Jason Cammisa has a way of being hilarious without being annoying, entertaining without feeling gimmicky, and he has a way of dropping serious knowledge without being condescending or self-important. Kudos, hermano. These "Revelations" videos are something too few car videos are. They're WATCHABLE.
I think I would literally be angry at any S2000 owner who wasn't also an enthusiast. Never encountered one though. At least not since they were new. Friend of my dad's bought one when they first came out, complained that the engine "sounds like a bag of spanners" and sold it and bought an automatic Z3 with the largest straight 6 he could find. Old British guy who grew up wanting an Austin Healey I guess. I like to think an enthusiast enjoyed bought the car and enjoyed the depreciation the first owner swallowed.
@@alexliaao Well, he's dead now, as is my Dad, so from his point of view, he got what he wanted there and then. Wouldn't do him any good now. So if you ever wonder why some people have lots of money and just eat the depreciation... its because they have more money than time. They also make great people to buy cars from - think carfaxes with a complete, on time dealer service history. They eat the depreciation, we enjoy the car.
@@PeterAlanA1234567890 between 19k and 72k USD, depending on age, condition, mileage, and how original it is. Average is around $35k. They're shockingly uncommon to find on the open market despite their comparatively manageable purchase price, so if you want one then you'll have to haunt some auction sites to find them. Part of the problem is that this was before electrochemical plating baths were used to add a rust preventative coating to the body prior to primer and paint, so they tend to rust away fairly easily if the undercoating and paint isn't maintained well.
Back in the 60s the S600 engine had been dyno-ed somewhere in Austria and managed to go over 12 000 RPM before the dyno had broken down, engine survived without a scratch.
Their first car(s) had ROLLER BEARING CRANKSHAFTS!!! That’s amazing F1 tech that companies today don’t even do. Those engines are masterpieces like a Patek watch. Any collection with a 6 or 800 is a lucky collection.
I have owned an S800 coupe for the last 30 odd years. I always knew it to be a very special car. Watching your post was so enlightening how amazing this car is. Thank you so much.
This car has one of those rare engines that hits its power limited red line 2000 rpm below the actual destructive red line of the engine. I agree, its was nice to see the red line on those shifts. I had always (mistakenly) thought these cars were front wheel drive. I also (mistakenly) thought they shared the drive train with the slightly later N600/N800 coupes. Nice to learn something new about a 60 year old car.
I remember around 1984 as a kid my neighbors got a brand new Honda Accord(sedan with the pop up lights). We had an Oldsmobile Cutlas Ciera sedan(not as cool but comfy and we had it for two decades and it never broke down). The Honda just felt super cool with the pop up lights we played with all the time and I recall just feeling like the car was built very well. A mysterious deep seated quality in just even how the buttons felt when pressed. A precise and luxurious CLICK it would delight your fingers. The doors felt like one piece of metal somehow and when slammed would just sound like a solid WHOOOOMP. When you started the car it also commanded confidence and personality with that precise Honda TWERK TICK starter sound. And then my other neighbors got a new Hyundai and it felt very wobbly like the door handles might fall off; we left that car alone. Ever since then I was in love with Honda and Japanese products that feel ultra and don’t let you down.
You have to be around my age , because I went through the exact same feeling lol Cutlas is a nice comfy car but like you said you could just feel the quality of a Honda, Hyundai was not that great lol
@@jamesiverson209 I doubt the 800 made 70hp. My 1964 Triumph Spitfire weighs 1500 lbs and 70 hp, does a little better than a bug. And the Honda 600's, they were slow. These things might beat Steve Erkels BMW Iseta
Blame US regulations- in UK you can easily put a kit car like this on the road. I'd give up my motorcycle for something like this (with more HP though) in a heartbeat.
Driving a car will never be able to compete with riding a motorcycle, and vice versa. Two different experiences and I enjoy them both. (Honda's all around in my case.)
@@J3Fox00 The CR-X Del Sol is an unbelievable combination of futuristic design, driving experience changing roof and a magnificent out of the box engine.
B16 engines are bullet proof. With great and honest application of engine advancements and zero product obsolescence these engines can be passed on many times over (still sealed from the factory) and many are even being passed from one generation to the other still sealed. More than what can be said with engines today and a real wake up confirmation to the reality of product sabotage (planned obsolescence) to increase sales.
@@crxdelsolsir Yea man and it’s easily one of the best sounding Honda motors IMO. More so than my basic bolt-on K20A2 and my dad’s S2K. The RSX is similar, but feels more mechanical and refined. The Sol now has a 1320 UEL header and Medallion Cat-back, but even before when it was just running a short ram intake, it had this growl at low revs that sounded deeper than both of those cars and just straight BELLOWED at wide-open-throttle. Crazy how a little 1.6L can sound more aggressive than a 2.0L, though it might be because of the way Honda designed the intake manifold.
@@taylorc2542 Great that you find him funny, but you should fact-check one of SG's reviews. He's not a journalist and it's unacceptable that he gets so much wrong.
An old colleague of my former work has 3 S800 roadsters including a rare factory race car S800. They are truely diminutive cars but so full of technologies that outshone so many other cars in the day. They are fun to drive in, oh and so collectible these days.
