The draft was NEVER about drafting an immediate starter. It's about DEVELOPING the player into being successful in the starting role. The odds of drafting a player that's NFL ready right away is super low.
Raymon, we have now become a win at all cost league, there is only today, no tomorrow attitude, the pressure and weight that these players are now carrying is almost unbearable, most thrive, a lot do not.
It depends on the position. It was obvious Brock bowers would make an immediate impact. Adrian Peterson could have made an impact after his freshman year in college and it was easy to see that when he came out. The bosa brothers were obviously NFL ready in the draft. Obviously qb is different. It needs to be developed.
with the recent draft not really. a lot of COVID year players who are 23 or older are plug and play players. Bo Nix and Michael Penix are finished products, same age as Trevor Lawrence. if Bo Nix sucks (which he currently does) then he’s gonna continue to suck and there’s little to no fine tuning you can do to fix him. both are traditional pocket passers
@@austinbennett7049 how long he has been in the league doesn't matter. Do the Panthers want a chance of winning? Then they start Dalton. Young had been horrendous, you also expect more from a #1 pick. Especially with a year of experience. Maybe he'll develop into a decent player, but they can't do what they did the first two games this season on a regular basis. Young was why they stunk on offense. They replaced him, and now they're better. It's that simple.
Has anybody seen the last few Washington games? Bryce is a bust plain and simple. His style is to sling it from different positions and on the run. That doesn’t work in the NFL unless you have a superior arm. Bryce just doesn’t have an NFL arm. He was successful at Alabama because they had superior talent around him. It’s that simple. It was a waisted pick!
He should have been the starter to begin with. Andy has been in the league for like 14 years so I would think he’d be able to immediately look better than Young. Young needs to learn
I was done with this team when Tepper fired Steve Wilks. The one guy over the last two years that united the locker room, impassioned the fans, and made this team competitive. How do you even justify that?
@@docrhoney9437 Baker Mayfield took the Browns to the playoffs and won a playoff game, and he made the playoffs last year and won a playoff game with the Bucs. How is he trash? You sound dumb af
Fans have no idea of the number of players who flamed out of the league because they had the unfortunate luck if being drafted to the wrong orginization
Name a 5'9 qb that isnt mobile have success in the nfl? I'll wait. It's a reason why russ isn't the threat he used to be because he lost his mobility now his lack of height is more of a problem
Us Texans fans kept receipts when the media said Bryce Young was not only better, but was also in a better situation and position to succeed. And they overhyped him so much.
As a browns fan this is by far worse then the Watson trade. The player that were drafted with the browns picks besides Dell are not very good. and before you say it Anderson was not drafted with a browns pick. The Texans used the browns pick to trade up to get him but if the browns had that pick they still would not have been in position to trade up like the texans did.
Obviously Bryce is in a terrible situation and they were wrong about that, I do believe that if Stroud went 1 and Bryce 2nd Stroud would be going through the same thing with Carolina and Bryce would be thriving, just goes to show how much a situation really matters
CJ Stroud was such an outlier of a performance that now the Colts, Titans, and Panthers are all getting pressure from the media and fans to signal if they drafted the wrong QB. - Sam Darnold was ruined - Kyler Murray’s career is tainted - Baker Mayfield was ruined - Mac Jones is was given a DC as an OC - Caleb Williams is next with 0 OL protection If you’re drafted to a poverty organization expect poverty results. The only QB who shouldn’t have been drafted in the first round the last 4 years is Trey Lance
Exactly these teams need to stop drafting a QB 1st and expect them to come and change lives Texans only doing well because they surround CJ with help and a coach that actually knows a thing or two
And remember mid way through last year, the media was calling J Love a bust. The flip flopping of Cowherd over 8 weeks is still so unbelievable to watch. But the Packers are a much better run organization compared to the Panthers.
Kyler Murray’s career is tainted but his stats so far this season is 428 yards passing. 4 touchdowns and a passer rating of 122.9 but his career is tainted. Go look at his previous stats his put up big numbers. Yea granted he hasn’t taken his team to a playoff spot. But he’s moving in the right direction this season to do so.
