I hate watching TH-cam on TV because they bump up the adverts. I don't mind them on phone, tablet or computer but on TV, you get minute long unskippable ads every few minutes
On the topic of podcast on TH-cam, I prefer watching people chat as opposed to just listening to them. It makes it feel like I’m part of the conversation or present as opposed to just listening into someone’s conversation
I think the clue is in the name podcast. But they never mention finding them wherever you get your podcasts. 😅 Tbh I have to watch I couldn’t just listen
@@travelwell6049 Agreed, I can't stand just listening to podcasts but i'm a 45yr old. But I also generally do not like podcasts in general. These 2 seem to have a strong focus to what they are discussing rather than the aimless nature I usually here or some angry political propaganda. Plus Richard is a handsome fella and Marina is of course gorgeous and a spectacle herself with her animated discourse. ❤
iplayer is technically streaming so that’s why I find the streaming versus TV live is a silly argument, they are one in the same just better for us folks who want to watch Graham at 11am and not 10pm lol
I grew up in the 80's. Most of the school conversation on any given day was about what was on TV the night before, because everybody watched the same programmes at the same time. The most exotic thing in those days was a video recorder. The loss of the "communal" aspect of TV watching is a bit sad, I think.
I watch this podcast on TH-cam on my smart TV, in fact I only ever watch TH-cam on my TV! I record TV shows on the traditional linear channels but I never watch them live as they air. I think the future of TV will be more like the streaming model, even if programmes get released one episode per week (eg Agatha All Along on Disney+) you don't sit down at 8pm on a Thursday to watch live, you watch whenever is convenient for you, knowing the episode will be waiting for you.
The problem with saying “the press didn’t tell us this” about what the ai Parkinson thing really was, is we all just heard the message Richard got to begin with, and that didn’t explain it properly either. It stinks of being a way to make what they’re doing more palatable, rather than anything earnestly using Parkinson as a vehicle to discuss AI
Ah, i learned today that Parky was dead. Not sure how i missed that one. lol. Since i didnt know, i was very confused why the invite for the interview was declined. I would have been fooled. Thats a bit worrying.
As a visual person, I can't listen to podcasts as I tune out after 5 minutes. You're the only podcast I 'listen' to, as I can watch too. Viewer since the start.
Thanks for the extra information on the AI Michael Parkinson. It does completely recontextualise the matter. I’m all in favour of supporting ethically trained ‘AI’ (and damning - or ideally seeing their trainers sued for compensation - unethically trained ones) and for debunking the highly exaggerated horror stories about what these generative algorithms are actually capable of. I’d certainly fully support Richard being a guest on the podcast and would be interested to hear both that and his feedback here about the experience.
my question would be who wrote Michael Parkinson's questions? not being contrary and I don't know but that surely is the key here - is the AI a facsimile of Parky or is it trying to craft Parkinson like questions?
You should ask AI Michael Parkinson a question you would ask an actual AI, ask him to write you a macro for excel to show a message box that says "Press OK if you want out of this interview!"
As someone who watched the birth of the 4th and 5th terrestrial channels live, I still watch almost all of my TV as it's broadcast on an actual telly, only streaming something afterwards if I missed it. "On demand" is often flaky or broken, and some of the UI's are utterly hopeless. I never binge anything. And it's all Freeview, I don't subscribe to anything. I'm stuck in front of a laptop 12 hours a day for work anyway, so TH-cam is the only place I get all my podcasts, sometimes I'll do that on the big telly too. Never watched or listened to anything on a phone.
One thing not mentioned about the demise of TV is that here in Canada cable TV is really expensive. When I moved here from the UK ten years ago, I found myself paying $60 a month to watch mostly ads and got rid of it almost immediately. I think the only people who still have cable are my elderly neighbours. Also, my kids don't even watch Netflix or Prime. They pretty much only watch TH-cam and TikTok.
'Traditional' viewing of terrestrial TV is at risk because rather than scheduling a programme for every Monday night at 7:30pm, thus creating a 'family' event and a reason to tune in each week for the duration, they tend to broadcast the programme's first episode then instantly offer the remaining episodes to stream. This negates the 'traditional' regular viewing habits and encourages ad hoc binge-watching. Perhaps if broadcasters made the on-demand version only available after broadcasting the final episode they could address both viewing preferences.
I haven’t watched live TV for about 6 years 2:38 and don’t have a television license because I don’t need one. I always happily wait for a four part or 6 part drama to finish up so I can binge it. Last week I binged The Nautilus in one day (10 hours). I love a bingeable boxset. But I have watched thing episodically on Amazon and Disney but only because I started watching it not realising it was being released like that. Picard being one that comes to mind.
Thank you! I'm watching from outside the UK and have never heard about this show, even though I love steampunk adventures. You gave a few hours of entertainment to two strangers, because me and my girlfriend immediately started watching it. Awesome show. This made me wonder if watching on the high seas (Arrr!) is included in the statistics Richard mentions in this video.
At 32 I don’t consider myself to be particularly young but looking at my screen time TH-cam is far and away my biggest entertainment provider. I really mostly watch Law and Order and F1 on TV.