4:19 Honda wasn't making many 2 strokes in the 60s and 70s (only track bikes and the CR series dirt bikes) Soichiro prefered OHC 4 strokes for their engineering and efficiency
A big thank you to the owner of the S800 that made this possible for the folks at Hagerty. As a lifelong Honda fan, it's nice to see some of this company's creations enjoying a bit more time in the spotlight these days. These early S cars are so awesome. I was particularly happy to see this car being driven, like the sports car that it is, before this video came to an end.
I have the b16A in my American spec 90 civic hatch back. The engine 1.6 twin cam Vtec that makes 160 hp and revs to 8500. The car is an absolute riot in the twisties and just keeps running after years of beating on it. Honda’s are my favorite cars, I’ve owned a bunch of them and they’ve all been fantastic.
The technology in these cars when new was fantastic, well above almost everything else. I had a friend with an S600 way back, he was a mechanical engineer, designed his own injection system, and his S600 put out 90hp...it was a blast
Hagerty & Jason, ref0:26 - The 1991 Honda Beat was the first open top sports car by Honda since production ceased on the S800 (not the S2000) & they are an absolute riot! Brilliant content, thank you.
@@quartermilejunkie5439 hey man, any seasoned driver worth his salt is bound to become a connoisseur: a true petrolhead knows when one is coming. That’s how we are able to quickly roll the windows down or up, depending on the provenance.
@@walmorcarvalho2512 What off-road segment? Are you talkin about the Land Cruiser? You might tell me Toyota still makes 4-wheel drive pickup trucks but nobody's buying them in the United States. Yes it's true Honda just not known for pickup trucks. But I can see Toyota is known for very high quality. But there's always been a style difference between Toyota and Honda. As a matter fact I don't see that many Toyota cars on the road anymore.
@@jackhammer111 IDK about the US but the Toyota SUVs and pick-up trucks are still in VERY high regard, at least here in Brazil. And I`m not even talking about the fight on the regular car market, where they fight toe-to-toe with Honda and Hyundai for the sedan market.
As an S2000 owner for the last decade or so, this is the video I needed to find. What a NOISE! I would love to find one as a friend for my S2000. Love your videos Jason.
Looking at the details of the s600 makes you realize how much Honda stuck to the original formula for the ap1 S2000. Heck, even the later model s800 with the lower 8k redline resembles the later model ap2 s2000 with the 8k redline. Genius!
I was so bummed when JC left MT. But I’m way happier now. JC brings a fresh, interesting, and entertaining perspective to automotive history. Thank you, Hagerty.
Thanks for bringing back audible memories from the 1980s. Of driving my s800 through the country lanes of Devon, giving a 2000cc Afla Romeo Spyder a run for its money at 100mph and getting a warning from the Police as he had heard me "coming for miles". Thanks
Aussie Vietnam vet. When I was in country in 67 I saw this beauty in a brochure sent over from Australia. Loved it so sent a preliminary deposit to the dealer in Sydney. Got out of the crazy place almost in one piece. Went to the dealer to inspect the little beauty, however as a family man with 2 kids this was never going to fly. Had to cancel the order. Regretted it ever since. You could could buy them for a song in those days. Now look what they are worth. Yer win some and yer lose some..
Yeah, I noticed that also. My Fiat had no power steering, so you need the leverage at low speeds. I'm guessing no powe steering in the Honda. You don't really need it. Just don't hit any potholes!!!
cars back then did not have giant in terms or thickness but had larger diameter because power assist was either non-existent or not very good. My Mustang had strong power steering but fairly large, thin wheel
Young people should get in one of these appreciate how dangerous cars were back then. Minor mistakes in this car would kill you. Sit in this car and realize how little protection you have.
@@taylorc2542 S600 has full ladder frame chassis and all welded seams body, very rigid car. It's 12' long and way safer than a Berkeley which you can easily lift and just as easily get run over in as it is way lower than an S600 ! No fears, young people can't afford an S600 these days not like in the '80s when the average sale price was $2500,
I had a 1999 1.7 litre Ford Puma (the one from the Steve McQueen Bullit ad!) which had a Yamaha built 16v engine which redlined at 8,500 - it thrived on high revs and the more you revved it, the better it was and it suited the fantastic chassis and this Honda really is just the same! What a fabulous little master of engineering and a joy. This is real joy of driving
In 1966, when I was 14 I saw a red, right-hand drive S800 for the first time at my school. It made a bigger impression on me than my first view of a Cobra three years earlier. I often wondered whose kid was being collected by his cool mom. I've always loved tiny cars, and the Hondas were my benchmark.
I am a fan of the Car and Driver magazine articles of old. Jason Cammisa and Hagerty have captured the personality in the magazine articles I read for so many years. I look forward to every installment because of the quality of the writing and the personality of the presenter. Thank you.
Keep 'em coming, Sandler. Man I love this format...in detail talking about the car and then some pure driving without any talking, drifting in slowmo or strange overdone camera angles. It's so simple and feels like you really know the car afterwards, and I haven't even seen a S600/800 in years.
