"Fifty Aries and twenty Cancers. I'll just have to prove to them that they've seriously underestimated the value of my life." One of this show's many immortal lines.
It's said and established many times in this series that it's more about the pilot's skills rather than the mobile suit they use. Zechs and Heero are about evenly matched no matter what suit they use.
Well, the Tallgeese was significantly more powerful than these Aries and Cancers, it was what the Gundam were based on. I'm also pretty sure if Tallgeese was made from Gundanium, it could likely directly compete with the Wing Gundam.
This gets said a lot and maybe it became true but Heero fails his first few missions against Leos and Ares units. He remained cocky for most of the series.
Nah I'd say Heero is the better Pilot by a good margin. Zero and Epyon's final clash proves that. Epyon was built specifically for close combat while Zero was more well rounded and if anything a distance suit due to its main weapon being the Buster Riffle but he still beat Zeches. Their training would have obviously been different too, Zeches was just the top student at an actual military academy while Heero was given direct one on one training that was most likely far more difficult then anything you'd get at a school
@digitaladventurer2142 it's also said by Mr badass himself you must not be a winner when you pilot eypon so zech was the loser by default and is probably why herro had issues piloting eypon.
"Treize...stop following me around." I liked Zechs seiyuu better, but I can't complain about Brain Drummond's effort. He did a really good job with Zechs in the dub.
Off topic but he was Toa Metru Matau from Bionicle II: Legends of Metru and Bionicle III: Web of Shadows along with Mark Wylde from Hot Wheels: Highway 35 World Race/Acceleracers.
What I love about the Tallgeese is that its essentially a tank held together by giant boosters. It feels like the frame of the gundam itself is being dragged around by the sheer strength of the vernier boosters and its such an intense force that even the pilot feels it too.
Not to be annoying but the tallgeese isn't a Gundam. It's a Mobile Suit. Gundams are Mobile suits too but a different a variety. What is and isn't a Gundam can vary wildly from series to series. The Silver Bullets and Murasames aren't despite having the Gundam head crest. Not to say the talgeese isn't special, it absolutely is. It's the first Mobile Suit ever created in the After Colony timeline. Also you observation about its thrust is very much accurate. When Zechs first tried piloting it it actually physically injured him due how fast it moved and how much strain that put on his body.
@@themrfivesin fhe novel and some other sources such as tge EW manga it’s gundanium alloy not sure if that applies to the tv ver manga as while it keeps the designs from the anime there are differences in events such as heero using wing gundam against zechs instead of heavy arms and the explanation of nataku being the title of wufei’s wife before she died protecting the colony
@@theskipper7305 No it wasn't. Gundanium can only be created in space and was still in development when the Tallgeese was being built so they still used Titanium alloy for it. Wing Zero was the first suit to be DESIGNED with Gundamium in mind
Zechs was the better mobile suit pilot, as was Treize. If anyone read Gundam Episode 0 or the actual Manga, you'd know that the only Gundam pilot truly on a somewhat level playing field with Zechs and Treize was none other than Trowa aka Nanashi aka Triton Bloom. If you refer to the final fight between Zechs and Heero, Zechs actually threw the fight in the Manga and had no intention of actually destroying the earth. It was all a ploy to end the war and merge the relations between earth and space
It should also be mentioned that during the fight in the anime, Zechs was actually looking for a final battle for him to lose his life in. He was still grief stricken from the destruction of the Sanc Kingdom and his failure to save it in the Wing Zero. That is one of the main reasons why after peace was restored, he returned to assist the preventors as "wind" to maintain what Relena and the others had achieved. Zechs was the better pilot and probably the best out of the entire series.
@Demby Abella 11 years? I have to comment on something that was pretty obvious from 11 years ago? Of course he beat him, but his heart wasn't really in that fight. It was a suicide mission, a fact backed up even in the manga
@Demby Abella And the Tall geese a modified expensive original design of a Leo due to cost restrictions. Even with the Tall geese the dude is kicking a Gundams ass. Lol
@@ChristovBelmont thanks for explaining that Zechs wanted to die! I was just wondering about zechs' motivations at the end of gundam wing. It seemed out of character for him to want to destroy earth at the end, but it makes more sense if he's just trying to get himself killed. That actually makes his line of "I'm going to live right until the bitter end" more significant - that's the point where he changes his mind about trying to die, and instead tries to help Heero destroy the ship.
