The Cursed Poetry of Jordan Peterson: A Review of 'An ABC of Childhood Tragedy'
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- Do you like bad poetry about children who are horrifically abused? Well, have I got a book for you today. Aside from the shocking nature of the material, I, along with some friends, go into detail on why this particular book is poorly written slop. The work of an amateur who is using his profile to pretend he has any sort of artistic talent.
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Jordan was a simple boy
Who fancied himself a scholar
He ranted, raved and cried a lot
And made a pretty dollar
I can appreciate art when I see it. Well done, majestic piece that goes very deep. Made me smile.
😂👍🏻
He was a boy
She was a girl
Can I make it any more obvious
Jordan took too much Xanax
Taught some boys to wash their ass
Now he's clean, he's eating meat
Watch my lobsters, ain't them neat?
Jordan sees himself an oralist
Who believes women to be taboo
Up yours woke moralists
We’ll see who cancels who
Peterson managed to write 26 of these poems without thinking, "Should I spend more than 4 lines describing these cases of trauma?"
Peterson managed to write 26 of these poems without thinking
ftfy
he's peterson what else did you expect
To do any form of thinking and poetry writing one must first determine the meaning and the ontological undertones of the word and the concept of "lines" .
He was clearly trying to follow a common storybook trope where text is kept to a minimum so as not to overwhelm young readers.
He is intending to be tongue-in-cheek, because it's clearly written for adults, but all he demonstrates is his person and utter lack of talent.
This
Jordan Peterson wrote a book
It’s only fair we take a look
The themes are childhood sexual crimes
But the last word never fits
I giggled
Almost good. I get the word play of the last word that never fits because it doesn't rhyme and sort of ruins the poem, but... idk i also feels like you did that because you weren't passionate enough to find a good word.
@@mentalismeget your autism diagnosed man
A man who ate meat
Was in a coma overseas
His fans thought he was deep
Because he shared their misguided beliefs
That's pretty good, just add a drawing of a JP eating a steak with a bunch of lobsters looking up towards him and that's art
Yes, and please bless us with your wonderful and objectively unobjectionable ideologies
Jordan had too much Xanax,
Teaches boys to wash their ass
Now he's clean, he's eating meat
Ain't hierarchies so neat?
That was great!!!😂
Jordan sees an female oralist
Thinks women are taboo
Up yours woke moralists
We'll see who cancels who
For a guy who worships Shakespeare, Peterson manages to be spectacularly unaware of how poetry even works other than "haha rhyme go brrr"
Shall i compare thee to a summer's day
or shall i go down to swim in the bay
for a man who makes his living by the word
I can't believe they published this turd
The rhymes are also just so clunky so often.
Jordan Petterson is basically that one guy that quotes famous scholars because he thinks it makes him look smart.
What's even funnier is he recently said being taught how to speak or read wasn't being done at unis nor was the teaching of "Judeo Christian values". He then went on to say that English Lit should be banned (as well as his other "Cultural Marxist" disciplines he didn't like) immediately following. Unironically. This was part of the "why we need PetersonU" grift.
I responded by posting numerous first year English courses from Yale. Several were related to writing technique in and of itself and the rest was exclusively Western literature with a heavy emphasis on Chaucer, Yeats, Eliot, Milton, Donne and Shakespeare - Christians. He's actually ridiculous.
here's a poem:
There
once was a child who
was abused
Where can I give you $30
* fingersnapping *
Magnifico
Unironically a MUCH better poem than Peterson's tripe.
Sorry. That's an insult to tripe. I've worked a job where I had to handle tripe before. It's a lot better than Peterson's terrible poetry.
Jordan has a massive messiah complex. I think he wanted to save the world since he was a kid. Now he gets to live that fantasy. But the ironic thing is that even though saving the world seems to be the primary driver for him, he never misses any opportunity to monetize his popularity.
It was actually his daughter who pushed him to monetize his work once he became an online presence - which is not something he expected or wanted to be until it happened. Before that he was just giving it all away for nothing.
@@gemlouise1260source: trust me bro
I grew up as a happy little boy,
until my father came home with a present.
I hoped for a fun little toy,
But when I saw what it was, my enthusiasm was lessened.
After just one look
I realised, it was this book.
😂👍
To paraphrase Dorothy Parker: "This book should not be tossed aside lightly. It should be thrown with great force."
do tyou think if we made the book easy to pirate that it would in some way eat into the profits of JP.
Well said! Dorothy Parker had a clever riposte for every occasion. Apparently, she time traveled to the future and wrote this one down for us so we would have the perfect dunk just for this book! 🫡
Ha ha damn. That's as good as José's last line!
@@fatjellyfish9478 I really sincerely doubt that there's any kind of demand for it, oh god.
@@fatjellyfish9478 that would only increase the engagement on the book, possibly leading people to buy it
God, Jordan wants to be perceived as being a polymath intellectual so badly.
He wants to be seen as a Renaissance man but instead he's the wisest fool in Christendom.
He thinks he's earned 33 PhDs over the course of his career and no, I'm not making that up, he's that delusional.
Greatest polymath since the great playwright and actor, Count Olaf
He'd be pathetic if he wasn't so contemptible.
@@GhostInTheMachine165 yeah it's because people cite him alot apparently and 3 citations gets a PHD I guess?
Edit:spelling
As a childhood abuse survivor, this kinda reminds me of the vent art many of us survivors create to express our feelings and work through our trauma. *But this is made by the survivor themselves* and the cruel tone reflects how we feel the world is like or how we see ourselves because of the abuse making us disgusted with ourselves and our bodies
When they are written like this by a person who didn't go through the trauma they are depicting, it comes off like him trying to be shocking just for the shock's sake, not because he's trying to spread awareness of the prevelance and horror of child abuse. This could be done right, even if he didn't go through the thing in the stories himself, but it is worrying that he as a former practicing psychologist wrote this. Jbp is everything I hate about the field of psychology
I feel like he probably was abused himself. I feel like the hints are all there
Yeah I feel like the I's poem is particularly disgusting, the tone feels full of hate. It feels somewhat honest or at least more than his self help books. We can't know if he was abused but on the maps of meaning you can see how fucked up he is. Whatever he has I don't think he dedicated enough time to it. Anyway is probably his best book.
If he didn't go through abuse, yeah these are disgusting. As someone who wants to be a psychiatrist, this makes very little sense because...knowing Peterson....these might be stories taken from patients or other people's patients.
That's just an assumption, but it feels appropriate. Either way...good God he gives psychology a REALLY BAD NAME.
Peterson's fundamentally sociopathic, disassociated view, is why his philosophy is rotted at the core. It's original sin writ smol.
Someone who has to listen to all these stories might need to vent aswell?
In Russian there's this phenomenon of "sadist rhymes", which first occurred as parodies of teaching rhymes for kids that scare kids into not doing dangerous things. I believe a similar folklore genre exists in German as well. A very crude, vulgar type of "art" only funny to little kids. However, they are similar to limericks in the sense that they adhere to a very strict rhythm and rhyme requirements, and they also have to be exaggerated enough to desensitize you completely. Jorpson doesn't manage rhyme or rhythm, and instead of being grotesque and funny, the poems turn out to be creepy...
Hmmm. Not sure it's that. I do find it a little funny but there's one by Loriot: Advent kannibalismus im Forsthaus. About a wife who turned her husband into Christmas gifts
If JBP wrote a children’s story it would undoubtedly be written how old timey children stories were written, where the naughty child gets caught by the demon and boiled alive and their skin made into boots the demon wears.
i mean i'm not against that
Except it wouldn't be quite as amusing to discuss in hindsight
What do you mean old timey? Those are just the average German bedtime stories
"And the Dragon of Chaos ate the children that didn't clean their room."
@@bbrbbr-on2gd I read this in his voice
I love Gorey's work, and these poems are like an imitation of it from someone who 100% does not understand what makes it work and what makes it funny and witty.
