She Needs Space | 3 Common Relationship-Ending Mistakes To Avoid
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- The 3 common & deadly mistakes most men make
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Is it advisable....to text your partner good morning and good night every day?
Hi Geoffrey, how do I know if no contact is the correct way to go.
Guys what I would want to say is make all these changes for urself because if in your head you tell yourself you are doing this for your partner a part of u deep down will feel entitled for some kind of positive recognition from her which may not come as partners often resist new changes causing u to fail in making these changes. If you bring yourself to bring about these changes in yourself for yourself only because you believe u are destined to be a high value man then it doesn't matter how your partner reacts to it cuz u aren't doing it for her and in the end as a byproduct you would end up attracting your partner back too
Do correct me Geoffrey if I am wrong on this
@@ahmedshah5922 Right! Need to do it from an un-tethered state.
Using the same falling vs. striving analogy here - constantly thinking about the relationship and doing everything for her (or one person) is not only in-effective, but she can feel your manipulation, and in-genuineness from a mile away.
We talk a lot about this in our videos on Paradox of Change.
@@GeoffreySetiawan so it's worth doing the program even if it has no effect on the ex? Or even if you're not trying to fix it anymore because it's best to move on?
Essentially asking if the program has great merit and still worth the process doing it solely for self improvement for future relationships. Even if you never get back with this person for whatever variety of potential reasons.
@@Toomaz123 I'm not Geoffrey but yes u can use this program even if there's actually no chance with your ex (there probably still is) the name of the program is relationships revival but in reality what Geoffrey teaches us is a way of life that can be used in all the relationships u have with people and how u view the world and yourself e.t.c this is actually just a self help program so yes partner or no partner atm the program can be very much useful if you have the funds I'd highly recommend you to buy it I unfortunately don't have them but once I do I will purchase this program right away because who wouldn't want a better life
@@ahmedshah5922 my relationship is long gone. She blocked me on social media, shes with another guy for a few months now, its progressing quickly, and i have seen things in her that make me no longer want her. i just want to learn from all my mistakes, never repeat them again, and be better from now on. since the name is relationship revival, i assumed that reviving a failing relationship was its sole purpose. but perhaps not. hopefully it can still help
I'm a woman who asked for space and there was a valid reason for this. Guys, here me out. He stopped trying ,he stopped listening , he started doing hurtful things. I had not lost attraction. He would never say sorry for cancelling me last moment, ruining my weekends. That was a reason for me to say enough is enough. Men, think. Is there something you probably did that hurt your partner repeatedly? Do not assume she lost attraction. It could be you that you stopped trying. Have a think before giving up on her. Give her space. But try to look at your own behaviour too & after a while passes by, talk to her. If she is willing to talk, she still loves you and will be with you if she sees you care & are trying to be a better man. Hear it from a woman.
This can be difficult when she's in limerence with someone else and uses you as a back up when they're not working out. I feel like I'm losing .self-respect / dignity
My dude ACTUALLY studies women. Not “the game”
I have been watching so many of Geoffrey's videos to help me through my relationship issues. The more I learn the more I want to know. I look forward to growing and learning about how to be a stable person, whether or not me and my girl work out
Some of the problems I find is that gossip between your wife/girlfriends friends can be very damaging. She has most likely spoken to them about the things which annoy her about you! As we know people tend to dwell on the negative points and not broadcasting the positive memories. Especially if her friends are not having luck in relationships and your wife/girlfriend tends to moan about her man to make her feel at their level. If her female friends don't have children they are a bad influence, The ones who do have children but divorced are never likely to admit to your wife/girlfriend that they made a mistake. Also the chance of your wife/girlfriend telling her friends she made a mistake or swallowing her pride and changing her mind is also unlikely.
Omg. Agree
I agree with you here.
Facts bro
My ex has been hanging around with her single/separated friend,influenced I think so.Right my ex is dating multiple people but nothing serious she said.
If you don't want your wife to have female friends, you are pushing her away. Try to be a better partner and she won't complain about you.
