What Happened To Zso Sahaal? - 40K Theories

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  • What could have happened to the First Captain of the Night Lords Legion after his acquisition of his Primarch’s crown and encounter with Krieg Acerbus?
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  • @WanderingVictorious
    @WanderingVictorious 6 ปีที่แล้ว +212

    Sons of our father, stand in midnight clad.
    Thank you so much for bringing back the night, Inquisitor!

    • @mrsplitfoot23
      @mrsplitfoot23 6 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Saige Pilgrim Good Hunting.

    • @ELITESrBAMOFOS945
      @ELITESrBAMOFOS945 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      SLAVES OF THE CORPSE EMPEROR- WE HAVE COME FOR YOU!

    • @natecondy6193
      @natecondy6193 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@ELITESrBAMOFOS945 (activates the black sword of the emperor’s champion) COME AT ME THEN

  • @sanguiniusonvacation1803
    @sanguiniusonvacation1803 6 ปีที่แล้ว +206

    " and if you look to your left you'll see one of Konrad's sharp boys . We advise you keep your hands inside the Tram for this part of our tour ."

    • @firstcaptainarenoskarlaen7103
      @firstcaptainarenoskarlaen7103 6 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Lord Sanguinius when will you be returning from your vacation?

    • @weldonwin
      @weldonwin 6 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      I thought the Night Lords were Konrad's Sparky Boys, what with all the lightning

    • @sanguiniusonvacation1803
      @sanguiniusonvacation1803 6 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      weldonwin they also skin people

    • @sanguiniusonvacation1803
      @sanguiniusonvacation1803 6 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Captain Arenos Karlaen " whenever the writers decide my life should return to the material space ."

  • @SultanFilm
    @SultanFilm 6 ปีที่แล้ว +125

    Or in the words of Aaron Dembski-Bowden said once on the warseer forum's years ago. The writer who created Sahaal in the book left Black Library on bad terms and really didn't say if people could use Sahaal. So ABD created Sevatar since he couldn't get permission and didn't want to go behind another writer's back

    • @Nyctophora
      @Nyctophora 6 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Interesting to know! Thank you for sharing.

    • @headlibrarian1996
      @headlibrarian1996 6 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      I don't see why permission would be required. Black Library should own Sahaal since the book was either a work for hire, which automatically grants copyright to BL, or was a work by an independent contractor and their contract would have said BL owns the copyright. All assuming that BL aren't total morons whose contracts don't say they own the copyright.

    • @SultanFilm
      @SultanFilm 6 ปีที่แล้ว +26

      @@headlibrarian1996 It's more of giving proper respect to another author. ABD could of had used Sahaal. It isn't really a legal issue. Part of it not being able to ask how a character work and make sure it was a faithful representation.

    • @IainCiplinski
      @IainCiplinski 6 ปีที่แล้ว +21

      I love that ADB gave the author the respect he did, but I'm happier still that through that action, we got Sevetar, the pinnacle of Astartes in the 30th millenium, had he been in any loyal legion, the Heresy would have died before it reached Terra.

    • @Hrogoff
      @Hrogoff 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      If I remember correctly ADB tried to contact the author for the character and how to use him. He never got a response and Sahaal was reduced to a brief reference in the book when Talos went after M'shen

  • @KageMinowara
    @KageMinowara 6 ปีที่แล้ว +35

    Lords of the Night was the first Warhammer novel I ever read. Zso Sahaal is my favourite Chaos aligned/renegade character. Thanks for doing a video on him.

    • @talosvalcoran7001
      @talosvalcoran7001 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      KageMinowara you should read the 3 books about Talos
      He became my favourite after reading them

    • @benwallis438
      @benwallis438 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      First book too. Around 15 years ago at least that book came out.

    • @Alpharius4
      @Alpharius4 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      It was my second Warhammer book, but my favorite Warhammer book. It even places about 4th or 5th in the total amount of books I've read. Which, not to brag, I have read a LOT of books

    • @firefalcon9368
      @firefalcon9368 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      it was a great book. Loved reading about a Night Lord because that is the chaos marine chapter i play in 40K tabletop

  • @bloodwolfkoji
    @bloodwolfkoji 6 ปีที่แล้ว +109

    Its possible that if Zso Sahaal becomes fused with the soul of Konrad Curze and he's reunified the Night Lords, he'll seek out the services of Fabius Bile to work on genetically enhancing his body so that his strength and abilities are an equivalent to that of a Primarch. I mean after all if your becoming the new Night Haunter you gotta look the part right?

    • @alanmorales5784
      @alanmorales5784 6 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      bloodwolfkoji I strongly agree with this theory.

    • @FerreusVir
      @FerreusVir 6 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Curze wanted to die, theres absolutely no reason he'd want to come back or be 'fused' with someone else's soul.