I remember watching this on Toonami and I had missed the episode where he liberated Sanc Kingdom. So for me this scene where Zechs’s mask breaks felt more appropriate in revealing his face
I've been a Gundam fan for over 20 years and the Tallgeese is still my favorite mobile suit in the entire franchise. It just looks so clean and cool and the dober gun is a classy weapon.
it's more circumstantial than skill, Zechs fought fought 50 Aries and 30 cancers in Tallgeese, while Heero fought an army of Mobile DOLL Virgos in a crappy Leo
I don't think he honestly wanted to be Treize's friend anymore. After all, the only reason Zechs joined the Romafeller Foundation was to get inside and destroy it for the destruction it caused to his family and the Sanc kingdom .
Actually the Hyaku Shiki is the taller mobile suit: Tallgeese= Head height 17.4 meters Hyaku Shiki= overall height 21.4 meters; antenna height 19.2 meters; head height 18.5 meters Tallgeese wins in Agility too.
In Glory of the Losers, Tallgeese gets upgraded into the Tallgeese Flugel after this and would remain in service up until the battle with Duo Maxwell wherein it was heavily damaged and lost the Anti Gundam Heat Lance. The Tallgeese Flugel Binders, Data from Wing Gundam EW, and the frame from the Wing Gundam Proto Zero which was wrecked against Duo, were used to build the Wing Gundam Zero EW. You can say that Wing Zero EW became the true successor of the Tallgeese at that point.
Tallgeese Destroyed is the title of the episode, durrrr. Maybe before you point this out as a misleading title, which it isn't, you should watch Gundam Wing again. I highly suggest it.
Buy the Tallgeese 3 High Grade 1/100 Kit. Provided you're willing to do some painting, they have all the parts available to make any of the three Tallgeese variations. It's not complex painting either, just airbrushing some parts white instead of blue.
@@Kira22558 Yeah, true, you've got a point. When I wrote this comment I mostly just meant on a visual storytelling level though. I was imagining that something similar could have worked towards the end of OG Gundam during the Amuro vs. Char sword fight or something like that
I bought a MG Tallgeese 1 several years ago. It's the Endless Waltz version (no, not Tallgeese 3), but it's pretty much exactly the same, just with minor added details. Check it out; if you haven't bought it already, I highly recommend it. I got this and "Wing Proto Zero" (basically an Endless Waltz version of the original TV Wing Zero--minor added details).
I like how this is titled "Tallgeese destroyed" but Tallgeese walks away from this one. Maybe the title was supposed to be "Tallgeese destroyed everything like a champ"?
I would like to see a model of a hypothetical tallgeese IV , basically the EW Tallgeese III but upgraded with parts salvaged from the destroyed Gundams. Especially wing zero
Apparently there’s a manga set as a prequel to Endless Waltz, and there was an iteration of the Tallgeese that was used as a testbed for the Wing Zero’s angel wings. Probably not canon though, considering the Endless Waltz angel wings were retconned into the original anime’s story.
Glory of the Losers had the Tallgeese Flugel, which was a retcon of the Tallgeese being outfitted for Space Combat. In Glory of the Losers, Duo destroyed the Wing Gundam Proto Zero and defeated Zechs in the Tallgeese Flugel. Due to severe damage, Howard decided to use the Tallgeese Flugel's Wings, Data from the Wing Gundam, and the existing Wing Proto Zero frame to create the Wing Zero EW and later on added the Shield and Neon Bird mode back, along with additional equipment. The Tallgeese Flugel was outfitted with Anti Gundam Weapons but the upgrades on the Deathscythe Hell proved to be superior to it.
i thought i'd never say this, but zechs makes char's zaku look like a little red C3PO. You know, the gender confused droid from star wars. there I said it.
What is the name of the OST that plays when he started his battle with 50 Ares and 20 Cancers? I've been combing the internet and I can't find it. Is it an unreleased OST?