As a.colt fan I say shame on booing luck And remember ar has very few quality reps Same ppl Give.him all the slack. Remember when peyton was throwing record INT
He's not the worst pick because he works hard and will continue to develop. The worst pick to this day is Jamarcus Russel. Never cared to improve, ate his way out of shape, never watched film, didn't do anything to make him self better.
The national fixed league will quickly to bench a Black QB but if he was white he wouldn't get bench like Danny Jones the worst quarterback in the league but he doesn't get bench cuz he White
@@alloutwar650 Timmy is another example, media would rather nit pick the bad than notice any good. Team quit on, Young, Seems he had some expectations from the, Panthers though; Timmy not so much.
@@alloutwar650 they're scrutinizing his size and manhood, that his boy sized, They're not being easy on him. Timmy was also open about his virginity so I mean he set himself up for that one.
Jamarcus Russell did not cost the Raiders a boatload of draft picks to obtain him. The Panthers traded away the number one pick in the draft in 2024, a top-ten pick in 2023, DJ Moore, and other draft picks to get Bryce Young. That is what makes the Bryce Young pick even worse than Jamarcus Russell.
Front office wanted CJ Stroud, but Dave Tepper and his wife wanted Bryce Young. Dave Tepper hasn’t had a winning season since he bought that team in 2019 and cut Cam Newton in 2020. Dude has done nothing but overpaid coaches that he fires in a span of 2 seasons. Tepper is the worst owner in the entire NFL and the entire city of Charlotte NC literally hates this man
I'm always curious how this narrative sticks. The beat writers have said it's not true and both Scott Fitterer and Frank Reich had made bad QB decisions prior to this.
@@unc54 Nah dude. Dan Morgan has come out and confirmed what Reich said in that press conference… Ownership took control of that selection. Tepper wanted Young. Reich and the majority of his staff believed Stroud was the better option. Guy who writes the cheques has the final say… Dan Morgan still living off his playing days in Carolina coupled with the scouting days in Seattle where he apparently had a hand in building the Legion of Boom. As a Bills fan, he was meh. They claim he had a hand in drafting Josh Allen but it’s been reported he had Rosen ahead of Allen; thank goodness that worked out. The problem in Carolina is the front office and ownership first and foremost. It’s like a less talented Cowboys organization… the owner and his guys wrongfully have their fingers in the pie.
The NFL is ruining rookie quarterbacks. They're rookies... they don't know what they're doing! Quarterbacks used to sit for three or four years until they were ready. It's not fair to them.
The first time in my life I remember rookie QBs doing well were Flacco and Ryan. Seems like ever since NFL been holding rookies to that expectation, lol.
Wha are you talking about? The rookies have experience at qb. Rookies are not adapted to the different cultures and the teams of nfl like they were with in college.
I'm here after Andy Dalton just scored 36 the next game after yall said nobody could win with this team around them..remember this the next time yall pretend to know what you are talking about...
Any team that doesn't have the speed combination of Tyreek Hill and Waddle cannot do that. Even the Dolphins offense gets regularly exposed against good teams.
People aren't hard enough on Bryce. He's played 18 games and had maybe 2 above-average games. This season he's been pressured the least of any QB in the NFL and the Panthers acquired a starting WR in Diontae Johnson, drafted a WR in the first round in Xavier Legette, brought back Adam Thielen, and yet Bryce has not only not improved but has significantly regressed to unquestionably the worst QB in the league.
The problem is they don’t let most of these young men sit and develop anymore. Plus, he was put in a bad situation with that team because that organization is a mess. Everyone is rushing to find the next star when they don’t have the supporting cast around them most of the time. I feel sorry for him.
Bryce would have struggled anywhere, he doesn't have vision over an OL, doesn't have great arm strength, has average mobility, has poor pocket presence. What more is there to evaluate? Its a good move and they could have moved on from him last year and still been in the right.
Yeah… he’s in accurate, his pre play and during play reads are awful, not athletic, too short, not a powerful arm, terrible decision making. you can see all of this on tape. It’s silly to me that the notion on Young is that he’s just in a bad position. While that is definitely a contributing factor, it’s not the only reason he’s awful… tape don’t lie.