I drive a modded nb2 miata daily. The feeling the handling and the smile I get every time I drive will never be met by new car. And that's last 20 years.
I got to drive a Datsun 1600 Roadster back in 1970. I knew little about cars at the time and less about driving, but I recall that car as truly sexy. I had no memory of these earlier Hondas. What fantastic machines they were!
I never watched a car video without skipping but this video.. omg man. 12 minutes 49 seconds, most well spent in my entire life. I never got so much informance in such short video I'd say!
Honda was brilliant and not afraid to follow his passions. He made some great cars derived from motorcycles... and he never went to engineering school! Man, what it would be to have him back again and working for Toyota. Could you imagine what he would do with all that potential manufacturing and engineering infrastructure at his disposal? I know one thing for sure. The Camry would be a sedan we would ALL want to own. I'd bet I would have one instead of my GTI. By the way, that car would fit in some people's carry-on luggage. The wheel design is utterly lust-worthy and art by any standard. The S-2000 was a true successor and a viable classic in it's own right.This was one of the best videos you've put together Mr. Cammisa. Keep at it!
@@JoshuaTootell a 2strokes diesel??? in the case of the video he was talking about gaz engine and the image shown in the video was clearly a Four Strokes engine , I never saw a 2strokes gaz engine with cam and valves, show me!!
I was referring to diesel engines, yes. Haven't gone looking for a gasoline two stroke with a cam, I'm sure they have been made. I had a motorcycle years ago with a rotary valve two stroke though.
about 50 years ago I drove one of these. At the time I had a Prince Skyline GTR, gray with a deep blue roof. It was the fast steering that impressed me 1st. Then the tach just kept climbing. What a revelation. It handled! My Skyline with the heavy 6 cylinder engine and triple twin throat 40DCOE Webbers that wanted to plow in corners, with understeer that stopped you breathing, then, massive oversteer.
@@JasonCammisa I'm glad that you have enough brand recognition to make a career on YT, but you don't have to appeal to such a LCD general audience or teenagers. In the long run it's better to write material for
I learnt to drive in a small 600cc diesel truck , then my father finally let me drive his diesel ford ecosport. My brother just bought a new petrol 4 cylinder honda. The amount of fun i had in revving that engine is the most i have ever had. I had driven hyundai's but Honda Hits differently
I owned, loved and morn the death of my Daihatsu K car. 6,1 264lbs man in a 660cc, 3cylinder motor with a 3speed auto. So much room and so much fun. Daihatsu Centro👌🏻
@Def Bet I had a ‘95 F150 straight six 5spd. I put 350k on it best vehicle I ever had hands down. I then had an ‘06 F150 with a V6 6spd and rotors that warped and chattered every 10 miles.
The first thing I thought driving this in GT after finding out it was among their first cars was 'Motorcycles.' they stuck to a formula that worked for motorcycles - rev for power. Imo Honda was committed to scaling up a lot of the motorcycle-like principles for cars because it allowed them to make smaller, more durable engines that were driving under-stressed until you really gave them hell, which never lasted too long from an engineering standpoint. I think that philosophy could arguably make greater engines: build your engines to be ride hard from the get-go, and you'll never have issues with reliability in day-to-day use. Pour just a little extra money into a high-revving engine with a little premium in materials and it'll have favorable power output without the highway losses of a larger engine. It's a pretty cool concept. I just wished they committed more to the development of cars like this these days.
What is truly amazing is that you would be hard pressed to squeeze a modern motorcycle motor under this hood with comparable power. Honda was so revolutionary in their day.
Honda isn't just about regular people carrier cars. They still have the NSX, the new Civic Type R, and still in Formula One. Also what defines Honda's high revving naturally aspirated engine expertise is their motorcycle division. If you wanted what defines Honda just buy a Honda CBR, or a 2nd hand S2000, or 1st gen NSX.
@@jannadrielcervo7753 Or you can make your own thing, there was a guy, Matt Brown, who was on Jay's Garage a few years ago and he'd bought one of these to put a CBR1000 engine and sequential box in. If you thought an OEM one was great, that thing was insane, basically like driving an old F1 race-car.
@@jannadrielcervo7753 And if you like this sort of build, there was someone on Matt Farrah's Smoking Tire, also a few years back, that brought a later one of these, in a tiny hatchback form (it was a '72, I think?), that they put a Honda VFR800 engine into, not as big as this one but still crazy sounding and that one had a sequential box too, I believe.
The production level of these videos is insane. That accompanied with the words and hosting of this ape make this channel the APEX PREDATOR of car channels. Hell yes.
Hagerty is killing the TH-cam car game right now
Cammisa makes the diference...
Yea this was excellent video, hands down.
You mean JASON CAMMISA
These Videos are great! The viewcount, compared to what gets millions of views, makes me want to cry...
Yes
Jason Cammisa has a way of being hilarious without being annoying, entertaining without feeling gimmicky, and he has a way of dropping serious knowledge without being condescending or self-important. Kudos, hermano. These "Revelations" videos are something too few car videos are. They're WATCHABLE.
