Toshiba 43VJ33Q Rear Projection CRT TV with games
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 12 ก.ย. 2024
- Rear projection TVs aren't as bad as you remember. I picked up a couple of these for £50 each. Superb for old games if you like scanlines and lightgun support. Save them from skips, trash, teardowns etc...
Please don't pay much for one though - old stuff is full of obsolete parts and will likely need repairing (one of my two does already). The same applies to broadcast monitors, arcade PCBs and anything else decades old and electrical, of course, but it doesn't stop folk burning the cash :-)
Aaaah what a memories... This is a complete perfection! very nice to see it again.
That is amazing shooting light guns on a screen that big.
Hi folks, just to say TH-cam seems to be a bit trigger-happy in deleting comments (it's not me, I can assure you), so if you have a question and it disappears immediately, please try again (and maybe remove any links).
I was under the impression that Rear Projection are low in brightness and don't have scanlines on 240p signal. Guess I was wrong.
Just be careful of 100Hz rear-projection TVs - there were a few of those around in the 00's and they most likely don't have scanlines as they upscale the image to 480p. In fact even Sega's Megalo 410 Rear projection cabinet doesn't have scanlines as it has an upscaler PCB :-(.
I know that's an old video... But have you ever had some issues shooting the corners? I have an Lg onr and it works with the Guncons, but the corners are a tad darkers and sometimes some shots don't regeister.
incredible looks like the arcade!
So is the 43VJ33Q a CRT? I was thinking about picking one up for my n64
Looks fantastic! Are you able to record some NEOGEO footage on this TV? I would like to see how the result looks like with scanlines. Cheers
Yeah, I’ve got an MVS and a few games, so I’ll see if I can do an update or a second video at some point in the next month or two. Does look great though. There’s a video of Viewpoint in my Ampro CRT projector video - that shows how it can look on a triple CRT setup.
@@beaumotplage thx man, I'm asking since I have the chance to buy this tv next week :)
I would do it anyway, if it’s cheap. I just picked up another one for £0 yesterday!
If you Google “ where are the rear projection games” you will see a link to a thread on UKVAC. There is a picture of some MVS games on this TV in there. This was before I recalibrated the TV, so the image is much better now, but it will give you an idea of how a Neo Geo will look :-). Basically it’ll look like SF3 and Elevator Action 2 in this video (15kHz, progressive scan)
@@beaumotplage thanks for the link! appreciate it :) ok I'm gonna buy this beast next week then since it's quite cheap, 40 bucks. Looks like I'll have a good time afterwards ^^ I'll leave a comment later one here once I tested it. Cheers!
@@micolino83 Good luck. I should probably remind you that some are a bit better than others as you get burn-in and gradual ageing, so it is a little bit of a gamble, but a cheap one :-). Check the screen isn't badly cracked too as you'll struggle to find a replacement. And get a remote as it's useless without one.
Connect a games system to it and when there's a picture, you can adjust the convergence in the OSD (let it warm up for 10 minutes first). Sort the centre crosshairs out first and then do the corners. There's also a very powerful convergence in the hidden factory menu, but you shouldn't need that. Actually got me thinking I might do a video guide on it.
Hey! I've bought an LG one and the corners are a tad darkers the rest of the screen, I've noticed that the shots aren't registered in these areas. Does this happen with yours too?
You do have to be pretty central on Time Crisis 2, but otherwise that was ok. After I did this video, I found Ninja Assault more problematic on the edges - I think I had to jack the brightness up a lot, but I can't remember now - I must look again.
Did you need to use a converter board for the CPS3 to display on this? I thought about picking one of these up locally for all my entertainment needs (VHS, arcade boards, etc.). A lot of monitors need a scaler, especially PC CRTs since they _only_ do 480p and up. My goal is to play House of the Dead 1 on the original Model 2C board at home as I already have most of the parts, but it requires a medium res (24.8khz) monitor that actually outputs video from the game's gun I/O board itself.