I agree with everything Louis Riddick said. They had the structure in place for a quarterback like CJ Stroud but were forced by the owner to draft Bryce
He's short, thin, soft arm, not fast, and was a supposed "elite processor" but he stares into double coverage and serves up easy INTs.... he misses BUBBLE SCREENS and can't even throw quick outs with proper velocity..... yeah this roster has a lot of holes,but Bryce literally takes a bad team and makes them unwatchable, leads the league in off target throws..... last szn when Dalton started in Seattle, it looked like a respectable offense Yes the Panthers SUCK (thanks Tepper) But Bryce is still somehow worse Dude is built like Eddy Piniero, he ain't meant for this life
As a smaller QB you have to have at least one elite trait to survive in this league If we look at the 3 common example for the short QB in Kyler/Wilson/Brees Kyler and Wilson have/had *elite* athleticism being able to break contain easily, combine that with Kyler strong arm and Russ having one of the greatest deep ball throw ever you see why they could do things Brees has unparalleled accuracy and touch and pocket presence as funnily enough was more athletic and bigger than Young Young is short/small/doesn’t have a big arm/ doesn’t have elite athleticism on the field/ doesn’t process quickly enough at this level/misses easy reads and open throws and can hold on to the ball for too long An unmitigated disaster at this moment in time and potentially the worst QB ever taken number 1
The bubble screen he expected the wr to run towards the ball to catch it in stride. The main thing I see is him and his receivers are just off. Either he doesn’t know how they like the ball or the timing is off. The other half is his decision making
I'm a Panthers fan and I'm embarrassed. The ownership was so *desperate* to get a QB, that they traded their top receiver and their own pick to the Bears for the 1st overall pick. It was so bad, they had the worst record, but the Bears got the pick. Desperation gets you nowhere in life or in sports.
@@briantoplessbar4685 and Bryce had 11 tds and 10 ints as a rookie with not much on offense. Similar but better TD/INT ratio. Give him and all the other guys time AND help.
@@truuee9016Peyton was also 6’5 and could make all the throws. Bryce is 5’9 with average arm strength and limited athleticism for this level. Also Peyton studied and took every rep, even preseason so he could be better. Bryce a good kid, but he needs a mental reset as he is checked out. Watch his interception this past weekend and it looked like he was going cry
Thank you for mentioning that Steve Wilks was Carolina Panthers was the best situation for them. Tepper made a huge mistake for letting Steve Wilks go for an unjustified 6:11 reason. Tepper #1 problem! Thank you for mentioning that!
Every time you mention that on the Panthers blog the fans say you don’t know anything. I just mentioned that recently and so many of the Panthers fans said I didn’t know anything.
Keep that same energy for Caleb Williams when the year ends. Don’t be giving him excuses. He’s in the same position Bryce is in. Terrible ran franchises!
Nope Bryce is the worst. Russell at least had flashes of physical talent. Bryce has nothing mentally or physically. And Panthers gave up a haul to get him, Raiders didn't
Bryce is the worst even zach wilson has shown flashes jamarcus did too but he was lazy with bryce i jus think hes scared or he jus not built for the nfl
This is a perfect example of why you don't play guys before they are ready. Jordan Love couldn't even throw a spiral when he got to Green Bay and looked horrendous even in preseason. He was forced to sit two full years and learn, and then when he was named the starter her struggle a bit but it wasn't a disaster and eventually he turned a corner and is on a path to being a very good player. Had he been thrown out there on Day 1, he's probably working at Wendy's right now just like Bryce will be in a few months.
He actually sat 3 years because this year would have been his fifth. Remember everyone saying he was a bust at week 8 or so then he is a top 5 QB at the end. I loved Cowherd saying he wasn't even a quality back up then in Dec saying GB does it right. Draft when you don't need them. Let them learn. Be patient. Otherwise you are firing coaches and throwing players into new schemes every year (wasn't that Baker's problem at the beginning?)
@@kp5250 Even one year would be better than what most teams do. You can't throw a guy out there with Adam Thielan being the #1 WR and having a horrible defense and offensive line. I think Bryce Young can still be good he just needs to get traded to the Rams or somewhere like that and mentally recover for a year or two, and then try again. Calling him a bust is BS you could put Mahomes on that team and they would still have a losing record.
