Well they both are right and wrong. Ideally you need a mix of big name players who are older with new but talented players. Then it's the clubs job to hype up and market the small names as much as possible to keep interest after the big names leave and maybe sell some to get back money spent.
exactly, if the mls isn’t able to promote their own homegrown talent it’s going to be tough to grow the league, there’s also the reality where the good young talent of the mls end up going to europe which is good and bad
If mls is constantly able to pump out star players, then a bunch of big names leaving won't be an issue and will only generate revenue. Also more and more people will end up watching. Its like how dortmund has become alot more popular recently cause of haaland and jude. Alot easier said than done tho. You also need to fix the salary cap in MLS so you can actually keep generational talents longer.
@@bamdad19996 Dortmund are on a downward curve of popularity since 2012-13. Their recent popularity has nothing to do with Haaland or Jude. They dont attract enough people to particularly affect the popularity of a clun the size of Dortmund.
@sugarkookiewithsometae4245 how do you know what caused their recent popularity then? People watched the for their players. That's always been the case. You're wrong as in the same sentence you debunked yourself. You literally admitted they are recently popular
@@bamdad19996 Dortmund have always been popular. Recently, 10 years ago and 30 years ago, they were always popular, made the most or second most revenue in Germany and had the 2nd biggest fanbase in Germany for 40-50 years. There is nothing "recent" about their popularity. They have always been popular.
Idk about Inter Miami, but Barca and PSG should be ashamed of themselves. The fans of these two teams should be ashamed of their franchises as well. Messi blessed PSG fans with phenomenal football and the fans and management both backstabbed him. With Barca, I understand the fans and they appreciated and loved him, however, Barca management backstabbed the GOAT so many times. Finally Messi is free. In my mind, Messi is now officially semi retired when he likely would have played another 2-3 years in Europe if PSG or Barca treated him with more respect like he deserved.
@@stevenygabbyperez695 being rich is not the goal for the MLS. im sure the nfl would love to be as popular around the world but that means brininging high end stars to the mls ... i wont be surprise in the future the mls being top 3 in the world with no cap and teams have complete control.. futbol is meant be world wide and right now MLS isnt top 3 in the world.
@@danielhuynh9368 You will never get young world class players playing in the MLS if the cap exists. The oil nations have an infinite money glitch going on rn which they can just snag all the old heads from europe and even some of the young talents.
The salary cap must be raised and they should increase the number of DP slots. But this guy is insane to think it will help the league to turn MLS intro he European system where you have two dominant teams year after year. Nobody will watch it then. The problem with MLS now is there is too much parity. We need more competition and marquee talent and slightly less parity.
3:01 does he hear what he's saying? That's exactly the problem with US sports in general. Double the salary cap, but keep it, to keep the league competitive. Change the current system into two leagues. A and B. 4 promotions, 4 relegations. Otherwise, like you say, it won't ever matter.
For the MLS to grow, each team needs 1 or 2 old world class players from europe. Cause of the salary cap, they need some more big names to compete against Messi. Messi is sick but if you can get more teams with some big names it would be more watchable.
What's funny too is that those capitalist leagues are the biggest leagues in the world and that's what MLS wants to become. Without the capitalism of course.
Dont get rid of the cap, our leagues(nba,nfl,nhl) thrive and have parity bc of the salary cap. European leagues are in financial dismay bc of this and only a few teams win.
@@__nm10 I that believe as the league grows the salary cap will increase naturally like it has been year over year and I agree 5 to 6 DPs would be great.
@@sixfiftychris To me this is what has failed at makin MLS big in this country. They keep trying to court fans like this guy who are only interested in big names and spectacle. These kinds of fans are the first ones to leave when things get rough.
Guy in orange obviously hasn't followed MLS a day in his life. All of his suggestions ruin what MLS is. Raising the cap is good, but eliminating it will ruin the parity of our league. He knows not what he speaks.