Hey guys, I want to let you all know that Following Geoffrey’s videos will absolutely work for you, If you check back on his posts you will see him and I having conversations in the comments, I went from absolutely Hopeless, I did everything wrong imaginable, being clingy and depressed, to now seeing each other and although I’m not back together with her that is a choice that I have made, looking inwards and improving myself as a man, when I focused on the changes not the results she saw my changes and realised they were genuine, I now know that there is hope and I will use these lessons to be the best boyfriend/husband to my future partner, thank you for everything Geoff, Much love!
Just off the videos?
@@chitos2132 yes! Just off videos, of course booking with Geoff is preferable but I achieved this off videos alone, It wasn’t an over night thing either, it took me watching several videos, several times to achieve this happiness, stop focusing on what she did wrong and instead on what I did to cause this, stop focusing on the results and start focusing on the Journey!
@@deathofchanel8568 Great dude! Happy to hear. Of course, it's do-able, but remember that there are always levels! This is a topic that does not have right answers, but just varying levels of "better" :) I would be honored to get the opportunity to show you higher levels beyond your wildest imagination via the program in the future.
How do you balance space when we have kids and are co-parenting?
exactly where I'm at here.
This video has made me realize I’ve been going about this the wrong way. I really have been doing the things you shouldn’t do. My only question would be is there a way to correct the mistakes I made? I realized I have been active and passive hunting but I want to change that.
Thank you so much for your content. I have tried all three and of course hasn't given the results I'd like which leads into my root issue; I know I've commented on plenty of videos with my struggles and my biggest struggle has remained... Becoming untethered from the outcome. I have improved and got better with outward and inner emotional control compared to how I was when I started the journey. My bulletproof vest hasn't yet become effective against all "calibers" of ammunition. I also have found the massive error in my logic of wanting or thinking that the process is linear at all. Living together still whilst they continue with their plans and feeling like I'm enabling or facilitating a life I don't want hasn't been serving me in becoming untethered either. Being a martyr and pity and my "morals" regarding the fact that we still live together has created a block in me against allowing myself to meet other people because I don't want to be a hypocrite or give her any release of guilt by allowing myself to engage in the same behaviors that I've been critical of her for. That's all my own issue though.
Robert - Yup! We see the same pattern of either denial or lack of awareness, with our new clients as well. And this is why, if you watch my client stories, they often say that simply watching YT videos isn't enough.
We need to remember that we are dealing with years of very deeply embedded subconscious and unconscious paradigms here, and we need to immerse ourselves in an environment that allows and pushes us to find those deeper layers.
(e.g. We can logically understand that we need to be un-tethered and not play the victim, but often unless someone pushes us, we will be unaware of how we fall for them. And this is why we call it the "blind victim.")
Keep it going my man, and keep going deeper and deeper.
My girlfriend broke up with me cuz she said I'm not mature enough. We ended things crying and telling each other how much we love each other. She first said if I truly wanted to get her back, I should work on myself and ask her when I have worked on myself. Now she says she is trying to really move on. I have been texting her and not giving her space as well. Now I have started giving her her space, is there hope for my relationship at all? Should I move on?
If there is love from both sides there is hope
Mastering until you can't get it wrong is a hard one. I've actually seen myself failed a couple of times already.
Right - It sounds like a small difference between the two, but it's actually an extremely vast difference and a very important one. This is why we stress the importance of identity shifting and making your changes a massive part of your identity.
10:40 Untethering is applicable to all people for the various things in their lives. ❤
School, work, growing, and building are small examples.
What if she can’t decide because she’s empty
I need more discussion on being the brightest beacon. I'm still unsure how to do that
I have done a poor job at enabling with my partner in particular exploring and if I’m being honest I am terrified someone could do a better job than I could for her right now. The premise I set for her was that she could go and explore and find out what she needed and be in contact with her affair partner but that I didn’t want to have that exploration around myself or the kids in our home life, thus she would need to go live another place during that time if that’s the route she wanted to take. She’s chosen to stay for the time being but I still get the mixed feelings about decision making from her and wether staying for her is the right decision and she’s scared to go and take that option for fear of her losing one way or another from what she’s said. Is this still hunting on my part, should I allow this exploration in and around our family? I can’t imagine something like that being healthy for young kids but maybe I’m look at at it wrong.
