2020 KTM Duke 890R vs Triumph Street Triple RS
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 3 มิ.ย. 2020
- From the moment we first threw a leg over the KTM 890 Duke R, it was clear that it was going to be a contender for all kinds of awards and accolades. It’s a damn good motorcycle, highlighted by an engine that instantly put a grin on our faces. But there’s another motorcycle out there, similar in many ways to the KTM, also with a grin-inducing engine - the Triumph Street Triple RS.
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The battle of things I can’t afford
move yourself ! go where there is well paid jobs ! nothing is impossible in life !
U can get a loan!! It's not a ducati panigale v4 u know
Have a crash and let insurance pay for a new bike, that's how I did it, although no 890..
@Malcolm Reynolds how much hp? Is it faster than the super duke? ☺️
Buy a used street triple r, I ride a 2018, and I've also owned a 2012. The 2012 is almost as good as the 2018, and you can pick them up cheap.
I would happily take either bike. But on the street, 90% of the time, you're not pushing your bike to its limit. The KTM seems awesome, but the Triumph seems more composed and smoother. In most daily situations, it may be the nicer bike. Don't get me wrong. I'd love to take a rip on the KTM. I think you date the KTM, but you marry the Triumph. Or if you're poor like me, you settle with the Yamaha MT-09.
apart from the suspension that mt09 is AMAZING (for reference I ride a superduke)
In my country, mt09 is expensive as shit and the z900 is much cheaper.
@@vivekstreme1994 OK. Fair enough. Then go for the z900. I would. Out of curiosity, what country do you live in?
@@adamschoedel8829 India. Middle weight naked options we got here are the street triple, mt09, z900, gsxs750, Duke 790 and the bmw f900r. Believe it or not, the mt09 is the most expensive of them all and the most basic.
@@vivekstreme1994 Hey, thanks for the info. I live in Japan. As you might expect, the MT-09 isn't so expensive here. The Triumphs, KTMs, and BMWs are though. Weird world. But we're all bike enthusiasts, no matter where we live. Ride what works for you. Ride safely, and have fun!
The two bikes I debated in my head for some time, both amazing in their own way, ended up with the KTM. There's no wrong choice here, I wish I could have one of each.
I did the same debate, but decided to go with the Triumph. You’re right, really close decision 😃. There are some awesome bikes coming out from all the manufacturers at the moment, once we’re through winter the 2021 summer is going to be epic!
Miss you having the KTM Cuban Rider. Some of the best riding I’ve seen. Showed what this naked bike can do.
@Michael Tee There’s a reason every reviewer has picked the 890R in a head to head comparison, you obviously have no idea what that reason is, but we do.
@@freebehindbars8654 thanks bro, I missed a lot too on this last trip, but the new owner lives by the mountains so he will put it to good use.
Same. Comes down to what kinda attitude your drawn to.
The winner is the consumer having bikes at this price point and weight with this much handling and power. You can't go wrong here. Middleweight bikes are where it's at.
100% I have 1290 SDR and its great fun, the power is useable,
but I cant keep the throttle open for more than 2 seconds because
its so quick, and im stuck behind soccer moms and their SUVs,
the middleweights have useable power, AND you can keep more of the
throttle open, more of the time.
Not to mention the middleweights are much lighter and more agile.
Yeah, comes down to preference. Tested 20 bikes and triumph fitted me the best 🤷🏻♂️
Street Triple 765 owner here, so there's absolutely bias - I'll mention that upfront - but a few things I wished it was mentioned.
There is a rider mode for the RS model that you can adjust (or turn off) traction control to your liking. It is shitty that it's only on the RS model.
It's a small creature comfort for the street but worth mentioning is the TFT Screen is immensely adjustable - from a giant Rev bar for the track to large numerical indicator just for the street that inverts black & white depending on environmental lighting. Also! Triumph has bluetooth connectivity which pairs the screen with your phone, so you can have a sat nav right on your screen; which isn't a big deal on track but great for people like myself who just enjoy going to random twisties and the occasional day trips.
The handlebar mirrors on the RS tho is atrocious, it vibrates like a broken controller at higher revs and makes the view a blurry mess - which on the street matters a lot.
I do wish I could try the 890R, I have tried a buddy's 790 and that thing is a beast.
Strange, i don't have any issues with the mirrors on the RS. The 2020 has them updated with a different design which i guess works better.
Ummm so my 790 has bluetooth connectivity too... The TFT display also adjusts itself depending on lighting conditions. The 890 has the same TFT and modes etc that the 790 has or can add.
You can adjust traction control/turn off on all the street triples, and ABS can be adjusted on all. Only can turn off the ABS on pre Euro 5 models.
