THE HERD | Colin Cowherd SHOCKED, Zach Wilson Beating Out Bo Nix As Denver Broncos Starter | NFL
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- THE HERD | Colin Cowherd SHOCKED, Zach Wilson Beating Out Bo Nix As Denver Broncos Starter | NFL
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Zack Wilson played with the all time worst offensive lines in football. No QB in the NFL would have been successful behind 3 years with the Jets junior college offensive Line!!
It’s a fair point
Let's just look at 2022 shall we?
- Titans 32nd ranked oline
Qb- Ryan Tannehill
12 starts
65.2% completions
211.3 pass yards per game
13 tds
6 ints
94.6 passer rating
- Jets 31st ranked oline
Qb- Zach Wilson
9 starts
54.5% completions
187.6 pass yards per game
6 tds
7 ints
72.8 passer rating
- Giants 30th ranked oline
Qb- Daniel Jones
16 starts
67.2% completions
200.3 pass yards per game
15 tds
5 ints
92.5 passer rating
- Saints 29th ranked oline
Qb- Andy Dalton
14 starts
66.7% completions
205.1 pass yards per game
18 tds
9 ints
95.2 passer rating
- Bengals 28th ranked oline
Qb- Joe Burrow
16 starts
68.3% completions
279.7 pass yards per game
35 tds
12 ints
100.8 passer rating
That's the 5 worst olines in the nfl from 2022 and guess which qb was the only qb to be AWFUL behind those bad olines??? (This is where you shift blame from the oline to something else in an attempt to excuse how poorly Wilson performed)
@AdamB34 most of those QBs had more experience than Wilson. Burrow is top 5 in the league and had 3 very good to great wrs not sure thats a fair comparison. It's like saying why doesn't every rookie QB play as good as Stroud, and Burrow as rookies. Not defending Zach but I'm sure there's wayyyy more QBs who suffered behind a terrible oline than had good or better seasons. How was Tannehills season this past year? How was Dalton with the Bears? How about Daniel Jones season?
@@pauliej345 you're deflecting and the o.p LITERALLY said NO QB IN THE NFL CAN PLAY WELL BEHIND A HORRIBLE OLINE. Pretty sure I proved that wrong very thoroughly. Do you need more proof? Ok...
- 2021 Dolphins 32nd ranked oline
Qb- Tua
67.8% completions
16 tds
10 ints
204.1 pass yards per game
90.1 passer rating
- 2021 Raiders 28th ranked oline
Qb- Carr
68.4% completions
23 tds
14 ints
282.6 pass yards per game
94.0 passe rating
- 2021 Falcons 27th ranked oline
Qb- Ryan
67% completions
20 tds
12 ints
233.4 pass yards per game
90.4 passer rating
Zach Wilson behind bad olines was HISTORICALLY BAD while countless qbs played pretty well or were elite behind bad olines. Stop pretending the difference between Wilson being the worst starting qb in the nfl for 3 years and being good was a better oline lol
I’m a die hard broncos fan. All the local media would say Zach has the biggest arm but they would also say he’s been the 3rd best QB by a decent margin in the offseason program.
I can see that!
@anthonytchida4069 - If Geno Smith can go from a mid-level backup to a starting calibur QB in Seattle, I would think that Zach Wilson in the new system could put up 3,800 yards and 25 TD.
@@thechannel2398one thing has literally absolutely nothing to do with the other. By your logic any terrible qb can be a pro bowler by merely changing teams
Colin's always stunned when his predictions don't come true, which is frequent
lol I think he has been accurate about Bo
This report is a pure lie
Zach Wilson will not play at all this year barring injury lmao.
How did his prediction not come true exactly?
"A top 5 backup" means hes ranked 37th in the league. I'm excited for Zach, if he tears it up, good for him. If he wins the starting job good for him. I just want a good QB!
I think Bo Nix is the future for the broncos.
That's not really true tho. A team's backup could be better than several other team's starters and a team's starter can be worse than several other team's backup
@@AdamB34 yes....but....not....by.....much. If someone is seen as better than ANY starter on a team, thats when they get signed or traded to that team. But the best backup in the NFL isn't better than 30.
@@theendistheend123😂😂😂😂... that's absolutely and unequivocally false. Jordan Love was a back up for 3 years then was a top 10 qb last year. Geno Smith was a back up for like a decade then made a pro bowl. Those guys were both better than plenty of starters even when they were backups.
@@AdamB34 NO its not "unequivocally" false. Its MOSTLY true. There are outliers, and they are usually someone who was drafted high and is being GROOMED. Just like Love. And Geno sucks. He got in a FAR better situation in Seattle, so his numbers are inflated a little. But he IS NOT their future.
Oh wow a very high 1st round pick who was on a leash his hole time in New York while coming into his 3 year in the nfl is beating out a guy who had no business getting selected as high as he did… shocking 😭
Nothing you said is accurate.