Yes! My thoughts exactly!!!
Jordan Peterson: "Okay, but maybe instead of the child being eaten by an alligator, they got raped by their dad! Hilarious, right?"
I was just about to comment that it's like the Gashlycrumb Tinies, but from Wish.
YES!!!! I couldn't remember where I had seen similarly gothic children's poems(but of course, a million orders of magnitude better). Thank you for this comment!
He’s a dangerous writer to imitate because he makes it look easy - but it takes vast skill to appear effortless. It’s like assuming anyone can tap-dance because Fred Astaire looks relaxed on screen. Gorey’s use of language is deft, playful, adroit, gymnastic. Peterson’s isn’t even competent.
As someone working through childhood trauma in therapy, I have to say this book makes me want to throw things at the author. It's taken me a lot of courage to speak up about experiences like being written off as worthless because I wasn't a traditionally "pretty" little girl, no matter how hard I tried to be kind and loving and no matter how wildly I excelled in school. So the idea that my therapist might hear that and then write and publish an amateurish poem about how wretchedly ugly I was as a child is appalling. (Also, like most kids, I wasn't actually uniquely ugly? I looked like a kid. I would expect a psychologist to know that most people who get told over and over again that they're ugly are probably fine; they're just surrounded by jerks.)
This seems like the sort of behavior that should get his license revoked, if he somehow still has one.
I mean, his license is being revoked 😂
@@MichelleHell Good! It's been about time for what, 6 years now???
Fortunately it has been revoked, I believe. Only recently. And of course, true to his character, he went around crying about it and playing the victim.
@@fgj3941 I dunno, seen a lot of ugly babies in my time.
Source: janitor in maternity ward
@@meinkraft501 Yes, but you probably don't go around publishing poetry about it.
I used to have a friend who was a retired minister; in his career, he was often expected to hold and/or bless new babies, and many of them looked like Winston Churchill crossed with an overripe tomato. Not wanting to lie OR insult the new parents, he developed a stock response: a big smile and a "Hey, now THAT'S a baby!" Technically true, and it sounds positive enough. That's the kind of thing you do if you're in that sort of position and have any self-awareness. Peterson has obviously made some different choices.
Either being in a coma killed the part of JP's psyche that typically allows people to keep disturbing thoughts to themselves, or some kind of pervert demon followed him back from the netherworld.
He was like this before the coma.
@@remnantoftheeye5580you can see that post-coma he is a totally unhinged person. Before, he was well composed, fairly nuanced (still speaking in word salad of course), and seemed to genuinely care about psychology. Nowadays, he's a stark raving loon who has emotional outbursts every five minutes, rarely talks about psychology and clearly knows very little about what he's talking about, and has fully joined the anti-trans rhetoric he said he would never do.
Why not both?
@@monkeysuncle2816 true. It's probably both.
He wrote these well before the coma, while he was still seeing patients.
This is who he is.
There is poetry? Oh no.
Been binging your Roman Republic stuff lately. Glad to see you here
Nope, only rhymes. Shallow phrases. Surprise 🙄
😉 Have a nice day.
I didn't expect to see you here...
It's nice to see how based one of YT's best military historians is.
That's a highly arguable descriptor
I'm really bad at poetry
I'm really bad at poetry
I'm really bad at poetry
But at least I'm not Jordan Peterson
This is actually a good poem
@@horricule451 Unironically, it really is
No shit
Jordan Peterson is not a poet, and if anyone here can tell, he hasn’t publicised this book at all, but to be frank, none of you would have the tendency to understand anything meaningful anyway. Hence the derogatory comments above that lacked a motive in the first place
@@bmac_xxx207 only motive they probably don't like him .
Here's my question: Who was this book for?! I'm absolutely baffled by this. (edit - I wrote this question halfway through the video, didn't realize the video basically ends by saying the same thing)
It can't be for kids, it's way too dark. I mean, kids like creepy stuff, and there are lots of books of creepy poems for kids, but those are like "Sally's doll came to life" or "watch out for the spooky tailor-man." This stuff is like "Tommy's touchy teacher a-came a tapping one eve, and the experience made Thomas be gay and in prison."
It can't be for poetry laymen, or Peterson fans, or casual readers, because (again), it's WAY too dark.
I hope it's not for poetry fans, because it's complete garbage. It's awful poetry, it's uninspired, and Peterson can't stop 'Reaching for the Rhyme."
It could be for people who were abused, or maybe other professionals in the Mental Health field, but that sort of Art is generally more personal, with people channeling their own trauma through their art.
This almost seems like Jordan Peterson is making fun of child abuse. This book might be one of the bleakest things I've ever seen.
I am confused about that too. I was and am subscribed to Peterson and saw the music and book announcement only a a few days after they were uploaded. I was thinking, “What…?” I think the music is awful. And the book is…concerning. I knew right away that I wouldn’t be buying it but I was still curious and found myself here. Peterson is definitely not a poet. I don’t even read poetry and after hearing these poems I was like, “really?” It’s not good and the subject matter is handled very poorly.
@@desireesmith862 Peterson is just a cruel person who thinks child abuse is funny
It's for him. It's so he can feel all renaissance and counter culture and above everyone. But he won't put in the time to get good at it or realize that some topics aren't put into poems for a reason.
Each poem raised the question, what is the humour? If Peterson hadn't said there is dark humour in the poems, it wouldn't be a question, because there is none. I can only worry that abuse is meant to be the humour.
Peterson has lost his way
Obsessed with abuse & the gay
"Don't read this book," advised José
This video improved my day
You said it perfectly
brilliant
You don't know how to pronounce José.
Lol
Don’t read this book just watch my video on it please. Hypocritical
My initial interpretation of the Polly poem was as anti-trans rather than anti-vax. The doll in this case representing the prescribed gender roles of womanhood, the intruder/ nurse being the "trans loby" or whoever Peterson and his ilk think are "making children trans", and the fall being whatever horrible fate that they think we deserve.
I don't know whether the fact that we saw it making very similar critiques of very different things, all of which were baseless, says anything about Peterson more broadly, but I did think it was interesting.
I think that speaking about hair and not nurses would be more fitting in this case or he is not smart enough to think about itlol
@@chaisawchan2345 except, he's also the kind of transphobe who spreads lies about parents, doctors and nurses forcefully "transing" innocent kids.
I can see the poem go both ways. 🤷♂️
@@doggytheanarchist7876 yeah, you have a point
you r giving too much credit to Peterson habilities to create metaphors
I think that's definitely a possible interpretation.
If "pinched" is being used to mean "stolen", then the doll being taken could represent femininity (represented as a stereotypically feminine children's toy) being stripped from Polly, with the "fall" being the "irreversible damage" of gender transition.
Considering that two of the four lines focus on a stereotypically feminine toy, and the type of play that a child might engage with using said toy, that would seem to make sense.
Of course, this is probably giving Peterson too much credit. Considering it's somewhere in the middle of the book, this poem was probably just created at the tail end of a burst of inspiration, so it wasn't particularly well thought-out.
Thank you for bringing this garbage to my attention - I am forever in your debt 🙏
This is how friendships are forged.
I think Jordan genuinely has trauma that he needs to unpack. Like, the only way someone would write this is if they were 1. abused as a child and haven't unpacked their trauma, or 2. someone who thinks about children getting abused way to much for me to be comfortable with them being out and about in society. Either way I think Jordan just needs like genuine help instead of millions of dollars to make terrible books
Or 3. dealt with a lot of patients who had trauma like this or fourthly or fithly… I‘m curious whether you judge everyone as cheaply as this.