I love regular old TV, mostly because I don’t want to have to scroll through thousands of options to find something to watch. I think I was the only person who loved that random button on Netflix. 😊
My grandmother just died of Alzheimer’s/dementia and imagine if she could have had comfort listening to her own mother or father, who had long passed, talking back to her responsively when she needed reassurances. In the future we could offer those sorts of benefits. AI therapists-not ones currently marketed by therapy sites, but really personally trained ones I’ve seen in work already-could also be so reassuring to patients, and they could also inform medical providers and family of a patient’s status and needs. It can also slow down those degenerative diseases by increasing elasticity in patients’ minds. Alzheimer’s/dementia can be so distressing and exhausting to families-my mother didn’t mean to but she horribly resented that my grandmother remembered me, but forgot her. It was very tragic for her to lose her mom long before we lost her physically, and to actually be rejected by her mother. There are so many patches for these types of problems. With consent etc. I see a lot of wonderful potentialities. I understand everyone’s knee-jerk reactions to AI but we also won’t stop the future so we should embrace ethical and good solutions to usage.
That’s a horrendous thing you’re describing. Fooling dementia patients into thinking they’re taking to lost loved ones when they’re taking to an algorithm is disgusting to me. Would you be happy to send in an actor dressed as your late father to talk to your mother and pretend he’s still alive?
@ We can have fundamental disagreements we could have discussed but I’m not going to answer your questions while you’re being needlessly hostile and in bad faith over a hypothetical.
For others who might read this later, since this is down the road, I, for example, knowing I lost all four grandparents to dementia, could be the one who anticipates and trains my own AI therapist ahead of time, giving explicit consent long before any mental deterioration. And that’s just one of many potential, nuanced solutions that would involve patient care and wellbeing. If you’ve ever lost someone to Alzheimer’s/dementia, you know some people take the approach of being honest with them… my aunt had an “honesty only” approach and each time my grandmother asked about my uncle, my aunt would tell her he had died. This resulted in my grandmother learning this “for the first time” and having to live her son’s death over and over again. Later she had to be told her own parents had died, etc., and she lived in constant grief. Alzheimer’s dementia nurses and doctors will recommend, when a patient asks “to go home,” “where dad is,” etc., you give support like “it’s being fumigated right now, so we can’t go back until tomorrow,” or “he’s just stepped out but will be right back.” This gives comfort as they’re passing. It keeps them hopeful and eating longer than if you threw them into deep grief. Most ‘forget how’ or otherwise lose the will to eat, which is often how they die, of simply wasting away… later, they forget how to even swallow their own saliva, which is another way they die, and it’s horrible. They die of a combination of drowning and pneumonia from inhaling their own saliva, which is where we get the “death rattle.” An AI therapist reminding them how to eat or swallow could be much more responsive than family or nurses, who can’t be present 24/7 as much as they’d like to be, nor can they monitor things like minute breathing changes or eyelid changes that could indicate the patient needing help or reminders. It isn’t lying to them with evil deception, it’s preventing their regressed, fragile minds and spirits from having to relive the worst parts of their lives over and over, and maintains an extended will to keep trying. If you’re opposed to that in some moral outrage reasons, that’s fine, but you may as well also believe in euthanizing them. Again, that’s fine, but that’s what you’re rushing along when you take away their reasons for living once they’ve forgotten everything but those they knew in their early years, who are often gone. And as I said, “discussing” memories of or with those people could delay the disease by keeping their synaptic connections more elastic and their neurons more responsive and more rapidly firing. By the time they ask you the same question again-often only few minutes later-they won’t have remembered the answer you gave… unless you gave them horrifying news. It’s fine to have our differences of opinion or approach but no one is a bad person for handling the loss of a loved one’s mental state in whatever fashion they determine at the time. It’s only the disease that is horrific, not the dying patient or the family, both thrown into suspended grief and agony, or any approach they take to live through these final months.
Re Parkinson AI: who is it meant to appeal to? Those of us who grew up with him (and Harty) are likely to be appalled... younger audiences arent likely to be lured by an elder yorkshire voice.
I still tune in every week for my scheduled shows. Thursday's are very special to me for Taskmaster reasons. My friends and family know to leave me alone that day or come over and watch it with me. Thursday's are for Taskmaster.
It would be interesting to know that breakdown on TikTok and TH-cam classified together if that’s TH-cam shorts that is essentially the same as TikTok endless scrolling of 30second videos rather than long form TH-cam videos like podcasts, music concerts, tv shows and films. There’s a lot on demand on TH-cam that other platforms don’t offer. Please clarify on the breakdown on shorts vs long form in those figures! Great show
I watch all my podcasts on TH-cam. In fact TH-cam is how I found this one and most others I watch. I might switch to just listening if I'm on a long car journey but like the majority of people, I rarely am.
I only watch podcasts on TH-cam. And I don't even watch them, really. I put them on while I work or do something else around the house. TH-cam is just my go-to and my subscriptions are curated.
I just started a TH-cam food and kitchen equipment review channel at the age of 70. I never watch BBC or any of the terrestrial channels and do not have Netflix but still pay for Prime, mainly for free delivery. I was amazed when TH-cam told me this week that even for my small but growing channel, 19% of my viewers watch on a TV and almost ALL of my current demographic are over 40. So, even us OldieWonks are moving away from linear terrestrial TV since it is quite clearly NOT free to view if you need to have a TV licence to watch live TV or BBC iPlayer. Watching recorded content supposedly 'live' is nonsense of course.
I'm 39 years old, plus an additional 11% tax. Whilst there's a lot of concentration on the viewing habits of children, teens and young adults, and their shift away from traditional linear TV towards streaming, as an older person I have to mention that I have moved entirely to streaming content and choose to watch zero broadcast TV. I don't even own a TV, and haven't for over eight years. It's not just young 'uns whose habits are changing, linear TV is becoming less popular with many older folk too. And, to me, that is equally, if not more worrying for the future of TV as the changing habits of younger people.
