The ultrasonic driver probably separated from the tank (or just failed completely) because you had a large metal item sitting *directly* on the bottom of the tank, which is a huge “no no”… that’s using why ‘some’ kind of basket is mandatory!
You’ve probably already found this out, but the metal tank and the plastic top of the sonic cleaner are not sealed. So, when your fluid level is up to or above the plastic top (as it was in your case) the fluid gets inside the unit and fries the electronic components. The fluid level doesn’t need to go above the marked “max” line etched into the tub.
You are wasting tons of evaporust. Fill the ultrasonic cleaner with hot water. Put parts to be cleaned in ziplock plastic freezer bags and add evaporust to the bag. You only need a fraction of what you are using by filling the tank wit evaporust. Good vid matey. I enjoyed watching.
The tank is small as shit, what purpose would that serve? Everything he cleaned in the video wouldn't even fit in a bag. Now if it was like a 10L tank then yea okay I get it for small bolts and parts.
You don't "waste" the Evaporust anyway, since it's no thrown away after each batch. If each 100ml removes a certain amount of rust, then the more of it you use, the more parts can be cleaned and the longer you can use that batch.
Fill the ultrasonic cleaner with water then insert the container of tools plus evaporust in the water bath. The ultrasound will penetrate into the evaporust container to clean the parts and you don’t need to worry about cleaning or dumping the ultrasonic tub afterwards since it stays as clean water. This way there is no mess.
Just got a HF ultrasonic cleaner but honestly the channel locks on the table next to the needlenose pliers caught my eye. I was cleaning up my stepdads shop and found an identical pair.
In the UK these chisels are know as pitchers or pitching chisels. They originate from stonemasons tools for creating a 'pitched face' on quarried stone quickly and easily, the stonemasons version is much heavier and more robust than the examples here. I have both and use them quite frequently. They work by effectively bumping the waste material away from the desired face of the stone, making best use of the energy and shockwave from the tool to remove the excess material and create the desired shape.
Use clear silicone in the crack between the stainless bowl and plastic. When you dumped it, water probably went into the crack and straight onto the circuit board. #1 failure in this unit.
The tips or working edge of Heat treated tools is what you probably observed. A heat treated edge will tend to be localized in a specific area and darker. I do a fair amount of evaporust restoration. Good vid. Here's something to try... After you take those tools outta the evaporust, wash with dish soap, dry, and hit all edges with a wire wheel.....then spray with Bosheild......it'll be huge difference than stopping after pulling out of the evaporust. I've done a video on this. Cheers. Another FYI..... it'll eat away the pre painted embossing that is used on tools like numbers, increment markings, ECT.
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Hi Mike. Great video...lots of helpful info. I was skeptical of the quantity of rust that a gallon would remove. Even though they over rate the amount it looks like it did a good job. That is a sweet vise. Be safe. Cheers
Before you learn the hard lesson. Never place pieces being clean in direct contact with the bottom of the Ultra Sonic Cleaner. Will cause blow out of the tank. It is called cavitation.
Yeah, laying parts directly on ultrasonic cleaner transducers is a Bozo no no. The cool thing is everyone who watched this vlog got a free lesson. As is said, it is better to learn by others mistakes than by making them yourself.
Cool beans 🙃 I have the same cleaner you have there & I have never used it. Harbor Freight has a bigger one, just a little bigger but nicer you have inspired me to try mine one of these days
Great video, I think if you run a 3rd test with heated evaporust solution instead of the ultrasonic cleaner your result would be pretty simular, remember chemistry 101 for every ten degrees Celsius increase your chemical reaction will increase by 100%. The one thing about the ultrasonic cleaner is that it will move the reactant material away from the iron object making it work better. When you use evaporust without an ultrasonic cleaner you must remove the reactant material with a steel brush to make it work faster.
Thanks for the video. I was wondering if I could use evaporust in conjunction with an ultrasonic cleaner and now I know. Also there are some good comments in the comments section.
This cheaper but takes longer De-rust 100ml dist water 5gm EDTA citric acid to buffer to 6.5 Buncha drops of soap It did loosen some set screws that I'd thought I was going to need to drill. I think the soak with or without, ultrasonic, would do best in joints and threads. I used the homemade stuff in the ultrasonic. I'd only expect the VapoRust to work better.
