It’s interesting, they actually digest their meal so slowly, that they usually die of starvation first. Which means that the hatchling has to wait it out for the supernova every single time they get eaten
What a cool category for this game. Death being so integral to the whole story of the game. It also requires you to end by beating the game in order to get that last unique way of dying. Whoever came up with this category, great job. Also this speedrun is amazing, a lot of extreme precision moves made here.
@@Quasar0406 the difference being at most 200 thousand years of evolution for the hearthians and around 300-400 million or so years of evolution for us, with the hearthian drowning around 20 times faster than an average human
This is exactly the kind of nihilistic depresso espresso the Nomai went out of their way to _prevent_ by ensuring the masks would only pair if the Eye was found or something broke. Also fun discovery about the "Lava" death: if you try to _Feldspar_ Hollow's Lantern (like 900m/s or faster), _you bounce off the lava while dying._
If and only if you [Observe] _before_ the sun goes supernova. Merely being at the Eye _or_ in the Memory Museum still counts as "being in the normal universe".
We used the different deaths as defined in the game files for this category. In the game files, certain deaths (burning in fire, electrocution, ghost matter, etc.) are all counted as the same type of death (HP loss).
@@ptminsker Interesting that ghost matter isn't considered its own death type, considering it _does_ unlock a new Slate dialogue option if you die while inside it, so there's clearly a check flag for it... -Also, why did you have to go to Giant's Deep and enter the water while leaving Gabbro's Island's air bubble to asphyxiate specifically? I would've assumed jumping down a geyser or out of your ship while suitless would count...- (wait, nvm, went back and watched, forgot you have to talk to them _twice_ in separate loops to unlock meditation)
The laws of physics of the Hearthian Universe are far different from our own (the tiny black holes in the warp cores should be *_Earth-mass_* at minimum with a gravity well to match, not to mention the lack of gravitational time dilation), allowing white holes to not only exist _at all,_ but in a _stable and traversable form._ The mathematical models of our universe don't _forbid_ white holes, it's just that the moment even a single photon tries to _traverse_ the wormhole, it collapses into a dead-end singularity...
What about death by electrocution? By the jellyfish or feldsprar’s ship? Or is that just considered hp loss? Also, why didn’t we actually see death by breaking the fabric of space-time? I thought that was the point of jumping into the black hole at ATP
23:16 OH THEY CHANGED IT!!! So, one by one, each of the Traveller's instruments go silent... BUT... th-cam.com/video/NFFjCUOE-gc/w-d-xo.htmlsi=yje1FSQvqPfUi08-&t=401 This is my video from a few years ago. Skip to 6:40 if it doesn't.
16:56 What is the reason for ending the meditation here? Intuitively, it seems like it'd be faster to meditate as long as possible to stop the speedrun timer from running for as long as possible before the supernova starts. Obviously I must be wrong.
Question, what's the difference between impact and HP loss? As far as I'm aware impact just kills you by reducing your HP but in this run you decided to also jump into the campfire even after falling or is the initial impact not considered a death by the game or something?
@@ptminsker Fair enough, the fact it reduced your HP made me assume the game would consider it the same thing but if it's different then there's no arguing it
@@ptminsker Ah, I'm guessing that answers why dying to the sun is called "Energy"? and the fact that "Black Hole" counts as a death, as well. I'm guessing it works that way internally for simplicity, even if it's not "actually" a death
For the "Energy" death, wouldn't it be better to sleep until the Sun is close to going Supernova, as it'd be bigger, therefore faster to reach? Or was that the only good timing in the loop where the ship aligned perfectly with the Sun?
@@ptminskerDid you figure that death out yourself or learn about it from other sources? I figured it out and I’ve never been prouder to be engulfed in a flaming fireball lol.
We unlock the meditation by seeing Gabbro for the 2nd time, there is a new dialogue option that appears and which allows us to meditate until the end of the loop. He took advantage of his first obligatory passage to drown himself
Why did you leave a minute or so on the clock for the 3 supernova deaths? Seems like if you had slept until right before it engulfed you a few minutes would have been saved.