Parky’s sense of humour and laugh are a big part of his story. Will the AI version react in a similar way? I would imagine that would be particularly difficult to seem genuine in a live situation? Interesting … don’t mention the emu
Love the show and the both of you, never miss and episode. However 9 adverts and our weekly sky advert, is a tad excessive, ruins the flow of the show. With the death of terrestrial TV imminent, have all the adverts migrated and come here?
BBC iplayer is rubbish compared to other apps. You can tell these two don't watch much streaming. It's impossible to find anything, its suggestions for what to watch are not tailored, and its UI is frustrating.
I appreciate and agree with Marina's passion about fighting for public service TV and not letting all the money flow to America through the big corporations, but how? Are you talking to viewers or executives or who? What can normal people do to fight for this sort of thing, other than all cancel our Netflix subscriptions which feels a bit like cutting off our noses to spite our faces
I'm interested in the AI interview and what has been talked about here but a question I do have for Richard is are you receiving a fee for it? I don't believe it was mentioned but would like to know before buying into the arguement here.
Almost 60 something here. Cancelled TV licence as don't watch terrestrial linear TV ever. Most of what I watch is either uTube, streaming services or occasional catchup TV like Taskmaster on the 4app. I watch you guys on my big telly. It's good to be able to watch a vid and have the comments up on the screen at the same time. Nicer than squinting at my phone.
I cancelled my TV license before they changed the rules that you need it for BBC iPlayer. So I have it again, but if I didn't watch anything on iPlayer then I wouldn't. I don't think that should be controversial. I cancelled my gym membership too
The question this brought to me when they were talking about iplayer, is wtf did the beeb get rid of iplayer downloads ? I would consume probably most content from that. and as netflix and prime have both gone in opposite direction of adding download versions to streaming services, I dont believe the bbc reason of lack of demand for download
I like to watch the podcast for similar reasons as I liketo read the physical book along with the audio book. Immerse your self across sensory modalities :)
I moved house 2 years ago and there was no aeriol or dish so we always watch on the broadband instead. I always turn the volume off for any adverts. I forward your podcast 'til i hear the music but here on yutube I pay for premium so that's another reason to listen to it here with no ads...love you bye
I can’t remember the last time I watched broadcast TV apart from time sensitive things like Remembrance Service and being a single household I only watch on my iPad and never on my TV and I’m in my 60s
Endless reruns of Frasier, Big Bang etc tell you Channel 4 gave up on terrestrial TV years ago. Presumably advertising still makes their secondary channels viable, but they can't last much longer.
Interesting how people consume content. I don't really think about it but my biggest percentage must be TH-cam as it is the thing i have on in the background throughout my work day. I listen/watch 3 different podcasts regularly every week (this one included) history docs and one off podcasts and things like that and a few movie & TV deep dives, that have probably replaced listening to directors commentaries. I guess i consume TH-cam the way some people listen to the radio at work. I don't really think about it though. I think of sitting down in the evening and watching Pointless and the news and then whatever show or film i want to watch, when i want to watch it on whatever viewing platform as my actual TV viewing.
I understand Richard's view but I'm not keen on that complacent acceptance that 'this is the way things are moving' - I agree with Marina that we need to fight for public service broadcasting, and I'd go further in saying that we should be fighting for linear TV. Yes, people (young people such as myself in particular) are moving away from it, but I think we shouldn't be ashamed to say, 'actually, this linear form of broadcasting is valuable and beneficial for society and communities'. I don't think it's helpful to just accept the move to streaming as though it's completely inevitable - it will only be inevitable if we don't do anything to resist it.
Stephen Fry would be a great guest for the Michael Parkinson podcast. He has been interviewed loads by him in the past and is thoughtful and very into technology
Your right, 'linear' TV is very much loved. Its not a question of format though, its a question of content. BBC feels kinda like being in the children's section of Waterstones these days. I mean why listen to Brian Cox talk for an hour about how big and wonderful all the different coloured planets are, when you can get a overview of quantum entanglement and the way in which it will change computing in the near future in about 30 seconds of content by a guy who looks like he was once the drummer in Spinal Tap. I mean its just one example...
I love Richard, but if he does an interview with an AI Parkinson then I reckon it's mostly just hubris. I think it's very telling that his instinct was to say no initially. He's a gameshow host, best-selling author, got a film in the works, producer on a million things, and of course is co-host to this brilliant podcast. It's ok to say no to things, especially to something as dangerous as AI. I understand the intrigue and temptation to be _part of history_ obv - it must be flattering/exciting to be the flavour of the month in our society the last few years, no doubt getting offers left-right-and-centre, but we need high-profile figures in the industry saying _no_ to AI usurping human roles. Make no mistake, this is (as someone else stated in the thread) a bit of a gateway drug. Just because AI _can_ do it, doesn't mean we should _allow_ it. I realise I've inadvertently paraphrased the inimitable Jeff Goldblum in Jurassic Park: "your scientists were so preoccupied with whether or not they could, they didn't stop to think if they should.”
The way the youtube show is edited differently from the audio podcast, and that their lengths differ, is driving me a little bit mental. Which is the best, most complete way to experience the podcast?
So putting a dead person's voice out there in a new context is acceptable because it's within the confines of "experimental"? It doesn't wash with me. I think it's unethical in the same way that I thought it was unethical that they made a CGI version of Audrey Hepburn to advertise Galaxy chocolate. These people haven't consented to their likeness being exploited and it changes the perception we have of them if that is what is done to them over time. And it's a slippery slope. If this is being discussed now, what will happen in 50 years? Human legacy will be distorted and time will be shifted.
