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You are preaching this out of context taken by bits and pieces. Read the ENTIRE BOOK CAREFULLY AND ASK FOR DECERNMENT! They are fallen angels. That's why God says Noah was perfect in his generations l( genealogy). The sons of God are the fallen angels. That is why God flooded the world and only saved Noah and his family. Reread it.
According to the Bible, the term “sons of God” can apply to humans as well as to angels. In Genesis 6, it applies to humans. This video is 100% spot on.
1 John 3:1, 2 KJV says “we are the sons of God”: “Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew Him not. Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when He shall appear, we shall be like Him; for we shall see Him as He is.” It says this twice in the above passage.
@Matthew209100New Hi Matthew, why do you believe these are heavenly beings in Job 1? ~ Job 1: 3-5; When the days of feasting had completed their cycle, Job would send and CONSECRATE them (Job's sons), rising up early in the morning and offering burnt offerings according to the number of them all; for Job said, “Perhaps my sons have sinned and cursed God in their hearts.” Thus, Job did continually. Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan also came among them. The LORD said to Satan, “From where do you come?” Then Satan answered the LORD and said, “From roaming about on the earth and walking around on it.” (Summary) ~ Job and his sons (Godly men 'sons of God') are 'CONSECRATED', presenting themselves before God with ‘BURNT’ offerings (sin offerings for sanctification, but burnt offerings are complete submission to God). Satan was among them on earth. God asked Satan and he said he was on earth. The next four verses Satan describes Job’s hedge of protection, his blessings and riches etc. Satan has been there with Job. ~ This isn't angels presenting themselves to God in heaven, this is Job on earth, with his sons called ‘sons of God’. Consecrate: to induct a person into permanent office with a religious rite i.e., to ordain the office of Bishop. To make or declare sacred, to devote irrevocably to the worship of God by a solemn ceremony. God Bless and Look UP
You wrote: _"the "Sons of God" are mentioned in the book of Job 1:6 and they are seen as heavenly beings in the verse"_ By writing that, you show that you have never read the book of Job, and that you have no clue about what you're saying.
@@alltimeislikethepresent They don't call them "heavenly beings" in Job, but from the evidence of them being in Gods presence they would have to be. Exodus 33:20; But,” he said, “you cannot see my face, for no one may see me and live.”
@@Matthew209100New Hi Matthew, Godly people 'present themselves before the Lord' all the time, it does not require one to be in heaven, remember God is OMNIPRESENT. ~ 1 Samuel 10:19; “But you have today rejected your God, who delivers you from all your calamities and your distresses; yet you have said, ‘No, but set a king over us!’ Now therefore, 'PRESENT YOURSELVES BEFORE THE LORD' by your tribes and by your clans.” ~ Joshua 24:1; Then Joshua gathered all the tribes of Israel to Shechem and called for the elders of Israel and for their heads and their judges and their officers; and they 'PRESENTED THEMSELVES BEFORE GOD'. ~ Daniel 9:20; "Now while I was speaking and praying, and confessing my sin and the sin of my people Israel, and presenting my supplication 'BEFORE THE LORD' my God in behalf of the holy mountain of my God," Best wishes and God Bless
@@Matthew209100New _"They don't call them "heavenly beings" in Job, but from the evidence of them being in Gods presence they would have to be."_ What do you mean by "being in God's presence"? _"Exodus 33:20; But,” he said, “you cannot see my face, for no one may see me and live.”"_ Where does the book of Job say anything about the sons of God seeing God's face?
How are we to handle Job 1:6, 2:1 and 38:7? The use of sons of God here are clearly about angels? Also, how would we then determine the origin of the nephilim or ‘giants’?
Are the Sons of God some celestial type of being? I would say absolutely! I believe conclusively assuming/interpreting they are angels limits God. Going with interpretation, nowhere in Job does it say the Sons of God were angels. So we still need to go looking before we settle on that. Satan stood in for Adam having defeated him and turned Adam mortal in contrast to his pre-sin-made-in-the-image-of-God. That seems to be something most agree with. If Adam was the rightful son of God. If would make sense that the others could be the first created Steward of God's creations on their own planets. What about 38:7? Should we assume Earth was the first planet created, God probably did not stop creating since before Adam up to Job. Job mentions the Sons of God shouting for joy. I'm going to assume that the punctuation is correct and that this was indeed during the creation of the earth rather than two separate events like the many events God shared declaring His glory. So maybe they are in fact angels?? Or….. As MT1016SheepAmongWolves brought my attention to Hebrews 1. It is (sadly to some) likely that the angels were never referred to as sons of God. Then where in the universe did these other “first created beings” come from?! Maybe time is indeed variable throughout space. Or maybe God might bless us with that answer here or when we get to heaven. I clearly do not have a definitive answer and even if I did, why would you accept it instead of arguing with it considering the video makes a better argument than I do and yet you found something you didn't find an answer for.
I agree with the OP. The Sons of God are clearly not human as referenced in Job. Jesus himself says that no one can look upon God and that no one has seen God but these beings are Sons of God, clearly of his divination. Whether they are angels or not, it remains to be questioned, but his indications in the video as to being human are incorrect. The beings procreated to make GIANTS, their is no resemblance to this type of creation happening anywhere else but this pre flood time era. The fact that he uses the common English translations instead of the original biblical Hebrew shows more of a lack of interest than wanting a full understanding at its core, as the Bible is not an English friendly book. Very few in the Bible have clear communication with God, and we know Abraham had direct communication with Jesus long before his time had come to be sacrifice for our sins. My best argument against this would be, if they were simply humans procreating with humans, then how were their offspring any different than the other generations before them? Why would these specific beings be capable of producing different humans, and why would God need to rid the world of their creations along with everything else in it (besides Noah's tale) if they were simply human. It makes no sense to try and state the beings as man, and they clearly could've just worded it as the Sons of Man instead of the Sons of God.
You are probably right but there is one thing that I need clarification about. Who are these angels who didn't keep their position of authority in Jude 1:6?
The problem with this master class it’s not addressing the elephant in the room. The Bene Elohim, Sons of God. When the Sons of God passage was put into Genesis 6 by Moses, he already had context for Sons of God from the book of Job. Job predates Moses and some believe he was the author. In Job 38 it clearly tells one who the sons of God were. “Where were you when I laid the foundations of the earth? Tell Me, if you have understanding. Who fixed its measurements? Surely you know! Or who stretched a measuring line across it? On what were its foundations set, or who laid its cornerstone, While the morning stars sang together and all the SONS OF GOD shouted for joy? It clearly states that the Sons of God were in heaven at creation. So were the morning stars, angels. (Rev 12:4 angels are stars) It doesn’t call the Sons of God angels, it’s two separate groups and we know man was not even created yet. In Gen 6 Moses figured the reader already knew who the verse was talking about. You can’t read Genesis 4 and 5 into 6 without dealing with the Term Sons of God and the Nephilim. The Nephilim we know who they were because of Numbers. They were giants, they were different than regular men but were men. They were ALL to be destroyed though. Moses, the author again figured everyone knew what he was talking about when inserting Nephilim in verse 6. That is the context for the whole verse, Moses assumed the readers knew what he was talking about. The genealogy.verses before 6 simply show the line of Christ, that’s its purpose. Both 4 and 5 have a flow but when one gets to 6 it upends the previous verses. Something different happened that would lead to the flood. If it was Cain mixing with Seth there Wasent any prohibition with mixing clans anywhere in Gen pre flood. The Bible never says that. It’s not even implied. As a matter of fact Cain had to have had a wife from Adam or Seth. The lines mixed then. See the problem with the master class interpretation. I kept on seeing that angels don’t procreate? other than Jesus saying in Heaven we will be like angels not marrying, there isn’t any other verse that says that and Jesus wasent discussing angles but human marriage. It also doesn’t say what the state of FALLEN angels are like. Jude and Petter explain Jude 1:6 “ And the angels who did not keep their proper domain, but left their own abode, He has reserved in everlasting chains under darkness for the judgment of the great day”. Peter 2:4 God did not spare the angels who sinned, but cast them down to hell and delivered theminto chains of darkness, to be reserved for judgment” Both Petter and Jude figured their readers knew what they were talking about because they were discussing the same thing and that was Gen 6. Where else in the Bible do we have Heavenly creatures leaving there position or place. Needless to say the Bible never Says the Sons of God are Angels. The word Angels simply mean messengers. It became a generic term. It doesn’t tell you what kind of creature it is. Angels can appear as normal men that eat, walk, talk and have body mass. They look just like men. Any heavenly creature can be a messenger but not all creatures are sons of God. Scripture is clear Sons of God are heavenly beings that came down and had relations with the “ DAUGHTERS OF MEN”. not daughters of Cain or Seth but men which is both. Something happened during this period that caused the flood, it wasn’t Cain mixing with Seth it was spiritual. Just a thought, the only place that makes mixing a problem, until Moses era, was in the Garden when God put enmity between the Serpent seed( it has seed) and the woman’s. ( line of Christ) Why did God make the distinction? The narrative seems as though the Sons of God corrupted the human line to Christ hopping to stop his birth. So God destroyed the bad seed during the flood. Moses though says the Nephilim were there after the flood he knows this because he was fighting them. They were to be destroyed, completely. Why them, the nephilim and the Nephilim ancestors? Because they were tall? No, because they carried the seed of something evil, and it wasn’t Cain. At the time of David killing a giant could make or break one’s kingship, Saul was afraid of Goliath because he was unreal and he was big. But it wasn’t cartoonish like some imply. The Nephilim were different creatures and goliath was an ancestor of that line. I feel all the information above makes more sense of Genesis 6.
This is bu far THE best explanation to these verses to me. Thank you! I struggled with the possible idea that "fallen angels" slept with human woman and such, I couldn't wrap my mind around that. So, this makes MUCH more sense. Thank you.
It was fallen angels sleeping with human women. Angel is not a description of biology, it's a job description that can apply to any extraterrestrial being, which is exactly what angels are. Angel as a term is vague. Prior to the creation of mankind, heavenly beings existed. That means that they were not from Earth. And any being not from Earth is automatically an extraterrestrial because they are not from the terrestrial. So, the pre-ademic races of extraterrestrials, which we refer to by their job title of angel, have physical form. This is how when angelic beings, or extraterrestrials, visited Lot in the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah, they ate and drank with him. You can only eat and drink if you have a physical body. They also looked like men. And if you have a physical body in the form of a man you must be able to pee, etc. And if you can pee, then you have male anatomy. And if you have male anatomy, it is possible you can be with a human woman, particularly when you look like a man. And as is written about the serpent (a form of angelic being), he has seed and offspring. So angelic beings have the capability, at least in some cases, of having seed. This video is misleading you 100%.
@@educational4434 messengers can be anything but usually human messengers prophets apostles, even a donkey star constellation, we must consider the next homeless man we step over. In the the past God could be an angel a messenger of the lord, the 3 came to Abraham, who came to Joshua who did Jacob wrestle, work it out, it says messenger, unless you worship the gods
This explanation speaks true to me. I've heard lots of other possibilities but none feel right, this feels correct. I'll have to pray on it. Thanks for this video.
Yeah, But consider this; The relationship between the sons of God and the Daughters of Men resulted into things called Nephilim/giants; This can mean that these relations were not supposed to happen; Due to an incompatible DNA which resulted into un natural beings. Gen 6:4 4The Nephilim were on the earth in those days- and afterward as well - when the sons of God had relations with the daughters of men. And they bore them children who became the mighty men of old, men of renown. Now, If it were that the children of SETH (GODLY) taking for themselves the daughters of Cain (MAN), this was completely compatible DNA, the Nephilim in scripture seem not to suggest spiritual gigantism; but physical structures; The Scripture seems to suggest a relation between two biologies that when crossed, got messed up, biologies that were not supposed to reproduce in each other. So; how do you reconcile this with the explanation in the Video;
Thank you brother, finally someone speaking common sense on this matter, thank you. I have heard many give these annoying and erroneous teachings on this passage. I appreciate it! God bless you
Keep posting these! You give such great explanations and in the process we learn how to better study and interpret the Bible for ourselves. Thank you Chris for this great ministry.
@@lisachambers3683 I believe that as the Spirit leads Chris and teaches him from the Bible, we benefit from what he is learning. I have no doubt the Spirit is working, as you can probably tell from this channel's content. I agree that spiritual things are spiritually discerned. The Spirit can and does teach us as we study the Bible. In my personal experience with the Bible, I find that when I apply some of the principles I have been learning from this channel I can reach new depths in my study of God's word. What I learned from Chris does not take away from my personal study of the Bible but rather enhances it. That said I agree that we should always pray for the Holy Spirit to guide us when we read the Bible.
Brilliant! Like all of us, I had heard all kinds of speculation about this strange chapter 6. Your view is the simplest, clearest and most revealing of all of them, the others seem like science fiction fantasies in comparison. Congratulations.
It's unfortunate that men like Michael Heiser have attracted so many followers to this sci-fi version of God's word. He taught there were like four or five rebellions of the supernatural kind. Apparently they are extremely susceptible to rebelling. There might be more of them rebelling as we speak. Better hide your wife and daughters.
Wow! This is the best explanation I’ve heard for these verses. I’ve watched quite a few videos and read commentary about this but never felt like the interpretation was based on the context of the Bible. I think many people hold to the idea that the Sons of God were angels to explain why there were giants in those days. But Jesus said that in heaven we’d be like the angels that don’t marry. So I’ve always thought it was illogical to think this passage indicates angels having children with people. I really enjoy your videos and always get new insights into to the text that I hadn’t seen before. Thank you!
You're welcome! Glad the video was helpful. :) The giants are part of a "human greatness" theme in these verses that culminates in God's observation that their wickedness was great. In case you're interested, I've written more on this here: fascinatedbytheword.wordpress.com/2015/10/26/true-greatness-part-1
@Carrie Carter the angles of HEAVEN do not marry. So yes that would sound illogical, but these angles were no longer apart of Heaven nor cared about the will of the Father. @Masterpiece Bible did a tremendous job with this video and explanation, but there are a few sources in other areas of the Bible not talked about here. Not even trying to change anyone’s mind or come off as an attack, just wanted to share my thoughts! God bless ma’am!
@@truthbebold4009 Because the Sethith view is wrong. Sadly the author ignores all passages in the Bible where the Sons of God clearly refer to Angel's. Like in the book of Job.
Some times the Sons of God are spiritual being and sometimes it’s referring to men. Luke 3:38 Explains this after going through the lineage. Great explanation! The simplest answer sometimes is always the best.
I’m brand new to this Bible teacher. The first video I watched he said we always always always start with the context. Words have meaning, it’s not for us to bring our view to the text. If a thorough investigation of what everyone who wrote about the subject in the first century believed, The Sethite view did not exist. So much of future context hinges on the supernatural understanding of this passage. Time to do a word study. ie sons of God.
