This *IS* a kids movie. Its made to be suitable for kids and is a movie. We shouldnt acceot the slop thats produc3d as childrens content at all. We should have standards.
It's not that Bob wants to go back to the glory days because men are attached to the past, it's that Bob wants to feel useful. Men get their value from their actions. He's working a 9 to 5 and doing nothing with his life for the greater humanity. This is why husbands and fathers go around the house trying to find something to fix, because they want to hear that they are appreciated. If you want to make your mother happy, you tell her "I love you." But if you want to make your father happy, tell him "I appreciate you" or "thanks for doing that."
remember, not just working a 9 to 5: but a 9 to 5 where he has to hear people's suffering, look them in the eye and tell them "we won't help you". He has to look at people who have nothing, and know that his company can help them, but that they won't, and then get yelled at when he even DOES help people when it was really his job TO do that. I can't imagine doing that already, but someone who's whole existence was saving people? The implication that this is not the first boss Bob punched through a wall makes so much sense.
@@Zenn_Chan That's a really good point, I forgot about that part of the movie. And with all that, of course he'd be depressed because he's not being a net positive to society. Instead, he's part of the problem.
I don’t think he wants to feel useful, the theme is so obvious that he wants to be exceptional, and hates being conformed to a life of mediocrity when he can do more. Bob isn’t trying to be selfless to others, this is all about him
Brad Bird had the ultimate back to back that still remains 2 of my top 5 childhood movies, both that still hold up in adulthood. The Iron Giant and The Incredibles.
I love how Helen responds to Bob's pleas. She still stands her ground but respects his viewpoint. When he says, "I can't lose you again! I'm not... strong enough." We can get so caught up in our problems and ideas that we forget to look out for those closest to us. While Helen has every reason to be angry at Bob's choices, he's still human and, thankfully, in a relationship with someone who understands that.
08:10 That statement irks me. 'Only now is he becoming a dad and a _"real"_ husband...' For 15 years, he works a mundane job which he resents to provide for his family and to provide his kids with an as-normal-as-possible family surrounding to grow up in. People will argue that this isn't enough, but to completely dismiss it is certainly wrong.
Exactly. And to make things clear, Bob is frustrated with his JOB and LACK OF PURPOSE, not his FAMILY. Even when he's frustrated, it's clear that he loves his family and they love him back. The moment he has the chance to be himself and do what he loves, his family life almost literally brightens up. Also, imagine having your career and entire lifestyle uprooted because *_you did the right thing and saved someone from committing suicide AND saved an entire train from crashing, and they made a law that prevents people from using their abilities to help others in need._* Bob has EVERY right to be bitter. Helen too, she's just either dealing with it better (she's _flexible,_ after all XD) or repressing her own frustrations. And the same goes for Frozone, since he and Bob are constantly doing heroics in secret.
The way I heard that statement is that while he was performing the role of father/husband, only by this point is his mentality and personal sense of purpose really aligned with that role. In a sense, it was a long journey for him to get there psychologically
@@DeathMessenger1988”It’s clear that he loves his family.” The scene at dinner where he’s not even present with what’s going on around him and the immediate 360 when Lucious arrives and he’s off to “bowling night.” That doesn’t really display a love for his family. He’s going through the motions. Showing up is 90% of the battle, but that last 10% is effort and you don’t see that from Bob until he’s playing superhero with Syndrome.
Men are expected to sacrifice everything. Bob is appreciated when he can do the job and family AND stay in shape AND fulfill his interests. Success for men is to be the complete package at all times. There is no off time.
This is the best analysis of The Incredibles I’ve ever seen. There’s something about protecting your family that’s built into most men. Is been over 7 years since a few people came together to try to tear may family apart, and partially succeeded. To this day I still fight back tears when I watch the scene when Bob says “I can’t lose you again”. And yet, since then my wife has been diagnosed with cancer that she will either die with or from. I can’t win the fight what will happen to her, our child, and me. But it means I have a desperate need to make the most of whatever time is given to us together
May God grant you the fortitude, strength and wisdom to manage the time you have left with her wisely, bring the family closer, prepare for what is to come, and help you with life afterwards. May God heal her as well so this would be your testimony. I am saddened that you are going through this.
I know what you said but I sincerely hope she fully recovers and that cancer is in remission. But if that doesn't happen, I hope you guys make the most of it together and are truly happy in the time you do have together. I wish you two the best.
I’m 21, it wasn’t till 3-4 years ago that I realized how many deep and important the messages in this movie are. I had to click the video when I saw someone else sharing the same opinions !
As you grow older your collection of perspectives through which to experience things also grows. Something like Finding Nemo hits much different when you have young kids. Something like Up hits different when you've been married a long time.
That last summary sounds exactly why the Bible says that the leaders in the church ought not to be referred to as their title. It gives you a swelled head and when you inevitably make a mistake you’ve gotten your pride in it and try to protect your ego when you should’ve never attached your ego to it in the first place
watched this with my dad in theaters when I was 6. One of my favorite movies growing up and his too. He did 20 years of service and was constantly having to do some work for NSA that I knew nothing about, all while raising me and my older brother as a single parent. It was the only “kids” movie he bought on DVD and at times I would catch him just watching it by himself. Love you dad, thanks for everything you did for us, and see you on the other side one day!
If he wanted, he could try going the Luke Cage route and be a merc hero with his powers, for the right amount for the people and not corporations that abuse and oppress.
@@jasperzanovich2504 hero sure, but super, he had to keep his powers under wraps in the first half of the movie. Did you notice and listen to the commentary?
Just like Bob's story hit close to home for you, your analysis at the end hit close to home for me. I'm 26 and already feeling that guilt and pressure you talked about, trying to figure out which talents and pursuits I should get back into and which ones it's okay to leave behind. Either way, I guess having more appreciation for what you have now, especially family and friends, is really important.
Tough thing to navigate for sure. Just think about the life you want and what makes you happy. If it doing it falls into that keep it, if it doesn’t then scrap it
@simon-peterwilliamson2412 I dont know if I'm the most qualified to answer that, but I'm guessing you have things you at least enjoy or things that you value. Finding ways to meet people who share those interests is a good place to start. I know that's pretty basic advice but a little human connection really can help make things clear.
The Incredibles is easily my favourite Pixar movie. It resonated with me on so many levels. At the time it came out, I was beginning my family so Mr Incredibles journey really hit something in me. Now I'm the same age as Mr Incredible was in the movie, it resonates even more.
Mrs Incredible pissed me off so much. People love to overlook how her attitude hampered her children, Violet especially…she made Violet feel like a freak to the point she socially outcasted herself. She made Dash feel like his powers were bad and it caused him to act out in school. She didn’t understand how much being a superhero meant to Mr Incredible and it wasn’t all about vanity like she accused him but it was WHO he is. I feel he wouldn’t have been so quick to go to that island had Helen been a bit more understanding. Like when she demands Violet to make a force field despite NEVER training her to use her powers and telling her she can’t use them. But because she apologizes right after this we’re supposed to look over it. Now I will say her frustrations with Bob were VALID.
Her frustrations were valid but she also didn’t even realize how she was a major cause of his depression. And his depression is why he was such a poor father. I think a common trope of male-female dynamics is that sometimes a woman will unknowingly drain the life from a man and then look up and wonder where the spark has gone. The spark left when you made him sell his motorcycle and told him he couldn’t go on the campaign trip with the guys and insisted that you be involved with all his hobbies. Bob becomes a great father and partner the moment he gets his secret hero mission. She never noticed how bad her husband needed this
@ exactly! I love how you worded that. Everyone always overlooks and excuses Mrs Incredible’s behavior. The second movie she does the exact same thing she was so mad at Bob doing in the first movie! But nobody says anything.