So I'm Irish and with the discussion about the iPlayer we can't access it because Ireland. We can't subscribe because no subscription. We also in the case of Disney plus can't access Dr Who because apparently we are part of the BBC exclusive area. We can also no longer record BBC programmes on our TV boxes. I know there are issues that you spoke about but if Disney+ can geoblock us and BBC van geoblock us surely there is some type of subscription that could work?
I disagree with Richard's assessment. With streaming services being so geared towards pure viewer numbers for data acquisition and the predatory way algorithms are built to basically addict users to never leave their platforms. I think in that 5 years, there will be a backlash against these practices and see a return to a more passive viewing experience. You'll watch a BBC, or an ITV, or a Channel 4 because the show interests you. Not because an algorithm has been designed to make you addicted to whatever new hook has been created to keep you tuned in.
I think the point is that in five years, the terrestrial channels won't be in a position to put out enough quality content to fill out a broadcast schedule.
I’m 65. I don’t remember the last time I watched broadcast tv. The only downside to this is the expensive internet access required. At least at the moment there is a free service we can all access if we need to. Without paying for t’internet there is no “free”.
One bit which is glossed over a little on the Parkinson bit is around consent. I understand the view that his son owns the tapes and he consents to it being used, but is that really a substitute for consent from the actual person, which of course is not possible in this case and as such should be left well alone. Unless I am missing something where it was discussed prior to his death last year.
I don't know if there is a good time to revive a dead celebrity with an AI version, but a year after his death doesn't feel right, but only slightly less disrespectful if it was done 5+years later? If this was a wip before he passed away, it's only a little better than if he had no knowledge of it at all. It's freaky and uncanny af regardless, i don't like it.
Re the Michael Parkinson interview, I think as long as it is framed as an exploration of the state of AI right now, that is fine. Longer term, I think we will have to see how our ethics toward AI personalities develop.
What would be very interesting. People that were interviewed by Parkinson when he was alive being interviewed again. And see what their experience of AI v reality was like
Television started dying the moment the channels decided to churn out cheap reality based content. You then create a generation who only know TV as that and then when streaming platforms come along the public feel 'well I can easily create this type of content' and the final nail is hammered down. I watch TH-cam on my TV and have not watched linear in years
The Parkinson thing is morally repugnant. A person isn’t a voice and a face, they so much more. Putting words in his mouth is grotesque and should not be encouraged or endorsed. 😡
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Watching this on TH-cam, on my TV.
I watch TH-cam on TV, cast from my phone (I pay for no ads)
Same here!
I hate watching TH-cam on TV because they bump up the adverts. I don't mind them on phone, tablet or computer but on TV, you get minute long unskippable ads every few minutes
@@mdkramster no YT app for your TV?
The Rest Is Entertainment is a brilliant podcast and even more so on TH-cam!
Thank you for being a little pocket of calm and reason on the internet today
On the topic of podcast on TH-cam, I prefer watching people chat as opposed to just listening to them. It makes it feel like I’m part of the conversation or present as opposed to just listening into someone’s conversation
I'm blind...
My 70-year-old father in law was delighted to be able to watch Mozart's Requiem on his tv via TH-cam..... until the first ad kicked in.
Consider TH-cam Premium as a gift for him... absolutely worth it to avoid the ads for that sort of content.
there's plenty of stuff i'd like to show my mother,
but she wouldn't understand how anyone puts up with the advertising
I've been a YT subscriber since the beginning and it was probably about a month ago when I realised it was also an audio podcast.
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I think the clue is in the name podcast. But they never mention finding them wherever you get your podcasts. 😅
Tbh I have to watch I couldn’t just listen
@@travelwell6049 The podcast experience is ugly on lots of levels.
@@travelwell6049 Agreed, I can't stand just listening to podcasts but i'm a 45yr old. But I also generally do not like podcasts in general. These 2 seem to have a strong focus to what they are discussing rather than the aimless nature I usually here or some angry political propaganda. Plus Richard is a handsome fella and Marina is of course gorgeous and a spectacle herself with her animated discourse. ❤
AI Parkinson is a gateway drug.
To AI dot cotton.
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Just binge watched Wolf Hall again on iplayer waiting for the new series beginning this weekend. TV is not dead!
iplayer is technically streaming so that’s why I find the streaming versus TV live is a silly argument, they are one in the same just better for us folks who want to watch Graham at 11am and not 10pm lol
Best thing about BBC iPlayer is, the volume goes to 11
Although is it a bit dark? The brightness seems to be darker than say Netflix, TH-cam etc?
Yes thats right!
Rolls-Royce cars are indeed owned by BMW. However, the true Rolls-Royce that make jet engines are still very much a UK company.
My favourite podcast, listen every week 😊🎉❤
It took me a long time to enjoy audio only podcasts. I've always preferred having a video to go along with the audio.
I grew up in the 80's. Most of the school conversation on any given day was about what was on TV the night before, because everybody watched the same programmes at the same time. The most exotic thing in those days was a video recorder. The loss of the "communal" aspect of TV watching is a bit sad, I think.
Yes at school each day after Monty Python the talk was all about that, mimicking the sketches etc
@@lynnedelacy2841 And laughing about Not The Nine O'Clock News, The Young Ones, Spitting Image etc. Happy days.
By and large - Richard's favourite phrase 😆
Also his Tinder profile
Exactly that
I watch this podcast on TH-cam on my smart TV, in fact I only ever watch TH-cam on my TV! I record TV shows on the traditional linear channels but I never watch them live as they air. I think the future of TV will be more like the streaming model, even if programmes get released one episode per week (eg Agatha All Along on Disney+) you don't sit down at 8pm on a Thursday to watch live, you watch whenever is convenient for you, knowing the episode will be waiting for you.