Could you save time for time loop death by sleeping on the stranger, since you can keep sleeping after the supernova music starts playing? Or does the time it takes to reach the stranger make it not worth it?
@@ptminsker would it also be useful for supernova death? It seems like you could maybe scrape a few more seconds off of that even accounting for the time you need to travel back to the solar system
@@sebastiangrau8409 Not really, the stranger gets really far away from the solar system by the end of the loop. Besides, it's better to move talking to Gabbro the first time into that area instead.
@@NotBanned_ but the campfire timer doesn't go faster on better pics, right? It's got a speed it follows because of this issue and because of console gamers
Why did the timer stop after the dream explosion? It was only like 10 seconds but like, why tho? Are you not counting sleeping as part of your time? Also, isn't the speedrun missing Killed by an Owlin snapping your neck, being impaled by cacti, and the destruction of spacetime?
The timer _does_ stop during sleeping, which I believe is to level the playing field for consoles/PCs of various performance. The game actually simulates everything really fast during sleep, but with rendering turned off, and it's capped at a lower speed multiplier on console than PC (plus, if your PC is slow or lags that would affect the time as well). So the simplest way to account for the variation in time acceleration speed is to just not count it.
The paradox is an ending, hence why it's not a "death" as the game registers it. Ghost matter just kills you in the same vein as dying to the camp fire does.
We used all the unique deaths in the game's files to create the rules for this category, and in the game's files dying to ghost matter is considered the same as dying in the campfire (HP loss).
@@ptminsker that's a shame, really wanted to see ghost matter. Tho it probably would just add a few seconds + death animation to the speedrun since you can just die on the ghost matter bubble in the village.
they should considerate ghost matter and others death ways like exploding the ship or being electrocuted by jellyfish. It doesn’t make sense that they only respected the game’s files since there’s others types of death
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Wait why did it never occur to me that you can listen to all the instruments stop after the sun explodes,, that's so sad
you used to not be able to, they'd keep playing after getting engulfed. It was fixed at some point though
I didn’t realize what “Digestion” meant at first but as soon as he targeted Dark Bramble I knew.
It’s interesting, they actually digest their meal so slowly, that they usually die of starvation first. Which means that the hatchling has to wait it out for the supernova every single time they get eaten
@@wx7fm so basically you're just put into a penalty box until the supernova
"Oops. _Teeth."_
23:31
I never knew, they stop playing once the nova hits them, very grim but good attention to detail
I want to cry when I see that. That's the kind of detail we need so badly in games.
This was actually only added in an update at the end of 2021 when the DLC came out. Interesting how this inconsistency went unnoticed for years.
- wake up
- die in various and horrible different way
- dont elaborate further
-create a universe, also
37:14 Damn. A world record speedrun AND a perfectly cooked marshmallow? This Hearthian has everything.
I love how this run is basically just doing a bunch of extra stuff before capping it off with any%
14:20
Slate: oh hey, weren't you going to the shi- OH GOD WHA-
LMAO MY THOUGHTS TOO
What a cool category for this game. Death being so integral to the whole story of the game. It also requires you to end by beating the game in order to get that last unique way of dying. Whoever came up with this category, great job. Also this speedrun is amazing, a lot of extreme precision moves made here.
Kinda weird that he asphyxiates so fast, given that he's very close genetically to fishes
maybe it isnt the same kind of liquid
Maybe it’s so that speedrunners don’t have to waste time dying.
“Bro come on commit unlive already”
you're very close genetically to fishes
@@Quasar0406 the difference being at most 200 thousand years of evolution for the hearthians and around 300-400 million or so years of evolution for us, with the hearthian drowning around 20 times faster than an average human
@@Im_Not_Loss evolution runs faster in a world where days last 5 minutes hahahaha
This is exactly the kind of nihilistic depresso espresso the Nomai went out of their way to _prevent_ by ensuring the masks would only pair if the Eye was found or something broke.
Also fun discovery about the "Lava" death: if you try to _Feldspar_ Hollow's Lantern (like 900m/s or faster), _you bounce off the lava while dying._
I love but I HATE how good the sound design is in this game, especially for the asphyxiation wake-up and the crushing deaths x_X
Man I know you didn’t do it because of speedrunning, but it’s really sad to not see Solanum at the final camp fire
IKR, it's so lonely without her...