As an S2000 owner/enthusiast, this makes me appreciate the history of my car even more
Still in love with my S2000 after all these years!
I salute you gentleman
I think I would literally be angry at any S2000 owner who wasn't also an enthusiast. Never encountered one though. At least not since they were new. Friend of my dad's bought one when they first came out, complained that the engine "sounds like a bag of spanners" and sold it and bought an automatic Z3 with the largest straight 6 he could find. Old British guy who grew up wanting an Austin Healey I guess. I like to think an enthusiast enjoyed bought the car and enjoyed the depreciation the first owner swallowed.
@@throwback19841 That's hilarious. The poor guy didn't know what he had!
@@alexliaao Well, he's dead now, as is my Dad, so from his point of view, he got what he wanted there and then. Wouldn't do him any good now. So if you ever wonder why some people have lots of money and just eat the depreciation... its because they have more money than time. They also make great people to buy cars from - think carfaxes with a complete, on time dealer service history. They eat the depreciation, we enjoy the car.
I actually owned a 1964 S600 for about 10 years. It was the most beautiful car to drive and I regret ever having to part company with it
What do you think it world be valued at today?
@@PeterAlanA1234567890 between 19k and 72k USD, depending on age, condition, mileage, and how original it is. Average is around $35k. They're shockingly uncommon to find on the open market despite their comparatively manageable purchase price, so if you want one then you'll have to haunt some auction sites to find them. Part of the problem is that this was before electrochemical plating baths were used to add a rust preventative coating to the body prior to primer and paint, so they tend to rust away fairly easily if the undercoating and paint isn't maintained well.
Back in the 60s the S600 engine had been dyno-ed somewhere in Austria and managed to go over 12 000 RPM before the dyno had broken down, engine survived without a scratch.
Their first car(s) had ROLLER BEARING CRANKSHAFTS!!! That’s amazing F1 tech that companies today don’t even do. Those engines are masterpieces like a Patek watch. Any collection with a 6 or 800 is a lucky collection.
That was in Braunschweig, Germany.
@@alexmartinez280 its not done cuz its not really necessary. oil works fine and bearings have to be replaced at one point and add unnecessary weight
new meaning of OVER BUILT
Coz it's a Honda...
That engine note at the end was heavenly.
God the engine the expressed itself beautifully
oh yes, it kinda sounds like a motorcycle.
The pure music coming from the throttle bodies is almost making me cry, and that's coming from a muscle car guy
Makes me miss my '71 VW Type3 with dual, dual-throat Webers. Such a unique sound today.
Waited all video for that in cockpit sound - intoxicating between the slightly buzzy exhaust note and the induction noises
Sadly soon there will only be EVs
I have owned an S800 coupe for the last 30 odd years. I always knew it to be a very special car. Watching your post was so enlightening how amazing this car is. Thank you so much.
big envy... enjoy it sir (the car, not the envy)
I'm a simple man, I see discount Adam Sandler I click like.
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😅😅😅
7:47 spitting image
Lmaoooo
Adam Sandler is discount Jason Cammisa.
Love it…
The fact the video shows them actually taking it all the way to 9k before shifting….
Unlike other videos where they just talk about it
This car has one of those rare engines that hits its power limited red line 2000 rpm below the actual destructive red line of the engine. I agree, its was nice to see the red line on those shifts.
I had always (mistakenly) thought these cars were front wheel drive. I also (mistakenly) thought they shared the drive train with the slightly later N600/N800 coupes. Nice to learn something new about a 60 year old car.
"Happiness is on the other side of 7,000 RPM"- James Engelsman from Throttle House.
I do remember that.
So all of kei cars
Me realizing my v8 redlines at 5k rpm. "Guess no joy for me"
I think he said 8000 RPM
I remember around 1984 as a kid my neighbors got a brand new Honda Accord(sedan with the pop up lights). We had an Oldsmobile Cutlas Ciera sedan(not as cool but comfy and we had it for two decades and it never broke down). The Honda just felt super cool with the pop up lights we played with all the time and I recall just feeling like the car was built very well. A mysterious deep seated quality in just even how the buttons felt when pressed. A precise and luxurious CLICK it would delight your fingers. The doors felt like one piece of metal somehow and when slammed would just sound like a solid WHOOOOMP. When you started the car it also commanded confidence and personality with that precise Honda TWERK TICK starter sound. And then my other neighbors got a new Hyundai and it felt very wobbly like the door handles might fall off; we left that car alone. Ever since then I was in love with Honda and Japanese products that feel ultra and don’t let you down.
You have to be around my age , because I went through the exact same feeling lol Cutlas is a nice comfy car but like you said you could just feel the quality of a Honda, Hyundai was not that great lol
The iconic old Honda starter is unforgettable, I don't know of any other that sounds like it.
I have a feeling that one day I may end up with one of these. That looks like a lot of fun!
honestly, if you can find a good one, i am willing to buy it from you
Slower than a VW 🐛 bug
@@happyraccoon4791 With 70 HP in a 1400 pound car and short gearing, this car would certainly outdrag a bug.
