stuff. The location of the instrument cluster is horrible and the air intake system is one of the dumbest things I’ve ever seen a manufacturer do. There are numerous other problems and that’s why I would go with a Yamaha YXZ instead.
So it compares better to the YXZ now... not to bash it but the YXZ had this stuff back in 2017* although the talon does get the uper hand with live valve.
The YXZ had a dual clutch transmission, automatic transmission, 18 inch of front travel and a little over 20 inch rear travel, i4wd? 2 totally different machines
So I can ride a motorcycle 70 mph on pavement without a helmet but when you ride in the talon with a roll cage and seatbelts in sand you need one? Sounds about right from someone that would actually own the ridgeline but for the riding I’ve watched you guys do on other reviews I would say helmets are definitely not needed.
Hear ya, here in Calif ignorant riders fly straight into UTV operator laps often. Pismo beach is considered casualty producing beach land as numerous vehicles crash or land on top of each other. 75,000 users amassing on only 1500 acres of beach. It’ll all end in three years I understand. 1500 acres, out of original 60 miles of coastal drivable area back in the 1950’s. Before than nobody cared
And your point means what? A humans personnel safety is on them and no one should care.
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Thank you for sharing
Only complaint is it has low power for a sport machine
It has as much power as any of the other naturally aspirated sport machines on the market.
The Honda pair versus a Jeep Gladiator. Which would you spend your $60 K on?
Jeep Gladinator.
Gladiator with a can am on the trailer
Honda. If I bought the Gladiator, I'd need a blindfold so I couldn't see it.
My ‘06 Ridgeline will outlast these new gladiators.
Jeep!
I wish they had a foot clutch and stick shift like a car. Best for off road ?? No...but it certainly would be fun!
Yamaha did that with the YXZ and it was different and just didn't work well
@@jaydenlobbezoo1971 - buy a built unit according to your specs. For sell everywhere off-road custom shops located near vast desert regions. Most under $30,000. Huge choices of engines so on.
I want the 4 seater...for my family of 4
So we got a call for a Honda side by side...
Lol plenty of power, riiiiiight
Yamaha has had launch control for a long time already...
$23k is kind of a decent price for that. But remember, it doesn't have good desert suspension geometry, it's going to be slow in the dunes, and has an open front diff so it's not going to be great at rock crawling (plus the DCT isn't the best for rock crawling).
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Wait for a speed utv. They are starting at $30k, comes with the most suspension travel, 3.5" internal bypass shocks, geometry designed by a trophy truck race team, a 225hp/300hp e85 engine designed with IndyCar engine builders, and comes with a stout frame and cage. Just look at how dinky the Talon's frame is... people spend thousands on upgrading frame and cage upgrades across the SXS that are already implemented on the Speed units.
I don’t know about Rock crawling, mine is a beast in the rocks we have in Colorado.
Needs 32" tires and a turbo
That's what the aftermarket is for.
@@deving3370 then why did my Can Am come from the factory with all of it?
Puddin bowl ! 🤣
The Kawasaki KRX 1000 is a beast, much better choice for rock crawling and trail riding than this Honda talon.
and a dud in the sand and tight corners guess they all their plus and minus huh
@@kidamere2408 So true, I picked a Kawasaki because of the plush suspension and going up rocky Trails here in Arizona.
No way would I get a side by side in the four seater.
Even with Live Valve the factory springs are garbage, and the shocks need to be revalved. Plus, the factory air intake sucks the dirt off the right rear tire. Huge FAIL for Honda.
Nice!! :-)
Oh man, don't pronounce Hurricane like that in front of any locals Roman, they will not appreciate it 🙆🏼♂️😂. Thanks for the review 🙌🏻!
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Nope. My maverick x3 turbo R will kill it every time. Even with 3 spots ahead.
And the Talon was not designed to compete with the X3 Turbo R. If Honda ever decides to make a machine to compete with the Big Polaris or Can Am they will crush them. On a normal trail with normal traffic you will never use all that Can Am can produce.
Seriously you guys... you've got a roll cage, why do you need helmets?
Maybe some bump helmets for the bars?
Wow look guys it's a $20,000 go cart