He's 5'9", 170lbs, not accurate, can't run, doesn't have a strong arm. What were the Panthers thinking? As a Houstonian, we give thanks to the Panthers for Panthering their 1st pick that year. You can't grade Alabama QB's under Nick Saban, the same way you grade QB's from other institutions. On a scale of 1-100, you have to substract 15-20 points on the grade u have for them...
dude as a Panthers fan i was literally screaming and crying inside the moment all those drafting Bryce rumors were swirling, because when the trade was announced most people seemed to assume it must be for CJ saw this coming from miles away and it's been absolutely painful and depressing to watch play out..... like HOW THE *#@ did ANYONE think this dude was built for this lol the guy can't even throw a quick out properly, it's unwatchable.... i saw Chris Weinke, i saw Jimmy Clausen, this has been worse
Sam Darnold in his final season in Carolina: 4-2 QB record, 7 TDs, 3 Ints, 13.9 yards per completion, 92.6 passer rating Baker Mayfield final season in Cleveland: 83.1 passer rating; six games with Carolina: 79.1 passer rating Let's not act like it's entirely Carolina's fault. The owner is toxic. But Young has been terrible and if you think he'll magically become great going to another team, you're wrong
I'm so glad there is at least one person with a brain in this chat. I completely agree with you. It's insane they try to blame it all on Carolina as an organization!
There is nothing about watching him play that indicates he deserves to be in the NFL at all, never mind the #1 pick overall. I think fans forget that every team is breaking down tape hard; there's no hiding that Bryce looks terrible. Fans can chatter all they want, the professionals know what's up.
They drafted him. Thats why Reddick said they’ve been terrible as an org from the very start. No way you actually do your homework and draft him over Stroud or Richardson. Thats on them
So panthers evaluated him wrong as the number one pick completely wrong ....so what did all the so called media experts do at espn do? How was he the consensus no 1 pick if he literally has no special attribute as a qb...
Because people look at the simple stats more than anything and the stigma behind Ohio State QBs, basically. They also failed to recognize that Bryce's game would not translate over to the pros, considering he needed 5+ seconds to throw the ball and elite receivers to succeed.
You will be waiting until the end of time to see this guy string together a full season that's good. This guy can't even put 3 good quarters together. His record is 2.
@@lendesdail4304 Sam Darnold started out hot with like 900 yards and 3 to 1 TD to INT ration in Carolina as well. He had good streaks in NY too. He just has never been able to put a full season together. Baker has also been solid, he just got injured. Glad to see he is healthy. If you're going to comment, at least know what you're talking about.
As many others stated, the NFL does not develop quarterbacks anymore. We expect the number one pick to go to the worst team in the league and save the franchise. The odds that that's going to happen are very little. In two or three years, I would not be surprised if Bryce Young goes to another team and leads them to a playoff appearance because that's how long it takes to properly develop a quarterback.
1st overall picks are expected to show SOME SIGNS of being a star player no matter how bad the team is. #1 overall has different expectations and standards you’re supposed to be special.
Panthers traded up from 9 and actually ended the season before on a hot streak. They weren't the worst team in the NFL. In fact they were the popular pick for a wild card if they got a decent QB in. BY was labeled as the most pro ready QB possibly ever. Unfortunately his physical skills have been exposed as not good enough at this level. Happens to great college players all the time in all sports.
Look how Mahomes started his career he had Tyreek Hill, Kelce, Kareem Hunt, Sammy Watkins to start his career and a HOF coach to go with all that! That doesn’t get mentioned enough
@@Yut-vs7zg Mahomes was pick #10 so not that far off my guy. No QB picked in the top 10 goes to the situation Mahomes went into. An already playoff contender, with multiple pro bowlers and HOF players on offense, and a HOF coach!
@@loikmacfarlane4067 Josh Rosen played on 8 different teams in 5 years bro. If you think Bryce Young is WORSE than Josh Rosen....you must be Josh Rosen or you're related to him. 🤣🤣🤣
I'm so glad Shannon Sharpe got up and told the truth. Bryce Young hasn't played well at all - but at the same time, they have not given him anywhere NEAR the tools he needs to strive. You can't go get successful QBs that had offensive talent and them expect them to turn bronze into gold.. I like Adam Theilan, but he ain't a Steffon Diggs.