@@JWLSports everything he said is accurate. clown channel
@@JWLSports - "Wilson was a very high first round pick"... accurate, he was the 2nd pick of the draft
- "He was on a leash in New York"... accurate. They ran a very vanilla offense with him and couldn't run many complex plays because he's terrible
- "Wilson is coming into year 3"... fairly accurate but off by one year, he's coming into year 4
- "Nix had no business getting selected as high as he did"... fairly accurate. He was rated as a late 1st eary 2nd round prospect but like most early round qbs he went to a desperate team that was willing to reach for whatever decent qb was still available
- "It's not shocking Wilson is currently beating out Nix"... accurate. The veteran almost always looks better early on than the rookie
Zach Wilson played really well last year with Jets. The Jets were so bad it wasnt even funny. He had so many plays last year that he made a great lay and converted great plays but would get dropped or called back for something the oline or WR's did. It was painful to watch. Wilson looked like easily the top 2 or 3 player on the Jets last year on offense. He had games carrying the Jets. Dont be surprised if Wilson shocks people this year.
Saying be played really well is a bit of a stretch. Lol
@JWLSports he obviously wasn't top 10 level but he looked pretty good if you watched the games. I'm assuming your not a Jet fan so your prob listening to espn and the stat sheet but if you can watch full games from last year and you'll see. That saod his 1st 2 years sucked lol
@@pauliej345ah yes, the old "stats don't matter" routine. Always the go to argument for people trying to defend horrible players with terrible stats 😂😂😂. Your definition of "playing really well" is being 30th in completion%, 30th in td%, 30th in passer rating, 27th in yards per game and 32nd in QBR. Oh but none of that is relevant because you "watch games" 🤦🤷😆😆
@AdamB34 stats say russel wilson was 9th in tds and 8th in QB rating, and 12th in highest cmp% if you count Rudolph, Browning, and Mullens. If you don't he's 9th. So are you saying Wilson was a top 10 QB last year or does the tape show different??? Can't have it both ways
@@pauliej345 there is no "tape" that exists that says Zach Wilson "played really well" last year and made tons of "great plays" and "carried the Jets" and "looked pretty good" 😆😆😆... you're literally just making things up and then saying "but don't research any of this or look at literally any stats, just trust me" 🤦😆
It will be interesting to see how things actually play out with Zach because this is technically year 1 for him, and I don’t need to explain why.
Nope, it's year 4. Whatever lame excuse you're formulating in your head is invalid. The rest of the Jets team was getting better and other young players like Garrett Wilson, Sauce Gardner and Breece Hall are borderline superstars already and the defense is elite. Zach was pretty much the only one that never got even slightly better
@@AdamB34he had no steady O line and when things were looking good he had great games
@@jxiro2 Let's just look at 2022 shall we?...
- Titans 32nd ranked oline
Qb- Ryan Tannehill
12 starts
65.2% completions
211.3 pass yards per game
13 tds
6 ints
94.6 passer rating
- Jets 31st ranked oline
Qb- Zach Wilson
9 starts
54.5% completions
187.6 pass yards per game
6 tds
7 ints
72.8 passer rating
- Giants 30th ranked oline
Qb- Daniel Jones
16 starts
67.2% completions
200.3 pass yards per game
15 tds
5 ints
92.5 passer rating
- Saints 29th ranked oline
Qb- Andy Dalton
14 starts
66.7% completions
205.1 pass yards per game
18 tds
9 ints
95.2 passer rating
- Bengals 28th ranked oline
Qb- Joe Burrow
16 starts
68.3% completions
279.7 pass yards per game
35 tds
12 ints
100.8 passer rating
That's the 5 worst olines in the nfl from 2022 and guess which qb was the only qb to be AWFUL behind those bad olines??? A decent qb can at least be average behind a bad oline. Wilson was the worst qb in the nfl. A better oline isn't the difference between being HISTORICALLY BAD and being good 😂
Stiddy is ahead right now because of his familiarity with the offense. I predict Bo comes back from the break and knows the offense like the back of his hand. He'll show in camp that he's ready to start.
Definitely quite possible!
And you know all this how?
@@AdamB34 The local reporters have reported Stidham, with his year of experience in the system, looking like the best guy in OTAs and mini-camp. I'm basing my prediction about Bo on his football mind and drive to succeed. He's the son of a coach, has had multiple new offenses to learn, apparently did a good job on his pro day when the Broncos gave him plays to learn and 24 hours or less to learn them. He's mature by all reports, so unlike Zach Wilson who held out his rookie season with the Jets, I think Bo will cover all his bases and be as prepared as he can be.
@@rluellamfirst, Zach Wilson never held out at any point. 2nd, you don't know anything about Bo Nix's drive or football mind lol. Literally every highly touted qb gets those things said about him. You don't know if they're true or just the team/local media praising their first round pick qb
Are you familiar with what Bo Nix did when he played for Bryan Harsin at Auburn?
Why is it hard to believe that Zach Wilson can’t beat out BO nix. He’s more worthy of a 1st rd pick off of talent alone ahead of Bo Nix
hahahahaha
If Zach Wilson was plopped into the 2024 draft after the last 3 years there's no way he'd go as high as Nix lol. Wilson is a know commodity and he's arguably the worst qb in the nfl. Who is going to spend a 1st round pick on a guy you KNOW is trash?
@@AdamB34 It's easy to create deceptive scenarios by altering a player's development trajectory or ignoring context. I'll prove it using your own logic.