@@jamesiverson209 And outhandle it by a mile. Anyone who's ever driven a swing axle VW hard knows what I mean.
@@jamesiverson209 I doubt the 800 made 70hp. My 1964 Triumph Spitfire weighs 1500 lbs and 70 hp, does a little better than a bug. And the Honda 600's, they were slow. These things might beat Steve Erkels BMW Iseta
I bought a second hand S800 in the 1970s and it was probably the most exciting car I ever had. Great review!
If car companies managed to re-introduce cars like this, motorcycles might have a run for their money in the fun per cost value.
Blame US regulations- in UK you can easily put a kit car like this on the road. I'd give up my motorcycle for something like this (with more HP though) in a heartbeat.
@@future62 You can make a kit car in the US too. In Florida they would register a soap box derby car as good for the road.
@@RCXDerp that's Florida though
Driving a car will never be able to compete with riding a motorcycle, and vice versa. Two different experiences and I enjoy them both. (Honda's all around in my case.)
Honda builds the S660 right now (2021 model)
As the owner of a jdm B16a, revving out to 8200 rpm makes me appreciate my Honda even more.
Same with my dad’s B16A3 Del Sol 👌🏼
@@J3Fox00 The CR-X Del Sol is an unbelievable combination of futuristic design, driving experience changing roof and a magnificent out of the box engine.
B16 engines are bullet proof.
With great and honest application of engine advancements and zero product obsolescence these engines can be passed on many times over (still sealed from the factory) and many are even being passed from one generation to the other still sealed.
More than what can be said with engines today and a real wake up confirmation to the reality of product sabotage (planned obsolescence) to increase sales.
@@crxdelsolsir Yea man and it’s easily one of the best sounding Honda motors IMO. More so than my basic bolt-on K20A2 and my dad’s S2K. The RSX is similar, but feels more mechanical and refined. The Sol now has a 1320 UEL header and Medallion Cat-back, but even before when it was just running a short ram intake, it had this growl at low revs that sounded deeper than both of those cars and just straight BELLOWED at wide-open-throttle. Crazy how a little 1.6L can sound more aggressive than a 2.0L, though it might be because of the way Honda designed the intake manifold.
Jason is literally the next level car journalist 🤌🏼
🙏
Also Savagegeese
Really? His poorly executed cutesy act really ruins this for me. SG is much smarter and his humor is usually funny.
@@taylorc2542 Great that you find him funny, but you should fact-check one of SG's reviews. He's not a journalist and it's unacceptable that he gets so much wrong.
@@taylorc2542 Savagegeese is the real deal, but Jason is w close second.
An old colleague of my former work has 3 S800 roadsters including a rare factory race car S800. They are truely diminutive cars but so full of technologies that outshone so many other cars in the day. They are fun to drive in, oh and so collectible these days.
4:19 Honda wasn't making many 2 strokes in the 60s and 70s (only track bikes and the CR series dirt bikes) Soichiro prefered OHC 4 strokes for their engineering and efficiency
Spot on. Honda have never really been known for two strokes, now Kawasaki and Suzuki on the other hand :)
1983-98 CR 250 and 500 best MX bikes ever made.
These two strokes ruled.
@@phila3884 Honda C50? thats a horizontally mounted OHC 4 stroke
@@simonhudak3763 I see thanks.
@@Nudnik1 My rommate in college had a 1981 CR250. It was terrifying for me to ride it coming off a 125!
I just bought a Honda S2000 AP1... now I can appreciate where it all started from!!
It sounds like it's in a hurry, even if it's not. What a beautiful sound.
I'm in love with this car. Probably the best sound ever heard. It seems alive
A big thank you to the owner of the S800 that made this possible for the folks at Hagerty. As a lifelong Honda fan, it's nice to see some of this company's creations enjoying a bit more time in the spotlight these days. These early S cars are so awesome. I was particularly happy to see this car being driven, like the sports car that it is, before this video came to an end.
I have the b16A in my American spec 90 civic hatch back. The engine 1.6 twin cam Vtec that makes 160 hp and revs to 8500. The car is an absolute riot in the twisties and just keeps running after years of beating on it. Honda’s are my favorite cars, I’ve owned a bunch of them and they’ve all been fantastic.
The technology in these cars when new was fantastic, well above almost everything else. I had a friend with an S600 way back, he was a mechanical engineer, designed his own injection system, and his S600 put out 90hp...it was a blast
The Japanese are underappreciated in the car world. This car is just as beautiful as anything from Italy in that time period. It sounds great too!
Then Datsun comes out with the Sports Roadsters just a few years later and ups the beauty and displacement over the Hondas.
and much reliable
I gotta say, I'm subscribed exclusively for Jason's content.
i agree completely
SAME.
Same indeed
So am I!
Hagerty & Jason, ref0:26 - The 1991 Honda Beat was the first open top sports car by Honda since production ceased on the S800 (not the S2000) & they are an absolute riot! Brilliant content, thank you.
Honda Beat is a Rear-mid-engine Kei Roadster, the S-Series is (or at least was) a front-engine Kei Roadster.
7:10 - nice cover. Pretending to be reaching for the door handle while in reality letting one rip. Very creative.
