Further thoughts which didn't make it into the script: * Aim Assist can also blur the line between those who aren't and are cheating, further adding to the corruption of the game spirit. In an environment where people's ability are their own and clearly more variable and error-prone, those who are cheating or suspiciously accurate can be spotted easier. Conversely, if the person is just really exceptional, then they will stand out and be admired/respected/feared for that ability as they naturally should be. * "Contractors Showdown has bullet travel! The aim assist will actually get in a player's way! LMAO video invalid git gud scrub, u jus salty an suck :D" Yes, it can sometimes work against you at longer ranges where needing to lead the target means fighting against the aim assist trying to stick to and track the target. But overall I think it is still a net advantage, particularly for lesser skilled aimers, due to how the aim point significantly stabilises in a radius near the enemy player, still allowing you to smoothly track and lead them with great help, alongside the jank of being able to detect them through walls sometimes. * I carelessly used the word 'arbitrary' in some cases, not fully understanding its meaning. Sorry about that, will be more careful going forward. * In retrospect I realise I didn't elaborate enough on how the trend of aim assist would affect the development and end gameplay of future VR shooters if it becomes normalised. On top of the consequences I say in the script, I believe it would push future VR shooter design to further lean away from the natural usage of motion controls, and even more towards ill-suited long-worn out flat screen crap and the mindsets which accompany that. EXTRA MESSAGE FOR VIRTUE SIGNALING ACCESSIBILITY CULT BRAIN ROT COMMENTERS: "What about people who shake violently and want to play VR!? Or can't move their shoulders!!? Or arms!?!? Or they don't have any arms?!? They and EEEEEEEEEEVVVVVVVVVERRRRRYYYYYONE should be able to participate in everything in the same way no matter what!!" You live in a delusional internet bubble firmly divorced from reality. Go out into the real world for a while and see how long that naïve fanciful low hanging fruit virtue signal DOESN'T last, and how entitled, condescending, selfish and stifling to all creativity and progress your delusional faux empathy is. I will not respond to or take seriously your lazy, thoughtless, cheap appeal to toxic empathy, and your comment will likely be deleted if it's the usual sanctimonious rant which has no substance or originality.
I do wish you had talked about the consequences of it being normalized in the future but either way, great video, I agreed with every word you said in the video and wrote in this comment. Thank you for representing us so well.
@user-xc4bf5qd2s Thank you, and yeah I completely agree I messed up not verbally painting a picture of how things could be if it were normalised as it would help drive the point home very much. I’m surprised I missed mentioning that as it seems like such an obvious and important capstone. If I ever have a chance to remake/remaster any of my content with the help of properly skilled editors so I can focus on the writing and voice over, I’ll be sure to fix it.
Wow, you seem overly sensitive to the accessibility thing. Do you think all accessibility considerations are virtue signaling? The real world is full of them.
Yeah, I'd have otherwise bought this game, and the second I realise there is aim assist, I'll immediatly hate the game with every win being an unfair advantage, and every loss being potentially aim assist based. Even worse, if you get dunked by an aim assister and tbagged.
Hot Dogs, Horseshoes & Hand Grenades (usually known as H3VR) is the gold standard for gun control and should be a template, it genuinely helps before a range day!, you can learn the safety and use of weapons you haven't handled yet before you fire them. Aim assist in VR is the opposite of what we should be doing.
no, you take care. you are the only consistent and passionate VR content creator who actually dishes out his own opinions and points out the OBVIOUS problems with most vr games, of which are ignored by almost ALL VR creators. much love to you, and your unparalleled critical thinking skills.
Well said brother. May our natural yearn for proper play guid us to a future where the outcome of the games we play will be determined by our skills and physical abilities instead of broken game features. I want thrilling fights that last for more than three god damn seconds. I want to enjoy defeating an enemy and not just express a sigh of relief for not being the one who has to move on to the next match.
That's one of the best feelings in VR is meeting others, its the community that makes VR amazing, so this game takes all that away, it really does look like a flat screen game, all we want is realism in battle
Half-Life: Alyx had it figured out. It was literally designed as baby's first VR game, and yet doesn't have aim assist to coddle the player's ego. Instead, the maps' combat sections are designed to be close-quarters so that it's naturally easier to hit. Close engagements also put more emphasis on how you position your physical body around obstacles, and feels a lot more personal when you're right up to the enemy, which what VR is best at. It's such an elegant solution, and they figured it out 4 years ago.
Aim assist is the wrong solution*, but I think VR definitely needs some kind of input smoothing. It's one of the most annoying things in VR for me when a shooting game stops being shooting, and starts being simply fighting the shaky, jittery reticle. A real gun has weight that steadies your hand, and not just that, but you grip a gun very differently than a controller. There needs to be accommodation for that. *For multiplayer games, at least. There are cases where I think it's fine because it is essentially an intended game mechanic. Look at a game like Pistol Whip, where's it's about fast shooting and physically moving to doge bullets, not precise aim. It's just flat out more fun with aim assist enabled, because it's so much more needlessly difficult without.
This also exemplifies the importance of transparency. The consequences would be far less bad and definitely more informed if all of the settings clearly stated what they do and are supposed to do.
This. If you suck at shooting, go to a gun range. If you don't live in the US, start playing airsoft or paintball. You could even start playing with nerf guns and see an increase in VR shooter skill for fuck's sake, it's not hard to just improve in these games
This is something i love about Pavlov is how good it feels to hit a headshot from far away. Yes there is virtual stock but no aim assist or other help than skill and maybe luck plus the satisfying headshot sound. I said Pavlov since its the main shooter i play but should be accurate for other non aim assist games. Pavlov when starting was brutal as it felt like people where aimbotting and i was terrible but after 100 hours and now that i can hit shots better it feels much more grounded and fun now that i have gotten better and can win fights more often.
Virtual Stock is fine as it approximates the stability a real stock would give you. That third point of contact helps a ton. Alternatively you can use a gun stock, personally I always found them too clunky to use.
Yeah virtual stock shouldn't be compared to aim assist imo. You would have a stock to stabilize your aim in real life, you would not have a computer in your gun that pointed it at the bad guys for you (not yet anyway)
As a 'novice' gamer but a decent marksman, I've been playing with this turned off or at least with very low stabilisation of 2. Now I feel conflicted about turning it on. I feel like it explains a lot of the incredible shots, where I've been amazed at the other players aim skill that I've been taken down by...
Something I noticed with the weapon smoothing setting is that if you have it around 4 or higher and try to make a fast movement when holding certain guns the gun will stick in place for a second or two before snapping to where you tried to aim if which is very off.
This is funny because I disabled this setting because i wanted to make sure I knew where my actual hands were aiming at all times...this explains some things...
Urrrgh... The community railed against scoped aim assist when it was trialled for the original game, and they took it out again without it getting pushed out of testing. That they've put it in again is disgusting.
It’s in Contractors too. Only seems to work for magnifying optics, not holo or red dots. Try it on a single player match. Similar behaviour as here. I haven’t played Contractors in a long time but I think it also needs ‘Scope Stabilisation’ turned on to apply, found in the Control options. Could be wrong about that though.
Two seconds in, I paused the video and said aloud, 'God, I love his voice.' After discovering your page and binge-watching your videos months ago, I found this one on my feed. Just as I clicked the thumbnail, I thought about how much I enjoy your narration and voice. Thank you for all the work you put into to these.
Excellent video as always. It's weird that these otherwise obvious behavioral side effects of essentially built in cheating takes any pride out of a win, and any personal growth out of gameplay, so there is no real point in playing since victory is tainted, and losing makes you wonder if you got aim-botted.