First I watched this video and then the video by Inspiring Philosophy on the the same subject. I was reminded of the truth of Proverbs 18:17 "In a lawsuit the first to speak seems right, until someone comes forward and cross-examines."
Excellent explanation. Now I have a short video to share with others. You missed 1 John 3:1, 2 KJV as an additional prooftext: “Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew Him not. Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when He shall appear, we shall be like Him; for we shall see Him as He is.”
Thank you this is exactly the way God showed it to me and I have had many debates with people over the years that believed that the fallen angels and humans had offspring and it was the line of Seth crossing with the line of cain thank you
This was a helpful video; this is called Perspicuity of the Scripture. You have to use scripture to interpret less clear verses of scripture. When a Bible study leans on an external perspective to understand the Bible (evolution or recent PHD perspectives…) which relies on confusing and non-obvious premises; you’re probably not doing it right.
Right on brother. I’ve been teaching the same thing in my church for years. At one point I even read the whole book of Enoch just to see what it had to say, but clearly the book of Enoch is nothing but Jewish mythology. And if the sons of God were angels, we would expect God to judge the angels as well as man in Genesis 6. In fact, that’s what God did in Genesis, chapter 3, when Satan tempted Eve to sin. The fact that nominal believers living in sin brought judgment should be a warning to the world today. Thanks for putting this post out.
Jude 1:6-7, the apostle Jude also wrote about the angels who sinned, saying, "And the angels who did not stay within their own position of authority, but left their proper dwelling, he has kept in eternal chains under gloomy darkness until the judgment of the great day- just as Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding cities, which likewise indulged in sexual immorality and pursued unnatural desire, serve as an example by undergoing a punishment of eternal fire." (Jude 1:6-7, ESV). This passage suggests that angels are capable of rebelling against God and that God is capable of judging them.
@@inyagi3107 At first I considered this. But on further reflection-Jude doesn’t specifically say the Angels married women. He is just listing examples of rebellion. And the best example is Satan, who rebelled before Genesis chapter 3. I would say that is also when the fallen angels rebelled-see Revelation 12:4.
@@pastorbarnett3049 So why would he reference it immediately after and also reference word for word the book of Enoch in the the same verse ? Also please then explain the birth of the nephilim ..... the giants we see throughout numbers? are you saying to me that 2 humans can produce Giants?
@@TacoSyndicate I don’t see the text giving a clear answer to that question. I also don’t see any textual evidence that requires them to be anything but humans of exceptional stature. This is also suggested by Num 13, which is probably the reason why the LXX translators chose the term in the first place.
@@MasterpieceBible Or Probably we are missing a narrative, See Most us Christians Start with Genesis 1 as the Beginning; Yet Genesis one is the beginning of the Earth and Heavens, Not the Entire WORLD. The Genesis 1 and 2 Accounts are of the Formation/Creation of the Heavens and the Earth. Then John 1 (1-10) Hints us on a summary of the world events before Genesis 1, John 1:10 Asserts the WORLD. and how nothing created was Created without Him. This Delves us into a Much deep and wider insight. John 1:3 3 All THINGS were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. To me, this verse is deep. THING (All THINGS) implies ALL (Angels, Creatures, MAN, The GALAXIES etc.) (I have several suggestions here, but for the sake of the gospel, allow me end there) Think About it and Pray on it for guidance by the Holy Spirit. Stay Blessed.
@@MasterpieceBible Er so you IGNORE the whole reason God took the Israelites out of Egypt, brought them to the promised land where the GIANTS (the ANAKIM) lived to remove them? Where it clearly described that the Israelites were like "ants" to them?
@@ADesertVoice Numbers 13:33 is a false report, presented by the unbelieving spies. It was an exaggeration, and just as true as the statement that God had brought them into the wilderness to kill them and that it was impossible to conquer the promised land. Joshua and Caleb didn’t hold this view.
How can you reconcile this passage of Scripture from Jude with this interpretation? It plainly says "angels" here. Jude 1:6 6 And the angels who did not keep their [c]proper domain, but left their own abode, He has reserved in everlasting chains under darkness for the judgment of the great day
Thank you for taking the time to respond to my comment. And thank you for being detailed and respectful. I may not agree with your interpretation but I respect you for your opinion and and taking the time to defend it. Have a good day and God bless you
Job 38:7 indicates that the “sons of God” are angelic beings “Whereupon were the foundations thereof fastened? Or who laid the corner-stone thereof, When the morning stars sang together, And all the sons of God shouted for joy?” Job 38:6-7
The apostle Peter also says “For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;” 2 Peter 2:4 He was talking about the angelic beings in Genesis 6
@@SeekingAlfalfaAgain, take in context in the 2nd letter Peter wrote. Both in Genesis 6:1 and and Job 1:6 refer to sons of God as angelic beings. So maybe you should take your own advice.
The biggest flaw I see with the sons of God just being wicked powerful rulers or Cain's evil line is what was the point in the Flood when similar people such as Nimrod, Og and Goliath walked the Earth afterwards. Clearly there's something more about this product of the sons of God and daughters of men that caused God to commence the Flood.
Well, if we stick to the text, the reason God sent the Flood was because the wickedness of mankind on the earth had become great and every intent of the thought of their hearts was only evil continually. The issue is the exceeding wickedness of mankind (the same word that's used prior to Gen 6 to designate regular human beings). Of course there were very evil people after the flood as well (and God also held them accountable), but the situation before the flood was so bad that only eight people were willing to go into the ark. Basically evil had overtaken the world almost entirely (which suggests that the Flood was not just an act of justice but also one of mercy that secured the future of mankind). I don't see that kind of situation after the Flood - locally, yes, but not worldwide.
Genesis 6:1-2 NKJV [1] Now it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born to them, [2] that the sons of God saw the daughters of men, that they were beautiful; and they took wives for themselves of all whom they chose. Genesis 6:3-4 NKJV [3] And the Lord said, “My Spirit shall not strive with man forever, for he is indeed flesh; yet his days shall be one hundred and twenty years.” [4] There were giants on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men and they bore children to them. Those were the mighty men who were of old, men of renown. This means the men were possessed with evil spirit meaning the sons of God were fallen angels. Job 1:6 NKJV [6] Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan also came among them.
No you got it wrong - satan is just a mere man! Jokes.. I'm with you brother. Most people are too scared to see the sons of God / the divine council / spiritual beings / sun, moon and starts / powers and authorities, etc in the Bible.. I'm not sure why.. God himself is a spiritual being.. The God over all gods.. Psalm 82.. Look it up Chris ;)
Further, Jesus calls Peter Satan.. Jesus is not saying Peter is from the direct bloodline of Cain.. do you think all Christians/Israelites are from the line of Seth? And all sinners are from the direct bloodline of Cain? That makes no sense.. the whole picture in the Bible is that we choose if we are from the seed of Eve or the seed of the serpant/Cain, etc.. And explain Rev 20:1-3 - is "the dragon, that ancient serpent, who is the devil, or Satan" just a mere man?? 1 And I saw an angel coming down out of heaven, having the key to the Abyss and holding in his hand a great chain. 2 He seized the dragon, that ancient serpent, who is the devil, or Satan, and bound him for a thousand years. 3 He threw him into the Abyss, and locked and sealed it over him, to keep him from deceiving the nations anymore until the thousand years were ended. After that, he must be set free for a short time.
@@PapaBear-k4k Good question. No they definitely aren't the same creatures, but they are both created beings, created by God (God of gods Deut 10:17). I dont believe the bible clarifies how this happened, as that is not the main focus here, but if we think about Jesus' conception we might be able to glean how it could have happened. Isaiah 7:14 talks about a virgin giving birth - how does this happen? Maybe God will make it happen? Matthew 1:18-25 talks about Mary being made pregnant through the Holy Spirit - how does this happen? Since we agree humans and angels (even more so the Holy Spirit) are "not the same kind of creature." Obviously God has some kind of power to make this happen. And the "sons of God" or "angels" also have some kind of this power being his spiritual children/family.
@@landoZA18 Ah, God says 17 times in the creation account that creatures will only reproduce after their own kind, and then some angels said "Bet!" I don't buy it lol
Thank you so much for being able to rightly divide the Word of God. It never ceases to amaze me how many fails to follow a simple story line. Astonishing!!!!!
I agree! I have been teaching that the sons of God are faithful humans who lust after the daughters of man which represents the unsaved people. Just like when Jesus warned believers not to be yoked with unbelievers, 2nd corth 6:14. People believe the sons of God must be supernatural beings because they got wrong idea about the giants. @MasterpieceBible
I think the "sons of God" were humans beings who were faithful to God and God counted on them to live for Him but they disappointed Him by doing what the wicked people on earth did and also by going into them by marrying them without the concerns of God. For example, Noah could also be part of the sons of God who lived differently to please God other than following the stepss of the rest of humans on earth. God had expected his faithful ones who He called His sons to have lived to please Him but did not and rather saw the beatutiful daughter of men, where men here refers to the wicked humans on earth. So in order to distincquish between the humans who please God and the ones who did not, the word "sons of God" was used. For example, both christians and non-christians are all men created by God but the distinction comes in when christians call themselves sons of God because they have come to believe in Jesus and have been born again by the Holy Spirit.
But Again, their Relations resulted into Physical Nephilim, this suggests that these were two biologies that were not supposed to mate. How do you reconcile that?
If they were simply human then why aren’t their offspring simply human? Apologies if you mentioned the Nephilim but it seems you avoided that all together.
I don't see any clear indication in the text that they were not human. "Those were the mighty men who were of old, men of renown" sounds like humans to me. Same with Num 13:33.
@@MasterpieceBible Right, because if you combined any other humans on the planet you wouldn't get "mighty men" offspring. Only combining "good" boys and "bad" girls allows for offspring so mighty they have a special name for them... It just doesn't make any since whatsoever to point out their children being ANY different than any others if they were mere humans.
The genesis 6 passage says “bene Elohim” it means angelic beings. The passages he said about “sons of god” use completely different words. People need to study the word “Elohim”
@@MasterpieceBible The Context of Sons of God is not chapter 4 and 5 but Job 1:6 and and 38:7. Both verses clearly use the term Sons of God and they are with God. Verse 38:7 clearly shows they were there before creation. Most scholars believe Moses is the main writer of Genesis and they believe Job is an older or contemporary book during Moses time. He knew the term Sons of God and he knew his audience knew it.
@@MasterpieceBible . Genesis says the Nephilim were on the earth in those days. So in other words they weren’t around until then. Where did they come from, what caused them? It’s a clear distinction between Nephilim and ordinary men. They were men, but were not ordinary The Nephilim came about because the sons of God went into the daughters of men. Once again, there is a clear distinction between sons of God and daughters of men. The daughters of men are the daughters of all men. That includes Cain and Seth. One more thing, you can’t use the new Testament as context for the sons of God. The writer of Genesis, Moses did not have the New Testament, he probably did know about the book of Job. The book was around then. Also, Paul and Jesus say the sons of God will be revealed at the resurrection Luke 20: 34 and Roman’s 8:18. Men did not have the opportunity to be sons of God or adopted sons until Christ so the new testament cannot be used as context for Gen 6. Once again Job is the context.
What about Enoch?? That is what this pertains to if you research Enoch. I respect anyone who shares The Bible. I just needed to express that this is pertaining to Enoch. The book that was removed from the Bible.
The Book of Enoch teaches that the “Son of Man” is Enoch, not Jesus! How can you rely on it when it teaches a false Messiah? My Messiah is Jesus, not Enoch!
This is the absolute truth! My pastor taught us this , & Like the teacher said why would God punish man for what fallen angels did ?Also angels can’t reproduce they don’t have reproductive systems b/c they’re spiritual beings, great teaching sir !
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR PUTTING THIS TOGETHER SO CLEARLY - AND HOW IT ALL FALLS INTO PLACE. I also believe Jesus holds the key to understanding the text about the 'sons of God' marrying the daughters of men. In John's Gospel chapter 10 verses 34 to 36 (when the Jews threatened to stone Jesus for claiming to be God) ... " Jesus answered them, "Is it not written in your law, 'I have said you are gods'? ...... and goes on to say - "IF HE CALLED THEM 'GODS' TO WHOM THE WORD OF GOD CAME - AND THE SCRIPTURE CANNOT BE BROKEN - what about the one whom the Father set apart on His very own and sent into the world ?" To my mind this absolutely clarifies the whole subject, and I thank God that all we need to know is hidden in His Word.
Wonderful! Someone finally gets it right. I have had a personal Angel encounter and I know that angels can have masculine or feminine attributes but do not have reproductive abilities. They are spirit messagers to bear messages and minister to those who are to receive salvation. They are in full submission to God and are not to be worshiped.
The text doesn't really say. You could interpret the second part of v 4 to mean that at least some of them came from the unions between the sons of God and the daughters of men. The way they are described in Gen 6 as well as in Num 13 suggests that they are also humans.
The offspring of Kings, the immortals, his body guards and trained warriors, bullies stand overs, goliath was a Nephi, Idi amin , Hitler, etc etc, they are still with us and the world is still violent and woke< Putin hopefully not trump.
Godbless you for this presentation, SONS OF GOD" A for years study this matter who were the sons of God. Many a pastors some calvary chapel teach these were angels. I believed vaguely they were the line of Seth. I stumbled on youtude David Daniel of chic publication who I first encountered affirmed my belief that In the line Of Seth were the SONS of God. The SONS of God I now believed is an expression of a relationship with God. In Job there were Angels convening with God. You and the previous author have contributed a much better understanding. Thx. God bless you ministry.
Who are you? I can’t find a name to give credit in my teaching. This reminds me of John Sailhamer’s interpretation. I really appreciate that you point out the parallelism in the passage. That adds strength to the argument.
Thanks for your comment. I have definitely been influenced by Sailhamer in my approach. My name is Chris Vogel. I'm a theologian with a PhD in Old Testament Studies, currently serving in my home country of Germany.
So your saying regular human being built pyramids and where are all the heavy equipment, our society today can't even constuct such structures,ARCH ANGELS ARE POWERFUL, ONE CAN SLEIGH 30 THOUSAND MEN , AND WHEN A FALLEN ANGEL APPROACHED YAHWEH, BEFORE ( JOB 1-2 ) SONS OF GOD IS SLANG FOR ANGELS
Anakiem , OG , GOLIATH..AS THE MUTATION DIED OFF .. A TAINTING FROM ARCH ANGELS IN REBLLION , THE PROFF IS PAGAN NATIONS WORSHIPED THESE REBELLIOUS ANGELS ...