@EggEnjoyer it's hitching a racehorse to a plow. Sure, it'll plow the field, it's YOUR horse. However, the field is NOT the best place for that horse, and it WILL show.
@@alicefreist318 If Mr. Incredible didn't want a family life he shouldn't have taken it. At some point you need to put yourself aside and realize the family is what matters and that is what happens at the end. Mrs. Incredible's actions were protecting them when they reveal how supes were getting whacked. They don't get whacked, obviously because they're the heroes of this story, but they could easily have been so. Instead of supes, a more realistic scenario would be like being in witness protection. Sorry, you don't get to be a celebrity when people are out to get you and your family.
@@Peaches-i2i it’s not that Bob didn’t want a family life, it’s that being a superhero is who he was as a person. So he was suffering from a major identity crisis and Mrs Incredible did not bother to care and took it as him being vain.
It’s not really the glory days he missed it was more so the intrinsic purpose he saw in being a hero. Him being able to pursue that purpose made him think more clearly and was then able to see his family bc he got what he needed when the chance for being a hero came back and everything else fell into place. I’m not sure how far you went with basketball but if you played until 25 I’m assuming at least semi pro or overseas pro for a bit but idk. Regardless, my point is you were gifted with the capability to understand the game, play it well, and enjoy it. In that case you’d still be in the same space with different responsibilities but the reason I’m assuming coaching works is bc you find value in being able to coach in the sport you love. In Mr.incredibles case he didn’t get that option working in an office, that’s like an intelligent person working fast food or retail or any mundane task or an athlete working a “regular job”, your completely out of your element and in a mismatch of what you find important
5:09 mirage is literally a mirage, and could be a reflection of external stimuli people seek outside of marriage and the mundane I.e gambling, or even realistically speaking, affairs… It’s why it’s important to maintain a healthy balance in one’s own life, and do things you actually enjoy. 6:03 ah, called it 😂
30 years old musician , done it since I was 12. It was such apart of my identity for a long time , and though I still love it . That’s not all that I am . I appreciate the message at the end . 🔥
Neurologically speaking, every human brain is so unique that trying to define it by gender becomes moot. Men and women publicly behave in certain ways because humans instinctively associate conformity with survival, but there's a reason why we all behave differently when we're alone or with people we trust. Corporations and politicians have been weaponizing our need to conform for over a century by feeding us harmful standards for their benefit. *For example:* _"real men don't cry."_ Biologically speaking, crying is an important survival mechanism evolved to help the brain process emotion. Men were taught to suppress it alongside their emotions during the Industrial Revolution, when being miserable in a factory all day was sold to us as "ideal masculinity."
Nice analysis. I do however think that that more factors than conformity alone contribute to the way different sexes behave in society in general. Also, don't you think that certain typical behaviors for men such as the suppression of emotions in times of adversity were ascribed long before the industrial revolution? It's a tale as old as time. In times where action is needed, it is preferred for men to (temporarily) set their emotional response aside, and keep on going forward. Just to make it clear, this doesn't mean that I think that men should not vent their emotions at all time. I wish that more men could find a supportive and safe and environment where they could talk about their emotions.
My first time seeing a video of yours and I just want to say you’ve made a great impression. Your voice was very easy to listen to and the pace at which you speak was engaging. Loved the interlacing of the film and resource footage. 10/10
The Incredibles is about how Mr. Incredible didn't know what he had, until it was almost gone. And all it took was a dangerous mission, on a remote island, for him to figure that out. It contains some pretty mature and complex themes, that most kids wouldn't understand. The sequel focused more on Mrs. Incredible, and securing her place in the spotlight, so it didn't really give him much room for character growth. It was more about him having to take a backseat to her. Also, Evelyn being the villain? Should've expected that.
It's very simple. Men derive their self worth and very identity from how valuable they are to society. Mr. Incredible used to be a hero both in the literal and in the social sense, and those things were taken away from him and replaced with an occupation that is the very antithesis of what he was. Look at the absolutely insane rate at which men who go through divorce and parental alienation take their own lives.
9:06 thanks buddy.. i was asked a similar question in my promotion interview.. For context i shifted from Lighting industry where i spent 11 years to Banking IT sector 1.5 years .. i was offered an AVP position The interviewer (VP) asked me a similar question.. which industry you truly Love.. "Lighting industry or this banking operations?" And i told him I can't choose.. but the panel was pretty adamant on to choose one answer.. I simply replied "Sir, i wasn't born to be a lighting designer I was just best at it.. nor was I born to be a IT PROFESSIONAL ... I was born to be the best version of myself and that's what I strive for.." Guess who is starting at a AVP OPERATIONS position on 15 Dec 😊😊😊
I love these kind of deep dives into great media, and I've been looking for stuff on masculinity for my son. This was excellently done, subscribed. 6:35 One thought from a feminine perspective. This always fascinated me from a Helen's flaws perspective. It's amazing that she just sacrificed everything she loved just for her children to protect them to be their mom. But in the process she actually sacrificed them as well to protect them. Bob wanted them trained in their powers. He did it for the wrong reasons but that instinct is actually good. In this moment, Helen realized she should have prepared her children for the world instead of just sheltering. You have to do both as a parent. It's a critical balance. In this moment her old instincts took over and she realized she hadn't prepared Violet at the last second and left them all in danger because of it. And she amends this instantly when they get on the island and starts to prepare her children like she was supposed to. It was a little easier with Dash because the father had interfered. She grew in that moment as well because it almost cost her her children too. Her daughter seemed very quickly to show the growth of being allowed to embrace who she was and be independent, strong.
Too bad they turned Helen into a Mary Sue protag in the second movie and heavily regressed the character growth of the rest of the family. Helen’s still sexy hot so I guess it’s okay for to do all of the feminist cliches according to fans and SIMPs…
A man starting a family gives up everything. The only thing unfair about this, is no one is upfront about this with a man before marriage. Men really just need to know the rules of the game before playing, I think we would solve a lot of marriage issues.
There's a lot more that's unfairness but let's deconstruct this point. Men are learning the rules and OH WOULD YOU LOOK AT THAT, marriage rates are plummeting, as are birthrates, as are long term relationships, as is the desire for long term relationships. I'm sorry but no. What's unfair is expecting men to give up every aspect of themselves in an environment where there is no benefit to doing so. We live in the most safe and equal times of world history, where men and women are afforded the same freedoms (maybe men even less) and yet men are expected to carry the sole burden of the sacrifice of the self and sacrifice of his passions and dreams. That is not justifiable sorry to say. And "we would solve a lot of marriage issues" again, more men than ever are educated in this fact and yet divorce and relationships ending are at their peaks. It's an outdated way of thinking. And will only work if we collectively decide to go back to when it wasn't outdated. Sorry, this is an extremely flawed take.
What a great take. Honestly, as a father of two young boys and someone who is well past my best before date as an athlete, your analysis and personal experience made this a great watch.
Funny, I got the exact opposite read on Bob... I mean yeah; he DOES start out inattentive and disengaged but that's because the world had left him behind and Helen was trying to make him accept something that just fundamentally ran counter to his spirit. Hero it up, gentlemen, and when the world makes you choose between 'true' and 'safe' consider carefully what you're willing to sacrifice... or better yet, make the world stuff its 'choice' right up the pooper.