I’ve been waiting anxiously to play this with PSVR2 once the PC cable finally comes out but I didn’t even know that it had aim assist. I will probably still get it but I am however very sad that this is in the game. I completely agree that it should not be in a competitive VR shooter as it somewhat defeats the entire purpose of it. It was the biggest issue I had in Firewall Ultra which was much more flagrant with it and basically snapping the aim directly to where you’re looking by pressing the left trigger but and it looks like it’s rearing it’s ugly head again in this game as well even though I bit more subtle with it. Still any of this garbage shouldn’t be in VR PvP shooters at all.
Hard Core mode. Significant TTK reduction (i.e. major damage increase), elimination of aim assist and realistic recoil when firing without both hands on the rifle.
I have long observed this unfortunate reality in modern FPS games. With the rise of crossplay in PC games, I yearn for the games of yesteryear where I could be terrible but tangibly feel myself improving, and where a lobby could consist of good and bad players alike. Now, algorithms keep players forever running on a matchmaking treadmill where they can never get ahead or behind, and never feel themselves improving, and where you can't tell if a player is using an actual aimbot from across the map or a console crossplayer is using auto aim to compensate for the inability to aim. I miss the competition. I don't even want to play modern FPS games with how artificial it is.
I'll be honest, not knowing I had this on by default just makes me feel I'm probably even worse at this game than I thought, because apparently even with it on I can't hit a damn thing 😂 Edit: Though, it does also explain why my more realistic attempt to use semi auto with everything that offers it leeds to me losing battles against guys just headshotting me on fullauto all the time : / And I am actuary a very trained shooter who bought this game thinking this was gonna be a chance to shine a bit in vr. Oh, just got to that part of the video as I was editing this.
At a minimum, you should just be able to select a server with/without aim assist. Makes it fair and fun for everyone. Just like you can select a server with or without friendly fire in counter strike (don't know if that is still a thing)
@@tea.edits.ae. good point, but steam has ~50 concurrent players, meta maybe 3 times this number. So that should be enough for 2 game modes. And since players can choose it would only attract more players, not make anyone quit.
@@tea.edits.ae. It's only going to divide the playerbase because of the idiots who play this game and think it should be everyone else's problem that they can't hold a gun straight to save their lives
Would be great to come across you on the Contractors Showdown servers at some point. Being a Brit, in one game one of my teammates told me came across someone whose voice was “even more British”, and I was thinking that could have been yourself. There is an under appreciation of just how much games can help with motor skills and brain engagement that you could never get plumped down on the sofa watching something mindless. As for age I am getting on in years but as far as I’m concerned games are all ages. Anyway, enjoying the content and all the best to you.
I would be okay with aim assist in single player games for people who need accessibility settings, but it has NO PLACE in multiplayer modes, especially when VR is already precise enough and there are smooting options added to VR games for some time now. But scope aim tracking opponents ?? That is just stupid, no thanks.
This is so annoying. Why is there aim assist in a VR GAME? Aren’t you supposed to be immersed and use your own skill to aim? I really hope this doesn’t become a big thing for vr multiplayer games. I’ll honestly still play this game but this will always be in the back of my mind while playing and it will bug the hell out of me I bet. Who knows if we complain enough we will be able to get this terrible mechanic removed in season 1 (probably not though and that’s sad)
I liked how Crossfire sierra squad on psvr2 would do the hold breath smoothing effect if trigger is half squeezed. Just smooths out all the jitter when aiming down scopes.
Do you do audiobook readings? I've been trying to find a good read through of the illiad and the Odyssey that are easy to understand when sped up and your voice is perfect.
VR skill level for players is low. These mechanics suck to people who know how to play, but the playerbase isn't big enough to NOT have them. There is also counter-play to deal with them once you know how they work. The aim assist in Showdown doesn't help with leading shots, only with steadying on the target. It is strictly to help normal and casual players feel like they are doing well, which will spread the word of VR and get more eyes on it. It is a temporary necessity. Every VR game has some form of aim assist. Whether it is pop1 motion damping, VAIL weapon smoothing, or even using V-stock in the first place.
A asked around the discord for this game and strangely everyone I ask says aim assist is only on 4x and 8x scopes when I asked them if it was ever on dot scopes, they said it was never in the game but the footage you show clearly shows the dot locking onto the enemy
I haven’t played the game in a long while so no idea if they’ve adjusted it since then. The best course of action is not just take my or their word for it, go test for yourself, trust your own eyes, ears and senses.
I had something long typed out cus this kind of frustrated me, but I think it could be more simply stated as: This is when the game meta overtakes player skill, and thus I've lost interest.
Great deep dive that definitely helps demystify aim assist in games! I agree with everything when considering players who are not aware of what aim assist is doing for them. Though I have a few points that I would debate: * Precise and slow aim is not objectively better aim than imprecise and fast aim. That's true if you are only measuring precision but in the context of a fire-fight, speed can't be left out of the equation. I think this comes down to the feel that the game is trying to achieve. More aim assist rewards speed more and less aim assist rewards precision more. Increasing aim assist because you want your game to play faster doesn't seem objectively worse to me, but it's totally fair to have an opinion like that. * Aim assist narrows the skill gap. Totally true if neither player is aware of the presence of aim assist. I would actually say the opposite is true if only some players understand the aim assist and how to use it for maximum benefit. In your example where aim assist is tracking targets through walls, the player that knows about that and uses it to know when their target is going to expose themselves would give them a significant advantage over the low skill player who doesn't know that is even possible. Or just simply knowing that the game has generous aim assist so you should try to fire faster even if you have to sacrifice precision. I don't think this is a healthy way to widen the skill gap, but I wouldn't argue that the skill gap is always narrower with aim assist. * All of this applies to aim assist as a setting or global behavior but I don't think player experience is affected the same way when aim assist is tied to in-game items. If it's known that X gun or scope has a high degree of aim assist, players would consider it a better gun just by their success rate regardless of their knowledge of what aim assist is doing for them. If that item is difficult to acquire or expensive, maybe the improved performance is justifiable. Some of your examples are from Destiny which needs a lot of guns for players to pursue. They accomplish that with randomized characteristics including some that affect aim assist. For example, there is one that increases your aim assist as your health decreases. That may mean that the player with that weapon trait will beat a player of equal skill without that trait, but the losing player could turn that around by increasing their skill, acquiring a weapon with that trait, or playing into their own weapon traits better. Again, I'll 1000% agree that aim assist in VR has to be considered completely differently from console aim assist because the same features will affect feel differently when you change the input medium that significantly.
my first thought of showdown on its release is that i am amazed how good of an aim people have with what seems like no effort, while i feel like i need to fight the scope to aim where i want to aim. if you turn off the "smoothing" it feels even worse. i cant play a game like that.
MR VR voice, you need to check FIREWALL ULTRA, that's basically what killed it. Aim assist and incompetent devs. In that "game" you don't even have to move your arms, just press the trigger and the gun will move straight to the enemies head.
This absolutely killed FU. I was a hardcore FZH sweat and was so ready to move on to the new greatness…wow what a dumpster fire. Everything about it was bad. Eye tracked grenade throwing, auto ads, wall hacks, OP operators. This game was the biggest disappointment in years. I miss the days of Firewall Zero Hour with the Aim controller, felt so perfect.
What about aim assist while hipfiring? most people say "it only helps when ADS" but i think its just more difficult to notice/measure/record, but its there.
