So, it turns out that Gemerl is a new robot Eggman built using Emerl's data. I always thought he was upgraded Emerl. It's funny how you always thought you were 100% sure about a character in a game you love. Maybe that will be retconned in a future game; who knows?
gemerl is not a rebuild or repurposed emerl, he was 100% build by eggman after studying emerl's design, there was nothing left of emerl when he destroyed himself
@@amagicalbeing7427 I’m aware, but it’s kinda hard to not compare 2 treasure hunters who went after the Master Emerald at one point (and had beef with Knuckles because of it)
Agreed, but as long as people have this weird obsession with Classic and Modern being separate (although they clearly aren't), and as long as Sega feels like they're obligated to appease these whiners, that will likely never happen!
I love to engage in conversatioms about obscure characters. Emerl is super underrated and greatly underappreciated. His story in Sonic Battle combined with his arc in Sonic Advance 3 was heartwarming, even if they are separate characters (If they are.) Here’s to hoping to see what they do with Emerl in Dark Beginnings.
Technically the Echidna tribe created Emeral since you see more Gizoids in dark brotherhood which...isnt canon but would make sense to gerald finding him when exploring the ruins in angel Island, i REALLY hope they explore more on that
Because of my love for Archie, Mighty, Ray, the Battle Bird Armada, Nack, Bean, and Bark aren't obscure. I love them all. I love how Mighty was characterized as a nice, laid-back guy who was a great asset to the Chaotix. And Ray was characterized as his brother-in-arms and had a stutter. He was a little cowardly, but ultimately could stand-up when he needed to.
It's hilarious some people still claim that Archie comics butchered Sonic's character and world in favour of "OCs" Freedom Fighters(crazy that people thought of them as unofficial characters) even though it's only in Archie where Mighty, Ray and all the other forgotten characters were given a spotlight and development. Nowadays, it's a miracle for them to get a major role in the classic games. Yet, Sega will never bother to bring Honey the Cat back.
@@ashesGeek Also, the Freedom Fighters existed before Knuckles, Amy, Shadow, Rouge, etc. And it has my favorite versions of every single game character except Amy and Rouge. The comic characters did get a lot of focus, but so did the game characters. Tails and Silver especially.
@@ashesGeek they’re not wrong they replaced Amy with a character that doesn’t wear and it’s completely out of character for Sonic to not question her look.
@ashesGeek None of the cast besides the Sonic/Tails/Knuckles/Shadow quartet with Eggman are pillars. Amy is right behind them. Metal Sonic the last. Everyone else is niche or disposable
I am glad the major obscure characters are getting re-introduced to the current era so new fans will see and I am glad that Fang the Hunter has gotten more attention as he is my fav side villain from Sonic media. :) Curious will you talk about the IDW Comics one day along with the Sonic cartoons, as I like to hear your opinion on them?
I agree! But there are a bunch of Classic purists out there who are absolutely adamant that Classic and Modern should remain separate (even though they clearly aren't), and as long as Sega are insistent on keeping these whiners appeased, the chances of characters like Fang, Mighty, Ray, and even newcomer Trip getting Modern updates and voices are slim to none!
I got to leave room for obscure characters in my own franchises. Using them in an installment where "everyone is here" can make my character roster for it even more interesting than it would already be.
Wow, we've been waiting for this video ever since the chaotix video, and now it's finally here! One of my favorite obscure games is spooky's jumpscare mansion. All the characters are a homage to one peice of horror media. And the main antagonist, spooky, is one of my favorite antagonists ever. Back on sonic, I actually beat sonic battleon an emulator 2 years prior, so when I saw emerl I flipped. I wasn't expecting him to come back.
I think Gemerl is not Emerl. Emerl's dead, but in Battle, Eggman made the Phi's robots ment to copy Emerl. So I think Gemerl is the "Ultimate Phi". He is the culmination of all of Eggman's work.
That and Sonic Battle best fits after the main story is Shadow the Hedgehog and (either it’s extra hard mode if you take that as training for GUN) and Sonic 06
I've never got the hype for Mighty and Ray, even after Mania Plus. I think a have that properly established their characters would help with that, though.
Ray is one of my favorite characters of all time, thanks for talking about him! Another obscure Sonic character that's a bit more well known but still generally forgotten is Marine- people always think she's Sticks the Badger when they see her picture.