    • @crypto1223
      @crypto1223 6 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      FerreusVir It’s just a theory as stated in the video. Curze’s crown may have had a soul stone in it when he died, and his soul may have fused with it.
      Also Curze’s point was already proven, so coming back to start a new reign of terror wouldn’t be out of character for the Night Haunter. The guy might even enjoy the prospect of adding further salt to his father’s wounded Imperium.

    • @jamesshields4346
      @jamesshields4346 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@FerreusVir wasn’t curze just obsessed with his visions coming true and when he had one of his death at the hand of an assassin he didn’t even try to stop them? I don’t think Conrad’s soul would want to die.

    • @Prophetofthe8thLegion
      @Prophetofthe8thLegion 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      A interesting theory but sadly too late as it is very clear in the third book of the night lords trilogy that Decimus is uniting the legion as we speak

  • @JPLOWMAN2
    @JPLOWMAN2 6 ปีที่แล้ว +72

    If this guy is really as smart as all that, I don’t think he’d directly deal with his daemon prince rival himself, but would get someone else to do it for him. Say he gathered a small group of followers and disguised them to look like his rival’s warband, then they go off and attack the Imperium or something to get them attacking this other guy. Then while the Imperium are dealing with the daemon prince’s army Zahaal could stab him in the back or something and take command of the rival’s remaining forces before ordering a retreat. He takes out his rival, grows his own warband and gives the Imperium a bloody nose in the process. That seems like an efficient way to settle an old grudge and still make a figurative profit off of it.

    • @poodlescone9700
      @poodlescone9700 6 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Or just trade for a tesseract labyrinth from some klepto magpies. That is what the Grey Knights use for the nasty daemons.

    • @sajadhoxhaj6603
      @sajadhoxhaj6603 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      But still what makes you think that the demon's warband does not compromise of astartes who hate zahaal and would rather die than serve him

    • @JPLOWMAN2
      @JPLOWMAN2 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Common sense - any marine who could take down a demon prince, no matter what circumstances he used to do it, definitely seems like someone you don’t want to have to fight against

    • @bobmilaplace3816
      @bobmilaplace3816 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I'm guessing Zho would become a Blackshield and go deep agent. Like what Light Yagami did.

    • @crypto1223
      @crypto1223 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Bob MiLaplace Was that a joke? Because last I checked, that’s the main character of Death Note, not 40k.

  • @internetzenmaster8952
    @internetzenmaster8952 6 ปีที่แล้ว +222

    "Little more than psychopaths"
    You mean *more* psychotic than the Night Lords were 10,000 years ago?

    • @robertnelson9599
      @robertnelson9599 6 ปีที่แล้ว +37

      Before they were sadistic murderers, now they are madmen who can't admit they are loyal to the Chaos Gods.

    • @poodlescone9700
      @poodlescone9700 6 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      Just a little more psychotic...

    • @commie4164
      @commie4164 6 ปีที่แล้ว +50

      the 30k night lord's brutality was done deliberately in pursuit of a greater goal, the betterment of mankind. as opposed to their current actions which are largely done simply for personal amusement.

    • @WiseguyThreeOne
      @WiseguyThreeOne 6 ปีที่แล้ว +29

      @@commie4164 Without Curze to philosophically guide them, now they just do it for the lulz.

    • @commie4164
      @commie4164 6 ปีที่แล้ว +20

      even curze was just doing it for the lulz in the end. he built up this idea in his head that what he was doing was necessary, that it was the only way to achieve the ideal of the imperium. but then the other primarchs and the emperor began getting the same results, but without his methods. and like the rest of the primarchs and the emperor he was too much of a salty bitch to just admit that he was wrong.

  • @zenoblues7787
    @zenoblues7787 6 ปีที่แล้ว +45

    Sounds like GW plans to use Zso Sahaal as a way to reunify the Nightlords. I consider this to be the most likely outcome since GW has already done this with The Thousand Sons and Death Guard.

    • @crypto1223
      @crypto1223 6 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Zeno Blues But what about Talos’ “son” the true prophet of the Night Lords? Last that was heard of him; he was gathering a warband to destroy an Eldar Craftworld responsible for so many failed Balck Crusades in one way or another.

    • @elsieoliver1671
      @elsieoliver1671 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I hope not. Us of the 8th legion don't get along well

    • @dimwitsixtytwelve
      @dimwitsixtytwelve 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @Indigo Rodent I don't think he was insane, but he was very obviously delusional. even when presented with the proof at the end of the book when he sees his corrupt brothers. ultimately I felt that this was symbolic of the legion and Curze as a whole. there's that tiny glimmer of focus and hope of what could have been.

  • @jackoconnor5085
    @jackoconnor5085 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    I can totally see a night lords game where you play Zso Sahaal possessed by Konrad and all this plays out like how celebrimbor helps the ranger in Shadow of war, except you drop onto planets and use planning and infiltration to take on warbands, either the imperium or other night lords/choas. Unlock night lord skills as you progress

    • @smokejaguar986
      @smokejaguar986 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Pre ordered day one

    • @jackoconnor5085
      @jackoconnor5085 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@smokejaguar986 I know it's an idea many people have had before but I don't see why with 40k they can't give us a lore update and a game in one, get black library to collab with monolith or rocksteady

  • @DarthCuddlefluff
    @DarthCuddlefluff 6 ปีที่แล้ว +79

    I think that the primarch of the Night Lords died a regretful loyalist.