If Bo Nix were in the 2022 draft coming out after three seasons at Auburn like Jarrett Stidham did, he would not have been drafted at all, or at best might have been a late round 6th or 7th round pick. Nix was ordinary his sophmore year, then regressed as a junior when he played for new Auburn coach Bryan Harsin. In fact, Nix was benched by Harsin when he struggled in the pro style offense that Harsin brought in. Harsin is known to coach hard, which former Broncos QB Brett Rypien admitted, but Rypien also said he was the most influential coach he had ever had when he played for him at Boise State. Nix didn't wait around to see if Harsin could make him better. He immediately bolted to Oregon, following his former OC Kenny Dillingham who was running the same gimicky spread offense concepts he was familiar with from his freshman year. Nix called his one season in Harsin's pro style offense which included operating at times under center "a nightmare". He even went so far as to claim that his love for the game diminished as a result of playing for him.
See how easy that was? All I had to do was separate Nix from his final two seasons at Auburn & put him in exactly the SAME context that Bronco fans are using to diss Jarrett Stidham. In point of fact, Nix's ability to read NFL defenses is in doubt, since he's never had to do that in college. ALL of his success has been playing in a system that is exceptionally poor for developing college QBs for the NFL.
Now...what would happen if we put Nix in the same draft alongside Zach Wilson with him having only 3 years of college work at Auburn like Wilson had at BYU? Wilson would have still gone near the top of the draft because he was drafted mainly on his physical measurables. Nix would have gone at least 5 or 6 rounds later. Playing two full years extra at Oregon behind one of the best O-lines in the country with NFL quality talent at the skill positions did wonders for Nix's draft stock.
@@MarkLewis-l3f 🤣🤣🤣🤣... what are you babbling about? I didn't say anything about Jarrett Stidham or coming out of college lol. I said after 3 years of ZACH WILSON being the worst qb IN THE NFL there's no way he would be a top 12 pick in the 2024 nfl draft if he was in it knowing how awful he's been IN THE NFL his ENTIRE NFL CAREER. He's a known scrub. He's a known terrible qb. He's a known historically bad nfl qb lol. Who is going to draft a qb who has been HISTORICALLY BAD FOR 3 YEARS in the top 12 of the draft? Who would pass up a top qb prospect in round 1 to draft the worst qb in the nfl knowing he's the worst qb in the nfl? We ALREADY KNOW how bad Wilson is. It's not a mystery. There's no way possible aby team would spend a top 12 pick ON A QB THEY KNOW FOR A FACT HAS BEEN HISTORICALLY BAD IN THE NFL 🤣🤣🤣
Now... addressing your college player nonsense... go find me one example of a qb being the worst qb in college for their entire 3 year college career and getting drafted in round 1. Let's see all these examples homie. I'll wait...
@@AdamB34 Believe it or not, I don't need to limit my responses to what you said when I wish to make a point. You failed to understand the obvious implications...hardly a surprise.
I’m a Jets fan. Zach was pretty good last year, just watch the Texans and Chiefs games. He was good in both, they had no offensive line at all. The year prior he was terrible but last year he was ok.
I think pretty good is a bit of a far stretch. Lol
What about vs Dallas? Pats? Denver? Philly? Giants? LAC? Vegas? Both Bills games? Miami? He had 4 pass tds and 7 ints in those games 😂😂😂
He has played 2 very big games, stunning favorites.
They’re not trading Zach Wilson. For what? He has no trade value and the Broncos have nothing behind Bo Nix. Zach Wilson’s biggest problem has always been lack of maturity and he was drafted by the most dysfunctional organization in football. Not a winning combination. The talent is there. If anyone can revive his career it’s Sean Payton. This was a great pickup by Denver. It would not surprise me at all to see Wilson thrive in Sean Payton’s offense and be the week one starter. Bo Nix was way over drafted and is hardly a sure thing. I’d take all the Bo Nix hype with a grain of salt….
This maturity line was media manufactured. You probably believe you need another 40 vaccines and that getting the vax keeps its from spreading to other people still too
You hype up Wislon then say to take the Nix hype with a grain of salt 😂😂😂... hilarious. Also... the organization wasn't too "dysfunctional" for them to have BOTH the offensive AND defensive rookies of the year or to have a top 5-10 defense or to have a rb that was 2nd among rbs in total yards behind only Christian McCaffrey. The entire rest of the team is doing just fine and progressing just fine. Wilson was the only one not getting better at all
@@AdamB34 you forgot the New York Jets OL. The worst in football. Kind of important when you want your young QB to succeed. Zach Wilson has a better arm than Bo Nix. He also has more NFL experience. While most NFL scouts had Bo Nix no better than a 2nd or 3rd round prospect. Of course the Denver Broncos are going to talk him up. They WAY over drafted him. Will Bo Nix be better than Zach Wilson? Maybe. Maybe not. Right now it’s impossible to know. What I’m saying is it was smart to take a 6th round flyer on Zach Wilson. If anyone can make an NFL QB out of Wilson it’s Sean Payton. It’s wise not to put all your eggs in the Bo Nix basket.
@@thomasmoshier3920 good qbs can still succeed behind bad olines. Happens ALL THE TIME. Let's just look at 2022 shall we?