Read your bible in context of the entirity , you may know GOSPEL, you may know about NOAH , BUT FROM BEGINNING UNTIL CHRIST RETURNS , YOUR INTERPRETATION IS A DUMBED DOWN VERSION BECAUSE OF THE AMBIGUITY OF ISSUE , NONETHELESS..CONNECT THE DOTS
I want to point out the Adam is called the "son of God" in Luke 3:38 which that the Genealogy of Adam is the godly line called the "sons of God" as you point in Matthew 5:9 and Romans 8:14.
How did the giants and "mighty men of renown" (sounds like the Greek titans) come about? Was the line of Seth and the line of Cain so genetically incompatible that the offspring would grow into literal giants and titans?
Thanks for your question! The text does not clearly specify the origin of the giants. It simply says that they were on the earth in those days and (possibly) that they were mighty men and men of renown (if "these" in v 4 is referring back to the giants). They are part of a theme of human greatness that begins in v 1 and climaxes in v 5 with God's assessment that the wickedness of man was great.
This passage is clearly talking about fallen angels creating giants. There’s lots of supporting passages throughout the bible. The writers of these biblical books would have viewed the world this way.
@@MasterpieceBible The problem is Moses the Author of Genesis clearly is calling them Giants. They become Men of renown because of their strength and they were respected as warriors. Num clearly calls the Nephilim giants. Whether they were in the towns or not the spies called them Nephilim and that they were huge in stature , not important men. Moses was also the author of numbers. He clearly gives the definition of Nephilim from Gen 6 in Numbers.
If the giants were the exclusive result of inbreeding between angels and women then why does the Septuagint use the same word for the nephilim & mighty men (γίγαντες - giants) in Genesis 6 as it does to describe Nimrod (γίγας - giant) in Genesis 10? We know that Nimrod was not fathered by an angel because he was the great grandson of Noah. Genesis 10:8-9 Cush was the father of Nimrod, who began to be a mighty one on the earth. He was a mighty hunter before the LORD; so it is said, “Like Nimrod, a mighty hunter before the LORD.”
Great video, I love that scripture defines the scripture without wild speculation. I love that you mentioned God's definition of 'sons of God'. ~ Romans 8:14; "For all who are being led by the Spirit of God, these are sons of God." Is there evidence that God's Spirit was leading in Genesis 6? ~ Genesis 6:2-3; ... the ‘sons of God’ saw that the ‘daughters of men’ were beautiful; and they took wives for themselves, whomever they chose. ‘Then’ the LORD said, “My ‘Spirit’ shall not ‘ABIDE’ with ‘MAN’ forever, because he also is flesh; nevertheless, his days shall be one hundred and twenty years.” Why does God immediately proclaim that He is removing His 'Spirit' from ‘MAN’? Because God will not share His glory with another pagan false god. What fellowship has light with darkness? ~ Deuteronomy 7:3-4; "Furthermore, you shall not intermarry with them; you shall not give your daughters to their sons, nor shall you take their daughters for your sons. For they will turn your sons away from following Me to serve other gods; Then the anger of the Lord will be kindled against you, and He will quickly destroy you."
The text doesn't specify who the sons of God in Job are, but it's likely that they are supernatural beings. However, as I tried to show in the video, sonship to God in the Bible (including the Old Testament) is not restricted to supernatural beings. Already Gen 5 implies that Adam is a son of God, later Israel is explicitly called God's son as well as Solomon, to name just a few. And of course the texts in the New Testament. So the Bible itself indicates that sons of God can be humans. So then we have to look at the context and in Gen 6 I believe the context suggests that it refers to humans. In Job, on the other hand, it suggests that it refers to supernatural beings.
@@MasterpieceBible Thank you for responding. this i my understanding too, I think too often people over simplify the themes or perhaps as you point out overlook context. youve taught me a few valuable things, God bless. keep up the good work!
@@MasterpieceBible i agree with you. thank you for taking time to answer questions. Its really helpful, and it helps with these minor hurdles in our studies.
Thank you for reading your bible and sharing what you believe. One day we will all stand before God himself and give an account of our actions here on earth, including the information we may have shared with others. Please take a look at the term "sons of God" again. It appears twice in Genesis and three times in the book of Job. They all speak of angels or heavenly beings that have direct access to God. Mankind does not have this access in the old testiment (read Luke 16). In the new testiment mankind is given the power to be called "sosn of God" through Jesus.
I love your insights and reasonings but not convinced about the BENE ELOHIM. Also I'm considering what 1Peter 3 and Jude say about the angels who left their domain.
Accurate! This is exactly how the Lord revealed it to me as well. This Enochian Magic released by those who are deceived by it’s heretic book called Enoch” must pray that they would allow God to open up their understanding and preach the truth of God’s Word and not fables. Bless you man of God.
As “heretical” and “magical” that you yourself are calling it, Jude actually quoted it. So, although the entirety of the book isn’t divinely inspired, therefore disallowing it to be included in the canon, some of it is true and is included in our Bible today(1 Enoch 1:9 talking about the Second Coming of Christ). All authors of the New Testament knew about Enoch and his writings and I don’t believe it should be considered “magic” as if demonic in nature. ESPECIALLY if you haven’t taken the time to read it yourself. Not saying you haven’t but hopefully you aren’t making these claims based upon what others have said. Also, prudence and caution should be used when claiming the Lord revealed something like this to you, especially if I would say the Lord revealed the other interpretation to me. Not that you don’t hear from the Lord or spend much time in His Word or can’t hear from Him, but I’ve also done the same and have studied the original language as well and seem to come to a different conclusion. I hope this does not sound like an attack of any kind, brother, just wanted to share my thoughts on it! God bless man!
Genesis 4 and 5 were the missing links to Genesis 6 that we needed here. Context is everything and these 2 verses explain two different geneologies mixing in Genesis 6. I cant believe how twisted people make Genesis 6 out to be with Angels. Angels are spirits not flesh and bone. Malachi 3:1 prophesies a messenger in John the Baptist who was born of flesh and bone from a (woman). To say Genesis 19:1 were Angels from heaven in the flesh is a farce. Messengers (Angels) are helpers and appear in scripture as messengers but messengers in the flesh are men messengers. There are other verses that prove men born of a woman were messengers in numerous places and not Angels. Great vid! Shalom!
Angels can take on human form, like the ones who rescue Lot. The men of Sodom told Lot to bring them out so they could have sex with them. Of course, their plan was thwarted, but it was a possibility.
I think that the significance of the term 'Son's of God' still point to something of the divine council. But you certainly made a good case. And point out some important ways to cross reference scripture. Thanks
Thank you for this video. I really appreciate you identifying the parallel literary passages and literary structures, which shed light on this difficult passage. I find the comparison with the temptation of Eve particularly interesting, because she was being tempted by a real physical serpent....but also Satan, an angelic being. Did Satan manifest as a snake, or possess the snake? Perhaps you have a video on that, I shall peruse your catalogue. However, since you yourself draw a parallel to the passage with Eve. It is interesting that the passage involves an angelic being employing a physical form to tempt and corrupt....a woman. I also felt that you brushed over the main verse, which contains the word Nephilim, with a gloss regarding corruption and growing wickedness, without addressing the specific construction regarding the presence of the Nephilim...are the Nephilim equivalent to the sons of God....if so how, and why does Scripture employ such an obscure word here? How are we to think about Peter's reference to angels in 2 Peter 2:4, immediately followed by v3 dealing with the flood and Noah? I think you make some great points, but maybe there is more to discover here?
Why didn't you mention the giants? You left out the most important part - indeed, the very reason God sent the flood - these giants had to be killed off.
I don’t think a discussion of the giants is necessary for identifying the sons of God. As for the reason why God sent the flood, I’m going to stick with what the text says.
@@MasterpieceBible Well, the giants are here in this text - you're just conveniently leaving them out. And as it says "afterwards", the flood didn't do the whole job - we have them show up when Joshua led the Israelites into Caanan, we also have Goliath, and Og - the last of the giants. Best go back and give this a fresh look.
So the Sons of God appear elsewhere, and in one case are even called "gods." (Psalm 82:6) Deuteronomy 32:8 says the nations were divided by the number of the Sons of God. Daniel talks about how all the princes (sons of the King) except Michael have turned against the Most High (Daniel 10:21) The Sethite view only comes about because of St. Augustine.
Yes, these seem to have been people of exceptional size and strength. The heroes of ancient times. Yet various scholars have also associated the term "nephilim" with the Hebrew word "naphal" (to fall) and suggested that it means "the fallen ones". In light of the immediate context and the allusions to the fall in 6:2 the author may be conveying both ideas here: physical size and strength, yet moral fallenness.
The other context being fallen angels actually makes more sense considering the sons of God mentioned in Job 1 and Job 37 obviously represents spiritual beings. Also the depravity brought in by this unholy union was passed on through the giants that played a major part in leading the nations away from Yahweh to follow the other gods. Babylon was founded and influenced by these nephelim. They introduced brutality into human society and used their power and superiority to deceive the people that lived under their rule. The angels chained in the underworld are these.angels.that left this normal.aboad.
Mmmmm, nah I still think the 'sons of God' had to be spiritual beings. They are also mentioned in Job 1: "Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan also came among them." I imagine these had to be spiritual beings if they were able to present themselves before the Lord. It doesn't make sense for Genesis 6 to mean sons of Seth or any kind of human sons. If that were the case, why is there a contrast between the 'sons of God' and the 'daughters of men'? As if these are strictly two different beings - supernatural beings and human women. Plus it says "that the sons of God saw the daughters of men, that they were beautiful" as if these human women were a new thing to them, as opposed to human men who were already aware of beautiful women and sexual intercourse.
Initially, the bloodline of Seth would have intentionally created distance between the two groups in order to not fall under their influence. But as time went on, and as always happens, the descendents of Seth relaxed their concerns and began to not see the necessity for remaining isolated. No doubt the line of Cain had merchandise that would prove helpful. The women from that line would have dressed more provocative and more sensual and would have been more flirtatious then the more modest women from the line of Seth. The men essentially let down their guard and perhaps there was even some organized plan by the Cain line to have their females seduce the "sons of God" and marry them for some advantage.
@@truthbebold4009 No, it doesn't make any sense for the sons of God to be the sons of Seth. Why from Seth's line in particular would there need to be giants and strong men? Again, Job talks about the sons of God being there when Satan went to speak to him. I don't think they were Seth's sons.
Wrong answer. Good men would not take wicked woman as wives as they see fit, it makes no sense. The union of good men and wicked women should not produce giants or something called Nephilim! They all have human genes. Also, you did not look at the historical context. In second temple period, all Jewish people know that sons of God are fallen angles. They also know the 1 Enoch explained Gen 6 in detail. Sons of God were also mentioned in Job, it means angles.
Why are you afraid of the MOST LIKELY truth: "fallen angels"? Why does this bother you, and so many others? You accept all of the other parts of the Bible, too include bodily ressurections, and parting of seas and mana from the clouds, but not this? Genesis, Exodus, Numbers, Job, Daniel, Jude, Peter, Matthew, Luke, Revelations and others, too include the popular book of Enoch of course would disagree with you. Very curious. . . .
@@lr-musicfun9462 Jude 1:6 makes a reference to this event, "And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day." And also 2 Peter 2:4-5, "For God did not spare even the angels who sinned. He threw them into hell, in gloomy pits of darkness, where they are being held until the day of judgment. And God did not spare the ancient world-except for Noah and the seven others in his family.
@Markdivinus; Hi Mark, Hebrews 1 hints that angels are never called sons of God, and Jesus mentions that in the days of Noah people were eating, drinking, marrying and then the flood came and took them all away. I find it odd that Jesus would not mention angel/women unions when talking about marriages and the flood, He would know if this were true. The passages in Job are disputed because the LXX translated 'angels' and the Masoretic Hebrew has 'sons of God' here. The spacing of the text shows Job 1 & 2 as normal text, but Job 38 is spaced as a song or poem would be. ~ Job 1: 3-5; When the days of feasting had completed their cycle, Job would send and CONSECRATE them (Job's sons), rising up early in the morning and offering burnt offerings according to the number of them all; for Job said, “Perhaps my sons have sinned and cursed God in their hearts.” Thus, Job did continually. Now there was a day when the 'sons of God' came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan also came among them. The LORD said to Satan, “From where do you come?” Then Satan answered the LORD and said, “From roaming about on the earth and walking around on it.” (Summary) ~ Job and his sons (Godly men 'sons of God') are 'CONSECRATED', presenting themselves before God with ‘BURNT’ offerings (sin offerings for sanctification, but burnt offerings are complete submission to God). Satan was among them on earth. God asked Satan and he said he was on earth. The next four verses Satan describes Job’s hedge of protection, his blessings and riches etc. Satan has been there with Job. ~ This isn't angels presenting themselves to God in heaven, this is Job on earth, with his sons called ‘sons of God’. Consecrate: to induct a person into permanent office with a religious rite i.e., to ordain the office of Bishop. To make or declare sacred, to devote irrevocably to the worship of God by a solemn ceremony. ~ This next passage is NOT a historical account of creation but a poetic allegory with much symbolism unless God has the earth supported by a physical foundation and cornerstone. God spoke creation into existence and the earth is free floating in space. Where there is symbolism look for Jesus. ~ John 5:39; “You search the Scriptures because you think that in them you have eternal life; it is these that testify about Me;” ~ Job 38:6-7; Or who ‘LAID’ its 'CORNERSTONE'? 'WHEN' the morning stars sang together and all the sons of God shouted for joy? ~ What is the 'cornerstone' or who is the ‘cornerstone’? JESUS ~ 'WHEN' was the 'cornerstone' laid? AT PENTECOST WHEN THE CHURCH BEGAN. ~ Isaiah 28:16; "Therefore thus says the Lord GOD, “Behold, I am 'LAYING' in Zion a stone, a tested stone, A costly ‘CORNERSTONE’ for the foundation, firmly placed. He who believes in it will not be disturbed." ~ Zechariah 10:3-4; "For the LORD of hosts has visited His flock, the house of Judah and will make them like His majestic horse in battle. “From them 'WILL COME' the ‘CORNERSTONE’." ~ Psalm 118:22; The stone the builders rejected has become the 'CORNERSTONE'; ~ Matthew 21:42; Jesus said to them, “Have you never read in the Scriptures: ‘The stone the builders rejected has become the 'CORNERSTONE'; the Lord has done this, and it is marvelous in our eyes'? ~ Mark 12:10; Haven't you read this passage of Scripture: ‘The stone the builders rejected has become the 'CORNERSTONE'; ~ Luke 20:17; Jesus looked directly at them and asked, “Then what is the meaning of that which is written: ‘The stone the builders rejected has become the 'CORNERSTONE'? ~ Acts 4:11; Jesus is ‘the stone you builders rejected, which has become the 'CORNERSTONE'. ~ Ephesians 2:20; built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, with Christ Jesus himself as the chief CORNERSTONE'. ~ 1Peter 2:6-7; For in Scripture it says: “See, I lay a stone in Zion, a chosen and precious 'CORNERSTONE', and the one who trusts in him will never be put to shame.” Now to you who believe, this stone is precious. But to those who do not believe, “The stone the builders rejected has become the 'CORNERSTONE',”
~ Who are the morning stars? ANGELS ~ Revelation 1:20; “As for the mystery of the seven stars which you saw in My right hand, and the seven golden lampstands: the seven ‘STARS ARE ANGELS’ of the seven churches, and the seven lampstands are the seven churches." ~ Who are the sons of God shouted for joy? GODLY PEOPLE A word search in the Bible (NASB) for ‘shout for joy, shouted for joy, shouting for joy’ reveals: 'people' shouting for joy 14 times, 'nature' (hills, meadows trees etc.) 3 times, and 'angels' shouting for joy 0 times (if Job 38 is angels, then that would be angels 1, people 13, nature 3).