In my opinion that's a complete no go around kids. This will twist their minds a lot - 2nd dad/uncle? Where is mom? Why won't she come home? Etc. But I can't really say much as I don't believe that letting your partner explore is a good method in general. It seems crazy to me that I let my beloved sleep around, even live with other dudes and then accept her coming back once she realizes it was a bad choice. I maaaaaay maybe, by the smallest chance possible accept it once, if agreed upon by both sides, because cheating translates to death to any relationship, but what if she wants to do it again? I don't want to be with a person who constantly compares and looks for something better than me. I want a partner that enables me to be better for her and everyone involved. He says that thinking that way is belittling to your partner, but isn't it her who is thinking about leaving you and possibly her family for an uncertain future with another man? She's allowed to try to replace me and everything I gave her at any point, because of her selfish reasons and I still have to work by myself for our relationship so she'll maybe come back after she's no longer happy with what she got from that other dude - makes no sense to me. To me it sounds at best like she's emotionally immature and looks for easy ways out for an easy life, but life's never easy.
So, how would you bring this into proactive discussions without hunting? What should I say? Or is how I say it?
Are long distance relationships hopeless? My 3 year partner and I have been doing long distance for over a year and half, and I can sense that my partner doesn't see a prolonged future. We both acknowledge that we are great together and still love each other so much. Chances are faint, but there is a way to get back together distance-wise in a year. I'm open to keep dating until this happens but my partner isn't sure. I clearly have stronger love in this relationship and it hurts. I guess my question is, do same rules apply in long distance situations? I'm afraid that giving space will make my partner leave even more. Thanks for the video btw!
You killed in this video...Awesome work !
Really regret for not seeing your video first u gve me confic thanks
dang....I've done all 3 hunting mistakes! you are very smart young man Geoffrey...
Love your videos. They help alot. I've tried downloading the free guide but it never seems to get into my email
I'm curious how often you see spouses remarry after already getting a divorce?
Hey Geoffrey... Another goldmine of a clip.
Thank you so much.
🙏🙏🙏🙏💯
Appreciate it, brother. What was the "goldmine" you found here?
@@GeoffreySetiawan so many things... Surrender concept...Decision making... Hunting mind-set... So many precious info. Thanks Geoffrey. You are helping me in so many ways 🙏🙏🙌
My girlfriend is extremely introverted and seldomly asked to hang or meet even during the honey moon stage. Should I just bite it and ask her to hang out? I’ve been giving her space for about a week but I don’t want to be impatient. But at the same time I don’t want her to be ready to hang and her just be scared to ask as well. We’ve been dating for about 7 months now
Maybe ask her what would she prefer? Does she deel better when you ask? :) It seems you are getting along well, correct?
@@hdshjs at the time it turns out she was ready and scared to ask. But also at the time we were not getting along well things were actually extremely bad. Buuuut things are much better now and have vastly improved to the point she’s started asking me to hang out on multiple occasions
I have literally done all three of these lol. Good thing you made me aware of them in the program!
I have done two types of hunting Active & Stotic hunting and it failed miserably. I came out to be very needy and I pushed her further away. Now, I surrender to the right process by getting untethered to results. Geoffrey - show me the way..
9 months later i still hunt and fail every 7 days
What is the 5 Step in Re-Attracting please?
My girlfriend just told me she wanted to put us on hold because she wants to take care of things that’s going on in her life like her kids and maybe what’s going on with her baby daddy also. So I’m afraid what if this hold we put on brings her back to him or she leaves. She did say this is something she wants as in us but there’s just a lot going on that she can’t give me her time also and be a good partner and deal with things going on in her life like being a parent. So what should I even do? I did nothing wrong but love her right and she said it’s going to be hard for her to bring me around at the moment and she just wants to take care of what’s in front of her and that’s her kids giving them time and life? What do I even do? Before we got off the phone after all this she did say she loves me and stuff?