- Titans 32nd ranked oline
Qb- Ryan Tannehill
12 starts
65.2% completions
211.3 pass yards per game
13 tds
6 ints
94.6 passer rating
- Jets 31st ranked oline
Qb- Zach Wilson
9 starts
54.5% completions
187.6 pass yards per game
6 tds
7 ints
72.8 passer rating
- Giants 30th ranked oline
Qb- Daniel Jones
16 starts
67.2% completions
200.3 pass yards per game
15 tds
5 ints
92.5 passer rating
- Saints 29th ranked oline
Qb- Andy Dalton
14 starts
66.7% completions
205.1 pass yards per game
18 tds
9 ints
95.2 passer rating
- Bengals 28th ranked oline
Qb- Joe Burrow
16 starts
68.3% completions
279.7 pass yards per game
35 tds
12 ints
100.8 passer rating
That's the 5 worst olines in the nfl from 2022 and guess which qb was the only qb to be AWFUL behind those bad olines???
You really want to make an argument using Ryan Tannehill, Daniel Jones, and Andy Dalton as your examples? You think there might be a correlation between Joe Burrow constantly being hurt and the Bengals OL?
I keep hearing how great the New York Jets are and every year it’s always 7-10. The Jets are a dysfunctional mess. Robert Saleh is a weak HC. Joe Douglas can’t draft an offensive lineman to save his life. Woody Johnson can’t hire the right people and he gave total control to a 40 year old nut job, diva QB. Sure, they’ve got a few pieces here and there. But if you think Zach Wilson is the only thing wrong with the Jets, then you’re as delusional as an Aaron Rodgers conspiracy theory.
Zach Wilson may very well be a bust. But give him a solid offense HC in Sean Payton and a stable organization in Denver and he’s got a chance to revive his career. Especially he can show a little maturity. He is well worth the 6th round flyer it cost the Broncos…
Zach Wilson has always been impressive in training camp. That has never been his issue. The issue stems from when the bullets start flying. Game time, that’s when it falls apart. But, he can also ball out at times. Consistency is the question. Can Sean Payton slow the game Down for him mentally? I don’t know, but he’s a good kid. I can’t root for him. But, he’s someone I’ll be watching.
Yeah I really am curious to see what he can do with Sean if given the opportunity
When has he EVER balled out?
@@JWLSports Payton hasn't developed a good qb in his entire nfl career. The closest is Brees who was already a pro bowler before he played with Payton. Other than that, absolutely nothing
@@AdamB34 The texans and chiefs game last year. I believe he won afc offense player of the week against the texans with 300+ yards and 2 tds. Also against the chiefs, he outplayed mahomes.
@@dustiwnl1480 it's sad you think 245 yards, 2 tds and a fumble in a loss is "balling out"
Zach WIlson was a FIRST round, Second overall selection three seasons ago. Interesting that a FIRST round Twelfth selection this season is somehow supposed to a better player as a rookie than a three year veteran. not to mention currently younger than Bo Nix by tWO years, and more experienced than the oldest quarterback on the roster Stidham…
Honestly, Zach Wilson is more likely to replace the rookie Bo Nix, than Justin Fields is likely to replace Russell Wilson at any point with the Steelers. Unless Bo Nix hits the ground running and looks like a Purdy or Stroud, then Zach Wilson will be the starter over Stidham, and maybe revive his career in Denver…
He let NIX have the number TEN jersey, he could also do Denver fans a solid and wear the number THREE…
😳
Yeah I honestly really don’t care about draft order.
@@JWLSports Agreed, draft position is only important if it means acquiring a particular player before another team does. Players like Brady and Purdy, Russell Wilson, and even Kurt Warner are the proof the draft is overrated. The Broncos have had great success with players in later rounds, like Sharpe, or even not drafted at all like Terrell Davis and Rod Smith…
But it is hard to ignore how everyone insisted on getting NIX in the first round, when realistically he probably would have been available in the third. College Systems aside, Zach seems just as capable, as he too completed over the SEVENTY percent of his passes his senior year too only giving up three interceptions…
Again, the upside all things being equal, Zach is two years younger with three years of real world experience to inform him on how to handle this season. If NIX’s learning curve is anything like Zach’s or Stidham, he will be older than Stidham is now, and in his THIRTIES…
Last year, the Broncos seemed closer to making the playoffs than they do this year… Ironic now that the Steelers have switched places, They have Russell Wilson, and the Broncos will potentially field three different quarterbacks this season…
🤔
Lol. Tell me you don't follow the broncos without telling me you don't follow the broncos....
@@slimslammy27 WHY because of OTA’s and MINI camp… 😆🤣😂
As a fellow DENVER BRONCOS fan, you are right, SUPER BOWL 2024… LET’s go BRONCOS LET GO… Because, never in the History of the Denver Broncos first round picks has any of them ever “NOT WON” a Super Bowl… That’s right Tim Tebow was inducted into the Ring of Honour, when, and because of how many Super Bowl appearances… Let’s go down the LIST…
😂
@@superzero4250first of all, being the 2nd overall pick means absolutely nothing when that player is already in year 4.
Second, sure, Wilson has "3 years of real world experience" and in those 3 years he's been a historically bad qb the entire time.