Strongly agree, Bob is a hero who is forced to be an NPC, less than a nobody, working for a soulless boss that demands he be a mindless cog and abandon his principals... Looking into the eyes of Eddie Knights, his empty eyes, the very definition of Friedrich Nietzsche's Last Man, who has no ambitions or goals, it makes sense why the conclusions he comes to must fit his herd morality. And Herd Morality is always the danger of dangers and inferior to Master Morality, that which Bob had in spades. Sheep are afraid of sheepdogs and demand they remove their teeth, but the wolf still has teeth and the sheep are now feeling pretty morally superior in their false sense of security thinking by removing the heroes they'll be fine, just fine.
This video really hit me in the chest. Im turning 31 next month and three weeks ago I tore my Achilles playing basketball. Realistically I'll probably not be playing much basketball for the next two years. Between that and a shoulder injury, I'm not going to be that super athletic guy anymore. Im not an athlete. It's been a bit of a mental burden dealing with the fact that what I identified myself with is probably gone forever. You're right though, I'm not a basketball player or an athlete. Im a person who played basketball and could do some athletic things. That's not where my value lies. That's not who I am. Now it's time to find out who that person is....after a rewatch of Incredibles with my family.
You are a thousand percent right. Never link your sense of self worth to external things, especially your career. All those things can be taken from you through no fault of your own and it's devastating.
Except it's a flawed summation. The issue wasn't Bob having a unsatisfying career, it's the fact he and his family are completely shut down from ever expressing their talents that could and should be used to help others. A construction job where Bob is allowed to show his powers would have better suited him. But he wasn't allowed to express ANYTHING. his son is frustrated Bec he can't express his talents as well and violet was extremely repressed and made an outcast of herself because society, of which her mother pushed alongside with onto Bob and her children, said they needed to hide who and what they are. That, is a breeding ground for misery. The issue wasn't some ego driven desire. It was a need to be a person, to express yourself and who you are, and by extension, have a purpose in life where you aren't shuttered away from your own person.
"Be careful what you let become part of your identity." Learning this the hard way this last year but in the reverse method. I put everything into being the 100% dad and 100% husband, and all the other things, and lost my sense of self to these perfect ideals. Ironically I lost sight of my family because I was so hung up on those identity issues. I'm better at those things now that I'm behaving like a human being. Tough lessons.
Thats how I am in my early 20s man... Big into cars and stuff but what happens when you take your hobbies and interests away. What's left when everything that can be taken from you, is?
I loved the movie as a kid, but watching it again after my enlistment was over was a gut-punch. Seeing it as a listless 23 y/o, stuck inside during the pandemic, 2 rough deployments done and a stack of medals in my closet, feeling like my best times were behind me, wondering where I was supposed to go from there and how I could feel useful again. But I got better, found new purpose, found a partner I love, and I'm happier than I've ever been. It was a rough time, and I really needed this film.
I was an infantry sniper from 23-26 and am 34 in construction in an office like Bob now. Never got deployed. I feel you on laughing if someone told you you'd quit what you were doing...
Having never watched the Incredibles your video makes me want to check it out. I really liked your take. I’m someone resistant to change too so it’ll be interesting if I find this movie as helpful/relatable, especially as a woman with no plans to have a family.
I really enjoyed this dialogue and how you intertwined some of your story within the themes you discussed from the incredibles. You are talented creator and just earned a new subscriber!
Very good video. I like how you included the clip of him saying "I'm not strong enough" very classic guy trying to solve things by himself and the line is almost cathartic cuz of how real it is.
Thanks Eddie, this channel continue to evolve not only with well thought out analysis of Superhero media, but also much-needed positive masculinity messaging. I love the Incredibles and I love the work you're doing in this space!
Idk how but I kind of felt this way before I even got to my twenties. By the time I was halfway through university, I didn’t know what I wanted to do. As a kid I was really bright-eyed and enthusiastic about a lot of things but by the time I was 21 my grades were slipping and the degree I was studying for just didn’t seem appealing anymore. I tried several hobbies. I needed something to make me feel alive again. I’m 24 now and done with school. Graduating in a couple days. I make music now. I love but I fear a day will come when I won’t anymore. What then?
That spark is a bit like physical fitness: when you're young, you get a boost, but it can easily go downhill as you get older. And just like physical fitness, the key is never to take it for granted and instead treat it as something you put effort into and make time for, if you want to keepnit strong.
Such a great video. Not only do you break things down on an analytical level, you also break them down on a personal level and that's not something that a lot of people can do. Love the content!
I’ve watched the incredibles many times over the past few months as I started watching it with my little girl. I’ve put myself as Mr incredible and Mrs Incredible and it’s heart breaking the emotions felt. Thanks for sharing your thoughts.
This is a great video and an excellent observation. As a father and married man, I can relate a lot to this . Thanks for the awesome analogy and guidance.
I love the lesson of not letting what you love about yourself be part of your character. I've said this same message for a while now (5 or 10 years) because you can easily feel shattered if what you identified with is suddenly no longer appreciated. Ever since the rise of the LGBT folk, I've thought that those who are freaking out the most when confronted with opposition don't feel secure about their ideas, and have let what's unique about them become their identity (just like Mr. Incredible). This was a great video essay; well done! I've always loved this movie, but I hadn't quite notice the depth of Mr. Incredible until now.
Cool now I need you to take the LGBT example and take it back to the 1950s. Same principle, Bob and everyone like him are completely and utterly unable of showing who they are, what they are and will be punished if they ever, ever do. It shouldn't be a sole part of your identity, all that you are, but is that a strong enough point to say they (LGBT as well as supers) completely shutter away that aspect of who they, definitely, are? No. And by the end Bob and his family are happier because the world they reside in ALLOWS them to show that aspect of themselves. The problem wouldn't exist if it was only the concept of vigilantism that was gotten rid of, and rather supers were afforded the ability to show their powers in their lives, Bob working a construction job where his super strength would be Extremely helpful, productive and at the end, rewarding for his sense of contribution to society would have solved the overall issues of his character. But he wasn't afforded that. It would be like never allowing gay people to walk with their partner. Especially when Bob had experienced a society where he USED to be welcomed.
@@stealthbrawler LGBT folk are allowed to be that open. Nobody is forced to hide that part of themself. I was only making the real world comparison that Mr. Incredible and LGBT folk are unique for different reasons, but there is more to each of them than a single attribute. :)
Was a very good wrestler but decided to turn down college offers. These things can leave a chip on your shoulder and I never realized how relatable this movie was until I recently started coaching. I love the last thing you said, your identity can be flexible and you will be happier for it.
I feel you on the family thing. Personally I never wanted kids in my 20s. I just turned 30 a couple months ago. Now I turned 30 I don’t all of a sudden want a family even though part of me does. I’m more than happy to wait until I’m in my late 30s or 40ish to have kids. Yesterday this gorgeous girl gave me her number. But idk. I’m fighting to recover from serious health problems and that’s gonna take years not months. In a few more years of rehabilitation I’ll be able to work again pt. I plan to start a food cart business and do that 4 hrs a day. Then in another few years after that I’ll be able to work a full time job or simply be out of the house working for 8ish hours a day. But frankly right now I’m quite handicapped. It depresses me. Right now I’m going from bed ridden to a few minutes of physio then back to bed on & off. That’s me at least half the day on average. Idk I suppose I’ll go out for coffee with her and tell her my situation and my plans and if she’s interested in being a part of it then cool. What do you think man?