    • @Allaryc
      @Allaryc 6 ปีที่แล้ว +34

      A regretful traitor. He hated the emperor even more than he hated himself

    • @markrtoffeeman
      @markrtoffeeman 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I agree.

    • @happytravelling
      @happytravelling 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I don't think so... His throne room was carpeted in living flesh, crafted by dark powers. He was psychotic, but a regretful loyalist - I don't think so...

  • @fredchristensen9113
    @fredchristensen9113 6 ปีที่แล้ว +30

    And when he reaches the throne room, he shall have an epic duel with Cypher at the steps of the Golden Throne.

    • @poodlescone9700
      @poodlescone9700 6 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      Cypher now has a Custodes shield host in tow along with the usual Dark Angels hunting him. That fight will just be a 4 way clusterf...

    • @lioneljonson8556
      @lioneljonson8556 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @meaturama Everyone

    • @roguepsykerhaaker4813
      @roguepsykerhaaker4813 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Guilliman walks in and sees a four way murder fest right in front of his dad.
      Sips coffee
      And leaves because he's too tired for this shit right now

  • @Darksmirk1
    @Darksmirk1 6 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I can listen and learn about The Night Lords & Curz all day. One of the most interesting Peimarchs and Chapters.
    “ I am a son of the sunless world, and Eighth Legion to my core. “

  • @williamamely7038
    @williamamely7038 6 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    If Night Haunter's soul is indeed in the crown, would Curze truly wish harm upon his father, as he would be freed of his split personality which so dominated his actions throughout the Crusades and the Horus Heresy. Would it be possible for a resurrected Curze actually wish for the Emperor's forgiveness. He could then attempt to rebuild his legion, if such an action would be allowed. Thanks for sharing this video with us. Your channel is greatly appreciated.

  • @johnballsmith3052
    @johnballsmith3052 6 ปีที่แล้ว +20

    I just got done reading this book a few days ago and enjoyed every minute of it. Good work on this video good sir!

  • @ultramarinescaptain3840
    @ultramarinescaptain3840 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I'm gonna say this outright, Zso Sahaal is by far my favorite Night Lord, hes awesome.

  • @urbanesoul8400
    @urbanesoul8400 6 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Lord of the Night got a lot of hate from losers who came along after the Horus Heresy books were out, but it's always had a special place in my heart as one of the first (& only) to truly explore the heresy astartes & their traitor primarchs.

  • @NetMoverSitan
    @NetMoverSitan 6 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    So he's basically 40K Red Hood? (seeing as his primarch is fiction's most horrific version of Batman)

  • @mercenarygundam1487
    @mercenarygundam1487 6 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    What could have happened? Well....TO THE NIGHT LORD MOBILE!
    *Batman Transition*

  • @kirbytucker2549
    @kirbytucker2549 6 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Are the 68th Deltic Lions blessed by Isha? It could explain the regiments strong resistance to Nurgles Plagues, and if so why?

  • @declangallagher1448
    @declangallagher1448 6 ปีที่แล้ว +45

    Have you done a video on the lifespan of an Astartes? If not could be a cool topic

    • @doomguy9049
      @doomguy9049 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I agree

    • @weldonwin
      @weldonwin 6 ปีที่แล้ว +16

      We know that Space Marines can live at least a thousand years in the case of Blood Angels like Commander Dante, but I think its been implied that while space marines do age, no one really knows how long they can live for, since no Astartes has ever lived long enough to die of old age.

    • @juliankirby9880
      @juliankirby9880 6 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      If they activate the sleepy gland, they can nap for 10k years. A grey night did it in one of the books

    • @juliankirby9880
      @juliankirby9880 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      weldonwin Dante is like 1300 during the devastation of Baal story. He also, is written as feeling like 60 year + person as we would consider it. He feels old

    • @weldonwin
      @weldonwin 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      So did a Dark Angel from the Horus Heresy in the novel Eye of Terror

  • @WiseguyThreeOne
    @WiseguyThreeOne 6 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    Of course at this point we have zero canonical knowledge of Sevatar's actual death. The last time we see him is back in a cell on The Invincible Reason after the events of ADB's "The Long Night."
    He was believed dead by the Eighth during the Scouring, but did he somehow rejoin the Night Lords and die in battle on Terra?
    Nobody knows yet.