Lol. Not sure which is funnier - the fart, or you noticing it. Ahahahaha!
@@quartermilejunkie5439 hey man, any seasoned driver worth his salt is bound to become a connoisseur: a true petrolhead knows when one is coming. That’s how we are able to quickly roll the windows down or up, depending on the provenance.
Knowing Jason Cammisa I would not be surprised if he farted in purpose on camera...
@@kencur9690 Hmm..., it is a convertible so maybe you have a point - why else reach for the window, right? lol
It’s the leather seats I swear 😂
I'm a Honda driver since I got my drivers license and I knew, this car is awesome. You described it perfect! Thank you for this video.
Honda really is a great engine maker. Top of my list.
I will call that and raise you and call them the greatest car manufacturer. When you consider what you get for your money
@@jackhammer111 For that I'd tie them with Toyota. Only instead of motorcycles, Toyota also revolutionized the off-road segment
@@walmorcarvalho2512 What off-road segment? Are you talkin about the Land Cruiser? You might tell me Toyota still makes 4-wheel drive pickup trucks but nobody's buying them in the United States. Yes it's true Honda just not known for pickup trucks. But I can see Toyota is known for very high quality. But there's always been a style difference between Toyota and Honda. As a matter fact I don't see that many Toyota cars on the road anymore.
@@jackhammer111 IDK about the US but the Toyota SUVs and pick-up trucks are still in VERY high regard, at least here in Brazil. And I`m not even talking about the fight on the regular car market, where they fight toe-to-toe with Honda and Hyundai for the sedan market.
As an S2000 owner for the last decade or so, this is the video I needed to find. What a NOISE! I would love to find one as a friend for my S2000. Love your videos Jason.
Looking at the details of the s600 makes you realize how much Honda stuck to the original formula for the ap1 S2000. Heck, even the later model s800 with the lower 8k redline resembles the later model ap2 s2000 with the 8k redline. Genius!
only for the US market because people didn't value a high reving NA engine, rest of the world kept the 9k rpm
@@binskee677 Not quite. Japan eventually put the 2.2 in the 08/09 model years.
@@sdlausen1 ah yes right they did that at the end as they wanted to roll out the Type S version in Japan as well.
I was so bummed when JC left MT. But I’m way happier now. JC brings a fresh, interesting, and entertaining perspective to automotive history. Thank you, Hagerty.
10:11 Doug is the type of guy that won't sue you for copyright infringement.
THISSSS
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Thanks for bringing back audible memories from the 1980s. Of driving my s800 through the country lanes of Devon, giving a 2000cc Afla Romeo Spyder a run for its money at 100mph and getting a warning from the Police as he had heard me "coming for miles". Thanks
The AP1 S2000 was such a perfect (30 years later) followup on that S800. Awesome...
Honda s660 neo classic is a thing
The AP1 is a honda NA6
Aussie Vietnam vet. When I was in country in 67 I saw this beauty in a brochure sent over from Australia. Loved it so sent a preliminary deposit to the dealer in Sydney. Got out of the crazy place almost in one piece. Went to the dealer to inspect the little beauty, however as a family man with 2 kids this was never going to fly. Had to cancel the order. Regretted it ever since. You could could buy them for a song in those days. Now look what they are worth. Yer win some and yer lose some..
"Everything is so tiny" except for this GIANT YACHT SIZED STEERING WHEEL.
Yeah, I noticed that also. My Fiat had no power steering, so you need the leverage at low speeds. I'm guessing no powe steering in the Honda. You don't really need it. Just don't hit any potholes!!!
cars back then did not have giant in terms or thickness but had larger diameter because power assist was either non-existent or not very good. My Mustang had strong power steering but fairly large, thin wheel
Young people should get in one of these appreciate how dangerous cars were back then. Minor mistakes in this car would kill you. Sit in this car and realize how little protection you have.
@@jamesmedina2062 My Dad's 1961 Morgan has a 17" steering wheel. When I got the car I put in a 14" wheel, still drives fine.
@@taylorc2542 S600 has full ladder frame chassis and all welded seams body, very rigid car. It's 12' long and way safer than a Berkeley which you can easily lift and just as easily get run over in as it is way lower than an S600 ! No fears, young people can't afford an S600 these days not like in the '80s when the average sale price was $2500,
I had a 1999 1.7 litre Ford Puma (the one from the Steve McQueen Bullit ad!) which had a Yamaha built 16v engine which redlined at 8,500 - it thrived on high revs and the more you revved it, the better it was and it suited the fantastic chassis and this Honda really is just the same! What a fabulous little master of engineering and a joy. This is real joy of driving
In 1966, when I was 14 I saw a red, right-hand drive S800 for the first time at my school. It made a bigger impression on me than my first view of a Cobra three years earlier. I often wondered whose kid was being collected by his cool mom. I've always loved tiny cars, and the Hondas were my benchmark.
I've had too many Honda's to list but I will say this, having a great shifter and being able to rev past 8k is addicting.
That first upshift made my eyes water. Seriously. I love seeing you tear up LVR. I sometimes commute on it! Outstanding video!
