My uncle was in the used car business for nearly 30 years and there was always 404, 504 and finally 505 estates on his drive . As he had 3 kids and his wife ran a flower shop it was almost the perfect estate, although on the 404/504 Familiale the middle row of seats could not befolded flat. Granadas were gutless as 4cylinder cars and thirsty with V6, Volvo's good but pricey and the 3row seats faced backwards and only suitable for toddlers, only car that really competed was the DS/CX. MERC S123 or S124 estates were even pricier than the Volvo's and still had the backwards third row seats. Now a CX estate test would be nice, there's a facelift model near me, but NZ is days away now so no time.
@@eeclass20 Here's a test of a CX Estate that I saw a few months ago, sadly not the 7 seater version but it defintely grabs the attention. th-cam.com/video/KbOHxZXrWPE/w-d-xo.html
This brings back memories of a light blue 505 diesel estate that was used as a hack on the farm in Gloucestershire where I used to live. It never failed to start and went like a rocket even with tons of cargo and kids stuffed into it. Eventually, after over 200k miles it wouldn't pass the MOT and sat in a field for years until I sold it on eBay. The bloke turned up without a trailer, complaining that the battery was knackered, jump started it and drove it to Brighton!
Where I'm living in in Argentina, there are loads of these around, more the saloon than estate.....Most are in bad condition. There are lots of 504s too, and other old cars from the 70s and 80s....You'd love it Ian, a HubNut paradise! :D
I have one with a 2.0 L engine, it is a true "máquina" here the vast majority of these cars have a conversion to run on compressed natural gas, the price of this fuel is half that of gasoline.
i've got a 93 down here in aus, with the 2.2 zdjl engine. sadly the alternator has gone right now so it's off the road for a good while until i can get it fixed up. moved my whole house 1000km with it late last year, when you take the back seats out it's incredible the amount of stuff you can jam in there
Thanks for doing this one. Want people to really appreciate this car. Love the gearbox whine, it gives character and a performance sound. The 2.3 injection had enormous torque
I had an old 505 sedan for a few years in the mid 90s. Lovely road boat. Big, comfy, relaxing car. So much glass. Also had a few 504s... Should have kept them all. Still got a 306 paddock basher. Peugeot went downhill after the 306 and 405.
I had a 406 V6 in the fairly rare 210bhp/manual gearbox combo! 406 was a great car, but the 405 was even more amazing in its ride/handling balance, it seemed to be able to nail BOTH...
I love these old big Peugeots, last week i was watching 24 Hour Party People where Steve Coogan as Tony Wilson was ferrying Joy Division and Happy Mondays around to gigs in a 505. My dad had an E Reg 505. My scout group used it a lot cos the back was so big they could put about 3 patrol tents inside. I even drove it to scout camps when I passed my test I used to drive it to venture scout camps myself by that time dad got a Mondeo estate and the 505 became a spare car. Great times one year me and 3 others drove the 505 from Glasgow to Denmark and back.
I was just thinking about that film whilst watching this lol. Tony Wilson actually drove a 504 but they couldn't find one so they got hold of a 505 and put T reg plates on it.
Ian, that bought back a lot of memories. I had one of these in the late 1980's,to transport me and my wife and our 6 kids around in comfort. One of the best cars we ever had. LOVED that car.
My wife and I also had a GRD to transport our 6 kids around in the 1980' and 90's. The speedo did the same and eventually broke. The fan would work intermittently if you pushed it to the off position but not when in the on positions. Keep the speed up coming into roundabouts and aim to go through it as fast as possible. If you had to slow down it took an age to regain speed. You had to wait for the glow plugs to warm before starting and it took an age in the winter. Someone tried to hot wire it one night but didn't wait for the plug light to go out. So he gave up in the end. Thanks for the video .
I'd give my back teeth for one again, I had an automatic and then a manual, most practical car I ever owned. Great to sleep in and wonderful on a long journey and for visits to builders merchants. Thanks for a great trip down memory lane.
An amazing practical and no nonsense car, pity manufacturers appear incapable of creating such a vehicle nowadays. I always admired these back in the day, yet another great review Ian! Good luck in New Zealand Ian, I was there back in the early 1970's but not sure you'll find many cars from this era, but who knows? safe journey.
I had this car as a child in Argentina, we were a family of 8, my dad loved this car, we went all across the country and even to Uruguay and Chile. Lovely memories
Love the old pugs, not seen one of these for a long time Ian. I have a peugeot 306 hdi and I understand you had a 306 diesel in your younger days. You are always welcome to test drive my 306 any day matey 👍👍👍
Ah, the 505 wagon. We bought our first one in 2002 when our daughter's impending birth meant our family was too large to fit in a 5 seater. There was no way I was buying a Japanese people mover and I still had fond memories of my 604, which gracefully fell to pieces around me. A 1991 pushrod SR lasted a couple of years until my wife saw a 1992 OHC model with the 4 speed auto in the forecourt of our mechanic's yard. She went there with one for its service and came home with the other. Both were grey with the blue-grey interior and most people didn't notice the difference. 505 wagons were rare enough in Australia and that was the nail in the coffin for us as it was a 200km round trip from our home in Warragul to the mechanic in Melbourne. The 505 was replaced with a 1990 6 cylinder Ford Falcon wagon (if the 505 feels big, then try a Falcon wagon!) It was more than a decade until I picked up my next Peugeot, a 2005 206 GTI.
My 505 GL estate was on a B plate, I don’t think it had 5 gears or electric windows but just hearing the whine of the engine brought it all back thank you.
My uncle had a 504 and loved it to bits!....His interest in that led me to liking the 505 (I think it has an aggressive look to it!).....I only wanted the saloon 505 GTI though!
One of my mates mums and dads had a few of these. My mates mother always used to have a estate, because of the 2 or 3 dogs they had, with his dad always having a few of the saloons. I was always impressed with the ride quality and even more impressed with the amount of things that could be moved with the estate. I remember moving my mates sister to university in one trip and when we got there struggling to get it all into her flat. That was with 4 people in the car as well as all her belongings. Another one that brings back loads of memories. Another great hubnut video.