@@hanser5618 "I dreamed I saw my maternal grandmother sitting by the bank of a swimming pool, that was also a river. In real life, she had been a victim of Alzheimer’s disease, and had regressed, before her death, to a semi-conscious state. In the dream, as well, she had lost her capacity for self-control. Her genital region was exposed, dimly; it had the appearance of a thick mat of hair. She was stroking herself, absent-mindedly. She walked over to me, with a handful of pubic hair, compacted into something resembling a large artist’s paint-brush. She pushed this at my face. I raised my arm, several times, to deflect her hand; finally, unwilling to hurt her, or interfere with her any farther, I let her have her way. She stroked my face with the brush, gently, and said, like a child, “isn’t it soft?” I looked at her ruined face and said, “yes, Grandma, it’s soft." so therapist much smart
@@Roblox-jb2vf what the actual fuck is this?
I genuinely have a hard time not thinking he has brain damage from his addiction. For all his faults before, he’s just so much more mean spirited and unhinged now.
@@Roblox-jb2vf I don’t understand how your point is in any way related to anything. There is no strong reason to believe someone is mentally ill if they write about mental illness (even if their writings happen to be very gruesome). End of discussion. There are plenty of reasons to criticize JBP but this is not one of them. If we normalize criticizing people for invalid reasons, we will end up in a world full of hate and chaos - this applies for everyone (especially people like JBP). I hope people realize this at some point.
On the O poem... I think it's quite possible to be abusive and confusing. Authoritarian fathers like authoritarian governments don't have any real rules. You get punished based on feeling. Today you might not clean up after yourself at dinner and nothing happens, tomorrow you do the same thing and you are punished extremely harshly. The outcome is 2 things. 1 you are confused as to why you weren't punished yesterday, and 2. You eventually come to realize that everything is punishable if your dad decides it is. You will never be safe because there is no set of rules you can follow to ensure you don't get punished.
I agree! I was quite disappointed with the commentary on this one.
Honestly, i didn't care for much of the commentary about the poems themselves, as i felt the commentary was more about Peterson than about his poems.
Yeah I think José was reaching a bit there, though it’s understandable given Jorbson’s usual schtick. But you describe the terror of never knowing whether you’ll be punished very well (much better than Jorby P himself) and I agree Jorby might not have meant it as a political swipe in this instance.
@@reed6514 of course the whole thing is about Jorbson! There’s no point in analyzing this tripe otherwise haha
@@reed6514 The video is about the poetry collection Peterson wrote. How could it not be about him? Lol.
Yeah, like, I was both abused and confused as a child, and it left me rather obtuse for a good long while until I could get it sorted out as "the view was that the abuser was always right based on the fact that they were an authority and thusly every judgment they had was valid." I thought there was some hidden logic behind it and worked to justify my own abuse in my head because they insisted there was a logic. It left me constantly afraid that I was just missing some hidden signs or just completely unaware of reality. The criticism of it honestly hurt a little, in the weird way of erasing my own history as somehow being rendered invalid.
I remember when this first came out. I was like "Why did Jordan Peterson write a lame edgy Gashlycrumb Tinies rip-off?" We got one copy sent to our store and have yet to sell it lol.
Right!?!? Gorey was clever witty and charming albeit a little morbidly fascinated. Gashlycrumb Tinies is a wonderful book. This is just cruel and unusual plagiarism.
LMAO, that was my thought. "Sounds like a very unfun, shitty version of the Gashlycrumb Tinies." Maybe you can sell it as luxury hamster cage lining.
Is your store a coffee shop or something?
i bet if you tried to burn it, the fire would jump away
Honestly I thrive on collecting these kind of books, would absolutely buy it for the hell of it
It reminds me of when I was a young artist in art school.
I had a final project for 3D, basically the guidelines were anything physical that could be sculpted, drawn on or created in some form.
My idea was going to be violence against women, so I was going to have a sculpture of a woman with her hand over her mouth showing bruises and cuts.
It was a bit vulgar, extremely simplistic and not really much of anything but the obvious. This is how the book reads to me. An attempt was made.
What I ended up doing after receiving guidance from my teacher was bandages, bandaids and first aid kit types of tools with the women's stories written on them. Much more creative and meaningful.
However JP isn't out here to create meaningful art, he's here to spread a wildfire of hatred and pain. Make money while he's at it.
that poetry is nearly indistinguishable from edgy poetry I wrote when I was 13 or 14 and ngl it does make me feel better about how far I've come lol
This is like finding out Andrew Tate made a rap song.
More like finding out Tate wrote “love” song
Impossible. Tate can't read or write.
Didn't he literally do that?
I'm sure I saw hasan react to it
@@gspendlove confusingly, he actually wrote a few samurai stories. Zoe bee has a video that brought it to my attention
Edit: th-cam.com/video/iOkSP-KlfhI/w-d-xo.html
@@ngotemna8875 look up . .
Ugh 'Mr.Plenty'
I only wished I could sell a book with 4 x 26 lines of text. That is a level of lazy I want to aspire to.
I HAD THE SAME THOUGHT 😭😍
let's cooperate. 100x26x4 lines from us and 98 other viewers of this video lol
I'm in
He's not lazy. The reason why he's able to publish easily is because he's been working at his career status for years. You really think a doctor is lazier than you? lol
@@yusraaa4221 they’re not talking about his career, they’re talking about him writing this book. Also I don’t think he’s actually done anything as a doctor in years.
I think the fact that he finds children being sexually abused funny enough to publish a book of poems about it says a lot about him. The book may not stand on its own as art, but is pretty valuable as an insight into his character imo.
…was it supposed to be funny? I think you might be stretching a bit there
@@meinkraft501 17:05 ish jose mentions how the book was supposed to be "funny"
@@imhappy7632 thank you
When did anyone say child abuse is funny?
@@imhappy7632 oh well if Jose said it then that’s definitely what Peterson meant. Someone should said that earlier. We all know if Jose said it’s 100% true lol smh
As a child my father did impart
A lesson he needed me taught:
"If you know poetry people will think you're smart
Even if you're not"
(Seriously, he made me recite poems every night before brushing my teeth.)
I cannot imagine a better way to make sure your child hates poetry than making it a chore associated with brushing teeth
@@Albinojackrussel Eh, it wasn't so bad. He recited it and brushed with us. Then we'd get in bed and he'd read to us. Got through the entire Lord of the Rings series that way. It was sweet.
@@FearlessSon aww that's much nicer than I was imagining. I was imagining more along the lines of "memorise and repeat this verse then go brush your teeth" drill sargent style XD
@@Albinojackrussel Yeah, my father has always been a kind man. He said that the poetry he made us learn was important to him because he turned to it soothe his heart after his first marriage ended.
@@FearlessSon he sounds like a really great guy, I can see why he has a fearless son
There once was a man named Jordan P.
who knew what's best for you and me.
He told us what is bad and what is good,
by making a nightmare of our childhood.
All cruel, perverted and full of doom,
but it's alright just go and clean your room.
Jordan P will tell you why your all alive,
for hardcover this knowledge is twenty nine ninety five.
Oh Mr. P is wise as we all have heard,
as Jordan P always gets in the final word.
His words have meaning as we all have seen,
but he can't tell me what I mean when I say what I mean.
Too much effort. Try again with only 4 lines and be sure to work in some more child abuse in there! 😂
@@JohnDoe-uf3lj
Jordan B. Peterson
saw a woman beat her son
and used it as inspiration
for angsty artless alliteration
Both of those poems are amazing.
Now THAT'S art!
@@JohnDoe-uf3lj Believe it or not it's hard to write bad poetry. Except for Vogons.
This poem can be interpreted in many different ways, as its content is quite ambiguous and has a satirical character. It can be interpreted as a criticism of authoritarian and dogmatic attitudes that impose their views and values on others, without allowing for freedom of choice and independent reflection.
The poem can also be interpreted as a criticism of certain schools of thought that create abstract constructions within their ideology, but are unable to address the concrete and real problems of people.
One can also notice in this poem a satirical tone and irony, in which the author portrays the character of "Jordan P." as an authoritarian and conceited "guru" who claims to have the exclusive right to define what is good and bad for others.
