Satan has access to the 1st and 2nd heaven which is the atmopshere of earth and space, the 3rd heaven which is were GODS throne and at his feet is a sea of glass which seperates the 3rd heaven from the 2nd and 1st. So satan can talk to GOD through that sea of glass but cannot enter in to the 3rd heaven.
@@nicolaypastore Sorry for late reply i dont get notifications: First Heaven is the air above the earth Gen 1:20. Second Heaven is space Gen 1:14. Third Hevan is Gods Throne were Paul was caught up to 2Co 12:2.
@@naegleriafowleri2230 Satan is not an archangel their is only one who is ever referred to as an archangel that’s Michael. Satan is a Cherub the anointed Cherub he was basically Gods crow on his throne before he sinned. Satan can go before gods throne but it’s under the sea of glass he cannot pass it. He is not permitted to be in the third heaven but only the second and first there are only three heavens which represents God perfectly. Also the highest heaven ever spoken of was three nothing else’s about a fourth and etc in the Bible the cannon bible not the supposed other books.
Before Jesus sacrifice and atonement for sin, the devil could enter heaven but not after his death and resurrection. Remember in the book of Hebrews, Jesus sprinkled his blood in heaven to cleanse and remove all evil. The book of revelations states that sin, nothing that defiles or makes a lie can enter the kingdom of heaven. So not anymore. There is no fellowship between light and darkness. Yes, Satan can still accuse us but he doesn't have to be in heaven also known as the third heaven, to do that, this can happen from the second heaven.
No Satan is not allowed into heaven no more God sat down one and raises up another God Jesus went up Satan went down bottom line go and give you power over the devil so what that means you don't have to even go he don't even have to get permission to get access to do you something and go and say I gave you power over him some stuff in the Bible with Rick in in a long time ago way before Jesus ascended you know Jesus say now I got all power when he rose he rose up without not some power all power
Obviously spirit beings can communicate with each other without humans knowing it. Job and his family (sons of God) were offering to God on earth and satan showed up (Job 1:1-7). There's NO indication in the text this scene was in Heaven. Satan even says he's been roaming the earth. Good grief! Pastor please revise your understanding according to context of Scripture.
How can satan still be allowed in heaven after Christ conqered him "col 2:13-15 also the 70 disiples were commisioned and they rejoiced that satan was was subject to His Name? 1jn.3:9 Jesus destoyed the works of the devil.Again in Lk's. gospel "i saw satan fall like lighting to the earth" .In context of surrounding verees. Are demons before the throne of God accusing the saints NOW? Satan who is not omni present, how could he acusse all believers who sin before the throne of God are the demons along with him before the throne? The reason I'm posing these questions is because I can't see how the blood lf Jesus when He presented Himself in the presence of God that satan could stil have access before God. I hope I didn't come off mean spirited. God bless
So the book of Job is the oldest book in the bible, dated before the creation of Adam in Eden as satan still had access into Gods presence. The devil was thrown out of heaven shortly after the fall of man...i.e. he cant come crawling back into God presence after Michael threw Him out.(this is logical) Jesus destroyed the devils works and his days are now numbered. There is also no sin in Gods presence. True believers have no sin because of Christ as He represents us before the Father as Holy and righteous. The devil is the accuser of the brethern, he comes to condemn You with sin. he does not go before God to accuse anyone before Him regarding sin because Jesus is in the holy of holies and destroyed his works. I dont know where this Pastor gets His doctrine from, buts it needs revision.
so does yours. satan was god's employee, god had to create mischief but can't do it himself and got satan to do it for him. anyway, i digress: if you weren't aware here are the tenets of the satanist temple, i'd be interested to know which ones you DISAGREE with: I One should strive to act with compassion and empathy toward all creatures in accordance with reason. II The struggle for justice is an ongoing and necessary pursuit that should prevail over laws and institutions. III One’s body is inviolable, subject to one’s own will alone. IV The freedoms of others should be respected, including the freedom to offend. To willfully and unjustly encroach upon the freedoms of another is to forgo one's own. V Beliefs should conform to one's best scientific understanding of the world. One should take care never to distort scientific facts to fit one's beliefs. VI People are fallible. If one makes a mistake, one should do one's best to rectify it and resolve any harm that might have been caused. VII Every tenet is a guiding principle designed to inspire nobility in action and thought. The spirit of compassion, wisdom, and justice should always prevail over the written or spoken word i'm atheist by the way, so satan is as much fantasy as god, but you have to admit the satanists have a pretty good philosophy there, no?
@@ArcherDrake287 I see Gen 1:27 God created man, male and female, then in Gen 2 God takes a man (whom is called Adam) and places Him into the garden of Eden. Here Adam is put to sleep where Eve is then created. (Another female) I wander who the other "them" male and female (plural) in Gen 1:27 are...they were kept in the world whereas Adam was formed in the world and only later placed into Eden where Eve was formed in the garden of Eden to be with Adam as a helper. Cain also new His wife, where did she come from because Adam only had two sons...