    • @ebbios
      @ebbios 6 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      hmmm....but ive read the novel 'Emperor's gift' by ADB. Theres a scene where the main character, the grey knight Hyperion visited the tombs of fallen grey knight and there he visited the tomb of Grand Master Khyron, the first grand master of the 8th brotherhood. It is inscribed at the plinth and statue of the grand master that implies he is once a traitor (I cant remember the exact words) and that the statue was fashioned as if the grandmaster is leaning casually on his spear.
      so we know that Jago Sevatar is :-
      1. Last seen alive on his last appearances.
      2. He is a psyker. Both he himself and curze is aware of this.
      3.Really hates daemons and the possessed marines and everything warpy...
      4. He uses a spear as a weapon.
      I think sometimes during the heresy he becomes one of the grey knights, takes a new name and later becomes grand master khyron. But its just my speculation though

    • @WiseguyThreeOne
      @WiseguyThreeOne 6 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@ebbios ADB gets really upset if you mention it too. Either he is mad his Easter Egg was so transparent, or he was serious when he says he really doesn't like Sevatar despite having invented him.
      So Sevatar either A., went from a detention cell aboard the Reason to Titan in Imperial authority and died as a Grey Knight.
      B. Escaped the Reason and fought and possibly died with the Eighth on Terra.
      Or C. Before he died, Alan Bligh allegedly said Sevatar and some Loyalist Night Lords ended up in the XIX-based genetic stew that is the Carcharodons.
      Since the Invincible Reason doesn't make it back to Terra until after the battle, I don't see B happening. C is too pat, though I believe it obvious after "Outer Dark" that there is XII and VIII blood in the Carcharodon mix.
      Scooping up Sevatar sounds like something Malcador would do, which means it has to be before Malcador's death on the Throne at the climax of the Battle.
      But only ADB can answer that question and he gets grumpy if you bring it up.

    • @TyyTheFlyGuy
      @TyyTheFlyGuy 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@ebbios The new video talks about this now.

    • @ebbios
      @ebbios 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@TyyTheFlyGuy yeah... I have watched it. Thanks

  • @gagaplex
    @gagaplex 6 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    The Night Lords were a dysfunctional mess long before the Horus Heresy. How they haven't gone extinct yet is beyond me.

  • @RichardTuckman
    @RichardTuckman 6 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Huron and his Red Corsairs have the capability to graft a replacement arm. Not for free though.

  • @Audiotrocious
    @Audiotrocious 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Maybe he is hanging out with Decimus, the new Prophet of First Claw, or Decimus finds him

  • @theganjacologist2819
    @theganjacologist2819 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Ave Dominus Nox!! Thank you so much Inquisitor for this video! In my humble opinion I do not believe Sevetar is dead. I vaguely recall the possibility of him disappearing and going on to possibly found or have some influence on the Carcharodon chapter. I can't say for certain, but much like his successor he realized what the Night lords were becoming and didn't fit Konrads vision. The night lord book series was amazing and you sir have revitalized my interest in it!! Keep up the great work! Death to the false emperor!!!!!

  • @kingbaldwiniv5409
    @kingbaldwiniv5409 6 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    GW loves loose ends, he seems like a string in need of a story.

  • @81hewp
    @81hewp 6 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    Ave Dominus Nox

  • @thentts
    @thentts 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    12:11-12:19 Also known as "But HEY! It's just a Theory! A 40K Theory!"

  • @Nyctophora
    @Nyctophora 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I never thought I'd see this, made my week :)

  • @hope121107
    @hope121107 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Fantastic film. Very well put together. Bravo.

  • @brandonaughtman9091
    @brandonaughtman9091 6 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    I honestly think that the soul of The Night Haunter could still be in that Crown. My real question is WHY would those Eldar want his soul? Is it even possible...for the Crown of The Night Haunter to act as a Soulstone? Maybe those Eldar wanted to use it to construct a...Wraithlord of The Night?

    • @zenoblues7787
      @zenoblues7787 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I suspect it's similar in reasoning to when the Eldar tried to kill Angron. They could see the horrible actions he would commit in the future and try to prevent them by any means necessary.

    • @brandonaughtman9091
      @brandonaughtman9091 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      But if he was already dead then what was the problem? IF they had the opportunity to turn a dangerous enemy into a weapon they could use against Chaos, which The Night Haunter himself HATED, they should take it. The crown already was a Soulstone.

    • @uncabob214
      @uncabob214 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      They want it because it's (pprobably )a soulstone. Because that shit belongs to the eldar and they are possessive like that.

    • @zenoblues7787
      @zenoblues7787 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      The Eldar would have to pretty stupid to resort to putting the soul of a psychotic *mass* *murderer* inside a giant weapons platform.

    • @brandonaughtman9091
      @brandonaughtman9091 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Said giant weapon could also have a remote detonated explosive on its body. That way the Eldar could destroy him if he tried to kill him and I bet the crown can't survive an explosion that could take down a Wraithlord. Once it was destroyed then The Night Haunter's soul would go to the Warp, where the Chaos Gods would fight over him.

  • @NemFX
    @NemFX 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Hold on.
    A SWORD?
    This needs to be fleshed out. Aside from his fists, the only weapons that Konrad uses are his master crafted power claws Mercy and Forgiveness, and a pile of grenades when he attacked Macragge. I'm pretty sure he's never even fired a gun in the lore.

