The smaller bits are to fit into smaller tighter spaces such as recessed fasteners on electronics, fishing reels, folding knives, etc......As others on here have already stated Milwaukee is going 3.5 as well. So pack up all your toys and don't play if you want, I"m actually going to buy 6 of these precision kits one for each vehicle my home and my office.
3months in with the 1/4 and 3/8 pass thru sets. It’s made my bag a good 10 lbs lighter with what it replaced and I have some extra space in there for a change. Very satisfied.
lol someone should sell a jig for grinding bits to size with a dremel or some shit. I don't like the ratcheting stuff because it all breaks. Screw it. Fall into the need a new screwdriver trap. They want a fucking subscription model, the leaderships thinks they are so smart now, that they can make everything a subscription. And just get a little drill from makita, that holds any hexagon or rod, has torque limiting too. just use electricity instead of falling into some clicky-trap. Those little drills are so small now its almost a screwdriver without the stupid cost addons. Like I will just use a fucking motor if you think that you can have me fall into some 1960's spring based shit... those sub compacts are SO good. And for the tiny form factor... those little pen lithium ion battery drills are good, but beware, fragile as FUCK. one 3 foot drop and its toast.... but the basic model without any features (wowstick) is good
The precision bits are nice. I get not supporting proprietary. But by buying klein. You’re already doing that. That set is worth it. Some precision sets get pretty pricy and I feel klein is reasonable.
That’s a good enough reason why I’d buy them I don’t know how many times I’ve gone to use bits and they don’t fit in the well and when most of my screwdrivers are insulated and don’t fit either this solves that problem great idea in my opinion
I thought the whole point of kits was to avoid unnecessary trips to the tool box or truck. Proprietary tools just makes everything more complicated than it needs to be. Imagine explaining to an apprentice on what tool you want him to retrieve.
A great video brother. I'm with ya on that 3.5 mm set. I have the other set and the ratcheting screw driver and the 7 in 1 screwed driver with the flip sockets. I'm glad to be in the Klein ecosystem. 😊
The difference for me is there is no standard pass thru socket standard like socket drive sizes. Plus Klein gives you a lot of adapters to use the proprietary sockets with standard wrenches. Bits that are more easily lost, should be able to be replaced, according to th3 Klein Reddit group you can’t order repkacemen5 parts for these kits, you hav3 to buy a whole kit.
The other flip socket Klein stuff is somewhat proprietary, but it really seems like it’s *better*, *unavoidable*, and they use standards when they can. Like that adapter you want a spare of. It does have a proprietary stat, but it also accepts 1/4” and 3/8” square. They didn’t do weird things “just because”. I have a set of Wiha 4mm bits that I got over 20 years ago. The ModBox system isn’t great enough to make me forego backwards compatibility.
I *think* the wrench itself is a 17mm opening, which seems to be a standard in that you can throw in the stubby sockets from Astro, et al, to expand the line. I saw that discussion on a FB forum recently. I'm planning to test it as I'm buying both the Astros and the Klein box. Just waiting for Klein to release the ratchet sets in metric.
I'm upset, and not just a little BIT! Hah get it? I was literally looking for a bit set like that... but not that one! Even the ratchet only takes the proprietary bits? You didn't even teake it out of frustration!
I would rather have a metric only set of those flip sockets as i never use SAE plus that metric only would hopefully make the cases close to the same size as the rest
From a Klein group you can’t buy replacement parts for these sets from Klein. They sell them as kits only. Thanks for saving me from buying the precision set, was thinking about it, but if you can’t buy replacement bits, why bother. It’s weird considering how much the knect system is all about compatibility.
I got the 13pc flip socket set, gotta add a 3/8 drive to hex drive adapter to make all sockets ratchet friendly if you dont have the klien pass through set. should have been in the kit IMO.
Actually, I don't think Klein has ever made 4mm bit sets. I've had one of their older precision sets (32717) for a few years, and it's definitely 3.5mm like this one.
Great overview. Thank you. I thought 3.5mm was the standard mini bit size. That's what mine have been, though they probably came from my old Klein system. I definitely prefer they stick with 3.5. I'm leaning toward this set, though I'm waiting to see what the Icon mini socket set looks like this summer.