Secret moral of the game: Speedrunners are destroying civilization ; )
Surprised that quantum death isn't included.
@@EPICZEUS. That's technically an ending, not a death.
@@LawnMower_gaming1its not intelligence that solanum adds, thats already within the hearthians... im pretty sure what she adds is curiosity
I hate that 13:40
Such a visceral noise, so glad I never died like that
groundhog days depression arc
Lol fr
Never realized the test artifact existed in the lab, wish I had found it
Theres never speedruns that can benefit from my unique set of ski-
Is there like a mod or something that lets you skip/accelerate those death animations?
probably, but if you're wondering why his are so fast in this video, it's just because his lives are very short lul
So... if you go through the black hole, then beat the game on your next loop, it DOESN'T break the fabric of spacetime?
No more spacetime left to break
@@technobecian It'll be very wholesome if you do thar, both of you were in the campfire in the end
It’s funny how other you just watched you come in, steal the thing keeping the universe alive and then leave with no context
If and only if you [Observe] _before_ the sun goes supernova. Merely being at the Eye _or_ in the Memory Museum still counts as "being in the normal universe".
I'm a bit late to the party but shouldn't getting zapped by the electrical cables on the stranger count at a death?
We used the different deaths as defined in the game files for this category. In the game files, certain deaths (burning in fire, electrocution, ghost matter, etc.) are all counted as the same type of death (HP loss).
@@ptminsker Interesting that ghost matter isn't considered its own death type, considering it _does_ unlock a new Slate dialogue option if you die while inside it, so there's clearly a check flag for it... -Also, why did you have to go to Giant's Deep and enter the water while leaving Gabbro's Island's air bubble to asphyxiate specifically? I would've assumed jumping down a geyser or out of your ship while suitless would count...- (wait, nvm, went back and watched, forgot you have to talk to them _twice_ in separate loops to unlock meditation)
This might be my favorite speedrun category ever.
Wow, I never knew you could recreate the dream explosion yourself as the player. I wish we had a lore reason that happens
bro the lore reason is that you‘re using one of the two unsuccessful artefact prototypes it‘s literally how you do the dream explosion 😭
"ptminsker here, today we are speedrunning the destruction of the universe to get that tasty marshmallow"
Wtf I did not know about that hole in the stranger. This game is legit incredible.
14:23
"Velkommen to de hydraulic PRESS CHANNEL..."
i wonder if future humans will be able to use black holes as something
The laws of physics of the Hearthian Universe are far different from our own (the tiny black holes in the warp cores should be *_Earth-mass_* at minimum with a gravity well to match, not to mention the lack of gravitational time dilation), allowing white holes to not only exist _at all,_ but in a _stable and traversable form._ The mathematical models of our universe don't _forbid_ white holes, it's just that the moment even a single photon tries to _traverse_ the wormhole, it collapses into a dead-end singularity...
Can someone explain the signal scope usage at the very beginning of the run to me. I'm new to outer wilds speedruns
The signalscope is to get the right alignment to enter the geyser and get launched up to the launchpad
Couldn't you also use the water reservoir underneath the geysir on Timber Hearth to get the asphyxiation death?
Yes but you have to talk to Gabbro twice for meditation, and asphyxiation is just the easiest death to do near Gabbro.
What about death by electrocution? By the jellyfish or feldsprar’s ship? Or is that just considered hp loss?
Also, why didn’t we actually see death by breaking the fabric of space-time? I thought that was the point of jumping into the black hole at ATP
23:16
OH THEY CHANGED IT!!! So, one by one, each of the Traveller's instruments go silent...
BUT...
th-cam.com/video/NFFjCUOE-gc/w-d-xo.htmlsi=yje1FSQvqPfUi08-&t=401
This is my video from a few years ago. Skip to 6:40 if it doesn't.
16:56 What is the reason for ending the meditation here? Intuitively, it seems like it'd be faster to meditate as long as possible to stop the speedrun timer from running for as long as possible before the supernova starts. Obviously I must be wrong.