This TV is native 15kHz, so that matches arcade JAMMA boards, so the only converter I used was some op-amps to scale the voltages down to 75ohm SCART levels (a UK/EU supergun circuit - see my JammaToTV video for a diagram). Sadly 24kHz games are in a bit of a no-man's-land as far as TVs and monitors are concerned - this TV won't do it, I don't know any that will . CRT projectors often sync to 24kHz though (mine do), so I guess you may be able to play a giant game of HOTD against a wall (not much help - sorry)
That looks so rad, I'm thinking about picking one of these up :)
I do have a question though, which I hope you could answer; What is the brightness like in daytime with the curtains open?
It's a good question. I wouldn't run it with the sunlight straight onto the TV, but otherwise you don't particularly need a dark room like you would a projector. Obviously it's not as bright as a standard CRT/LCD and it has a very narrow viewing angle. Same tech as you got in the arcades, so if you see a Time Crisis 4 with original screen, this is the same sort-of brightness.
@@beaumotplage Allright, cool. This is the most cost effective way to get the 'massive crt' experience I guess.
I'm probably gonna nab one of these for the time being, or at least until I find a suitable Grundig M95 or Loewe art 9500 or something, lol
Thanks for the response :)
Really Good!
Scanlines are not bad! But brightness regularity is not so good
It isn't as good as a conventional CRT, but if you're sitting looking at the centre, then it's fine - far better than video and pictures can convey - projection CRTs seem very difficult to photograph well - they always photo too bright in the centre and too dim on the outsides, which isn't quite the reality.
@@beaumotplage yes! I remember seeing one in real life.. the picture had best brightness from a distance but if you went close to the screen there would appear to be bars at the top abd bottom .. I think it is due to the screen of the projector.. to allow light from the behind reach the front and to remove reflections..
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Nice job! But with the liquid cooling, how do you handle draining the water, if condensation happens at all?
Hi, it's usually monoethylene glycol, which is also dyed, so not easy to get ahold of (in the UK anyway). It's a build-up of bacterial mould that seems to appear in some CRT projection setups and actually folk try to capture and re-use the coolant, it's so hard to find. But fortunately none of the 3 34VJ33Qs I have seem to suffer from this, as it looks a pain - drain the coolant, slice off the silicon-bonded lens, clean the lens, re-seal it and refill. My Barco projector does have mould on one of the lenses so I might do an experiment with a UV light source to see if that kills the mould without needing to dismantle.
Good find. How did you achieve the overscan reduction? Or do those games crop themselves?
The moment I got the TV(s), I was into the factory service menu (I think it's volume-down on the TV + mute on the remote) and adjusting the image size for games. One setting seems to suit most things, although I've not tried a huge amount of arcade PCBs on it (I expect some older titles might now look a bit small). I'm not sure what it'd look like with TV/Movies now, but that'll never happen as it's purely a gaming monitor :-D.
@@beaumotplage Fair enough. If you really want a challenge, you could install shims, but that's a massive project that requires refocusing, calibration, and complete convergence.
I would looove to have one of these but the difficulty of transporting makes ot not realistic
Can i use one of these for my laptop?
And have you tried Games or Movies that has Disadvange to the Scanlines. Are the Picture Sharp?
It's only a 240p/480i TV, so you can't run anything that wasn't intended for scanlines or interlacing. I would imagine it looks ok with DVDs, but I haven't tried it.
Here's a video of the Wii running a beat-em-up in 480i. I think it looks rather nice (albeit 4:3).
th-cam.com/video/CGn_AaQxyyE/w-d-xo.html
And here's the same image on an OLED using an upscaler. th-cam.com/video/ooj4ywjKxNQ/w-d-xo.html
I do prefer the CRT in this case for older systems/games intended for 480i/240p
@@beaumotplage You can also try to vhs. Who I think, you would more Made for this.