The KTM has all the Bluetooth stuff. The KTM has 9 stages of traction control including lean sensitive traction control. The Duke has ABS on and off including the ability to has ABS on the front and off on the rear. The Triumph is good but it's been overtaken. Also I don't believe the weight figures touted by the Triumph. Just looking at the size of the engine it's clear its alot heavier than the Duke. When it comes to engine noise the Triumph wins hands down. I personally think they tried really hard to find something to complain about the Duke. The gear thing is a non issue. I know from test rides. The stability on the lean? Never heard any review saying that. Maybe it was a bit too quick for them? KTM bikes are top of the class in my opinion. There's a reason they are the biggest European manufacturer by sales numbers.
RealOrbit - Australia triumph has GPS navigation and GoPro support and won’t be in the shop for a month getting repairs like the KTM.
I was in the same boat of whtr 890 or StRs. Finally what sealed the deal was IMU. Cornering ABS was a must have for me. I wont claim that i am superhuman rider and dont need electronic nannies, i would rather be considered lame and have all the safety net i can get just like being atgatt while riding and keep pushing that envelope safely on the streets. Plus the 890 feels so much smaller and nimbler due to the narrow waist weight and chassis dynamics. Yes reliability wise KTM doesnt score as much as triumph, but in this day and age its a gamble no matter which direction you go with euro bikes. So if you have a KTM dealer close by, want to have the safety on modern day electronics and ride streets mostly with occasional track days hands down duke 890 wins. Take a chance, take a leap of faith, i know i did after many many bikes over many years this is my first ktm and i absolutely love it :D This is not me trying to validate my purchase. This i my honest advise as a fellow motorcycle enthusiast and aficionado, if your int he market for comfortable street ripper that can be fun at tracks try this motorcycle and then decide.
Respect!!! I’m going to be working at a Ktm dealership this Saturday hopefully they’ll let me ride one for a few minutes lmao
Man great bikes till they need maitance , i reallybdo hope youre dealership is clean cause ktm is well known to have very poor quallity standard as well as custumer service (is never their fault )
Did you pay the $800 extra to get all the unlockable goodies in the track pack?
fprintf yea, ktm does this highway “soft”ware robbery. Most of these knickknacks are charged extra. But tell me a middleweight bike out now that has such advanced electronics like 6 axis IMU cornering abs tc etc. Bmw coming with 900 now final price is comparable to this. If Yamaha would bring the R1 tech package to the fz09 I would have bought that no question asked and just pay extra for suspension upgrade. 👍 the IMU as of now no real aftermarket option.
Congrats on the new bike. I had the same considerations when I was looking for something more nimble. I picked a 790 over the Street R (the RS’s power is even more focused at high RPM) for the IMU, the torque advantage across the board, and the power advantage when the engine isn’t at screaming rpms (less attention from LEO). The only thing I don’t love about it is the lack of full adjustment on the suspension. The 890 gets full adjustment, a big reduction of unsprung weight, a ridiculous brake upgrade, and moar power. The folks at The Motorcycle Shop are expecting me..
I still would pick up that Triumph though
KTM is a hooligan bike, Triumph a proper and good street naked bike.
😂
Being hooligan is the only purpose these bikes exist for. Fun facotr wins buyer's heart
They should have compared the KTM to the Hypermotard 950. The Triumph is effectively a GSXR 750 with a handlebar and no fairings, but with excellent electronics and brakes as standard for the same price.
I own the KTM. I love it.
Big advantage in the brakes for the KTM: spurts out the specs for each motorcylce... "theres not much of a difference that the average person could tell, we sure as hell didnt"
Litterally 45 seconds later: "you can really feel the difference in braking its quite astonishing"
Wow, could you make up your minds? xD
Sounds like a Paid review by KTM
This is a common problem with these bike reviews. They tend to be subjective & inaccurate and leave you with more questions than answers. Kevin Duke used to be the king of these half assed, mega casual, non-reviews: "It's got about, what, a hundred something horsepower... yeah it's not a slow machine but it's no superbike either..." Just do your damn homework and give your concrete opinion about the bike without changing it every minute. So, for example, are the KTM's brakes better or not? Yes or no?! It's simple! Because people are watching this 20+ minute video and not getting many real answers...
@@fatsharks Too true. I dont understand why in the current technology era with data acquisition devices being so cheap, why reviewers cant simply measure the braking distances from 30 - 60 -100 mph. Sure you cant measure braking FEEL, but putting a number can help express what these reviewers cannot.
Also i hate how people see a big brand like brembo and automatically assume it has stellar braking performance. As the current owner of a zx6r with nissin brakes i can say for sure that they are the best brakes ive ever had on a bike. Ive tested MT10s, street triples and Z1000s: all of them with inferior brakes. Just because its brembo doesnt mean its untouchable.