As believers we need to take responsibility of our actions. And not blame it on some character made up in the NT. Scripture is clear belief in the Father and obedience. If not he will cut us off. If we obey he will be our El and we will be his people. But each one is enticed when he is drawn away by his own desires and trapped. 15Then, when desire has conceived, it gives birth to sin. And sin, when it has been accomplished, brings forth death.
I believe that Satan was once in the Throne Room of the Father, that sacred and holy place where he was leader of worship. When he was kicked out, he could never enter again because sin had entered his heart. I don't think we can't enter the Throne Room because God can't be in the presence of our sin, but we would incinerate and be destroyed in his presence. This is why once we receive the covering atonement of Jesus's blood we can BOLDLY enter into the the Father's presence and cry 'ABBA FATHER' which means Daddy. So when Satan was discussing sifting us humans, he talks to the manifestation of God The Father....the WORD, Jesus. The Father is an entity, everywhere and without form....so it is Jesus who represents the Godhead in a form manifestation, or like the Old Testament says, 'The Angel of the Lord"....the bodiment of God. After Jesus's body left, The Holy Spirit dwells with us here and now (The Comforter), not The Father ..they are all one and the same, but not the same...different beings but one God, if you can wrap your head around that lol:)
This is so amazing to read about. In this scripture though “No one has seen God at any time; the only begotten God who is in the bosom of the Father, He has explained Him.” Meaning nobody has ever seen God, only the manifestation of God through his Son Jesus which is also God. So Satan was having a conversation through the Son to the Father. Since nobody has ever seen The Father God. God the Father is without form, yet he sits on his thrown in Heaven with his Son at his right side. That’s what confuses me.
@@nicolaypastore Jesus is at the "right side or right hand" of the Father in authority. i understand you may think the invisible God is on one throne & Jesus is on another on the right side... but that refers to authority. as in "right hand man" Ephesians 1:19-23 And what is the exceeding greatness of his power to us-ward who believe, according to the working of his mighty power, Which he wrought in Christ, when he raised him from the dead, and set him at his own right hand in the heavenly places, Far above all principality, and power, and might, and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this world, but also in that which is to come: And hath put all things under his feet, and gave him to be the head over all things to the church, Which is his body, the fulness of him that filleth all in all. hope that helps, bless you.
@@nicolaypastore Jesus didn’t exist before his birth or fertilization He is the beginning of this age and the beginning of the new age the new heavens and earth Genesis 3:14 So the Lord God said to the serpent, “Because you have done this, “Cursed are you above all livestock and all wild animals! You will crawl on your belly and you will eat dust all the days of your life. 15And I will put enmity between you and the woman, and between your offspring a and hers; he will crush your head, and you will strike his heel.” This is the moment jesus was talked about before the ages before the foundations of the kingdoms John 17:24 Father, I desire that they also, whom You have given Me, be with Me where I am, so that they may see My glory which You have given Me, for You loved Me before the foundation of the world. Titus 1:2 In hope of eternal life, which God, who cannot lie, promised before the ages began; Christ is the foreknowledge God Gave through The whole Old Testament it is a representation of Jesus through visions, prophecy, rituals etc Doesn’t mean he pre- existed before his birth 1 Corinthians 10:4 And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ. Number 21:8-9 The Lord said to Moses, “Make a snake and put it up on a pole; anyone who is bitten can look at it and live.” 9 So Moses made a bronze snake and put it up on a pole. Then when anyone was bitten by a snake and looked at the bronze snake, they lived. Exudes 33:19 And the Lord said, “I will cause all my goodness to pass in front of you, and I will proclaim my name, the Lord, in your presence. I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion. 20But,” he said, “you cannot see my face, for no one may see me and live.” And in Exudes 33:19-20 we know Was a representation of Jesus coming 2 Corinthians 4:6 For God, who said, “Let light shine out of darkness,” made his light shine in our hearts to give us the light of the knowledge of God’s glory displayed in the face of Chrisrt. So this is why Daniel in a vision said I saw one like the son of man coming with the clouds of heaven. He approached the Ancient of Days and was led into His presence. Daniel 7:1 Daniel had a dream, and visions passed through his mind as he was lying in bed. He wrote down the substance of his dream. Daniel 7:13 In my vision in the night I continued to watch, and I saw One like the Son of Man coming with the clouds of heaven. He approached the Ancient of Days and was led into His presence. Psalms 89:27 “I also shall make him My firstborn, The highest of the kings of the earth. Romans 8:29 For those whom He foreknew, He also predestined to become conformed to the image of His Son, so that He would be the firstborn among many brethren; Colossians 1:18 And He is the head of the body, the church. He is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, that in all things He might have the preeminence.
@@nicolaypastore Jesus seen God because he was holy with out holiness you can’t see God. Hebrews 10:14-17 Make every effort to live in peace with everyone and to be holy; without holiness no one will see the Lord. Jesus was able to do that through love because love fulfills the commandment. 1 John 4:12 No one has ever seen God; but if we love one another, God lives in us and his love is made complete in us. 1 John 4:16 God is love. Whoever lives in love lives in God, and God in them. Romans 13:8-10 Let no debt remain outstanding, except the continuing debt to love one another, for whoever loves others has fulfilled the law. 9 The commandments, “You shall not commit adultery,” “You shall not murder,” “You shall not steal,” “You shall not covet,” and whatever other command there may be, are summed up in this one command: “Love your neighbor as yourself.” 10 Love does no harm to a neighbor. Therefore love is the fulfillment of the law.