Thanks for the test drive! Enjoyed it, there used to be a 504 8 seater in town when I grew up, the big sized family used the old stripes matts as seat covers!
I don't think I've ever seen one of these before. I should imagine the high ground clearance was partly designed with francophone African roads and desert bashing in mind.
They were exported in extreme numbers from Europe to Africa. Often they didn´t even have to be up for sale. Companies in the export-business contacted the owners by sending out letters asking if they wanted to sell.
As a teenager just out of high school (1988) I had the idea of driving a 504 or 505 familiale to Mali (or other "French" African country) to sell for a profit. It was a thing back then.
That speedo 😂 Police officer- "Do you know what speed you were doing?" 505 Driver- "Yes, i do officer" Police Officer- "And what speed were you doing?" 505 Driver- "Something between 10 and 85".
twoeightythreez, someone with a bit of engineering ingenuity could adapt something or even make one. Any cable drive will turn at the same speed at both ends (obviously), so all you need is sufficient length and the correct fitting at the ends (or the ability to modify things).
Can't believe they use the same interior door lock lever all the way to the late 90s. This is definitely a retro review very well worth my time watching! And rewatching. Thanx
Ian, before I knew you through 2CVBG, I had one of these with the 2.5 diesel. About the slowest thing on the road, but lovely comfort. I also had a TD saloon. Nostalgia. Thanks for finding one.
Hi Mister Gosh is so touching you tested this bulky machine. This was also assembled both in Uruguay and Argentine althought they weren't as good sellers as the saloons . To reveal you the true : 505 Estate never could reach the high quality reliability that won then its "grandmother" the Peugeot 504 , despite designed in a paleozoic style, still today the 504 Break Familiale Estates are best working tools than this cavernous 505 . Not always Pininfarina made a goal . Overall saying , THANKS mister Gosh for this stunning review of the venerable Peugeot 505 estate car .
The jumping speedo is very familiar to me - I had the same issue on my 405. It is caused by the dried-out lubricant in the speedometer, making it very stiff and difficult to rotate. On the other hand, the speedo cable acts as a spring, and at slower speed it cannot move the speedo shaft at first (because of the high friction), untill it reaches the point when it will either break or finally move the speedo shaft, and then make the "burst" movement, releasing the accumulated spring energy, moving the needle to almost twice of the real speed. And then again... With some care and minor repairments, it can be a very nice car to own and drive. Speedo can be fixed with a bit of lubrication, some work on the exaust etc. Also such an old school engine with the carburettor is a good candidate for a cheap LPG conversion, so it can be economical too...
Peugeot 505 wagons were sold up to 1992 here in Australia now don’t see any alway thought the rear styling always looked similar to a Subaru DL Leone wagon of around the same era maybe it’s just me looking forward to your videos you do here in the Southern Hemisphere 😎
We had a 505 wagon for years, an older one though so without the updated interior as this one has. I learned to drive in it, it was a quirky old thing but mostly dependable. I do miss it from time to time!
It's the rawness and originality of your videos what makes this channel one of the best if not the best car channels on TH-cam. Please never go scripted and down the fancy editing road. Cracking 👍
Peugeot 505s were quite popular here in New Jersey back in the '80s -- my neighbors had a pair of 505 turbo-diesels, a manual sedan and an automatic wagon. But when the 505 was discontinued, that was the end of Peugeot in the USA, because the 405 wasn't nearly as popular, and although the 205 was designed to meet U.S. regulations, it was never sold here.
Peugeot had a very short life in Canada. They were good cars but they just didn't sell. Have a friend on the other side of the country that has a 505D (I think that's what its called) he uses it as conversation piece. Just keeps is running. Never disappoints, just keeps going.
9:43 the Hubnut camera starts going weak at the knees. Happy memories of us being ferried around by my best friend's mum in her 504 estate back in the seventies. That was a great car and ignited my love for a number of things including estates.
Had a 1982 saloon auto 505 in the late nineties one . Lovely car for a casual family cruise round the west country . Had to sell it before the end of summer as the autochoke didnt work and you had to pump the throttle to keep it running when the engine was cold. Bit interesting in traffic as it was an auto. Yes i could have warmed it up if i allowed extra time for my journey but that never happens does it. Good cars that just suddenly were not about anymore. Same thing happened with the 405.
I very much enjoy your quirky reviews of such interesting, and largely forgotten cars. Peugeot, Citroen & Renault used to make such fascinating, weird & stylish cars.
I owned a 1966 Rambler with a torque tube. The rear axle was connected to the rear of the car by a Panhard (transverse locating) rod, two coil springs and shocks. All the forward thrust was carried up the torque tube to the front of the car through the engine mounts. Also, engine torque and vibration was carried mainly through the torque tube to the rear tires instead of through the body of the car. When the engine was at idle, you could hardly hear or feel it from the driver's seat.
My favourite toy car as a kid was a corgi 505 saloon. I loved it but can only recall seeing a handful in the flesh! I’d say that this is my favourite review yet! That car is utterly brilliant!👍
My dad's Dutch boss had at least one of these. Always arrived in UK fully loaded with family and roof full of bicycles. He had a bad back and I was impressed by the drivers seat which was the flashest multi adjustable Recaro I've ever seen.
My Dad had one of these. He was in love with all things french - wine, cars, literature, Gaulois cigarettes... It was solid, assured & well mannered - and had a TARDIS like load capacity. It redefined French cars for me after a 70's childhood spent rattling around in a Citroen Dyane which for all it's bags of character just never felt very well put together or safe!
Great to see this car again. My grandfather drove a metallic brown 505 saloon when I was a kid. I remember marvelling at the electric windows (very posh in the early 80s!). He drove it well into the 90s until his health declined. My dad drove a white 504 in the 70s. Going to look through your archive and see if you've done a video on that one now.