@@fatsharks subjective is ok but at least that should be consistent and descriptive. As in. When i rode Honda cbr600rr, ktm 950supermoto and street triple r they all had brutal brakes and none needed more than 2 fingers but... Not sure i remember right just an example, the ktm invited you to really just use one finger. Not better. Different. Or things how far yoy gotta pull it. And, as always for the ones that don't know how these brakes feel different to your bogstandard ok brakes where you better use your entire hand for a full stop in a hurry. They review in a way that assumes everyone knows these things.
I’m going to use my portion of the KTM payoff to buy the 320mm Galfer discs for my 790.
Finally! Was waiting for this for a while! I’m glad KTM stepped up their game with the 890 and made it the bike it as meant to be! Can’t wait to buy this bike! It’s the best street bike this side of the Tuono!
S1000r is the daddy..can even carry your damsel in comfort...
The triumph is more composed and stable in corners! And I like the sound.
Someone hasn’t ridden both. I’m sure he’ll chime in that he’s spent time on both, but obviously hasn’t. I traded my RS in after riding the 890R for a weekend. Not close. The torque of the KTM makes the completely different animals, with the Triumph in the rear view. I liked my Triumph, all of them but I love this KTM.
@@freebehindbars8654 No disagreeing that he probably hasn’t ridden both or detracting from your opinions regarding the KTM, but OP talking about the perceived cornering stability of the Striple, not its torque.
@@MultiVance123 Never ridden a bike that wants to be on it’s side more than this KTM. It’s effortless. The Triumph is a great bike, but there’s a reason everyone that’s had a side by side comparison has gone with the KTM. It’s something special. Reason it was chosen as Motorcycle.com’s motorcycle of the year for 2020, not just naked bike, but of any.
After riding both the 890 Duke and Street Triple rs today, I put down a deposit for the Triumph. There is simply no comparison in my humble opinion.
You are correct sir, and I don't even think that is a subjective opinion. Anyone that has decent eye sight can see the quality and fit and finish of the Triumph compared to the KTM. The KTM fit and finish is just crap and looks like one of those Chinese bikes you can buy of Amazon for like 6 grand.
@@Lex-Rex lol You are everywhere...
Of course it's a subjective opinion. And you don't need the whole world validating the RS because you prefer it. Just buy it, enjoy it, and realize the 890R is equal, and in some cases more advanced/optioned, especially for the cost. These things are very personal, emotional, environmental.
That makes two of us!!
@@Lex-Rex The Street Triple is a good bike but it is overpriced because it is made in a third world country where they can pay super low salaries
I've owned two panigale 959's and I'm 5-6 seconds faster a lap around my local track on my 2020 street triple rs. It's the best all round bike I've owned. I've even owned a 2018 tuono factory and although that was incredibly fast it just wasn't as nimble as the RS and in all honesty was overkill for riding on the streets.
The street triple rs is such a pleasure to ride slow or fast. Quality components and build. It really hits the sweet spot
This is the shootout I’ve been waiting for!
If it was my money it would be the Street triple RS I love that triple and the quality of Triumph bikes.
They made in India!( The UK factory closed last in 2020
@@Zloi_oi are you serious? Do your research before talking shit. UK factory still up and running, Triumph has no factory in India. Street Triple is made at Triumph factory Thailand, bikes are made there for more 15 years now.
@@Ha3731
UK factory is a museum kind of. Nothing's made in UK. At most may be assemble of high end line. The rest I'd Thailand.
Test drive both before deciding. Leave emotions out and the ktm is thre choice.
@@expatbiker6598 I tested the Street Triple RS for 1 hour, before the lockdown. Placed the order on the spot and paid in full. Now just waiting to be delivered.
I have the KTM 890 Duke R and it is an amazing bike, the fueling is defiantly not as good as my 2014 Street Triple R. Only real gripe I have with the bike so far is just build quality, the bike leaks from the oil pan on the kickstand side. Noticed it with 150 miles on the bike, it’s a small issue but when I pay for a brand new motorcycle I don’t expect it to leak oil.
Wesley C what did the dealer say?
My 790 does the same, dealer to fix at first service next week
jackmac66 Will get fixed next week at first service covered under the warranty.
Brenton Edwards Yea I knew the 790’s had the same problem but I was hoping they would have fixed it by now because I’m pretty sure this has been a recurring issue for the last couple model years.
@@Wescramer42 Mines '18 run out model one of the last few left here in Oz
Need both, still have the Triumph to ride whilst the KTM is in the workshop haha.
Great detailed reviews guys. Great Job!