Overall, the interpretation of this poem depends on individual perspective and context in which it is situated, but it can be read as a criticism of authoritarianism, dogmatism, and lack of tolerance for divergent opinions.
The fact this person was a psychologist in a clinical setting is chilling
What do you think clinical psychologists do? They deal with trauma normally stemming from childhood. It's like your chilled by a biologist writing a book about evolution.
@@JohnBender1313your example is a non-sequitur. this isn’t a book about children’s psychology. It takes revelry in the abuse and trauma.
@@BlahblahblahblahJbPsucks how does it take revelry in it? They are warnings. If a climatologist writes a child's book about the harms of pollution are you going to be upset about that too?
@@BlahblahblahblahJbPsucks My condolences, because I'm certain that you'll have endless notifications soon trying to gaslight you into believing that there is nothing alarming about a (soon former) clinical psychologist making an overpriced, twee collection of 4 line, simple rhyme poems using deeply inappropriate, sophomoric language about "prancing fathers" (when the correct clinical term is "serial child abuser") and "competed for his tail" (meaning, one of these two characters got raped in prison).
@@b.parker1740 it's okay to show children as young as 6 how to lube a dildo for anal insertion but not okay to talk about the psychological effects of that? Got it.
13:36 In the O poem, I’m reminded of my own childhood being raised by a man with untreated OCPD.
I could never do anything right, the “right” way was never clearly laid out and given as examples, and he used it to gaslight me, made me quite confused and to feel as though I was stupid for not being able to mow or sweep correctly.
It took me decades to be able to find things like gardening and yard work, fulfilling again.
It’s still a bad poem, but I do get what’s trying to be said.
As an amateur poet, I feel a lot better about my poems after reading some of these
It's bizarre how long it took me to understand that physical abuse is not in any way beneficial.
I think the day it really struck me that I was just a victim of abuse was when I went to a social worker that would help me navigate the physical abuse I experienced. Until that moment, I had to explain to people what was happening and convince them that I was not making stuff up. I explained to that old man, that I didn't think I was undeserving of punishment, just not to the extend I had to explain my bruises to friends. The man responded to me in a very bored and calm way, that any abuse is just proof that people have run out of arguments to make. I then wanted to weigh in with my opinion, and he said, that I don't have to convince him of being reasonable or understanding of abuse, he can tell that I'm being abused just by how I am a classic case of how abuse is passed down in a generation and the violence is scaled down compared to the previous generation, the fact that I'm here still defending abuse is all he needs to know.
I can't even describe the feeling I felt back then, that I was not only a victim of abuse, but just how I could be categorized like that, as if it was as a real thing...by the one man I didn't have to convince of my abuse in the first place.
its hard to recognize abuse when you grow up in it, im glad you found help, hope youre doing better now
Thank you for sharing this so eloquently. Before therapy I refused to acknowledge that I was abused because my parents didn't beat me, and my grandparents beat them.... so I had no "right" to complain.
Therapy is so important for everyone.... Jordan Peterson has exploited the trust of his patients and is disgustingly cruel.
Social workers should be the highest-paid members of society.
I only understood how much I had been abused when I was living with my then girlfriend's family.
There were arguments of course, but no one was throwing things, no one was getting hit, there was yelling but it was more raised voices than shrieking.
I had a weird jealousy of my gf, if that was the worst she had to experience, I never understood why she couldn't just come out as a lesbian (we were dating in secret).
I have since left my family, it's been 5 years now and I am about to get married to my fiancé and getting ready to save for a house. If we have kids, I want to make sure they feel safe and know they are wanted and loved. No one should go through that kind of abuse and if I ever see myself falling into the same patterns of my parents I'm going to find a way to stop it, I'll do anything to make sure they get to be kids and have a good childhood and get prepared for adulthood.
I'm sorry but this comment is insane 😂😂 I can't understand a single thing you were trying to say 😵 not trying to make fun of you being a victim of abuse though 😇😬
I was expecting these poems to be hacky and cruel, but I wasn't expecting them to be *quite* so incomprehensible. They all have that distinct odor of first drafts that the author was too precious about to revise up to a better and more comprehensible second draft.
I miss the good old times when I had never heard about this book.
So Jordan Peterson, a Canadian, published a book about child sexual abuse and death and published it in 2022. While thousands of bodies of abused and murdered Indigenous children were being recovered all over this country. He really looked at that happening and thought, "oh I have an idea for a little book". I honestly have no words.
a war is happening right now peolpes still making war game or movie how is this any different or is it because it just person you don't like?
@@LWoodGaming to even ask that puts you beneath contempt.
@@Sara_TheFatCultureCritic Or you are just trying to have a superior moral ground, which didn't work.
@@Sara_TheFatCultureCritic To be kind of pessimistic: I think a lot of people don't care for the tragedies of our world and as these horrors keep surfacing one couldn't ever cover these sort of things.
(Peterson sucks, but I wouldn't say this specific context makes him worse.)
@@LWoodGaming I really don't care to be superior to anyone, what would be the point?
I work with people in a semi-clinical way, and as a result, some of these folk have talked to me about abuse they have suffered throughout their life. Very disturbing things that will always stick with me. I've had moments where I have had my buttons pushed by these folks, but I've never considered using their trauma as a means to make fun of them or as a way to profit off of them. This is just cruel, and I think JP needs to seek therapy and anger management. This is disgusting.
Join a communist party or people like him will keep running the world.
It is disgusting. I hear lots of disturbing stuff in a professional environment and it's tough sometimes especially when someone gets really nasty but I would never ever use their trauma against them or disclose their trauma to others.
People who worked with him have said he pretty much ditched all of his clients immediately when he got famous. His last communication with a lot of them was to pressure them to mail the university for his own political purposes
@Verager I don't know if that's true but it is hilarious
it’s really gross because he seems to recognize in some of the poems that people become abusive or “bad” in some way because they were abused, and he’s pointing and laughing at them being punished as though they somehow deserve for being monsters. even though he knows exactly why they are the way they are. he’s a rare case of understanding not leading to empathy, but instead exacted cruelty.
Jordan Peterson does well at putting on the pretense that he knows what he's talking about, and so rightwing people cite him in order to be pretentious. I'm grateful that José is around to expose the falsehoods of the Alt-Right and Alt-Lite.
Correction: Pretentious people do not like to be seen as pretentious.
@@rong7496 I don't think there's anything to correct. legendre was saying right-wing people think of him as smart (he's a pseudo-intellectual, after all) and so, because they themselves are pretentious, they cite him. they don't want to be seen as pretentious; they want to behave in a pretentious way.
Weird way to say he is a liar
I love José’s content, but it doesn’t take a genius to realise Peterson is an idiot that must have bought his degree to be wrong so often about literally everything, including the thing he’s got a degree for and teaches.
As if the left didn't have pseudo-intellectuals. It's important to not fall into confirmation bias. There are nutjobs in both the right and the left.
His argument of "blowing off steam" is called Venting for professionals in his practice. Venting is done in private amongst one more professional...not on camera or sold as a book.
For the "O" poem and Oscar's father, I took that to mean things like gaslighting, which can leave someone really fucked up and confused later in life.
As a victim of childhood abuse who talks about the trauma with my therapist regularly to this day decades later, if i ever found out any therapist of mine had created anything resembling any of these ever i would fire them instantly and not rest until they had been blackballed from every professional organization i could contact. Just
This is SUCH a hideous betrayal. Just ten minutes in and this is SICKENING. Not even in his usual way, this isn’t about politics this time, this man has earned his place in hell. No context or insight that might help people understand or process what trauma does to kids and the adults they become, no empathy from him, such judgement, this man is just wrong.
Damn....I mean you said it better than I could.
He is not using names or any specifics. So you wouldn’t be successful in your endeavor to blackball him.