Absolutely this movie hits hard when you want to relive your glory days and be there for your family I was a football and basketball star now I'm an MMA fighter at 30 and trying to find the work life balance between work training and family
Very well made video with extremely interesting points, and an amazing message that I cannot thank you enough for. I'm in my early 20s, carving my way through life and assumed responsibility for myself and my family almost couple of years ago, the dissociation that you get from that transition to becoming a man who needs to provide and get things done from someone who had aspirations and certain plans and a way of life that has been demolished within a day because of the economic downfall of my country, sometimes I think back, and I imagine if that hadn't happen, sometimes I even have dreams that I went back to the college that I had to drop out from because we couldn't afford it anymore and I get that feeling of freedom, and even though I've well accepted who I am now, the thrill of the old days still lingers in my head. Even though I never thought I needed it, this message reassures me that whatever steps I had to take do not take away from what I was, and what I will be will still add on and I am grateful for that. Thanks chief, great video.
3:51 I think all dads do this to some degree(children are biologically tied to us after all) but it’s good to humble ourselves and understand that our children have their own destiny and that we have an opportunity to aid them when needed.
Amazingly well articulated. The Incredibles always felt a bit more profound or deeper than a cartoon superhero movie and you really broke it down and laid it out. Checking out your other videos!
Man this video is amazing, great job! Relating the movie to your personal life and expectations was pretty deep and got me reflecting about myself, too.
Incredibles is probably my fav Disney movie, when I was young I didn't understand the layers of meaning behind it, and it was the action that was cool. But as I grew up I could relate to Bob.
What an incredible breakdown. Your background as an athlete was a really interesting way to relate to Mr. Incredible. And you have a really nice voice too! Subscribed!
I love being a dad. It is my favorite thing to do. And someone tried to take that from me. One of my friends who is a member of one of them men's groups tried to tell me that I shouldn't define myself by my children. That I should just let it go. We are not friends anymore.
@@blessing_ify He meant that I shouldn't live my life "in service" to them, that I had to live for myself. This man is an absent father himself. I told him my children mean everything to me. Without them I cannot be the man I want to be. Both of my parents were gone before I turned 16. I know what it is like growing up without them. They are my greatest achievement. As long as I live my life is for them. I don't care if I must spend the rest of my life alone because of it. It is a sacrifice I willingly make. That is also why I continue to have a good relationship with their mother. No matter what she did to me she is their mother. I will not take her from them.
@@NotSure-e8z Thank you for the explanation. You're already an amazing father for taking up that responsibility of being a parent. I'm sure your children will forever be grateful for having been blessed with a father like you in their life.
Bro, after years of sacrifice for humanity in the name of Goodness, they mad him because a Villain in order to for him to feed his family. Thats the most tragic ending for a Hero imaginable. That's what the whole movie is about. He's SHAME that he gave everything for a world that doesn't VALUE 'Goodness' only Money. And we all know what the root if all evil is...
34 here. Maybe I was blessed to never have "glory days" of the past. I have never been "anchored" to something in my history in such a way but it's interesting to observe things from the perspective of someone who has. Everything is just forward momentum and advancement. I regularly find it hard or difficult to relate to people. I'm an emotional mute, INTJ-A sort of person. In social settings I feel like I have to adopt persona to match the existing social cluster, which feels exhausting to constantly parse thoughts through two sets of processes in order to make sure I'm matching the vibe or flow. People would just genuinely not like the inner me, and whenever I am as I am others remark at how I'm potentially neurodivergent or mentally alien. You would assume typing this out would make me feel sad, yet I hardly feel anything while doing so; not even depression, just stating observations and information (facts and data).
Love the video, I think as men we’re all trying to find our purpose and what makes us useful and financially stable but sheeesh it’s hard navigating the unknown
I remember seeing this in theaters when I was 6. Probably a bit much for my little brain but I was fairly mature for my age…and it just blew me away. Honestly it’s a film that says so much and still means a lot to me. Thanks for the breakdown. Also, my wife bought me the same shirt.
All things come to pass. Beauty, strength, even your mind will fade with time. If you define yourself by your abilities you will only find disappointment as they move from your present to your past. It is our actions and our character that define us, not our attributes. You were once an athlete, you are now a father, and someday you will be an elder. All these things are noble in their own place and time and each one influences the next.
Beautiful video bro, learned a lot from you and a knew way to go about life as a young man. So thank you and may you keep progressing in your journey with life.
A lot of interesting thoughts here. I'm 100% someone who has had multiple "identities" over the years, and lately I'm going through a crisis of sorts precisely because so much has changed that I almost feel like I don't know who I am anymore. The person I am today, and the decisions I make in the present, are being informed by a past that I can't even seem to remember. When I look back at who I was 2, 5, 10 years ago in my early-mid 20's, in some ways I feel like the same person but in many others I feel so different. I try not to beat myself up over mistakes I've made or even opportunities I've missed out on, but it's always hard when you feel like you are missing something. I'm sure the answer lies in that last statement, which is to start to find what you need within or something else but...that's WAY easier said than done.
Yeah The Incredible's nihilism works because it skirts the line but gives Mr. Incredible an out ( or at least options) Also it criticizes nostalgia but never trashes it
21 years later what are your thoughts on the first Incredibles movie?
Loved this movie as a kid, and as a adult I love it even more. It hit different. Thanks for this video mate, made me feel things.
One of the best films ever made in general. ^^
Grounded.Versatile. Masterpiece for short-term and long-term experiences.
This *IS* a kids movie.
Its made to be suitable for kids and is a movie.
We shouldnt acceot the slop thats produc3d as childrens content at all. We should have standards.
This popped in my feed after just watching the movie on a free site
It's not that Bob wants to go back to the glory days because men are attached to the past, it's that Bob wants to feel useful. Men get their value from their actions. He's working a 9 to 5 and doing nothing with his life for the greater humanity. This is why husbands and fathers go around the house trying to find something to fix, because they want to hear that they are appreciated. If you want to make your mother happy, you tell her "I love you." But if you want to make your father happy, tell him "I appreciate you" or "thanks for doing that."
I agree with that! But for him being a superhero was the only way he thought he could be useful.. not being a good man, father & husband.
remember, not just working a 9 to 5: but a 9 to 5 where he has to hear people's suffering, look them in the eye and tell them "we won't help you". He has to look at people who have nothing, and know that his company can help them, but that they won't, and then get yelled at when he even DOES help people when it was really his job TO do that. I can't imagine doing that already, but someone who's whole existence was saving people? The implication that this is not the first boss Bob punched through a wall makes so much sense.
@@Zenn_Chan That's a really good point, I forgot about that part of the movie. And with all that, of course he'd be depressed because he's not being a net positive to society. Instead, he's part of the problem.
I feel bad for him. Gotten worse Everywhere. No one wants to work at a 9-5.
I don’t think he wants to feel useful, the theme is so obvious that he wants to be exceptional, and hates being conformed to a life of mediocrity when he can do more. Bob isn’t trying to be selfless to others, this is all about him
Me at 10: "Damn, Elastigirl it thicc"
Me at 24: "Damn, Elastigirl is stil thicc. Also, I have depression now."
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Deviant lol. I just thought she was lookin for a tag or something
Brad Bird had the ultimate back to back that still remains 2 of my top 5 childhood movies, both that still hold up in adulthood. The Iron Giant and The Incredibles.
The iron giant is definitely a banger
Back to back to back for some who saw Ratatouille
Ratatouille too
I'd say Mulan still holds up really well too. Also The Road to El Dorado is Gangster nobody ever talks about it.
@@JesusChrist2000BC That ain't Brad Bird tho
I love how Helen responds to Bob's pleas. She still stands her ground but respects his viewpoint. When he says, "I can't lose you again! I'm not... strong enough." We can get so caught up in our problems and ideas that we forget to look out for those closest to us. While Helen has every reason to be angry at Bob's choices, he's still human and, thankfully, in a relationship with someone who understands that.