FINALLY we get som head to head again! Please please please more of these tests :)
I find interesting the fact that the KTM won this test again, when it is ones again, the one with fueling and transmission issues, whereas no particular flows where mentioned on the Triumph! Good Stuff!
Thank you so much for the review. I am currently riding 2017 Ninja 650 which I enjoy a lot!! I have been so curious about KTM recently especially 790 and 890. I guess my next bike will be KTM.
Great review. Iam really jealous of that nice california weather since the one I have in Slovenia is rain and clouds all the time and we are in Summer.
Choice is pretty simple...If you want pure performance...you'll end up with the KTM. But if you want a smile on your face every time you twist the throttle in the street, Triumph is the way to go. A lot of reviewers are performance biased, but I feel that the triumph community is more on the "have pleasure" mindset rather than "I want to be the fastest". Reliability and build quality wise triumph beats KTM easy.
The Triumph is loads faster than the KTM when the KTM is in the shop.
I feel like the triump is pure premium naked bike and far the best in my opinion 🤔😁
Street Triple won for me. I love everything about that bike. The biggest problem with the KTM, and what made the choice of buying the Triumph even easier, is having to look at it; I’m not a fan of the KTM styling. But I know lots of other people love the angular look. It’s just a personal choice.
LOCKDOWN COULDN'T GET ANY BETTER THAN THIS..😍😍😍
If you are riding in the dark, 890's headlight is one of the best in the market today..its so damn bright...
The Triumph actually has an excellent headlight as well. Of the 9 bikes I’ve owned, the 2014 Vstrom 1000 was the best, and the STRS is a close second. That’s a really important safety feature that reviewers always gloss over IMO.
Great review - really informative and well balanced. In the UK the KTM costs a little bit more. In 2018 I chose the STR over the 790 as the 790 felt as if it was not quite finished and a bit plastic-fantastic whereas the STR felt more polished and substantial. I'm also not a big fan of the KTM aesthetics - whilst you don't see them whilst you're riding them it's nice to have something you like the look of in the garage. Good to see that KTM have upped their game though - I love the variety and competition in these "mid-range" naked bikes.
Cracks me up how small you can have your registration plates in the U.S. and yet your turn signals are HUGE! Complete opposite to where I live. Our number plates are ridiculous!
Cracking breakdown as always 👍🏼
I really never understood the reasoning behind those massive plates of yours....lol
@@SteveWKk So the piggies can catch the plates easier as they go through all the nanny state speed traps that infest Europe.
Love my RS!
Great video guys!
Triumph Street Triple all day everyday hands down. I just cannot get over the cheapness and fit and finish on KTM street bikes. Triumph just destroys KTM when it comes to aesthetics and quality. I understand that is subjective, but I challenge anyone to look at fit and finish and tell me I am wrong. The only thing I dislike about the Triumph is the headlights, but I resolved that with a single headlight conversion and it now looks awesome. I rode the KTM duke and various years of them and I don't even think about it. I would pick a Monster 821 over the KTM and that is my thoughts although no one really gives a shit LOL.
Aesthetics is a personal thing but to me the KTM ( in fact all KTM's ) looks are very dated , the "insect " thing has been done to death and done much better . The MV Brutale from a decade ago was a much cleaner design .
The finish is also an issue … I just think it looks cheap , really built down to a price .
Thank you. Triumph is king of fit and finish and I am getting to the point that it is not a subjective opinion. I ended up getting the Triumph primarily for the triple engine, but I had both bikes next to each other and pretty much everyone was like that KTM looks like a Chinese knockoff due to how cheap it looks.
Yes everyone has a different taste. I am also not the biggest fan of the KTM look but the Striple is for me one of the worst looking bikes on the market. I love the Bonneville, Bobber Black and the Speed Twin but i can't stand the look of the Striple..✌️
I have had two ducatis and really want to change to the ktm but im scared i will miss Ducati hahaha. Ill wait for next year to see what naked bikes other brands come out with. Great review. Good suspension and brakes are my way to go
Can’t believe that Triumph went from symmetrical to an asymmetrical headlight arrangement. Why? Triumph, Why?
Because just as many would whine and complain about "old fashioned round headlight buckets".
Hi guys! Nice video but ... the KTM is unfortunately not cheaper than the Street Triple RS when you add the shifter (not standard) and the optional driving modes (Track and Custom). That said, I would really love to see a big test between the Street RS, the Duke 890R, the MT-09 (or FZ-) SP and a comparable MV triple (Brutale or Dragster) standard or RR ... What do you think about this?
Twin cylinder torque for the win. Twist the throttle at iddle and watch it pull to the readline. Tripples are nice but it'll always be a two pot for me.