@@MisFellatio it's just the emotions talking. We seek to hurt those who've hurt us.
@@MisFellatio wanna bet? Again, this is me saying as a queer adult survivor of childhood abuse if i found out a current or former therapist was using their position to gather material for pithy little poems about queer abused kids and eventual prison rape. This isn’t even about Jorbson specifically, this is about if i found out any therapist i have ever worked with or considered bringing on pulled something this fucked up. And i guarantee, it would result in blackballing, because “professional organization” does not solely refer to accreditation bodies.
I couldn’t get their license pulled sure, but I do rely on public health programs and in the past hospital networks and do you think county adult behavioral health would go to bat for someone who made that kind of poem? I guarantee any therapist i reported for that would be sacked, that’s alienating so many patients. I’ve fired psychologists from my personal treatment team or left group therapies for way less, and found out later they got a new job maybe as a result of the complaint I made, maybe not. This sort of shit, i would follow UP when complaining and say “i don’t just want him off my team, i want him off yours. And at the new job, i want to be sure you and all your clients know who you hired, and i want it up on the “look up your doctor” sites and a formal complaint with the licensing body even if it doesn’t get that license pulled so that anyone who researchers this guy sees ‘hey before you trust this guy with your money or trauma, maybe you should read his pithy little prison rape poem about abuse survivorship.’”
My current therapist I’ve been seeing for more than 6 years now. Multiple times a month. I trust him with stuff i don’t tell my own family, and my family i got super lucky and are my greatest source of support. He would be worse than dead to me if i saw a cute little booklet like this on his shelf, let alone wrote it.
I took a read of the Gashlycrumb Tinies and was impressed by the bluntness of the death circumstances, combining words and illustrations with cartoonish children to create a surreal experience, yet still delivering the basic message of how one should be careful always (among other interpretations); the purpose of the book was to communicate an often light-hearted message in juxtaposition with the reality of the unfortunate consequences that could happen if you are not careful.
The issue with the collection of poems from Peterson is that the poems are fundamentally dark humor: the message seems to be that you are born in unfortunate circumstances and you can not do anything about them, and that they will plague the rest of your life; hence, it takes a sense of dark humor to laugh at the children's plight. This combined with the subliminal social assertions makes this a very ambiguous read, I would imagine.
21:52 MMMMM
To be honest my reading of O is that (at least in my experience) abuse especially from a parent CAN be extremely confusing. They want everything from you but won’t let you and they find some reason to be upset at you even when you do exactly what they want. And I think the last line of Oscar being quite obtuse was either A. Being vague to people in fear of abuse or B. The abuse affecting him in such a way where his communication skills were not “up to par” I guess
In the US: Fanny = butt
In Ireland: Fanny = female genitalia
Peterson's cursed poetry is now even more cursed.
It means female genitalia in Britain, too. Threw me off completely when I first heard it.
@@hund7458
USAmerican man: "I fell on my fanny"
Me: "you fell on your WHAT?"
@@DocProctor The Nanny theme: “What was she to do? Where was she to go? She was out on her fanny!”
Australian me: “How the FUCK did she land on THAT?”
@@ikarikid oufff, that didn’t age well…
@@meinkraft501 actually, I checked my old copy of Matilda, printed in England in 1989 by Penguin. Mr Wormwood says the following to Miss Honey: “We don’t hold with book-reading. You can’t make a living from sitting on your fanny and reading story-books. We don’t keep them in the house.” Now, since Mr Wormwood is an avid watcher of the telly, so he’s probably heard some American or other use the word, but the book is aimed at children and Miss Honey doesn’t seem to get any more offended by that word than the fact that they’re complete morons, so I’m going to assume the word is just an uncommon euphemism.
There once was an essayist called José
Who made quality videos all day
I clicked on the bell
For youtube to tell
Me when I can chill and press play.
There are ways to be pithy and humorous about trauma. Using victims as a device to say “my worldview is more moral than yours” is not one of them.
"up yours, woke moralists" - Jordan "wish I was Pink Floyd" Peterman
My dude wrote 104 lines of creepy poetry about kids and thought he could cash out.
In the wise words that this man once said, “Up yours Jordan Peterson!”
“We’ll see who cancels who!”
>:(
@@JohnDoe-uf3lj The man is doing it to himself at this point
I wanted to comment on O. When it was said , how can something be confusing and abusive (not a direct quote, but what I got from one of the narrator). Being abused by your parents as the child in O was, that is extremely confusing. You are told that this parent loves you and even says things like, “this is for your own good” or “I do this because I love you.” I’m surprised that was not picked up by you or the people you asked to look at the poems. Being abused by a parent is beyond confusing, so I’m left confused as to how one of the narrators was like, “pick one!” No abuse from a parent is beyond confusing, they are not mutually exclusive.
Yeah, I think they were reading way too much into this one. The confusion could be due to his contradictory views and/or the contradiction of being a parent and a danger to the child. It's as straightforwardly gross as the others.
I was thinking the same thing, but I can't begrudge anyone for missing out on obvious details while trying to get through this sort of trash
There were a lot of times I felt those interpreting these missed the mark just because of who peterson is and let their biases get in the way
This is coming from someone who didn't like him before and now despises him after this video
Totally agree, and I believe Zoe B to be an intelligent and preceptive person. I am not in her mind so I cannot tell you why she reacted to the poem the way she did, but I can take a wild guess. I think that Peterson gets a lot of hate, justifiably, in these circles, and so I think the impulse is to say everything he says or does is bad. The problem with Peterson, in my eyes, is that 80% of what he says can be put in the "actually helpful" or "not a big deal" folders. It's the last 20% of shit that he sneaks in there with all the rest of it that is horrible. Look at his 12 rules for example...
1. Stand up straight with your shoulders back. (Not a big deal)
2. Treat yourself like someone you are responsible for helping. (Potentially actually helpful.)
3. Make friends with people who want the best for you. (Actually helpful.)
4. Compare yourself to who you were yesterday, not to who someone else is today. (Actually helpful)
5. Do not let your children do anything that makes you dislike them. (pretty authoritarian)
6. Set your house in perfect order before criticizing the world. (Designed to get people to accept shitty things as normal)
7. Pursue what is meaningful, not what is expedient. (Potentially helpful)
8. Tell the truth or at least don't lie. (Helpful, if pretty obvious)
9. Assume the person you are listening to might know something you don't (potentially helpful.)
10. Be precise in your speech (helpful, even though he often doesn't follow this rule himself.)
11. Do not bother children while they are skateboarding. (Hard to tell with this one. Can be interpreted a couple different ways. Could be helpful, could be meant to enforce gender roles on kids.)
12. Pet a cat when you encounter one on the street. (Helpful.)
@@nothanks6549 I wish he'd follow these rules himself
19:05 now i gotta listen to a gorey demise by creature feature
A is for Amber who drowned in a pool
B is for Billy who was eaten by ghouls
C is for Curt with disease in the brain
D is for Daniel derailed on a train
E is for Eric who is buried alive
F is for Frank who was stabbed through the eye
G is for Greg who died in the womb
H is for Heather who was sealed in a tomb
What REALLY concerns me is that this is book is a "Volume One." This does NOT need a sequel!
the bonus points i hoped to find
lay hopeless, just within my mind
so slowly i begin to write
a poem for my own delight
A small response, a random schmuck,
An internet found line, what luck
Have I! Yet to respond: your points
You’ve gained, to my appraise! Ten points!
This book is so weird because I kind of vibe with the artwork and general aesthetic, and I like the idea of a short little poetry collection like this (very "scary stories to tell in the dark"-esque), the actual content is so insufferably bad that it is horrifying in a completely unintended Manner.
Maybe I should try something like this but actually good. Writing poems based on each letter of the alphabet around a central theme seems like a good writing exercise tbh. They would definitely be longer than four lines though.
You need Edward Gorey!