Shannon Sharpe gave an outdated opinion. The Panthers invested heavily into the offense this offseason. They spent a lot of money on offensive guards, traded for Diontae Johnson, drafted Xavier Legette in the first round, drafted a TE in the 4th, and a RB in the 2nd (who is currently on PUP but nonetheless still an investment). And through the first two weeks the offensive line has allowed the least amount of pressure and on film receivers are getting open. It's not unfair to expect Bryce to look better than the worst QB in the league.
When you are 5’9” you have to do at least have a couple of physical skills that are above average to overcompensate for being short. He has a below average arm and he’s not mobile. Look at Kyler Murray. He has elite mobility and can rocket of an arm. If Bryce was drafted 15 years ago he would have went undrafted.
His arm is not below average. He makes the wrong decisions in trying to make a play and not take the check down. This is not to blame on his height at all
Stop saying he doesn't have protection, ask the oline or look at the tape. Andy Dalton came in last year and put up 360 yards with the same offense Bryce had. The fault of the organization is drafting him and paying him over 24 million guaranteed with his physical tools. I want to hear the same talk if Andy gets the offense moving and the weapons are putting up numbers...hmmm
Andy Dalton is no longer term answer but he is a legitimate NFL QB. Bryce simply is to small and has to weak of an arm. You can see it in games, he has interceptions because the ball sails on on. In college he played with the best talent on his team. Only 2-3 times a year did he play against a team that could challenge Bama’s talent.
I won’t lie….having the lead for only 10 seconds is actually pretty remarkable. Like did we kick a FG and then give up a kick return? That’s actually funny to me.
No one will ever outdo Jamarcus Russell. Imagine being drafted to a bad team and they trade away everything good on the team to draft you. Even Mahomes would suffer in Carolina
The Panthers o-line this season has allowed the least pressure in the first two weeks and the main passing weapons are Dionate Johnson, Xavier Legette, and Adam Thielen. You would be foolish to think Mahomes couldn't win 10 games with the Panthers.
@@AyeCoby You’re absolutely right and that’s my point. Situation matters. If Mahomes was drafted to the absolute worst team in the league, he might still be good but he landed in the perfect situation. Didn’t have to start his first year, crazy talent around him and a coach that maximizes his talent.
I remember when all you sportscaster’s were picking Young over Stroud as for who you would pick with the 1st pick of that draft. He was small af back then too, idk how this is surprising lol
He has a top 5 OL right now and a HC/System that helped salvage Baker and Geno. Noone is asking him to win a SB but that is more than enough to not be the absolute worst QB in the NFL.
Imo you need your QB not to have unlimited riches in college and become spoiled and not actually having to learn the nuances of being a QB in terms of reading coverages, going through your progressions and getting the ball out at times Most times great QBs often come from schools where the team in college wasn’t stacked with WRs/RBs and OL and with Alabama for the last 15 years they’ve had all 3
It's very true that the Panthers organization is doing him no favors but what's the excuse for him missing wide open receivers during the chargers game this past weekend? What's the excuse for him getting the least amount of quarterback pressure this weekend and still running himself into sacks
Look at sam darnold now. Everyone said the same things about him. The panthers have the worst ownership in the nfl bar none dont blame a 22 year old kid for not bailing out a billion dollar corporation @jaliel0007
Okay, so genuine question: what is the narrative going to be if Andy Dalton throws for 250+ yds and is at least competitive against the Raiders this Sunday? I love Bryce as a human and want to see him succeed - I have 2 Young jerseys - but his play has been so bad these first two weeks that it has been impossible to evaluate our offense. He is missing open guys left and right, whether due to a poor throw, not throwing, or not seeing the WR. Even our OL is much improved per the PFF ratings.
They'll ignore it. They don't pay attention to the Panthers until news like this drops and then they just lean on outdated narratives. If they did they'd know that Andy Dalton in his single start last year gave a better performance than Bryce Young did in the other 16 games.
that's literally what happened in Seattle last year with Dalton (340 yds 2 TD, something like that) and almost every receiver magically had their best game of the season lol anyone who can't see it by now just doesn't understand what they see when they watch football, this is as simple as it gets.... Bryce ain't built for this, never was
He showed his processing ability in the 1st quarter on Sunday when the Panthers were in field goal range. On 3rd down, he ran backwards & sideways & then with ample time to throw the ball away, he decided to take a sack...taking the team out of FG range. Unfortunately, he's not a great processor either.