I just realized that almost all child characters in the canon of Sonic franchise can fly. Tails, Cream, Ray and Charmy. The only outliyers that cannot fly are Kitsunami and Marine.
@@sugarsmile7852 it is rumoured that Marine does have water powers, but we never seen her use it in any media, so we can't say that she has powers at all. And Kit doesn't have any powers, it's the backpack that he uses which gives him the ability to control water.
Small thing, but the Hooligans themselves do show up in the flesh in Mania. I forget where but it was stated the hooligan that shoots down the tornado is the real deal, so you'll only see one actual hooliganper playthrough.
I like to think of mighty and rays dynamic as a reverse of sonic and tails in a way, mighty despite being the older one is the less confident and more gentle and shy like tails whereas Ray despite being the younger one is less worriful and more adventurous and free like sonic.
Have you heard of The Mysterious Murasame Castle, Fossil Fighters, Nintendo Land, Conker’s Bad Fur Day, Yooka Laylee, Fur Squadron, Whisker Squadron, Everwild, & Wii Fit?
I’m not much for Sonic but would any of these count as “Lesser-Known Characters” whom I like? Gyeron (UltraSeven) Leibniz (Blaster Master Zero) Epsilon Eagle (Alien Soldier) Savage Opress (Star Wars Clone Wars) Elita-One (Transformers)
I am really glad they're no longer ignoring these older characters, but Fang in particular is extremely close to overstaying his welcome for me. Obnoxious boss battles aside, he completely sidelined Trip, the NEW freaking *playable* character who starts off on his side, in literally all of Superstars' marketing. I already know Fang, he's an extremely easy character to get a grasp on, but I have no idea what the deal with the new girl is other than "cute clumsy girl who turns into a dragon". I don't even get why she works with Fang and Eggman to begin with, they bullied her into it I guess? It's not even like we wouldn't have gotten any Fang content otherwise since he got his own spinoff comic series right after that turned out to just be yet another Superstars prequel. And the upcoming Knuckles anniversary comic was initially announced as the "Knuckles&Fang 30th Anniversary Special" (I'm very glad they're not actually calling it that, Metal Sonic would have been a lot more deserving of 30 year title credits in Amy's anniversary than Fang who was only in like three games that just happened to come out when Knuckles did), so chances are he will be the main antagonist in that one as well. Bringing back old characters is great, but it shouldn't come at the expense of the new ones or even the main cast.
So, it turns out that Gemerl is a new robot Eggman built using Emerl's data. I always thought he was upgraded Emerl. It's funny how you always thought you were 100% sure about a character in a game you love. Maybe that will be retconned in a future game; who knows?
It will be really cool🤩 if you can please🙏 talk about the idw sonic character okay👌 alright love you💛🧡 goodbye👋🫶✌️
@@charactersin-depth3472 I know how it feels. For the longest time, I thought Evan Stanley and Ryan Bartley were men
Yeah don't count on it he's been reintroducing the comics they cement him as his own character
*SONIC 3* trailer is out now.
In a way, Gemerl is the next version of the Phi's, robots made by Eggman to emulate (in a bit more limited way) the copy ability
Mighty and Ray are some of my favorite characters. I’m so happy you covered them!
gemerl is not a rebuild or repurposed emerl, he was 100% build by eggman after studying emerl's design, there was nothing left of emerl when he destroyed himself
Fang = Classic Rouge.
CHANGE MY MIND
Omg trans reall????
Okay fr tho this doesn't work cuz of theyre different species
@@amagicalbeing7427 I’m aware, but it’s kinda hard to not compare 2 treasure hunters who went after the Master Emerald at one point (and had beef with Knuckles because of it)
I love gemerl and cream friendship
They really need to Bring Fang, Mighty and Ray into the Modern Era.
Agreed, but as long as people have this weird obsession with Classic and Modern being separate (although they clearly aren't), and as long as Sega feels like they're obligated to appease these whiners, that will likely never happen!
Mighty and Ray are my faves
I love to engage in conversatioms about obscure characters. Emerl is super underrated and greatly underappreciated. His story in Sonic Battle combined with his arc in Sonic Advance 3 was heartwarming, even if they are separate characters (If they are.)
Here’s to hoping to see what they do with Emerl in Dark Beginnings.