I bought the 1/4 ratchet set, I was super excited to have it. So I grabbed the ratchet, grabbed the extension, snapped it on, then grabbed the 3/8 socket slapped it on, used it and it worked great!! Then went to take it all down, pulled the extension off and placed the ratchet back in its cradle, then tugged on the 3/8 socket and it wouldn’t come out. So I yanked on it harder, still stuck, grabbed a pair of channel locks to get a better purchase on the socket. I tugged and yanked and pulled and twisted, and it’s stuck…..still. Ran it back to Lowe’s and asked for a refund. I was extremely disappointed. It was the perfect size and everything about it was going to be functional for me….only to find out it was garbage!!! Sorry but 👎👎
Hey Dom I know you have been testing out the Tale of knives mini bandit 2.0. I was wondering if you was going to make a full review video of it. I have looked and can't find any full reviews of the 2.0. If you do can you please show if the leatherman rachet driver would fit in the pen slot
@@LordThree they want people on a subscription model, like every company. its the latest fad for companies to do. It basically means 1) fuck innovating 2) fuck R&D 3) just keep selling the base product line even more Imagine they had to figure out some new contraption
@@cdrom1070 well… That also isn’t a new thing. It goes back to the “right to repair” laws put in place during the first half of the last century. I see it’s not exactly the same these days but I take your point. 🤷🏻♂️
I wish Klein would start bringing all these kits in metric. They look awesome. But they are shooting themselves in the foot as most of the world is metric and people not in America like their products too.
is anyone getting paranoid that manufactuers are focusing on the 'satisfaction' of actuating a mechanism vs the actual function, form and quality of the tool recently? I think those videos that always brag about the 'click' or whatever being 'satisfying' and being a sign of quality? Like, I noticed they are using soft materials and playing all sorts of physics games to give it some kind of 'toy' satisfaction... but it has nothing to say about the durability of the mechanism, and usually it involves cheap poorly tempered low quality rust prone springs. I almost feel smart now, when evaluating a tool, to list any thing related to good tactile sensation for 0.1 seconds as a con, because it seems engineered at a detriment to other features. Kind of like soft grips used to be, we know now basically it turned into a rancid shit storm (seriously, it decays and smells like bodily things). the next generation of tool repair is going to be like fucking dentists fixing cavities with springs in them, instead of coating experts. IMO say NO to this CRAP. I am not saying something like low vibration or good ergonomics, I mean literarly when people talk about the "click". I heard people talking about those clicks like their addictive too, meaning companies want to push it. Like OK, so we add dampers now for no god damn reason other then to make you happy for 0.1 seconds and then rage when it breaks and your out 50$. Lets also put plastic in it for no reason other then to mellow out the mechanism that you deploy once a month. yeah i wanna pay for that. How about I save the money on the tools, and buy a toy for myself to satisfy any mechanical related urges. I don't need a fidget spinner stress toy in my basic hand tools... seriously I feel like im getting ripped off by this shit
yeah that 3.5mm SUCKS! and NOT a fan of ball-detent bits either the handle should be responsible for holding the bit there's that little groove in short bits & that big hollow in the longer bits the handle should have some kind of locking mechanism and/or magnet then there's magnets... I've been having older magnets de-chrome and then they turn to magnetic dust NOT a fan of magnets anymore
they want you to pay a tax with their product. you pay more for the thing you commonly lose and never maintain (lubricate,clean... bits??!). the driver you might maintain. that means it might last a while. this means that the company will not get tax from you. you see the bit is perfect for getting wet when you work on wet shit, so the spring rusts away. if you think magnets are bad, their 100x better then springs. i sit all those cup things upright and pour oil in em every year it took a genius burglar to figure out how to make something as fucking solid and reliable as a drill bit have a weak point in the form of a tiny low quality spring. you see watson, they want to turn a screw driver into a printer ink cartridge
and for repairing magnets, just drill it out a bit and glue in a magnet with loctite prism glue (meant for magnets) after you clean it out in the ultrasonic and dry it off good
this dude is like a land mine detection crew and your complaining???????? u work for klien bro? my hats off to the poster of the video for detecting corporate scumbagary and keeping money in my wallet.