That's the thing. He was drafted for pretty much no reason (over Stroud) other than processing and ability to read through your options quickly and effectively. He rarely makes a play-saving decision, and actively hurts the team with instances like this. Maybe he just lost his mojo after a really rough year but you'd think you'd see at the very least some flashes of greatness.
It bothers me that they show these highlights where he clearly is the main problem and then just spend the whole segment blaming the Panthers. The Panthers obviously hold a lot of responsibility but at some point you need to realize Bryce is the one missing open throws, making bad reads, and taking bad sacks.
@@unc54his confidence is so destroyed he was about to start crying also he’s had 3 coaches in 2 years with 3 different systems with no weapons and an O line that’s actively trying to get him killed
@@Nick_T_90the OL is top 5 right now through 2 weeks? It's like people are not paying attention and are just creating an echo chamber of false excuses to justify their pre draft love of they guy. The OL is not a problem. I repeat the OL is playing well and has given up the least amount of pressures in the NFL.
@@AdamMcnabb-g59 it doesn't matter how long it lasts. BY just played two games with one the highest graded pass blocking units in the NFL and failed miserably.
Mahomes’ success have given NFL fans unrealistic expectations. And even he couldn’t have been drafted into a better situation. The overwhelming majority of young QBs need time.
Look. Mahomes had Andy Reid, a veteran QB whos a class act, as well a stable organization. Not to mention Mahomes has grown into this dynamic QB....Oh, yeah, Tyrique Hill was drafted for him. Clearly not the same comparison my guy.
@@taraross8044You’re saying the same thing I did lol. You just listed the people involved. Fans and media expect that kind of production from jump. And that’s unrealistic 99% of the time
They mention Bryce's name 1 million times and only mention Tepper (the REAL problem) once... Good job, Disney/ESPN. At least Shannon understands on Nightcap.
Bryce Young is the scapegoat in all of this. It is an unmitigated disaster bec these are billionaire's problems, tbey need someone to take the fall for it. Poor Bryce Young
You people are so pathetic. All of y'all are blaming literally EVERYBODY IN THE ORGANIZATION to excuse this guy. So he's the only mf who is good? Everybody is else bad but him huh? Give me a break. People knew this dude wasn't it since Bama
@@brianquisiglus2120that’s almost completely false. Bryce has issues his self no doubt but dude literally has the WORSE situation possible. Outside of Derrick Brown who on the panthers is relevant or a big name?? O line is 31st or 32nd like shannon said thelein is boarder line retired and the rest Deonte Johnson hasn’t been close to anything since 2020 Miles sanders was a product of the eagles system Leggette is a rookie and was probably WR10 in the draft. They haven’t built ANYTHING at all around him
@@ladanian560 The Panthers have had one of the best O-lines in the league this season so far statistically. Saying the Panthers receivers are washed is not an argument, they were open the last two weeks, a lot. Almost every bad offensive play this season has been because of poor passing and bad running.
@@polartndra5215 Garder Minshew is statistically a top 3 qb so far does that mean he’s a top 3 qb?? No so stats aren’t everything the panthers O line is probably worse than the chiefs 3rd string that played in that Super Bowl a couple years ago. Their receiving core outside of DJ Moore was who?? And they had 4 maybe 5 different qbs b4 Bryce young was even there. They have no running game bc of what the oline y do you think CMC is gone?? the panthers ain’t even been a threat to anybody since 2016 when Cam was still in his prime and even then they’re O line was barely serviceable.
Organizations like the Panthers ruin talented athletes. All we see is the stats and losses. Coaching and organization matters. Not having the right pieces plays a role. I don’t put this all on Bryce.
@@DamnCam0 The bad o-line that has given up the least amount of pressures through two weeks or the bad receivers who are getting open but he's constantly overthrowing even when he's on the run? Face it his strengths from college haven't translated to the NFL.
Andy Dalton will show how it's mostly just the QB position. A terrible QB makes everyone else looks bad. We have better weapons this year and our OL is doing well
You need to understand that Carolina isn’t in playoff contention and the team is still not ready to compete for the division. Bryce is the least of your problems in Carolina, you can’t just instantly give him up but it was the right decision, you got to develop these qbs right.