@@BeatemupMaster DVDs were first released in 1996, and becoming common by the late 90s, so that was still pretty firmly in the CRT era too. They do seem to look better on CRT, but I suppose part of that is just because modern TVs are also considerably bigger(than conventional, not rptv, crts) now.
Would you say this is better than OLED screen? I might want to get a CRT Rear Projection TV as a main TV
Sadly, no, I'd say it's very different.
If you want to play old games at native resolution (240p or 480i) and use lightguns, then it's brilliant.
But if you want 720p, 1080p, 4k, then that's LCD/OLED territory.
The viewing angle is very poor on these too - LCD and OLED will be on another planet in terms of brightness at all angles.
Of course if there was a multi-sync, HD 50"+ (4:3 or widescreen) version on one of these, I'd be in heaven, but there isn't (and the 'HD' sets have horrible image upscaling that adds lag, removes the scanlines and makes them lightgun incompatible)..
So I love these TVs to bits, but they're from another era to be used with games from another era :-(.
I do have other videos of CRT projectors uploaded - they can come in a huge range of resolutions, the issue it they're insanely massive and you need to build a screen. Plus a lot of this stuff is rather old and will likely require repairing at some point (I had to fix one of mine due to a convergence circuit issue).
@@beaumotplage the input lag and response time of LCD and OLED is so trash, i prefer the plasma and CRT with ZERO input lag and response time.
@@AugustoV8Cesar It's gets complicated - this TV is definitely zero lag, but some CRTs have lag (HD TVs that upscale 240p) and I think plasmas have lag too (well the digitally controlled ones do as they sample the frame). I've got an OLED which states the lag is less than one video frame , which is pretty impressive but obviously nowhere near the speed of a CRT working with a scanline lightgun - there is something wonderful about the response and accuracy of old light guns
@@beaumotplage agree, the input lag of a plasma tv is 0,001ms @600 up to 3.000hz while the CRT are 0ms(acording with light's speed) and frame rate are variable but still higher than all LCD and OLED ever produced, CRT TVs adjust their laser beans in order to ''upscale'' its Image, i found it all just by asking to google,thank you google.
@@beaumotplage Yes, I agree about the input lag on the Plasma.. So far.. My Panasonic ST60 have the worst input lag of all Plasma. otherwise, It's still have the beautiful display that LED TV can't match.
I see this is running 480i. Would the light guns be compatible running on a 480p or 720p? Or does everything have to be i? Trying to build my set up for an Xbox
Hi, it wouldn't surprise me if all the PS2 gun games are 480i, any maybe the same for XBOX. There weren't so many HD CRTs out there and I bet a few of them had digital image processing which would wreck the precise timing of the beam that these games rely upon. Of course you could get progressive shooting games in arcades (Virtua Cop, HOTD), so the technology is viable, but they were complete systems so paired to be compatible.
beaumotplage hey, thanks the swift reply. So on Xbox, there’s a whole thing where you can push games to run in 480p and even 720p. If the games run on the Xbox in 480p or 720p, you think it will be fine on a 480p/720p TV with a light gun? Or does the light gun tech rely on the screen (and game) running in “i “? There’s so many variables in all this it’s hard to figure it out from reading online !!
@@MattHunterx The scanline-based light guns rely on the beam timing, so if you go to progressive, the beam moves twice as quick (31kHz 480P vs 15kHz 480i). I don't know what goes on inside the console and the gun to handle it (the game code won't be counting the beam time in software as it's orders-of-magnitude too quick), but I would be very surprised if any form of 'mod' to a game/console to change 480i to 480p would still allow a lightgun to work. Of course, if the game states 480p on the box, then that's another matter. I have to admit, I know little about what's on Xbox - this PS2 is fairly new to me as well, and looking into that, 480p seems very hit and miss for which games run (and the light gun games don't). So definitely tread carefully if you want lightguns and a progressive-only display setup.