Peak Pixar.
Tex!!!
Ey it's the Snyder glazer himself
@basedostrich Rebel Moon was so bad even HE couldn't defend Snyder
Seriously. Incredibles 2 was nowhere near this good.
Pixar turned to serious garbage
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08:10 That statement irks me.
'Only now is he becoming a dad and a _"real"_ husband...'
For 15 years, he works a mundane job which he resents to provide for his family and to provide his kids with an as-normal-as-possible family surrounding to grow up in.
People will argue that this isn't enough, but to completely dismiss it is certainly wrong.
Agreed. He may have been dissatisfied but he was doing what had to be done to secure his family
Exactly. And to make things clear, Bob is frustrated with his JOB and LACK OF PURPOSE, not his FAMILY. Even when he's frustrated, it's clear that he loves his family and they love him back.
The moment he has the chance to be himself and do what he loves, his family life almost literally brightens up.
Also, imagine having your career and entire lifestyle uprooted because *_you did the right thing and saved someone from committing suicide AND saved an entire train from crashing, and they made a law that prevents people from using their abilities to help others in need._*
Bob has EVERY right to be bitter. Helen too, she's just either dealing with it better (she's _flexible,_ after all XD) or repressing her own frustrations. And the same goes for Frozone, since he and Bob are constantly doing heroics in secret.
The way I heard that statement is that while he was performing the role of father/husband, only by this point is his mentality and personal sense of purpose really aligned with that role. In a sense, it was a long journey for him to get there psychologically
@@DeathMessenger1988”It’s clear that he loves his family.” The scene at dinner where he’s not even present with what’s going on around him and the immediate 360 when Lucious arrives and he’s off to “bowling night.” That doesn’t really display a love for his family. He’s going through the motions. Showing up is 90% of the battle, but that last 10% is effort and you don’t see that from Bob until he’s playing superhero with Syndrome.
Men are expected to sacrifice everything. Bob is appreciated when he can do the job and family AND stay in shape AND fulfill his interests.
Success for men is to be the complete package at all times. There is no off time.
This is the best analysis of The Incredibles I’ve ever seen.
There’s something about protecting your family that’s built into most men. Is been over 7 years since a few people came together to try to tear may family apart, and partially succeeded. To this day I still fight back tears when I watch the scene when Bob says “I can’t lose you again”. And yet, since then my wife has been diagnosed with cancer that she will either die with or from. I can’t win the fight what will happen to her, our child, and me. But it means I have a desperate need to make the most of whatever time is given to us together
May God grant you the fortitude, strength and wisdom to manage the time you have left with her wisely, bring the family closer, prepare for what is to come, and help you with life afterwards.
May God heal her as well so this would be your testimony.
I am saddened that you are going through this.
I know what you said but I sincerely hope she fully recovers and that cancer is in remission. But if that doesn't happen, I hope you guys make the most of it together and are truly happy in the time you do have together. I wish you two the best.
I’m 21, it wasn’t till 3-4 years ago that I realized how many deep and important the messages in this movie are. I had to click the video when I saw someone else sharing the same opinions !
You'll see it more and more as you grow, life is a continual process of learning and appreciating meaning. So long as you keep your mind open to it.
As you grow older your collection of perspectives through which to experience things also grows. Something like Finding Nemo hits much different when you have young kids. Something like Up hits different when you've been married a long time.
Bro I’m 31 and just saw it. Talk about being a late bloomer.
I'm 27, you realized it quick man hopefully that makes it easier for ya, life is a cruel mistress if you let it be.
That last summary sounds exactly why the Bible says that the leaders in the church ought not to be referred to as their title. It gives you a swelled head and when you inevitably make a mistake you’ve gotten your pride in it and try to protect your ego when you should’ve never attached your ego to it in the first place
What verses are you talking about?
@ Matthew 23:8-10
Amen to that, brother
watched this with my dad in theaters when I was 6. One of my favorite movies growing up and his too. He did 20 years of service and was constantly having to do some work for NSA that I knew nothing about, all while raising me and my older brother as a single parent. It was the only “kids” movie he bought on DVD and at times I would catch him just watching it by himself.
Love you dad, thanks for everything you did for us, and see you on the other side one day!
Bob's a true hero, he needs to help others. He can't spend his life increasing shareholder profit at the expense of others
I love the Incredibles g0yim boss meme for dubbing over that scene at the office 😅
If he wanted, he could try going the Luke Cage route and be a merc hero with his powers, for the right amount for the people and not corporations that abuse and oppress.
@@danyaelpecson557 No, he didn't stop being a superhero becasue he suddenly got a family, superheroes were outlawed.
@@jasperzanovich2504 hero sure, but super, he had to keep his powers under wraps in the first half of the movie. Did you notice and listen to the commentary?
No man wants to be the robot from rick n morty that passes the butter. To summarize
Just like Bob's story hit close to home for you, your analysis at the end hit close to home for me. I'm 26 and already feeling that guilt and pressure you talked about, trying to figure out which talents and pursuits I should get back into and which ones it's okay to leave behind. Either way, I guess having more appreciation for what you have now, especially family and friends, is really important.
Tough thing to navigate for sure. Just think about the life you want and what makes you happy. If it doing it falls into that keep it, if it doesn’t then scrap it
I'm feeling that urge now what can I do? People say think about what you love but what if you dont have that?
@simon-peterwilliamson2412 I dont know if I'm the most qualified to answer that, but I'm guessing you have things you at least enjoy or things that you value. Finding ways to meet people who share those interests is a good place to start. I know that's pretty basic advice but a little human connection really can help make things clear.
The Incredibles is easily my favourite Pixar movie. It resonated with me on so many levels. At the time it came out, I was beginning my family so Mr Incredibles journey really hit something in me. Now I'm the same age as Mr Incredible was in the movie, it resonates even more.
Mrs Incredible pissed me off so much. People love to overlook how her attitude hampered her children, Violet especially…she made Violet feel like a freak to the point she socially outcasted herself. She made Dash feel like his powers were bad and it caused him to act out in school. She didn’t understand how much being a superhero meant to Mr Incredible and it wasn’t all about vanity like she accused him but it was WHO he is. I feel he wouldn’t have been so quick to go to that island had Helen been a bit more understanding. Like when she demands Violet to make a force field despite NEVER training her to use her powers and telling her she can’t use them. But because she apologizes right after this we’re supposed to look over it. Now I will say her frustrations with Bob were VALID.
Her frustrations were valid but she also didn’t even realize how she was a major cause of his depression. And his depression is why he was such a poor father.
I think a common trope of male-female dynamics is that sometimes a woman will unknowingly drain the life from a man and then look up and wonder where the spark has gone.
The spark left when you made him sell his motorcycle and told him he couldn’t go on the campaign trip with the guys and insisted that you be involved with all his hobbies.
Bob becomes a great father and partner the moment he gets his secret hero mission. She never noticed how bad her husband needed this
@ exactly! I love how you worded that. Everyone always overlooks and excuses Mrs Incredible’s behavior. The second movie she does the exact same thing she was so mad at Bob doing in the first movie! But nobody says anything.
@EggEnjoyer it's hitching a racehorse to a plow. Sure, it'll plow the field, it's YOUR horse. However, the field is NOT the best place for that horse, and it WILL show.
@@alicefreist318 If Mr. Incredible didn't want a family life he shouldn't have taken it. At some point you need to put yourself aside and realize the family is what matters and that is what happens at the end. Mrs. Incredible's actions were protecting them when they reveal how supes were getting whacked. They don't get whacked, obviously because they're the heroes of this story, but they could easily have been so. Instead of supes, a more realistic scenario would be like being in witness protection. Sorry, you don't get to be a celebrity when people are out to get you and your family.