I just LOVE you guys. Sending big hugs from Australia xx And, yes, watching you two beautiful people on TH-cam!!! I do also listen in the car ...
The problem with saying “the press didn’t tell us this” about what the ai Parkinson thing really was, is we all just heard the message Richard got to begin with, and that didn’t explain it properly either. It stinks of being a way to make what they’re doing more palatable, rather than anything earnestly using Parkinson as a vehicle to discuss AI
Of course, they’ll always find a way to justify it including “it’s what the people want now.”
Thanks for providing something to watch over breakfast that is not to do with the election! 😂
(Hopefully you’re not going to mention it?!)
I'm still wondering when Ceefax will return. Very soporific!
I really enjoyed the discussion of tv failing. Very good analysis from the podcast.
Ah, i learned today that Parky was dead. Not sure how i missed that one. lol. Since i didnt know, i was very confused why the invite for the interview was declined. I would have been fooled. Thats a bit worrying.
As a visual person, I can't listen to podcasts as I tune out after 5 minutes. You're the only podcast I 'listen' to, as I can watch too. Viewer since the start.
Try the rest is history also available on TH-cam with two sexy men to look at 😂
@@angeskye Yes I have to be able to see as well or I zone out.
Thanks for the extra information on the AI Michael Parkinson. It does completely recontextualise the matter. I’m all in favour of supporting ethically trained ‘AI’ (and damning - or ideally seeing their trainers sued for compensation - unethically trained ones) and for debunking the highly exaggerated horror stories about what these generative algorithms are actually capable of. I’d certainly fully support Richard being a guest on the podcast and would be interested to hear both that and his feedback here about the experience.
we need the breaths between words!
That Michael Parkinson 'thing' is monstrous.
Didn't even get a free Parker pen for signing up 😂
It’s terrible.
Abominable
my question would be who wrote Michael Parkinson's questions? not being contrary and I don't know but that surely is the key here - is the AI a facsimile of Parky or is it trying to craft Parkinson like questions?
Milking that cash cow for all it's worth
Thanks for bringing this early!
The Rest is Entertainment subscriber # 13 checking in from Canada. So 16 of us now...
You should ask AI Michael Parkinson a question you would ask an actual AI, ask him to write you a macro for excel to show a message box that says "Press OK if you want out of this interview!"
I watch it on TH-cam and with listen on Android Podcast app.
Richard and Marina are so interesting.
Why would I limit my self ;)
I can listen to Podcasts at work, so I came across yours and have been listening for a few months
As someone who watched the birth of the 4th and 5th terrestrial channels live, I still watch almost all of my TV as it's broadcast on an actual telly, only streaming something afterwards if I missed it. "On demand" is often flaky or broken, and some of the UI's are utterly hopeless. I never binge anything. And it's all Freeview, I don't subscribe to anything. I'm stuck in front of a laptop 12 hours a day for work anyway, so TH-cam is the only place I get all my podcasts, sometimes I'll do that on the big telly too. Never watched or listened to anything on a phone.
Yeah, it depends on your age. I can assure you younger people are not doing the same, and it’s only going to get more pronounced in future decades.
One thing not mentioned about the demise of TV is that here in Canada cable TV is really expensive. When I moved here from the UK ten years ago, I found myself paying $60 a month to watch mostly ads and got rid of it almost immediately. I think the only people who still have cable are my elderly neighbours. Also, my kids don't even watch Netflix or Prime. They pretty much only watch TH-cam and TikTok.
Probably because this isn’t a Canada podcast
I discovered this podcast on TH-cam and I watch every episode on my TV 👍
I listen to it alll the time, only look on TH-cam because I came across but - I can’t watch it while doing something else - but can do on audio
I'm watching this on utube because i'm indoors, usually podcasts when i'm gardening!
'Traditional' viewing of terrestrial TV is at risk because rather than scheduling a programme for every Monday night at 7:30pm, thus creating a 'family' event and a reason to tune in each week for the duration, they tend to broadcast the programme's first episode then instantly offer the remaining episodes to stream. This negates the 'traditional' regular viewing habits and encourages ad hoc binge-watching. Perhaps if broadcasters made the on-demand version only available after broadcasting the final episode they could address both viewing preferences.
Welcome to 2011
I haven’t watched live TV for about 6 years 2:38 and don’t have a television license because I don’t need one. I always happily wait for a four part or 6 part drama to finish up so I can binge it.
Last week I binged The Nautilus in one day (10 hours). I love a bingeable boxset. But I have watched thing episodically on Amazon and Disney but only because I started watching it not realising it was being released like that. Picard being one that comes to mind.
Thank you! I'm watching from outside the UK and have never heard about this show, even though I love steampunk adventures. You gave a few hours of entertainment to two strangers, because me and my girlfriend immediately started watching it. Awesome show.
This made me wonder if watching on the high seas (Arrr!) is included in the statistics Richard mentions in this video.
ten hours!
At 32 I don’t consider myself to be particularly young but looking at my screen time TH-cam is far and away my biggest entertainment provider. I really mostly watch Law and Order and F1 on TV.
I’m 50 and same, well except for F1 substitute tennis.
I hope they make AI Parky glitch like Max Headroom.
I love regular old TV, mostly because I don’t want to have to scroll through thousands of options to find something to watch. I think I was the only person who loved that random button on Netflix. 😊
My grandmother just died of Alzheimer’s/dementia and imagine if she could have had comfort listening to her own mother or father, who had long passed, talking back to her responsively when she needed reassurances.