I’m really not sure to be honest. My initial guess is that it only applies while the ‘ADS’ condition is triggered. I’ll leave it down to the rest of you to explore further if you care. Showdown is uninstalled for me now, and I’ve no desire to return in the near future.
I always thougt that maybe the aim assists plays into the fast paced arcade style the game is going for. Take away aim assist and it becomes more of a military Sim and the casual player who doesn't play that often wouldn't have as much fun. I get the concept of a " Get Good" but for a game that doesn't have a huge player base i can see why the devs made the decision.
I just started in Contractors: Showdown a couple days ago, but when I noticed the aim assist, I lost all interest in playing it. Now I regret wasting my money.
When I played the beta I felt that my aiming felt way to good as oppose to their last game where stabilization did as said. At first I though damn my aiming is good then when I was being basically sniped by pistols at ranges where a rifle would be a better use then I gave it a go and was like wtf like I felt powerful but everyone else was as good or better than me
This game is really really good. It has some really really rough edges. I hope the doves don’t abandon it but I am afraid they will just be onto the next game here within the next six months or so.
CM has some good history in VR game development. Keep in mind the OG contractors has been out for several years. The were one of the first if not the first to enable a stock calibration, open up to modding community (Pavlov may have been first) and develop a good looking VR FPS. (Though onward 1.7 was pretty next level when it first dropped.)
It helps with the tracking on my head unlike my gun won’t teleport to my other eye also it’s not the big of a deal I played a match without aim assist and the only thing It helps from a far distance like my arm are always shaky even while ding nothing
The difference isn't between platforms, it's between having aim assist turned on or off, console usually has aim assist because they only have a few inches to work with, PC could have aim assist but most times it doesn't since they expect you to have more space. In vr, unless you're using the sticks to aim, you shouldn't need aim assist, what the video is getting at is that aim assist in vr will hinder the good players while rewarding the bad ones.
I recently bought Guardians Frontline (think helldivers meets halo) and my goodness the aim asist is egregious in that game. You point the gun in the general direction of a bug and it'll die. Combine that with the fact that the guns have 0 phantom weight so they are far from stabilized. I basicly run around dual wielding machine guns cus there not much benefit to using sights. I still like the game tho its really fun.
This is crazy, I never noticed this before but it's so obvious now. Oddly I remember them adding aim assist to the original Contractors with an update (but actually calling it what it is) and everyone hated it. If I remember correctly they completely removed it and just lowered rifle recoil instead? Why would they add it to the new game?
Kind of makes me think about how when I play showdown I feel like I'm giving everyone the smackdown. Then I play Vail and have a 1.1 KD. You could say it's the recoil, TTK, or aim angle but I think it's a mix of both sides
And that’s just it, isn’t it? Now your idea of your own ability in this play context is inconsistent and laced with uncertainty. And you can apply that uncertainty to the performance of other players.
This is *wild* to know. I’ve played well over 20 hours of Contractors Showdown, am in their Discord, I live stream all my gameplay while talking to viewers and played with official Showdown content creators and I had NO clue this was going on. This should be made widely known. It seems to me that I’ll be utilizing the scope stabilization and turning the number above 6. The times I’ve tried using it was at a level 2 and it sure as hell wasn’t anything like what was shown in the video. Good to know why kills and knocks and gunplay have seemed off since first playing and still to this day. Not to mention the players are bullet sponges in this game. Can hit somebody with 10 bullets and not kill the person. I don’t like battle royal titles but Showdown is a lot of fun with others but knowing this feature is aim assist, may change that. Now time to enable scope stabilization and see how it changes my K/D ratio and fun…
Contractors also has a similar aim assist with the zoom scopes (ACOG, sniper etc), same setting name I think, 'scope stabilisation'? The devs just didn't tell you they added it :-) And optics are so rarely used in Contractors that I don't think many have noticed, or care. And if that's in the game, just like it is more so in Showdown, then that opens the door to speculation of what else might be secretly assisting our aim, perhaps a little bullet magnetism is happening too...🤷♂ And that’s the point, the integrity of the whole thing, the spirit of competition and reasonably fair ply, falls apart.
@@MrVRVoice never noticed in original contractors and I use a gunstock and the sights a lot . I have missed by a hair plenty but if you say it’s there maybe I won’t notice in showdown either .
You know what I've seen every point you made play out and assumed I'm worse, sucks to know everybodys using a crutch or know this exists and doesn't use it
Makes no sense to me, why cheat in a system that allows you to use real skill to kick ass, VR should be about player skills....................I've not played showdowns yet
Such high weapon smoothing as is adviced in the settings for aimbot feels bad to play with. But I might have to try this tounderstand if those chinese players just abuse this system or actually hack 🧐
I knew something was up when I was playing the beta and I was getting beamed. I was like there’s no way half these people are this good during a TEST. Now I know it’s AA lol. I ended up not even liking the game and never bought it.
I mean, youre probably right. But i have a very warm relationship with aim assist. I dont invest as much time into videogames as other people, even less with vr since im a weak little skeleton man. But i have never IN MY LIFE been matched with someone of equal skill in ANY videogame ive played. It seems my skill level is in a perfect goldilocks zone of mediocrity that results in every confrontation being either trivial or oppressively difficult. My playstyle has evolved into cowering in corners and sneaking around, dying instantly if anyone gets a whiff of my position since every other player has the aim and precision of an intercontinental ballistic missile. And when i do get a lesser skilled player to play against i end up feeling bad for killing them so easily. Perhaps this is an issue with me. After all, i believe if i achieved something it was easy, or the other player was playing really poorly. and if someone else achieved something it was because they were skilled, because from my perspective it was all effortless for them. I just cant shake it, its in my DNA. Aim assist does have a place however, at least in games where the enjoyment doesn't come solely from measuring skill. These days the only thing that seems to matter is your skill, so i understand the aversion to aim assist. Not saying it should be in every game either, that would ruin something like counter strike. Its just. there is a market for it. people who dont understand the sigma skill grindset like me.
Contractors showdown is a fast paced game, you gotta use movement or you will get dunked on, you are trying to play it like a tactical shooter when it isn’t. It’s like trying to play COD or Apex Legends like a milsim, you gotta follow how the game is designed or you take Ls. If you refuse to accept that and want crutches like aim assist then that’s on you and any time you play, you’ll never get better. It’s really not difficult to get good at VR.
@@tea.edits.ae. Its seems you got the impression I play stupid. Truth is the only way i manage in lobbies with skilled players is by playing smart. My point was if i ever got into a fair 1v1 i would usually get instagibbed by the other player because they're a meat based aimbot. My playstyle has devolved into quickly dipping between cover or blindspots, then attacking from behind. That's my go to strat for titanfall 2, wall run or grapple somewhere unexpected, then ambush. Its the only way i can get a kill on a good player. My problem is the skill gradient for these guys is totally busted, i never get a 1v1 that feels like we both couldve lost. So i guess i should just take the L and git good like you suggest. Why didnt i think of that?
I should also add that I play a very large variety of games, but competitive ones make up a very tiny margin of those. Games like skate 3 ultrakill and skyrim are great examples of aim assist improving the gameplay experience. imagine if you had to do the equivalent of a 180 quickscope every time you jump in super mario brothers. Wow! So much skill expression! but at what point is it just a bunch of precise button inputs. When do you get to start having fun? That just sounds like a grind to me. This is starting to sound hostile... Have fun however you want to, I just wish I understood why you're having that fun. Anyways, what is bro yapping about? skill issue fr fr
You're an outlier and, for obvious reasons, are not part of the target demographic. It sucks, but that's the reality of the situation and your fun shouldn't come at the expense of everyone else's. The end.