The MLS needs to stop trying to Americanize A sport that isn't American. Do what the other countries are doing, relegation. No salary cap and bring the quality up. That's the goal anyways when Messi leaves
Personally I don't think anyone can tell you what the cap should be in the Messi era because this "Messi effect" is too big to quantify. I say MLS suspend the salray cap through this next window and reinstall a new cap befor the next window, once they can better understand the situation. No one is going to break the league in one transfer window.
Have a relegation system, period. That's how the MLS can compete with other leagues, otherwise people will see the MLS as it is now, a business that cares nothing about the fans.
While I understand in Europe, it might a bit too early to relegate teams in USA. The truth is, they don't have enough money and owners and relegating a team means the money lost and owner lost. In Europe this is fine cause another owner can just take over and if the team promotes again, make insane amount of money however in MLS, that could mean the end of the team. Mls needs around double or more teams that it has now so teams can be relegated and still be competitive in lower leagues.
As a true football fan i watch europe and south America and now mls but mls is only because of messi reason i dont really watch other leagues is cause they are just wanting to buy names rather than make them will always keep track of football no matter what but football is about passion not about money and you wont find better passion for football than Europe and south America why do you think its the only 2 continents that have ever won a world cup because they grew talent they other continents just buy because they came in to late P.s Africa also gets a pass might not have won a world cup but definitely the 3rd most passionate continent about football might not have money but they damn sure have the passion 😊😊
Getting rid of the cap is absolute insanity. You don't need to do that. Just get rid of all of the roster mechanisms, raise the cap to about $50 million per team, and keep the U-23 player rule intact that stipulates that young players under 23 do not count against the cap. One and done.
This is where a cap needs to happen, on ticket sales. If MLS pay $$$$$$$$ for Messi, where do you think they're going to regain that money? The fan who is used to paying ~$40 for a regular season match.
If we get rid of salary cap then everything that makes this league so much more enjoyable than the rest of the world goes away because it’ll be run by the big teams with big money just like every other soccer league in existence. The entire purpose of the salary cap is to prevent super teams like Real Madrid, Byron Munich, Manchester City, etc.
Since MLS isn't even top 2 most popular soccer league in its own country after 29 years of parity maybe getting rid of the salary cap might work. MLS fans keep talking about parity but when has parity ever translated to increase TV ratings and fan support? MLS has been growing steadily in spite of having parity not because of it. If parity was so important and desirable MLS would be one of the top leagues in the world.
Come on. I like how the Saudis/Qataris can't just come in and buy themselves a champion. All things *money* being equal, here in America the organizations or franchises with the most competent decision makers usually win the day. European football is vulture capitalism. Even as their larger socio-economic system is socialist. American professional sports/socio-economics are the polar opposite. Wait. I guess I would like America to be more like Europe. Because I'm a bleeding heart liberal when it comes to social justice but a foaming at the mouth fanatic when it comes to sports.
hopefully this time MLS and American fans will learn that trying to attract US fans to soccer through big names is not the way. People need to care about the league and their clubs regardless of having big names
There needs to be pro-rel. the MLS and USL should try to figure something out to where the bottom 2 or 3 MLS teams of the east and west get sent down and 2 or 3 of the top teams in USL east and west come up. Keep the conferences for sure because our country is too big to have no conferences but add some sort of pro-rel system so teams have something to constantly play for and fans have something to stay focused on
Remove the salary cap and introduce two divisions with 15 teams each. The bottom 2 teams in the upper division will be relegated and top 2 teams in lower division promoted. So what if say 5 teams end up dominating the upper division. This has happened already in most leagues all over the world and it has not made any of those leagues any less viable. It is these dominating teams that attract the most talent to their respective leagues and when top talent flows in, others will follow. Lower ranked teams will strive hard to break into the top 5 tier some day (just as Man City has eventually done in the EPL) so long as the league creates incentives to do so. Stop all this even playing field nonsense. The only criteria should be that a team remains profitable. That's the capitalist way to success.