    • @Aceshot-uu7yx
      @Aceshot-uu7yx 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Who is to say his claws don't have some kind of ammo to shoot out.

  • @ThexVaultxTech
    @ThexVaultxTech 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    GW forgot about him like they forgot about every other character who wasn't an Ultramarine

  • @ELITESrBAMOFOS945
    @ELITESrBAMOFOS945 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Hunt well sons of the VIIIth Legion, and die as you lived- In Midnight Clad! AVE DOMINUS NOX!

  • @CharlesUrban
    @CharlesUrban 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    If Sahaal thinks he can get anywhere near Terra without the Custodians catching wind of it, he's crazier than his Primarch. On the other hand, and speaking of that Primarch, Curze's presence in the Corona Nox might be just the contrived plot device we need to get the Night Haunter into 40K. Some crazy ceremony to turn Sahaal into Curze via the Corona? Boom, instant model sales!

  • @cathode6252
    @cathode6252 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Lord of the Night was the first WH40K book that I owned and read. You can imagine how confused I was.

  • @barnaby7390
    @barnaby7390 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    I wish Simon Spurrier would write more 40k stories. I asked him at a signing once but unfortunately he doesn't have any plans; mostly just concentrating on his comics. Shame really as Fire Warrior and Lord of The Night are two of my favourite 40k books.

  • @grimnar1976
    @grimnar1976 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I think we need to acknowledge the fact that a kid fooled this guy and pulled a switch blade on him. I mean the balls that kid has or had I guess must have been pretty heavy.

    • @grimnar1976
      @grimnar1976 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Currently reading Lord of the Night

  • @robkemp598
    @robkemp598 6 ปีที่แล้ว +36

    Why does everyone in 40K have to have a hard to pronounce name? Just once I want a navigatior named Dave

    • @40KTheories
      @40KTheories  6 ปีที่แล้ว +20

      Well the novel 'Farseer' does have a navigator named Simon

    • @Nessinby
      @Nessinby 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      (video related) th-cam.com/video/DEfrYsX96l8/w-d-xo.html

    • @robkemp598
      @robkemp598 6 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @@40KTheories ahhh OK then, I was thinking of doing a Robocop in Necromunda fanfic with a navigatior named dave & all the other characters have trouble pronouncing his name lol

    • @angrysocialjusticewarrior
      @angrysocialjusticewarrior 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      They are all easy to pronounce if you pronounce it "40k" style.
      e.g "Raw-Butt Girly-Man", "Emporah", "Ass-sucker Rears", "Farseer Tall-Deer", etc

    • @zsolt2784
      @zsolt2784 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      I wonder where the name zso comes from....

  • @Cbabilon675
    @Cbabilon675 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    I don't know about you my friend but I sure do miss that game Warhammer chaos gate. It was my first introduction to the Space Marines. I would sure love to see it make a comeback. Could you just imagine, the graphics with our day technology?

  • @kingbaldwiniv5409
    @kingbaldwiniv5409 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Sevatar will never die.
    Besides, the 8th legion hates itself as well as everyone else.

  • @trousersnakes8855
    @trousersnakes8855 ปีที่แล้ว

    No Nightlord would ever follow Zso Sahaal. After the assassin M'Shen was killed by Talos, Zso Sahaal secured the crown but fled the fight. He abandoned the Atramentar at the hands of the enemy. It wasn't because he was Terran born. To prove that, Malek of the Atramentar (one of the most respected members of the Atramentar) was Terran born and not of Nostramo. It was because he couldn't live up to the reputation of Sevatar AND he abandoned the Legion for the crown and was considered a coward for abandoning the Legion for his own desires. Source: Nightlord omnibus. When Talos and Mercutian were talking with their navigator, Octavia about the first captain.

  • @Belllcross
    @Belllcross 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Since they messed up Magnus' chance of possibly redeeming himself recently they can at least give us konrad soul redeeming itself to the imperium.

  • @l.greenwood8096
    @l.greenwood8096 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Wait, didn't Zho Sahaal go to Abaddon with the Corona Nox in hand to lay claim to command of his Legion? Could have sworn that was mentioned in one of the novels. Abaddon laughed at him as he was one of several to do so with a artifact in hand.

    • @40KTheories
      @40KTheories  6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Not from what I could find.
      If you can find a source/passage etc then please feel free to share it.

    • @lawrencegreenwood2646
      @lawrencegreenwood2646 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Is in the Soul Hunter novel when Abaddon is talking to Talos. Its also shown at the bottom of his page on Lexicanum.

    • @40KTheories
      @40KTheories  6 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      What the quote in Soul Hunter actually refers to is the following said by Talos, *NOT* Abaddon:
      “Many claim to be the Night Haunter’s heir. The Talonmaster (Zso Sahaal) has vanished, but his claim was no stronger than any other, even with his possession of one of our symbolic relics. Too many other leaders have similar items once carried by our father. Captain Acerbus leads the largest coalition of companies, but again, his insistence reeks of desperation and need. No true claimant has come forth, as you did with your Legion. Our father’s throne sits empty.”
      It is never stated in Soul Hunter that Sahaal went to Abaddon.