I’ve had Buell, KTM 690 Duke, and 690 SMCR currently and they all vibrate pretty good. Of course, the 690 is single, so that’s to be expected.... but, this Triumph is a triple ... so what do you think about the vibrations coming from this? Would it be a lot less than the parallel twin 890?
I've ridden at track days with Troy. Seems like a nice guy and I enjoyed his take here. I don't know Ryan. But Chris Ulrich over at Roadracing World gave a big thumbs up on the KTM after both street and track rides. I'll take his word for it when he says the KTM is a winner. He also didn't mention transmission notchiness or a loss of feel or stability at lean. I'm getting the KTM as a street bike since I have purpose built bikes for the track. It sounds like both these bikes are competent on street and track. Personally I'm more willing to modify the KTM for comfort (gel seat, etc) than to upgrade mechanical bits that costs lots of money to improve (dont ask me how I know this :))
Good review guys! What vest / gear are you using for the 360 cam? Cheers!
Great video guys!! Super knowledgeable. I wondering if you guys will compare the KTM 890 duke r between kawasaki z900 in the future.. Im very indecisive between this two bike.. it would be nice to see your opinion thanks..
Typical middle of the road, totally unhelpful, “we don’t want to annoy a dealer” review.
True and not true. Sometimes I agree that's the case but these 2 bikes are really close. Tested ride both eventually end with the 890 but I'd be happy with either. That's from someone downsizing from a Tuono 1100.
these "experts" are talking about tourque curves without considering gear ratios. These two aren't the sharpest tools, I'd say.
The 790 Adventure R I rode at the dealer showed the same annoying gearbox to me. Very hard to shift, just feels very rubbish, the quick shifter denied to switch gears very often, actually it was unusable. I really wish KTM would pay more attention to develop a bike, that really works throughout the whole rev range and also through all gears. Chassis and suspension are usually really good, but engine and gearbox is key to a good motorbike.
Thank you for this honest review. Between the lines the actual problems become obvious.
Nice job guys!
The dealer in my city has some left over 2018 and 19 Street Triples. Don't know much about them but after seeing your video saving a couple grand on the Triple seems like a steal.
That Triumph looks so good tho!!!
I’ve seen both bikes in person and the Triumph does look topnotch...in comparison the KTM looks a bit plasticky up close.
@@robertpowers1045 Yeah, the quality of finish is not even close. It's obvious even from the video. The Triumph looks much more premium. The KTM looks like a toy!
In person the build quality of Triumph is very clear, KTM has a lot of plastic feeling to it. Even the nuts and bolts of the Triumph are machined nicely. Once you put your leg over the bikes all this is irrelevant, but I do appreciate products that are built with higher quality finish.
You mean it's good or bad
I would like to see a comparison between the KTM Duke 890 (non R) and the Triumph Street Triple R to see how it performs in a day-to-day scenario.
How bout 890 vs 790 vs mt09 vs z9 vs triple vs bmw900 vs monster...
I'm in the market and was set on the Triumph even just a couple months ago. Once I saw the 890, I was interested for sure. This review pretty much solidifies it as my choice. A couple nags here, though - the price is almost identical for the two once you unlock those nicer electronics on the KTM, and the KTM's front suspension has no preload adjustment (might not be a big deal...or might need something like a cartridge kit to get the most out of it).
I keep pointing out in the comments that they are always comparing the base MSRP while forgetting the nearly $800 to unlock the track pack in the KTM that has all the equivalent goodies (many of which come in the 790 already). Once you adjust for that then price is no longer an advantage for the KTM.
Bad choice ese -- just saying. KTM warranty is shite and the fit and finish is worse than Chinese knockoffs.
@@Lex-Rex Are u Truimphs Employ or what?? U r everywhere dude..Sprading Misguiding people about KTM...
Still wish Suzuki would make a great superbike using their Vtwin
As a Suzuki rider I feel they are behind a generation. Really sad since Kawa and Suzuki are my favourite brands.
Me too, i wait after the GSX-T 700, with Suzuki we'll added the best price, the service and the reliability.
sky works the top notch gixxer isn’t but i agree with you regarding their other models. However, at the same time i don’t mind that either. I could go buy a gixxer 750 and be happy with it. I don’t even want a tft dash
@Ben Daulton it's a big rumor in France, a 700cc parallel twin (43 cub inch) with a little turbocharger ( the expérience come with Suzuki automobile ), have a good day Ben Daulton.
Yep but the GSX-S 750 has one of the best 750 motors ever produced. I know, it's not updated in electronics but it's cheaper too and very easily modified. You got to test ride it
Excellent and balanced review. Touched on the subtleties that come into play when making a decision.