The biggest mistake I saw was that you let the metal touch each other, i'm pretty sure the bounce the metal to metal does is what broke that thing. I would imagine its like firing a gun in an echo chamber, your ears are the vibration things. Evaporust does a very good job, though it makes things sticky after so wash it off. It also dissolves spray paint.
It didn't break. It short-circuited because he slopped a heap of fluid down between the tank and the casing. The machine is simply full of (water-based) liquid with a ton of chemicals in it that make the liquid highly conductive. Open, wash, clean, dry, fixed.
@@whobuddywantsit mechanical. the transducers are attached to the bottom of the tank so you dont want things directly coupled to them. you want them suspended in the water. it may or may not have influenced the malfunction you showed later in the video
Molasses work well but are slow. I soak tubs of rusty new-old-stock nuts and bolts in molasses (1:7 molasses/water ratio) for a week at least at room temperature, no rush, less expense - works well.
Did you even read the instructions to your ultrasonic cleaner? Parts should never touch the bottom of the tank. This will drastically suppress the creation of vapor bubbles that do the cleaning.
I use citric acid instead of evaporust now. it smells the same as evaporust, so I am pretty sure that's what it is. smells the same new and after it's removed rust, and it works the same. much much cheaper though. you can get it on amazon or any biodiesel supply place.
Try Suspending heavy items from a frame NOT FIXED TO THE UNIT so there is no contact with the sides or bottom of the cleaner or tank, contact with the tank supresses the ultrasonics and eventually destroy the unit, Heating helps heaps, You can even use Gasoline or many solvent's but be warned NEVER exceed !#"60centigrade"#! best to keep it around 50-55c or below the flash point of the solvents in a well ventilated area out side in the open is best,and stay away from fumes some could be extremely unhealthy, I NEVER use the baskets small items go in to plastic Peanut butter jars with degreser or what ever and just float the jars 90% submerged in plain water in the tank works fine and saves lots of otherwise wasted cleaning solvents. There re plenty of other tips doos and dont's on line, Cant wait for Laser cleaners to get a lot cheaper totally unbeatable for cleaning. Best Regard's
Not keen on the idea of petrol with the potential for tiny sparks inside, under the tank or in the switches, big boom and serious burns territory. I use white (clear) vinegar in small plastic yoghurt pots stood in water in the tank to clean carburettor jets etc. White so you can see the muck coming off.
Evapo Rust is superb.
Ultrasonic derusting is fantastic.
TOGETHER, they are a game changer!
The ultrasonic driver probably separated from the tank (or just failed completely) because you had a large metal item sitting *directly* on the bottom of the tank, which is a huge “no no”… that’s using why ‘some’ kind of basket is mandatory!
You’ve probably already found this out, but the metal tank and the plastic top of the sonic cleaner are not sealed. So, when your fluid level is up to or above the plastic top (as it was in your case) the fluid gets inside the unit and fries the electronic components. The fluid level doesn’t need to go above the marked “max” line etched into the tub.
You are wasting tons of evaporust. Fill the ultrasonic cleaner with hot water. Put parts to be cleaned in ziplock plastic freezer bags and add evaporust to the bag. You only need a fraction of what you are using by filling the tank wit evaporust. Good vid matey. I enjoyed watching.
That's a great tip. I need to try that out! Thanks!!
The tank is small as shit, what purpose would that serve? Everything he cleaned in the video wouldn't even fit in a bag. Now if it was like a 10L tank then yea okay I get it for small bolts and parts.
You don't "waste" the Evaporust anyway, since it's no thrown away after each batch. If each 100ml removes a certain amount of rust, then the more of it you use, the more parts can be cleaned and the longer you can use that batch.
Fill the ultrasonic cleaner with water then insert the container of tools plus evaporust in the water bath. The ultrasound will penetrate into the evaporust container to clean the parts and you don’t need to worry about cleaning or dumping the ultrasonic tub afterwards since it stays as clean water. This way there is no mess.
Just got a HF ultrasonic cleaner but honestly the channel locks on the table next to the needlenose pliers caught my eye. I was cleaning up my stepdads shop and found an identical pair.
Yeah those are some good ones.
I use a cheesecloth and strain the ultrasonic solution into a container. Great idea to mark the level to add water later.
The "chisel item" is commonly referred to as a brick set. It is used to break a brick at a predetermined location to make it fit in the desired spot.