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I think that analyzing this question shows why we have to be very careful about "academic" translations of the Bible from Hebrew. Many Bible translators have been accused, for example, of changing the translation of "virgin' to "young lady" to water down the power of the message of Christ's birth. That even though the context of the story of Mary is that she had never had relations with a man before she gave birth to Jesus. Getting back to this question of the interpretation of "sons of God", depending on which Bible translation you use, Job 1:6 is translated as either "sons of God" or "angels". To the credit of the NIV, it has a footnote that states that the original Hebrew word directly translates to, "sons of God". King James Version leaves Job 1:6 as, "sons of God". The "sons of God" appeared before God, and Satan went with them. Combining this with Genesis 6, I suggest that it makes more sense to infer that the sons of God were heavenly beings with earthly bodies. Cain was human. Intermarriages between humans don't result in giants. The offspring of the sons of God and daughters of men resulted in giant offspring. The descendants of whom included Goliath. So marrying a daughter of Cain, if the daughter acknowledged and gave reverence to God, was not necessarily a sin. Many children acknowledge the mistakes of their parents, and do not necessarily do what their parents did. The Bible does not talk much about ladies. So there is no way of knowing if all the wives of Noah and his sons were only of the bloodline of just Abel and Seth, with no contribution from Cain. Thus, my opinion is that, "sons of God" are heavenly beings with earthly bodies. They were in the world before the flood, and also afterward.
You're right. Angels do take human appearance and attributes as can be read in whole Genesis 19, "Be not forgetful to entertain strangers: for thereby some have entertained angels unawares" We can say Hebrews 13:2 KJV testifies to this Genesis encounter, but it is more than likely refering to the story of Tobit, who was fully unaware of the "heavenly" nature of his host, angel Raphael, unlike Abraham, Lot and the evil population who knew who the "men" were in Genesis. And in all those "bodily" incursions, free will do apply for all creation. And Genesis 6 is unambiguous about who did what. 1 Enoch gives more details about it, and also their subsequent judgement, 2 Peter and Jude refers to angels being in chains of darkness for going agaisnt their order. Drawing clearly from Enoch. As for me, i used to trust these types of scholars, like hey they should know better, but i realised they're gate keepers, knowingly or not, keeping folks from receiving the whole Truth, as written somewhere in Mathew 23 i think. Everything becomes clear once you start asking yourself "what writings were Peter, Jude, Hebrews, Marc and other epistle writers using/preaching out of?" 1. Enoch, Jubilees, 2. Esdras, Tobit are clearly among them, full of concepts and principles quoted by them and Jesus Himself! Some say Jesus said angels mary not, and don't multiply. It's true of course, they're not meant to, as long as they are in heaven in they're angelic form. But once they take a bodily appearance, they also inherit the characteristics, and can experience what that body is submitted to here on earth. That's the context of Genesis 6.
Brother. You let me down here. For a textual study you unfortunately got this wrong. If you are correct then I should take a pen and scratch Peter and Jude where they talk about divine beings being punished for this incursion
Don't scratch them. Instead go back and study them carefully. Just because some people say that they are referring to this narrative, doesn't mean that they actually are.
@@MasterpieceBible Please explain these then.. are "gods" here mere men? Exodus 12:12 12 “On that same night I will pass through Egypt and strike down every firstborn of both people and animals, and I will bring judgment on all the gods of Egypt. I am the Lord. and this then.. are the "sun, moon and stars" mere men? Deut 4:19-20 19 And when you look up to the sky and see the sun, the moon and the stars-all the heavenly array-do not be enticed into bowing down to them and worshiping things the Lord your God has apportioned to all the nations under heaven. 20 But as for you, the Lord took you and brought you out of the iron-smelting furnace, out of Egypt, to be the people of his inheritance, as you now are.
This is a fascinating topic, one we can agree to disagree on without being rude or nasty. Here is what two of my favorite scholars have to say on this topic. The term "sons of God" (Heb. beney' ha- Elohim) is used in the Old Testament of either angels or men who were true believers, committed to the service of God. Passages that refer to angels as beney' ha- Elohim include Job 1:6; 2:1; 38:7 Psalms 29:1; 89:6 (89:7 MT). The Masoretic text does not contain this phrase in Deuteronomy 32:43, but a fragment of a Hebrew text found in Qumran cave 4 reads: "Shout joyously O heavens, with Him, and worship Him O sons of God [beney' ha- Elohim] and ascribed to him might, all you sons of the mighty [bênê 'Ēlîm]. Shout joyously, O nations, concerning His people, and accord strength to Him, all you angels of God [malakhey Elohim]." This is considerably more expanded than the received Hebrew text (MT) of this verse, but it may possibly be the original wording. It was probably the passage quoted in Hebrews 1:6--- though Psalm 97:7 may also be the source for that verse. But the occurrences of beney' ha- Elohim referring to men standing in covenant relationship to God are fully as numerous in the Old Testament as those referring to angels (cf. Deut. 14:1; 32:5; Ps. 73:15; Hos. 1:10 [MT=2:10] ---and we believe Gen. 6:2 as well) The reasons for understanding Genesis 6:2 as referring to members of the covenant family, descendants of the line of Seth, are quite compelling. Scripture clearly teaches that angels are spirits, "ministering spirits sent to serve those who will inherit salvation" (Hebrews 1:14, NIV) While they may on occasion appear in bodily form in the semblance of men, they have no physical bodies and are therefore utterly incapable of carnal relations with women. The rabbinic speculation that angels are referred to in Genesis 6:2 is a curious intrusion of pagan superstition that has no basis at all in the rest of Scripture. The fact that some children of gigantic stature (v.4) resulted from these marriages offers no evidence whatever of angelic paternity. No one claims that the sons of Anak, Goliath and his brothers had any angelic forebears because of their great stature; nor is there any reason to suppose that of the antediluvian giants had supernatural forebears. What Genesis chapter 6:1-2,4 records is the first occurrence of mixed marriage between believers and unbelievers, with a characteristic result of such unions: complete loss of testimony for the Lord and a total surrender of moral standards. In other words, the "sons of God" in this passage were descendants of the godly line of Seth. Instead of remaining true to God and loyal to their spiritual heritage, they allowed themselves to be enticed by the beauty of ungodly women who were "daughters of men"--- that is, of the tradition and example of Cain. The natural result of such marriages was a debasement of nature on the part of the younger generations, until the entire antediluvian civilization sank to the lowest depths of depravity. The Lord saw how great man's wickedness on the earth had become, and that every inclination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil all the time" (v.5, NIV). The inevitable result was judgment, the terrible destruction of the Great Flood. Perhaps one last comment regarding angels would be in order here. If we were to concede that spirits could somehow enter into sexual relations with human beings---which they cannot---then they could not even so be fitted in with this passage here. If they were minions of Satan, that is, fallen angels, then they could not have been referred to as "sons of God." Demons of hell would never be so designated in Scripture. Nor could they have been angels of God, since God's angels always live in total obedience to Him and have no other yearning or desire but to do God's will and glorify His name. A sordid involvement with godless young women would therefore be completely out of character for angels as "sons of God." The only viable explanation therefore, is that the sons of God were descendants of the godly line of Seth. Dr. Gleason L. Archer, Jr. Encyclopedia of Bible Difficulties pp. 79-80 Some interpreters claim that in the Old Testament the phrase “sons of God” always refers to angels. The phrase is used in Hosea 1:10 to refer to humans, but advocates of the angels view argue that this phrase cannot mean the same thing as it does in Genesis 6 because Hosea used the singular form of the word “God,” El, whereas the writer of Genesis 6 used the plural form, Elohim. The assumption here is that because these passages do not use precisely the same terms, they are not referring to the same thing. This assumption is incorrect, however, because different words are often used to refer to the same thing. The words El and Elohim are frequently used interchangeably in the Old Testament, and there is no doubt that both passages refer to God. It is not the case, therefore, that “sons of God” always refers to angels. Most advocates of the angels view point to Job 1:6 and 2:1 to support their claim that “sons of God” refers to angels. They argue that since it refers to angels in Job, then it also refers to angels in Genesis 6. In this case the assumption is the opposite of the one above; that is, these passages must refer to the same thing simply because they use the same terms. This is not necessarily true, however. Words or phrases often mean different things or are used differently in different contexts. The phrase “Son of Man,” for example, refers to Ezekiel in the book of Ezekiel, but in the Gospels it refers to Jesus. One must demonstrate from the context of the passages in Genesis and Job that “sons of God” means the same thing in both passages and not simply assume this is the case because the words are the same. The passages in Job are also used to argue that “sons of God” refers to fallen angels. There is nothing in these passages, however, that indicates that they are fallen angels. Job 1:6, for example, says, “the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan also came among them.”1 Satan was not one of the sons of God, but came in “among them.” In Job, the reference to the “sons of God” does not include fallen angels such as Satan. Additionally, it seems very unlikely that the expression “sons of God” would be used to refer to fallen angels. This argument incorrectly assumes that the two passages are referring to the same thing simply because they use the same terms. Other commentators appeal to Jude 6-7 to support their contention that the “sons of God” were unfallen or heavenly angels who then fell because they had sexual relations with female humans. They argue that Jude compared the prideful fallen angels to the sexually immoral people of Sodom and Gomorrah. The problem with this assertion is that it assumes what it must prove. Proponents of this argument use their interpretation of Genesis 6 to understand Jude, and then use their understanding of Jude to support their interpretation of Genesis 6. This is circular reasoning. The angels view also assumes that angels can have sexual relations with female humans. Bruce Waltke points out, however, “This interpretation…contradicts Jesus’ statement that angels do not marry (Matt. 22:30; Mark 12:25). It is one thing for angels to eat and drink (see Gen. 19:1-3), but quite another to marry and reproduce.”2 Some interpreters respond that Jesus was referring only to the marriage contract and not to the marriage bed, but this makes Jesus’ statement nonsensical in its own context. Jesus was responding to the question about having a marital relation resulting in children, and He clearly denied that heavenly angels can have sexual relations. Other defenders respond that Jesus is referring to angels in heaven, whereas Genesis 6 is referring to fallen angels. The problem with this explanation is that prior to having sexual relations with female humans, these fallen angels must have been unfallen, heavenly angels; but Jesus said heavenly angels could not have sexual relations, and, therefore, they could not have committed the very act that is supposed to have caused them to fall. Furthermore, this view not only assumes that unfallen angels can have sexual relations with female humans but also that it is necessarily sinful. No commentator has attempted to prove this assumption. Dr. Thomas A. Howe Professor of Bible and Biblical Languages, Southern Evangelical Seminary
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You are preaching this out of context taken by bits and pieces. Read the ENTIRE BOOK CAREFULLY AND ASK FOR DECERNMENT! They are fallen angels. That's why God says Noah was perfect in his generations l( genealogy). The sons of God are the fallen angels. That is why God flooded the world and only saved Noah and his family. Reread it.
@@lisachambers3683 nope. Reread it.
So, who are the sons of God in 1 John 3 v 1, 2
@@diaskent829 it doesn’t say sons of God it’s says children of God. It’s ambiguous.
It’s a general statement.
This is a better interpretation from a professor at a christian seminar: th-cam.com/video/qKtHwc3mMY8/w-d-xo.htmlsi=vlnABmyebcPw5cZj
According to the Bible, the term “sons of God” can apply to humans as well as to angels. In Genesis 6, it applies to humans. This video is 100% spot on.
1 John 3:1, 2 KJV says “we are the sons of God”:
“Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew Him not. Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when He shall appear, we shall be like Him; for we shall see Him as He is.”
It says this twice in the above passage.
Best and most logical explanation of that text. Some would make it more sensational but we want truth. Thank you
the "Sons of God" are mentioned in the book of Job 1:6 and they are seen as heavenly beings in the verse
@Matthew209100New Hi Matthew, why do you believe these are heavenly beings in Job 1?
~ Job 1: 3-5; When the days of feasting had completed their cycle, Job would send and CONSECRATE them (Job's sons), rising up early in the morning and offering burnt offerings according to the number of them all; for Job said, “Perhaps my sons have sinned and cursed God in their hearts.” Thus, Job did continually. Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan also came among them. The LORD said to Satan, “From where do you come?” Then Satan answered the LORD and said, “From roaming about on the earth and walking around on it.”
(Summary)
~ Job and his sons (Godly men 'sons of God') are 'CONSECRATED', presenting themselves before God with ‘BURNT’ offerings (sin offerings for sanctification, but burnt offerings are complete submission to God). Satan was among them on earth. God asked Satan and he said he was on earth. The next four verses Satan describes Job’s hedge of protection, his blessings and riches etc. Satan has been there with Job.
~ This isn't angels presenting themselves to God in heaven, this is Job on earth, with his sons called ‘sons of God’.
Consecrate: to induct a person into permanent office with a religious rite i.e., to ordain the office of Bishop. To make or declare sacred, to devote irrevocably to the worship of God by a solemn ceremony.
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You wrote: _"the "Sons of God" are mentioned in the book of Job 1:6 and they are seen as heavenly beings in the verse"_
By writing that, you show that you have never read the book of Job, and that you have no clue about what you're saying.
@@alltimeislikethepresent They don't call them "heavenly beings" in Job, but from the evidence of them being in Gods presence they would have to be.
Exodus 33:20; But,” he said, “you cannot see my face, for no one may see me and live.”
@@Matthew209100New Hi Matthew, Godly people 'present themselves before the Lord' all the time, it does not require one to be in heaven, remember God is OMNIPRESENT.
~ 1 Samuel 10:19; “But you have today rejected your God, who delivers you from all your calamities and your distresses; yet you have said, ‘No, but set a king over us!’ Now therefore, 'PRESENT YOURSELVES BEFORE THE LORD' by your tribes and by your clans.”