Third, age is irrelevant for qbs. A guy you mentioned, Kurt Warner, didn't even play one nfl game until he was 28 and qbs can thrive into their late 30s. Also, Wilson is NOT 2 years younger than Nix 😂😂😂... they're both currently 24 and Nix is almost a full year younger.
Fourth, there is no way Nix was slipping to round 3. You made that up entirely.
Fifth... FIF fiiif... who cares if Wilson completed 70% of his passes in college? He's completed 57% of his passes in his 3 year nfl career, never better than 60.1% in any season
Sixth... 😂😂😂😂... Nix won't be in his 30s for 6 more years. He just turned 24 in late February
You seem TERRIBLY CONFUSED in every conceivable way.
I took the comments to state that Zach has the strongest 'arm talent'. Meaning beyond arm strength, he has the ability to get the ball from A to B in ways Nix and Stidham don't. That talent is present even if the processing isn't. I get the sense if Zach shows he can grow in his processing and decision making he can push for a roster spot. Likely however, he's the equivalent an old hot rod that Sean Peyton got for nothing that he wants to tinker with in his garage.
Bo does have a strong arm. He doesn’t have a cannon and he doesn’t need one.
@@reedergrant6108 well almost every nfl qb has a "strong" arm if we're just being vague about it
I think Broncos fans have already anointed Bo Nix as a HOF QB. It's easy to look great at a program like Oregon, but will it translate? Remember, Zach wilson looked complete in college. He was accurate, made good reads, and never got sacked. None of that translated. All I'm saying is odds are not in the favor of any highly drafted QB, so don't be so sure Nix is a sure thing.
None of the local press who have been to the camps have said much about Wilson other than he has a good throw once in awhile.
For the most part, they talk about how far ahead Nix is right than he should be and that Stidham is the most consistent.
Wilson is an afterthought.
Yeah that’s interesting! Who does the local press want to start?
@@JWLSportsthe local press is media they don’t care who starts
@@younggoose7315of course they care who starts. Local guys are local because they care about the local team lol. Very few local writers have no interest in the local team
Why wouldn’t you want that 1st round pick QB to start top 15 to be exact
@@jxiro2 some qbs benefit from sitting and learning for a year or 2. No need to rush Nix into the starting role if he's not ready. The team is terrible anyway
Wilson has twice as much raw talent but who knows with that kid.
Not so sure about that
No he doesn’t
Hyperbole is the language of fools. Twice as much talent as Nix would make Wilson BY FAR the most talented qb in the history of football
Watch Zach become a superstar with Payton and Bo never sees a start in Denver
lol most definitely not happening.
sports media is so lame -- brady said this week he wasn't the guy to get hit out of the pocket because he never did, because he couldn't. had the BEST oline in history for his dinks/dunks and refs were on his side - WHY? because he was marketable! and good for business.
lol
Brady being a dink and dunk passer stopped being true in like 2005 homie. You're embarrassing yourself
💯 agree with your assessment.
Thank you!
Zach can get the ball to the receiver fast. He has to in NY
Since when?
Bo Nix is either going to be a solid starter or a great backup QB.
Let’s face it you don’t know anything
@@angelrocha6505 Let's face it - you're a joke.
@@angelrocha6505 right... "let's face it, he'll either be good or he won't"... thrilling analysis
As a jets fan looking back there’s a lot of blame to go around rookie HC rookie OC and Greg knapp passing was a awful start terrible OL his whole time here. Zach hasn’t been good though he’d have two quarters of great QB play and you’d be thinking that’s why we drafted you #2 and then just capitulate after, we tried to turn him into a pocket qb for three years which is crazy it’s like drafting Josh Allen and saying let’s turn him into Brady its awful scouting.
😂😂😂😂... Wilson is not a running qb at all. He'd get eaten alive if he ran. He's tiny, gets hurt easily and is not very fast, elusive or strong. Trying to make him Lamar Jackson would've been "awful scouting"
Why does J Mac have such a hard time having a pleasant conversation about sports?
😂😂😂
Did Zach W beat the Broncos in Denver last year?
There have been so many QBs in the NFL with great arms over the years who weren’t able to have great careers for many reasons. Some were very good at times and others failed miserably. Jeff George, Jamarcus Russell, Michael Vick, Ryan Leaf, Cutler, and many others. I’m interested to see what Nix looks like in training camp and preseason. Stidham has more experience in Payton’s offense and can run it whereas Russell Wilson wouldn’t or couldn’t. Nix wasn’t my first choice but Payton seems to believe in him and I trust his judgment. I think Nix will start game one with Stidham backing up. Wilson may be kept as third string QB. I don’t think he will be on the practice squad. Someone would pick him up. It would benefit him to stay and absorb as much as he can from Payton.
Hello? Zach is only 6 months older than Bo Nix. He had a terrible 3 years with garbage O line and back offensive coaches.
Good qbs still play well no matter how bad their oline is. Aaron Rodgers was the most sacked qb in the nfl multiple times and still played like an mvp. Same with Burrow. Hell, even Geno Smith made the pro bowl with the 27th rated oline in 2022 lol
We’ve always known Zach Wilson has the strongest arm. He just sucks ass. Everything I’ve heard is that Zach has been the worst of the 3 QBs so far. By a wide margin.