Glorious vehicle, very underrated. I don't remember when the US received the wagon (estate), but I do remember that towards the end of its run, it did come with a three seat version. I also remember base, and 505S when first introduced, two litre was fuel injection and a TD. Then, model designation changed to the GL (even more base than this GR, all windows keep fit) and the STX. I also remember a turbo 4 and a V6 as well. I know they were at first just five passenger, I think 1988 onwards were this long. Extremely, extremely rare! The ride is typical Peugeot; very well controlled and isolated. Wonderful video review, as always!
Ahhhh yes... I remember taking a ride in one of these when I was like 12 years old. It was a pre-facelift model, a GL I believe, might have been an 8-seater too. It was already an older car by then so I wasn’t looking forward to take a ride in it. But I was pleasantly surprised, it rode very refined, very quiet engine too. Big comfy car, big plush seats, acres of space. The pre-facelift model did look much more old-fashioned interior wise, that example was ‘van white’ with a completely brown interior, very period. I was VERY impressed when it struck me that the 3rd row wasn’t folded down when you opened the rear door! 2 Comments: 1. Cross flow heads definitely weren’t a 60s thing! Perhaps on an Alfa or a BMW but not on more common brands 2. Pushrod engines are still widely in use in today’s trucks, also in some top brands like Scania everything is pushrod. With the current trend of downspeeding engines there might even be a revival of the pushrod engine, as it’s probably better on friction too (FYI OHC truck engines use gears to drive the cams, no chains or belt here)
many years ago i did a 1300 mile round trip to Scotland and back in a diesel 505 estate towing a car each way.. I was meant to stay in a hotel up there but i just turned around drove all the way back. My only stops being for fuel. I remember feeling tired but no having no aches or pains. Such an epic car.
My parents owned the GTI version of this car for many years. I always remember it being pretty fast when dad put his foot down. 130bhp if I recall. They also used it to tow a twin axle caravan on numerous trips to France with minimal effort. And the third row of seats was useful for separating my squabbling brothers! Great car.
I owned two 505GTis, it's still a very stylish car almost 35 years later. Getting into a French car is like taking a seat on grandmother's lap, soft and comfortable.
Viva La Peugeot, I currently drive a 1989 Peugeot 505 SW8. Great car that never dies. Have owned Peugeots since 1966. Hope they return to the US market.
There is an old chap who drives around Middlesbrough in a very battered French beige 505 estate on a H plate. One of my favourite vehicles is a Peugeot 505 GTI; just glorious.
I love wagons. I have a 1994 Chevy Caprice Classic Estate. Its also an 8 seater and it also feels much smaller than it is. The Chevy's doors definitely do not open that far, lol. One thing the Chev has that's nice is a dual action tailgate. The glass raises like a hatch and you can either swing the gate open, or drop it down like a pickup truck tailgate. Take care of it...big wagons are a rare sight nowadays (especially in the US).
Hi Ian, Yes hilarious speedo indeed! Very common problem on Peugeots and Renaults of that era. I had a Renault 19 diesel with a similar problem which finally gave out and I had to replace the cable! ( I noticed also that Steph had that problem in a metro she was driving the other week). Anyway, I owned a 505 GR estate in 2002, agreed, brilliant for comfort but it stopped there for me! It was 2.2 petrol and very thirsty.... it had endless timing and electrical problem, the exhaust fell apart and that was just the start! I gave up in the end and swapped it for a savannah estate which was wonderful. So I like them for their classicness and have much respect for them, but personally I would never have another!!!!! Anyway, happy travels and am looking forward to the first New Zealand video
I seriously miss mine. Without doubt, it was the most versatile vehicle I have ever owned - comfort and practicality almost unrivalled. Mine was with fuel injection and power steering, being an SLi model so had the 3-speed auto box. Surprisingly for such a long car, it had an amazing turning circle.....
Peugeot 504 estates were well made, nice engine, comfortable and nice looking. Only weak spot was occasional damp affecting starting. The 505 squared lines and replaced 504.
I love Peugeots of this era; big old slabs of practical reliability garnished with some style and driving dynamics. Oh how the mighty are fallen. Also, steel wheel centre finishers. Remember those!
In the 90s my father had one like that but in beige and in a diesel 2.5 with a monster growl (hahaha) which equiped all of them here in Portugal . Two things about that car, the back door lock was also a button so that is broken, and the gear selecter is not normally like that it's suposed to be up right so something must be wrong... loved your video brought many memories from a time when things were not so complicated... cheers!
Had three of these 505s when I was in Oxford, UK (1993-2003). Watch the brake rod where it connects to the servo as it can give up and leave you with gear retardation and a prayer. The cup that carries front strut coil spring can and does rust through. Removing the front struts is a piece of cake, so drill a small hole at the lowest point to drain away the water that collects. In the estate the fuel tank mountings can rust through and literally drop the tank on to the road, but easy to fix with plates or big washers. On the diesel, the stop solenoid can let you down, but reversing the polarity by dabbing the feed to body can work the magic. Jack, the Japan Alps Brit
I’d happily have one of the oil burning variants. Proper solid old motors. I had it’s later descendant the 406. Arguably the last good Peugeot. I held onto mine for 10yrs, a record for me and sold it with 240k miles on it and still going strong.
I pulled over in a country lane to let a bloke past in his 504 pickup! I had to stop him to express my amazement. He said "yeah they're okay as long as you don't stop welding" Great stuff, it's his work vehicle!
Having 7 kids I would have died for this. Had a few 504 .505 estates. But mostly Citroen cx familiale's which I adored and if had the chance would love to own again. a bloody wondrous motor vehicle the like of whice we shall never see again. mores the pity. . Keep at it Mr Hubnut. your passion for OLD piles of TAT is infectious. Still waiting for a Real Road Test on a Matra Rancho . That Im sure would be hilarious.