@@Peaches-i2i it’s not that Bob didn’t want a family life, it’s that being a superhero is who he was as a person. So he was suffering from a major identity crisis and Mrs Incredible did not bother to care and took it as him being vain.
It’s not really the glory days he missed it was more so the intrinsic purpose he saw in being a hero. Him being able to pursue that purpose made him think more clearly and was then able to see his family bc he got what he needed when the chance for being a hero came back and everything else fell into place.
I’m not sure how far you went with basketball but if you played until 25 I’m assuming at least semi pro or overseas pro for a bit but idk. Regardless, my point is you were gifted with the capability to understand the game, play it well, and enjoy it. In that case you’d still be in the same space with different responsibilities but the reason I’m assuming coaching works is bc you find value in being able to coach in the sport you love. In Mr.incredibles case he didn’t get that option working in an office, that’s like an intelligent person working fast food or retail or any mundane task or an athlete working a “regular job”, your completely out of your element and in a mismatch of what you find important
5:09 mirage is literally a mirage, and could be a reflection of external stimuli people seek outside of marriage and the mundane I.e gambling, or even realistically speaking, affairs…
It’s why it’s important to maintain a healthy balance in one’s own life, and do things you actually enjoy.
6:03 ah, called it 😂
30 years old musician , done it since I was 12. It was such apart of my identity for a long time , and though I still love it . That’s not all that I am . I appreciate the message at the end . 🔥
Neurologically speaking, every human brain is so unique that trying to define it by gender becomes moot. Men and women publicly behave in certain ways because humans instinctively associate conformity with survival, but there's a reason why we all behave differently when we're alone or with people we trust.
Corporations and politicians have been weaponizing our need to conform for over a century by feeding us harmful standards for their benefit.
*For example:* _"real men don't cry."_ Biologically speaking, crying is an important survival mechanism evolved to help the brain process emotion. Men were taught to suppress it alongside their emotions during the Industrial Revolution, when being miserable in a factory all day was sold to us as "ideal masculinity."
Nice analysis. I do however think that that more factors than conformity alone contribute to the way different sexes behave in society in general.
Also, don't you think that certain typical behaviors for men such as the suppression of emotions in times of adversity were ascribed long before the industrial revolution? It's a tale as old as time. In times where action is needed, it is preferred for men to (temporarily) set their emotional response aside, and keep on going forward. Just to make it clear, this doesn't mean that I think that men should not vent their emotions at all time. I wish that more men could find a supportive and safe and environment where they could talk about their emotions.
Pixar’s was in their BAG with this movie. It’s My favorite movie from them
Yeah top 2 or 3 for me
My first time seeing a video of yours and I just want to say you’ve made a great impression. Your voice was very easy to listen to and the pace at which you speak was engaging. Loved the interlacing of the film and resource footage. 10/10
Thanks! Welcome aboard
The Incredibles is about how Mr. Incredible didn't know what he had, until it was almost gone. And all it took was a dangerous mission, on a remote island, for him to figure that out. It contains some pretty mature and complex themes, that most kids wouldn't understand. The sequel focused more on Mrs. Incredible, and securing her place in the spotlight, so it didn't really give him much room for character growth. It was more about him having to take a backseat to her. Also, Evelyn being the villain? Should've expected that.
The fact that The Incredibles is 20 years old blows my mind love this movie also this is one of the realest videos on this channel ❤🙌🏾
It's very simple.
Men derive their self worth and very identity from how valuable they are to society.
Mr. Incredible used to be a hero both in the literal and in the social sense, and those things were taken away from him and replaced with an occupation that is the very antithesis of what he was.
Look at the absolutely insane rate at which men who go through divorce and parental alienation take their own lives.
9:06 thanks buddy.. i was asked a similar question in my promotion interview..
For context i shifted from Lighting industry where i spent 11 years to Banking IT sector 1.5 years .. i was offered an AVP position
The interviewer (VP) asked me a similar question.. which industry you truly Love.. "Lighting industry or this banking operations?"
And i told him I can't choose.. but the panel was pretty adamant on to choose one answer..
I simply replied
"Sir, i wasn't born to be a lighting designer I was just best at it.. nor was I born to be a IT PROFESSIONAL ... I was born to be the best version of myself and that's what I strive for.."
Guess who is starting at a AVP OPERATIONS position on 15 Dec 😊😊😊
"you might call yourself a huge hooper"
Narratively you have no idea how much that line changed from the context of my life.
Good video.
I love these kind of deep dives into great media, and I've been looking for stuff on masculinity for my son. This was excellently done, subscribed.
6:35 One thought from a feminine perspective. This always fascinated me from a Helen's flaws perspective. It's amazing that she just sacrificed everything she loved just for her children to protect them to be their mom. But in the process she actually sacrificed them as well to protect them. Bob wanted them trained in their powers. He did it for the wrong reasons but that instinct is actually good. In this moment, Helen realized she should have prepared her children for the world instead of just sheltering. You have to do both as a parent. It's a critical balance. In this moment her old instincts took over and she realized she hadn't prepared Violet at the last second and left them all in danger because of it. And she amends this instantly when they get on the island and starts to prepare her children like she was supposed to. It was a little easier with Dash because the father had interfered. She grew in that moment as well because it almost cost her her children too. Her daughter seemed very quickly to show the growth of being allowed to embrace who she was and be independent, strong.
Too bad they turned Helen into a Mary Sue protag in the second movie and heavily regressed the character growth of the rest of the family. Helen’s still sexy hot so I guess it’s okay for to do all of the feminist cliches according to fans and SIMPs…
A man starting a family gives up everything. The only thing unfair about this, is no one is upfront about this with a man before marriage.
Men really just need to know the rules of the game before playing, I think we would solve a lot of marriage issues.
There's a lot more that's unfairness but let's deconstruct this point.
Men are learning the rules and OH WOULD YOU LOOK AT THAT, marriage rates are plummeting, as are birthrates, as are long term relationships, as is the desire for long term relationships.
I'm sorry but no. What's unfair is expecting men to give up every aspect of themselves in an environment where there is no benefit to doing so. We live in the most safe and equal times of world history, where men and women are afforded the same freedoms (maybe men even less) and yet men are expected to carry the sole burden of the sacrifice of the self and sacrifice of his passions and dreams. That is not justifiable sorry to say. And "we would solve a lot of marriage issues" again, more men than ever are educated in this fact and yet divorce and relationships ending are at their peaks.
It's an outdated way of thinking. And will only work if we collectively decide to go back to when it wasn't outdated. Sorry, this is an extremely flawed take.
What a great take. Honestly, as a father of two young boys and someone who is well past my best before date as an athlete, your analysis and personal experience made this a great watch.
Funny, I got the exact opposite read on Bob... I mean yeah; he DOES start out inattentive and disengaged but that's because the world had left him behind and Helen was trying to make him accept something that just fundamentally ran counter to his spirit.
Hero it up, gentlemen, and when the world makes you choose between 'true' and 'safe' consider carefully what you're willing to sacrifice... or better yet, make the world stuff its 'choice' right up the pooper.
Strongly agree, Bob is a hero who is forced to be an NPC, less than a nobody, working for a soulless boss that demands he be a mindless cog and abandon his principals... Looking into the eyes of Eddie Knights, his empty eyes, the very definition of Friedrich Nietzsche's Last Man, who has no ambitions or goals, it makes sense why the conclusions he comes to must fit his herd morality. And Herd Morality is always the danger of dangers and inferior to Master Morality, that which Bob had in spades. Sheep are afraid of sheepdogs and demand they remove their teeth, but the wolf still has teeth and the sheep are now feeling pretty morally superior in their false sense of security thinking by removing the heroes they'll be fine, just fine.