Lol Messi is the best player in the world but want go to Miami. All clubs want him but he select go to Miami. Messi win all, don t need more. Barcelona and Premier League Teams want him, PSG want he renov contract but he is tired of heavy competition
TAM stands for targeted allocation money. These letters stand for the two types of allocation money that are used to buy and sell players, and balance budgets, in MLS.
Messi Has the Goat effect he definitely Will make the Mls More popular
Bringing Messi is the sweetest and smartest move for the WHOLE league.
Period.
Well they both are right and wrong. Ideally you need a mix of big name players who are older with new but talented players. Then it's the clubs job to hype up and market the small names as much as possible to keep interest after the big names leave and maybe sell some to get back money spent.
exactly, if the mls isn’t able to promote their own homegrown talent it’s going to be tough to grow the league, there’s also the reality where the good young talent of the mls end up going to europe which is good and bad
If mls is constantly able to pump out star players, then a bunch of big names leaving won't be an issue and will only generate revenue. Also more and more people will end up watching. Its like how dortmund has become alot more popular recently cause of haaland and jude.
Alot easier said than done tho. You also need to fix the salary cap in MLS so you can actually keep generational talents longer.
@@bamdad19996 Dortmund are on a downward curve of popularity since 2012-13. Their recent popularity has nothing to do with Haaland or Jude. They dont attract enough people to particularly affect the popularity of a clun the size of Dortmund.
@sugarkookiewithsometae4245 how do you know what caused their recent popularity then? People watched the for their players. That's always been the case. You're wrong as in the same sentence you debunked yourself. You literally admitted they are recently popular
@@bamdad19996 Dortmund have always been popular. Recently, 10 years ago and 30 years ago, they were always popular, made the most or second most revenue in Germany and had the 2nd biggest fanbase in Germany for 40-50 years. There is nothing "recent" about their popularity. They have always been popular.
Idk about Inter Miami, but Barca and PSG should be ashamed of themselves. The fans of these two teams should be ashamed of their franchises as well. Messi blessed PSG fans with phenomenal football and the fans and management both backstabbed him. With Barca, I understand the fans and they appreciated and loved him, however, Barca management backstabbed the GOAT so many times. Finally Messi is free. In my mind, Messi is now officially semi retired when he likely would have played another 2-3 years in Europe if PSG or Barca treated him with more respect like he deserved.
Messi will help MLS match or surpass Liga MX in the next 3-5 years
Without relegation its.impossible
@@infolibertad_1 people don’t know how important this is
Increased the salary cap and that's one of the biggest things they can do.
The average MLS Payroll DOUBLES every 5 or 6 years.
Good luck for professional soccer in US, greetings from Peru, surely any club here could bring Messi to this league
The end goal is the get rid off the cap.
But it order for the league to grow they need balance.
I hope the cap never goes away. The goal should never be get rid of the cap but to heighten it to an NFL level.
The goal is definitely not to get rid of the cap. Even the NFL has a cap, and they are by far the richest league in the world.
@@stevenygabbyperez695 being rich is not the goal for the MLS. im sure the nfl would love to be as popular around the world but that means brininging high end stars to the mls ... i wont be surprise in the future the mls being top 3 in the world with no cap and teams have complete control.. futbol is meant be world wide and right now MLS isnt top 3 in the world.
@@danielhuynh9368 You will never get young world class players playing in the MLS if the cap exists. The oil nations have an infinite money glitch going on rn which they can just snag all the old heads from europe and even some of the young talents.
The salary cap must be raised and they should increase the number of DP slots. But this guy is insane to think it will help the league to turn MLS intro he European system where you have two dominant teams year after year. Nobody will watch it then. The problem with MLS now is there is too much parity. We need more competition and marquee talent and slightly less parity.
US is not a socialist country why you act like socialist
Who’s the guy in the orange jacket? Apart from Gab Marcotti I don’t think I’ve heard an American talk so eloquently about football. Mad respect.
3:01 does he hear what he's saying?
That's exactly the problem with US sports in general. Double the salary cap, but keep it, to keep the league competitive. Change the current system into two leagues. A and B. 4 promotions, 4 relegations. Otherwise, like you say, it won't ever matter.