“And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him. And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.” Revelation 12:9-10 KJV I’m not really sure because it says in the last part that Satan accuses us day and night. Meaning that he accuses us of the sins we have committed before God, but does this mean he can still enter heaven?
True yes but why? God wouldn’t allow a non believer in heaven but the devil the main influence behind the fall of man! child rape! Child murder! EVERY sadistic horrific sickening idea man can fathom, every moment of those unbearable painful seconds that have been brought upon the innocent the “devil” and his friends were dancing around mocking god and his love for them was aloud in the presence of God? All for a little lesson in faith?
@@timwest5512 I know your reply was 2 months ago but I totally agree I cannot see how god would even let him speak to him, but to get permission to harm us is absolutely crazy to me I can’t believe it.
@@AmazingAmoy Please capitalize the G in God when you talk about the Almighty God. Anyways, I don’t think Satan was literally face to face with God in Heaven but he spoke to God through the manifestation of Jesus most likely. Gods throne is on a higher level in Heaven which Satan cannot enter.
@@nicolaypastore Thank you so much Nicolay for your explanation he lead me to figure that out right after i watched/ wrote this because i know it couldnt of been true it made no sense thats why i said i cannot believe that.. it was an accident writing the ( g ) in lower case but hes my God just as much as yours. i have my own REAL relationship with GOD so it doesnt insult me that you're trying to make a big deal over a letter. i think how extra you guys can be at times rubs people the wrong way to want to distance themselves beacuse you guys act like you're him with your perfection .. he doesnt choose "perfect" people lets Remember this.
@@AmazingAmoy I’m not trying to insult you. I was correcting you and yes it’s a very big deal if you are talking about The Lord. I don’t play with God and you may not think of him as a big deal but I do. All praise to Almighty God!
I find it contradictory to other teaching. When Moses was in the presence of God, it was considered holy ground and had to remove his sandals. So we are to believe the devil can visit heaven? The King James version of scripture has been translated and over 30,000 revisions made. I believe this could have been a metaphor and misinterpreted. I have a hard time believing God would allow the devil (not capitalize on purpose) to visit heaven. We have had enough of him here on earth. Please understand Hebrews and Jesus (who spoke Aramaic) used metaphors to communicate and difficult to translate to English. Perhaps we should ask a Rabbi who probably has access to the original text. Anyway, the monster should stay in hell and leave us alone.
The word sin means that you missed the mark it is not an offence to god! I am so weary of people representing God as this vengeful being Satan and God are not separate Nothing and none of us are separate from God So many ministers making up so many different stories and versions. All you need to remember is that the kingdom is within you not without
Well if you remember as Angels have no free will they can't rebel and in the story of Job Satan is God's favourite angel. Satan was created to tempt human's and even Christians acknowledge that Satan continues to fulfill his prime directive temptation. If God and Satan were on the outs why does Satan continue to to fulfill his function. Usually when you leave your job you stop doing it. Everyone recognizes that that he's still top of his game. Maybe people don't like getting caught.
@@sakellarioudimitris7439 “For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the powers, against the world forces of this darkness, against the spiritual forces of wickedness in the heavenly places.” Ephesians 6:12 I believe he has access to certain parts of Heaven. He prowls around earth like a roaring Lion seeking to devour someone. He is under some kind of legal agreement where he can go into ‘Heavenly places’ but doesn’t have access to Gods throne room in the highest level of Heaven.
@@nicolaypastore not sure how your scripture says "heavenly places" but it's "High places".... referring to The devil, Many leaders within the governments that's in cults, demons etc. not referring to heaven. Ephesians 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places. notice "rulers of the darkness of this world" & "high places" meaning the devil or men of power ... like bill gates, the pope etc...
I think Ha Satan can enter into the courts before The Throne. But the advisory is not EVIL. EVIL man and any of the FALLEN ALREADY JUDGED, straight up turned from The Most High put his middle finger in the air towards HIM and of ITS own FREE WILL CHOOSES ENMITY WITH THE ALMIGHTY....anyone that chooses against instead of or doesn't choose either or ...... WILL NEVER ENTER ANY WHERE NEAR THE MOST HOLY RIGHTEOUS CREATOR! Because that's what THEY CHOOSE! And since HIStory began at the dawn of all of creation, FREE WILL HAS BEEN GIVEN............ SOOOO!!!!!! CHOOSE YOU THIS DAY WHOM YOU SHALL FOLLOW.. AS FOR ME AND MY HOUSE we choose to FOLLOW THE LORD JESUS........ Therefore WE can boldly go before HIS throne AMEN SHALOM
Let us make man in our own image and likeness, nehold tjan has become like one of us knowing good and evil, God is both good and evil, eternal living witth good and evil replicates God's devine nature, this state of persona with etermal life, can not be attributed to the life of fallen humans. Thate devine stated I AM THAT I AM, meaning God can be whatever he wasnts to be, man cannot have this nature ever !!!!