It automatically wakes you up when the music starts and doesn't let you go back to sleep
I think he missed reactor explosion death
What about dying by getting electrocuted from either the Jelly Fish or Giant's Deep's core?
Wouldn't the meditation count as Supernova death and the first dream death as HP loss?
nerd
yeah but if it's different in the game files he will do it so still counts
You forgot dead by breaking space/time the one from the trophy
That's not counted as a death, that is a Game Over, as defined by the game
why do you go to giants deep for the asphyxiation death instead of just jumping out of your ship without a suit?
We need to talk to Gabbro twice for the meditation death, and asphyxiation is the easiest death to do near Gabbro.
What about “Oof Ouch my Bones”?
"Crushed". Sounds like it, anyway
Question, what's the difference between impact and HP loss? As far as I'm aware impact just kills you by reducing your HP but in this run you decided to also jump into the campfire even after falling or is the initial impact not considered a death by the game or something?
In the games files they're considered 2 separate types of death.
@@ptminsker Fair enough, the fact it reduced your HP made me assume the game would consider it the same thing but if it's different then there's no arguing it
@@ptminsker Is that why Ghost Matter is also excluded from the list?
@@nathanoran5281 it’s just HP loss
@@ptminsker Ah, I'm guessing that answers why dying to the sun is called "Energy"? and the fact that "Black Hole" counts as a death, as well. I'm guessing it works that way internally for simplicity, even if it's not "actually" a death
Now imagine doing this all in one loop. Yep.
The fuck are you talking about
It really really really bugs me that an aquatic species can't breathe underwater....or even swim....
what about the death where you take the warp core and escape from the supernova? die from starvation i guess
For the "Energy" death, wouldn't it be better to sleep until the Sun is close to going Supernova, as it'd be bigger, therefore faster to reach? Or was that the only good timing in the loop where the ship aligned perfectly with the Sun?
If I slept longer, the death cutscene would be significantly longer, negating any timesave.
gg
8:00 what causes the fire to explode there? I never had that happen
That's from using the second prototype artifact, it's the reason there's a hull breach in that testing chamber.
@@ptminskerDid you figure that death out yourself or learn about it from other sources?
I figured it out and I’ve never been prouder to be engulfed in a flaming fireball lol.
Is it not faster to drown in space, or one of the geysers?
I think you have to talk to Gabbro twice on different loops in order to meditate. Might as well kill two stone with one bird.
@@payprice5487 ohh, I see that makes sense
You didn’t include the breaking soace-time death.
Breaking the space-time continuum doesn't count as death?
and the fall of a meteorite from a lava moon?
speeed
One there is one where u get chugged by the lift
Where’s ghost matter?
You forgot the death by Breaking Space-Time!
that’s an ending
@@chri-k isn't it also a death? Like he also plays the end of universe ending
@@armandsolermarti4349 i don’t think it’s a death either. this type speedrun category usually still wants you to complete the game at the end
@@chri-k huh. By definition though, the character is dying.
@@Arminecraft but the game has no reason to count it as a death, and it does indeed not do so.
is there a reason you do the asphyxiation part by drowning on giants deep rather than going out into space without the suit?
We unlock the meditation by seeing Gabbro for the 2nd time, there is a new dialogue option that appears and which allows us to meditate until the end of the loop. He took advantage of his first obligatory passage to drown himself
Many death as not here 2 Time breaking death , thé fall death why ?
Why did you leave a minute or so on the clock for the 3 supernova deaths? Seems like if you had slept until right before it engulfed you a few minutes would have been saved.
The game automatically wakes you up when the music starts and doesn't let you sleep again.
@@ptminskerIt’s actually a surprisingly handy feature… just… not for speedruns lol.
Are death by fire and death by dream fire and fire different?
Could you save time for time loop death by sleeping on the stranger, since you can keep sleeping after the supernova music starts playing? Or does the time it takes to reach the stranger make it not worth it?
Yes you can and that's one of the many new strats I will be implementing when I (eventually) run this category again.