In the UK these chisels are know as pitchers or pitching chisels. They originate from stonemasons tools for creating a 'pitched face' on quarried stone quickly and easily, the stonemasons version is much heavier and more robust than the examples here. I have both and use them quite frequently. They work by effectively bumping the waste material away from the desired face of the stone, making best use of the energy and shockwave from the tool to remove the excess material and create the desired shape.
Preheat the fluid before operating the cleaner. It takes 10-15 minutes for the ultrasonic cleaner to get the fluid up to temp.
Thanks for the tip!
Use clear silicone in the crack between the stainless bowl and plastic. When you dumped it, water probably went into the crack and straight onto the circuit board. #1 failure in this unit.
Great tip. Thanks!
The tips or working edge of Heat treated tools is what you probably observed. A heat treated edge will tend to be localized in a specific area and darker. I do a fair amount of evaporust restoration. Good vid. Here's something to try... After you take those tools outta the evaporust, wash with dish soap, dry, and hit all edges with a wire wheel.....then spray with Bosheild......it'll be huge difference than stopping after pulling out of the evaporust. I've done a video on this. Cheers. Another FYI..... it'll eat away the pre painted embossing that is used on tools like numbers, increment markings, ECT.
I'll have to try that out. Never heard of Bosheild, where can you get it? Sorry just saw the message.
I found it: Boeshield T-9 Rust Protector boeshield.com/products/
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I see it takes a while so I will reply here later when my account password hopefully is recovered.
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Use the plastic strainer thingy that it came with. Otherwise you will damage the bottom of the tank. Ask how I know.
I think I figured that out also! Lol
Hi Mike. Great video...lots of helpful info. I was skeptical of the quantity of rust that a gallon would remove. Even though they over rate the amount it looks like it did a good job. That is a sweet vise. Be safe. Cheers
Joe's Shop thanks!
HF coupon works for gallon size Evaporust. Filter your solution through a paper paint strainer add a little water and reuse. Good video
Great tip! I'll have to try it
Before you learn the hard lesson. Never place pieces being clean in direct contact with the bottom of the Ultra Sonic Cleaner. Will cause blow out of the tank. It is called cavitation.
Thanks for the tip. It's like pump cavitation?
@@whobuddywantsit exactly
Yes
Yeah, laying parts directly on ultrasonic cleaner transducers is a Bozo no no. The cool thing is everyone who watched this vlog got a free lesson. As is said, it is better to learn by others mistakes than by making them yourself.
fill tank with water then place tools in gallon freezer ziploc with couple ounces of cleaner
Cool beans 🙃 I have the same cleaner you have there & I have never used it. Harbor Freight has a bigger one, just a little bigger but nicer you have inspired me to try mine one of these days
Great video, I think if you run a 3rd test with heated evaporust solution instead of the ultrasonic cleaner your result would be pretty simular, remember chemistry 101 for every ten degrees Celsius increase your chemical reaction will increase by 100%. The one thing about the ultrasonic cleaner is that it will move the reactant material away from the iron object making it work better. When you use evaporust without an ultrasonic cleaner you must remove the reactant material with a steel brush to make it work faster.
You can get a plastic tote and sit on a vibrating back or neck massager for bigger parts
Very cool will have to try it out.
what to put on the items to stop from rusting after clean, I mean for long term rust prevention?
I've been thinking that the ultrasonic would likely be good for getting into threads and the joints is jointed tools.
Cool video man! I know of the product. Just never tried. I’ll give it a shot.
Yep good stuff! Get the 5 gallon bucket though
Some kind of galvanising perhaps zinc would be great here
Will have to try that out!
Thanks for the video. I was wondering if I could use evaporust in conjunction with an ultrasonic cleaner and now I know. Also there are some good comments in the comments section.
This cheaper but takes longer De-rust
100ml dist water
5gm EDTA
citric acid to buffer to 6.5
Buncha drops of soap
It did loosen some set screws that I'd thought I was going to need to drill. I think the soak with or without, ultrasonic, would do best in joints and threads.
I used the homemade stuff in the ultrasonic. I'd only expect the VapoRust to work better.
I like how you described how Evaporust works. Do you coat derusted tools with anything to stop rerusting before resale?