Loved the vid
Thank you!
An Ordinary arm in Mile High becomes above average if can control what the thin air gives. 10 yards easily
🙄It’s not like the Zach Wilson was the 2nd overall pick in his draft🥱
Meaning?
@@JWLSports When a 🏈 player is drafted that high he’s gonna show tremendous skills however whether it translates too winning in actual NFL🏈games is the most important thing.
Totally fair!
@@phillipowens3612 who cares where he was picked? It's utterly irrelevant
Bo nix is starting Zach Wilson backup their gonna cut stidham cuz of the money they’ll save like 7 mill
i would say don't ever listen to Jmac
Lol well he's just reporting the news. He's not making it up
Whoever report this it isn't true, listen to orange & blue today
Yeah I honestly don't know
3 backup qbs.
Sure
Anyone that thinks Zach Wilson is a legit NFL quarterback is fooling themselves. Dude just doesn’t have it. Don’t be like the Bears fans that made every excuse for him. I fought with the Bears fans about this same thing last year and I was proven right. I don’t give a shit what you do in college. The college game compared to the NFL game are two different beasts. In college if you’re strong, athletic, have a big arm can make all the throws you can have quite a collegiate career. In the NFL you don’t have to be strong, athletic, have a big arm or make all the throws I mean you need to have NFL level talent so please don’t misunderstand what I am saying. But the great separator from greatness and garbage is how fast that thing between your ears can process information. College you can be a great QB with 90% physical 10 mental. In the NFL to be a great QB it’s 10% physical, 90% mental. You have about 4-5 seconds pre snap to read and react to what the defense might be doing. And you have about 2.2-2.5 seconds to react post snap in which a lot of information has to process extremely fast, pocket awareness, where is the additional pressure coming from, who’s dropping back into coverage, are your WRs in a position to get open and then decide to throw the ball to a target, throw it away, take the sack, or tuck it and pick up yards with your legs and again all this processing needs to be done in the 2.2-2.5 seconds on most snaps. Zach Wilson lacks the processing ability. He was drafted based on his athleticism, and his ability to throw the ball and make all the throws. He may even be a very smart guy as well but he can’t process fast enough. Bo Nix is a wait and see. Unfortunately it’s the one thing you can try and gauge in college but until they step on a NFL field and have to deal with the complexities of playing QB in the pros we won’t know. But I would not sacrifice the growth of the QB I just used a 1st round pick on for some dude that was drafted high 4 years ago. I would think if anything Wilson and Stidham are in competition to be the inevitable backup this year and Bo Nix will probably be the starter fairly early in the season. Personally I think it would be best to start Stidham at Seattle, vs Pittsburgh, at Tampa Bay, at NYJ to start the season. I would rather Nix start come week 5 at home vs the Raiders. Let him get some mental reps on the sideline let him experience how fast the game truly is by observing it up close. Some say every rep is important it’s really not especially if it will kill your confidence or cause you to start seeing ghosts out there.
It looked like he never had played football? Zach is really streaky and had a terrible O line, but he had some very good games here and there.
"Here and there" aka like 3 imes in 3 years 😂
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This is obviously an attempt by Cowherd to build up Wilson so Denver can trade him. Cowherd and Payton are buddies so he's doing him a favor. If you really follow the broncos you know Wilson is struggling right now.
I don’t think Colin is trying to do anything. Lol. He’s just reporting.
Build up Wilson? He said almost nothing positive about him 😆😆
It’s pretty common knowledge that the QB competition is now a two way race between Stiddy and Nix. Wilson is the distant 3rd just looking for a roster spot now. Not sure why this ridiculous click bait came up. Wilson does have the best pure arm talent….what he doesn’t have is the ability to make good decisions with the ball. Heck he took off running during 7 on 7’s…a cardinal no-no. At best he’s a multi year project that may or may not pan out. He’s no longer in the race to start this year
Yeah I wonder why there’s all these reports these days about Wilson
People keep saying that Bo Nix is a good decision-maker. But weren’t around 70% of his throws last season at or behind the line of scrimmage? That doesn’t mean good decision-maker, that means most decisions were made for him.
It's not that straightforward
@@JWLSports so where’s the decision-making in designed screens and quick hitters? That’s not today’s NFL. Have to be able to read down the field and fit throws into brief, small windows. Based his usage there isn’t a lot suggesting that Bo can do that
@@smh0825- On passes over 10 yards down the field, Nix racked up the stats, tossing over 66 percent of his touchdowns on these throws. In both the medium passes (10 to 19 yards) and deep passes (over 20 yards), Nix had PFF pass grades over 90.
- On sideline throws over 10 yards down the field Nix’s 60 percent on-target rate was better than Jayden Daniels (59 percent), Michael Penix Jr. (56), Caleb Williams (55), Drake Maye (52) and J.J. McCarthy (51).
They heard That Zach was having a good camp and the first thought is that” he’s starting this year”, “ he’s looking better than bo”, “ he is a top 5 backup” keep in mind Denver never said none of these things but the media?( 2 guys you see in the pod) will throw in words to “make their take seem believable, wait till the season, you dont know, i dont know , joe shmo doesn’t know, just shhh and wait😂😂
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Russell Wilson has a big arm. Look how that worked out. Zach Wilson won’t make the team. They’re just trying to get someone to trade for him.