Let's be real...this is Klein's attempt at making a proprietary hand tool ecosystem, so that you're attached to your sunk cost and convenience like a battery platform.
The smaller bits are to fit into smaller tighter spaces such as recessed fasteners on electronics, fishing reels, folding knives, etc......As others on here have already stated Milwaukee is going 3.5 as well. So pack up all your toys and don't play if you want, I"m actually going to buy 6 of these precision kits one for each vehicle my home and my office.
3.5mm bit holder can reach into tighter spaces, worth it for me, can't wait to try it out on the job.
worth for me too
3months in with the 1/4 and 3/8 pass thru sets. It’s made my bag a good 10 lbs lighter with what it replaced and I have some extra space in there for a change. Very satisfied.
I think you’re getting your knickers in a twist. 3.5 is chosen because you can reach into narrower deeper screw wells. Makes sense
The new Milwaukee micro driver is also a 3.5mm. I wonder if everyone is going to start switching to 3.5mm.
Is it 1/2….. 3/8…. 1/4… 4mm? Or should it be 1/8 bit size. 3.5mm lol.
dumb...super dumb.
lol someone should sell a jig for grinding bits to size with a dremel or some shit. I don't like the ratcheting stuff because it all breaks. Screw it. Fall into the need a new screwdriver trap. They want a fucking subscription model, the leaderships thinks they are so smart now, that they can make everything a subscription. And just get a little drill from makita, that holds any hexagon or rod, has torque limiting too. just use electricity instead of falling into some clicky-trap. Those little drills are so small now its almost a screwdriver without the stupid cost addons. Like I will just use a fucking motor if you think that you can have me fall into some 1960's spring based shit... those sub compacts are SO good. And for the tiny form factor... those little pen lithium ion battery drills are good, but beware, fragile as FUCK. one 3 foot drop and its toast.... but the basic model without any features (wowstick) is good
3.5 is used for smaller screws in a deep well. com'on guys.
@@wurlabyscott the difference in size is marginal at best. I've literally never seen a situation where one works and the other wouldnt.
The precision bits are nice. I get not supporting proprietary. But by buying klein. You’re already doing that. That set is worth it. Some precision sets get pretty pricy and I feel klein is reasonable.
3.5mm bits in a holder fit into plastic injection molded screw head wells, the 4mm ones in holder do not.
That’s a good enough reason why I’d buy them I don’t know how many times I’ve gone to use bits and they don’t fit in the well and when most of my screwdrivers are insulated and don’t fit either this solves that problem great idea in my opinion
That precsion set worked wonders on some fire alarm stuff this week. Highly recommend to other sparkys out there!
I thought the whole point of kits was to avoid unnecessary trips to the tool box or truck. Proprietary tools just makes everything more complicated than it needs to be. Imagine explaining to an apprentice on what tool you want him to retrieve.
3.5 will become the standard soon. That .5mm make a huge difference in being able to get to some fasteners that 4mm just can't.
A great video brother. I'm with ya on that 3.5 mm set. I have the other set and the ratcheting screw driver and the 7 in 1 screwed driver with the flip sockets. I'm glad to be in the Klein ecosystem. 😊
i like the powder finish and the the way it locks like you said... really like it ...
My reason for not getting the precision set was I already have an ifixit kit, but this helps reinforce my decision. Thanks!
Cool how they stack like that. Thanks Dom
All the other sets are proprietary. Just look at the pass thought sockets or the flip sockets it's all proprietary. What's the difference?
The difference for me is there is no standard pass thru socket standard like socket drive sizes. Plus Klein gives you a lot of adapters to use the proprietary sockets with standard wrenches. Bits that are more easily lost, should be able to be replaced, according to th3 Klein Reddit group you can’t order repkacemen5 parts for these kits, you hav3 to buy a whole kit.
The other flip socket Klein stuff is somewhat proprietary, but it really seems like it’s *better*, *unavoidable*, and they use standards when they can.
Like that adapter you want a spare of. It does have a proprietary stat, but it also accepts 1/4” and 3/8” square. They didn’t do weird things “just because”.