In the future we could offer those sorts of benefits.
AI therapists-not ones currently marketed by therapy sites, but really personally trained ones I’ve seen in work already-could also be so reassuring to patients, and they could also inform medical providers and family of a patient’s status and needs.
It can also slow down those degenerative diseases by increasing elasticity in patients’ minds.
Alzheimer’s/dementia can be so distressing and exhausting to families-my mother didn’t mean to but she horribly resented that my grandmother remembered me, but forgot her. It was very tragic for her to lose her mom long before we lost her physically, and to actually be rejected by her mother.
There are so many patches for these types of problems. With consent etc. I see a lot of wonderful potentialities.
I understand everyone’s knee-jerk reactions to AI but we also won’t stop the future so we should embrace ethical and good solutions to usage.
That’s a horrendous thing you’re describing. Fooling dementia patients into thinking they’re taking to lost loved ones when they’re taking to an algorithm is disgusting to me. Would you be happy to send in an actor dressed as your late father to talk to your mother and pretend he’s still alive?
@ We can have fundamental disagreements we could have discussed but I’m not going to answer your questions while you’re being needlessly hostile and in bad faith over a hypothetical.
For others who might read this later, since this is down the road, I, for example, knowing I lost all four grandparents to dementia, could be the one who anticipates and trains my own AI therapist ahead of time, giving explicit consent long before any mental deterioration.
And that’s just one of many potential, nuanced solutions that would involve patient care and wellbeing.
If you’ve ever lost someone to Alzheimer’s/dementia, you know some people take the approach of being honest with them… my aunt had an “honesty only” approach and each time my grandmother asked about my uncle, my aunt would tell her he had died.
This resulted in my grandmother learning this “for the first time” and having to live her son’s death over and over again. Later she had to be told her own parents had died, etc., and she lived in constant grief.
Alzheimer’s dementia nurses and doctors will recommend, when a patient asks “to go home,” “where dad is,” etc., you give support like “it’s being fumigated right now, so we can’t go back until tomorrow,” or “he’s just stepped out but will be right back.”
This gives comfort as they’re passing. It keeps them hopeful and eating longer than if you threw them into deep grief. Most ‘forget how’ or otherwise lose the will to eat, which is often how they die, of simply wasting away… later, they forget how to even swallow their own saliva, which is another way they die, and it’s horrible. They die of a combination of drowning and pneumonia from inhaling their own saliva, which is where we get the “death rattle.” An AI therapist reminding them how to eat or swallow could be much more responsive than family or nurses, who can’t be present 24/7 as much as they’d like to be, nor can they monitor things like minute breathing changes or eyelid changes that could indicate the patient needing help or reminders.
It isn’t lying to them with evil deception, it’s preventing their regressed, fragile minds and spirits from having to relive the worst parts of their lives over and over, and maintains an extended will to keep trying.
If you’re opposed to that in some moral outrage reasons, that’s fine, but you may as well also believe in euthanizing them. Again, that’s fine, but that’s what you’re rushing along when you take away their reasons for living once they’ve forgotten everything but those they knew in their early years, who are often gone. And as I said, “discussing” memories of or with those people could delay the disease by keeping their synaptic connections more elastic and their neurons more responsive and more rapidly firing.
By the time they ask you the same question again-often only few minutes later-they won’t have remembered the answer you gave… unless you gave them horrifying news.
It’s fine to have our differences of opinion or approach but no one is a bad person for handling the loss of a loved one’s mental state in whatever fashion they determine at the time.
It’s only the disease that is horrific, not the dying patient or the family, both thrown into suspended grief and agony, or any approach they take to live through these final months.
Re Parkinson AI: who is it meant to appeal to? Those of us who grew up with him (and Harty) are likely to be appalled... younger audiences arent likely to be lured by an elder yorkshire voice.
Maybe a question for AI Parkinson ? Could be interesting to hear the answer
I still tune in every week for my scheduled shows. Thursday's are very special to me for Taskmaster reasons. My friends and family know to leave me alone that day or come over and watch it with me. Thursday's are for Taskmaster.
Taskmaster is the only show I watch 'linearly' without fail
It would be interesting to know that breakdown on TikTok and TH-cam classified together if that’s TH-cam shorts that is essentially the same as TikTok endless scrolling of 30second videos rather than long form TH-cam videos like podcasts, music concerts, tv shows and films.
There’s a lot on demand on TH-cam that other platforms don’t offer. Please clarify on the breakdown on shorts vs long form in those figures!
Great show
I watch all my podcasts on TH-cam. In fact TH-cam is how I found this one and most others I watch. I might switch to just listening if I'm on a long car journey but like the majority of people, I rarely am.
I only watch podcasts on TH-cam. And I don't even watch them, really. I put them on while I work or do something else around the house. TH-cam is just my go-to and my subscriptions are curated.
I just started a TH-cam food and kitchen equipment review channel at the age of 70. I never watch BBC or any of the terrestrial channels and do not have Netflix but still pay for Prime, mainly for free delivery. I was amazed when TH-cam told me this week that even for my small but growing channel, 19% of my viewers watch on a TV and almost ALL of my current demographic are over 40. So, even us OldieWonks are moving away from linear terrestrial TV since it is quite clearly NOT free to view if you need to have a TV licence to watch live TV or BBC iPlayer. Watching recorded content supposedly 'live' is nonsense of course.