Matthew 5:32 But I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery.
satan cannot enter heaven anymore. He accuses us who can. He is cut down and has no judging auth, he must be chased off based on new things,NOT FORMER THINGS, people insult JESUS ,he paid for every debt and ones saying satan has rights say JESUS FAILED,
No satan is not allwowespd to heaven bc he wants toys die and he didint do nothing to us only jezus did something to us he didint want to later be in the kross
The spirit showed me he carried himself god and tail (Satan) struck Job, "god" says to satan, "Why did you tempt me to turn my hand against Job? other end of the same spirit To exist in a consciousness when you don't want any other consciousness flowing through you like a medium... you could really only know just yourself if another consciousness isn't in you, but when it's all over the planet how do you get out of it? How do you think no thoughts when they do and you can't block them out, though for them most part you try to ignore then, the best people resist spirits by not following their every prompting and thought in their aim to live their life through you, your a card they want to drive they don't care much for the driver, they try to wear people out so they have control, those that don't even know their full of a spirit is fully driven. Spirits abuse people to to try and bash a psyche out, if done wants to die every day the brain will make a new psyche and start to scrap the old out with neural garbage, the brain makes me brain cells and if the new learn something from the old before they die then that knowledge gets fired and is retained. It's like insisting a new version of windows. That can happen several times in a life, a flower with the wraps of petals kisses each layer and it keeps making new ones. A banana plant in a pot send up a shoot, the old plant dies the little one grows to the same size of the former, then another shoot comes up and the other plants dies, in the same pot of dirt there were three banana plants. The earth is a place where spirits come to to get their mind out, it just sucks to perceive them and witness their mind when you just want the absence of a spirit or spiritual thoughts around you. You can't shut up or block out sometime else's mind, but if you just sit and stare trying to chill their thoughts they still send out to people Its spiritual intrusion, when can you finally not know them? When you're dead. It sucks to exist in it, the whole thing needs to burn, whether it calls itself god then Satan then jesus then Lucifer then daviti, then allah, the real good good of the other universes are going to burn this piece of shtt and laugh at all the religions it made saying to it, let them deliver you, maggots (bad people) weren't able to cover you either This spirit down here has come to murder rape steal and destroy, cannot provide, is full of all fraud and maliciousness, the whole spirit is a parasite, this crappy spirit is all over this country and south America there it's Cortana and El diabolos The best people are those who resist spirits, the spirit told me after he harassed jesus into his brain making a new psyche and scraping out the old that wanted to die and got him nailed to a cross, there was nothing here could do after three days anyway, they got a puppy dog crucified and went on to ruining more lives and launched a Holocaust even after doing one in the heavens there here on trial for trying to hide behind humans, sucks to know the devil, just call if a bastard and remind it it's going to hell soon, but don't actually say that stuff out of your mouth, act normal in the midst of the largest piece of sht any universe ever had to put up with
For those to lazy to read their Bible, Yes (the book of job, look it up, it's in the part that only applies when you want it to, aka the old testament.)
what about it, god has a bet with satan, satan really messes with jobs life, god couldn't give a mokeys, i can't even remember who won the bet, mythology, for the love of mike it's all made up stuff.
@@HarryNicNicholas i agree. It's just mythology but not everyone agrees and it's irritating when someone discriminates against you because you 'deny the truth.'. I've literally lost two jobs because they found out I wasn't part of their cult.
YA GOT STOP EXUALTING HIM, he tried to knock JESUS off his throne, he owes a debt he cannot pay and he exalts himself and he has to be put in his place,.
No he doesn’t have access to Heaven. When the sons of God presented themselves and Satan came also that was not taking place in Heaven. Sons of God are men...
Sons of god are elohim.....so ya they are the anunakis. So good point they are humans..the son elohim present themselves in front of yawhee....that it mean yawhe is human like us
God is very complex, but yet Simple
I love this channel’s blunt, terse responses.
Hi Dr. Philpot ! Great stuff
Satan has access to the 1st and 2nd heaven which is the atmopshere of earth and space, the 3rd heaven which is were GODS throne and at his feet is a sea of glass which seperates the 3rd heaven from the 2nd and 1st. So satan can talk to GOD through that sea of glass but cannot enter in to the 3rd heaven.
Very interesting where can I read this at? I would love to know about this. So there are 3 levels of Heaven?
@@nicolaypastore Sorry for late reply i dont get notifications: First Heaven is the air above the earth Gen 1:20. Second Heaven is space Gen 1:14. Third Hevan is Gods Throne were Paul was caught up to 2Co 12:2.
@@terrillclark6486 i dont think be only 3 heavens..is more
What does this mean though? he is allowed access as tho he was cast out, he is still an archangel and a child of god.
@@naegleriafowleri2230 Satan is not an archangel their is only one who is ever referred to as an archangel that’s Michael. Satan is a Cherub the anointed Cherub he was basically Gods crow on his throne before he sinned. Satan can go before gods throne but it’s under the sea of glass he cannot pass it. He is not permitted to be in the third heaven but only the second and first there are only three heavens which represents God perfectly. Also the highest heaven ever spoken of was three nothing else’s about a fourth and etc in the Bible the cannon bible not the supposed other books.