Technically the Echidna tribe created Emeral since you see more Gizoids in dark brotherhood which...isnt canon but would make sense to gerald finding him when exploring the ruins in angel Island, i REALLY hope they explore more on that
Those characters need more RESPECT
Mighty and ray relationship is nice and Emerl has a emotional story and fang is funny
Because of my love for Archie, Mighty, Ray, the Battle Bird Armada, Nack, Bean, and Bark aren't obscure. I love them all. I love how Mighty was characterized as a nice, laid-back guy who was a great asset to the Chaotix. And Ray was characterized as his brother-in-arms and had a stutter. He was a little cowardly, but ultimately could stand-up when he needed to.
It's hilarious some people still claim that Archie comics butchered Sonic's character and world in favour of "OCs" Freedom Fighters(crazy that people thought of them as unofficial characters) even though it's only in Archie where Mighty, Ray and all the other forgotten characters were given a spotlight and development.
Nowadays, it's a miracle for them to get a major role in the classic games. Yet, Sega will never bother to bring Honey the Cat back.
@@ashesGeek Also, the Freedom Fighters existed before Knuckles, Amy, Shadow, Rouge, etc. And it has my favorite versions of every single game character except Amy and Rouge. The comic characters did get a lot of focus, but so did the game characters. Tails and Silver especially.
@@ashesGeek they’re not wrong they replaced Amy with a character that doesn’t wear and it’s completely out of character for Sonic to not question her look.
@@bowserbreaker2515 sure they existed earlier, but that doesn’t mean they’re better and also the Americans were so rushed to make their own lore.
@ashesGeek None of the cast besides the Sonic/Tails/Knuckles/Shadow quartet with Eggman are pillars. Amy is right behind them. Metal Sonic the last. Everyone else is niche or disposable
And this is why Sega has to bring back the iconic character of Wes Weasley.
I am glad the major obscure characters are getting re-introduced to the current era so new fans will see and I am glad that Fang the Hunter has gotten more attention as he is my fav side villain from Sonic media. :)
Curious will you talk about the IDW Comics one day along with the Sonic cartoons, as I like to hear your opinion on them?
Fang should come back in a modern game
I agree! But there are a bunch of Classic purists out there who are absolutely adamant that Classic and Modern should remain separate (even though they clearly aren't), and as long as Sega are insistent on keeping these whiners appeased, the chances of characters like Fang, Mighty, Ray, and even newcomer Trip getting Modern updates and voices are slim to none!
@@bowmaj8666 well fuck them then. Fang deserves to be brought into the modern era. More so than Mighty and Ray
What I'd like is some sort of "Sonic B Team" game, where we can play as Ray, Mighty, Trip, Rouge, Cream & Cheese, etc. It'd be a nice shake-up.
I got to leave room for obscure characters in my own franchises. Using them in an installment where "everyone is here" can make my character roster for it even more interesting than it would already be.
I’m excited for Sonic X Shadow Generations
Wow, we've been waiting for this video ever since the chaotix video, and now it's finally here! One of my favorite obscure games is spooky's jumpscare mansion. All the characters are a homage to one peice of horror media. And the main antagonist, spooky, is one of my favorite antagonists ever. Back on sonic, I actually beat sonic battleon an emulator 2 years prior, so when I saw emerl I flipped. I wasn't expecting him to come back.
Sonic Team needs to bring back Honey The Cat and maybe have a cool Fighting Vipers/Sonic The Fighters tribute game or comic to commend her legacy. :)
I think Gemerl is not Emerl. Emerl's dead, but in Battle, Eggman made the Phi's robots ment to copy Emerl. So I think Gemerl is the "Ultimate Phi". He is the culmination of all of Eggman's work.
they are 2 completely different characters gemerl was made by eggman, emerl is an ancient weapon created by an ancient civilization
That and Sonic Battle best fits after the main story is Shadow the Hedgehog and (either it’s extra hard mode if you take that as training for GUN) and Sonic 06
I love Might so much
He is one of the only reasons I have read some of archie comics
Byrne/Staven mention? Based!
Dude Gemerl is not Emerl, they are different characters. Gemerl is only based on Emerl, but they are completely separate robots
My favorite obscure character would probably be Bo Rai Cho from Mortal Kombat
I've never got the hype for Mighty and Ray, even after Mania Plus. I think a have that properly established their characters would help with that, though.