The mask symbolizes his alter ego, Zechs Merquise, the name he used while working with Treize to bring down the Alliance from within. While a friend, Zechs was a tool in Treize' grander schemes for the world. The mask was his most outward symbol of that relationship. Zechs Merquise, Treize's masked right-hand man. But that wasn't him anymore. He'd couldn't be a part of Oz as he'd grown beyond that and his ideals had become incompatible with the Romefeller Foundation's. Because he'd crossed them, they sent this mobile suit force to kill him. And all of that meant that he'd grown beyond the friendship with Treize, as well. Earlier in the episode Treize tells him that if her were to "die" he'd be free and that's exactly what happens. The moment the mask breaks, Zechs Merquise is dead and all that's left is Millardo Peacecraft. He's no longer a soldier of Oz nor is he the man who was friends with Treize Khushrenada. Think of it like a cicada molting and discarding it's used husk.
@@deenice8062 I just hate click bait like this. I actually liked seeing Zeches salute and send Tallgeese off like a close friend and wanted to see it but then we get this.
I don't know what your deal is either, this is the only anime I've ever seen with a good dub. There's a few problems like Septem, but its still the best by a longshot.
Yeah and it was later heavily modified to the point where it was tactically comparable to Wing Zero. I loved the Tallgeese though, it completely shat on all those other mass produced mobile suits.
Wing zero, you mean the wing gundam with the zero system?. yes I agree, I meant the wing gundam. The Tallgeese sure showed that with the right pilot it could keep up with a gundam. The main limitations with the tallgeese was in it's armor merely being strengthened titanium.
Gundam Wing was a fine show, but I don't know where you're getting "good dub." None of the characters had much in the way in voice inflection as far as I could tell.
"Fifty Aries and twenty Cancers. I'll just have to prove to them that they've seriously underestimated the value of my life."
One of this show's many immortal lines.
It's said and established many times in this series that it's more about the pilot's skills rather than the mobile suit they use. Zechs and Heero are about evenly matched no matter what suit they use.
And then the Virgos happened
Well, the Tallgeese was significantly more powerful than these Aries and Cancers, it was what the Gundam were based on.
I'm also pretty sure if Tallgeese was made from Gundanium, it could likely directly compete with the Wing Gundam.
This gets said a lot and maybe it became true but Heero fails his first few missions against Leos and Ares units. He remained cocky for most of the series.
Nah I'd say Heero is the better Pilot by a good margin. Zero and Epyon's final clash proves that. Epyon was built specifically for close combat while Zero was more well rounded and if anything a distance suit due to its main weapon being the Buster Riffle but he still beat Zeches. Their training would have obviously been different too, Zeches was just the top student at an actual military academy while Heero was given direct one on one training that was most likely far more difficult then anything you'd get at a school
@digitaladventurer2142 it's also said by Mr badass himself you must not be a winner when you pilot eypon so zech was the loser by default and is probably why herro had issues piloting eypon.
"Treize...stop following me around."
I liked Zechs seiyuu better, but I can't complain about Brain Drummond's effort. He did a really good job with Zechs in the dub.
Drummond was also the voice of the OG Vegeta
His dub is legendary. He's seeshomaru
Off topic but he was Toa Metru Matau from Bionicle II: Legends of Metru and Bionicle III: Web of Shadows along with Mark Wylde from Hot Wheels: Highway 35 World Race/Acceleracers.
This is one epic scene and Brian Drummond is a legend
What I love about the Tallgeese is that its essentially a tank held together by giant boosters. It feels like the frame of the gundam itself is being dragged around by the sheer strength of the vernier boosters and its such an intense force that even the pilot feels it too.
Not to be annoying but the tallgeese isn't a Gundam. It's a Mobile Suit. Gundams are Mobile suits too but a different a variety. What is and isn't a Gundam can vary wildly from series to series. The Silver Bullets and Murasames aren't despite having the Gundam head crest. Not to say the talgeese isn't special, it absolutely is. It's the first Mobile Suit ever created in the After Colony timeline. Also you observation about its thrust is very much accurate. When Zechs first tried piloting it it actually physically injured him due how fast it moved and how much strain that put on his body.
@@themrfivesin fhe novel and some other sources such as tge EW manga it’s gundanium alloy not sure if that applies to the tv ver manga as while it keeps the designs from the anime there are differences in events such as heero using wing gundam against zechs instead of heavy arms and the explanation of nataku being the title of wufei’s wife before she died protecting the colony
I'm not here to win anything, I'm just pointing out that the Tallgeese is the superior MS.
Nope. No machine guns and no gundamiam. It's just the tallest.