We had a silver one when I was growing up - 1988 E reg. Originally ran on 4 star, converted to unleaded in the early 90s, then eventually back to 4 star, as it really didn't like the unleaded. Eventually sold to a local taxi firm who already had 1 or 2 of them on their fleet. Brilliant car - very fond memories. Good choice of route from Cutteslowe Park too.
I know those roads very well from too many trips to the John Radcliffe Hospital. Haven't seen a 505 estate for years and I'd forgotten how long they are. That speedo needle is hilarious!
This was a perfect road test ! A possessed speedometer , ashtray’s in the passenger doors (very french ) and a non-responsive fanage 😂. I cant wait to see what you find on the other side of the planet .
My very first car was a 79(v reg) 505 SR saloon(Auto). I loved it to bits. I bought it in 89 for 50 quid because the engine had problems, turned out it had a broken piston and so I replaced it with a 504 engine(XN1). The torque tube is basically for stability, engine, drive train and rear axle all as one, it basically stops the diff from moving up/down during acceleration and braking. Interesting when you have to remove the gearbox to change a clutch for example, you have to first unbolt the diff from the chassis to be able to pull the torque tube away from the back of the box, before using mole grips(in my case), to grip and pull the prop shaft out from the box. I ended up converting mine from automatic to manual which is still a job I'm proud of today as it involves a lot more than you think when you have to add a clutch including master cylinder and completely overall the pedals, and I did a cracking job, you'd never had known it had been converted. Anyway, great video and brings back some fond memories.
Many years ago we took a bush taxi from the Gambian border to Dakar in one of those ubiquitous African build 504 8-seaters. Great car, great driver, a fantastic trip. But had the 505-series the same quality? I remember especially that many complained about persistent brake issues 30 years ago. Warped disks and so on. And some rust problems. Still, a nice car!
Another great find Peugeot 505 Estate haven't seen one for years do remember the pick up version someone in my village had one in blue when it was new in the early 90's on a K Reg was a 504 pick up
I learnt to drive in one of these - as it was the family wagon. My school friends nick named it "The curvature of the Earth mobile" as it was so long they said it had to be built to take into account the curvature of the Earth otherwise it would have grounded in the middle. :-) One of the beauties of it was that being rear wheel drive when it snowed (very rarely in Devon) you could get into some full on sideways drifts around empty carparks - which was a hell of an experience with a car that long. Fond memories of that car though....
I love the shape of old peugeot head lights, so unique.
Yes! So remarkable! 104, 304, 305, 505, all the same shape. Love it.
I love those headlights too and even better if there is yellow french-style bulbs installed 😎
@@JS-1983 This tradition started during World War II so that the French civilian cars would stand out from enemy vehicles.
Really love the 90ies era too up until the 206. Then it went downhill up until the recent 308 when they got their mojo back imo at least.
I like them as well, they resemble the headlights of 70's Austin Princess
Impressively practical: As Jay Leno is apt to say, the last of the old technology is always better than the first of the new.
My uncle was in the used car business for nearly 30 years and there was always 404, 504 and finally 505 estates on his drive . As he had 3 kids and his wife ran a flower shop it was almost the perfect estate, although on the 404/504 Familiale the middle row of seats could not befolded flat. Granadas were gutless as 4cylinder cars and thirsty with V6, Volvo's good but pricey and the 3row seats faced backwards and only suitable for toddlers, only car that really competed was the DS/CX. MERC S123 or S124 estates were even pricier than the Volvo's and still had the backwards third row seats. Now a CX estate test would be nice, there's a facelift model near me, but NZ is days away now so no time.
@@eeclass20 Here's a test of a CX Estate that I saw a few months ago, sadly not the 7 seater version but it defintely grabs the attention.
th-cam.com/video/KbOHxZXrWPE/w-d-xo.html
This brings back memories of a light blue 505 diesel estate that was used as a hack on the farm in Gloucestershire where I used to live. It never failed to start and went like a rocket even with tons of cargo and kids stuffed into it. Eventually, after over 200k miles it wouldn't pass the MOT and sat in a field for years until I sold it on eBay. The bloke turned up without a trailer, complaining that the battery was knackered, jump started it and drove it to Brighton!
That's Peugeot allright.
Wonderful
Nice
Diesel is what these were born for.
Where I'm living in in Argentina, there are loads of these around, more the saloon than estate.....Most are in bad condition. There are lots of 504s too, and other old cars from the 70s and 80s....You'd love it Ian, a HubNut paradise! :D
bad condition but running that's what it counts
I have one with a 2.0 L engine, it is a true "máquina" here the vast majority of these cars have a conversion to run on compressed natural gas, the price of this fuel is half that of gasoline.
i've got a 93 down here in aus, with the 2.2 zdjl engine. sadly the alternator has gone right now so it's off the road for a good while until i can get it fixed up. moved my whole house 1000km with it late last year, when you take the back seats out it's incredible the amount of stuff you can jam in there
Lol true, it has a lot of room, i fix mine with very little money
£80 ebay where i got mine
Makes for a cheap hotel room too!
I have 3 extra alternators. Can spare you one. I have that make, and I love it. I do most of the repairs myself.
In France there was an entry-level GL sitting under this GR. The French have always been masters of wagons. Nice review.
America got the GL as well. Vinyl upholstery. I had one. Best wagon I've ever owned.
@@goyadressunofficial was there size standard compared to American wagons ?
@@julienbee3467 I'd say so. I have to admit I liked the earlier dash design compared to the refresh.
@@goyadressunofficial I didn't know there were 2 different dashboards
Hi! I owned 505 2.5 diesel sedan 1986 and loved it very much. Good strong car.
Greetings from Ukraine!
Thanks for doing this one. Want people to really appreciate this car. Love the gearbox whine, it gives character and a performance sound. The 2.3 injection had enormous torque
I had an old 505 sedan for a few years in the mid 90s. Lovely road boat. Big, comfy, relaxing car. So much glass. Also had a few 504s... Should have kept them all. Still got a 306 paddock basher. Peugeot went downhill after the 306 and 405.