They gave Bryce Young a Oline this year. Bryce has 2 1000 yard WRs now. They drafted Leggette. They drafted JT Sanders. They gave him help and he got worse. They gutted their defense to help Bryce this year. Stop the excuses.
Bad take 2 thousand yard receivers?? Thielen not trash but he the worse #1 in the league and been past his prime for 3 years now Diontae Johnson had 1000 yards like 3 years ago and has fell off every year since Leggette was good at SC but he still a rookie and not a Jettas or Chase type rookie the man has bottom 3 weapons in the league put Mahomes at QB and they improve from 2-15 to 6-11 7-10 but they still would be below mid l!
@jacksonhewitt7827 what did he have last year? That's the point. He was picked first overall.... and regressed after he was given a line that is actually functioning. Funny you didn't mention that. But they are in fact 1000 yard receivers in Theilen and Johnson. Compared to last year he had Terrace Marshall who is pretty much out of the league, Mingo, Theilen and DJ Chark. Everything was invested into the line and giving improved weapons on O.
0:48 This is why I no longer watch these debate shows. I don't see Nostradamus anywhere up there. How are they supposed to know? Do they play for the Panthers?
Naa bro they just asked the wrong question it should’ve said is the panthers a bust franchise they traded CMC and DJ Moore for a bag of chips and sand beach buckets they did Bryce extra dirty 🤢
You don't need to be Nostradamus to see what a train wreck the Panthers have been and are. They'll never do anything as long as they have one of the worst, most incompetent owners in the NFL
We were not the worst team when we drafted bryce. We went 7-10. Traded the HOUSE for Bryce and haven’t gotten back to that since. Frank Reich was terrible, rhule was terrible.
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The draft was NEVER about drafting an immediate starter. It's about DEVELOPING the player into being successful in the starting role. The odds of drafting a player that's NFL ready right away is super low.
Well said bro.👊🏿💯
Raymon, we have now become a win at all cost league, there is only today, no tomorrow attitude, the pressure and weight that these players are now carrying is almost unbearable, most thrive, a lot do not.
It depends on the position. It was obvious Brock bowers would make an immediate impact. Adrian Peterson could have made an impact after his freshman year in college and it was easy to see that when he came out. The bosa brothers were obviously NFL ready in the draft.
Obviously qb is different. It needs to be developed.
with the recent draft not really. a lot of COVID year players who are 23 or older are plug and play players. Bo Nix and Michael Penix are finished products, same age as Trevor Lawrence. if Bo Nix sucks (which he currently does) then he’s gonna continue to suck and there’s little to no fine tuning you can do to fix him. both are traditional pocket passers
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Ever since the Panthers cut Cam Newton, they’ve been a dumpster fire of a franchise.
You told not one lie
Since Tepper took over.
Tbh they was a dumpster fire with him
So what.. he was washed
Sinc3 Luke retired
Baker Mayfield is a perfect example of needing time and the right situation.
Facts
Geno too
Bad comparison
Baker threw 27 TDs in 13 starts his rookie season.
They never really rebuild around their QBs
Look at Baker Mayfield and Sam Darnold ever since they left Carolina. The problem more then likely isn't Bryce Young, it's the Carolina Panthers.
Great comment.
One playoff win between them they trash 🗑 too
The owner is the issue. Thats not gonna change for a long time. He doesnt value winning
@@c.p.gentertainment7009Way better than the Panthers organization
@@c.p.gentertainment7009 are you delusional?
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Dom is our batman he’s the hero we need but we don’t deserve 🤣🤣
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Andy Dalton stepped in and IMMEDIATELY lit it up. Same players around him that Young had.
Bryce Young is the problem.
And Andy been in the league how long, he has confidence and he’s comfortable. You sound ignorant
@@austinbennett7049 how long he has been in the league doesn't matter. Do the Panthers want a chance of winning? Then they start Dalton. Young had been horrendous, you also expect more from a #1 pick. Especially with a year of experience. Maybe he'll develop into a decent player, but they can't do what they did the first two games this season on a regular basis. Young was why they stunk on offense. They replaced him, and now they're better. It's that simple.