Always was
@@vendediesel funnily enough in the novel the Tallgeese WAS armored with Gundanium
@@vendediesel wrong
@@theskipper7305 No it wasn't. Gundanium can only be created in space and was still in development when the Tallgeese was being built so they still used Titanium alloy for it. Wing Zero was the first suit to be DESIGNED with Gundamium in mind
Zechs was the better mobile suit pilot, as was Treize. If anyone read Gundam Episode 0 or the actual Manga, you'd know that the only Gundam pilot truly on a somewhat level playing field with Zechs and Treize was none other than Trowa aka Nanashi aka Triton Bloom. If you refer to the final fight between Zechs and Heero, Zechs actually threw the fight in the Manga and had no intention of actually destroying the earth. It was all a ploy to end the war and merge the relations between earth and space
THANK YOU FOR EXPLAINING THIS
When you realize the secondary antagonist is the seventh protagonist.
Well to be honest he is basically char clone who is 2rd protagonist in UC
@@jotaroisbestboy7593 I think descendent is more accurate.
@@The_Platinum_Realist well yeah
@@The_Platinum_Realist maybe char manage to send his will across time and space
He's literally the Green Ranger in Epyon and the White Ranger in Tallgeese 3
It should also be mentioned that during the fight in the anime, Zechs was actually looking for a final battle for him to lose his life in. He was still grief stricken from the destruction of the Sanc Kingdom and his failure to save it in the Wing Zero. That is one of the main reasons why after peace was restored, he returned to assist the preventors as "wind" to maintain what Relena and the others had achieved. Zechs was the better pilot and probably the best out of the entire series.
@Demby Abella 11 years? I have to comment on something that was pretty obvious from 11 years ago? Of course he beat him, but his heart wasn't really in that fight. It was a suicide mission, a fact backed up even in the manga
@Demby Abella Because the Zero system showed him that he was on the wrong side of the battle. Zechs was the best pilot period.
@Demby Abella And the Tall geese a modified expensive original design of a Leo due to cost restrictions. Even with the Tall geese the dude is kicking a Gundams ass. Lol
@@ChristovBelmont thanks for explaining that Zechs wanted to die! I was just wondering about zechs' motivations at the end of gundam wing. It seemed out of character for him to want to destroy earth at the end, but it makes more sense if he's just trying to get himself killed. That actually makes his line of "I'm going to live right until the bitter end" more significant - that's the point where he changes his mind about trying to die, and instead tries to help Heero destroy the ship.
ZERO System gave Zechs the tools and to method to achieve total Pacifisim. As the way "He" wanted. To become the "Fallen Hero"
My favorite part of gundam wing is that anything that is cut or shot, will explode like its entirely made of TNT or something.
Listening to Brian Drummond gives me chills as he completely owns this
I remember watching this on Toonami and I had missed the episode where he liberated Sanc Kingdom. So for me this scene where Zechs’s mask breaks felt more appropriate in revealing his face
This scene and when Zechs destroyed the Barge station were so epic. ~_~
I've been a Gundam fan for over 20 years and the Tallgeese is still my favorite mobile suit in the entire franchise. It just looks so clean and cool and the dober gun is a classy weapon.
Tallgeese Gets destroyed in space when Zech found the abandon Wing Zero.He Self Detonated Tallgeese so he could get to wing zero.
1:21 treize, stop following me around.
it's more circumstantial than skill, Zechs fought fought 50 Aries and 30 cancers in Tallgeese, while Heero fought an army of Mobile DOLL Virgos in a crappy Leo
"This friendship only lasts until the day my mask breaks."
Truly an iconic moment, but why couldn't he just get another mask 🤔
He got it at one of those pop up Halloween stores and it was currently out of season
Only one chance
It was more about feeling en-mask-ulated.
I don't think he honestly wanted to be Treize's friend anymore. After all, the only reason Zechs joined the Romafeller Foundation was to get inside and destroy it for the destruction it caused to his family and the Sanc kingdom .
he does! That's a beef I have with the show. They should have kept the mask off, later in the show he is wearing it again.
Actually the Hyaku Shiki is the taller mobile suit:
Tallgeese= Head height 17.4 meters
Hyaku Shiki= overall height 21.4 meters; antenna height 19.2 meters; head height 18.5 meters
Tallgeese wins in Agility too.