I'm 39 years old, plus an additional 11% tax. Whilst there's a lot of concentration on the viewing habits of children, teens and young adults, and their shift away from traditional linear TV towards streaming, as an older person I have to mention that I have moved entirely to streaming content and choose to watch zero broadcast TV. I don't even own a TV, and haven't for over eight years. It's not just young 'uns whose habits are changing, linear TV is becoming less popular with many older folk too. And, to me, that is equally, if not more worrying for the future of TV as the changing habits of younger people.
.."as an older person"
Chill! You're 39. Don't be too quick to embrace that tag 😅
Parky’s sense of humour and laugh are a big part of his story. Will the AI version react in a similar way? I would imagine that would be particularly difficult to seem genuine in a live situation? Interesting … don’t mention the emu
Missed a joke there Richard about the election night on the boat. "Andrew Niel had to Anchor it"...
Love the show and the both of you, never miss and episode. However 9 adverts and our weekly sky advert, is a tad excessive, ruins the flow of the show. With the death of terrestrial TV imminent, have all the adverts migrated and come here?
If A.I. is fed the entirety of Parkinson’s interview archive, it should, in essence, epitomise his personality. It’s certainly intriguing.
Glad you mentioned iplayer. It’s simply the best there is and probably worth the licence fee alone.
BBC iplayer is rubbish compared to other apps. You can tell these two don't watch much streaming. It's impossible to find anything, its suggestions for what to watch are not tailored, and its UI is frustrating.
I appreciate and agree with Marina's passion about fighting for public service TV and not letting all the money flow to America through the big corporations, but how? Are you talking to viewers or executives or who? What can normal people do to fight for this sort of thing, other than all cancel our Netflix subscriptions which feels a bit like cutting off our noses to spite our faces
I always watch this podcast on TH-cam on my TV.
I'm interested in the AI interview and what has been talked about here but a question I do have for Richard is are you receiving a fee for it? I don't believe it was mentioned but would like to know before buying into the arguement here.
Almost 60 something here. Cancelled TV licence as don't watch terrestrial linear TV ever. Most of what I watch is either uTube, streaming services or occasional catchup TV like Taskmaster on the 4app. I watch you guys on my big telly. It's good to be able to watch a vid and have the comments up on the screen at the same time. Nicer than squinting at my phone.
I cancelled my TV license before they changed the rules that you need it for BBC iPlayer. So I have it again, but if I didn't watch anything on iPlayer then I wouldn't. I don't think that should be controversial. I cancelled my gym membership too
The question this brought to me when they were talking about iplayer, is wtf did the beeb get rid of iplayer downloads ? I would consume probably most content from that. and as netflix and prime have both gone in opposite direction of adding download versions to streaming services, I dont believe the bbc reason of lack of demand for download
The licence fee is worth it just for the radio.
The constant talk of smart TVs is hilarious. Just say they watched it in their TV! Everybody knows what that means.
I was waiting for Richard to drop the bombshell that he was going to be doing this as an AI from now on and seeing Marina's reaction.
I like to watch the podcast for similar reasons as I liketo read the physical book along with the audio book. Immerse your self across sensory modalities :)
I moved house 2 years ago and there was no aeriol or dish so we always watch on the broadband instead. I always turn the volume off for any adverts. I forward your podcast 'til i hear the music but here on yutube I pay for premium so that's another reason to listen to it here with no ads...love you bye
I can’t remember the last time I watched broadcast TV apart from time sensitive things like Remembrance Service and being a single household I only watch on my iPad and never on my TV and I’m in my 60s
i have an increasing stack of dvds, for when i can't afford to buy/ watch anything..
..and create my own daily programming 🙂 x
The game isn’t over for the terrestrials, they just need to up their game. TV isn’t dead, the market is just much more competitive
Endless reruns of Frasier, Big Bang etc tell you Channel 4 gave up on terrestrial TV years ago. Presumably advertising still makes their secondary channels viable, but they can't last much longer.
Interesting how people consume content. I don't really think about it but my biggest percentage must be TH-cam as it is the thing i have on in the background throughout my work day. I listen/watch 3 different podcasts regularly every week (this one included) history docs and one off podcasts and things like that and a few movie & TV deep dives, that have probably replaced listening to directors commentaries. I guess i consume TH-cam the way some people listen to the radio at work. I don't really think about it though. I think of sitting down in the evening and watching Pointless and the news and then whatever show or film i want to watch, when i want to watch it on whatever viewing platform as my actual TV viewing.
Michael Parkinson AI podcast - absolutely not! What a distasteful way of making money, and let's be honest, that's what it's about.
I doubt Parkie is too impressed looking down on us now 😅
I understand Richard's view but I'm not keen on that complacent acceptance that 'this is the way things are moving' - I agree with Marina that we need to fight for public service broadcasting, and I'd go further in saying that we should be fighting for linear TV. Yes, people (young people such as myself in particular) are moving away from it, but I think we shouldn't be ashamed to say, 'actually, this linear form of broadcasting is valuable and beneficial for society and communities'. I don't think it's helpful to just accept the move to streaming as though it's completely inevitable - it will only be inevitable if we don't do anything to resist it.
We need public service broadcasting we can trust though. And the BBC ruined that illusion years ago.
Stephen Fry would be a great guest for the Michael Parkinson podcast. He has been interviewed loads by him in the past and is thoughtful and very into technology
Your right, 'linear' TV is very much loved. Its not a question of format though, its a question of content. BBC feels kinda like being in the children's section of Waterstones these days. I mean why listen to Brian Cox talk for an hour about how big and wonderful all the different coloured planets are, when you can get a overview of quantum entanglement and the way in which it will change computing in the near future in about 30 seconds of content by a guy who looks like he was once the drummer in Spinal Tap. I mean its just one example...