I don't know if you figured this out, but like Geoffrey says you need to untether. You have to let go of the possibility she will leave and instead work on yourself to give her a reason to come back. Right now, you are holding her back and she needs to learn that what she left is better than what she left for. Does that make sense?
i sympathize with how you feel but you chose to date a woman with kids and unresolved feelings with the dad. You are basically the guy most of us on here are worried about. Think about that. Also..she fked up of she said she loves you. Go do things for yourself
Thanks for explaining and going in depth ,one of your best vids ever your a God sent bro.
Absolutely love this video. Incredible insight. The information seems innately familiar; however, I believe we fail to apply them. Very fast talker, but very effective communicator. Thank you!!!
"i NEED SOME SPACE TO FIND MYSELF" in my case was my wife saying "I am 100% moving out, and eventually leaving you with no warning, explanation, or trying to fix anything and I am trying to let you down gently." She ain't filed yet, but no telling why. I hate dismissive avoidant attachments. Cold. as. Ice. No contact, nothing. I continue to do the work on myself, for myself. Giving her all the space I can. She knows where to find me.
Yeah how are u doing now ....we have to quit pushing because it takes six months of consistent change for her to even process the new you
Just joined 🙂
My gf broke up with me (2 years of relationship) because of my career and not ambition enough. I currently have a business plan but it may take 2-3 years. She still loves me and even gave me kisses as we took our separate ways. If I was to be in successful spot, will I have a chance??
This is such good and amazing information. Thank you for sharing
She still keeps talking to me nicely but she still wants to have space.. what shall I do.. shall I break up ?
Geoffrey I need help
Hello @Geoffrey Setiawan. Im in desperate need of help. My wife has checked out of tue marriage and is currently seeing somebody else. I lack confidence due to my health condition, as i suffer from muscular dystrophy and my wife married me knowing of my health condition. I want to save my marriage because-she blessed me with 4 beautiful children. Please please help.
Marriage counselor told me to stop trying to be affectionate and saying I love you as she thought I was pushing her away, was doing good for a week or so today I was getting vibes of " I want out" I became kind of needy with physical affection and she told me tonight I was annoying her, now I am like fuck! I messed up hopefully it doesn't push her further away
Stoic I have done. Saying I will be better and promise her. And she responded with the broken promises I've done that were similar and couldn't keep
Hey Geoffrey
My girlfriend said she wanted space 3 weeks ago, since then we had almost no contact. She reached to me out (via text) couple days ago when it was my birthday but since then its totally quiet. I recently found out that she deleted all her insta pics and story where I am in. Idk what to do…
1 hunting was natural and 2 was suugestive by relationship coach ...
I hate to say it but my wife lost 160lbs in one year and looks great, but unfortunately for me she now gets that attention she never got from me and is out there sleeping around with different guys, so she kind of already has fallen into that animalistic trap. So with this knowledge it’s very hard for me to say go ahead and explore because I know she has been and will continue.
I am not a guy, however I think this can apply for any gender. I was reading the comments here and I really would like to date with that kind of people, I always date with avoidant partners
Geoffrey you are a legend , Thank you
How are you Geoffrey I know this may be a longshot, but I did the master class and I really need this program for my situation. I am not able to afford the rest of the program I’m not saying I do not have anything but is there anyway that you can possibly do something to help me out please
I've lost all credibility with my wife at this point. She has zero trust or faith in me and I have a month to get it right or it's over.
Is the Facebook group still available? I’m having a hard time pulling it up.
I have done the first hunting i think so, i fucked up so much because i felt like that would make it better but seeing your videos and other good youtubers i get it now.
done all the hunting approaches. But this helped me understand why, when I do hang out with her, she is super b*tchy and I just felt we were in the friend zone.
My partner is using a passive hunting, I tried using stonic hunting but I see her soul leaving me.
I'm at a point where I need space from him.. he's so manipulative.
How many years did it take for your wife to come back and what mistakes did you make.
How about he said he needs space moved out and to not contact him? What should I do
My wife said she wanted to separate a month ago and so far I've everyone except passive nearly every day
Hello
She asked me for space at first it's really hard for me to accept and I convinced her
After four days I give her space what should I do now?
Are you both back
Hello Geoff, thanks for this video and your videos, they’ve been super helpful. I can relate as I’ve made these mistakes when my wife asked to separate and she even told me they drive her far away from me. I have a question Geoff, are you saying that following all the steps and making the right changes over time will attract her back without you asking or directly wooing her despite how long you’ve been separated?
