According to the IBC definition, corridor is an enclosed EXIT ACCESS, exit passageway is EXIT component. So if we need to connect two EXITS with "horizontal corridor like space", this space needs to be exit passageway, which make it part of the exit. And the code does not forbid to use the exit passageway as circulation whether egress or ingress , the same as stairway. Just image all the elevators are not working, and we have to use the stairs to go up the floors, the code does not forbid that.
I think we both mean well. IBC 2021 1024.1 states: An exit passageway shall not be used for any purpose other than as a means of egress and a circulation path." I acknowledge that you can use the exit passageway for "circulation" but, if an exit passageway could be used for anything, what good does this section do? and if "circulation" is all encompassing, and includes ingress as well as egress, then what is the code trying to avoid? Why even have this code section?
Could you do a video and explain the difference between exit stairway( interior/ exterior exit stairway) and exit access stairway? When are they required?
An exit passageway CAN be used for ingress; the code does not limit it solely to egress. IBC/CBC 1024.1: “…An exit passageway shall not be used for any purpose other than as a means of egress AND A CIRCULATION PATH.”
Answer me this: if an exit passageway can be used for egress, circulation, and per your interpretation, also for ingress, what “other purpose” is there left?
@@archicorner Good question. The prohibited "other purposes" are further inferred elsewhere in 1024 by virtue of the additional fire protection and limitations on use of a passageway as compared to the other things that can occur in a corridor. Exit passageways differ from corridors in that they have significant limitations on the number and types of openings and penetrations. For example, door openings can only be from "normally occupied spaces"(1024.5); so a janitor closet or mechanical room or storage room could not have a doorway directly into an exit passageway. Elevators cannot open into an exit passageway (1024.5). Electrical junction boxes are limited to 16 square inches (1024.6), and ventilation penetrations are limited (1024.7). If I had a corridor at school, I could put lockers in the corridor; I can't do that with an exit passageway. I don't think I could put other furniture, artwork or video entertainment screens in an exit passageway, because those are for "other purposes" than circulation. Keep in mind that the phrase "circulation path" is a defined term in 202: "An interior or exterior way of passage from one place to another for pedestrians"; there is nothing in that definition that requires the direction of passage to be solely toward an exit. If the code intended for exit passageways to be solely for exiting, then the phrase "...and a circulation path..." should have been omitted from 1024.1, right?
Examples of “Other purposes” allowed in a corridor but not allowed in an exit passageway: access to/from normally unoccupied spaces, such as storage and utility closets, restrooms etc.; lockers, artwork, video displays and other fixed furnishings are allowed in corridors; electrical boxes larger than 16 sq. inches can be used in corridors.
@@renenava5213 1. I notice you didn’t cite the code in your objection. 2. If your concern is solely about people traveling in 2 directions, then you should also object to corridors, lobbies, and any other part of the MOE that allows ingress as well as egress. No one in these comments has explained what the words “AND A CIRCULATION PATH” means and why 1024.1 treats it as a distinct purpose other than means of egress. My comment stands.
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Josue. Once again, fantastic work. Thank you for going above and beyond to present/ explain the trickier parts of the code. The model is very helpful!
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According to the IBC definition, corridor is an enclosed EXIT ACCESS, exit passageway is EXIT component. So if we need to connect two EXITS with "horizontal corridor like space", this space needs to be exit passageway, which make it part of the exit. And the code does not forbid to use the exit passageway as circulation whether egress or ingress , the same as stairway. Just image all the elevators are not working, and we have to use the stairs to go up the floors, the code does not forbid that.
I think we both mean well. IBC 2021 1024.1 states: An exit passageway shall not be used for any purpose other than as a means of egress and a circulation path."
I acknowledge that you can use the exit passageway for "circulation" but, if an exit passageway could be used for anything, what good does this section do? and if "circulation" is all encompassing, and includes ingress as well as egress, then what is the code trying to avoid? Why even have this code section?
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Please make videos on Fire detection and protection equipment like fire detector, smoke detectors, sprinklers, hosereels, hydrants etc
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Fantastic explanation. Thank you
Thank you for great video and great work!
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Could you do a video and explain the difference between exit stairway( interior/ exterior exit stairway) and exit access stairway? When are they required?
Check out episode #14. Let me known if that answers your question.
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Very clear - 3D model was good choice.
Are you planning to do a series of episodes running the whole IBC? It really gives me hard time to understand the code by just reading it
An exit passageway CAN be used for ingress; the code does not limit it solely to egress. IBC/CBC 1024.1: “…An exit passageway shall not be used for any purpose other than as a means of egress AND A CIRCULATION PATH.”
Answer me this: if an exit passageway can be used for egress, circulation, and per your interpretation, also for ingress, what “other purpose” is there left?
@@archicorner Good question. The prohibited "other purposes" are further inferred elsewhere in 1024 by virtue of the additional fire protection and limitations on use of a passageway as compared to the other things that can occur in a corridor. Exit passageways differ from corridors in that they have significant limitations on the number and types of openings and penetrations. For example, door openings can only be from "normally occupied spaces"(1024.5); so a janitor closet or mechanical room or storage room could not have a doorway directly into an exit passageway. Elevators cannot open into an exit passageway (1024.5). Electrical junction boxes are limited to 16 square inches (1024.6), and ventilation penetrations are limited (1024.7). If I had a corridor at school, I could put lockers in the corridor; I can't do that with an exit passageway. I don't think I could put other furniture, artwork or video entertainment screens in an exit passageway, because those are for "other purposes" than circulation. Keep in mind that the phrase "circulation path" is a defined term in 202: "An interior or exterior way of passage from one place to another for pedestrians"; there is nothing in that definition that requires the direction of passage to be solely toward an exit. If the code intended for exit passageways to be solely for exiting, then the phrase "...and a circulation path..." should have been omitted from 1024.1, right?
Examples of “Other purposes” allowed in a corridor but not allowed in an exit passageway: access to/from normally unoccupied spaces, such as storage and utility closets, restrooms etc.; lockers, artwork, video displays and other fixed furnishings are allowed in corridors; electrical boxes larger than 16 sq. inches can be used in corridors.
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@@renenava5213 1. I notice you didn’t cite the code in your objection. 2. If your concern is solely about people traveling in 2 directions, then you should also object to corridors, lobbies, and any other part of the MOE that allows ingress as well as egress.
No one in these comments has explained what the words “AND A CIRCULATION PATH” means and why 1024.1 treats it as a distinct purpose other than means of egress. My comment stands.
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