They took BBC3 off linear then put it back again.
I love Richard, but if he does an interview with an AI Parkinson then I reckon it's mostly just hubris. I think it's very telling that his instinct was to say no initially. He's a gameshow host, best-selling author, got a film in the works, producer on a million things, and of course is co-host to this brilliant podcast. It's ok to say no to things, especially to something as dangerous as AI. I understand the intrigue and temptation to be _part of history_ obv - it must be flattering/exciting to be the flavour of the month in our society the last few years, no doubt getting offers left-right-and-centre, but we need high-profile figures in the industry saying _no_ to AI usurping human roles. Make no mistake, this is (as someone else stated in the thread) a bit of a gateway drug. Just because AI _can_ do it, doesn't mean we should _allow_ it. I realise I've inadvertently paraphrased the inimitable Jeff Goldblum in Jurassic Park: "your scientists were so preoccupied with whether or not they could, they didn't stop to think if they should.”
66 yrs. I haven't watched broadcast tv for years.
Can't wait til we have AI Michael Parkinson interviewing AI Billy Connolly
Bring on the AI of Emu. Though I suspect robotics would be more effective
Yes ! 😂😂😂
I've only ever listen to podcasts on TH-cam. I have them on whilst i do stuff in the kitchen.
The way the youtube show is edited differently from the audio podcast, and that their lengths differ, is driving me a little bit mental. Which is the best, most complete way to experience the podcast?
Really? How are they different? I prefer to watch but will sometimes listen to the audio versions if I'm out and about when they're released.
Marina doing this and The Rest is Politics at the same time, she's some woman! ;-)
So putting a dead person's voice out there in a new context is acceptable because it's within the confines of "experimental"? It doesn't wash with me. I think it's unethical in the same way that I thought it was unethical that they made a CGI version of Audrey Hepburn to advertise Galaxy chocolate. These people haven't consented to their likeness being exploited and it changes the perception we have of them if that is what is done to them over time. And it's a slippery slope. If this is being discussed now, what will happen in 50 years? Human legacy will be distorted and time will be shifted.
Today perhaps isnt the day for hoping people fight for what they care about...
So I'm Irish and with the discussion about the iPlayer we can't access it because Ireland. We can't subscribe because no subscription. We also in the case of Disney plus can't access Dr Who because apparently we are part of the BBC exclusive area. We can also no longer record BBC programmes on our TV boxes.
I know there are issues that you spoke about but if Disney+ can geoblock us and BBC van geoblock us surely there is some type of subscription that could work?
Doctor who is on the rte player
@juneculhane9302 yes but months after the rest of the world got to watch it online..
Television is dead. Long live videodrome!
I disagree with Richard's assessment. With streaming services being so geared towards pure viewer numbers for data acquisition and the predatory way algorithms are built to basically addict users to never leave their platforms. I think in that 5 years, there will be a backlash against these practices and see a return to a more passive viewing experience. You'll watch a BBC, or an ITV, or a Channel 4 because the show interests you. Not because an algorithm has been designed to make you addicted to whatever new hook has been created to keep you tuned in.
I think the point is that in five years, the terrestrial channels won't be in a position to put out enough quality content to fill out a broadcast schedule.
I’m 65. I don’t remember the last time I watched broadcast tv. The only downside to this is the expensive internet access required. At least at the moment there is a free service we can all access if we need to. Without paying for t’internet there is no “free”.
I would love to know what Marina and Richard think of the success of Time Teams move to TH-cam
Richard I trust you. If you think it’s worth looking at it do it.
One bit which is glossed over a little on the Parkinson bit is around consent. I understand the view that his son owns the tapes and he consents to it being used, but is that really a substitute for consent from the actual person, which of course is not possible in this case and as such should be left well alone.
Unless I am missing something where it was discussed prior to his death last year.
I don't know if there is a good time to revive a dead celebrity with an AI version, but a year after his death doesn't feel right, but only slightly less disrespectful if it was done 5+years later? If this was a wip before he passed away, it's only a little better than if he had no knowledge of it at all. It's freaky and uncanny af regardless, i don't like it.
Re the Michael Parkinson interview, I think as long as it is framed as an exploration of the state of AI right now, that is fine. Longer term, I think we will have to see how our ethics toward AI personalities develop.
What would be very interesting. People that were interviewed by Parkinson when he was alive being interviewed again. And see what their experience of AI v reality was like
maybe Parkinson AI should be feeding guests increasingly hot curries, that would be a hit
Does Rob Brydon use the same suite?
Television started dying the moment the channels decided to churn out cheap reality based content. You then create a generation who only know TV as that and then when streaming platforms come along the public feel 'well I can easily create this type of content' and the final nail is hammered down.
I watch TH-cam on my TV and have not watched linear in years
Watching in corner of computer screen while processing photos. Don't have a TV. Older than 34.
What about an AI interviewer talking to an AI interviewee, eg. Michael Parkinson interviewing Albert Einstein. I’d listen to that.
"Mirthlessly Joking" would be a good name for a politics podcast.
I'm watching 49 minutes of Richard, here, but only 30 minutes later on House of Games. TH-cam Wins...?!
I am 58, just 1% is the amount of Broadcast TV I watch. I Listen to R4 a lot, but very very little Broadcast TV.
The Parkinson thing is morally repugnant. A person isn’t a voice and a face, they so much more. Putting words in his mouth is grotesque and should not be encouraged or endorsed. 😡
The AI section reminded me of the R4 My Dream Dinner Party on steroids
Ai Michael Parkinson seems like a Tv producer has found a way to monetise his famous dad.