I have a set of Wiha 4mm bits that I got over 20 years ago. The ModBox system isn’t great enough to make me forego backwards compatibility.
I *think* the wrench itself is a 17mm opening, which seems to be a standard in that you can throw in the stubby sockets from Astro, et al, to expand the line. I saw that discussion on a FB forum recently. I'm planning to test it as I'm buying both the Astros and the Klein box. Just waiting for Klein to release the ratchet sets in metric.
I'm upset, and not just a little BIT!
Hah get it?
I was literally looking for a bit set like that... but not that one! Even the ratchet only takes the proprietary bits? You didn't even teake it out of frustration!
And I'm doing spelling errors of frustration!
I would rather have a metric only set of those flip sockets as i never use SAE plus that metric only would hopefully make the cases close to the same size as the rest
From a Klein group you can’t buy replacement parts for these sets from Klein. They sell them as kits only. Thanks for saving me from buying the precision set, was thinking about it, but if you can’t buy replacement bits, why bother. It’s weird considering how much the knect system is all about compatibility.
Great video, as usual. Keep up the good work mate.
I got the 13pc flip socket set, gotta add a 3/8 drive to hex drive adapter to make all sockets ratchet friendly if you dont have the klien pass through set. should have been in the kit IMO.
Actually, I don't think Klein has ever made 4mm bit sets. I've had one of their older precision sets (32717) for a few years, and it's definitely 3.5mm like this one.
Great overview. Thank you. I thought 3.5mm was the standard mini bit size. That's what mine have been, though they probably came from my old Klein system. I definitely prefer they stick with 3.5. I'm leaning toward this set, though I'm waiting to see what the Icon mini socket set looks like this summer.
I bought the 1/4 ratchet set, I was super excited to have it. So I grabbed the ratchet, grabbed the extension, snapped it on, then grabbed the 3/8 socket slapped it on, used it and it worked great!! Then went to take it all down, pulled the extension off and placed the ratchet back in its cradle, then tugged on the 3/8 socket and it wouldn’t come out. So I yanked on it harder, still stuck, grabbed a pair of channel locks to get a better purchase on the socket. I tugged and yanked and pulled and twisted, and it’s stuck…..still. Ran it back to Lowe’s and asked for a refund. I was extremely disappointed. It was the perfect size and everything about it was going to be functional for me….only to find out it was garbage!!! Sorry but 👎👎
Homie don’t play that.
Klein needs to make a 4mm Precision Driver Set now.
The whole series of mod boxes are proprietary... you loose or break anything and Klein will make a pretty dollar for replacement.
smaller bits for smaller electronics i love it or would need a driver for each charger im working on
Hey Dom I know you have been testing out the Tale of knives mini bandit 2.0. I was wondering if you was going to make a full review video of it. I have looked and can't find any full reviews of the 2.0. If you do can you please show if the leatherman rachet driver would fit in the pen slot
Don't lose the precision bits! 🤷 You're welcome 😁
All the precision but kits I have are 3.5. Don’t get why it’s such a big deal. These will fit where other bits won’t.
I was under the impression that shorter bits = more magnetism
Gotta do what you gotta do bro.
So… the 3.5 mm aren’t even loosely compatible with the 4mm? Seems like everything would be compatible from 3.5mm male going to 4.0mm female right?
its quite loose in 3.5mm. the bigger issue is getting replacement bits for 3.5 when 4mm is everywhere.
We call them 1/8 bits. They go with your 1/4, 3/8, 1/2, 3/4…. Etc.
@@maxlvledc it definitely seems like a move to proprietary but that’s just so incredibly weird it makes me think there must be an explanation
@@LordThree they want people on a subscription model, like every company. its the latest fad for companies to do. It basically means
1) fuck innovating
2) fuck R&D
3) just keep selling the base product line even more
Imagine they had to figure out some new contraption
@@cdrom1070 well…
That also isn’t a new thing. It goes back to the “right to repair” laws put in place during the first half of the last century. I see it’s not exactly the same these days but I take your point. 🤷🏻♂️
does klein sell individual replacement sockets/bits?