~ Joshua 24:1; Then Joshua gathered all the tribes of Israel to Shechem and called for the elders of Israel and for their heads and their judges and their officers; and they 'PRESENTED THEMSELVES BEFORE GOD'.
~ Daniel 9:20; "Now while I was speaking and praying, and confessing my sin and the sin of my people Israel, and presenting my supplication 'BEFORE THE LORD' my God in behalf of the holy mountain of my God,"
Best wishes and God Bless
@@Matthew209100New _"They don't call them "heavenly beings" in Job, but from the evidence of them being in Gods presence they would have to be."_
What do you mean by "being in God's presence"?
_"Exodus 33:20; But,” he said, “you cannot see my face, for no one may see me and live.”"_
Where does the book of Job say anything about the sons of God seeing God's face?
It's 12.00 AM and I'm seriously watching your video. I'm glad I found it. God bless you for giving such a wonderful explanation.
Glad to hear that!
When someone truly studies it shows. Great job!!!
Yep, another one just like him.
How are we to handle Job 1:6, 2:1 and 38:7? The use of sons of God here are clearly about angels?
Also, how would we then determine the origin of the nephilim or ‘giants’?
Are the Sons of God some celestial type of being? I would say absolutely!
I believe conclusively assuming/interpreting they are angels limits God.
Going with interpretation, nowhere in Job does it say the Sons of God were angels. So we still need to go looking before we settle on that.
Satan stood in for Adam having defeated him and turned Adam mortal in contrast to his pre-sin-made-in-the-image-of-God. That seems to be something most agree with. If Adam was the rightful son of God. If would make sense that the others could be the first created Steward of God's creations on their own planets.
What about 38:7?
Should we assume Earth was the first planet created, God probably did not stop creating since before Adam up to Job.
Job mentions the Sons of God shouting for joy. I'm going to assume that the punctuation is correct and that this was indeed during the creation of the earth rather than two separate events like the many events God shared declaring His glory. So maybe they are in fact angels??
Or….. As MT1016SheepAmongWolves brought my attention to Hebrews 1. It is (sadly to some) likely that the angels were never referred to as sons of God. Then where in the universe did these other “first created beings” come from?!
Maybe time is indeed variable throughout space. Or maybe God might bless us with that answer here or when we get to heaven. I clearly do not have a definitive answer and even if I did, why would you accept it instead of arguing with it considering the video makes a better argument than I do and yet you found something you didn't find an answer for.
@@status8477 So silly, the blind leading the blind. You admit your blindness yet you still set a trap.
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I agree with the OP. The Sons of God are clearly not human as referenced in Job. Jesus himself says that no one can look upon God and that no one has seen God but these beings are Sons of God, clearly of his divination. Whether they are angels or not, it remains to be questioned, but his indications in the video as to being human are incorrect. The beings procreated to make GIANTS, their is no resemblance to this type of creation happening anywhere else but this pre flood time era. The fact that he uses the common English translations instead of the original biblical Hebrew shows more of a lack of interest than wanting a full understanding at its core, as the Bible is not an English friendly book. Very few in the Bible have clear communication with God, and we know Abraham had direct communication with Jesus long before his time had come to be sacrifice for our sins. My best argument against this would be, if they were simply humans procreating with humans, then how were their offspring any different than the other generations before them? Why would these specific beings be capable of producing different humans, and why would God need to rid the world of their creations along with everything else in it (besides Noah's tale) if they were simply human. It makes no sense to try and state the beings as man, and they clearly could've just worded it as the Sons of Man instead of the Sons of God.
There’s nothing to handle in scripture sometimes they refer to angels and sometimes men. Context goes along way.
This subject always worried me.. but this explanation is both logical and rational and puts a new prospective to my belief system. Thanks you.
I agree. Always thought it was angels but it did not make sense. This at least is more logical.
Amen! Thanks - so refreshing - no hocus-pokus! Just plain reading and comparing scripture with scripture . That nailed it!
Wow. I knew we didn’t need the book of Enoch, the Bible is all we need! You blew my mind brother!! God bless you and your channel. Thank you.
You are probably right but there is one thing that I need clarification about. Who are these angels who didn't keep their position of authority in Jude 1:6?
And why does Jude 1:6 quote Enoch almost word for word .. Enoch fills in so much of what the Bible is missing
The problem with this master class it’s not addressing the elephant in the room. The Bene Elohim, Sons of God. When the Sons of God passage was put into Genesis 6 by Moses, he already had context for Sons of God from the book of Job. Job predates Moses and some believe he was the author.
In Job 38 it clearly tells one who the sons of God were.
“Where were you when I laid the foundations of the earth?
Tell Me, if you have understanding.
Who fixed its measurements? Surely you know!
Or who stretched a measuring line across it?
On what were its foundations set,
or who laid its cornerstone,
While the morning stars sang together
and all the SONS OF GOD shouted for joy?
It clearly states that the Sons of God were in heaven at creation. So were the morning stars, angels. (Rev 12:4 angels are stars) It doesn’t call the Sons of God angels, it’s two separate groups and we know man was not even created yet. In Gen 6 Moses figured the reader already knew who the verse was talking about. You can’t read Genesis 4 and 5 into 6 without dealing with the Term Sons of God and the Nephilim.
The Nephilim we know who they were because of Numbers. They were giants, they were different than regular men but were men. They were ALL to be destroyed though.
Moses, the author again figured everyone knew what he was talking about when inserting Nephilim in verse 6. That is the context for the whole verse, Moses assumed the readers knew what he was talking about. The genealogy.verses before 6 simply show the line of Christ, that’s its purpose. Both 4 and 5 have a flow but when one gets to 6 it upends the previous verses. Something different happened that would lead
to the flood.
If it was Cain mixing with Seth there Wasent any prohibition with mixing clans anywhere in Gen pre flood. The Bible never says that. It’s not even implied. As a matter of fact Cain had to have had a wife from Adam or Seth. The lines mixed then.
See the problem with the master class interpretation.
I kept on seeing that angels don’t procreate?
other than Jesus saying in Heaven we will be like angels not marrying, there isn’t any other verse that says that and Jesus wasent discussing angles but human marriage. It also doesn’t say what the state of FALLEN angels are like. Jude and Petter explain
Jude 1:6
“ And the angels who did not keep their proper domain, but left their own abode, He has reserved in everlasting chains under darkness for the judgment of the great day”.
Peter 2:4
God did not spare the angels who sinned, but cast them down to hell and delivered theminto chains of darkness, to be reserved for judgment”
Both Petter and Jude figured their readers knew what they were talking about because they were discussing the same thing and that was Gen 6. Where else in the Bible do we have
Heavenly creatures leaving there position or place.
Needless to say the Bible never Says the Sons of God are Angels. The word Angels simply mean messengers. It became a generic term. It doesn’t tell you what kind of creature it is. Angels can appear as normal men that eat, walk, talk and have body mass. They look just like men. Any heavenly creature can be a messenger but not all creatures are sons of God. Scripture is clear Sons of God are heavenly beings that came down and had relations with the “ DAUGHTERS OF MEN”. not daughters of Cain or Seth but men which is both. Something happened during this period that caused the flood, it wasn’t Cain mixing with Seth it was spiritual.
Just a thought, the only place that makes mixing a problem, until Moses era, was in the Garden when God put enmity between the Serpent seed( it has seed) and the woman’s. ( line of Christ) Why did God make the distinction?
The narrative seems as though the Sons of God corrupted the human line to Christ hopping to stop his birth. So God destroyed the bad seed during the flood. Moses though says the Nephilim were there after the flood he knows this because he was fighting them. They were to be destroyed, completely. Why them, the nephilim and the Nephilim ancestors? Because they were tall? No, because they carried the seed of something evil, and it wasn’t Cain.
At the time of David killing a giant could make or break one’s kingship, Saul was afraid of Goliath because he was unreal and he was big. But it wasn’t cartoonish like some imply. The Nephilim were different creatures and goliath was an ancestor of that line.
I feel all the information above makes more sense of Genesis 6.
@@stanbrown4757exactly
very correct, the spooky stuff is pagan
This is bu far THE best explanation to these verses to me. Thank you! I struggled with the possible idea that "fallen angels" slept with human woman and such, I couldn't wrap my mind around that. So, this makes MUCH more sense. Thank you.
You're welcome! Glad it was helpful.
@@MasterpieceBible what about what many have stated, and experienced, regarding incubus and succubus?
Sorry, but his expectation is incorrect. Please keep studying and praying. God will reveal the truth to you
It was fallen angels sleeping with human women. Angel is not a description of biology, it's a job description that can apply to any extraterrestrial being, which is exactly what angels are. Angel as a term is vague. Prior to the creation of mankind, heavenly beings existed. That means that they were not from Earth. And any being not from Earth is automatically an extraterrestrial because they are not from the terrestrial.
So, the pre-ademic races of extraterrestrials, which we refer to by their job title of angel, have physical form. This is how when angelic beings, or extraterrestrials, visited Lot in the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah, they ate and drank with him. You can only eat and drink if you have a physical body. They also looked like men. And if you have a physical body in the form of a man you must be able to pee, etc. And if you can pee, then you have male anatomy. And if you have male anatomy, it is possible you can be with a human woman, particularly when you look like a man. And as is written about the serpent (a form of angelic being), he has seed and offspring. So angelic beings have the capability, at least in some cases, of having seed. This video is misleading you 100%.
@@educational4434
messengers can be anything but usually human messengers prophets apostles, even a donkey star constellation, we must consider the next homeless man we step over. In the the past God could be an angel a messenger of the lord, the 3 came to Abraham, who came to Joshua who did Jacob wrestle, work it out, it says messenger, unless you worship the gods
This explanation speaks true to me. I've heard lots of other possibilities but none feel right, this feels correct. I'll have to pray on it. Thanks for this video.
You're welcome! Glad it was helpful. What matters in the end is which explanation is actually supported by the text.
Yeah, But consider this; The relationship between the sons of God and the Daughters of Men resulted into things called Nephilim/giants; This can mean that these relations were not supposed to happen; Due to an incompatible DNA which resulted into un natural beings.
Gen 6:4 4The Nephilim were on the earth in those days- and afterward as well - when the sons of God had relations with the daughters of men. And they bore them children who became the mighty men of old, men of renown.
Now, If it were that the children of SETH (GODLY) taking for themselves the daughters of Cain (MAN), this was completely compatible DNA, the Nephilim in scripture seem not to suggest spiritual gigantism; but physical structures;
The Scripture seems to suggest a relation between two biologies that when crossed, got messed up, biologies that were not supposed to reproduce in each other.
So; how do you reconcile this with the explanation in the Video;
Thank you brother, finally someone speaking common sense on this matter, thank you. I have heard many give these annoying and erroneous teachings on this passage. I appreciate it! God bless you
Keep posting these! You give such great explanations and in the process we learn how to better study and interpret the Bible for ourselves. Thank you Chris for this great ministry.
Appreciate the feedback and support!
@@lisachambers3683 I believe that as the Spirit leads Chris and teaches him from the Bible, we benefit from what he is learning.
I have no doubt the Spirit is working, as you can probably tell from this channel's content. I agree that spiritual things are spiritually discerned. The Spirit can and does teach us as we study the Bible.
In my personal experience with the Bible, I find that when I apply some of the principles I have been learning from this channel I can reach new depths in my study of God's word.
What I learned from Chris does not take away from my personal study of the Bible but rather enhances it. That said I agree that we should always pray for the Holy Spirit to guide us when we read the Bible.
Brilliant! Like all of us, I had heard all kinds of speculation about this strange chapter 6. Your view is the simplest, clearest and most revealing of all of them, the others seem like science fiction fantasies in comparison.
Congratulations.
Thank you! Yes, I do believe this is what makes the most sense in that particular context.
It's unfortunate that men like Michael Heiser have attracted so many followers to this sci-fi version of God's word. He taught there were like four or five rebellions of the supernatural kind. Apparently they are extremely susceptible to rebelling. There might be more of them rebelling as we speak. Better hide your wife and daughters.
Wow! This is the best explanation I’ve heard for these verses. I’ve watched quite a few videos and read commentary about this but never felt like the interpretation was based on the context of the Bible. I think many people hold to the idea that the Sons of God were angels to explain why there were giants in those days. But Jesus said that in heaven we’d be like the angels that don’t marry. So I’ve always thought it was illogical to think this passage indicates angels having children with people. I really enjoy your videos and always get new insights into to the text that I hadn’t seen before. Thank you!
You're welcome! Glad the video was helpful. :) The giants are part of a "human greatness" theme in these verses that culminates in God's observation that their wickedness was great. In case you're interested, I've written more on this here: fascinatedbytheword.wordpress.com/2015/10/26/true-greatness-part-1
@@MasterpieceBible Nice! I like what you're getting at here and will be checking out that link.
@@MasterpieceBible I'm curious why the Sethite view wasn't proclaimed until Augustine? Any insight on that?
@Carrie Carter the angles of HEAVEN do not marry. So yes that would sound illogical, but these angles were no longer apart of Heaven nor cared about the will of the Father. @Masterpiece Bible did a tremendous job with this video and explanation, but there are a few sources in other areas of the Bible not talked about here. Not even trying to change anyone’s mind or come off as an attack, just wanted to share my thoughts! God bless ma’am!
@@truthbebold4009 Because the Sethith view is wrong. Sadly the author ignores all passages in the Bible where the Sons of God clearly refer to Angel's. Like in the book of Job.
Some times the Sons of God are spiritual being and sometimes it’s referring to men. Luke 3:38 Explains this after going through the lineage. Great explanation! The simplest answer sometimes is always the best.
Bravo! This is how you properly exegete a text. The law of biogenesis debunks angels mating with humans and producing offspring.
That is an impressive analysis of this passage, that, honestly, has alway baffled me. Thank you for your opinion on it!
I’m brand new to this Bible teacher. The first video I watched he said we always always always start with the context. Words have meaning, it’s not for us to bring our view to the text. If a thorough investigation of what everyone who wrote about the subject in the first century believed, The Sethite view did not exist.
So much of future context hinges on the supernatural understanding of this passage. Time to do a word study. ie sons of God.
First I watched this video and then the video by Inspiring Philosophy on the the same subject. I was reminded of the truth of Proverbs 18:17 "In a lawsuit the first to speak seems right, until someone comes forward and cross-examines."
Well I watched IP and Michael Heiser first and then I watched this video, so obviously this one is the Truth
Thank you! Great explanation.
Blessings 🙌🏾
You're welcome!
Excellent explanation. Now I have a short video to share with others.
You missed 1 John 3:1, 2 KJV as an additional prooftext:
“Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew Him not. Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when He shall appear, we shall be like Him; for we shall see Him as He is.”
This is the best explanation thus far.