This video really hit me in the chest. Im turning 31 next month and three weeks ago I tore my Achilles playing basketball. Realistically I'll probably not be playing much basketball for the next two years. Between that and a shoulder injury, I'm not going to be that super athletic guy anymore. Im not an athlete. It's been a bit of a mental burden dealing with the fact that what I identified myself with is probably gone forever. You're right though, I'm not a basketball player or an athlete. Im a person who played basketball and could do some athletic things. That's not where my value lies. That's not who I am. Now it's time to find out who that person is....after a rewatch of Incredibles with my family.
You gotta explore your other talents you didn't even know you had now
@stevecooper7883 yep. My New year's resolution is to finally start writing that book that's been kicking around in my imagination all these years
You are a thousand percent right. Never link your sense of self worth to external things, especially your career. All those things can be taken from you through no fault of your own and it's devastating.
Except it's a flawed summation. The issue wasn't Bob having a unsatisfying career, it's the fact he and his family are completely shut down from ever expressing their talents that could and should be used to help others. A construction job where Bob is allowed to show his powers would have better suited him. But he wasn't allowed to express ANYTHING. his son is frustrated Bec he can't express his talents as well and violet was extremely repressed and made an outcast of herself because society, of which her mother pushed alongside with onto Bob and her children, said they needed to hide who and what they are.
That, is a breeding ground for misery. The issue wasn't some ego driven desire. It was a need to be a person, to express yourself and who you are, and by extension, have a purpose in life where you aren't shuttered away from your own person.
"Be careful what you let become part of your identity." Learning this the hard way this last year but in the reverse method. I put everything into being the 100% dad and 100% husband, and all the other things, and lost my sense of self to these perfect ideals. Ironically I lost sight of my family because I was so hung up on those identity issues. I'm better at those things now that I'm behaving like a human being. Tough lessons.
Thats how I am in my early 20s man... Big into cars and stuff but what happens when you take your hobbies and interests away. What's left when everything that can be taken from you, is?
You keep going.
It doesn’t have to be taken away bubbs. Find a way to make enough money to still in enjoy your hobbies.
I loved the movie as a kid, but watching it again after my enlistment was over was a gut-punch. Seeing it as a listless 23 y/o, stuck inside during the pandemic, 2 rough deployments done and a stack of medals in my closet, feeling like my best times were behind me, wondering where I was supposed to go from there and how I could feel useful again.
But I got better, found new purpose, found a partner I love, and I'm happier than I've ever been. It was a rough time, and I really needed this film.
That's a quality video man! You gave me a new perspective for a movie that I watched a while ago in just 10 minutes. Very short and informative.
I was an infantry sniper from 23-26 and am 34 in construction in an office like Bob now.
Never got deployed.
I feel you on laughing if someone told you you'd quit what you were doing...
Having never watched the Incredibles your video makes me want to check it out. I really liked your take. I’m someone resistant to change too so it’ll be interesting if I find this movie as helpful/relatable, especially as a woman with no plans to have a family.
Glad you found some value in the video. And It’s definitely worth the watch!
No wonder this is considered one of PIXAR's Greatest Movies.
I really enjoyed this dialogue and how you intertwined some of your story within the themes you discussed from the incredibles. You are talented creator and just earned a new subscriber!
Very good video. I like how you included the clip of him saying "I'm not strong enough" very classic guy trying to solve things by himself and the line is almost cathartic cuz of how real it is.
Thanks Eddie, this channel continue to evolve not only with well thought out analysis of Superhero media, but also much-needed positive masculinity messaging. I love the Incredibles and I love the work you're doing in this space!
Idk how but I kind of felt this way before I even got to my twenties. By the time I was halfway through university, I didn’t know what I wanted to do. As a kid I was really bright-eyed and enthusiastic about a lot of things but by the time I was 21 my grades were slipping and the degree I was studying for just didn’t seem appealing anymore. I tried several hobbies. I needed something to make me feel alive again. I’m 24 now and done with school. Graduating in a couple days. I make music now. I love but I fear a day will come when I won’t anymore. What then?
That spark is a bit like physical fitness: when you're young, you get a boost, but it can easily go downhill as you get older.
And just like physical fitness, the key is never to take it for granted and instead treat it as something you put effort into and make time for, if you want to keepnit strong.
Such a great video. Not only do you break things down on an analytical level, you also break them down on a personal level and that's not something that a lot of people can do. Love the content!
Great video! The Incredibles really hits different when you're older.
Never thought about this movie this way, thank you.
Really makes you realize why the second one doesn’t hit the same
I’ve watched the incredibles many times over the past few months as I started watching it with my little girl.
I’ve put myself as Mr incredible and Mrs Incredible and it’s heart breaking the emotions felt.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts.
This is a great video and an excellent observation. As a father and married man, I can relate a lot to this . Thanks for the awesome analogy and guidance.
I love the lesson of not letting what you love about yourself be part of your character. I've said this same message for a while now (5 or 10 years) because you can easily feel shattered if what you identified with is suddenly no longer appreciated. Ever since the rise of the LGBT folk, I've thought that those who are freaking out the most when confronted with opposition don't feel secure about their ideas, and have let what's unique about them become their identity (just like Mr. Incredible).
This was a great video essay; well done! I've always loved this movie, but I hadn't quite notice the depth of Mr. Incredible until now.
Cool now I need you to take the LGBT example and take it back to the 1950s. Same principle, Bob and everyone like him are completely and utterly unable of showing who they are, what they are and will be punished if they ever, ever do.
It shouldn't be a sole part of your identity, all that you are, but is that a strong enough point to say they (LGBT as well as supers) completely shutter away that aspect of who they, definitely, are? No. And by the end Bob and his family are happier because the world they reside in ALLOWS them to show that aspect of themselves.
The problem wouldn't exist if it was only the concept of vigilantism that was gotten rid of, and rather supers were afforded the ability to show their powers in their lives, Bob working a construction job where his super strength would be Extremely helpful, productive and at the end, rewarding for his sense of contribution to society would have solved the overall issues of his character.
But he wasn't afforded that. It would be like never allowing gay people to walk with their partner. Especially when Bob had experienced a society where he USED to be welcomed.
@@stealthbrawler LGBT folk are allowed to be that open. Nobody is forced to hide that part of themself.
I was only making the real world comparison that Mr. Incredible and LGBT folk are unique for different reasons, but there is more to each of them than a single attribute. :)
Was a very good wrestler but decided to turn down college offers. These things can leave a chip on your shoulder and I never realized how relatable this movie was until I recently started coaching. I love the last thing you said, your identity can be flexible and you will be happier for it.
I feel you on the family thing. Personally I never wanted kids in my 20s. I just turned 30 a couple months ago. Now I turned 30 I don’t all of a sudden want a family even though part of me does. I’m more than happy to wait until I’m in my late 30s or 40ish to have kids.
Yesterday this gorgeous girl gave me her number. But idk. I’m fighting to recover from serious health problems and that’s gonna take years not months. In a few more years of rehabilitation I’ll be able to work again pt. I plan to start a food cart business and do that 4 hrs a day.
Then in another few years after that I’ll be able to work a full time job or simply be out of the house working for 8ish hours a day.
But frankly right now I’m quite handicapped. It depresses me. Right now I’m going from bed ridden to a few minutes of physio then back to bed on & off. That’s me at least half the day on average.