Interesting, because led the JETS past the Broncos last season…
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@@superzero4250😂😂😂... he had 0 tds, 1 int and 2 fumbles vs Denver last year. They won because Breece Hall nearly put up 200 yards and the defense forced 3 turnovers
SP bout to get exposed the way BB was exposed when his QB succession plans failed
SP had 1 SB in 15yrs, he coached in a historically weak DIV had a indoor advantage etc etc
He's no different than Mike McCarthy or John Harbaugh.
Tomlin who coached in a much tougher DIV and a DIV that had 3 teams make the playoffs multiple years
back when there was 6 seeds has a higher Win Pct than SP and he won without a sure fire HOF QB and won
games with a bunch of scrubs(washed Vick, Rudolph,Pickett, Batch, Hodges)
SP is a great play caller not a great HC and Bronco fans are about to find out first hand
What does competent mean to you?
I can’t stand Colin’s co-host he is just wicked annoying 😂
Like what?
I find it interesting in these conversations that Jared stidham is just not in the conversation. We just cannot forget how he tore up the San Francisco 49ers. He has it in him. Stidham starts the season and if we roll we roll. If we don't Zach comes in. I do not believe Sean Payton starts. Bo in the first year, barring injury to the others or whatever
I think because Wilson was such a divisive player with New York as well as Bo Nix being the new draft pick that people have VERY strong feelings about. So they grab the headlines
@@JWLSportsor because Stidham is a scrub and not interesting in any way, shape or form.
😂😂😂... "Don't forget about that sort of good game he had that one time 2 years ago"... 😂😂😂
@@AdamB34 there's nothing scrub about him. An NFL franchise doesn't pay someone 10 million dollars if he is a scrub...
@@bonesworld7178 😆😆😆... yes, they do. All the time in fact. And fyi, his contract was 2 years $10 million, that's normal back up qb money. You are terribly confused
I didn't hear once in this video anyone sat wilson is beating nix in camp. Why lie in your video title?
No one is lying, what are you talking about? We discussed the possibility of Wilson beating out Bo Nix
@@JWLSportsyour title says Cowherd is "shocked Wilson is beating out bo nix for Broncos starting qb"... but that never was actually said in the video. It's ok to just admit you put a click bait title on the video lol. It's what low rent wannabe "sports analysts" do after all.
We all know what you are 😂 The video has 16k views with a 90% like rate. With over 200 comments and only you two complaining. Try again bud 🤷♂️ If I was lying or “low rent” I’d have like a 90% thumbs down rate. You don’t know TH-cam. Or sports. It’s all good though. Maybe sit the next few plays out huh champ?
@@JWLSports notice how you didn't deny putting out a click bait title? Fyi... 16k views and 200 comments is absolutely nothing 🤣🤣🤣. You should be embarrassed you even bragged about that
I'd see Zach to start in Seattle... and Win
How can you dislike Russ but Zack is okay🤡💯
Like against Seattle you're saying week 1?
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Colin just said strong arm and doesnt see the field
What do you mean?
University of Oregon is not the NFL. None of these armchair QB's have ever taken a snap in the NFL. Zach is the one QB who outshined Mahomes when the Jets played the Chiefs. He had a great game against the Generals, was player of the week. With no OL, no running game, penalties, no OC, and a coach that blamed Zach for missing the playoffs guess what guys it is a team sport. Denver will start Nix and all his cheerleaders will say even though he hasn't got an arm he is a great QB lol. Cowherd can't be proven wrong, his job depends upon it. So the naysayers will continue never recognizing anything positive about Zach.
NO WAY😵💫
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This is why the national media has no clue. Locally, Zach Wilson has always been observed as performing the worst, with Stiddy in the lead by a narrow margin over Bo. I'm sick of hearing about Bo's arm, his long bomb highlights are no different than Drake Maye's, or JJ's... what do they really know?
And if Stidham and Bo are 1a and 1b, then you have to go with Bo on Day 1
Yeah I think it all depends on if you want to develop Bo more. No need to rush him out there just because. But if he's ready, and the future of the team, well then hit the ground running
You’re wrong, I’ve been hearing the opposite
Arm strength is also about speed of ball through tight windows.
But nix looks good.
Stidham had lots of hype behind him from qb coaches around the league. So I don't care I just want a decent qb
All you have to do is listen to the new fans remarks and it tells you exactly why they are there!! And for you to act like THEY are treating not based on race is disingenuous and you know it
To say black are non accepting of white athletes is totally ridiculous. Now the fact that you are caught in black people firing back on racist white fans that just came to the WNBA calling CC the best player in the WNBA which is ridiculous. Go read the ALL the comments from the NCAA Women's tournament. Go read ALL the comments about the Olympics. Has nothing to do with saying CC isn't good. They're acting like Aja isn't playing
How can you generalize and say that she is the sole reason? That's what is ridiculous. Check the Aces attendance figures. What did CC have to do with that?
@@donaldtillman4351 you're seriously embarrassing yourself
Your last comment made it sound like payton was leaking these stories out like he had about jj before the draft
What do you mean?