Yeah I enjoy living dead dolls and morbid poems is pretty much their bread and butter (there's one where a little girl dresses like an angel and jumps off a roof believing she can fly) but the ones in this book just felt meanspirited.
I vibe with the rate
That's the only legitimate criticism you can have on this in my opinion, everything else that's being discussed in the comments section is so ridiculous and reaching. Pathetic attempt to further damage JP's reputation, by making it all about the authors persona rather than the actual work of art. That being said, yes it's a pretty crappy book. Great concept, bad approach.
Haikus are only three lines, four in some old variations. I don't think the length is the problem. The Gorey book, only has one line per page.
Quality poetry comes from understanding what you're saying with each word.
Just like Ben Shapiro, Jordan Peterson admires art, but doesnt really know what it is. I could also mention Matt Walsh; whos childrens book is completly absurd in a way that isnt at all compelling. It makes absolutely no sense, and children doesnt find it interesting; because they have no way of understanding Matts insane take on trans issues.
This book answers the question ‘what if Ted bundy wrote poems for kids?’
Every bit of writing Peterson touches gives the impression he thinks about childhood abuse a lot, and not always in a negative light either. As if abuse has wide moral complexity.
Dangerous thought process there. Abuse is inherently negative, I seriously doubt JP is going to advocate for it and would probably assume there’s definitely a bias there.
Not only that, but the poems at once reminded me of different codes human traffickers and p*dos use on the internet to communicate in plain sight. The illustrations only strengthen the impression that the book is for people who actually enjoy stories of child abuse, since the poems offer no resolution or catharsis or sympathy for the victim
"wait a minute its complicated" "we have been wrestling with this question for the past 50 years"
@@abdullahkuzhan7247 jordan peterson is that you???
To play devil's advocate, abuse can seem more morally complex to the victim themselves, so perhaps some of these are supposed to echo the confusion a victim can feel. Abuse is plainly negative to other around you, but it isn't so plainly negative when you're the recipient - you might feel guilt, you might feel as though you deserve it, you might feel as though it wasn't all bad, you might be confused at how much you are responsible for your own actions etc... .
the children being "deservedly punished" makes me think of Dennis Prager's common sentiment that all children are terrible. Maybe Peterson was watching old Denis when he wrote these
My interpretation was different, or my focus anyway. I conjured an adult Peterson who was bullied as a child and had unfulfilled fantasies of revenge against his bullies.
My interpretation may be wildly different from his intent, but that's what was conjured in my mind, nonetheless.
@@reed6514 Considering how hateful he was to actual children in that playground moment in 12 Rules, I am going to assume he actually doesn't like kids very much. He certainly doesn't act like he does. His daughter definitely acts like he doesn't.
@@xXluluchanelXx you probably right
Children are terrible tho. Get on an airplane and sit across, in front or behind one.
@@xXluluchanelXx true his daughter literally shipped him off to that Russian coma clinic
Now here's a book that says "I had enough ideas for ~10 poems, but I'm also pretty attached to the alphabet theme, so I'm afraid there's going to be a bunch of repeats"
As a practicing therapist, yeah, we are human and sometimes have hard thoughts about clients, sure. But I can honestly say I have never, never ever, even once, had the thought that ANY client of mine deserved their childhood abuse or SA. Not once. Not even a bit. That is genuinely concerning to me.
Right?! Like, so much of our work is helping clients disassemble the "just world" worldview. How did he not also disassemble that idea himself during all those years of clinical work?
I mean all these poems have this common thing that Jordan Peterson likes to do which is focusing on sounding complex and smart, but having no substance, or a really horrifying one
Thank you! I have been watching some of his TH-cam's. A family member has tickets to see him . When I asked why you want to the answer was ambivalent. As I watch him I see a man who has a huge ego wanting to make himself into a kind of icon but always seems to me his gobbledegoop is exactly that. All words no substance and the psuedointellectuals faun over him as if he is this great thinker. I was so glad to come across this TH-cam and read others comments. I no longer feel alone in the derision I feel for this con man
I'm convinced now. I can publish my own garbage poems. The bar is that low.
100% yes. You just do the thing and put your work out there even if it's bad, and you keep working on it & getting better & hopefully build a following in the process (if that's your goal).
Onision somehow wrote and published not one but THREE books that alone is proof people will publish anything, and I guarantee whatever you've written is still better than that.
If I can say one thing about JP it's that he continues to surprise. Every time I think it can't get worse... I'm wrong.
Thanks for ruining my day by reminding me JP doesn't only stand for Jurassic Park...
Peterson proves once again that he's a lightweight talent with over ambitious pretensions.
I read O as a story about how lack of critical thought regarding your own views leads parents to create double binds (damned if you do, damned if you don't) for their children without realizing it, leading them to abuse and confuse their children. However, the way it's written makes it hard to really confirm that. Maybe writing isn't something JP should pursue.
I also read it that way, because from personal experience, the expectations of abusive parents are often contradictory and confusing to children
I like this interpretation. I do think it's a little unclear, but it seems like most poetry is.
I appreciate your effort to understand, rather than just saying it doesn't make sense and writing it off as simply bad.
@@reed6514 It is bad. But I think they figured out the interpretation, which JBP made very difficult.
yeah that was sort of my reading too. I also think you can have a parent that is both confusing and abusive. Like if a parent asks for something and the child doesn't get what it is, and so don't do it, they could get abused or if they ask for clarification then how could they have not understood, they had 'made it so clear.' but that was just what occurred to me. otherwise on the whole the poems don't make a whole lot of sense. or are in bad taste or have no rhythm.
@@reed6514most poetry is not unclear. Its poetic. Thats not the same thing. This shit is just nonsense that is deliberately vague so that anything you do to fill in the blanks ( and its mostly blanks) will improve the reading of the "poem"
Error right away, Peterson isn't a psychologist, he is a FORMER psychologist, his license got revoked for breaking almost any basic principle of phycology
Last I checked, his license was still active, he's currently being investigated. Even if his clinical license to practice was revoked, he would still be a psychologist capable of teaching and conducting research.
@@JoseBird that kinda make you question the standards of the field when he can do all that stuff for ages and at worst not practice it but still teach it...
@@LillyP-xs5qe The field of psychology has always had a turbulent history.
I wish. but we can keep hoping. I don't think his "peers" are going to stop coming for him now, and deservedly so.
@@LillyP-xs5qelol I like how you responded and edited a comment but never edited your initial “NO YOU’RE WRONG” comment. Classic
Jordy was a crying boy
who suffered from the menzies
They coma-d him with russian drugs
for scoffing all the benzies
Just found my English poetry project from 6th grade and can genuinely and confidently say it is better than any of his work ever. The art for the poems are equally shallow and horrific, but I’m glad it made Peter uncomfortable when he found out he was depicted in it. Gonna write a book of poetry about Peter being ruthlessly tormented by the kids he mocked in his book and his fans creeping him out.
The problems with the book were articulated well here. I was thinking "it's like he's trying for 'the gashlycrumb tinies' but f-ing it up" right before "The Gashlycrumb Tinies" was introduced as the inspiration (oof) ...& I get an artists' work being influenced by challenging work (I'm thinking of Abigail Goldman's dark dioramas) but the tone of these poems was ...off.
Yeah, I thought the same thing. Also: *artist's.
@@R.B.564 yeah, apostrophes wander away from me a lot
Speaking of tone, what I got from Peterson's when he read D was a kind of "and now you laugh" tone. Just something about the way he read it. Maybe my brain is just confused because it's a pretty heavy subject and his squeaky kermit voice doesn't have the kind of gravitas that's needed to convey that.