It doesn't change the fact that if one player is better than one another, the better player will win though. The skill floor is just lower and so is skill ceiling. (As you mentioned, lower amount of skill expression) People complain about aim assist the moment they added in Contractors VR but no one bat an eye when it Showdown because of huh duh bullet travel. Personally, I wish it doesn't exist, globally nothing will change.
While Aim Assist is a valid concern for sure, it is hard to argue it can be 'unfair' if everyone has access to it. I never considered controller Halo matches unfair even if they had some aim assist tied to the input method, so I don't see a difference with VR. My real concern does come into the flattening of player skill differences, but even then some minimal level is perfectly acceptable. It just seems like Contractors over-tuned a bit. TL;DR I disagree this is 'currently' a big problem, but caution is important in this area to prevent it becoming a major problem in the future.
Im fine with this Casual shooters can exist, there are many many competitive shooters without this that can be enjoyed by the competitive market. Casual players this way are not subject to the grinding tedium of being killed by 10k hour VR champs with VRChat GFs before seeing improvement or more likely quitting. To say all competition is removed by aim assist is a little deceiving, you're distilling every part of the gameplay to a theoretical one on one where every factor is the same (guns, health etc) and the only deciding factor is the aim assist. Games are a measure of strategy as much as they are reflexes and good strategy in a battle royale can help win engagements (sometimes before the enemy even knows you're there) which is why the genre gained popularity all those years ago. To make an appeal to emotion with the hypothetical where both players become friends because their mags are empty is extremely cringe and probably shouldn't have been included in the script. I understand why you included it, but it's too much of a reach. Most players would simply reload and shoot them anyway, ending the engagement. At the end of the day whether you're using a controller, mouse, quest or index knuckles a computer is aiming for you, it is translating the most input it can get and thats as much as can be expected of it which for some people isn't enough for fun experience. People don't want to be in VR for hours on end to git gud. People have emails to answer, calls to take, families to interact with. You cant do any of this without much difficulty in VR. Let's not make an already difficult to introduce platform to regular people, even more exclusive. If the only place people can get casuao VR is Meta Horizons or some shit, zuckerberg wins.
Nah this is cap, you can easily get good at VR shooters with 5-10 hours of practice of the right thing. It’s just a massive lack of effort on the casual playerbase department. The way a battle royale has always been setup is that the best players win, so any BR you play whether it be on PC or VR, if you don’t put any effort in, you lose, that’s what makes them so rewarding when you do win because you know you’ve earned it, this aim assist just defeats the point of all of that, on a medium that quite frankly doesn’t need it because the controls are so intuitive and seamless.
“ you're distilling every part of the gameplay to a theoretical one on one where every factor is the same (guns, health etc) and the only deciding factor is the aim assist” -_- No I’m not. Ugh, another boring, albeit, well-written rebuttal which looks decent on the surface but is just lazily taking points of the discussion to stupid extremes and then arguing against those extremes to prove your point. “People don't want to be in VR for hours on end to git gud”. What?? What are you implying by arguing this in relation to what I said? Are you also implying that anything without aim assist is not casual, or that players don’t care to apply themselves to the gameplay of the game they’ve chosen? I don’t understand what you are basing this kind of response from. “At the end of the day whether you're using a controller, mouse, quest or index knuckles a computer is aiming for you, it is translating the most input it can get and thats as much as can be expected of it which for some people isn't enough for fun experience.” …what??? So because, our inputs are being translated…through a device…into a computer…this means…that we must accept it removing certain agencies from the player…because…??? I already pointed out why aim assist came to be from input limitations of controllers, limitations which are, provably, no longer a factor with motion control tracking in VR with the solutions already in place. So…what are you trying to press on with this paragraph exactly? “Games are a measure of strategy as much as they are reflexes and good strategy in a battle royale can help win engagements (sometimes before the enemy even knows you're there) which is why the genre gained popularity all those years ago.” Thanks, I had no idea that other elements beyond pointing and shooting contributed to one’s success. I clearly must come across as a guy who wouldn’t ever consider those things. You’re not wrong, obviously, but the inclusion of unnecessary artificial assists when it comes down to the nitty gritty of combat can still sabotage the outcome of those other factors depending on the game design and, again, innumerable variables in play. So yeah…not sure what else to say except repeat points from the video, as most of what you’re rebuking is your own straw-manning. “Causal shooters can exist,” -_- Implying I am against them from the get-go to set up your victory lap rebuke. So insincere, boring and tiresome.
Saying everything "isn't that deep bro" has grown a bit lazy and cliche, don't you think? Many things are that deep, if you don't want to engage with the world, then go stare at a wall and drool into a cup.
Further thoughts which didn't make it into the script:
* Aim Assist can also blur the line between those who aren't and are cheating, further adding to the corruption of the game spirit.
In an environment where people's ability are their own and clearly more variable and error-prone, those who are cheating or suspiciously accurate can be spotted easier.
Conversely, if the person is just really exceptional, then they will stand out and be admired/respected/feared for that ability as they naturally should be.
* "Contractors Showdown has bullet travel! The aim assist will actually get in a player's way! LMAO video invalid git gud scrub, u jus salty an suck :D"
Yes, it can sometimes work against you at longer ranges where needing to lead the target means fighting against the aim assist trying to stick to and track the target.
But overall I think it is still a net advantage, particularly for lesser skilled aimers, due to how the aim point significantly stabilises in a radius near the enemy player, still allowing you to smoothly track and lead them with great help, alongside the jank of being able to detect them through walls sometimes.
* I carelessly used the word 'arbitrary' in some cases, not fully understanding its meaning. Sorry about that, will be more careful going forward.
* In retrospect I realise I didn't elaborate enough on how the trend of aim assist would affect the development and end gameplay of future VR shooters if it becomes normalised.
On top of the consequences I say in the script, I believe it would push future VR shooter design to further lean away from the natural usage of motion controls, and even more towards ill-suited long-worn out flat screen crap and the mindsets which accompany that.
EXTRA MESSAGE FOR VIRTUE SIGNALING ACCESSIBILITY CULT BRAIN ROT COMMENTERS:
"What about people who shake violently and want to play VR!? Or can't move their shoulders!!? Or arms!?!? Or they don't have any arms?!?
They and EEEEEEEEEEVVVVVVVVVERRRRRYYYYYONE should be able to participate in everything in the same way no matter what!!"
You live in a delusional internet bubble firmly divorced from reality. Go out into the real world for a while and see how long that naïve fanciful low hanging fruit virtue signal DOESN'T last, and how entitled, condescending, selfish and stifling to all creativity and progress your delusional faux empathy is.
I will not respond to or take seriously your lazy, thoughtless, cheap appeal to toxic empathy, and your comment will likely be deleted if it's the usual sanctimonious rant which has no substance or originality.
Have you tried Pavlov on PC??
I heard there were some issues with the PC version.
I do wish you had talked about the consequences of it being normalized in the future but either way, great video, I agreed with every word you said in the video and wrote in this comment. Thank you for representing us so well.
@user-xc4bf5qd2s Thank you, and yeah I completely agree I messed up not verbally painting a picture of how things could be if it were normalised as it would help drive the point home very much. I’m surprised I missed mentioning that as it seems like such an obvious and important capstone. If I ever have a chance to remake/remaster any of my content with the help of properly skilled editors so I can focus on the writing and voice over, I’ll be sure to fix it.
Do you play Blade & Sorcery? I just got it, it was a choice between showdowns or Blade and Sorcery, so glad I picked the latter
Wow, you seem overly sensitive to the accessibility thing. Do you think all accessibility considerations are virtue signaling? The real world is full of them.