Thank you this is exactly the way God showed it to me and I have had many debates with people over the years that believed that the fallen angels and humans had offspring and it was the line of Seth crossing with the line of cain thank you
This was a helpful video; this is called Perspicuity of the Scripture. You have to use scripture to interpret less clear verses of scripture. When a Bible study leans on an external perspective to understand the Bible (evolution or recent PHD perspectives…) which relies on confusing and non-obvious premises; you’re probably not doing it right.
Right on brother. I’ve been teaching the same thing in my church for years. At one point I even read the whole book of Enoch just to see what it had to say, but clearly the book of Enoch is nothing but Jewish mythology. And if the sons of God were angels, we would expect God to judge the angels as well as man in Genesis 6. In fact, that’s what God did in Genesis, chapter 3, when Satan tempted Eve to sin. The fact that nominal believers living in sin brought judgment should be a warning to the world today. Thanks for putting this post out.
Adam was the first
Angel in Hebrew is messenger, so maybe sons of God are angels?
Jude 1:6-7, the apostle Jude also wrote about the angels who sinned, saying, "And the angels who did not stay within their own position of authority, but left their proper dwelling, he has kept in eternal chains under gloomy darkness until the judgment of the great day- just as Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding cities, which likewise indulged in sexual immorality and pursued unnatural desire, serve as an example by undergoing a punishment of eternal fire." (Jude 1:6-7, ESV). This passage suggests that angels are capable of rebelling against God and that God is capable of judging them.
@@inyagi3107 At first I considered this. But on further reflection-Jude doesn’t specifically say the Angels married women. He is just listing examples of rebellion. And the best example is Satan, who rebelled before Genesis chapter 3. I would say that is also when the fallen angels rebelled-see Revelation 12:4.
@@pastorbarnett3049 So why would he reference it immediately after and also reference word for word the book of Enoch in the the same verse ? Also please then explain the birth of the nephilim ..... the giants we see throughout numbers? are you saying to me that 2 humans can produce Giants?
Well, that sounds all well and good except for the fact that you failed to mention where the Giants came from.
@@TacoSyndicate I don’t see the text giving a clear answer to that question. I also don’t see any textual evidence that requires them to be anything but humans of exceptional stature. This is also suggested by Num 13, which is probably the reason why the LXX translators chose the term in the first place.
@@MasterpieceBible Who are the Sons of God in Job then?
@@MasterpieceBible Or Probably we are missing a narrative, See Most us Christians Start with Genesis 1 as the Beginning; Yet Genesis one is the beginning of the Earth and Heavens, Not the Entire WORLD. The Genesis 1 and 2 Accounts are of the Formation/Creation of the Heavens and the Earth.
Then John 1 (1-10) Hints us on a summary of the world events before Genesis 1, John 1:10 Asserts the WORLD. and how nothing created was Created without Him. This Delves us into a Much deep and wider insight.
John 1:3 3 All THINGS were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. To me, this verse is deep. THING (All THINGS) implies ALL (Angels, Creatures, MAN, The GALAXIES etc.)
(I have several suggestions here, but for the sake of the gospel, allow me end there)
Think About it and Pray on it for guidance by the Holy Spirit.
Stay Blessed.
@@MasterpieceBible Er so you IGNORE the whole reason God took the Israelites out of Egypt, brought them to the promised land where the GIANTS (the ANAKIM) lived to remove them? Where it clearly described that the Israelites were like "ants" to them?
@@ADesertVoice
Numbers 13:33 is a false report, presented by the unbelieving spies. It was an exaggeration, and just as true as the statement that God had brought them into the wilderness to kill them and that it was impossible to conquer the promised land. Joshua and Caleb didn’t hold this view.
Thank you...I was having some trouble reading and understanding the bible but you really helped me
Glad to hear that!
Now that was a Biblical and contextual presentation on the topic. Very good breakdown into the scripture. Very good spiritual application.
How can you reconcile this passage of Scripture from Jude with this interpretation? It plainly says "angels" here.
Jude 1:6
6 And the angels who did not keep their [c]proper domain, but left their own abode, He has reserved in everlasting chains under darkness for the judgment of the great day
Thank you for taking the time to respond to my comment. And thank you for being detailed and respectful. I may not agree with your interpretation but I respect you for your opinion and and taking the time to defend it. Have a good day and God bless you
Job 38:7 indicates that the “sons of God” are angelic beings
“Whereupon were the foundations thereof fastened? Or who laid the corner-stone thereof, When the morning stars sang together, And all the sons of God shouted for joy?”
Job 38:6-7
The apostle Peter also says
“For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;”
2 Peter 2:4
He was talking about the angelic beings in Genesis 6
@@SeekingAlfalfa in this case he’s talking about angelic beings , context my friend
@@SeekingAlfalfaAgain, take in context in the 2nd letter Peter wrote. Both in Genesis 6:1 and and Job 1:6 refer to sons of God as angelic beings. So maybe you should take your own advice.
Superb explanation. I think its enough for thise who believe about strange marriages of human and other creatures.
The biggest flaw I see with the sons of God just being wicked powerful rulers or Cain's evil line is what was the point in the Flood when similar people such as Nimrod, Og and Goliath walked the Earth afterwards. Clearly there's something more about this product of the sons of God and daughters of men that caused God to commence the Flood.
Well, if we stick to the text, the reason God sent the Flood was because the wickedness of mankind on the earth had become great and every intent of the thought of their hearts was only evil continually. The issue is the exceeding wickedness of mankind (the same word that's used prior to Gen 6 to designate regular human beings). Of course there were very evil people after the flood as well (and God also held them accountable), but the situation before the flood was so bad that only eight people were willing to go into the ark. Basically evil had overtaken the world almost entirely (which suggests that the Flood was not just an act of justice but also one of mercy that secured the future of mankind). I don't see that kind of situation after the Flood - locally, yes, but not worldwide.
Goliath was only 2m tall - a very ordinary height
Genesis 6:1-2 NKJV
[1] Now it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born to them, [2] that the sons of God saw the daughters of men, that they were beautiful; and they took wives for themselves of all whom they chose.
Genesis 6:3-4 NKJV
[3] And the Lord said, “My Spirit shall not strive with man forever, for he is indeed flesh; yet his days shall be one hundred and twenty years.” [4] There were giants on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men and they bore children to them. Those were the mighty men who were of old, men of renown.
This means the men were possessed with evil spirit meaning the sons of God were fallen angels.
Job 1:6 NKJV
[6] Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan also came among them.
No you got it wrong - satan is just a mere man! Jokes.. I'm with you brother. Most people are too scared to see the sons of God / the divine council / spiritual beings / sun, moon and starts / powers and authorities, etc in the Bible.. I'm not sure why.. God himself is a spiritual being.. The God over all gods.. Psalm 82.. Look it up Chris ;)
Further, Jesus calls Peter Satan.. Jesus is not saying Peter is from the direct bloodline of Cain.. do you think all Christians/Israelites are from the line of Seth? And all sinners are from the direct bloodline of Cain? That makes no sense.. the whole picture in the Bible is that we choose if we are from the seed of Eve or the seed of the serpant/Cain, etc..
And explain Rev 20:1-3 - is "the dragon, that ancient serpent, who is the devil, or Satan" just a mere man??
1 And I saw an angel coming down out of heaven, having the key to the Abyss and holding in his hand a great chain. 2 He seized the dragon, that ancient serpent, who is the devil, or Satan, and bound him for a thousand years. 3 He threw him into the Abyss, and locked and sealed it over him, to keep him from deceiving the nations anymore until the thousand years were ended. After that, he must be set free for a short time.
Do you believe that angels and humans are the same kind of creatures? They would have to be to interbreed.
@@PapaBear-k4k Good question. No they definitely aren't the same creatures, but they are both created beings, created by God (God of gods Deut 10:17). I dont believe the bible clarifies how this happened, as that is not the main focus here, but if we think about Jesus' conception we might be able to glean how it could have happened.
Isaiah 7:14 talks about a virgin giving birth - how does this happen? Maybe God will make it happen? Matthew 1:18-25 talks about Mary being made pregnant through the Holy Spirit - how does this happen? Since we agree humans and angels (even more so the Holy Spirit) are "not the same kind of creature." Obviously God has some kind of power to make this happen. And the "sons of God" or "angels" also have some kind of this power being his spiritual children/family.
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Ah, God says 17 times in the creation account that creatures will only reproduce after their own kind, and then some angels said "Bet!"
I don't buy it lol
Thank you so much for being able to rightly divide the Word of God. It never ceases to amaze me how many fails to follow a simple story line. Astonishing!!!!!
Good stuff!!!
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I agree! I have been teaching that the sons of God are faithful humans who lust after the daughters of man which represents the unsaved people. Just like when Jesus warned believers not to be yoked with unbelievers, 2nd corth 6:14. People believe the sons of God must be supernatural beings because they got wrong idea about the giants. @MasterpieceBible
I think the "sons of God" were humans beings who were faithful to God and God counted on them to live for Him but they disappointed Him by doing what the wicked people on earth did and also by going into them by marrying them without the concerns of God. For example, Noah could also be part of the sons of God who lived differently to please God other than following the stepss of the rest of humans on earth. God had expected his faithful ones who He called His sons to have lived to please Him but did not and rather saw the beatutiful daughter of men, where men here refers to the wicked humans on earth. So in order to distincquish between the humans who please God and the ones who did not, the word "sons of God" was used. For example, both christians and non-christians are all men created by God but the distinction comes in when christians call themselves sons of God because they have come to believe in Jesus and have been born again by the Holy Spirit.
That's why you said
"I think"
Don't jump to that kind of conclusion cuz many are fallen or decieved
But Again, their Relations resulted into Physical Nephilim, this suggests that these were two biologies that were not supposed to mate. How do you reconcile that?
Excellent exegesis, especially the parallel with the language of Gen. 3 when Eve sees that the fruit is good and takes it.
Thanks! 🙂
If they were simply human then why aren’t their offspring simply human? Apologies if you mentioned the Nephilim but it seems you avoided that all together.
I don't see any clear indication in the text that they were not human. "Those were the mighty men who were of old, men of renown" sounds like humans to me. Same with Num 13:33.
@@MasterpieceBible Right, because if you combined any other humans on the planet you wouldn't get "mighty men" offspring. Only combining "good" boys and "bad" girls allows for offspring so mighty they have a special name for them... It just doesn't make any since whatsoever to point out their children being ANY different than any others if they were mere humans.
The genesis 6 passage says “bene Elohim” it means angelic beings.
The passages he said about “sons of god” use completely different words.
People need to study the word “Elohim”
@@MasterpieceBible The Context of Sons of God is not chapter 4 and 5 but Job 1:6 and and 38:7. Both verses clearly use the term Sons of God and they are with God. Verse 38:7 clearly shows they were there before creation. Most scholars believe Moses is the main writer of Genesis and they believe Job is an older or contemporary book during Moses time. He knew the term Sons of God and he knew his audience knew it.
@@MasterpieceBible . Genesis says the Nephilim were on the earth in those days. So in other words they weren’t around until then. Where did they come from, what caused them? It’s a clear distinction between Nephilim and ordinary men. They were men, but were not ordinary
The Nephilim came about because the sons of God went into the daughters of men. Once again, there is a clear distinction between sons of God and daughters of men. The daughters of men are the daughters of all men. That includes Cain and Seth.
One more thing, you can’t use the new Testament as context for the sons of God. The writer of Genesis, Moses did not have the New Testament, he probably did know about the book of Job. The book was around then. Also, Paul and Jesus say the sons of God will be revealed at the resurrection Luke 20: 34 and Roman’s 8:18. Men did not have the opportunity to be sons of God or adopted sons until Christ so the new testament cannot be used as context for Gen 6.
Once again Job is the context.
What about Enoch?? That is what this pertains to if you research Enoch. I respect anyone who shares The Bible. I just needed to express that this is pertaining to Enoch. The book that was removed from the Bible.
It was never IN the Bible.
The Book of Enoch teaches that the “Son of Man” is Enoch, not Jesus! How can you rely on it when it teaches a false Messiah? My Messiah is Jesus, not Enoch!
Wow. Now i need to clarify personally how true your interpretation is. Thank you. God bless you🙏🏾
It also makes sense because i think I recall there are parts of the bible that say something about angels not able to be given in marriage
Concise and to the point. Thanks sir
This is the absolute truth! My pastor taught us this , & Like the teacher said why would God punish man for what fallen angels did ?Also angels can’t reproduce they don’t have reproductive systems b/c they’re spiritual beings, great teaching sir !
Angels can take human form.
Hebrews 13:2
Everything the LORD created has seed and can reproduce, how did Jesus get here if sprits don't have seed?
This is interesting perspective but what about Jude 1:6-7?
According to Jesus himself we're all "sons of God," as he advises us to begin our prayer with "Our father who art in heaven."
This also parallels what happens to Solomon when he took wives from foreign lands. It leads to his downfall.
Exactly. Great point. This should be an example people use. Not Angels having sex with humans.
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR PUTTING THIS TOGETHER SO CLEARLY - AND HOW IT ALL FALLS INTO PLACE.
I also believe Jesus holds the key to understanding the text about the 'sons of God' marrying the daughters of men.
In John's Gospel chapter 10 verses 34 to 36 (when the Jews threatened to stone Jesus for claiming to be God) ...
" Jesus answered them, "Is it not written in your law, 'I have said you are gods'? ...... and goes on to say -
"IF HE CALLED THEM 'GODS' TO WHOM THE WORD OF GOD CAME - AND THE SCRIPTURE CANNOT BE BROKEN - what about the one whom the Father set apart on His very own and sent into the world ?"
To my mind this absolutely clarifies the whole subject, and I thank God that all we need to know is hidden in His Word.
Wonderful! Someone finally gets it right. I have had a personal Angel encounter and I know that angels can have masculine or feminine attributes but do not have reproductive abilities. They are spirit messagers to bear messages and minister to those who are to receive salvation. They are in full submission to God and are not to be worshiped.
Fascinating! I will be following….
Thanks!
This looks like an interesting analysis.
Where then do the Giants (Greek transliteration "Nephilims") in verse 4 come from?
The text doesn't really say. You could interpret the second part of v 4 to mean that at least some of them came from the unions between the sons of God and the daughters of men. The way they are described in Gen 6 as well as in Num 13 suggests that they are also humans.
The offspring of Kings, the immortals, his body guards and trained warriors, bullies stand overs, goliath was a Nephi, Idi amin , Hitler, etc etc, they are still with us and the world is still violent and woke< Putin hopefully not trump.
Godbless you for this presentation, SONS OF GOD" A for years study this matter who were the sons of God. Many a pastors some calvary chapel teach these were angels. I believed vaguely they were the line of Seth. I stumbled on youtude David Daniel of chic publication who I first encountered affirmed my belief that In the line Of Seth were the SONS of God. The SONS of God I now believed is an expression of a relationship with God. In Job there were Angels convening with God. You and the previous author have contributed a much better understanding. Thx. God bless you ministry.