I am a fan of the Car and Driver magazine articles of old. Jason Cammisa and Hagerty have captured the personality in the magazine articles I read for so many years. I look forward to every installment because of the quality of the writing and the personality of the presenter. Thank you.
Stop drawing attention to these! These cars are already out of my price range. So much want.
Keep 'em coming, Sandler. Man I love this format...in detail talking about the car and then some pure driving without any talking, drifting in slowmo or strange overdone camera angles. It's so simple and feels like you really know the car afterwards, and I haven't even seen a S600/800 in years.
I love the sound of a raucous 4 cylinder NA motor revved to an inch of its life. Makes me miss my non turbo'd cars of my past.
My S2000 origin story. I love mine even more now.
Is it also a origin story for a honda s660 neo classic
The sound is INSANE!!!
As a fairly recent Honda convert this is the kind of classic car I had no idea existed. Wow, what a fun little machine this looks like!
Awesome job Jason. Good to know that my S2000 is the successor of the car that defined Honda.
Jasons passion for cars really shows it self on this channel. it's good to be a car guy again.
Fantastic content as usual Hagerty!! So glad Mr. Cammisa is doing Thursday videos :)!
I drive a modded nb2 miata daily. The feeling the handling and the smile I get every time I drive will never be met by new car. And that's last 20 years.
Two Stroke Overhead Cam? who edits this stuff!
They just had boxes of camshafts stored in the attic, it’s a language barrier thing.
@@mikescherrer4923 Ha Ha
Prob Jason...lol
Yes with tdi rotary ignition
I noticed that, too. Glad someone mentioned it.
Thak you soooo much for giving these little cars the praise and spotlight they deserve!
That is such a cool car. I never realized I needed one till now...\
Today hyper expensive
I have a 1968 S800 which I have been restoring to all original in the past 14 years! It's coming out next week and I am super excited!
I'd never watched Hagerty until Jason came.
Salute from Tokyo Jason!!
Same.
I got to drive a Datsun 1600 Roadster back in 1970. I knew little about cars at the time and less about driving, but I recall that car as truly sexy. I had no memory of these earlier Hondas. What fantastic machines they were!
I want the S800, it is my dream car and I love it
Jason is a fantastic host. Hagerty is putting out some of the best car content on TH-cam.
Cammisa's videos are too good for us. Thank you, Hagerty!
Thank you!
Thanks for a fantastic review. And loved the drive after! Wow! I can totally understand why the S800 is such a legend.
The coupe version is just....
MMMMMMMMM It's BEAUTIFUL
I never watched a car video without skipping but this video.. omg man.
12 minutes 49 seconds, most well spent in my entire life. I never got so much informance in such short video I'd say!
The brothers Ovaschtier, Les and Mo. They both are friends of Ms Chicane.
Beautiful as always. Love that last bit. As Honda fan, thank you very much for this video.
Imagine Jason Cammisa and Chris Harris got together to make a car show
The discussions would be epic!
And Henry catchpole
It would be stupid, trust me. You don't want to see that.
Well, I can't stand Chris Harris, so I'd probably hate it. Sorry.
Honda was brilliant and not afraid to follow his passions. He made some great cars derived from motorcycles... and he never went to engineering school! Man, what it would be to have him back again and working for Toyota. Could you imagine what he would do with all that potential manufacturing and engineering infrastructure at his disposal? I know one thing for sure. The Camry would be a sedan we would ALL want to own. I'd bet I would have one instead of my GTI. By the way, that car would fit in some people's carry-on luggage. The wheel design is utterly lust-worthy and art by any standard. The S-2000 was a true successor and a viable classic in it's own right.This was one of the best videos you've put together Mr. Cammisa. Keep at it!
Thanks for the great content! Old Japanese cars are hard to come by thanks to crap sheet metal they used back then.
The driving part at the end was just perfect it made me so happy for some reason 😊
4:16 I didn't know that 2strokes engine had single overhead cam!!????? I never saw a 2strokes engine with a cam.
I used to work on a DOHC 2 stroke.
@@JoshuaTootell yeah!!! with 5valves per cylinder :)
Nope, four exhaust valves @@duber3
@@JoshuaTootell a 2strokes diesel??? in the case of the video he was talking about gaz engine and the image shown in the video was clearly a Four Strokes engine , I never saw a 2strokes gaz engine with cam and valves, show me!!
I was referring to diesel engines, yes. Haven't gone looking for a gasoline two stroke with a cam, I'm sure they have been made. I had a motorcycle years ago with a rotary valve two stroke though.
about 50 years ago I drove one of these. At the time I had a Prince Skyline GTR, gray with a deep blue roof. It was the fast steering that impressed me 1st. Then the tach just kept climbing. What a revelation. It handled! My Skyline with the heavy 6 cylinder engine and triple twin throat 40DCOE Webbers that wanted to plow in corners, with understeer that stopped you breathing, then, massive oversteer.
In other news, Adam Sandler has been spotted putting around in a loud, red bumper car from the 60s.