@@ptminsker would it also be useful for supernova death? It seems like you could maybe scrape a few more seconds off of that even accounting for the time you need to travel back to the solar system
@@sebastiangrau8409 Not really, the stranger gets really far away from the solar system by the end of the loop. Besides, it's better to move talking to Gabbro the first time into that area instead.
Why does resting at a campfire pause the timer?
I’d assume it’s to give everyone equal footing. Having a better PC = the campfire time going faster. Nobody wants a pay to win speedrun.
@@NotBanned_ but the campfire timer doesn't go faster on better pics, right? It's got a speed it follows because of this issue and because of console gamers
@@TZAR_POTATO it has a max, but if your computer is slower it goes slows
What causes the Dream Explosion stuff? I've never seen that
Sleeping with the second prototype artifact, it's the reason there's a hull breach in the testing lab.
@@ptminsker Oh goddamn, that's pretty dark. I haven't properly finished the DLC, but I did get in the hull breach. Sheesh. Thanks for the answer!
Why did the timer stop after the dream explosion? It was only like 10 seconds but like, why tho? Are you not counting sleeping as part of your time?
Also, isn't the speedrun missing Killed by an Owlin snapping your neck, being impaled by cacti, and the destruction of spacetime?
No, this speedruns just uses the different types of deaths found in the files. If it’s not included there, it’s not in the run.
@@NotBanned_Oh.
The timer _does_ stop during sleeping, which I believe is to level the playing field for consoles/PCs of various performance. The game actually simulates everything really fast during sleep, but with rendering turned off, and it's capped at a lower speed multiplier on console than PC (plus, if your PC is slow or lags that would affect the time as well). So the simplest way to account for the variation in time acceleration speed is to just not count it.
Wait can u just sleep while the suns exploding?
37:00
No Solanum ::'(
the game doesn’t track electrocution?
5:19 WTF where the hell is this? I never found this place.
That’s the stranger in come the DLC
@@LazyEdits1997 Oh thank god, I thought I was just _really bad_ at exploring for a minute there
@@RipleySawzen it’s ok
Why death by paradox and death by ghost matter are missing?
death by ghost matter is HP Loss, what’s death by paradox?
The paradox is an ending, hence why it's not a "death" as the game registers it. Ghost matter just kills you in the same vein as dying to the camp fire does.
Get out the ship on the Space whitout the suit?
Let stranger’s habitants break your neck
I think you forgoted that ways to die…
That's asphyxiation, which I did by drowning on Giant's Deep.
@@ptminsker but it’s not the same thing :/
@@Martin-nh6br It is in the game's files, which is what we used to base this category off of.
Is there a special way to do the supernova death? Or could you just sleep and then wake up when it’s about to hit you?
You can't sleep past when the music starts, it automatically wakes you up.
Ghost matter isn't on here
We used all the unique deaths in the game's files to create the rules for this category, and in the game's files dying to ghost matter is considered the same as dying in the campfire (HP loss).
@@ptminsker ghost matter is solely responsible for [redacted] but doesn’t earn its own place as a death file category. What a time to be [redacted]
@@ptminsker that's a shame, really wanted to see ghost matter. Tho it probably would just add a few seconds + death animation to the speedrun since you can just die on the ghost matter bubble in the village.
they should considerate ghost matter and others death ways like exploding the ship or being electrocuted by jellyfish. It doesn’t make sense that they only respected the game’s files since there’s others types of death
@@eduardodestri7058 I kinda think it is tied to different dying animations/sounds
What about ghost matter?
that’s HP loss
That moment in the run when you've been playing for more than 21 minutes and the timer still says 14:41
It's because of when you doze off they pause the timer because dozing off is faster/slower depending on hardware.
@@lbjworm No shit
@@lbjworm I was curious about that. Thank you for the clarity
9:00 i thoght you were going to go to de dark hole of britle hollow to ges tu dark bramble faster
These deaths seem so arbitrarily decided?
He's using the different deaths as defined in the game files
Super nova is unnecessary since that's what you already die to when you meditate.
The category is made by the deaths listed in the game's code. Meditation is distinct from actually experiencing the supernova in the files.
What about ghost matter?
that counts as HP Loss
What about ghost matter?
What about ghost matter?