Peterson was 1 year old when Kennedy died. One year olds don't have memories like that. Profoundly dangerous person. His poems provide more insight into how he is built than any of his lectures, and also reinforce his core message: Life is terrible and this is how it should be.
well, 1-2 years old is statistically most likely to be a false memory. most people’s earliest memories are between age 3-5. I know personally that i have what feels like a memory of a birthday party my sister had which was dinosaur/palaeontologist themed, all the kids god these cute little helmets and my parents put up big tropical leaves as decorations- i know i certainly remember it, and i remember remembering it very far back, but we have pictures from that day and im a literal baby. it’s hard to imagine i actually remember the event itself, but it feels that way. further on i have memories from when i was about two and then lots of clear memories from age three onwards. JP may really feel like he remembers that event, and there is a chance that he does have that accessible memory from age one, though its disputed whether or not that’s truly possible.
I thought the same thing when I heard Kennedy but then double checked and he’s talking about Robert Kennedy’s assassination in 1968. Still a strange thing for a 5 year old to idolise a funeral but I guess JP just loves national mourning.
@@PolaroidLung An interesting observation of mine:
I've had a few passing friends who solely admire JP and his work (they carefully avoid his more controversial or negative contributions and focus in favor of focusing on the hysteria of his most wild detractors).
Anyways, based on what I learned of them, and inversely of JP, and from other sources, they all struggle with a severe sort of crushing existentialism that perpetually has them looking at the world in extreme degree's.
To an extent a great deal of their work and world views are entire degree's of self projection, where even internal fights of good and evil are partially referring to themselves at any given moment.
They want to _earn_ that glorious funeral, because the prospect of being anything other than pure and "holy" (to put it lightly) is to be evil. Like, any and all definitions of evil are simultaneously accounted for. And its a pressure and uncertainty that seems to drive them at a pathological level.
I believe he said robert kennedy
@@asimhussain8716 you hear what you want to hear. Think for your own damn self, sheep.
Vogon poets are taking notes
I have such a gripe with poems that use alliteration in regard to the letter, but completely divorced from the sound the letter is representing.
In “T” he uses the alliteration “terrible treacherous troll” to reinforce the T in the name *Theo.* (also, most people pronounce the T in treacherous with a “ch” sound - though that’s far less egregious)
In “I” the alliteration is between “Isaiah” and “Idiocy” in the first line - whose “I”s are pronounced with different vowel sounds
In “O” he uses “Oscar” and “Oafish” in the first line - whose “O”s are pronounced with different vowel sounds
Like, these are four line poems - it shouldn’t be hard to find good alliterations for this stuff. It’s C-tier kid’s book writing. Take some pride in your work, my dude.
Also, if you’re gonna format all your poems so rigidly, BE CONSISTENT. His rhyme schemes and alliterative conventions are so inconsistent
Those "poems" sound like notes strewn around a horror game to make the atmosphere more unsettling.
What is living but a horror game played by god for his amusement?
Wait are they really all just four lines long? It's like a 4 year old trying to be edgy
I heard passages of one of Peterman's earlier books and he frequently talks with absolute derision toward former female patients. The only male patients he talks about as having problems stemming from being victimized by women, mistreated by mommy or not having a father figure in their lives.
The fact that he's a therapist writing this is kind of gross. The ick you'd feel if one of his little rhymes matched up with a story you told him
Vogon poetry is now the 4th worst poetry in the Universe.
Criminally underrated comment 😂
Felt it in my gobberwarts.
I hate that people like JP make me stoop so low, but honestly, there's about a dozen people on the internet right who I wish with every bone in body would just... not be alive.
I'm so exhausted with these people. I'm so done. I'm so burnt out. They are a "big C"
I feel you. I hate Matt Walsh and MTG with every inch of my body and have often wished they... weren't here. They've caused so much harm to so many people, but I think that applies to every famous conservative and far-right winger at this point.
To paraphrase poorly, "I hope for no one's death, but have read many an obituary with some pleasure."
You wish for someone to be dead? Did you ever stop to think maybe you're the bad guy? That's really messed up, man.
@@JohnBender1313 Messed up is actively pushing for increased harm to queer people, which people like JP and Matt Walsh do for a living. I'd be happy if either of them ceased to exist, but I'd never *act* on that. Big difference.
@@JohnBender1313 how can they be the bad guy if they constantly say they are the good guy?
Jordan Peterson’s sense of humour is wild but not unexpected for such a crazed old man
I've never noticed even a trace of humour in him.
The D poem is in my mind very obviously about the boy. Peterson believes one needs a straight mother and a straight father. So Dick who grew up with a gay dad, lacked a proper “father” figure because his dad was gay, went off and got into trouble, thus winding up in jail where he was sexually assaulted by a man/men. Thus paralleling what led him to that point.
Just reading the title already had me going "Oh God, this is gonna be painful" but here I am all the same!
Edit: Oh wow, this is even worse than I expected. JBP needs to stay far away from this sort of writing.
Judging by the writing, he should be kept far away from children as well.
And far away from children, too
Jordan Peterson: What would happen if Carl Jung and a creepypasta character had a baby?
That's an insult to creepypasta characters, they at least get to the point and kill you
What I feel is really telling about these „Poems“ is that all of them kinda feel veueristic. Like him getting off to the traumatic implications of violated children almost. And there is where I say, why does he write them like this? Why do these victims not have any sort of agency in these poems? Cause I feel like a lot of this kind of thing is written by people that don‘t really care about the abuse. They only care about the „wow so profound!“ and the „look how edgy I‘m being in my writing!“ wich is what you typically get from ppl that write about these things without any care or compassion for these fates.
It may be a bit moralistic of me, but I feel that we owe our characters to uplift them in some way. I mean sure tragedy exists but good tragedy even kinda has some sort of agency and value in the protagonists lives being lived even if they are harsh and end badly. Tragedy really works so well at least for me because it kinda shows that the journey is always worth it and that the end isn‘t the only thing that matters. Wich is a thing many narratives or forms of story telling type of arts lack hence why tragedies can fill in that lack well. Otherwise we wouldn‘t care for the tragic ending.
So this kind of poetry just feels like him stroking his ego about how he can write #dark stuff while he doesn‘t make an effort to empower these victims or say anything about this that‘s more than: „abuse happens! Isn‘t that so sad and shocking?“ like, we know Jordan? We‘ve known this for a LONG time. It‘s time to say something more than that. It‘s time to empower victims and give them back their agency. It‘s time to be compassionate if you use their trauma for your own artistic gain and you‘re not a victim yourself. It‘s time to at least offer some answers to these things. Or to just give something more meaningful than „look! Child abuse! Isn‘t that nasty?“ like we know Jordan! We know abuse done to children exists and that it‘s horrible! But this isn‘t giving us anything valuable we don‘t know already! Say something meaningful! Say something that actually will matter or empower victims! Say something that calls out the criminals behind the abuse! And the apathetic onlookers and the inaction of any adults around victims. Say something about why it happens so much in families. Say something about how it makes victims feel or affects them in life. Just more than this pathetic veueristic self entitlement and ego stroking.
I bet anyone in the comments here reading this could write a better poem about this topic too. Especially ones that have experienced this kind of abuse themselves. So if any of you wanna reply with your own feel free to do so. And thank you as well for reading up to this point. Yall are better Artists than this wannabe edgelord.
It doesn’t work like this. First, one must re- live the trauma. Peterson would frame it as death. So be it, though I don’t believe in resurrection and I would certainly be EXTREMELY unhappy if I were brought back from the dead. Once is more than enough, thank you for the offer 😄
14:30, this was my abusive mother. Part of abuse is often to leave the victim confused, and when you grow up with that it's hard to know how to interact with people in a healthy way.
That one actually feels representative of my experience.
I think the "O" poem is in reference to the right-leaning talking point about how terms like intersectionality, patriarchy, racism and homo/transphobia is often seen as confusing. Oscar's dad is a 'lefty loon' who calls his own son a bigot for "just being a straight white man" or something. To Peterson it's both seen as a confusing worldview that leaves people dull to how the "real world" works, but because he is so incapable of separating broader systemic critiques from personal insults he also sees it as some sort of verbal abuse.