WD 40
The biggest mistake I saw was that you let the metal touch each other, i'm pretty sure the bounce the metal to metal does is what broke that thing. I would imagine its like firing a gun in an echo chamber, your ears are the vibration things.
Evaporust does a very good job, though it makes things sticky after so wash it off. It also dissolves spray paint.
It didn't break. It short-circuited because he slopped a heap of fluid down between the tank and the casing. The machine is simply full of (water-based) liquid with a ton of chemicals in it that make the liquid highly conductive.
Open, wash, clean, dry, fixed.
Pine sol works great also and it’s cheaper
Dishwasher tablets also.
Australian prices $74 usd 4 ltr
did you have apply any heat temperature on the evaporust liquid with your ultrasonic cleaner ?
It has a built in heater.
What else would you use an off & on switch for no explanation needed.
Wire brush on a motor , done in one tenth the time !
Wet fingers pushing non waterproof buttons on your ultrasonic cleaner = electrical short. Good thing you were using a GFI
When you dumped the solution maybe you should have strained it thru cheesecloth?
you dont want your parts touching the sides of the cleaner, it will damage it over time. keep things in the basket.
Gotcha! Thanks for the tip. Is there a specific reason on why to keep them off the side? Electrical or mechanical conduction?
@@whobuddywantsit mechanical. the transducers are attached to the bottom of the tank so you dont want things directly coupled to them. you want them suspended in the water. it may or may not have influenced the malfunction you showed later in the video
There is a replacement rack available on amazon for $18.99. The replacement rack is full height.
Maybe use a siphon tube to drain.
Who cares how it works 💪 it works good 👍 👌
How does this little $50 20W unit compare to a $600 720W cleaner?
It will be a LOT cheaper...
You van get what looks like a much better ultrasonic cleaner on ebay for cheaper and for your bigger needs you xan get pretty big ones
Well it's a chemical reaction so obviously heat should make it happen faster and I'm sure Is agitation doesn't hurt
I'm going be trying that with molasses.
Molases will smell like baby diapers in a few days.
Molasses work well but are slow. I soak tubs of rusty new-old-stock nuts and bolts in molasses (1:7 molasses/water ratio) for a week at least at room temperature, no rush, less expense - works well.
Surely the remove rate should be based surface area not poundage??
No, since it's a chemical process it relates directly to the amount of rust that it "converts".
The parameter refers to "pounds of rust being removed from items", not the weight of the items treated...
I can see grease goes away with heat but don't see for rust.
Improves the chemical process.
Cold chisels are not for lathes.
you are correct
Did you even read the instructions to your ultrasonic cleaner? Parts should never touch the bottom of the tank. This will drastically suppress the creation of vapor bubbles that do the cleaning.
I use citric acid instead of evaporust now. it smells the same as evaporust, so I am pretty sure that's what it is. smells the same new and after it's removed rust, and it works the same. much much cheaper though. you can get it on amazon or any biodiesel supply place.
Is g to here a solution percentage you buy? Anything more specific than just “citric acid”? Thanks!
Good info but it was just way too long for the content. I skipping ahead to get to the meat.
Yeah I’m trying to get them down much shorter now.
First
THanks!!!
Whobuddy... No reply, bye Whobuddy
Sorry man just saw this. Checked out your channel cool stuff. Following you on Facebook.
A lot of filler content.
Try Suspending heavy items from a frame NOT FIXED TO THE UNIT so there is no contact with the sides or bottom of the cleaner or tank, contact with the tank supresses the ultrasonics and eventually destroy the unit, Heating helps heaps, You can even use Gasoline or many solvent's but be warned NEVER exceed !#"60centigrade"#! best to keep it around 50-55c or below the flash point of the solvents in a well ventilated area out side in the open is best,and stay away from fumes some could be extremely unhealthy, I NEVER use the baskets small items go in to plastic Peanut butter jars with degreser or what ever and just float the jars 90% submerged in plain water in the tank works fine and saves lots of otherwise wasted cleaning solvents. There re plenty of other tips doos and dont's on line, Cant wait for Laser cleaners to get a lot cheaper totally unbeatable for cleaning. Best Regard's
Not keen on the idea of petrol with the potential for tiny sparks inside, under the tank or in the switches, big boom and serious burns territory. I use white (clear) vinegar in small plastic yoghurt pots stood in water in the tank to clean carburettor jets etc. White so you can see the muck coming off.