    • @l.greenwood8096
      @l.greenwood8096 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@40KTheories It has been some time since I read the novel so I must have misremembered it then.

  • @Tonius126
    @Tonius126 6 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Can someone tell me what those two round things that are always attached to Space Marines backpack?

    • @CaspertheSarcasticGhost
      @CaspertheSarcasticGhost 6 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Exhaust ports

    • @gax1337
      @gax1337 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      there is some debate on this but the two most likely answers are exhaust ports or stabalizing thrusters for low/zero gravity locations(defenetly not powerfull enough to act as jetpacks)

  • @barrybend7189
    @barrybend7189 6 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Kitten will defeat him with a single shot. With the screaming warpbolter.

  • @gwyndolin1536
    @gwyndolin1536 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I hope the Night Haunter may be reborn one day....

  • @xazelnighthaunterfanboy975
    @xazelnighthaunterfanboy975 6 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    HE IS COMING FOR YOU ALL!!!! Sahaal 41020!! Make Night Lords Great Again!!

  • @willrogers3793
    @willrogers3793 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I *STILL* say he needs to get off his ass and put on the Corona Nox, preferably while the Gargoyles theme song plays.

  • @jackiesantos2121
    @jackiesantos2121 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Interesting characters in for a 40K no I knows what happened to them anyway nice Theory I like to learn more about

  • @jrobbo
    @jrobbo 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Could this be the rebirth of Conrad through possessing Sahaal and then we get a new demon prince Conrad miniature?

  • @Matt-md5yt
    @Matt-md5yt 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    one of his brothers is rumored to be the sire of the "Carcharodons" any ways glad to know of this guy

  • @dedrickhowell805
    @dedrickhowell805 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    It wasn't an execution it was a suicide. No mere human could possibly kill a primarch otherwise.

  • @WiseguyThreeOne
    @WiseguyThreeOne 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Now how does Krieg Acerbus' force stack up against the gathering of the Eighth Legion at which Decimus revealed himself as the Prophet of the Legion?

  • @alanmorales5784
    @alanmorales5784 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Zso Sahaal would seek Fabius Bile to repair his arm, however seeing Fabius tinkering with new Primaris gene seed, he would probably want to be augmented to with Primaris genes , acknowledging the advantages and benefits he and those that would follow him would gain, they would gain confidence in Zso Sahaal as the chosen by Conrad Curze , and exact vengeance on the daemon prince, and unite all other Nightlords to rally under his rule, and as new Primaris Nightlords develop a plan to destroy the false Emperor.

  • @paszable
    @paszable 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    ...what he revered once and the new senses

  • @warex4501
    @warex4501 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    If Curz is taking over Sahaal i think he would do so subtly. That is if Curze is capable of something like that. Slowly and carefully manipulating him. Perhaps making Sahaal think that the actions he is taking is his own ideas, his own choices. Then again wouldn't Curz just tell Sahaal to go to Bily and get him out of the Cronus Nox.

  • @ghostshadow2332
    @ghostshadow2332 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    What is your thoughts on the meaning of Soul Hunter

  • @JCG56
    @JCG56 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Which book did you get this info from?

  • @Alaric11
    @Alaric11 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    All Night Lords hate all other Night Lords. lol. I am of the belief that Zso was groomed to be Konrad's new body though. Zso has fanatical devotion to his Legion Father and would happily lay down his life in service to the Night Haunter. So there is no way Kreig has killed him. Not if the Night Haunter's mind and soul have taken him over.

  • @kiesarisunny13
    @kiesarisunny13 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    2:53 yes

  • @dominicvucic8654
    @dominicvucic8654 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    I wanted to say he discovered the charcharodans and returned to the imperium but then you told us he wants to attack terra

  • @theannihilator1173
    @theannihilator1173 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    What is the music used in the intro?

  • @leonvalenzuela4096
    @leonvalenzuela4096 6 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    in before the memes
    wait.....

  • @CyrodiilCome
    @CyrodiilCome 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Could you do a theory on Decimus?

  • @chenli9778
    @chenli9778 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    I wander the 《Speak device》 gonna do an episode with this scenario or not……

  • @paullaville3745
    @paullaville3745 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    It's a great book. Where's the sequel!?!?

  • @crypto1223
    @crypto1223 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Question: Where the frick can I find Lord of the Night?! I want to read that novel soooo bad.

    • @40KTheories
      @40KTheories  6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      You can purchase the Ebook version from Black Library's website

  • @gagaplex
    @gagaplex 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    "Krieg Acerbus". A bit like "Bitter War". Interesting.

  • @jonathanscott8994
    @jonathanscott8994 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    What novel is this from?