406 Break 2.0 HDi 110 hp. Best Peugeot ever. 106, 206, 306, 406, all pure gold.
104, 304, 2x 504, 205, 405, 306,now it's Renault as Peugeot lost their way
Alpha Omega I got rid of my 306 break, the 2.0 HDi was a very good engine. I should’ve kept it in my garage
true the '7' series were dark days. They're back now though - The 508 wagon looks stunning
I had a 406 V6 in the fairly rare 210bhp/manual gearbox combo!
406 was a great car, but the 405 was even more amazing in its ride/handling balance, it seemed to be able to nail BOTH...
'' I feel enormous''
That's the most Hubnut comment said to date.
It's quite fascinating how some of these cars still exist, I am very glad they do though!
Of course they exist, they're so simple there's nothing to go wrong on them. (Apart from the speedometer maybe.)
My speedo is fine
You legend - I think I asked if you could find a 505 to film a few months ago. Sir, your channel is epic.
He still has to drive my 505 Gti sedan next year (first generation 1985 by the way)
@@gti505 yes
I love these old big Peugeots, last week i was watching 24 Hour Party People where Steve Coogan as Tony Wilson was ferrying Joy Division and Happy Mondays around to gigs in a 505. My dad had an E Reg 505. My scout group used it a lot cos the back was so big they could put about 3 patrol tents inside. I even drove it to scout camps when I passed my test I used to drive it to venture scout camps myself by that time dad got a Mondeo estate and the 505 became a spare car. Great times one year me and 3 others drove the 505 from Glasgow to Denmark and back.
No-one on that film cared about cars. They had stuff in shot that didn't come out until years after it was set, a pedant's nightmare I tell thee.
I was just thinking about that film whilst watching this lol. Tony Wilson actually drove a 504 but they couldn't find one so they got hold of a 505 and put T reg plates on it.
Ian, that bought back a lot of memories. I had one of these in the late 1980's,to transport me and my wife and our 6 kids around in comfort. One of the best cars we ever had. LOVED that car.
My wife and I also had a GRD to transport our 6 kids around in the 1980' and 90's. The speedo did the same and eventually broke. The fan would work intermittently if you pushed it to the off position but not when in the on positions.
Keep the speed up coming into roundabouts and aim to go through it as fast as possible. If you had to slow down it took an age to regain speed.
You had to wait for the glow plugs to warm before starting and it took an age in the winter. Someone tried to hot wire it one night but didn't wait for the plug light to go out. So he gave up in the end.
Thanks for the video .
I'd give my back teeth for one again, I had an automatic and then a manual, most practical car I ever owned. Great to sleep in and wonderful on a long journey and for visits to builders merchants. Thanks for a great trip down memory lane.
here,here I have 3 of them petrol and diesel manual and automatic,best car ever in my opinion shame so many have gone out of the country.
An amazing practical and no nonsense car, pity manufacturers appear incapable of creating such a vehicle nowadays. I always admired these back in the day, yet another great review Ian! Good luck in New Zealand Ian, I was there back in the early 1970's but not sure you'll find many cars from this era, but who knows? safe journey.
I had this car as a child in Argentina, we were a family of 8, my dad loved this car, we went all across the country and even to Uruguay and Chile. Lovely memories
There’s only 11 of these left on the uk roads, take care of them guys
I do
They are probably not scrapped, just sent to somewhere else where ruggedness and simplicity are appreciated more than fancy plastic bumpers.
@@Runeakb Most 404's, 504's and 505's in europe where shipped of to africa. That's why there are none left around here
Love the old pugs, not seen one of these for a long time Ian. I have a peugeot 306 hdi and I understand you had a 306 diesel in your younger days. You are always welcome to test drive my 306 any day matey 👍👍👍
Love this car, shame they’re so rare nowadays. Reminds me of a 405 estate, should review them. The 1.9 diesels run forever
Ah, the 505 wagon. We bought our first one in 2002 when our daughter's impending birth meant our family was too large to fit in a 5 seater. There was no way I was buying a Japanese people mover and I still had fond memories of my 604, which gracefully fell to pieces around me. A 1991 pushrod SR lasted a couple of years until my wife saw a 1992 OHC model with the 4 speed auto in the forecourt of our mechanic's yard. She went there with one for its service and came home with the other. Both were grey with the blue-grey interior and most people didn't notice the difference. 505 wagons were rare enough in Australia and that was the nail in the coffin for us as it was a 200km round trip from our home in Warragul to the mechanic in Melbourne. The 505 was replaced with a 1990 6 cylinder Ford Falcon wagon (if the 505 feels big, then try a Falcon wagon!) It was more than a decade until I picked up my next Peugeot, a 2005 206 GTI.
My 505 GL estate was on a B plate, I don’t think it had 5 gears or electric windows but just hearing the whine of the engine brought it all back thank you.
Seeing you review french 80's cars is delightful
My uncle had a 504 and loved it to bits!....His interest in that led me to liking the 505 (I think it has an aggressive look to it!).....I only wanted the saloon 505 GTI though!
Now there's a beast!!!
@ Next year he can drive my 505 Gti if he comes to the Netherlands again!
@@robinforrest7680 Also there was the 505 Turbo Injection.. that's even better then a Gti!
One of my mates mums and dads had a few of these. My mates mother always used to have a estate, because of the 2 or 3 dogs they had, with his dad always having a few of the saloons. I was always impressed with the ride quality and even more impressed with the amount of things that could be moved with the estate. I remember moving my mates sister to university in one trip and when we got there struggling to get it all into her flat. That was with 4 people in the car as well as all her belongings. Another one that brings back loads of memories. Another great hubnut video.
About 40 years ago had a Pug 504 Diesel. It is still the most comfortable car I have ever sat in. Never got a 505.
Thanks for the test drive! Enjoyed it, there used to be a 504 8 seater in town when I grew up, the big sized family used the old stripes matts as seat covers!