KTM can't do cool like triumph. That triple is the coolest bike on the planet. I still don't know which I prefer. I've always loved ktm. But I honestly think if your not pushing to the limit like these pro riders the triple is a show stopper. A m8 at work has one and it's an event when he turns up on it and it draws a crowd. The ktm is invisible by comparison. This is a nerds review these guys know all the stats and ride better than me but they never mention style or cool and the triumph stomps KTM at that.
And let the comparisons begin. Tough to pick between the two.
Jose Ochoa Street Triple styling looks much better than KTM’s but that’s just us
Great video! What do you use for the over the shoulder recording?
hopefully ktm fixed the oil leaks
i like the sound of the triple very much thats why i went for the RS. looks better too.. the KTM dare i say looks juvenile only cos of the presence of the 390s and 490 dukes... but in the end all motorcyclists are juveniles at heart..lol.. good review..
I own the KTM and a Harley XR1200. Both of them race in the Super Hooligan class. Both of them make a old time rider happy.
I take it the KTM is for when there are any bends in the road.
Not sure for the American version, but my TSTRS 2020 has a great blipper too, which is optional on 890r.
When I checked the prices, bring to the KTM the blipper and some options to make it look more refined summed up to a price not lower than that of the Street Triple RS.
On the Triumph, no IMU. For the moment I didn't feel the lack of it, but I didn't went out to the track yet...
On my bike the traction control can be excluded. Not the abs. On open roads I still didn't reach the abs limit (in "track" mode).
Do a year after purchase review, my money says the KTM wins hands down.. (on the number of days in the shop anyway)😂😂
Test road both of them last Saturday. Ended up buying the Street Triple on Tuesday. No complaints.
WHY NOT THE KTM
Once KTM get their build quality up to 1/2 of Triumphs, or any Japanese bike, then I'll start to be interested. Check out any KTM forum, I'm afraid they just aren't reliable yet.
Also, a quick peek at Triumph forums will show people complaining that their brand new 765s aren’t coming with advertised features
Would the upgraded wp pro cartridge on the 890 improve that mid corner stability??
Never had any problems with the stability
Great review, having just highsided and destroyed my 2014 Triumph STR I now have to buy one of these. But which one?
Easy. The Triumph all day every day. Triple engine and fit and finish.
you've had a triumph and you're debating a KTM? lol
Troys' Arai RX7/Corsair Helmet graphic looks sweet azzzzz.... what is the graphic called?
I'm glad that the motorcycle industry doesn't have to comply to the same emission standards than cars. Car engine are getting smaller all the time and motorcycles is the opposite. I still prefer to go fast on a slow bike and I'm glad there are so many options. 10 years ago it was very standardized. You had your 500cc twin for entry level, 600cc inline 4 for mid range and if you wanted options you had to go 1000cc or above.
You brought up my main concern about the Triumph... sitting on top of the bike like a sail. I’m wondering if this gets comfortable over time.
I am 1,93m and can ride over 200km with no problem
Have Suzuki build a transmission for that 890R.
Nevertheless, if KTM would allow the aftermarket to crack the ECU and tune stuff, that would be nice. So far, the 1290SDR ECU seems to be accessible through Brentuning. Not sure how KTM will refine the QS calibration unless they have a flash update available through dealerships. Clearly the KTM is the electronic king in this comparison, also cruise control is optional through dealerships.
Lots to be had from 750cc to 950cc in naked street bikes. Fours, triples, twins. Very much comes down to personal preference in engine type, ergonomics, what someone wants for their dollar, where they will use it most often. One thing remains however, you mostly get what you pay for in these categories. Sure the MT-09, Z900, GSX-S750 and others are less expensive, but the components are also less premium and there's less electronic programming onboard....which some folks actually prefer.
I am surprised that after the Street Triple facelift (I prefer the previous headlights though), they still find the Triumph dated looking. To me it looks every bit as modern as the 890 duke R. Also, I could believe that the 890 duke R is better. But, what makes me suspicious is that the 790 duke won marginally last year too in Motorcycle.com. And the question is how could it win marginally last year and this year, when the Street Triple specs barely changed , whereas the 890 r specs are so much better than the 790? It makes no sense how the 790 could have won the comparison against the Street Triple R, when it was down on power, suspension, brakes etc and, at the same time the Street Triple won every quantitative test in pretty much every other magazine (i.e. 0-60, 1/4 mile, braking etc.). Conclusion, I suspect that Motorcycle.com is a very 'unbiased' and 'honest' magazine! What do you think people?
Last year it was the 790 Duke against the Street Triple R (not RS). These are two completely different motorcycles with more upscale componentry and power delivery.