Are you kidding me, even in VR now? I want to fight players, not a computer aiming for them...
That's so boring.
You are doing a service to the VR industry. Don't ever stop.
Yeah, I'd have otherwise bought this game, and the second I realise there is aim assist, I'll immediatly hate the game with every win being an unfair advantage, and every loss being potentially aim assist based.
Even worse, if you get dunked by an aim assister and tbagged.
🙏🏻
Hot Dogs, Horseshoes & Hand Grenades (usually known as H3VR) is the gold standard for gun control and should be a template, it genuinely helps before a range day!, you can learn the safety and use of weapons you haven't handled yet before you fire them.
Aim assist in VR is the opposite of what we should be doing.
i love h3's gun controls, the virtual stock is the best i've seen in vr, and weapon functions like reloads are unforgiving and technical
I wonder why the developer doesn't just license it to other games, or make his own complete game.
no, you take care. you are the only consistent and passionate VR content creator who actually dishes out his own opinions and points out the OBVIOUS problems with most vr games, of which are ignored by almost ALL VR creators. much love to you, and your unparalleled critical thinking skills.
Well said brother. May our natural yearn for proper play guid us to a future where the outcome of the games we play will be determined by our skills and physical abilities instead of broken game features. I want thrilling fights that last for more than three god damn seconds. I want to enjoy defeating an enemy and not just express a sigh of relief for not being the one who has to move on to the next match.
Playing Contractor Showdown, I was wondering how people were so consistent with the sniper...
Also Nerrel's motion control videos are amazing.
That's one of the best feelings in VR is meeting others, its the community that makes VR amazing, so this game takes all that away, it really does look like a flat screen game, all we want is realism in battle
Half-Life: Alyx had it figured out.
It was literally designed as baby's first VR game, and yet doesn't have aim assist to coddle the player's ego. Instead, the maps' combat sections are designed to be close-quarters so that it's naturally easier to hit. Close engagements also put more emphasis on how you position your physical body around obstacles, and feels a lot more personal when you're right up to the enemy, which what VR is best at.
It's such an elegant solution, and they figured it out 4 years ago.
Aim assist is the wrong solution*, but I think VR definitely needs some kind of input smoothing. It's one of the most annoying things in VR for me when a shooting game stops being shooting, and starts being simply fighting the shaky, jittery reticle. A real gun has weight that steadies your hand, and not just that, but you grip a gun very differently than a controller. There needs to be accommodation for that.
*For multiplayer games, at least. There are cases where I think it's fine because it is essentially an intended game mechanic. Look at a game like Pistol Whip, where's it's about fast shooting and physically moving to doge bullets, not precise aim. It's just flat out more fun with aim assist enabled, because it's so much more needlessly difficult without.
Motion damping is a thing a dev can add.
i hope vr developers see your video and take it to heart
This also exemplifies the importance of transparency. The consequences would be far less bad and definitely more informed if all of the settings clearly stated what they do and are supposed to do.
This is what killed Firewall Ultra. VR shooters need to based on skill
This. If you suck at shooting, go to a gun range. If you don't live in the US, start playing airsoft or paintball. You could even start playing with nerf guns and see an increase in VR shooter skill for fuck's sake, it's not hard to just improve in these games
This is something i love about Pavlov is how good it feels to hit a headshot from far away. Yes there is virtual stock but no aim assist or other help than skill and maybe luck plus the satisfying headshot sound. I said Pavlov since its the main shooter i play but should be accurate for other non aim assist games. Pavlov when starting was brutal as it felt like people where aimbotting and i was terrible but after 100 hours and now that i can hit shots better it feels much more grounded and fun now that i have gotten better and can win fights more often.
Virtual Stock is fine as it approximates the stability a real stock would give you. That third point of contact helps a ton.
Alternatively you can use a gun stock, personally I always found them too clunky to use.
Yeah virtual stock shouldn't be compared to aim assist imo. You would have a stock to stabilize your aim in real life, you would not have a computer in your gun that pointed it at the bad guys for you (not yet anyway)
As a 'novice' gamer but a decent marksman, I've been playing with this turned off or at least with very low stabilisation of 2. Now I feel conflicted about turning it on. I feel like it explains a lot of the incredible shots, where I've been amazed at the other players aim skill that I've been taken down by...
ok having tried it in pre-game its horrible couldn't see myself using it... I'll just be naturally good or bad
Something I noticed with the weapon smoothing setting is that if you have it around 4 or higher and try to make a fast movement when holding certain guns the gun will stick in place for a second or two before snapping to where you tried to aim if which is very off.
This is funny because I disabled this setting because i wanted to make sure I knew where my actual hands were aiming at all times...this explains some things...
Same 😂
Urrrgh... The community railed against scoped aim assist when it was trialled for the original game, and they took it out again without it getting pushed out of testing.
That they've put it in again is disgusting.
It’s in Contractors too. Only seems to work for magnifying optics, not holo or red dots. Try it on a single player match. Similar behaviour as here. I haven’t played Contractors in a long time but I think it also needs ‘Scope Stabilisation’ turned on to apply, found in the Control options. Could be wrong about that though.
Two seconds in, I paused the video and said aloud, 'God, I love his voice.' After discovering your page and binge-watching your videos months ago, I found this one on my feed. Just as I clicked the thumbnail, I thought about how much I enjoy your narration and voice.
Thank you for all the work you put into to these.
mans isn't called VRVoice for no reason
@@PunishedDad I was expecting a generic deep voice actor, but this guy's voice is so buttery smooth
vr should be testing your muscle mechanics since your body is the controller in effect. why someone would add aim assist to vr is mind boggling
Excellent video as always. It's weird that these otherwise obvious behavioral side effects of essentially built in cheating takes any pride out of a win, and any personal growth out of gameplay, so there is no real point in playing since victory is tainted, and losing makes you wonder if you got aim-botted.
I’ve been waiting anxiously to play this with PSVR2 once the PC cable finally comes out but I didn’t even know that it had aim assist. I will probably still get it but I am however very sad that this is in the game. I completely agree that it should not be in a competitive VR shooter as it somewhat defeats the entire purpose of it. It was the biggest issue I had in Firewall Ultra which was much more flagrant with it and basically snapping the aim directly to where you’re looking by pressing the left trigger but and it looks like it’s rearing it’s ugly head again in this game as well even though I bit more subtle with it. Still any of this garbage shouldn’t be in VR PvP shooters at all.
Who'd have though double standards bleeding into the VR industry. I'm also not happy about it : /
need to have this as a server setting so all play with or with out it.
Hard Core mode. Significant TTK reduction (i.e. major damage increase), elimination of aim assist and realistic recoil when firing without both hands on the rifle.
No aim assist in Splatoon on Nintendo, gyro is king over there. No excuse having it in VR.
Thank you for making this video. People need to know
"'it's just a game what does it matter' So is society. So is romance." dope as hell
I have long observed this unfortunate reality in modern FPS games. With the rise of crossplay in PC games, I yearn for the games of yesteryear where I could be terrible but tangibly feel myself improving, and where a lobby could consist of good and bad players alike.
Now, algorithms keep players forever running on a matchmaking treadmill where they can never get ahead or behind, and never feel themselves improving, and where you can't tell if a player is using an actual aimbot from across the map or a console crossplayer is using auto aim to compensate for the inability to aim.
I miss the competition. I don't even want to play modern FPS games with how artificial it is.