Before Jesus sacrifice and atonement for sin, the devil could enter heaven but not after his death and resurrection. Remember in the book of Hebrews, Jesus sprinkled his blood in heaven to cleanse and remove all evil. The book of revelations states that sin, nothing that defiles or makes a lie can enter the kingdom of heaven. So not anymore. There is no fellowship between light and darkness. Yes, Satan can still accuse us but he doesn't have to be in heaven also known as the third heaven, to do that, this can happen from the second heaven.
No Satan is not allowed into heaven no more God sat down one and raises up another God Jesus went up Satan went down bottom line go and give you power over the devil so what that means you don't have to even go he don't even have to get permission to get access to do you something and go and say I gave you power over him some stuff in the Bible with Rick in in a long time ago way before Jesus ascended you know Jesus say now I got all power when he rose he rose up without not some power all power
AMEN, TRUTH!!!!!!!!! people wrongly give satan auth based on former things,
Obviously spirit beings can communicate with each other without humans knowing it. Job and his family (sons of God) were offering to God on earth and satan showed up (Job 1:1-7). There's NO indication in the text this scene was in Heaven. Satan even says he's been roaming the earth. Good grief!
Pastor please revise your understanding according to context of Scripture.
Thank you. People actually think satan has permission to step foot in there
How can satan still be allowed in heaven after Christ conqered him "col 2:13-15 also the 70 disiples were commisioned and they rejoiced that satan was was subject to His Name?
1jn.3:9 Jesus destoyed the works of the devil.Again in Lk's. gospel "i saw satan fall like lighting to the earth" .In context of surrounding verees. Are demons before the throne of God
accusing the saints NOW? Satan who is not omni present, how could he acusse all believers who sin before the throne of God are the demons along with him before the throne?
The reason I'm posing these questions is because I can't see how the blood lf Jesus when He presented Himself in the presence of God that satan could stil have access before God.
I hope I didn't come off mean spirited. God bless
Amen God bless
I would like to know your thoughts on the Andy Stanley book “Irresistible”.
Any book not the Bible, should never be taken consideration of in terms of if it’s truth.
Lot of books twist the Bible into different meanings
@@bigiron7547 No book... Not even your bible.
God bless
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yes he can see the story of job
Satan in Job is the accuser correct?
He lost his access to heaven at the cross. John 12:31-33.
So the book of Job is the oldest book in the bible, dated before the creation of Adam in Eden as satan still had access into Gods presence.
The devil was thrown out of heaven shortly after the fall of man...i.e. he cant come crawling back into God presence after Michael threw Him out.(this is logical)
Jesus destroyed the devils works and his days are now numbered.
There is also no sin in Gods presence. True believers have no sin because of Christ as He represents us before the Father as Holy and righteous.
The devil is the accuser of the brethern, he comes to condemn You with sin. he does not go before God to accuse anyone before Him regarding sin because Jesus is in the holy of holies and destroyed his works.
I dont know where this Pastor gets His doctrine from, buts it needs revision.
so does yours. satan was god's employee, god had to create mischief but can't do it himself and got satan to do it for him. anyway, i digress:
if you weren't aware here are the tenets of the satanist temple, i'd be interested to know which ones you DISAGREE with:
I
One should strive to act with compassion and empathy toward all creatures in accordance with reason.
II
The struggle for justice is an ongoing and necessary pursuit that should prevail over laws and institutions.
III
One’s body is inviolable, subject to one’s own will alone.
IV
The freedoms of others should be respected, including the freedom to offend. To willfully and unjustly encroach upon the freedoms of another is to forgo one's own.
V
Beliefs should conform to one's best scientific understanding of the world. One should take care never to distort scientific facts to fit one's beliefs.
VI
People are fallible. If one makes a mistake, one should do one's best to rectify it and resolve any harm that might have been caused.
VII
Every tenet is a guiding principle designed to inspire nobility in action and thought. The spirit of compassion, wisdom, and justice should always prevail over the written or spoken word
i'm atheist by the way, so satan is as much fantasy as god, but you have to admit the satanists have a pretty good philosophy there, no?
@@HarryNicNicholas Sorry my friend, but You are way beyond lost and need to be saved.
@@HarryNicNicholas Your wrong
lol you telling me Job is older than Adam and Eve that's already wrong. It's clear in the bible that Adam is the first man
@@ArcherDrake287 I see Gen 1:27 God created man, male and female, then in Gen 2 God takes a man (whom is called Adam) and places Him into the garden of Eden. Here Adam is put to sleep where Eve is then created. (Another female)
I wander who the other "them" male and female (plural) in Gen 1:27 are...they were kept in the world whereas Adam was formed in the world and only later placed into Eden where Eve was formed in the garden of Eden to be with Adam as a helper.
Cain also new His wife, where did she come from because Adam only had two sons...
As believers we need to take responsibility of our actions. And not blame it on some character made up in the NT. Scripture is clear belief in the Father and obedience. If not he will cut us off. If we obey he will be our El and we will be his people.