I cant stop myself rewatching this, pure gold, both the car and the host
4:00 The tach goes to eleven! Yep, at the end we can indeed hear that the engine is one louder!
Loved my 03 and 04 S2000s.. Best cars I ever owned and fairly easy to work on all around.
But they were dangerous to drive on wet roads!...the f/b weight distribution was too extreme.
Jason = click
Your comment = thank you. 😊
Jason's name appeared at the very end of this long video title, I almost missed it. But then I remembered it is Thursday, Jason's Video Day.
More like, Subscribed = click
@@JasonCammisa I'm glad that you have enough brand recognition to make a career on YT, but you don't have to appeal to such a LCD general audience or teenagers. In the long run it's better to write material for
I learnt to drive in a small 600cc diesel truck , then my father finally let me drive his diesel ford ecosport. My brother just bought a new petrol 4 cylinder honda.
The amount of fun i had in revving that engine is the most i have ever had.
I had driven hyundai's but Honda Hits differently
I used to take my miata on that last road. one thing i really miss about the bay area
Where is it?
@@Dribob That my friend is Lucas Valley road, if you keep going it leads to Skywalker Ranch
So many beautiful roads up there.
I replayed that canyon run four times just to listen to that engine. Wonderful video like always!
“Why is it that all the cars I dream about are way too small for me?”
Says (The 6,4” 250 lbs Sasquatch that’s typing this)
PREACH! I am the same size guy. Why are we relegated to Excursion size vehicles or cars that cost more than our lifetime net earnings? :-)
So glad I’m 5,9 and 125 lbs I could fit anything😎
I owned, loved and morn the death of my Daihatsu K car. 6,1 264lbs man in a 660cc, 3cylinder motor with a 3speed auto. So much room and so much fun. Daihatsu Centro👌🏻
@@TheMxboy199 Dude, eat a hamburger.
@Def Bet I had a ‘95 F150 straight six 5spd. I put 350k on it best vehicle I ever had hands down. I then had an ‘06 F150 with a V6 6spd and rotors that warped and chattered every 10 miles.
Loved this video! As an S2000 owner it was awesome learning the history and lineage of Honda sports cars!
Camisa could replace Ryan Reynold as Deadpool and no one would notice
The S500/600 are by far my favorite vintage Honda motorcars, I’d love to own one of those!
I would so love to have one of those.
The first thing I thought driving this in GT after finding out it was among their first cars was 'Motorcycles.' they stuck to a formula that worked for motorcycles - rev for power. Imo Honda was committed to scaling up a lot of the motorcycle-like principles for cars because it allowed them to make smaller, more durable engines that were driving under-stressed until you really gave them hell, which never lasted too long from an engineering standpoint. I think that philosophy could arguably make greater engines: build your engines to be ride hard from the get-go, and you'll never have issues with reliability in day-to-day use. Pour just a little extra money into a high-revving engine with a little premium in materials and it'll have favorable power output without the highway losses of a larger engine. It's a pretty cool concept. I just wished they committed more to the development of cars like this these days.
Makes me want to drive my S2000 lol
Noise is great I am a Latest Miata and Alfa GT 3.2 busso owner amazed by the car and your information for its time this is perfect engineering👍
LMAO that snowball @ 2:13
Jason you are my favorite car journalist. You should have your own dedicated show.
2 stroke, single overhead cam.
How the heck did that pass quality control?
1963 - no emissions control yet lol especially for motorcycle engines
Yep, it was the threat of those emissions controls that caused the revolutionary 3-stoke engine to never make it to production. 🤣
What is truly amazing is that you would be hard pressed to squeeze a modern motorcycle motor under this hood with comparable power. Honda was so revolutionary in their day.
4:17 Overhead Cams on two stroke engines?! Is that a thing?
The appeal really of that car is just the revs and the sound it doesn't hurt hurt that it's absolutely beautiful
The honda company today makes soichiro roll in his grave.
Honda isn't just about regular people carrier cars. They still have the NSX, the new Civic Type R, and still in Formula One. Also what defines Honda's high revving naturally aspirated engine expertise is their motorcycle division. If you wanted what defines Honda just buy a Honda CBR, or a 2nd hand S2000, or 1st gen NSX.
Honda builds the S660 right now (2021 model)
@@jannadrielcervo7753 Or you can make your own thing, there was a guy, Matt Brown, who was on Jay's Garage a few years ago and he'd bought one of these to put a CBR1000 engine and sequential box in. If you thought an OEM one was great, that thing was insane, basically like driving an old F1 race-car.
@@vtr0104 Sounds interesting. Will look to it.
@@jannadrielcervo7753 And if you like this sort of build, there was someone on Matt Farrah's Smoking Tire, also a few years back, that brought a later one of these, in a tiny hatchback form (it was a '72, I think?), that they put a Honda VFR800 engine into, not as big as this one but still crazy sounding and that one had a sequential box too, I believe.
The engines they used on these cars sound absolutely beautiful. Probably one of, if not, the best sounding 4 cylinder engines ever.
10:11 Doug?
The production level of these videos is insane. That accompanied with the words and hosting of this ape make this channel the APEX PREDATOR of car channels. Hell yes.