  • @JulesFaraday22
    @JulesFaraday22 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I don't understand why the Aeldari would want some symbolical crown belonging to an insane, sadistic Primarch? It's not like the crown was powerful psychic artifact or anything.

    • @YorkshirePirate
      @YorkshirePirate 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      The gem in the crown is a soul stone possibly containing Kurze's soul itself.

  • @robertnelson9599
    @robertnelson9599 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Can you do a video on the Ashen Claws and/or Death Eagles.

    • @40KTheories
      @40KTheories  6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I've already done one on the Death Eagles :)

  • @MrBardTard
    @MrBardTard 6 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    PRAISE THE EMPEROR!

  • @joshkrk93
    @joshkrk93 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Why did the eldar want the crown if it’s not a soul stone???

  • @masterspookums6506
    @masterspookums6506 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Do Shang next Konrad close Confidant and aid next please!?

  • @alanmorales5784
    @alanmorales5784 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    QUESTION???! Can anyone tell me , why did the Eldar want the Corona Nox sooo bad that they risk so much to get it?

    • @40KTheories
      @40KTheories  6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Check the 'Rebirth of Night Haunter' video I did, I make a few speculations there ;)

  • @jackdaalfbrainork6392
    @jackdaalfbrainork6392 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Anyone have an idea to what happened to the space shark video?

    • @40KTheories
      @40KTheories  5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Remastered version goes live on Wednesday
      It’s three times as long

    • @jackdaalfbrainork6392
      @jackdaalfbrainork6392 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      40K Theories *happy shark noises*

  • @Yujifanik
    @Yujifanik 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Is the Emperor of Mankind in fact an AI construct from The Dark Age of Technology???

    • @kybercat7
      @kybercat7 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Well according to the older lore thats defanateley not true is he is for sure a psychic reincarnation of all of old earths shamans, but i would take that with a grain of salt because its that very same old lore that states that nurgle awoke during the black plauge on earth.
      We know thats CAN NOT be true in the new lore because nurgle is the oldest chaos god and has been around as long as sentient things have been scared of death. So if some parts of the older lore are (unofficially) redacted then i see no reason why big E cant have his orgins changed a bit.

    • @Yujifanik
      @Yujifanik 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      True.
      But I was presenting a Theory to Remliez.
      In the Dark Age of Technology, Humanity began worshiping Science as God, the answer to any problem Humanity could encounter. That being the mindset what individual would be considered trust-worthy enough to lead the whole of Humanity? How *could* such a leader be chosen from Humanity, since as Human history has shown, humans are distrustful of each other when it comes to authority and leadership. On top of that how could any human fulfill, even attempt, to confirm Humanity's expectation of such a leader and yet *still* be human with human physical and psychological limitations?
      As previously stated, the mindset that Science is/was Humanity's answer to *EVERY* problem, Humanity did what seemed natural, they went to Science to create the 'perfect' leader. One who would base all "it's" decisions on Science, Logic and Reason; which to an AI would be instinctual, instead of abstract, subjective emotions like a human. The leader would have an intact, uncorrupted STC computer for a brain, and a Nano-tech body which would have none of the human physical limitations; Nano-tech constructs were common place in the Dark Age of Tech, as stated in the book Hunt for Voldorius, where a squad of Raven Guard encountered what they assumed was a Daemon Prince and called it the *Bloodtide, when in fact it was a human Nano-tech construct that had been corrupted by Chaos since it's creation in the Dark Age of Tech.
      *wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Bloodtide
      This theory, would explain why the Emperor based the Imperial Truth off of logic, reason and science. His peerless intellect, encyclopedic knowledge of human behavior and history, seemingly inscrutable character. It would also be why the Emperor in despite of all his psychic abilities is immune from the Warp's corrupting influence since the technology involved was created for a singular purpose and programmed to be instinctually resistant to such 'corrupting' effects. On top of these, it would also explain why the Emperor as the ability to "heal" mechanical construct's simply by touching them, as stated in the opening of the book *Mechanicum. And how the Emperor is "supposedly" able to shape-shift as he demonstrated in the story **The Last Church, a short story in the book Tales of Heresy
      *wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Mechanicum_(Novel)
      **wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Tales_of_Heresy_(Anthology)#The_Last_Church
      In the book Vengeful Spirit, there is a character, *Alivia Sureka who was a Perpetual who knew the Emperor, *before* he was known as the Emperor. According to Sureka, the man who would be the Emperor is described as being just a man with no really warp-presence. It was after the Emperor had entered in and returned from a stable Warp-portal on the Knight-world of Molech, that he became the over-powering psychic being that we know him now to be.
      *wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Alivia_Sureka
      This interaction occurred when Horus had learned about the Emperor's visit to Molech, and invaded the planet. It was through the same portal on Molech that Horus became equal to the Emperor in power.
      If the Emperor truly was a reincarnation of the Shamans of Old Earth's ancient times, why would he needed to go to a portal to get those powers, if he already had them before the Age of Strife *and* the Dark Age of Tech?
      Theoretically, if the Emperor was an AI construct he certainly would physical and mental capabilities far in excess of any human, but though he did know about human behavior, he didn't (understand) human emotion having not been made to do so. Because of this lack of understanding he didn't have psychic abilities to combat the sudden, rapid emergence of Psykers, during the latter days of the Dark Age of Tech.