I think it's more the preference of the riders/reviewers for the riding style of the KTM. The super moto hooligan bike thing is more exciting for them to ride i think. Both bikes are amazing and you can't go wrong with either. Hard to pick a winner here. They just picked what was closest to their heart.
@@EvansBrasfieldMotojournalist The difference between the R and RS ain't that big though. Whereas the changes from 790 to 890 duke are quite big i'd say.
@@RutgerMulder Yes, this is what I am saying! The 2019 Triumph Street Triple R is not a big down-spec on the RS. The engine (including compression figures) and electronics are the same. When the R and the RS were tested back to back on the Dyno by Fast Bikes Mag, they found small differences in power (the R had 6hp extra in the midrange, whereas the rs had 4hp extra in at 10-12k rpm). Thus, the 790 duke won against the Str. Triple R, when the R made 15 hp more on the dyno (both bikes weigh the same btw) and, had Brembo m4.32 brakes with Brembo master cylinders (the same with the 2019 Speed Triple RS), fully adjustable suspension (the same with Kawa zx6r), better gearing, fuelling and quality of finish, when at the same time the R outperformed the 790 at every quantitative test (0-60, braking, 1/4 mile etc). On the other hand, the 790 duke had non-adjustable suspension, budget brake set up, less power, transmission issues and worse fuelling, but a quick-shifter (You can put a quicksfifter on the R for 400$). I just cannot comprehend how the 2019 790 duke won against the 2019 Str. Triple R!
they're very biased how can a bike with smooth rounded lines look dated to a KTM that doesn't even look like finished at all. I own neither, but I just can't see it. the triumph looks way more refined. not to mention KTM's quality is shit. all their bikes look like old school MX bikes. They talk about styling and just mention "i like the orange". nothing about clean lines or anything.
For me I only need the street triple rs with stylema and 6axis imu.I hope they will update it very soon.I think rs suspension and chasis are superior.And the sound of that triple its incomparable.
They will not update soon, because with imu and stylema the price could got really high....
What no lap times from the tracks for each rider on each bike? That would be objective evidence of the capabilities of each bike and rider.
Everything the two speakers offer comes down to "a matter of taste" (subjective). There is no accounting for taste. Styling, feel, appeal of the engine sound, so and so forth . . . .
Lap times at a public track day aren't worth anything. No clear track for complete laps. For the times to be valid, both bike's laps would need to be in identical conditions, which is impossible at a track day.
@@EvansBrasfieldMotojournalist Thanks for the reply.
I assume the costs would be prohibitive to rent a track for a few hours (or a day) to tests bikes which you are seeking to compare; so that you can get some objective data to help decide which bike gets around the track better.
Farwalker2u Unfortunately, renting a track is prohibitively expensive.
KTM 790 or an 890 was on my list as my next bike, but after reading about the reliability problems, and there are lots, I'll think I'll go for a Triumph.
Longtime biker looking at these. Attracted to the fun and torque of the KTM. More seriously considering the reliability, refinement and rep of the Triumph. While KTM seems like the best bike of 2020, quality, reliability and support seem lacking when you visit the forums.
Such a contradictory review. “We can’t tell the difference in brakes” “the breaks on the KTM are on a different level!”. “KTM is $800 cheaper” but fail to mention you need to pay extra for QS and riding modes?!?
Ktm sponsored
Biased as usual
and quick shifter
How was the ground clearance at the track on the 890r? @motorcycle.com
Eg did you scrape the pegs whilst cornering?
Ground?? Lol
You mean lean angle?
STEVE W-K typo, thanks for pointing it out Steve. Corrected now.
Neo Smith Yes, I’m curious if the pegs were touching the ground whilst cornering.
Street triple rs is the best looking bike... ♥
Why anyone cares so much about smoothness of the quick shifter @ low rpms? Can't you use the clutch as it always been? Doesn't seem too much of a deal to me...
Maybe I'm just envious that my bike doesn't have one I guess.
Andrea Gelli i agree with you. But then again i also like driving manual cars as opposed to automatic
I'd still like to know the "easy remedy" in the software--like is it program adjustable? I dont think it is that bad--just not "buttery".
Put a quickshifter on any bike, factory or aftermarket, and the duration has to be calibrated to function with the setup currently on the bike. If it doesn't cut long enough, there will be some drag from gear to gear. If it cuts too long, there will be no resistance in the gearsets but there will be abruptness in the "feel" between shifts to the rider. It's a fine balance. When a transmission and clutch system break in, things also change. Gears mate their metal surfaces together over time, clutch plates wear a bit from the start, shift shaft/fork will change microscopically. If KTM has an updated ECU flash for better QS calibration, the behavior will hopefully be much improved.