But each one is enticed when he is drawn away by his own desires and trapped.
15Then, when desire has conceived, it gives birth to sin. And sin, when it has been accomplished, brings forth death.
I believe that Satan was once in the Throne Room of the Father, that sacred and holy place where he was leader of worship. When he was kicked out, he could never enter again because sin had entered his heart. I don't think we can't enter the Throne Room because God can't be in the presence of our sin, but we would incinerate and be destroyed in his presence. This is why once we receive the covering atonement of Jesus's blood we can BOLDLY enter into the the Father's presence and cry 'ABBA FATHER' which means Daddy. So when Satan was discussing sifting us humans, he talks to the manifestation of God The Father....the WORD, Jesus. The Father is an entity, everywhere and without form....so it is Jesus who represents the Godhead in a form manifestation, or like the Old Testament says, 'The Angel of the Lord"....the bodiment of God. After Jesus's body left, The Holy Spirit dwells with us here and now (The Comforter), not The Father ..they are all one and the same, but not the same...different beings but one God, if you can wrap your head around that lol:)
This is so amazing to read about. In this scripture though “No one has seen God at any time; the only begotten God who is in the bosom of the Father, He has explained Him.” Meaning nobody has ever seen God, only the manifestation of God through his Son Jesus which is also God. So Satan was having a conversation through the Son to the Father. Since nobody has ever seen The Father God. God the Father is without form, yet he sits on his thrown in Heaven with his Son at his right side. That’s what confuses me.
@@nicolaypastore Jesus is at the "right side or right hand" of the Father in authority.
i understand you may think the invisible God is on one throne & Jesus is on another on the right side... but that refers to authority.
as in "right hand man"
Ephesians 1:19-23 And what is the exceeding greatness of his power to us-ward who believe, according to the working of his mighty power,
Which he wrought in Christ, when he raised him from the dead, and set him at his own right hand in the heavenly places,
Far above all principality, and power, and might, and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this world, but also in that which is to come:
And hath put all things under his feet, and gave him to be the head over all things to the church,
Which is his body, the fulness of him that filleth all in all.
hope that helps, bless you.
@@nicolaypastore
Jesus didn’t exist before his birth or fertilization He is the beginning of this age and the beginning of the new age the new heavens and earth
Genesis 3:14
So the Lord God said to the serpent, “Because you have done this,
“Cursed are you above all livestock
and all wild animals!
You will crawl on your belly
and you will eat dust
all the days of your life.
15And I will put enmity
between you and the woman,
and between your offspring a and hers;
he will crush your head,
and you will strike his heel.”
This is the moment jesus was talked about before the ages before the foundations of the kingdoms
John 17:24
Father, I desire that they also, whom You have given Me, be with Me where I am, so that they may see My glory which You have given Me, for You loved Me before the foundation of the world.
Titus 1:2
In hope of eternal life, which God, who cannot lie, promised before the ages began;
Christ is the foreknowledge God
Gave through The whole Old Testament it is a representation of Jesus through visions, prophecy, rituals etc
Doesn’t mean he pre- existed before his birth
1 Corinthians 10:4
And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.
Number 21:8-9
The Lord said to Moses, “Make a snake and put it up on a pole; anyone who is bitten can look at it and live.” 9 So Moses made a bronze snake and put it up on a pole. Then when anyone was bitten by a snake and looked at the bronze snake, they lived.
Exudes 33:19
And the Lord said, “I will cause all my goodness to pass in front of you, and I will proclaim my name, the Lord, in your presence. I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion. 20But,” he said, “you cannot see my face, for no one may see me and live.”
And in Exudes 33:19-20 we know
Was a representation of Jesus coming
2 Corinthians 4:6
For God, who said, “Let light shine out of darkness,” made his light shine in our hearts to give us the light of the knowledge of God’s glory displayed in the face of Chrisrt.
So this is why Daniel in a vision said I saw one like the son of man coming with the clouds of heaven.
He approached the Ancient of Days
and was led into His presence.
Daniel 7:1
Daniel had a dream, and visions passed through his mind as he was lying in bed. He wrote down the substance of his dream.
Daniel 7:13
In my vision in the night I continued to watch,
and I saw One like the Son of Man
coming with the clouds of heaven.
He approached the Ancient of Days
and was led into His presence.
Psalms 89:27
“I also shall make him My firstborn,
The highest of the kings of the earth.
Romans 8:29
For those whom He foreknew, He also predestined to become conformed to the image of His Son, so that He would be the firstborn among many brethren;
Colossians 1:18
And He is the head of the body, the church. He is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, that in all things He might have the preeminence.
@@nicolaypastore
Jesus seen God because he was holy with out holiness you can’t see God.
Hebrews 10:14-17
Make every effort to live in peace with everyone and to be holy; without holiness no one will see the Lord.
Jesus was able to do that through love because love fulfills the commandment.
1 John 4:12
No one has ever seen God; but if we love one another, God lives in us and his love is made complete in us.
1 John 4:16
God is love. Whoever lives in love lives in God, and God in them.