@@MattHunterx I read some people managed some success with hd crt light gun games if u look on reddit, some games work better than others though
Please help, I found the Sony KP-61XBR300 in my country, said is a DLP SDTV 61", 60Hz. Will be works like you Toshiba?
Hi, the Sony is a three-CRT projector, like mine. The Sony is also of a much higher specification - it will operate up to 1080i, it has a vast array of inputs. My concern though is that it might have image processing, such as upscaling, that will remove the nice scanlines and the compatibility with lightguns. I looked at the manual and I think this is probably true, but I can't see if it is de-selectable to get a 'raw' image. If that doesn't matter, it's probably a very nice, huge 4:3 TV.
@@beaumotplage Thanks for your answer, actually I want a TV of this type just for that, light gun games with scanlines for retro games...
What do you think about this one: Toshiba 61"" model 61A60A.
Thanks in advance
Hope could you help me with this, or what are the conditions that we need to mind when try to buy a RPTV for retro gaming?
Thanks in advance
@@israelgonzalezabrego3551 Hi, I think that 61" Toshiba might also have lots of upscaling hardware. It has component input, suggesting 480P and has things like picture-in-picture and noise reduction. Like the other TV, you might be able to disable it, and it might be a superb TV to own/rescue, but you might be safer looking at slightly older TVs which don't have the aforementioned inputs/features.
Did you follow me on UKVAC the other day (someone did) - I can send you a message if-so (happy to review any TVs).
Great setup! Question. The scanlines are with scanline generator?
No, they are 100% real :-). That's a Taito F3 and Capcom CPS3 arcade PCB outputting a 15kHz "240p" image. Any 15kHz games console (Megadrive, SNES, PS1, Saturn) would get genuine scanlines too. This TV only does 15kHz 240p or 480i images (so useless for modern stuff, brilliant for 80's/90's stuff).
@@beaumotplage Amazing!! This type of monitors throw those scanlines / the shadows in the frame is not like annoying? Its value to get this crt proyection models
@@Arkeid-gg6fq You must be sure you buy a 15kHz model like this Toshiba and NOT a 100Hz or 'HD' as they might upscale the image, adding lag and losing the scanlines. The actual picture is better than this video! - there are no shadows (your eyes can't see them). The only real limitation is the viewing angle - you have to view the centre of the screen directly or it is much darker. If you see a TV you like, put the model number on here and I can try to work out if it is native 15kHz.
@@beaumotplage Tku so much 4 your time & all the information!! Take care!!
@@beaumotplage one guy sales to me - Toshiba 43h70 - is this a good one?
So did you build this tv or did you buy it as is
I bought it as-is - no modifications at all :-) (just a clean and tweaking the convergence). £50GBP. I've actually bought three of them, I like them so much (I use one as my arcade machine - see the last few minutes of my other video: th-cam.com/video/E1fAEn44i_A/w-d-xo.html
good tv toshiba if it could be used as a vga monitor in tv projection crt :)
You need to get one of the 100Hz HD models for that -they did a few around the same era :-). Those should handle VGA, but I think they digitally process older 240P/480i games so you lose the scanlines and all the old scanline-based lightguns won't work. Could always make something with an ultrashort projector for a big 4:3 VGA TV too (see my other video).
@@beaumotplage ok
@@beaumotplage Wonder what the picture would look like if you removed the front panel and just used a projector screen or wall?
@@monkstandinglast I have some other videos with CRT projectors (which is the same tech as these and I think they look superb for old games too). The problem with doing that to these TVs is the lenses are short-throw, so it won't focus much further than the distance to the front of the screen. I think there's a lot of keystone in the image too (to overcome the distortion from the angle of the mirror), so you'd have to keep that too or it would be a very wonky image.
@@beaumotplage Cheers for replying appreciated thanks
Just put an xzbox sewries X or a PS5 on it and make an video