I don't think I've ever seen one of these before. I should imagine the high ground clearance was partly designed with francophone African roads and desert bashing in mind.
thay made a pick up van out of these too. there really rare now
Better than a jeep for african roads
try driving down an ancient cobblestone road. then the ground clearance and the long travel suspension makes sense.
They were pretty popular as taxies back then.
There was never a Peugeot 505 pick up. Was only Station Wagon and Saloon.
The rear wiper looked to be in a different county, you did well to see it during the test 😂
Safe journey 👍
One of the reasons you don’t see many on the road now is that the used ones were bought up and exported to Africa
Yes watched a documentary a few years ago with Michael Palin and there was a beige one of these with a family of about 26 in it!!
They were exported in extreme numbers from Europe to Africa. Often they didn´t even have to be up for sale. Companies in the export-business contacted the owners by sending out letters asking if they wanted to sell.
As a teenager just out of high school (1988) I had the idea of driving a 504 or 505 familiale to Mali (or other "French" African country) to sell for a profit. It was a thing back then.
Urban myth.
That speedo 😂
Police officer- "Do you know what speed you were doing?"
505 Driver- "Yes, i do officer"
Police Officer- "And what speed were you doing?"
505 Driver- "Something between 10 and 85".
lol
Mrcento this comment deserves many likes 😂
I wonder if one can still get a speedometer cable for it?
twoeightythreez, someone with a bit of engineering ingenuity could adapt something or even make one. Any cable drive will turn at the same speed at both ends (obviously), so all you need is sufficient length and the correct fitting at the ends (or the ability to modify things).
"Something like 60 to 80ish, the car decides."
Can't believe they use the same interior door lock lever all the way to the late 90s.
This is definitely a retro review very well worth my time watching! And rewatching. Thanx
We had a 505 GRD for 15 years....Dad bought it new in 1988. Best car we ever had :)
One of my favourite Peugeot..especially the saloon.Looks absolutely gorgeous when you compare to its contemporaries..
A mate's Mum had one of these in the 80s. She was French with three kids. It was perfect!
So this turns up in my recommendations, I've already watched it, and all I think is: "ooo, Hubnut reviewing the 505, bloody brilliant!"
As someone with four kids, I’d MUCH rather have one of these, than the mini van I do have. Great review here!
Okay, this car is getting closer to our American made, aircraft carrier/station wagons. This is cool.
Ian, before I knew you through 2CVBG, I had one of these with the 2.5 diesel. About the slowest thing on the road, but lovely comfort. I also had a TD saloon. Nostalgia. Thanks for finding one.
Hi Mister Gosh is so touching you tested this bulky machine.
This was also assembled both in Uruguay and Argentine althought they weren't as good sellers as the saloons .
To reveal you the true :
505 Estate never could reach the high quality reliability that won then its "grandmother" the Peugeot 504 , despite designed in a paleozoic style, still today the 504 Break Familiale Estates are best working tools than this cavernous 505 . Not always Pininfarina made a goal .
Overall saying , THANKS mister Gosh for this stunning review of the venerable Peugeot 505 estate car .
True, my dad bought a 504 for the known reliability of 505's wich by the time (94) wasn't so good
The jumping speedo is very familiar to me - I had the same issue on my 405. It is caused by the dried-out lubricant in the speedometer, making it very stiff and difficult to rotate. On the other hand, the speedo cable acts as a spring, and at slower speed it cannot move the speedo shaft at first (because of the high friction), untill it reaches the point when it will either break or finally move the speedo shaft, and then make the "burst" movement, releasing the accumulated spring energy, moving the needle to almost twice of the real speed. And then again...
With some care and minor repairments, it can be a very nice car to own and drive. Speedo can be fixed with a bit of lubrication, some work on the exaust etc. Also such an old school engine with the carburettor is a good candidate for a cheap LPG conversion, so it can be economical too...
I was thinking it must be something like that.
Peugeot 505 wagons were sold up to 1992 here in Australia now don’t see any alway thought the rear styling always looked similar to a Subaru DL Leone wagon of around the same era maybe it’s just me looking forward to your videos you do here in the Southern Hemisphere 😎
This is a better offroader than most modern SUVs: More space, better fuel economy, more ground clearance and better payload...
I had a 505 v6 on a E reg loved it and still miss it
We had a 505 wagon for years, an older one though so without the updated interior as this one has. I learned to drive in it, it was a quirky old thing but mostly dependable. I do miss it from time to time!
It's the rawness and originality of your videos what makes this channel one of the best if not the best car channels on TH-cam. Please never go scripted and down the fancy editing road. Cracking 👍
No chance of that, don't you worry! Always looking to improve cameras, but I just cannot do a script!
Amazing to see another Peugeot 505 wagon still on the road.
Peugeot 505s were quite popular here in New Jersey back in the '80s -- my neighbors had a pair of 505 turbo-diesels, a manual sedan and an automatic wagon. But when the 505 was discontinued, that was the end of Peugeot in the USA, because the 405 wasn't nearly as popular, and although the 205 was designed to meet U.S. regulations, it was never sold here.
Peugeot had a very short life in Canada. They were good cars but they just didn't sell. Have a friend on the other side of the country that has a 505D (I think that's what its called) he uses it as conversation piece. Just keeps is running. Never disappoints, just keeps going.
9:43 the Hubnut camera starts going weak at the knees.
Happy memories of us being ferried around by my best friend's mum in her 504 estate back in the seventies. That was a great car and ignited my love for a number of things including estates.
Had a 1982 saloon auto 505 in the late nineties one . Lovely car for a casual family cruise round the west country . Had to sell it before the end of summer as the autochoke didnt work and you had to pump the throttle to keep it running when the engine was cold. Bit interesting in traffic as it was an auto. Yes i could have warmed it up if i allowed extra time for my journey but that never happens does it. Good cars that just suddenly were not about anymore. Same thing happened with the 405.