Agree with that
That's redarted.
For the MLS to grow, each team needs 1 or 2 old world class players from europe. Cause of the salary cap, they need some more big names to compete against Messi. Messi is sick but if you can get more teams with some big names it would be more watchable.
if at any point to wanted to get rid of the Cap is the Messi era
Football in the world: We are capitalists Monopolists
Soccer in the US: We are communists
What's funny too is that those capitalist leagues are the biggest leagues in the world and that's what MLS wants to become. Without the capitalism of course.
Exactly
Football is a team game. You need 11 good players in the team. 1-3 extra good guys in a team won’t make the team good.
Dont get rid of the cap, our leagues(nba,nfl,nhl) thrive and have parity bc of the salary cap. European leagues are in financial dismay bc of this and only a few teams win.
The teams with the most money have always won…no different now to how it’s always been
Salary caps are a form of wage suppression. They only enrich the billionaire owners. MLB has a luxury tax and that has kept the league competitive
they shouldnt get rid of the salary cap, but they should def expand the amount of DP’s to 6 and increase the salary cap much higher
@@__nm10 I that believe as the league grows the salary cap will increase naturally like it has been year over year and I agree 5 to 6 DPs would be great.
Well how would you get the top players with a cap.
Nah, I want big name players otherwise I’ll just keep watching them on tv and won’t go to stadium or watch mls on tv
Ahh I see, you don’t have true love for the sport. Only hype
That’s okay though !
In germany we say: erfolgsfan
@@sixfiftychris To me this is what has failed at makin MLS big in this country. They keep trying to court fans like this guy who are only interested in big names and spectacle. These kinds of fans are the first ones to leave when things get rough.
Guy in orange obviously hasn't followed MLS a day in his life. All of his suggestions ruin what MLS is. Raising the cap is good, but eliminating it will ruin the parity of our league. He knows not what he speaks.
Yeah. He doesn't understand the appeal of MLS at all.
Can someone please explain me what the "tap" is? English is not my mother tongue neitheir is the MLS my local league so I don't understand
Tope osea tope salarial
The OverUnder initiative
They should get ready rid of salary caps then people will stop going to arabia comes to America
The MLS needs to stop trying to Americanize A sport that isn't American. Do what the other countries are doing, relegation. No salary cap and bring the quality up. That's the goal anyways when Messi leaves
Personally I don't think anyone can tell you what the cap should be in the Messi era because this "Messi effect" is too big to quantify. I say MLS suspend the salray cap through this next window and reinstall a new cap befor the next window, once they can better understand the situation. No one is going to break the league in one transfer window.
Have a relegation system, period. That's how the MLS can compete with other leagues, otherwise people will see the MLS as it is now, a business that cares nothing about the fans.
Whaaat! No one gets relegated in the MLS??
🤭🤭
How would that work for the MLS?
While I understand in Europe, it might a bit too early to relegate teams in USA. The truth is, they don't have enough money and owners and relegating a team means the money lost and owner lost. In Europe this is fine cause another owner can just take over and if the team promotes again, make insane amount of money however in MLS, that could mean the end of the team.
Mls needs around double or more teams that it has now so teams can be relegated and still be competitive in lower leagues.
relegation just shows that you don't have a plan for competitive parity
They only have 29 teams. Give them some more time.
You bunch of full never understood why Messi is now playing for MLS at his retirement age instead of his prime age.
Everything Alexis said was correct and on the money.
Get rid of the salary cap
As a true football fan i watch europe and south America and now mls but mls is only because of messi reason i dont really watch other leagues is cause they are just wanting to buy names rather than make them will always keep track of football no matter what but football is about passion not about money and you wont find better passion for football than Europe and south America why do you think its the only 2 continents that have ever won a world cup because they grew talent they other continents just buy because they came in to late
P.s Africa also gets a pass might not have won a world cup but definitely the 3rd most passionate continent about football might not have money but they damn sure have the passion 😊😊
Getting rid of the cap is absolute insanity. You don't need to do that.