Those sockets are proprietary to Klein also they will not work with any other pass through system.
I wish Klein would start bringing all these kits in metric. They look awesome. But they are shooting themselves in the foot as most of the world is metric and people not in America like their products too.
What watch are you wearing in this video?
its the Vaer Field watch. did a whole video on my current watch collection last Friday.
@@maxlvledcThank You!
@@maxlvledcDo you have an affiliate link for the watch?
@@maxlvledc Yes, I agree. Damn nice looking timepiece.
They did it so you can get the bits down in the wholes made in the plastic on alot of electric tools. 4mm is to big
3.5mm bits don’t bother me a bit
Thank you I’ll avoid the 3.5mm as well
Think generic, it create solutions.
You are 100% CORRECT on the 3.5mm bits. It’s BS.
is anyone getting paranoid that manufactuers are focusing on the 'satisfaction' of actuating a mechanism vs the actual function, form and quality of the tool recently? I think those videos that always brag about the 'click' or whatever being 'satisfying' and being a sign of quality? Like, I noticed they are using soft materials and playing all sorts of physics games to give it some kind of 'toy' satisfaction... but it has nothing to say about the durability of the mechanism, and usually it involves cheap poorly tempered low quality rust prone springs. I almost feel smart now, when evaluating a tool, to list any thing related to good tactile sensation for 0.1 seconds as a con, because it seems engineered at a detriment to other features. Kind of like soft grips used to be, we know now basically it turned into a rancid shit storm (seriously, it decays and smells like bodily things). the next generation of tool repair is going to be like fucking dentists fixing cavities with springs in them, instead of coating experts. IMO say NO to this CRAP. I am not saying something like low vibration or good ergonomics, I mean literarly when people talk about the "click". I heard people talking about those clicks like their addictive too, meaning companies want to push it. Like OK, so we add dampers now for no god damn reason other then to make you happy for 0.1 seconds and then rage when it breaks and your out 50$. Lets also put plastic in it for no reason other then to mellow out the mechanism that you deploy once a month. yeah i wanna pay for that. How about I save the money on the tools, and buy a toy for myself to satisfy any mechanical related urges. I don't need a fidget spinner stress toy in my basic hand tools... seriously I feel like im getting ripped off by this shit
yeah that 3.5mm SUCKS!
and NOT a fan of ball-detent bits either
the handle should be responsible for holding the bit
there's that little groove in short bits & that big hollow in the longer bits
the handle should have some kind of locking mechanism and/or magnet
then there's magnets...
I've been having older magnets de-chrome and then they turn to magnetic dust
NOT a fan of magnets anymore
they want you to pay a tax with their product. you pay more for the thing you commonly lose and never maintain (lubricate,clean... bits??!). the driver you might maintain. that means it might last a while. this means that the company will not get tax from you. you see the bit is perfect for getting wet when you work on wet shit, so the spring rusts away. if you think magnets are bad, their 100x better then springs. i sit all those cup things upright and pour oil in em every year
it took a genius burglar to figure out how to make something as fucking solid and reliable as a drill bit have a weak point in the form of a tiny low quality spring. you see watson, they want to turn a screw driver into a printer ink cartridge
and for repairing magnets, just drill it out a bit and glue in a magnet with loctite prism glue (meant for magnets) after you clean it out in the ultrasonic and dry it off good
The 3.5mm game Klein is playing totally stops me from buying their micro bit sets. What are they going to make next - 🤡A 5/16" square driver set🤡
This dude returns so much stuff. Maybe do your research before hand.
I do? source?
I think he likes to show you the tool good or not. Now that you've seen him find out you don't have to.
@@maxlvledche just doesn't get it. I appreciate you showing these tools
this dude is like a land mine detection crew and your complaining???????? u work for klien bro? my hats off to the poster of the video for detecting corporate scumbagary and keeping money in my wallet.
People like Dom go to the time and effort and then film the results SPECIFICALLY so that the rest of us don't have to. That's the job description.
Let's be real...this is Klein's attempt at making a proprietary hand tool ecosystem, so that you're attached to your sunk cost and convenience like a battery platform.