Romans 13:8-10
Let no debt remain outstanding, except the continuing debt to love one another, for whoever loves others has fulfilled the law. 9 The commandments, “You shall not commit adultery,” “You shall not murder,” “You shall not steal,” “You shall not covet,” and whatever other command there may be, are summed up in this one command: “Love your neighbor as yourself.” 10 Love does no harm to a neighbor. Therefore love is the fulfillment of the law.
1 awnser JOB
“And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him. And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.”
Revelation 12:9-10 KJV
I’m not really sure because it says in the last part that Satan accuses us day and night. Meaning that he accuses us of the sins we have committed before God, but does this mean he can still enter heaven?
How else could he accuse?
Satan lives WHERE NOW???
Ephesians 6:12. Satan roams the earth until the 2nd comin of Christ
God is everywhere. Satan met with God in Heaven. God can handle it. ☝
True yes but why? God wouldn’t allow a non believer in heaven but the devil the main influence behind the fall of man! child rape! Child murder! EVERY sadistic horrific sickening idea man can fathom, every moment of those unbearable painful seconds that have been brought upon the innocent the “devil” and his friends were dancing around mocking god and his love for them was aloud in the presence of God? All for a little lesson in faith?
@@timwest5512 I know your reply was 2 months ago but I totally agree I cannot see how god would even let him speak to him, but to get permission to harm us is absolutely crazy to me I can’t believe it.
@@AmazingAmoy Please capitalize the G in God when you talk about the Almighty God. Anyways, I don’t think Satan was literally face to face with God in Heaven but he spoke to God through the manifestation of Jesus most likely. Gods throne is on a higher level in Heaven which Satan cannot enter.
@@nicolaypastore Thank you so much Nicolay for your explanation he lead me to figure that out right after i watched/ wrote this because i know it couldnt of been true it made no sense thats why i said i cannot believe that.. it was an accident writing the ( g ) in lower case but hes my God just as much as yours. i have my own REAL relationship with GOD so it doesnt insult me that you're trying to make a big deal over a letter. i think how extra you guys can be at times rubs people the wrong way to want to distance themselves beacuse you guys act like you're him with your perfection .. he doesnt choose "perfect" people lets Remember this.
@@AmazingAmoy I’m not trying to insult you. I was correcting you and yes it’s a very big deal if you are talking about The Lord. I don’t play with God and you may not think of him as a big deal but I do. All praise to Almighty God!
I find it contradictory to other teaching. When Moses was in the presence of God, it was considered holy ground and had to remove his sandals. So we are to believe the devil can visit heaven? The King James version of scripture has been translated and over 30,000 revisions made. I believe this could have been a metaphor and misinterpreted.
I have a hard time believing God would allow the devil (not capitalize on purpose) to visit heaven. We have had enough of him here on earth.
Please understand Hebrews and Jesus (who spoke Aramaic) used metaphors to communicate and difficult to translate to English. Perhaps we should ask a Rabbi who probably has access to the original text. Anyway, the monster should stay in hell and leave us alone.
The word sin means that you missed the mark it is not an offence to god!
I am so weary of people representing God as this vengeful being
Satan and God are not separate
Nothing and none of us are separate from God
So many ministers making up so many different stories and versions. All you need to remember is that the kingdom is within you not without
Well if you remember as Angels have no free will they can't rebel and in the story of Job Satan is God's favourite angel. Satan was created to tempt human's and even Christians acknowledge that Satan continues to fulfill his prime directive temptation. If God and Satan were on the outs why does Satan continue to to fulfill his function. Usually when you leave your job you stop doing it. Everyone recognizes that that he's still top of his game. Maybe people don't like getting caught.
That might not be good for God's complexion...
Not anymore. He's out!
Yeah that's my problems with the devils of Satan.
I can't trust them Snakes around my God#1.
Feed the Snakes to the devil Snake out God.
I don't think he still has access because the new Adam replaced him that is Jesus christ
tho he was cast out, he is still an angel and a child of god
Is it also truth that Satan still lives in the heavenly realms? I read that and I was confused....
Where did you read that?
Ephesians 6:12
@@sakellarioudimitris7439 “For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the powers, against the world forces of this darkness, against the spiritual forces of wickedness in the heavenly places.”
Ephesians 6:12
I believe he has access to certain parts of Heaven. He prowls around earth like a roaring Lion seeking to devour someone. He is under some kind of legal agreement where he can go into ‘Heavenly places’ but doesn’t have access to Gods throne room in the highest level of Heaven.
Hmmmm
@@nicolaypastore not sure how your scripture says "heavenly places" but it's "High places".... referring to The devil, Many leaders within the governments that's in cults, demons etc.
not referring to heaven.
Ephesians 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
notice "rulers of the darkness of this world"
& "high places" meaning the devil or men of power ... like bill gates, the pope etc...