Just get rid of all of the roster mechanisms, raise the cap to about $50 million per team, and keep the U-23 player rule intact that stipulates that young players under 23 do not count against the cap.
One and done.
Let the free market do its magic.
Boycot the scalped tickets, this is a game, you can't be charging 489$ for the cheapest ticket if a couple of weeks ago same tickets were 10$ 😂
This is where a cap needs to happen, on ticket sales. If MLS pay $$$$$$$$ for Messi, where do you think they're going to regain that money? The fan who is used to paying ~$40 for a regular season match.
@@davidlopez-fe2lb You are a 100% right!!
If we get rid of salary cap then everything that makes this league so much more enjoyable than the rest of the world goes away because it’ll be run by the big teams with big money just like every other soccer league in existence. The entire purpose of the salary cap is to prevent super teams like Real Madrid, Byron Munich, Manchester City, etc.
Since MLS isn't even top 2 most popular soccer league in its own country after 29 years of parity maybe getting rid of the salary cap might work. MLS fans keep talking about parity but when has parity ever translated to increase TV ratings and fan support? MLS has been growing steadily in spite of having parity not because of it. If parity was so important and desirable MLS would be one of the top leagues in the world.
Come on. I like how the Saudis/Qataris can't just come in and buy themselves a champion. All things *money* being equal, here in America the organizations or franchises with the most competent decision makers usually win the day. European football is vulture capitalism. Even as their larger socio-economic system is socialist. American professional sports/socio-economics are the polar opposite.
Wait. I guess I would like America to be more like Europe. Because I'm a bleeding heart liberal when it comes to social justice but a foaming at the mouth fanatic when it comes to sports.
Just increase the salary cap high but don’t release fire
After the first week no one will care . It happened with Beckham, lampard, Rooney Gerrard, Drogba , Henry etc.
hopefully this time MLS and American fans will learn that trying to attract US fans to soccer through big names is not the way. People need to care about the league and their clubs regardless of having big names
Hello
Cavani to mls
Still a long way to go champs settle down ay
There needs to be pro-rel. the MLS and USL should try to figure something out to where the bottom 2 or 3 MLS teams of the east and west get sent down and 2 or 3 of the top teams in USL east and west come up. Keep the conferences for sure because our country is too big to have no conferences but add some sort of pro-rel system so teams have something to constantly play for and fans have something to stay focused on
Messi going to Burger King Leauge😢……sadly left us too soon…..hopefully he will come back home to barca
Barça management didnt want him.
Remove the salary cap and introduce two divisions with 15 teams each. The bottom 2 teams in the upper division will be relegated and top 2 teams in lower division promoted.
So what if say 5 teams end up dominating the upper division. This has happened already in most leagues all over the world and it has not made any of those leagues any less viable. It is these dominating teams that attract the most talent to their respective leagues and when top talent flows in, others will follow. Lower ranked teams will strive hard to break into the top 5 tier some day (just as Man City has eventually done in the EPL) so long as the league creates incentives to do so.
Stop all this even playing field nonsense. The only criteria should be that a team remains profitable. That's the capitalist way to success.
It would be nice/awesome if you Americans could start calling the sport by its name, you know.
We do. We call it by the name given to it by Brit’s in the 1800s.
Grow up.
@@gracielynn9623 Football is the official name
Messi > whole Usa
First.
3rd
Now Messi just walking on peaches. That's why top European club doesn't want him anymore.
Lol Messi is the best player in the world but want go to Miami. All clubs want him but he select go to Miami. Messi win all, don t need more. Barcelona and Premier League Teams want him, PSG want he renov contract but he is tired of heavy competition
@@David-pz4bs he’s tired of drama not competition
What do you mean no clubs didn't want him? Did you even watch his interview?
What the hell is a dp and TAM?
DP is designated players. These players can be paid for whatever amount ignoring the cap.
TAM stands for targeted allocation money. These letters stand for the two types of allocation money that are used to buy and sell players, and balance budgets, in MLS.