It’s 2am rn, but I always love it when you cover topics like this (example; artificial movement), but I will watch this in the morning :)
I'll be honest, not knowing I had this on by default just makes me feel I'm probably even worse at this game than I thought, because apparently even with it on I can't hit a damn thing 😂
Edit: Though, it does also explain why my more realistic attempt to use semi auto with everything that offers it leeds to me losing battles against guys just headshotting me on fullauto all the time : /
And I am actuary a very trained shooter who bought this game thinking this was gonna be a chance to shine a bit in vr.
Oh, just got to that part of the video as I was editing this.
At a minimum, you should just be able to select a server with/without aim assist. Makes it fair and fun for everyone. Just like you can select a server with or without friendly fire in counter strike (don't know if that is still a thing)
This is a really good idea, then you can just flick a toggle before queueing to get matched into either type of server.
You can’t divide the playerbase on such a small game
@@tea.edits.ae. good point, but steam has ~50 concurrent players, meta maybe 3 times this number. So that should be enough for 2 game modes. And since players can choose it would only attract more players, not make anyone quit.
@@tea.edits.ae. It's only going to divide the playerbase because of the idiots who play this game and think it should be everyone else's problem that they can't hold a gun straight to save their lives
Would be great to come across you on the Contractors Showdown servers at some point. Being a Brit, in one game one of my teammates told me came across someone whose voice was “even more British”, and I was thinking that could have been yourself. There is an under appreciation of just how much games can help with motor skills and brain engagement that you could never get plumped down on the sofa watching something mindless. As for age I am getting on in years but as far as I’m concerned games are all ages. Anyway, enjoying the content and all the best to you.
I vividly remember spamming ADS while on the Tranzit bus to cheese the zombies
So true, never thought about it that much until now. Thank you, going to play beat sabre now lol
I would be okay with aim assist in single player games for people who need accessibility settings, but it has NO PLACE in multiplayer modes, especially when VR is already precise enough and there are smooting options added to VR games for some time now. But scope aim tracking opponents ?? That is just stupid, no thanks.
Another great video!
This is so annoying. Why is there aim assist in a VR GAME? Aren’t you supposed to be immersed and use your own skill to aim? I really hope this doesn’t become a big thing for vr multiplayer games. I’ll honestly still play this game but this will always be in the back of my mind while playing and it will bug the hell out of me I bet. Who knows if we complain enough we will be able to get this terrible mechanic removed in season 1 (probably not though and that’s sad)
I love your content thank you very much for what you do.
NERREL is a goat gyro advocate
I liked how Crossfire sierra squad on psvr2 would do the hold breath smoothing effect if trigger is half squeezed. Just smooths out all the jitter when aiming down scopes.
This is definitely going to cause a lot more trades through players of completely different skill Ievel
Yup, on top of the poor latency issues, trading is quite common.
Do you do audiobook readings? I've been trying to find a good read through of the illiad and the Odyssey that are easy to understand when sped up and your voice is perfect.
Good video. I didn't know all that about the halo targeting.
Aim Assist and its Consequences have been a disaster for the human race
VR skill level for players is low. These mechanics suck to people who know how to play, but the playerbase isn't big enough to NOT have them.
There is also counter-play to deal with them once you know how they work.
The aim assist in Showdown doesn't help with leading shots, only with steadying on the target. It is strictly to help normal and casual players feel like they are doing well, which will spread the word of VR and get more eyes on it. It is a temporary necessity. Every VR game has some form of aim assist. Whether it is pop1 motion damping, VAIL weapon smoothing, or even using V-stock in the first place.
nice video m8 very well thought out.
A asked around the discord for this game and strangely everyone I ask says aim assist is only on 4x and 8x scopes when I asked them if it was ever on dot scopes, they said it was never in the game but the footage you show clearly shows the dot locking onto the enemy
I haven’t played the game in a long while so no idea if they’ve adjusted it since then. The best course of action is not just take my or their word for it, go test for yourself, trust your own eyes, ears and senses.
I had something long typed out cus this kind of frustrated me, but I think it could be more simply stated as:
This is when the game meta overtakes player skill, and thus I've lost interest.
Great deep dive that definitely helps demystify aim assist in games! I agree with everything when considering players who are not aware of what aim assist is doing for them. Though I have a few points that I would debate:
* Precise and slow aim is not objectively better aim than imprecise and fast aim. That's true if you are only measuring precision but in the context of a fire-fight, speed can't be left out of the equation. I think this comes down to the feel that the game is trying to achieve. More aim assist rewards speed more and less aim assist rewards precision more. Increasing aim assist because you want your game to play faster doesn't seem objectively worse to me, but it's totally fair to have an opinion like that.
* Aim assist narrows the skill gap. Totally true if neither player is aware of the presence of aim assist. I would actually say the opposite is true if only some players understand the aim assist and how to use it for maximum benefit. In your example where aim assist is tracking targets through walls, the player that knows about that and uses it to know when their target is going to expose themselves would give them a significant advantage over the low skill player who doesn't know that is even possible. Or just simply knowing that the game has generous aim assist so you should try to fire faster even if you have to sacrifice precision. I don't think this is a healthy way to widen the skill gap, but I wouldn't argue that the skill gap is always narrower with aim assist.
* All of this applies to aim assist as a setting or global behavior but I don't think player experience is affected the same way when aim assist is tied to in-game items. If it's known that X gun or scope has a high degree of aim assist, players would consider it a better gun just by their success rate regardless of their knowledge of what aim assist is doing for them. If that item is difficult to acquire or expensive, maybe the improved performance is justifiable. Some of your examples are from Destiny which needs a lot of guns for players to pursue. They accomplish that with randomized characteristics including some that affect aim assist. For example, there is one that increases your aim assist as your health decreases. That may mean that the player with that weapon trait will beat a player of equal skill without that trait, but the losing player could turn that around by increasing their skill, acquiring a weapon with that trait, or playing into their own weapon traits better.
Again, I'll 1000% agree that aim assist in VR has to be considered completely differently from console aim assist because the same features will affect feel differently when you change the input medium that significantly.
my first thought of showdown on its release is that i am amazed how good of an aim people have with what seems like no effort, while i feel like i need to fight the scope to aim where i want to aim.
if you turn off the "smoothing" it feels even worse.
i cant play a game like that.
well what if the players on the magnet side had only 1 arm they could use cause of bad control method
This video need to be share until reach the developers of showdown
MR VR voice, you need to check FIREWALL ULTRA, that's basically what killed it. Aim assist and incompetent devs. In that "game" you don't even have to move your arms, just press the trigger and the gun will move straight to the enemies head.
Shocked and stunned such game design in VR was a failure! 😱
This absolutely killed FU. I was a hardcore FZH sweat and was so ready to move on to the new greatness…wow what a dumpster fire. Everything about it was bad. Eye tracked grenade throwing, auto ads, wall hacks, OP operators. This game was the biggest disappointment in years. I miss the days of Firewall Zero Hour with the Aim controller, felt so perfect.
@@MasterMayhem78 I'm also thinking I had helped PSVR2 demise/downfall, since it flopped hard and it was a Sony IP.
@@MasterMayhem78Yes! FWZH on PSVR was *great* !!!
What about aim assist while hipfiring? most people say "it only helps when ADS" but i think its just more difficult to notice/measure/record, but its there.
I’m really not sure to be honest. My initial guess is that it only applies while the ‘ADS’ condition is triggered. I’ll leave it down to the rest of you to explore further if you care. Showdown is uninstalled for me now, and I’ve no desire to return in the near future.
your voice is too good, I'm subbing
I always thougt that maybe the aim assists plays into the fast paced arcade style the game is going for. Take away aim assist and it becomes more of a military Sim and the casual player who doesn't play that often wouldn't have as much fun. I get the concept of a " Get Good" but for a game that doesn't have a huge player base i can see why the devs made the decision.