Who are you? I can’t find a name to give credit in my teaching. This reminds me of John Sailhamer’s interpretation. I really appreciate that you point out the parallelism in the passage. That adds strength to the argument.
Thanks for your comment. I have definitely been influenced by Sailhamer in my approach. My name is Chris Vogel. I'm a theologian with a PhD in Old Testament Studies, currently serving in my home country of Germany.
Do you teach JUSTIFIED/saved/enter Heaven by faith eg Eph 2:8-8, Gal 2:16, Rom 4:5 or faith AND WORKS eg Acts 26:20 ?
Great exposition! More grace to carry on!
Thanks, appreciate it!
So your saying regular human being built pyramids and where are all the heavy equipment, our society today can't even constuct such structures,ARCH ANGELS ARE POWERFUL, ONE CAN SLEIGH 30 THOUSAND MEN , AND WHEN A FALLEN ANGEL APPROACHED YAHWEH, BEFORE ( JOB 1-2 ) SONS OF GOD IS SLANG FOR ANGELS
Anakiem , OG , GOLIATH..AS THE MUTATION DIED OFF .. A TAINTING FROM ARCH ANGELS IN REBLLION , THE PROFF IS PAGAN NATIONS WORSHIPED THESE REBELLIOUS ANGELS ...
Read your bible in context of the entirity , you may know GOSPEL, you may know about NOAH , BUT FROM BEGINNING UNTIL CHRIST RETURNS , YOUR INTERPRETATION IS A DUMBED DOWN VERSION BECAUSE OF THE AMBIGUITY OF ISSUE , NONETHELESS..CONNECT THE DOTS
I want to point out the Adam is called the "son of God" in Luke 3:38 which that the Genealogy of Adam is the godly line called the "sons of God" as you point in Matthew 5:9 and Romans 8:14.
How did the giants and "mighty men of renown" (sounds like the Greek titans) come about? Was the line of Seth and the line of Cain so genetically incompatible that the offspring would grow into literal giants and titans?
Thanks for your question! The text does not clearly specify the origin of the giants. It simply says that they were on the earth in those days and (possibly) that they were mighty men and men of renown (if "these" in v 4 is referring back to the giants). They are part of a theme of human greatness that begins in v 1 and climaxes in v 5 with God's assessment that the wickedness of man was great.
If God regretting making mankind (in His image) did He ever state that he regretted making the serpent/Devil/Satan?
This passage is clearly talking about fallen angels creating giants. There’s lots of supporting passages throughout the bible. The writers of these biblical books would have viewed the world this way.
@@MasterpieceBible The problem is Moses the Author of Genesis clearly is calling them Giants. They become Men of renown because of their strength and they were respected as warriors. Num clearly calls the Nephilim giants. Whether they were in the towns or not the spies called them Nephilim and that they were huge in stature , not important men. Moses was also the author of numbers. He clearly gives the definition of Nephilim from Gen 6 in Numbers.
If the giants were the exclusive result of inbreeding between angels and women then why does the Septuagint use the same word for the nephilim & mighty men (γίγαντες - giants) in Genesis 6 as it does to describe Nimrod (γίγας - giant) in Genesis 10? We know that Nimrod was not fathered by an angel because he was the great grandson of Noah.
Genesis 10:8-9 Cush was the father of Nimrod, who began to be a mighty one on the earth. He was a mighty hunter before the LORD; so it is said, “Like Nimrod, a mighty hunter before the LORD.”
Thank you!
Chris, do you not know there is a spiritual battle going on? Culminating at the end of days.. the day of the Lord..?
Great video, I love that scripture defines the scripture without wild speculation. I love that you mentioned God's definition of 'sons of God'.
~ Romans 8:14; "For all who are being led by the Spirit of God, these are sons of God."
Is there evidence that God's Spirit was leading in Genesis 6?
~ Genesis 6:2-3; ... the ‘sons of God’ saw that the ‘daughters of men’ were beautiful; and they took wives for themselves, whomever they chose. ‘Then’ the LORD said, “My ‘Spirit’ shall not ‘ABIDE’ with ‘MAN’ forever, because he also is flesh; nevertheless, his days shall be one hundred and twenty years.”
Why does God immediately proclaim that He is removing His 'Spirit' from ‘MAN’?
Because God will not share His glory with another pagan false god. What fellowship has light with darkness?
~ Deuteronomy 7:3-4; "Furthermore, you shall not intermarry with them; you shall not give your daughters to their sons, nor shall you take their daughters for your sons. For they will turn your sons away from following Me to serve other gods; Then the anger of the Lord will be kindled against you, and He will quickly destroy you."
Very interesting. Had not noticed that before. Thanks for sharing!
So clear & simple!..
The angels were punished and are bound in chains and are mentioned in Jude. There is also mention of this in first Peter.
Who were the Sons of Anak?
Who were the watchers?
Second Peter, yes. This guy totally missed the point.
this is how i understand it too, but i didnt know what to do with these (sons of God) in Job, I imagine these are angels? any thoughts?
The text doesn't specify who the sons of God in Job are, but it's likely that they are supernatural beings. However, as I tried to show in the video, sonship to God in the Bible (including the Old Testament) is not restricted to supernatural beings. Already Gen 5 implies that Adam is a son of God, later Israel is explicitly called God's son as well as Solomon, to name just a few. And of course the texts in the New Testament. So the Bible itself indicates that sons of God can be humans. So then we have to look at the context and in Gen 6 I believe the context suggests that it refers to humans. In Job, on the other hand, it suggests that it refers to supernatural beings.
@@MasterpieceBible Thank you for responding. this i my understanding too, I think too often people over simplify the themes or perhaps as you point out overlook context. youve taught me a few valuable things, God bless. keep up the good work!
@@MasterpieceBible i agree with you. thank you for taking time to answer questions. Its really helpful, and it helps with these minor hurdles in our studies.
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Thank you for reading your bible and sharing what you believe. One day we will all stand before God himself and give an account of our actions here on earth, including the information we may have shared with others.
Please take a look at the term "sons of God" again. It appears twice in Genesis and three times in the book of Job. They all speak of angels or heavenly beings that have direct access to God. Mankind does not have this access in the old testiment (read Luke 16). In the new testiment mankind is given the power to be called "sosn of God" through Jesus.
Soooo good ❤
I love your insights and reasonings but not convinced about the BENE ELOHIM. Also I'm considering what 1Peter 3 and Jude say about the angels who left their domain.
Accurate! This is exactly how the Lord revealed it to me as well. This Enochian Magic released by those who are deceived by it’s heretic book called Enoch” must pray that they would allow God to open up their understanding and preach the truth of God’s Word and not fables.
Bless you man of God.
As “heretical” and “magical” that you yourself are calling it, Jude actually quoted it. So, although the entirety of the book isn’t divinely inspired, therefore disallowing it to be included in the canon, some of it is true and is included in our Bible today(1 Enoch 1:9 talking about the Second Coming of Christ). All authors of the New Testament knew about Enoch and his writings and I don’t believe it should be considered “magic” as if demonic in nature. ESPECIALLY if you haven’t taken the time to read it yourself. Not saying you haven’t but hopefully you aren’t making these claims based upon what others have said.
Also, prudence and caution should be used when claiming the Lord revealed something like this to you, especially if I would say the Lord revealed the other interpretation to me. Not that you don’t hear from the Lord or spend much time in His Word or can’t hear from Him, but I’ve also done the same and have studied the original language as well and seem to come to a different conclusion.
I hope this does not sound like an attack of any kind, brother, just wanted to share my thoughts on it! God bless man!
Genesis 4 and 5 were the missing links to Genesis 6 that we needed here. Context is everything and these 2 verses explain two different geneologies mixing in Genesis 6. I cant believe how twisted people make Genesis 6 out to be with Angels. Angels are spirits not flesh and bone. Malachi 3:1 prophesies a messenger in John the Baptist who was born of flesh and bone from a (woman). To say Genesis 19:1 were Angels from heaven in the flesh is a farce. Messengers (Angels) are helpers and appear in scripture as messengers but messengers in the flesh are men messengers. There are other verses that prove men born of a woman were messengers in numerous places and not Angels. Great vid! Shalom!
Angels can take on human form, like the ones who rescue Lot. The men of Sodom told Lot to bring them out so they could have sex with them. Of course, their plan was thwarted, but it was a possibility.
Nice Praise the Lord
Very well done
Go the book of Job and find out who "sons of God" are. How do giants come from regular men?
Amazing
I think that the significance of the term 'Son's of God' still point to something of the divine council. But you certainly made a good case. And point out some important ways to cross reference scripture. Thanks
I saw someone say 1st Enoch interpretation is that they were angels?
Thank you for this video. I really appreciate you identifying the parallel literary passages and literary structures, which shed light on this difficult passage.
I find the comparison with the temptation of Eve particularly interesting, because she was being tempted by a real physical serpent....but also Satan, an angelic being. Did Satan manifest as a snake, or possess the snake? Perhaps you have a video on that, I shall peruse your catalogue. However, since you yourself draw a parallel to the passage with Eve. It is interesting that the passage involves an angelic being employing a physical form to tempt and corrupt....a woman.
I also felt that you brushed over the main verse, which contains the word Nephilim, with a gloss regarding corruption and growing wickedness, without addressing the specific construction regarding the presence of the Nephilim...are the Nephilim equivalent to the sons of God....if so how, and why does Scripture employ such an obscure word here?
How are we to think about Peter's reference to angels in 2 Peter 2:4, immediately followed by v3 dealing with the flood and Noah?
I think you make some great points, but maybe there is more to discover here?
Why didn't you mention the giants? You left out the most important part - indeed, the very reason God sent the flood - these giants had to be killed off.
I don’t think a discussion of the giants is necessary for identifying the sons of God. As for the reason why God sent the flood, I’m going to stick with what the text says.
@@MasterpieceBible Well, the giants are here in this text - you're just conveniently leaving them out. And as it says "afterwards", the flood didn't do the whole job - we have them show up when Joshua led the Israelites into Caanan, we also have Goliath, and Og - the last of the giants. Best go back and give this a fresh look.
So the Sons of God appear elsewhere, and in one case are even called "gods." (Psalm 82:6) Deuteronomy 32:8 says the nations were divided by the number of the Sons of God. Daniel talks about how all the princes (sons of the King) except Michael have turned against the Most High (Daniel 10:21)
The Sethite view only comes about because of St. Augustine.
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Sir i have question please explain it 🙏🙏
Genesis 6: 4 there are gaints in earth ??
Yes, these seem to have been people of exceptional size and strength. The heroes of ancient times. Yet various scholars have also associated the term "nephilim" with the Hebrew word "naphal" (to fall) and suggested that it means "the fallen ones". In light of the immediate context and the allusions to the fall in 6:2 the author may be conveying both ideas here: physical size and strength, yet moral fallenness.
The other context being fallen angels actually makes more sense considering the sons of God mentioned in Job 1 and Job 37 obviously represents spiritual beings. Also the depravity brought in by this unholy union was passed on through the giants that played a major part in leading the nations away from Yahweh to follow the other gods. Babylon was founded and influenced by these nephelim. They introduced brutality into human society and used their power and superiority to deceive the people that lived under their rule. The angels chained in the underworld are these.angels.that left this normal.aboad.
Yes! Yes! Yes! Finally somebody here gets it!
Mmmmm, nah I still think the 'sons of God' had to be spiritual beings. They are also mentioned in Job 1: "Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan also came among them." I imagine these had to be spiritual beings if they were able to present themselves before the Lord.
It doesn't make sense for Genesis 6 to mean sons of Seth or any kind of human sons. If that were the case, why is there a contrast between the 'sons of God' and the 'daughters of men'? As if these are strictly two different beings - supernatural beings and human women. Plus it says "that the sons of God saw the daughters of men, that they were beautiful" as if these human women were a new thing to them, as opposed to human men who were already aware of beautiful women and sexual intercourse.
Initially, the bloodline of Seth would have intentionally created distance between the two groups in order to not fall under their influence. But as time went on, and as always happens, the descendents of Seth relaxed their concerns and began to not see the necessity for remaining isolated. No doubt the line of Cain had merchandise that would prove helpful. The women from that line would have dressed more provocative and more sensual and would have been more flirtatious then the more modest women from the line of Seth. The men essentially let down their guard and perhaps there was even some organized plan by the Cain line to have their females seduce the "sons of God" and marry them for some advantage.
@@truthbebold4009 No, it doesn't make any sense for the sons of God to be the sons of Seth. Why from Seth's line in particular would there need to be giants and strong men? Again, Job talks about the sons of God being there when Satan went to speak to him. I don't think they were Seth's sons.
Wrong answer. Good men would not take wicked woman as wives as they see fit, it makes no sense. The union of good men and wicked women should not produce giants or something called Nephilim! They all have human genes. Also, you did not look at the historical context. In second temple period, all Jewish people know that sons of God are fallen angles. They also know the 1 Enoch explained Gen 6 in detail. Sons of God were also mentioned in Job, it means angles.
Why are you afraid of the MOST LIKELY truth: "fallen angels"? Why does this bother you, and so many others? You accept all of the other parts of the Bible, too include bodily ressurections, and parting of seas and mana from the clouds, but not this? Genesis, Exodus, Numbers, Job, Daniel, Jude, Peter, Matthew, Luke, Revelations and others, too include the popular book of Enoch of course would disagree with you. Very curious. . . .
They gatekeeping, clearly.
What bothers them is the idea that angels/demons can manifest as humans and have SEX! Contrary to the idea that angels are sexless.
@@lr-musicfun9462 Jude 1:6 makes a reference to this event, "And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day." And also 2 Peter 2:4-5, "For God did not spare even the angels who sinned. He threw them into hell, in gloomy pits of darkness, where they are being held until the day of judgment. And God did not spare the ancient world-except for Noah and the seven others in his family.
Okay but what about Job 1:6 “ Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan came also among them.”
Yep agreed also job 38:7
@Markdivinus; Hi Mark, Hebrews 1 hints that angels are never called sons of God, and Jesus mentions that in the days of Noah people were eating, drinking, marrying and then the flood came and took them all away. I find it odd that Jesus would not mention angel/women unions when talking about marriages and the flood, He would know if this were true.
The passages in Job are disputed because the LXX translated 'angels' and the Masoretic Hebrew has 'sons of God' here. The spacing of the text shows Job 1 & 2 as normal text, but Job 38 is spaced as a song or poem would be.
~ Job 1: 3-5; When the days of feasting had completed their cycle, Job would send and CONSECRATE them (Job's sons), rising up early in the morning and offering burnt offerings according to the number of them all; for Job said, “Perhaps my sons have sinned and cursed God in their hearts.” Thus, Job did continually. Now there was a day when the 'sons of God' came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan also came among them. The LORD said to Satan, “From where do you come?” Then Satan answered the LORD and said, “From roaming about on the earth and walking around on it.”