Emerl is my favorite obscure character since he's basically the avatar character before it was popular!
@@devinsauls9137 I wonder if the dev team thought of the player giving him a name.
@@charactersin-depth3472 Hmmm 🤔 Food for thought
1:17 and pay no mind to Sonic's legs!
"GOOD GRIEF HE'S NAKED!"
Ray is one of my favorite characters of all time, thanks for talking about him! Another obscure Sonic character that's a bit more well known but still generally forgotten is Marine- people always think she's Sticks the Badger when they see her picture.
Could you do a video on the archie comics and your opinion on them
Also please do a video on freedom fighters
Bring back Carrotia the Rabbit
@@Skypatroller_BenCD That’s for the Sky Patrol sequel.
I just realized that almost all child characters in the canon of Sonic franchise can fly.
Tails, Cream, Ray and Charmy. The only outliyers that cannot fly are Kitsunami and Marine.
@@SqueakerBunny I never thought of that.
Hold on,aren't Kit and Marine have water power?
@@sugarsmile7852 it is rumoured that Marine does have water powers, but we never seen her use it in any media, so we can't say that she has powers at all.
And Kit doesn't have any powers, it's the backpack that he uses which gives him the ability to control water.
4:23 what do you think are the chances of the Ifrit being mentioned (even briefly) in the preorder journal for Sonic X Shadow Generations.
If the Ifrit isn't in Shadow Generations, that'll probably be left out.
TMNT 2003 fans remembering Cody, Starlee, and Serling the robot butler.😢
I hope Mighty and Ray get their own Anniversary Special in the IDW Comics.
Fun fact: in the UK fleetway sonic the comic mighty and fang is part of the chaotix,but of course fang betrayal the chaotix and become a villain
Really need Honey to be properly used in a classic title. That's an obscure character I'd love to see getting used more than for comics.
She could be a brawler like in Sonic the Fighters.
Small thing, but the Hooligans themselves do show up in the flesh in Mania. I forget where but it was stated the hooligan that shoots down the tornado is the real deal, so you'll only see one actual hooliganper playthrough.
Actually, Gemerl was made using Emerl's data. So technically, Gemerl is an original robot.
I like to think of mighty and rays dynamic as a reverse of sonic and tails in a way, mighty despite being the older one is the less confident and more gentle and shy like tails whereas Ray despite being the younger one is less worriful and more adventurous and free like sonic.
Today’s the day I learn about fake out deaths.
Mario has tons and TONS of obscure characters!
Have you heard of The Mysterious Murasame Castle, Fossil Fighters, Nintendo Land, Conker’s Bad Fur Day, Yooka Laylee, Fur Squadron, Whisker Squadron, Everwild, & Wii Fit?
Ill be real. The current VAs STILL dont do it for me. But in the japanese dub,
Oh boy… its beautiful, hearing koji yusa’s voice as shadow again.
I’m not much for Sonic but would any of these count as “Lesser-Known Characters” whom I like?
Gyeron (UltraSeven)
Leibniz (Blaster Master Zero)
Epsilon Eagle (Alien Soldier)
Savage Opress (Star Wars Clone Wars)
Elita-One (Transformers)
Please🙏 can you talk about the idw sonic character okay👌 that will be really good😍 goodbye👋🫶✌️
I am really glad they're no longer ignoring these older characters, but Fang in particular is extremely close to overstaying his welcome for me. Obnoxious boss battles aside, he completely sidelined Trip, the NEW freaking *playable* character who starts off on his side, in literally all of Superstars' marketing. I already know Fang, he's an extremely easy character to get a grasp on, but I have no idea what the deal with the new girl is other than "cute clumsy girl who turns into a dragon". I don't even get why she works with Fang and Eggman to begin with, they bullied her into it I guess?
It's not even like we wouldn't have gotten any Fang content otherwise since he got his own spinoff comic series right after that turned out to just be yet another Superstars prequel. And the upcoming Knuckles anniversary comic was initially announced as the "Knuckles&Fang 30th Anniversary Special" (I'm very glad they're not actually calling it that, Metal Sonic would have been a lot more deserving of 30 year title credits in Amy's anniversary than Fang who was only in like three games that just happened to come out when Knuckles did), so chances are he will be the main antagonist in that one as well.
Bringing back old characters is great, but it shouldn't come at the expense of the new ones or even the main cast.