Yes - But you MUST make sure that your changes are indeed, deep, irreplaceable, and the right ones. As they say, you can ignore reality, but you cannot ignore the consequences of ignoring reality.
And when you do make these right changes, a massive part of these changes will automatically be expressed in the correct ways.
Feel free to view the client stories I included in the description of my video to see my clients' experiences with this.
@@GeoffreySetiawan Thanks Geoff.
How do you know she’s given in
Jeffrey thanks for the content i really need this help but i would love to get more help. Im in a good space because we still are seeing one another and spending time. My emotional outburst has caused her to fear me and want to stay away, Im aware that for her my emotional outburst has caused her to fear and she has never been with anyone that has depression.
Im doing better and need to learn more on the what to do's
Excellent video Geoffrey. Thank you!
Thank you, brother! Which parts of the video did you find most enlightening? What were your key takeaways?
@@GeoffreySetiawan empowering your partner to explore alternatives.
I wrote down what I want for myself whether her and I are together or not to take care of me. But my god this hurts like I really miss her can anyone freaking reply this just hurts is this normal
I'm going through this right now. It's cutting off a finger to hopefully save the arm. That's how I'm approaching it. She's my best friend and I have made her not want me in her life 😢 that kills me inside that I've been slowly creating this without being aware even though she warned me for a year, I didn't hear it or believe it 💔 I broke her heart
I am an active stoic hunter 😅
I'm going through a break up, but not completely. She needs space and I just couldn't fall asleep these days.
Don't worry bro she will be come back to you be patient. ❤ watch this Geoffrey's videos it's also comforts me. ❤ Don't do anything wrong. Because now she is in a bad situation she hasn't enough feelings about you she is thinking about her. But new she is temporary available but old girl will come back soon make the whole environment forever for her stay happy give her space and don't worry don't think wrong things no doubt about her i am in the same situation ❤😊
@@boykagaming1484 Thank you so much for your nice suggestions, bro!💪 I took a screenshot of your kind words!
Great video Geoff!
Thank you, brother! Which parts of the video did you find most enlightening? What were your key takeaways?
Ive done all 3 of these and i want to do the work to bring this relationahip to a beautiful new level
I wish my husband had the same mindset as you 😢 Whoever your loved one is, she's a lucky woman. The happiest relationships need both partners to think this way. Good luck to you.
I may have done all 3
Nailed it! Well done
I'm sorry doesn't this all im hearing is the relationship our one person fault let's say the sake of this I get her back what about my happiness
Question is...are u happy to be back with her? If you are not happy,then it's not her responsibility for your happiness. Just like it's not your responsibility for her happiness. Happiness is a choice made by yourself
@spittaz1 I get that part but the language he uses is she wants to be happy like saying if only you would change than she would be happy when that is simply not true
@@graywa1017 well if she is a decent enough woman,then I would say do what you need to do to get her back. But if she is a headache from hell,then just move on. You know if you are too much of a pain to deal with. And also you know if she is too much of a pain to deal with. It's nearly impossible to find a good woman nowadays
All of them xD
A lot of my clients begin making many of those mistakes as well. No shame in that.
Now that we know better - the next question is, what are we going to do about it!
Hope you learned clearer next steps from this video.
Me personally, I'm going to make an effort to start working long term on consistency (removing bad proofs) and allowing her the space and even having the courage to invite her to pursue other opportunities even if it feels scary that's the honourable caring thing to do
@@mcforjah Good, remember though, you need all 4 ingredients, and you need to be able to create all 4 better than anyone can (irreplaceable).
Giving your partner the freedom isn't just going to magically make her come back to you.
You need to back it up by being irreplaceable.
And you cannot be in denial or make-up your own subjective definition of what being "irreplaceable" means either!
@@GeoffreySetiawan good reminder man.
I apreciate how your approach is so holistic. I identify with that in my study of psychology. It's not all about the talking, is about the thinking, the nutrition, the mindset, the relationships, exercise etc.