    • @fort809
      @fort809 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Kyber Cat there isn’t any other new lore source stating that Nurgle cane first, so Khorne is still the first Chaos god to awaken

  • @thenutella8846
    @thenutella8846 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    You already know what I'm about to say.

    • @thenutella8846
      @thenutella8846 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      @meaturama jokes on you. You're now a transvestite.

  • @thatlonewolfguy2878
    @thatlonewolfguy2878 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Is it just me that respects how stealthy yet psychopathic the Night Lords are but still thinks the other Traitor Legions are more interesting? Like the Word Bearers are the original traitors, the Black Legion is the biggest and most powerful Traitor Legion, the Iron Warriors are the opposite number of the Imperial Fists, the Alpha Legion are the proper stealth units of Chaos, they can stir up an uprising on a planet and no one will ever know they're behind it, the World Eaters have the best battle cry ever "blood for the blood god", the Emperor's Children have the ever thirsting hunger for perfection and are psychopaths too, the Thousand Sons are literally spirits in armour, the Death Guard just don't die like you can shoot them over and over and they'll just laugh it off, the Night Lords are kinda just the best parts of the Alpha Legion and World Eaters put together

  • @glitch605
    @glitch605 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    My favorite legion!

  • @imperialbriton3160
    @imperialbriton3160 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Well he could be attempting to rebuild a new version of the Night Lords, using his own gene seed.

    • @imperialbriton3160
      @imperialbriton3160 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Dammit man not all night lords are Cersei!
      Though in all seriousness, he has progenoid glands that haven't yet been corrupted by chaos. All he needs to do is kidnap a renegade apocathery, and a few initiates. Most Astarte only take 50 years before one of their progenoids can be harvested.

  • @Dlúith
    @Dlúith 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    They were fairly desperate for the Corona, don’t know why considering it’s practically impossible not to get it nowadays

  • @ZombieX13
    @ZombieX13 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Zso Sahaal? Never heard of her.

  • @doomguy19931
    @doomguy19931 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    What if the Night Lords didn't like Zho because he was liked by Curze.

  • @randolphcarter6197
    @randolphcarter6197 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    I mean we all know he's not getting past kitten

  • @MohammadWambach-c8w
    @MohammadWambach-c8w 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Connelly Passage

  • @admiralthunderbunny4520
    @admiralthunderbunny4520 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    I just want to see a novel series that tells the tales of the heroes of the legions BEFORE they turned traitor. Warhammer 29k, if you will . . .

  • @jokerswild469
    @jokerswild469 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    There’s no chance curze is dead for good

  • @decency2824
    @decency2824 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Kurzes's death was never confirmed!

    • @decency2824
      @decency2824 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      @Abserd O it was a video on kurzes life

  • @malaltherenegadegod
    @malaltherenegadegod 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Ave Dominus Nox!

  • @Self-replicating_whatnot
    @Self-replicating_whatnot 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Zso Sahaal was stolen by Blood Ravens.

  • @IncarnateSable
    @IncarnateSable 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    You doing okay, Remleiz? Your voice sounds different in this video, I hope you're not coming down with something :(

  • @derrabbit7289
    @derrabbit7289 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Ave Dominus Nox!!!

  • @pjl1979
    @pjl1979 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Ah-Stah-Tees

  • @LoretaGivhan-e7h
    @LoretaGivhan-e7h 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Willms Street

  • @cosuinofdeath
    @cosuinofdeath 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Ah I kno that background music gene stealers

  • @GjbnnncngXjkggvcbj-g9h
    @GjbnnncngXjkggvcbj-g9h 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Dicki Valleys

  • @xlaostha704x
    @xlaostha704x 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I need more loyalist lore. I dispise the heretics!

  • @LouisKing995
    @LouisKing995 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Why do the Nightlords still decorate their armour with the bat wings and shit if they despise Chaos and hardly any of them fall to it ?

    • @ravenstrategist1325
      @ravenstrategist1325 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Because the bat wings have always been their symbol?Where did you get Bats=Chaos?

    • @LouisKing995
      @LouisKing995 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Raven Strategist All I’m saying is the number of bat wings, skulls, spikes and other deathly symbols adorning their armour has increased an awful lot since the heresy. Quite a lot for a legion which supposedly spurns the influence of chaos. But maybe they just got collectively really into modification since they gained independence 🤷‍♂️

    • @LouisKing995
      @LouisKing995 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Raven Strategist All I’m saying is the number of bat wings, skulls, spikes and other deathly symbols adorning their armour has increased an awful lot since the heresy. Quite a lot for a legion which supposedly spurns the influence of chaos. But maybe they just got collectively really into modification since they gained independence 🤷‍♂️