I very much enjoy your quirky reviews of such interesting, and largely forgotten cars.
Peugeot, Citroen & Renault used to make such fascinating, weird & stylish cars.
I owned a 1966 Rambler with a torque tube. The rear axle was connected to the rear of the car by a Panhard (transverse locating) rod, two coil springs and shocks. All the forward thrust was carried up the torque tube to the front of the car through the engine mounts. Also, engine torque and vibration was carried mainly through the torque tube to the rear tires instead of through the body of the car. When the engine was at idle, you could hardly hear or feel it from the driver's seat.
Nice, I knew an old lady what had the GTI estate for years. We spent a lot of time in the 504 8 seater estate but the 505 was definitely bigger.
A truly fine wagon, and I say that as an old Volvo man! Or 'tractor perv' as I believe Ian puts it.
My favourite toy car as a kid was a corgi 505 saloon. I loved it but can only recall seeing a handful in the flesh!
I’d say that this is my favourite review yet!
That car is utterly brilliant!👍
My dad's Dutch boss had at least one of these. Always arrived in UK fully loaded with family and roof full of bicycles. He had a bad back and I was impressed by the drivers seat which was the flashest multi adjustable Recaro I've ever seen.
My Dad had one of these. He was in love with all things french - wine, cars, literature, Gaulois cigarettes...
It was solid, assured & well mannered - and had a TARDIS like load capacity. It redefined French cars for me after a 70's childhood spent rattling around in a Citroen Dyane which for all it's bags of character just never felt very well put together or safe!
Miss seeing 505’s. Drove one once and loved the seats and ride. Keen to see a 504 HubNut review.
Great to see this car again. My grandfather drove a metallic brown 505 saloon when I was a kid. I remember marvelling at the electric windows (very posh in the early 80s!). He drove it well into the 90s until his health declined. My dad drove a white 504 in the 70s. Going to look through your archive and see if you've done a video on that one now.
My family had a white from 89 groing up and it has a very special place in my mind. I love it!
Loving these reviews of older French cars!! Thank you
Glorious vehicle, very underrated. I don't remember when the US received the wagon (estate), but I do remember that towards the end of its run, it did come with a three seat version.
I also remember base, and 505S when first introduced, two litre was fuel injection and a TD. Then, model designation changed to the GL (even more base than this GR, all windows keep fit) and the STX. I also remember a turbo 4 and a V6 as well. I know they were at first just five passenger, I think 1988 onwards were this long. Extremely, extremely rare! The ride is typical Peugeot; very well controlled and isolated.
Wonderful video review, as always!
I've had a couple of 505's, one was a 505 Sti the other was a 505 V6 with a lovely 2.9 litre engine which I dearly miss
I bet the V6 was superb!
@@paulbennell3313 It was a beast, very nice
Love this. It's how cars should be, full of character. We used to have the 504 auto estate 8 seater, amazing old cars
Ahhhh yes... I remember taking a ride in one of these when I was like 12 years old. It was a pre-facelift model, a GL I believe, might have been an 8-seater too. It was already an older car by then so I wasn’t looking forward to take a ride in it. But I was pleasantly surprised, it rode very refined, very quiet engine too. Big comfy car, big plush seats, acres of space. The pre-facelift model did look much more old-fashioned interior wise, that example was ‘van white’ with a completely brown interior, very period. I was VERY impressed when it struck me that the 3rd row wasn’t folded down when you opened the rear door! 2 Comments:
1. Cross flow heads definitely weren’t a 60s thing! Perhaps on an Alfa or a BMW but not on more common brands
2. Pushrod engines are still widely in use in today’s trucks, also in some top brands like Scania everything is pushrod. With the current trend of downspeeding engines there might even be a revival of the pushrod engine, as it’s probably better on friction too (FYI OHC truck engines use gears to drive the cams, no chains or belt here)
many years ago i did a 1300 mile round trip to Scotland and back in a diesel 505 estate towing a car each way.. I was meant to stay in a hotel up there but i just turned around drove all the way back. My only stops being for fuel. I remember feeling tired but no having no aches or pains. Such an epic car.
What a fantastic survivor! So glad you managed to get yourself out of the back-back seats!
Crazy how stylish those old Peugeot's are.
these were assembled in Australia ... very tough on bush roads. the last "real Peugeot
slh950 ... actually I think Australian assembly out in Heidelberg Victoria had ceased by the time the 505 wagon was introduced to Oz in 1983.
There were a few early 505 sedans assembled at Heidelberg but as far as I know no wagons.
The 505 wagon was extremely expensive in Aus...bit of a status car in the day, much loved by solicitors with young families in maroon paint...
Travelled around France and Germany in one of those in the mid 80's happy memories thanks
My parents owned the GTI version of this car for many years. I always remember it being pretty fast when dad put his foot down. 130bhp if I recall. They also used it to tow a twin axle caravan on numerous trips to France with minimal effort. And the third row of seats was useful for separating my squabbling brothers! Great car.
I owned two 505GTis, it's still a very stylish car almost 35 years later. Getting into a French car is like taking a seat on grandmother's lap, soft and comfortable.
It's been a long time since I last saw a 505. A lovely old car full of French flair.
Viva La Peugeot, I currently drive a 1989 Peugeot 505 SW8. Great car that never dies. Have owned Peugeots since 1966. Hope they return to the US market.
There is an old chap who drives around Middlesbrough in a very battered French beige 505 estate on a H plate. One of my favourite vehicles is a Peugeot 505 GTI; just glorious.
I love wagons. I have a 1994 Chevy Caprice Classic Estate. Its also an 8 seater and it also feels much smaller than it is.
The Chevy's doors definitely do not open that far, lol.
One thing the Chev has that's nice is a dual action tailgate. The glass raises like a hatch and you can either swing the gate open, or drop it down like a pickup truck tailgate.