I adore that nerrel video
I just started in Contractors: Showdown a couple days ago, but when I noticed the aim assist, I lost all interest in playing it. Now I regret wasting my money.
Excellent
When I played the beta I felt that my aiming felt way to good as oppose to their last game where stabilization did as said. At first I though damn my aiming is good then when I was being basically sniped by pistols at ranges where a rifle would be a better use then I gave it a go and was like wtf like I felt powerful but everyone else was as good or better than me
This game is really really good. It has some really really rough edges. I hope the doves don’t abandon it but I am afraid they will just be onto the next game here within the next six months or so.
CM has some good history in VR game development. Keep in mind the OG contractors has been out for several years. The were one of the first if not the first to enable a stock calibration, open up to modding community (Pavlov may have been first) and develop a good looking VR FPS. (Though onward 1.7 was pretty next level when it first dropped.)
I knew something was up with this in contrast to how much better I do in Pavlov and regular contractors
It helps with the tracking on my head unlike my gun won’t teleport to my other eye also it’s not the big of a deal I played a match without aim assist and the only thing It helps from a far distance like my arm are always shaky even while ding nothing
how does the beginning make any sense when both teams would be on the same platform… theres no pc vs console in vr, everyone has the same controls
The difference isn't between platforms, it's between having aim assist turned on or off, console usually has aim assist because they only have a few inches to work with, PC could have aim assist but most times it doesn't since they expect you to have more space. In vr, unless you're using the sticks to aim, you shouldn't need aim assist, what the video is getting at is that aim assist in vr will hinder the good players while rewarding the bad ones.
I recently bought Guardians Frontline (think helldivers meets halo) and my goodness the aim asist is egregious in that game. You point the gun in the general direction of a bug and it'll die. Combine that with the fact that the guns have 0 phantom weight so they are far from stabilized. I basicly run around dual wielding machine guns cus there not much benefit to using sights. I still like the game tho its really fun.
No idea why, but I get no audio on this video
It seemed only had this issue on mobile, only this video though.
Get gud scrub.
@@MrVRVoice big voice man is bullying me. Help daddy TH-cam
This is crazy, I never noticed this before but it's so obvious now. Oddly I remember them adding aim assist to the original Contractors with an update (but actually calling it what it is) and everyone hated it. If I remember correctly they completely removed it and just lowered rifle recoil instead? Why would they add it to the new game?
Kind of makes me think about how when I play showdown I feel like I'm giving everyone the smackdown. Then I play Vail and have a 1.1 KD. You could say it's the recoil, TTK, or aim angle but I think it's a mix of both sides
And that’s just it, isn’t it? Now your idea of your own ability in this play context is inconsistent and laced with uncertainty. And you can apply that uncertainty to the performance of other players.
Does contractors have aim assist? I don't think Pavlov does
Yes contractors does turn it on and feel the difference
Contractors doesn’t, contractors showdown does
They tested it for the original game, and the community hated it, so they removed it before pushing the update live.
@@calcariachimera it's called weapon stabilization in options
This is *wild* to know. I’ve played well over 20 hours of Contractors Showdown, am in their Discord, I live stream all my gameplay while talking to viewers and played with official Showdown content creators and I had NO clue this was going on. This should be made widely known. It seems to me that I’ll be utilizing the scope stabilization and turning the number above 6. The times I’ve tried using it was at a level 2 and it sure as hell wasn’t anything like what was shown in the video.
Good to know why kills and knocks and gunplay have seemed off since first playing and still to this day. Not to mention the players are bullet sponges in this game. Can hit somebody with 10 bullets and not kill the person. I don’t like battle royal titles but Showdown is a lot of fun with others but knowing this feature is aim assist, may change that. Now time to enable scope stabilization and see how it changes my K/D ratio and fun…
Btw the best point you made is... Netcode suck. And Showdown doesn't have enough server for everybody.
NA or suffer lag.
You don't know how many players have talked shit about other games, using showdown as some type of metric.
Contractors showdown is one of the first if not the first vr shooter to have aim assist and hopefully last
The game is fire tho
don’t regular contractors have aim assist?
@@capolean2902 no I don't think so, or atleast I've not noticed it
Have you ever played population one? That game clearly have aim assist aswell
gotta be honest, this really makes the game look cold and lame
Well CRAP..... at least I didn't buy it yet . That would bug the ever living crap out of me. I love the original game too ... damn
Contractors also has a similar aim assist with the zoom scopes (ACOG, sniper etc), same setting name I think, 'scope stabilisation'? The devs just didn't tell you they added it :-) And optics are so rarely used in Contractors that I don't think many have noticed, or care. And if that's in the game, just like it is more so in Showdown, then that opens the door to speculation of what else might be secretly assisting our aim, perhaps a little bullet magnetism is happening too...🤷♂
And that’s the point, the integrity of the whole thing, the spirit of competition and reasonably fair ply, falls apart.
@@MrVRVoice never noticed in original contractors and I use a gunstock and the sights a lot . I have missed by a hair plenty but if you say it’s there maybe I won’t notice in showdown either .
You know what I've seen every point you made play out and assumed I'm worse, sucks to know everybodys using a crutch or know this exists and doesn't use it
it's on by default
Makes no sense to me, why cheat in a system that allows you to use real skill to kick ass, VR should be about player skills....................I've not played showdowns yet
Truly annoying , this must have been some kind of mistake by the caveman devs ? , surly ?
They need to put a fix out asap
I played this game 12 hours straight, when it first came out, never again since it just pissed me off.
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Im calling it now but really believe AR and even passthru VR could bring aim assist to IRL. Like aiming in paintball and airsoft like robocop.
Imagine an exosuit forcing you to stay on target.
There are anti-tank missile launchers that we have with aim assist, but I have yet to see a regular gun with that capability.
Such high weapon smoothing as is adviced in the settings for aimbot feels bad to play with. But I might have to try this tounderstand if those chinese players just abuse this system or actually hack 🧐
Agreed, that high smoothing is just for the demonstration purpose and seeing clearly what it’s doing.
This needs to be fixed man.
wait, i can cheat in this game with aim assist??? i need to try it out
"only in effort for them
to remove it, if they got it, might as well use it to your own advantage... the devs promoted cheating not me"
🎩 indeed sir indeed
yea aim assist is a garbage feature for VR
Regular contractors mechanics was fine why is this different
To make it more noob friendly and keep player engagement high daily to create value for shareholders and to make profit 😊
Pretty sure they have aim assist in regular Contractors as well. To me the games play identically except for the longer time to kill in Showdown
I knew something was up when I was playing the beta and I was getting beamed. I was like there’s no way half these people are this good during a TEST. Now I know it’s AA lol. I ended up not even liking the game and never bought it.
That's because the majority of the people playing in the beta were comp players. You were actually just getting beamed.
If we're all cheating, then nobody's cheating.
Huge turn off from this game. Devs should remove this "feature"
I mean, youre probably right. But i have a very warm relationship with aim assist. I dont invest as much time into videogames as other people, even less with vr since im a weak little skeleton man. But i have never IN MY LIFE been matched with someone of equal skill in ANY videogame ive played.
It seems my skill level is in a perfect goldilocks zone of mediocrity that results in every confrontation being either trivial or oppressively difficult. My playstyle has evolved into cowering in corners and sneaking around, dying instantly if anyone gets a whiff of my position since every other player has the aim and precision of an intercontinental ballistic missile. And when i do get a lesser skilled player to play against i end up feeling bad for killing them so easily.