Every since my Sis pointed out Drummond sounds like Batman as Zechs, I can't take him seriously 😅😂
In Glory of the Losers, Tallgeese gets upgraded into the Tallgeese Flugel after this and would remain in service up until the battle with Duo Maxwell wherein it was heavily damaged and lost the Anti Gundam Heat Lance.
The Tallgeese Flugel Binders, Data from Wing Gundam EW, and the frame from the Wing Gundam Proto Zero which was wrecked against Duo, were used to build the Wing Gundam Zero EW. You can say that Wing Zero EW became the true successor of the Tallgeese at that point.
1:48 Wholy crap! Just goes to show that Tallgeese doesn't need an Anti-Ship Sword to sushi a whole ship.
God, I LOVE this scene.
Tallgeese Destroyed is the title of the episode, durrrr.
Maybe before you point this out as a misleading title, which it isn't, you should watch Gundam Wing again. I highly suggest it.
Buy the Tallgeese 3 High Grade 1/100 Kit. Provided you're willing to do some painting, they have all the parts available to make any of the three Tallgeese variations. It's not complex painting either, just airbrushing some parts white instead of blue.
*mask shatters* and now I cannot be your friend anymore....
To take on that many enemies at once shows you just how strong Zechs really was in the show and why he was a threat to Heero
That moment when the mask breaks is cool AF and I'm kinda surprised they never tried doing something similar with Char in the original Gundam
Both their masks serve different purposes.
@@Kira22558 Yeah, true, you've got a point. When I wrote this comment I mostly just meant on a visual storytelling level though. I was imagining that something similar could have worked towards the end of OG Gundam during the Amuro vs. Char sword fight or something like that
I still want the Tallgeese 1 model kit if i can find one!
Here's hoping you've been able to find and enjoy the RG Tallgeese
I’ve been looking for the 3 as an mg having found that one but the 1 you can find through places like Gundam store USA
I bought a MG Tallgeese 1 several years ago.
It's the Endless Waltz version (no, not Tallgeese 3), but it's pretty much exactly the same, just with minor added details. Check it out; if you haven't bought it already, I highly recommend it.
I got this and "Wing Proto Zero" (basically an Endless Waltz version of the original TV Wing Zero--minor added details).
I like how this is titled "Tallgeese destroyed" but Tallgeese walks away from this one. Maybe the title was supposed to be "Tallgeese destroyed everything like a champ"?
Definition of going down swinging 🔥🔥
Still my favorite MS of all time 😎
Tallgeese has always been my favorite mobile suit. It's like combining a Roman Centurion, a mobile suit, and a storm trooper into one.
tallgeese wasn't destroyed in this episode! was destroyed via self distruction when in outer space
yeah a gundam wing game made like mech assault where ya have an open world to fight in would be badass!
So many deaths in this series. All those mobile suits he destroyed had pilots that died.
50 Aries and 20 Cancers. That makes 70 moblie suits.
Tallgeese against that many robots. Those are bad odds,
I recognised him as Espio from Sonic Heroes.
Man that would suck to be in one of those underwater suits.
I would like to see a model of a hypothetical tallgeese IV , basically the EW Tallgeese III but upgraded with parts salvaged from the destroyed Gundams. Especially wing zero
Apparently there’s a manga set as a prequel to Endless Waltz, and there was an iteration of the Tallgeese that was used as a testbed for the Wing Zero’s angel wings.
Probably not canon though, considering the Endless Waltz angel wings were retconned into the original anime’s story.
Glory of the Losers had the Tallgeese Flugel, which was a retcon of the Tallgeese being outfitted for Space Combat.
In Glory of the Losers, Duo destroyed the Wing Gundam Proto Zero and defeated Zechs in the Tallgeese Flugel. Due to severe damage, Howard decided to use the Tallgeese Flugel's Wings, Data from the Wing Gundam, and the existing Wing Proto Zero frame to create the Wing Zero EW and later on added the Shield and Neon Bird mode back, along with additional equipment.
The Tallgeese Flugel was outfitted with Anti Gundam Weapons but the upgrades on the Deathscythe Hell proved to be superior to it.
Oh man Zechs managed to sell this fight good... He took the jobbing to whole another level😂😂😂
Probably Tallgeese, it pretty much wins in speed and mobility department.
Who do you think will win between Zechs vs. Treize?