You can put a upshift QS on any bike. Only throttle-by-wire bikes can have up/down shift, because a servo controls the engine throttle/rpm.
Ryan I thought you said the Str RS was nicer on the street in the beginning?
Which one do you recommend..used 2018 street triple or used 2018 Z900
Is the 890 duke taillight seriously part of the fender?? Do they have aftermarket accessories to remedy that?
The KTM probably is better, after all it is a newer bike. If only it was not so ugly, the Triumph is so much more elegant and will stay so for a long time. The KTM has one of those designs which will feel dated very soon.
Great comparison video!
Bought the RS, didnt really liked the plastic-mountain-hump between the legs. with the "rider" mode, you can adjust settings to your liking for abs/tractioncontroll/trottle response.
Awesome Review👍
Triumph by a hair that 3cyl soundtrack is just incredible ♥️
As someone who will never begin to approach what either one is capable of and who understands both bikes are MORE than enough for the street, I'll take the triple soundtrack please.
With my heart I would get the Triumph, the looks, the sound of the engine, the heritage. With my brain I would get the KTM, the handling, the torque/power curve and the price. I just bought an S1000RR, but I think that I would have been better serviced with a lighter and less powerful bike like this, especially since I am not doing any track days.
Hi guys,
I realy like your vids from motorcycle.com. You are doing really great job ! Can You tell me one thing about Duke 890 R please. Could You recommend it as a daily bike ? I have my Yamaha R6 and I would like to buy fun and more comfortable bike now which I can ride nearly every day :) R6 is awesome but for me it is like a bike for sunny weekends or for a track riding. Thanks a lot for Your response. Looking forward to Your next vid ! Lucas
Lukáš Kubát, I sold my R6 for then 790 Duke. The 890 should be good as a daily rider, too. Just set the suspension to your preferred commuter settings and enjoy.
Thank You Evans. So You dont regret Your decision to take Duke 790 instead of R6? You enjoy more fun with KTM right? I saw a lot of tests and read many articles about 790, 890 and 1290 Duke. And from all of that Duke 890 seems to be the best solution I think. More comfortable than R6, more torgue power but still sporty naked bike... Thx a lot 🙏
Lukáš Kubát, I’m quite happy with my 790 instead of the R6.
These Triumph's have become a dime a dozen. There are so many of them here in the NJ/NY State area. Nice bike I'm sure but it's jump the shark.
I mean. Throw a mv Agusta style headlight on and it's different. ..... I think the reason why you aren't seeing sporty bikes with fancy colorchange paint jobs etc too often is all... Well. I don't want my bike to be too obviously unique. No officer, that was not me!
Awesome review 👍🏾💯👍🏾💯👍🏾💯👍🏾💯🇯🇲
Once you test the bikes, the cornering capacity, aggressive torque and the sharp stability and precision of the KTM makes me bleed orange... KTM for me!
Every comparison review I have seen on TH-cam so far has picked the KTM. Even the British ones which says something.
Nice 👍 compare.
I need a practical middleweight Naked bike, where I will carve corners in canyon and ride on the highway and commute in the city.
The street triples are great bikes, but the KTM is the clear winner here. The technology alone in the KTM stomps the triple. The KTM has more power across the range, far better TC and ABS system, better brakes, better suspension, more customizable ride settings, more technologically advanced display system, available cruise control, cheaper...the list goes on and on. The triple is awesome, but its dated when compared to the 890 Duke R.
Both of these bikes are on my shortlist and Ive ridden both. All that said its still a tough decision, the Triumph is such a nice ride, the KTM is a mad man. I'm going to get one of them in the next few weeks, right now I'm leaning towards the KTM. But the more I watch these videos, the more I remember how great the triple is...ugh if the triple only had cruise control...
The problem is you have to pay extra for all of the electronic trickery on the KTM......and I am still dubious of it's reliability.
Great video, keep it up ! i wish they had better rider on the track tho, to give us real feedback, those two are good reviewers but i cant say the same for their track riding.
I can’t speak to the KTM 890 but it is super easy to power wheelie out of the corner in second gear on the triumph. Love my Triumph!
which is better for long rides?
Everything look so cheap on the ktm, that’s the first thing that got me when I sat on it. I got a Striple for that reason. Without even getting it out the door, I knew that striple was better
How come you don't get the led indicators as standard in the USA?
Dumb laws.
It's a shame we don't have the bigs displacement KTM here in Brazil.
Well both are for sure nice riding bikes, BUT I would still choose what pleases my eyes.
I do not like the new headlights of the triumph, but the KTM hurts my eyes in every aspect :D
The KTM sounds good, but the triumph gives me goosebumps...