I think Ha Satan can enter into the courts before The Throne. But the advisory is not EVIL. EVIL man and any of the FALLEN ALREADY JUDGED, straight up turned from The Most High put his middle finger in the air towards HIM and of ITS own FREE WILL
CHOOSES ENMITY WITH THE ALMIGHTY....anyone that chooses against instead of or doesn't choose either or ...... WILL NEVER ENTER ANY WHERE NEAR THE MOST HOLY RIGHTEOUS CREATOR! Because that's what THEY CHOOSE! And since HIStory began at the dawn of all of creation, FREE WILL HAS BEEN GIVEN............ SOOOO!!!!!! CHOOSE YOU THIS DAY WHOM YOU SHALL FOLLOW.. AS FOR ME AND MY HOUSE
we choose to FOLLOW THE LORD JESUS........ Therefore WE can boldly go before HIS throne AMEN SHALOM
Let us make man in our own image and likeness, nehold tjan has become like one of us knowing good and evil, God is both good and evil, eternal living witth good and evil replicates God's devine nature, this state of persona with etermal life, can not be attributed to the life of fallen humans. Thate devine stated I AM THAT I AM, meaning God can be whatever he wasnts to be, man cannot have this nature ever !!!!
Jesus is your high priest in heaven making atonement for your sins you think the devil going to be there
Matthew 5:32
But I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery.
He didn’t answer the question
satan cannot enter heaven anymore. He accuses us who can. He is cut down and has no judging auth, he must be chased off based on new things,NOT FORMER THINGS, people insult JESUS ,he paid for every debt and ones saying satan has rights say JESUS FAILED,
No satan is not allwowespd to heaven bc he wants toys die and he didint do nothing to us only jezus did something to us he didint want to later be in the kross
The spirit showed me he carried himself god and tail (Satan) struck Job, "god" says to satan, "Why did you tempt me to turn my hand against Job? other end of the same spirit
To exist in a consciousness when you don't want any other consciousness flowing through you like a medium... you could really only know just yourself if another consciousness isn't in you, but when it's all over the planet how do you get out of it? How do you think no thoughts when they do and you can't block them out, though for them most part you try to ignore then, the best people resist spirits by not following their every prompting and thought in their aim to live their life through you, your a card they want to drive they don't care much for the driver, they try to wear people out so they have control, those that don't even know their full of a spirit is fully driven. Spirits abuse people to to try and bash a psyche out, if done wants to die every day the brain will make a new psyche and start to scrap the old out with neural garbage, the brain makes me brain cells and if the new learn something from the old before they die then that knowledge gets fired and is retained. It's like insisting a new version of windows. That can happen several times in a life, a flower with the wraps of petals kisses each layer and it keeps making new ones. A banana plant in a pot send up a shoot, the old plant dies the little one grows to the same size of the former, then another shoot comes up and the other plants dies, in the same pot of dirt there were three banana plants. The earth is a place where spirits come to to get their mind out, it just sucks to perceive them and witness their mind when you just want the absence of a spirit or spiritual thoughts around you. You can't shut up or block out sometime else's mind, but if you just sit and stare trying to chill their thoughts they still send out to people
Its spiritual intrusion, when can you finally not know them? When you're dead.
It sucks to exist in it, the whole thing needs to burn, whether it calls itself god then Satan then jesus then Lucifer then daviti, then allah, the real good good of the other universes are going to burn this piece of shtt and laugh at all the religions it made saying to it, let them deliver you, maggots (bad people) weren't able to cover you either
This spirit down here has come to murder rape steal and destroy, cannot provide, is full of all fraud and maliciousness, the whole spirit is a parasite, this crappy spirit is all over this country and south America there it's Cortana and El diabolos
The best people are those who resist spirits, the spirit told me after he harassed jesus into his brain making a new psyche and scraping out the old that wanted to die and got him nailed to a cross, there was nothing here could do after three days anyway, they got a puppy dog crucified and went on to ruining more lives and launched a Holocaust even after doing one in the heavens there here on trial for trying to hide behind humans, sucks to know the devil, just call if a bastard and remind it it's going to hell soon, but don't actually say that stuff out of your mouth, act normal in the midst of the largest piece of sht any universe ever had to put up with
Ugh? Jesus is Lord. He came to atone for us. We were defiled.
For those to lazy to read their Bible, Yes (the book of job, look it up, it's in the part that only applies when you want it to, aka the old testament.)
what about it, god has a bet with satan, satan really messes with jobs life, god couldn't give a mokeys, i can't even remember who won the bet, mythology, for the love of mike it's all made up stuff.
@@HarryNicNicholas i agree. It's just mythology but not everyone agrees and it's irritating when someone discriminates against you because you 'deny the truth.'. I've literally lost two jobs because they found out I wasn't part of their cult.
YA GOT STOP EXUALTING HIM, he tried to knock JESUS off his throne, he owes a debt he cannot pay and he exalts himself and he has to be put in his place,.
"And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light."
2 Corinthians 11:14 NIV
🎩⭐️⭐️🥃🥃 Yes Satan could be in heaven because his mother’s there
No he doesn’t have access to Heaven. When the sons of God presented themselves and Satan came also that was not taking place in Heaven. Sons of God are men...
Amen, God bless
Sons of God also refer to the angels.
Sons of god are elohim.....so ya they are the anunakis. So good point they are humans..the son elohim present themselves in front of yawhee....that it mean yawhe is human like us