Something I never understood by the "it's so confusing" angle of bigotry is that it isn't followed by trying to understand it
If I complained that things were confusing and didn't try to understand it I wouldn't have made past kindergarten
@@airplanes_aren.t_real That's the point. To these people, the truth is supposed to be simple and obvious. So obvious that you don't need to teach it to people; they just recognize it as the right way and move on.
If it is at all "confusing" or takes more than 20 seconds to explain, then it's not the "truth". Especially if there is a much simpler competing "truth."
@@GeneralBolas did you happen to read Truth by Hector MacDonald?
One of my all time favorite books. Your statement regarding a "competing truth" is why i ask
This sounds as Peterson was trying to achieve a mashup of two abecedarians by Edward Gorey: "The Gashlycrumb Tinies" and "The Fatal Lozenge." The verse form most closely resembles the latter, which consists of quatrains like:
The Suicide, as she is falling,
Illuminated by the moon,
Regrets her act, and finds appalling
The thought she will be dead so soon.
Every quatrain forms a complete thought and even, in this case, the outline of a plot.
Is that a real poem?
@@claudiamanta1943 Yes. "The Fatal Lozenge" is an abecedarian, one of Gorey's favorite forms, that is, it consists of 26 quatrains, one for each letter of the alphabet. Another example is:
The Baby, lying meek and quiet
Upon the customary rug,
Has dreams of rampage and riot
And will grow up to be a thug.
Since Jordan worked in clinic, this might be a way for him to dump a lot of what he have endured, while trying to help clients, listening and doing his best to help, he sure wont escape lightly mentaly.
I dont find this bad at all, its facing the darkest of the dark. showing the reality of some poor souls.
these "experts" dont seem to understand what purpos the poems have. but wth do I know, I'm just a guy on the internet.✌
These poems remind me of the creepy/messed up poems that you sometimes see in crappy horror games.
Considering Jordan Peterson has shared a story about his grandmother rubbing her pubic hair in front of him, I'm not surprised by the content of this book. He has a a lot of trauma he's avoiding, while attempting to help others with their trauma. That probably explains why is advice is either super vague common sense, or really obscure and random moral stances to feel superior without facing any real issue.
"volume one" the absolute nerve of Peterson to presume and/or threaten the release of *another* collection of his poetry
EDIT: i wrote the above before watching the video lmfao and oh my god i'm terrified of the idea of Peterson writing even more poetry reveling in the suffering of children. this book does highlight one thing: for as much as the right fearmongers "think of the children" whenever kids learn that drag queens exist, the right does not care about children at all. if anything, the right kinda hates kids and just uses them as objects to serve whatever political purpose or agenda they're trying to push.
Pretty much, they are pro life when it comes to the womb of women but when it comes to actual babies in need they don't give a flying a fuck it's not their problem, they cry about CRT in school but don't mind that Kids In school who can't afford school lunches have their food thrown away or have their parents threaten with child services or jail
The right views children as property, and property does not and should not have thoughts of its own. If the property dares to try, then they must remind it of its place.
@@LawnPygmy I think it funny that they will imply this with their actions but ultimately expect their children to be mini versions of themselves.
My father-in-law is a conservative Christian who always saw my fiancé as a mini-me, so when she came out as trans, he had a moment of, 'Oh no, I sure hope that doesn't mean there's something up with me'.
Ultimately they have already decided what their kids will be, anything that strays from that is unacceptable.
Every parent wants their children to have their moral values, in fact that's part of what being a parent means, and I don't think that makes the right special in any way. That's why left-leaning parents take their children to those drag hours, because they think it's morally right and they want their children to see it that way.
Big Doug‘s First Movie vibes here
I think one (generous) read of the "O" Poem could be that Oscar's father is both abusive and stupid, and Oscar's confusion is in how he needs to act to please his father's ever-shifting whims, which is fairly common with cases of child abuse.
E.g. he's shouted at for staying inside all day instead of tending to the yard, and again for going outside and tending to the yard while the parents are away. "Do you want people to think we're slobs??/bad parents!?/etc."
A generous read, I know. But who knows, maybe he used his experience in the field for precisely one single poem and it was this one.
In regards to the Oscar poem I could see it read as something like: Oscar was abused growing up by his father based on flimsy, nonsensical, or even contradictory justifications (eg getting hit for “glaring” at him one time, getting hit for not looking him in the eyes when talking another time). Basically the father was just looking for any conceivable excuse to hit the kid, regardless of consistency or logic. Oscar internalizes this as “the rules don’t have to make sense you just follow the rules because they’re the rules” and maybe also “when I’m the boss nothing has to make sense”.
I don’t really believe that’s what Peterson was going for but it could be read that way.
"But also: limes! We forgot to mention limes!" made me laugh harder than anything in weeks
We need to stop treating poetry as this "sacred amazing thing" and realize it is on the same level as song lyrics. It can be good and deep and moving, but a lot of the time its just some awful dude talking about all his bad thoughts
It's hard because good poetry is hard for most people to recognize (hard for anyone really, it inherently takes a lot of focus and intentional deep reading), and so it's easy for good and bad to all blend together as seeming more or less the same. Like how my grandpa genuinely can't tell the difference between 14 year olds rapping for the first time and Kendrick Lamar.
What I thought while watching this is how effective the poems would be removed from the (imo) fairly impressive artwork, and I don't think they'd stand on their own. It has kinda similar vibes to scary stories to tell in the dark to me, but I believe those works would still be pretty good separate from their associated art, though I can't actually imagine them separately due to childhood nostalgia.
Real shame that that artist seems to be down deep in the alt right hole, but talent and logic aren't exactly closely tied...lots of great artists out there with awful political views.
It's more that the average person has little or no ability to separate good and bad poetry. That is no condemnation, merely an unimpeachable fact. It has no place in modern culture, and it is assigned academic merit equal to the forlorn and neglected art form that it is. That is to say, a paltry amount. It makes me sad, because I think poetry can be stupendous. Robust in complexity and satisfying in a primal way that far surpasses lyrical music like as not. For goodness' sake, most people don't even understand that it is primarily an auditory form. They read it like prose and wonder what the big deal is, completely hamstringing their appreciation of the piece. I agree it isn't sacred at all, but it has the potential for wonder and retrospection and pleasure just as surely as prose and music. I hope one day it makes a major comeback and can stand as an equal in the public consciousness.
@@johngleeman8347 I come from Scotland, a country with a deep attachment to poetry as a symbol of pre-Anglicised culture. In primary school, we had an entire month devoted to Robert Burns in primary school, close reading the poems and making art and even food that was inspired by his works. Practically everyone raised in Scotland can recognise To A Louse or Scots Wha Hae, if not rattle a few of his lines off the top of their head. And yet, they're generally shallow poems, with usually about as much depth as "I love you, sexy lady" or "being Scottish is good" or "some people are hypocrites". They're interesting for historical cultural reasons, but they really haven't got much to say.
Poetry is not an exclusively spoken medium. Many poems are mean to be read aloud, but others are working specifically to fit a print medium - Alec Finlay's circle poems are completely altered in meaning when read because they don't have a linear structure. Meanwhile, I did poetry speaking competitions in school for years, and absolutely nothing of value was added or derived in terms of the artistry of the works we were reading. It only adds something if the performer has something go add. It's not a superior format, it's just different.
What a sour comment
up yours, woke moralists! we’ll see who cancels who!
J is for Jordan, the saddest of men 😥
He should calm down and eat veggies again 🥦
My interpretation of the o poem would be that the father's views made him act in ways which are abusive yet arbitrary, so Oscar was left without a consistent set of rules to keep him out of trouble, then became obtuse because of it. I may just be reading too much into it but that was my gut thought on reading it.
I think you are right. The commentor on the video sound so indoctrinated and sees everything through his very limited set of allowed to express thoughts. It's fascinating.