Take care of it...big wagons are a rare sight nowadays (especially in the US).
bon voyage Ian safe trip :)
Hi Ian,
Yes hilarious speedo indeed! Very common problem on Peugeots and Renaults of that era. I had a Renault 19 diesel with a similar problem which finally gave out and I had to replace the cable! ( I noticed also that Steph had that problem in a metro she was driving the other week).
Anyway, I owned a 505 GR estate in 2002, agreed, brilliant for comfort but it stopped there for me! It was 2.2 petrol and very thirsty.... it had endless timing and electrical problem, the exhaust fell apart and that was just the start!
I gave up in the end and swapped it for a savannah estate which was wonderful.
So I like them for their classicness and have much respect for them, but personally I would never have another!!!!!
Anyway, happy travels and am looking forward to the first New Zealand video
I missed this one! Fantastic car my science teacher in the 70s had the earlier 8 seater and it we were all just mesmerised by its largesse.
I seriously miss mine. Without doubt, it was the most versatile vehicle I have ever owned - comfort and practicality almost unrivalled. Mine was with fuel injection and power steering, being an SLi model so had the 3-speed auto box. Surprisingly for such a long car, it had an amazing turning circle.....
Peugeot 504 estates were well made, nice engine, comfortable and nice looking. Only weak spot was occasional damp affecting starting. The 505 squared lines and replaced 504.
I love Peugeots of this era; big old slabs of practical reliability garnished with some style and driving dynamics. Oh how the mighty are fallen. Also, steel wheel centre finishers. Remember those!
In the 90s my father had one like that but in beige and in a diesel 2.5 with a monster growl (hahaha) which equiped all of them here in Portugal . Two things about that car, the back door lock was also a button so that is broken, and the gear selecter is not normally like that it's suposed to be up right so something must be wrong... loved your video brought many memories from a time when things were not so complicated... cheers!
Had three of these 505s when I was in Oxford, UK (1993-2003). Watch the brake rod where it connects to the servo as it can give up and leave you with gear retardation and a prayer. The cup that carries front strut coil spring can and does rust through. Removing the front struts is a piece of cake, so drill a small hole at the lowest point to drain away the water that collects. In the estate the fuel tank mountings can rust through and literally drop the tank on to the road, but easy to fix with plates or big washers. On the diesel, the stop solenoid can let you down, but reversing the polarity by dabbing the feed to body can work the magic.
Jack, the Japan Alps Brit
Didn't think I could want a 505 anymore before watching this. Clearly I was wrong. Another great video 👍
I’d happily have one of the oil burning variants. Proper solid old motors. I had it’s later descendant the 406. Arguably the last good Peugeot. I held onto mine for 10yrs, a record for me and sold it with 240k miles on it and still going strong.
I pulled over in a country lane to let a bloke past in his 504 pickup! I had to stop him to express my amazement. He said "yeah they're okay as long as you don't stop welding" Great stuff, it's his work vehicle!
Having 7 kids I would have died for this. Had a few 504 .505 estates. But mostly Citroen cx familiale's which I adored and if had the chance would love to own again. a bloody wondrous motor vehicle the like of whice we shall never see again. mores the pity. . Keep at it Mr Hubnut. your passion for OLD piles of TAT is infectious. Still waiting for a Real Road Test on a Matra Rancho . That Im sure would be hilarious.
We had a silver one when I was growing up - 1988 E reg. Originally ran on 4 star, converted to unleaded in the early 90s, then eventually back to 4 star, as it really didn't like the unleaded. Eventually sold to a local taxi firm who already had 1 or 2 of them on their fleet. Brilliant car - very fond memories. Good choice of route from Cutteslowe Park too.
The taxi company that drove us to and from school in my childhood had a 505 with eight seats. I remember it as a very comfortable car.
I know those roads very well from too many trips to the John Radcliffe Hospital. Haven't seen a 505 estate for years and I'd forgotten how long they are. That speedo needle is hilarious!
What a lovely blast from the past! So many hours of my childhood was spent in the economy seats on family trips to Wales. Good times!
This was a perfect road test ! A possessed speedometer , ashtray’s in the passenger doors (very french ) and a non-responsive fanage 😂. I cant wait to see what you find on the other side of the planet .
I went in one if these as a kid. I love that the central locking did the fuel flap too.
My very first car was a 79(v reg) 505 SR saloon(Auto). I loved it to bits. I bought it in 89 for 50 quid because the engine had problems, turned out it had a broken piston and so I replaced it with a 504 engine(XN1).
The torque tube is basically for stability, engine, drive train and rear axle all as one, it basically stops the diff from moving up/down during acceleration and braking. Interesting when you have to remove the gearbox to change a clutch for example, you have to first unbolt the diff from the chassis to be able to pull the torque tube away from the back of the box, before using mole grips(in my case), to grip and pull the prop shaft out from the box.
I ended up converting mine from automatic to manual which is still a job I'm proud of today as it involves a lot more than you think when you have to add a clutch including master cylinder and completely overall the pedals, and I did a cracking job, you'd never had known it had been converted.
Anyway, great video and brings back some fond memories.
You had the steering wheel lined up nicely, thank you. It makes a difference.
Many years ago we took a bush taxi from the Gambian border to Dakar in one of those ubiquitous African build 504 8-seaters. Great car, great driver, a fantastic trip. But had the 505-series the same quality? I remember especially that many complained about persistent brake issues 30 years ago. Warped disks and so on. And some rust problems. Still, a nice car!
Another great find Peugeot 505 Estate haven't seen one for years do remember the pick up version someone in my village had one in blue when it was new in the early 90's on a K Reg was a 504 pick up
I learnt to drive in one of these - as it was the family wagon. My school friends nick named it "The curvature of the Earth mobile" as it was so long they said it had to be built to take into account the curvature of the Earth otherwise it would have grounded in the middle. :-)
One of the beauties of it was that being rear wheel drive when it snowed (very rarely in Devon) you could get into some full on sideways drifts around empty carparks - which was a hell of an experience with a car that long. Fond memories of that car though....