@@JWLSportsremember when Sean Payton came out and said he was leaking ideas that the broncos wanted JJ trying to make team move up.
Payton was also trying to control what his friends in the media said about the draft.
Collin had said that the broncos were interested in Jj right before the draft maybe to help Sean or he was only was reading clickbait headlines.
I am over thinking the situation
@@JWLSportsthanks for replying
Oh right! I see what you’re saying. Honestly there’s so much speculation and behind the scenes info we will just never know. So I’m excited to see what they actually do come time September!
Of course!
Wilson won’t even make the team this is a joke report
Not sure about that
😂😂😂that Sean Payton who's the coach that doesn't deal with so called black quarterbacks Drew Brees and a half a heartbeat with Russell Wilson where he stood there on the sidelines and berated him like he was a child and now both Nick comes in but we're going to go with the Caucasian kid it's not about anybody's capabilities is their abilities to look like their coach 😂😂😂
Yet Payton had no issue coaching up guys like Teddy and Winston. This is a dumb comment
idk how you could've watched Nix at Auburn and draft him in the 1st round.......
Because he then played another two years at a completely different school and balled out.
@@jdolo4670 so.... his last 2 years don't count? Only 2021 and prior count? Odd take homie
@@AdamB34we seen what he looked like in the SEC……completely different beast than PAC 12 and west coast schools….SEC is closest thing to NFL in College he won’t be good in the league
@@jdolo4670 🤣🤣🤣... did Mahomes play in the s.e.c? Jordan Love? Goff? Josh Allen? Purdy? Stroud? Trevor Lawrence? Lamar Jackson? Justin Herbert? Aaron Rodgers? Russell Wilson? Kyler Murray (back up in s.e.c one year)? Derek Carr? Cousins?
How about the other qbs in this last draft like #1 pick Caleb Williams, #3 pick Drake Maye, #10 pick Jj Mccarthy... any of them from the s.e.c?
@@AdamB34 no but Bo Nix did and was terrible and had to transfer…….
Sean Payton is a great head coach Drew Brees and in 15 years 1 Super Bowl Bounty gate which he knew nothing about 😉😉 unless of course he threw his defensive coordinator under the bus NAW not Sean MMOkay but the truth will be told in by the future and I don't know how this Julian guy got on my feeds to Colin Cowherd speak first things first I respect is opinion but I would just rather watch the shows themselves without his commentary no offense
zach wilson aint beating out nothing he might not even make the team
He’s making the team. Lol
@@JWLSports why? He could easily be qb3 and get cut or put on the practice squad. You don't seem to truly have much football knowledge. All your comments are just you saying things like "yeah idk, I'm just repeating what was said" or "I'm not really sure" 😆😆😆
This is just wrong information everyone who’s been at the camps says stidham and Bo are the only people in conversation of starting
Yeah I don't know. I'm just going off of the reporting
I’ve heard people at camp say Zach is by far the best QB and Nix isn’t ready yet.
@@henryslatt9041 no you haven't
@@henryslatt9041you’ve heard very wrong
Zach actually doesn't want to play he just sits on the bench do the least amount of work to get a paid check that guy he is.
Bo is 25 in a few days. So.. more mature.. I suppose
He's definitely mature
He just turned 24 in late February actually
This is a lie wilson got beat out
No one said he didn’t.
He is not a competent QB
Wilson?
Liveliest arm doesn’t mean he is good. Zach is in third place as per the Denver media. The national media tryna sell a story.
"Liveliest arm" is a nice way of saying, He's not very accurate.
What are you gonna say when he’s starting Week 1?
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@@henryslatt9041nothing because it won’t happen
Bo Nix! DB4LIFE!
Let’s go!
Zach Wilson always had an awesome arm. He just stinks.
He’s more ready than Nix
I should hope so considering Bo Nix has never taken a snap in the nfl.
@@henryslatt9041 why? Just because he's played more doesn't mean he's more ready to be qb1. Just about every rookie starter had a back up with more experience lol
The liveiest arm in mini camp hahaha okay cool
hahaha. I knew you'd find that entertaining. What does that phrase even actually mean? And what relevance does it even hold?
@@JWLSports hahahaha zero relevance hahaha too funny
It’s like when my coaches would always say, “look alive out there” 😂
@@JWLSports hahahahaha yea no kidding. Too funny
It means velocity on throws, throws across the body, zips into tight windows. Those kinds of throws which there is no question that Zach has more of that arm talent in him than Nix or Stidham and it’s not particularly close. Zach’s problem is every other part of being a QB is lacking rather significantly. That’s why he’s such an interesting project for Sean Payton because his ceiling if he can ever reach it is nearly limitless.
I call bullshit
On?
Bo has a very strong arm you fools
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He threw at least one for 60 yards at Oregon. I saw it. No wind up. Just accurate. Reminded me of Brady. That's not weak you dummies
@@tobyvattilano7846 yes... 100% of the scouts are wrong but you are right because you saw him throw deep once 😆🤦
@AdamB34 hey genius, if I dunk a basketball just once in a game, does that mean I can dunk? You are brilliant🤣
@@tobyvattilano7846 Stop the presses the peanut gallery has spoken