(Summary)
~ Job and his sons (Godly men 'sons of God') are 'CONSECRATED', presenting themselves before God with ‘BURNT’ offerings (sin offerings for sanctification, but burnt offerings are complete submission to God). Satan was among them on earth. God asked Satan and he said he was on earth. The next four verses Satan describes Job’s hedge of protection, his blessings and riches etc. Satan has been there with Job.
~ This isn't angels presenting themselves to God in heaven, this is Job on earth, with his sons called ‘sons of God’.
Consecrate: to induct a person into permanent office with a religious rite i.e., to ordain the office of Bishop. To make or declare sacred, to devote irrevocably to the worship of God by a solemn ceremony.
~ This next passage is NOT a historical account of creation but a poetic allegory with much symbolism unless God has the earth supported by a physical foundation and cornerstone. God spoke creation into existence and the earth is free floating in space. Where there is symbolism look for Jesus.
~ John 5:39; “You search the Scriptures because you think that in them you have eternal life; it is these that testify about Me;”
~ Job 38:6-7; Or who ‘LAID’ its 'CORNERSTONE'?
'WHEN' the morning stars sang together
and all the sons of God shouted for joy?
~ What is the 'cornerstone' or who is the ‘cornerstone’? JESUS
~ 'WHEN' was the 'cornerstone' laid? AT PENTECOST WHEN THE CHURCH BEGAN.
~ Isaiah 28:16; "Therefore thus says the Lord GOD, “Behold, I am 'LAYING' in Zion a stone, a tested stone, A costly ‘CORNERSTONE’ for the foundation, firmly placed. He who believes in it will not be disturbed."
~ Zechariah 10:3-4; "For the LORD of hosts has visited His flock, the house of Judah and will make them like His majestic horse in battle. “From them 'WILL COME' the ‘CORNERSTONE’."
~ Psalm 118:22; The stone the builders rejected has become the 'CORNERSTONE';
~ Matthew 21:42; Jesus said to them, “Have you never read in the Scriptures: ‘The stone the builders rejected has become the 'CORNERSTONE'; the Lord has done this, and it is marvelous in our eyes'?
~ Mark 12:10; Haven't you read this passage of Scripture: ‘The stone the builders rejected has become the 'CORNERSTONE';
~ Luke 20:17; Jesus looked directly at them and asked, “Then what is the meaning of that which is written: ‘The stone the builders rejected has become the 'CORNERSTONE'?
~ Acts 4:11; Jesus is ‘the stone you builders rejected, which has become the 'CORNERSTONE'.
~ Ephesians 2:20; built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, with Christ Jesus himself as the chief CORNERSTONE'.
~ 1Peter 2:6-7; For in Scripture it says: “See, I lay a stone in Zion, a chosen and precious 'CORNERSTONE', and the one who trusts in him will never be put to shame.” Now to you who believe, this stone is precious. But to those who do not believe, “The stone the builders rejected has become the 'CORNERSTONE',”
~ Who are the morning stars? ANGELS
~ Revelation 1:20; “As for the mystery of the seven stars which you saw in My right hand, and the seven golden lampstands: the seven ‘STARS ARE ANGELS’ of the seven churches, and the seven lampstands are the seven churches."
~ Who are the sons of God shouted for joy? GODLY PEOPLE
A word search in the Bible (NASB) for ‘shout for joy, shouted for joy, shouting for joy’ reveals: 'people' shouting for joy 14 times, 'nature' (hills, meadows trees etc.) 3 times, and 'angels' shouting for joy 0 times (if Job 38 is angels, then that would be angels 1, people 13, nature 3).
Totally agree!!! You got it my friend
Thanks ...first person I agree with ...non of the farfetch fallen angel stereotypes. Hallelujah flesh and blood can't reveal it to you ...
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I think that analyzing this question shows why we have to be very careful about "academic" translations of the Bible from Hebrew. Many Bible translators have been accused, for example, of changing the translation of "virgin' to "young lady" to water down the power of the message of Christ's birth. That even though the context of the story of Mary is that she had never had relations with a man before she gave birth to Jesus.
Getting back to this question of the interpretation of "sons of God", depending on which Bible translation you use, Job 1:6 is translated as either "sons of God" or "angels". To the credit of the NIV, it has a footnote that states that the original Hebrew word directly translates to, "sons of God". King James Version leaves Job 1:6 as, "sons of God". The "sons of God" appeared before God, and Satan went with them.
Combining this with Genesis 6, I suggest that it makes more sense to infer that the sons of God were heavenly beings with earthly bodies.
Cain was human. Intermarriages between humans don't result in giants. The offspring of the sons of God and daughters of men resulted in giant offspring. The descendants of whom included Goliath. So marrying a daughter of Cain, if the daughter acknowledged and gave reverence to God, was not necessarily a sin. Many children acknowledge the mistakes of their parents, and do not necessarily do what their parents did. The Bible does not talk much about ladies. So there is no way of knowing if all the wives of Noah and his sons were only of the bloodline of just Abel and Seth, with no contribution from Cain.
Thus, my opinion is that, "sons of God" are heavenly beings with earthly bodies. They were in the world before the flood, and also afterward.
You're right. Angels do take human appearance and attributes as can be read in whole Genesis 19, "Be not forgetful to entertain strangers: for thereby some have entertained angels unawares" We can say Hebrews 13:2 KJV testifies to this Genesis encounter, but it is more than likely refering to the story of Tobit, who was fully unaware of the "heavenly" nature of his host, angel Raphael, unlike Abraham, Lot and the evil population who knew who the "men" were in Genesis.
And in all those "bodily" incursions, free will do apply for all creation.
And Genesis 6 is unambiguous about who did what. 1 Enoch gives more details about it, and also their subsequent judgement, 2 Peter and Jude refers to angels being in chains of darkness for going agaisnt their order. Drawing clearly from Enoch.
As for me, i used to trust these types of scholars, like hey they should know better, but i realised they're gate keepers, knowingly or not, keeping folks from receiving the whole Truth, as written somewhere in Mathew 23 i think.
Everything becomes clear once you start asking yourself "what writings were Peter, Jude, Hebrews, Marc and other epistle writers using/preaching out of?" 1. Enoch, Jubilees, 2. Esdras, Tobit are clearly among them, full of concepts and principles quoted by them and Jesus Himself!
Some say Jesus said angels mary not, and don't multiply. It's true of course, they're not meant to, as long as they are in heaven in they're angelic form. But once they take a bodily appearance, they also inherit the characteristics, and can experience what that body is submitted to here on earth. That's the context of Genesis 6.
Thank you sir
Brother. You let me down here. For a textual study you unfortunately got this wrong. If you are correct then I should take a pen and scratch Peter and Jude where they talk about divine beings being punished for this incursion
Don't scratch them. Instead go back and study them carefully. Just because some people say that they are referring to this narrative, doesn't mean that they actually are.
@@MasterpieceBible Please explain these then.. are "gods" here mere men?
Exodus 12:12
12 “On that same night I will pass through Egypt and strike down every firstborn of both people and animals, and I will bring judgment on all the gods of Egypt. I am the Lord.
and this then.. are the "sun, moon and stars" mere men?
Deut 4:19-20
19 And when you look up to the sky and see the sun, the moon and the stars-all the heavenly array-do not be enticed into bowing down to them and worshiping things the Lord your God has apportioned to all the nations under heaven. 20 But as for you, the Lord took you and brought you out of the iron-smelting furnace, out of Egypt, to be the people of his inheritance, as you now are.
Excellent !
This is a fascinating topic, one we can agree to disagree on without being rude or nasty. Here is what two of my favorite scholars have to say on this topic.
The term "sons of God" (Heb. beney' ha- Elohim) is used in the Old Testament of either angels or men who were true believers, committed to the service of God. Passages that refer to angels as beney' ha- Elohim include Job 1:6; 2:1; 38:7 Psalms 29:1; 89:6 (89:7 MT). The Masoretic text does not contain this phrase in Deuteronomy 32:43, but a fragment of a Hebrew text found in Qumran cave 4 reads: "Shout joyously O heavens, with Him, and worship Him O sons of God [beney' ha- Elohim] and ascribed to him might, all you sons of the mighty [bênê 'Ēlîm]. Shout joyously, O nations, concerning His people, and accord strength to Him, all you angels of God [malakhey Elohim]." This is considerably more expanded than the received Hebrew text (MT) of this verse, but it may possibly be the original wording. It was probably the passage quoted in Hebrews 1:6--- though Psalm 97:7 may also be the source for that verse. But the occurrences of beney' ha- Elohim referring to men standing in covenant relationship to God are fully as numerous in the Old Testament as those referring to angels (cf. Deut. 14:1; 32:5; Ps. 73:15; Hos. 1:10 [MT=2:10] ---and we believe Gen. 6:2 as well) The reasons for understanding Genesis 6:2 as referring to members of the covenant family, descendants of the line of Seth, are quite compelling. Scripture clearly teaches that angels are spirits, "ministering spirits sent to serve those who will inherit salvation" (Hebrews 1:14, NIV) While they may on occasion appear in bodily form in the semblance of men, they have no physical bodies and are therefore utterly incapable of carnal relations with women. The rabbinic speculation that angels are referred to in Genesis 6:2 is a curious intrusion of pagan superstition that has no basis at all in the rest of Scripture. The fact that some children of gigantic stature (v.4) resulted from these marriages offers no evidence whatever of angelic paternity. No one claims that the sons of Anak, Goliath and his brothers had any angelic forebears because of their great stature; nor is there any reason to suppose that of the antediluvian giants had supernatural forebears.
What Genesis chapter 6:1-2,4 records is the first occurrence of mixed marriage between believers and unbelievers, with a characteristic result of such unions: complete loss of testimony for the Lord and a total surrender of moral standards. In other words, the "sons of God" in this passage were descendants of the godly line of Seth. Instead of remaining true to God and loyal to their spiritual heritage, they allowed themselves to be enticed by the beauty of ungodly women who were "daughters of men"--- that is, of the tradition and example of Cain. The natural result of such marriages was a debasement of nature on the part of the younger generations, until the entire antediluvian civilization sank to the lowest depths of depravity. The Lord saw how great man's wickedness on the earth had become, and that every inclination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil all the time" (v.5, NIV). The inevitable result was judgment, the terrible destruction of the Great Flood.
Perhaps one last comment regarding angels would be in order here. If we were to concede that spirits could somehow enter into sexual relations with human beings---which they cannot---then they could not even so be fitted in with this passage here. If they were minions of Satan, that is, fallen angels, then they could not have been referred to as "sons of God." Demons of hell would never be so designated in Scripture. Nor could they have been angels of God, since God's angels always live in total obedience to Him and have no other yearning or desire but to do God's will and glorify His name. A sordid involvement with godless young women would therefore be completely out of character for angels as "sons of God." The only viable explanation therefore, is that the sons of God were descendants of the godly line of Seth.
Dr. Gleason L. Archer, Jr.
Encyclopedia of Bible Difficulties pp. 79-80
Some interpreters claim that in the Old Testament the phrase “sons of God” always refers to angels. The phrase is used in Hosea 1:10 to refer to humans, but advocates of the angels view argue that this phrase cannot mean the same thing as it does in Genesis 6 because Hosea used the singular form of the word “God,” El, whereas the writer of Genesis 6 used the plural form, Elohim. The assumption here is that because these passages do not use precisely the same terms, they are not referring to the same thing. This assumption is incorrect, however, because different words are often used to refer to the same thing. The words El and Elohim are frequently used interchangeably in the Old Testament, and there is no doubt that both passages refer to God. It is not the case, therefore, that “sons of God” always refers to angels.
Most advocates of the angels view point to Job 1:6 and 2:1 to support their claim that “sons of God” refers to angels. They argue that since it refers to angels in Job, then it also refers to angels in Genesis 6. In this case the assumption is the opposite of the one above; that is, these passages must refer to the same thing simply because they use the same terms. This is not necessarily true, however. Words or phrases often mean different things or are used differently in different contexts. The phrase “Son of Man,” for example, refers to Ezekiel in the book of Ezekiel, but in the Gospels it refers to Jesus. One must demonstrate from the context of the passages in Genesis and Job that “sons of God” means the same thing in both passages and not simply assume this is the case because the words are the same.
The passages in Job are also used to argue that “sons of God” refers to fallen angels. There is nothing in these passages, however, that indicates that they are fallen angels. Job 1:6, for example, says, “the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan also came among them.”1 Satan was not one of the sons of God, but came in “among them.” In Job, the reference to the “sons of God” does not include fallen angels such as Satan. Additionally, it seems very unlikely that the expression “sons of God” would be used to refer to fallen angels. This argument incorrectly assumes that the two passages are referring to the same thing simply because they use the same terms.
Other commentators appeal to Jude 6-7 to support their contention that the “sons of God” were unfallen or heavenly angels who then fell because they had sexual relations with female humans. They argue that Jude compared the prideful fallen angels to the sexually immoral people of Sodom and Gomorrah. The problem with this assertion is that it assumes what it must prove. Proponents of this argument use their interpretation of Genesis 6 to understand Jude, and then use their understanding of Jude to support their interpretation of Genesis 6. This is circular reasoning.
The angels view also assumes that angels can have sexual relations with female humans. Bruce Waltke points out, however, “This interpretation…contradicts Jesus’ statement that angels do not marry (Matt. 22:30; Mark 12:25). It is one thing for angels to eat and drink (see Gen. 19:1-3), but quite another to marry and reproduce.”2 Some interpreters respond that Jesus was referring only to the marriage contract and not to the marriage bed, but this makes Jesus’ statement nonsensical in its own context. Jesus was responding to the question about having a marital relation resulting in children, and He clearly denied that heavenly angels can have sexual relations.
Other defenders respond that Jesus is referring to angels in heaven, whereas Genesis 6 is referring to fallen angels. The problem with this explanation is that prior to having sexual relations with female humans, these fallen angels must have been unfallen, heavenly angels; but Jesus said heavenly angels could not have sexual relations, and, therefore, they could not have committed the very act that is supposed to have caused them to fall. Furthermore, this view not only assumes that unfallen angels can have sexual relations with female humans but also that it is necessarily sinful. No commentator has attempted to prove this assumption.
Dr. Thomas A. Howe
Professor of Bible and Biblical Languages, Southern Evangelical Seminary
Thanks for sharing those quotes. Some good points.
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Thanks for the video... and channel.
What about the giants? Where did they come from?
Wow.... that's incredible.
Thank you, man 🙏🏽
My pleasure!
Thanks so much you made it clear ❤
You‘re welcome!