Zecha is a better pilot. Treize is a legendary leader
i thought i'd never say this, but zechs makes char's zaku look like a little red C3PO. You know, the gender confused droid from star wars. there I said it.
What is the name of the OST that plays when he started his battle with 50 Ares and 20 Cancers? I've been combing the internet and I can't find it. Is it an unreleased OST?
I don't remember the name but it's definitely not unreleased. It later plays in the final episode when Heero shoots down Libra
Enforced breakthrough
Took me along Time to realize the mobile suits zechs is fighting are named after the zodiac signs.
Leos, Cancers,Taurus's, Virgo's and Aries,
All of these mobile suits are from OZ. OZ is shorthand for Organization of OZ
I don't understand the mask situation. please explain
The mask symbolizes his alter ego, Zechs Merquise, the name he used while working with Treize to bring down the Alliance from within. While a friend, Zechs was a tool in Treize' grander schemes for the world. The mask was his most outward symbol of that relationship. Zechs Merquise, Treize's masked right-hand man. But that wasn't him anymore. He'd couldn't be a part of Oz as he'd grown beyond that and his ideals had become incompatible with the Romefeller Foundation's. Because he'd crossed them, they sent this mobile suit force to kill him. And all of that meant that he'd grown beyond the friendship with Treize, as well. Earlier in the episode Treize tells him that if her were to "die" he'd be free and that's exactly what happens. The moment the mask breaks, Zechs Merquise is dead and all that's left is Millardo Peacecraft. He's no longer a soldier of Oz nor is he the man who was friends with Treize Khushrenada. Think of it like a cicada molting and discarding it's used husk.
I love the Tallgeese but it always bothered me that they treated it as having infinite ammo whereas the Gundams definitely ran out.
Tallgeese was never in an extended fight like the Gundams and unlike the Wing Gundam, the Tallgeese's Dobergun didn't use cartridges
zech sounds like sesshomaru...i think....let me check again
I remember Buttzechs Marquise.
Who is he talking to???
What is the name of the song?
"Enforcement Breakthrough", I'd been searching the OST for it as well
oh right,
IT'S A GUNDAM!!!!!!!
Title is wrong he doesn't destroy the Tallgeese for several episodes yet
You must be real fun at parties.
@@deenice8062 I just hate click bait like this. I actually liked seeing Zeches salute and send Tallgeese off like a close friend and wanted to see it but then we get this.
Why the misleading title? Tallgeese isn't destroyed until some time after it gets into space IIRC. It's been a VERY long time since I watched Wing.
That's the name of the Episode.
@@DrForrester87 Thank you.
I don't see what's wrong with it. The voice sounds fine. =/
He's a char clone anyways.
Pfft. ZECHS.
I don't know what your deal is either, this is the only anime I've ever seen with a good dub. There's a few problems like Septem, but its still the best by a longshot.
if I'm not mistaken, Tallgeese was disabled but not destroyed from this battle.
Yeah and it was later heavily modified to the point where it was tactically comparable to Wing Zero. I loved the Tallgeese though, it completely shat on all those other mass produced mobile suits.
WaveForceful It truly makes the comment "Mother of them all" a badass one.
in the series it literally displayed the ability to keep up with all the gundams.
Wing zero, you mean the wing gundam with the zero system?. yes I agree, I meant the wing gundam. The Tallgeese sure showed that with the right pilot it could keep up with a gundam. The main limitations with the tallgeese was in it's armor merely being strengthened titanium.
Yeah, The Tallgeese did defeat heavyarms, although it wasn't a fair battle since heero was injured.
nope, it's treize that sounds like sesshomaru, and zechs sounds like renkotsu from the band of seven.
Tallagese NOT destroyed
and that battle wasnt even that good i wanna see the whole series now...
I don't know why you're arguing with this, Heero already won against Zechs.
Is Zechs gay for Trieze???
it's called friendship you homophobic
Gundam Wing was a fine show, but I don't know where you're getting "good dub." None of the characters had much in the way in voice inflection as far as I could tell.
I actually like most dubs; I just didn't happen to like Gundam Wings. Don't be so presumptuous.
Zechs is just another prime example of one of the worst dubbings of all time.
weeb
@@moatezmoussi9751 seconded
@@moatezmoussi9751 agreed
i annoy friends and loved ones by frequently saying "treize, I cannot be your friend anymore" apropos of nothing