You're right, I'm going to use this time to make difficult but long lasting choices in personal development. It will be hard and lonely, but mm ore and more I agree it's all about the long term, not the hunting I'm used to ;) thanks really for your job I hope it's geof reading but thanks to the team nonetheless
Great video. I chased too hard in a love triangle after she moved on when I wouldn’t commit. She loves the rebound more even after they broke up. Now I’m blocked everywhere. How do I implement anything other than passive hunting at this point? I even wrote a letter 3 weeks ago but it appealed to logic.
I been there man, not in a triangle, but still. Stop hunting altogether. Focus on you for yourself, and make the next girl a better partner. The next might be the Ex, might not. Be open to new love at all times. The EX may swing around later, but don't waste a minute waiting. Life is too short. Trust the universe always has your best interests at heart, and it is setting you up for something better.
@@Psychonaut_ thanks for the nice comment. Did your Ex swing around?
I would encourage you to shift the nature of the types of questions you ask - you're still too focused on surface-level logical appeals and tactics.
Watch my clients stories with Eve, Michael, or Bronson. See how they were in your exact scenario, and take a look at what it really takes to really re-attract.
@@GeoffreySetiawan I watched both episodes with Michael and Bronson. I see the focus on the process, becoming untethered, and really making internal changes versus strategizing or tactics. However, she lives in Europe and I am in the States. Im blocked on everything and she loves another man more than me at the moment and thinks I actively tried to sabotage her chances with the other guy which is completely BS. Its quite a hole and to hear her crying about how much she loves another man and accusing me of ruining her chances with him and her blocking me for it is hard to swallow. Beyond her magically being attracted again to me, how can she see my changes? Do I write to her and say "I would have blocked me too?" I would have for some reasons but not the reason she states she did.
@@HeroPerformance Again - would encourage you to shift the nature of the types of questions you ask.
You're putting the cart before the horse and you are still focusing too much on the tactics.
Master the principles first, and the path will reveal itself to you. Keep focusing on tactics first, and you will forever be confused.
People who have mastered something will always find a way to improvise and create opportunities. Amateurs will always ask "why" and "how" necessarily.
This was one of the big takeaways I hoped you actually took away. (e.g. How when my clients were lost in the beginning, but later realized just how they were drowning in opportunities).
But mastery needs to come first,
Is empowering your partner to explore alternatives for reasons of 1. You understand her needs and her situation and 2. It appeals to her sense of agency?
Nadeem - Both, but the large priority falls to #1.
To learn more about this perspective, I would check out the playlist in the description of the video with some of my client discussing how doing this majorly strengthened their marriage for good. (I did the sam with Samantha, and we never regretted it).
if youre married im sure you dont want to tell your spouse to go explore
Like I said in this video - only weak men are afraid to allow their partners the freedom to explore.
No that would be adultery. I don’t think not wanting adultery to happen makes a man weak.
@@bnewman1140 I think you missed the whole point of this video, and my response, but okay, if you say so, must be true :) Good luck with that!
I understand. So it ain’t controlling. It lets her know it’s ok. Doesn’t mean she’s gonna sleep around. But it’s possible. I disagree with the if she does then you have your blessing on the adultery. It’s not being weak. Wouldn’t you think it would be having standards?
@@bnewman1140 Nothing is ever that black or white. If you really want to find some other alternative viewpoints on this, watch my interview with Lawrence & Elsha.
When my wife said she wanted space i started to panic. I was constantly asking questions like why do you do this? Why so you want this? Telling her that we have good. Please don’t do this… i even started to begging her to stay with me. Trying to convince her to stay.. this al started with easter this year. And now this week she told me she wants to divorce
Give her the space. She will miss your presence
@@justbeastfitness are you sure? Because she’s really not interested in me anymore. She’s very cold. And let me feel unworthy
I can assure you that she is acting important because she feels that she is better than you. She will see your importance after some long no contact
I am speaking out of experience...mine even moved in with another man...before she came back missing me...
@@justbeastfitness i just found out she have some one else
Good video. I have just become untethered and it changed the entire dynamic. But even on my end as I focus on working on me mentally, emotionally, physically, learning what went wrong with us, etc
@GeoffreySetiawan do you have an email to ask questions?