Idk I suppose I’ll go out for coffee with her and tell her my situation and my plans and if she’s interested in being a part of it then cool. What do you think man?
Absolutely this movie hits hard when you want to relive your glory days and be there for your family I was a football and basketball star now I'm an MMA fighter at 30 and trying to find the work life balance between work training and family
Dude gave us the entire point of Neon Genesis in ten minutes. Noice.
Very well made video with extremely interesting points, and an amazing message that I cannot thank you enough for. I'm in my early 20s, carving my way through life and assumed responsibility for myself and my family almost couple of years ago, the dissociation that you get from that transition to becoming a man who needs to provide and get things done from someone who had aspirations and certain plans and a way of life that has been demolished within a day because of the economic downfall of my country, sometimes I think back, and I imagine if that hadn't happen, sometimes I even have dreams that I went back to the college that I had to drop out from because we couldn't afford it anymore and I get that feeling of freedom, and even though I've well accepted who I am now, the thrill of the old days still lingers in my head.
Even though I never thought I needed it, this message reassures me that whatever steps I had to take do not take away from what I was, and what I will be will still add on and I am grateful for that.
Thanks chief, great video.
Amazing video. Can you cover the sequel?
Your ending message was amazing and really hit home. Quality video man!
Happy I ran into your channel man !! Just subbed
3:51 I think all dads do this to some degree(children are biologically tied to us after all) but it’s good to humble ourselves and understand that our children have their own destiny and that we have an opportunity to aid them when needed.
9:22. Real
But Bob still identifies as the superhero Mr Incredible. He still gets to do the thing he wanted to do at the beginning.
Amazingly well articulated. The Incredibles always felt a bit more profound or deeper than a cartoon superhero movie and you really broke it down and laid it out. Checking out your other videos!
Wow you really hit the nail on the head with this one.
the message in the end is quite awesome, great video! ❤️👏
My guy. I loved this dissertation and your relaxed tone was refreshing. As a former athlete, father and husband, I thoroughly enjoyed this video.
Okay, I am going to watch the movie with my family every time one of us begins a new decade. Thank you so much for sharing this content!
Man this video is amazing, great job! Relating the movie to your personal life and expectations was pretty deep and got me reflecting about myself, too.
Really glad I stumbled upon this channel. solid vid!
A huge part of 'Dad lore' is all the stuff you got up to before your time was taken up by kids and work
Such an excellent analysis! Thx for intertwining your personal experience into the analysis.
Nice perspective
This was really helpful for someone like me so thank you. Great video
"be careful of what you allow to become a part of your identity" what a good takeaway
This is an amazingly wise analysis, and something I really need to hear. Thanks Eddie :)
As a therapist, I love this breakdown
Incredibles is probably my fav Disney movie, when I was young I didn't understand the layers of meaning behind it, and it was the action that was cool.
But as I grew up I could relate to Bob.
I'm glad people still talk about this movie. It's my favorite animated movie ever. And cool shirt man!
What an incredible breakdown. Your background as an athlete was a really interesting way to relate to Mr. Incredible.
And you have a really nice voice too! Subscribed!
You're gonna carry that weight space cowboy 😢....
I'm 29 . Incredibles , kung fu panda, the dark knight are great on the surface but are even more beautiful beneath the surface .
I love being a dad. It is my favorite thing to do.
And someone tried to take that from me.
One of my friends who is a member of one of them men's groups tried to tell me that I shouldn't define myself by my children.
That I should just let it go.
We are not friends anymore.
Sorry, I don't quite understand what the 'define yourself by your children" means.
Please can you explain it to me?
@@blessing_ify He meant that I shouldn't live my life "in service" to them, that I had to live for myself.
This man is an absent father himself. I told him my children mean everything to me. Without them I cannot be the man I want to be. Both of my parents were gone before I turned 16. I know what it is like growing up without them.
They are my greatest achievement. As long as I live my life is for them.
I don't care if I must spend the rest of my life alone because of it. It is a sacrifice I willingly make.
That is also why I continue to have a good relationship with their mother. No matter what she did to me she is their mother. I will not take her from them.
@@NotSure-e8z Thank you for the explanation.
You're already an amazing father for taking up that responsibility of being a parent. I'm sure your children will forever be grateful for having been blessed with a father like you in their life.
Bro, after years of sacrifice for humanity in the name of Goodness, they mad him because a Villain in order to for him to feed his family. Thats the most tragic ending for a Hero imaginable. That's what the whole movie is about. He's SHAME that he gave everything for a world that doesn't VALUE 'Goodness' only Money. And we all know what the root if all evil is...
Don't have anything to add. Thank you for all your insight.
34 here.
Maybe I was blessed to never have "glory days" of the past. I have never been "anchored" to something in my history in such a way but it's interesting to observe things from the perspective of someone who has. Everything is just forward momentum and advancement.
I regularly find it hard or difficult to relate to people. I'm an emotional mute, INTJ-A sort of person. In social settings I feel like I have to adopt persona to match the existing social cluster, which feels exhausting to constantly parse thoughts through two sets of processes in order to make sure I'm matching the vibe or flow. People would just genuinely not like the inner me, and whenever I am as I am others remark at how I'm potentially neurodivergent or mentally alien. You would assume typing this out would make me feel sad, yet I hardly feel anything while doing so; not even depression, just stating observations and information (facts and data).
Love the video, I think as men we’re all trying to find our purpose and what makes us useful and financially stable but sheeesh it’s hard navigating the unknown
I used to stand on the ocean. It was an awesome feeling. These days, I don’t really feel anything.
Excellent insights! I appreciated your video a lot.
I remember seeing this in theaters when I was 6. Probably a bit much for my little brain but I was fairly mature for my age…and it just blew me away. Honestly it’s a film that says so much and still means a lot to me. Thanks for the breakdown.
Also, my wife bought me the same shirt.
All things come to pass. Beauty, strength, even your mind will fade with time. If you define yourself by your abilities you will only find disappointment as they move from your present to your past. It is our actions and our character that define us, not our attributes. You were once an athlete, you are now a father, and someday you will be an elder. All these things are noble in their own place and time and each one influences the next.
Beautiful video bro, learned a lot from you and a knew way to go about life as a young man. So thank you and may you keep progressing in your journey with life.
Toy Story was my favorite Pixar movie until I entered my 30s then it became the Incredibles.
There are so many interpretations of this film and I and many others have not been disappointed by a single one.
A lot of interesting thoughts here. I'm 100% someone who has had multiple "identities" over the years, and lately I'm going through a crisis of sorts precisely because so much has changed that I almost feel like I don't know who I am anymore. The person I am today, and the decisions I make in the present, are being informed by a past that I can't even seem to remember. When I look back at who I was 2, 5, 10 years ago in my early-mid 20's, in some ways I feel like the same person but in many others I feel so different. I try not to beat myself up over mistakes I've made or even opportunities I've missed out on, but it's always hard when you feel like you are missing something. I'm sure the answer lies in that last statement, which is to start to find what you need within or something else but...that's WAY easier said than done.
Thanks for the video, this was really well broken down
This analysis is amazing! I’m surprised you don’t have more views bro
Awesome breakdown brother. Subbed up!
It's an amazing kid's movie because it doesn't paint a lie of a utopia.
It's real life situations portrayed in an entertaining way.
Top tier gold ✨
what an amazing analysis / video essay i really liked this
This is a fabulous analysis. Thank you for your insights!
Yeah The Incredible's nihilism works because it skirts the line but gives Mr. Incredible an out ( or at least options) Also it criticizes nostalgia but never trashes it