Perhaps this is an issue with me. After all, i believe if i achieved something it was easy, or the other player was playing really poorly. and if someone else achieved something it was because they were skilled, because from my perspective it was all effortless for them. I just cant shake it, its in my DNA. Aim assist does have a place however, at least in games where the enjoyment doesn't come solely from measuring skill. These days the only thing that seems to matter is your skill, so i understand the aversion to aim assist. Not saying it should be in every game either, that would ruin something like counter strike. Its just. there is a market for it. people who dont understand the sigma skill grindset like me.
No way bro just said he's a virgin
Contractors showdown is a fast paced game, you gotta use movement or you will get dunked on, you are trying to play it like a tactical shooter when it isn’t. It’s like trying to play COD or Apex Legends like a milsim, you gotta follow how the game is designed or you take Ls. If you refuse to accept that and want crutches like aim assist then that’s on you and any time you play, you’ll never get better. It’s really not difficult to get good at VR.
@@tea.edits.ae. Its seems you got the impression I play stupid. Truth is the only way i manage in lobbies with skilled players is by playing smart. My point was if i ever got into a fair 1v1 i would usually get instagibbed by the other player because they're a meat based aimbot. My playstyle has devolved into quickly dipping between cover or blindspots, then attacking from behind. That's my go to strat for titanfall 2, wall run or grapple somewhere unexpected, then ambush. Its the only way i can get a kill on a good player.
My problem is the skill gradient for these guys is totally busted, i never get a 1v1 that feels like we both couldve lost. So i guess i should just take the L and git good like you suggest. Why didnt i think of that?
@@Oiiiii Dammit, WHO TOLD YOU!
I should also add that I play a very large variety of games, but competitive ones make up a very tiny margin of those. Games like skate 3 ultrakill and skyrim are great examples of aim assist improving the gameplay experience.
imagine if you had to do the equivalent of a 180 quickscope every time you jump in super mario brothers. Wow! So much skill expression! but at what point is it just a bunch of precise button inputs. When do you get to start having fun? That just sounds like a grind to me.
This is starting to sound hostile... Have fun however you want to, I just wish I understood why you're having that fun.
Anyways, what is bro yapping about? skill issue fr fr
dude i have parkinson so am i not allowed to play this game
You're an outlier and, for obvious reasons, are not part of the target demographic. It sucks, but that's the reality of the situation and your fun shouldn't come at the expense of everyone else's. The end.
@@razztastic True, we need to get rid of color blind modes too, fuck those ablecells.
It doesn't change the fact that if one player is better than one another, the better player will win though.
The skill floor is just lower and so is skill ceiling. (As you mentioned, lower amount of skill expression)
People complain about aim assist the moment they added in Contractors VR but no one bat an eye when it Showdown because of huh duh bullet travel.
Personally, I wish it doesn't exist, globally nothing will change.
While Aim Assist is a valid concern for sure, it is hard to argue it can be 'unfair' if everyone has access to it. I never considered controller Halo matches unfair even if they had some aim assist tied to the input method, so I don't see a difference with VR.
My real concern does come into the flattening of player skill differences, but even then some minimal level is perfectly acceptable. It just seems like Contractors over-tuned a bit.
TL;DR I disagree this is 'currently' a big problem, but caution is important in this area to prevent it becoming a major problem in the future.
aim assist is a dog shit addition to EVERY PvP game its in.
Wack
Pavlov is better
Im fine with this
Casual shooters can exist, there are many many competitive shooters without this that can be enjoyed by the competitive market.
Casual players this way are not subject to the grinding tedium of being killed by 10k hour VR champs with VRChat GFs before seeing improvement or more likely quitting.
To say all competition is removed by aim assist is a little deceiving, you're distilling every part of the gameplay to a theoretical one on one where every factor is the same (guns, health etc) and the only deciding factor is the aim assist. Games are a measure of strategy as much as they are reflexes and good strategy in a battle royale can help win engagements (sometimes before the enemy even knows you're there) which is why the genre gained popularity all those years ago.
To make an appeal to emotion with the hypothetical where both players become friends because their mags are empty is extremely cringe and probably shouldn't have been included in the script. I understand why you included it, but it's too much of a reach. Most players would simply reload and shoot them anyway, ending the engagement.
At the end of the day whether you're using a controller, mouse, quest or index knuckles a computer is aiming for you, it is translating the most input it can get and thats as much as can be expected of it which for some people isn't enough for fun experience.
People don't want to be in VR for hours on end to git gud. People have emails to answer, calls to take, families to interact with. You cant do any of this without much difficulty in VR.
Let's not make an already difficult to introduce platform to regular people, even more exclusive. If the only place people can get casuao VR is Meta Horizons or some shit, zuckerberg wins.
Nah this is cap, you can easily get good at VR shooters with 5-10 hours of practice of the right thing. It’s just a massive lack of effort on the casual playerbase department. The way a battle royale has always been setup is that the best players win, so any BR you play whether it be on PC or VR, if you don’t put any effort in, you lose, that’s what makes them so rewarding when you do win because you know you’ve earned it, this aim assist just defeats the point of all of that, on a medium that quite frankly doesn’t need it because the controls are so intuitive and seamless.
“ you're distilling every part of the gameplay to a theoretical one on one where every factor is the same (guns, health etc) and the only deciding factor is the aim assist”
-_- No I’m not. Ugh, another boring, albeit, well-written rebuttal which looks decent on the surface but is just lazily taking points of the discussion to stupid extremes and then arguing against those extremes to prove your point.
“People don't want to be in VR for hours on end to git gud”.
What?? What are you implying by arguing this in relation to what I said? Are you also implying that anything without aim assist is not casual, or that players don’t care to apply themselves to the gameplay of the game they’ve chosen?
I don’t understand what you are basing this kind of response from.
“At the end of the day whether you're using a controller, mouse, quest or index knuckles a computer is aiming for you, it is translating the most input it can get and thats as much as can be expected of it which for some people isn't enough for fun experience.”
…what??? So because, our inputs are being translated…through a device…into a computer…this means…that we must accept it removing certain agencies from the player…because…???
I already pointed out why aim assist came to be from input limitations of controllers, limitations which are, provably, no longer a factor with motion control tracking in VR with the solutions already in place. So…what are you trying to press on with this paragraph exactly?
“Games are a measure of strategy as much as they are reflexes and good strategy in a battle royale can help win engagements (sometimes before the enemy even knows you're there) which is why the genre gained popularity all those years ago.”
Thanks, I had no idea that other elements beyond pointing and shooting contributed to one’s success. I clearly must come across as a guy who wouldn’t ever consider those things.
You’re not wrong, obviously, but the inclusion of unnecessary artificial assists when it comes down to the nitty gritty of combat can still sabotage the outcome of those other factors depending on the game design and, again, innumerable variables in play.
So yeah…not sure what else to say except repeat points from the video, as most of what you’re rebuking is your own straw-manning. “Causal shooters can exist,” -_- Implying I am against them from the get-go to set up your victory lap rebuke. So insincere, boring and tiresome.
Use all advantages given by game or suffer defeat no one plays fair
I'm a bloody noob in Battle Royal games. I never played it before. So Scobe Stab is 💯% okay to me 😹 *Hahahaha*
its not that deep
Saying everything "isn't that deep bro" has grown a bit lazy and cliche, don't you think? Many things are that deep, if you don't want to engage with the world, then go stare at a wall and drool into a cup.
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