Has anybody seen the last few Washington games? Bryce is a bust plain and simple. His style is to sling it from different positions and on the run. That doesn’t work in the NFL unless you have a superior arm. Bryce just doesn’t have an NFL arm. He was successful at Alabama because they had superior talent around him. It’s that simple. It was a waisted pick!
He should have been the starter to begin with. Andy has been in the league for like 14 years so I would think he’d be able to immediately look better than Young. Young needs to learn
He has no one to teach him. I'm hoping Dalton can help him.
I was done with this team when Tepper fired Steve Wilks. The one guy over the last two years that united the locker room, impassioned the fans, and made this team competitive. How do you even justify that?
the cardinals screwed over wilks before carolina did.
@@creepycrespi8180and?
I can't remember a black head coach at Carolina, just sayin
I liked Wilkes until he let Mayfield walk. Now look at Baker in our own division 🤦♂️
@@Skinnyorangemusic are you crying wacsism???
“I think your hips are fine” yo lmaoo
Low key!!!!!!!!
Had me rolling....Dom one of those dudes🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
yooooo i just died
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With a straight face
Shay saying Theilen is 24 months younger than him made me spit my drink out 😂
They gave Theilen $14,000,000 guaranteed at age 32. Clown franchise.
@@2011hwalker tbh I love theilen and there’s really nothing wrong w him aside from just getting older….but def not worth $14m guar
@@jlev9391 Yeah he isnt poor but he wasnt worth that pricepoint moving forward.
And he caught nearly every pass that Bryce threw him last year
Baker is 2-0
Darnold is 2-0
And the Panthers dumped them both! 😂
Yep, its the org.
2-0 after years going to different teams still being trash
@@docrhoney9437 Baker Mayfield took the Browns to the playoffs and won a playoff game, and he made the playoffs last year and won a playoff game with the Bucs. How is he trash? You sound dumb af
Duh Cause They’re In Better Situations They Have An OLine That’s Gonna Protect Them & WRs That Are Actual Threats 🗣️💯
@@dawgasszae60 and Baker has Mike Evans and Godwin at wideout, that’s a recipe for success.
Wrong place, wrong time, wrong coaches, wrong teammates. It happens unfortunately.
Fans have no idea of the number of players who flamed out of the league because they had the unfortunate luck if being drafted to the wrong orginization
The worst team gets the number one pick. This fact has killed the careers of most of the first picks since 1967.
The league should hold the Carolina Panthers responsible for consistent dysfunction.
@@Whatshesaid404 They've become the new Cleveland Browns; the Browns are still doing Browns stuff, but at least they're making the play-offs now.
Name a 5'9 qb that isnt mobile have success in the nfl? I'll wait. It's a reason why russ isn't the threat he used to be because he lost his mobility now his lack of height is more of a problem
Us Texans fans kept receipts when the media said Bryce Young was not only better, but was also in a better situation and position to succeed. And they overhyped him so much.
And they said Houston was gonna be trash. Yup I remember that
Texans fans are low class
As a browns fan this is by far worse then the Watson trade. The player that were drafted with the browns picks besides Dell are not very good. and before you say it Anderson was not drafted with a browns pick. The Texans used the browns pick to trade up to get him but if the browns had that pick they still would not have been in position to trade up like the texans did.
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Obviously Bryce is in a terrible situation and they were wrong about that, I do believe that if Stroud went 1 and Bryce 2nd Stroud would be going through the same thing with Carolina and Bryce would be thriving, just goes to show how much a situation really matters
Headline should read "Is David Tepper The No. 1 Worst Owner Ever?"
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EXACTLY
He’s definitely up there with Snyder, Culverhouse, etc.
Thank you
Dan Snyder
CJ Stroud was such an outlier of a performance that now the Colts, Titans, and Panthers are all getting pressure from the media and fans to signal if they drafted the wrong QB.
- Sam Darnold was ruined
- Kyler Murray’s career is tainted
- Baker Mayfield was ruined
- Mac Jones is was given a DC as an OC
- Caleb Williams is next with 0 OL protection
If you’re drafted to a poverty organization expect poverty results. The only QB who shouldn’t have been drafted in the first round the last 4 years is Trey Lance
Exactly these teams need to stop drafting a QB 1st and expect them to come and change lives
Texans only doing well because they surround CJ with help and a coach that actually knows a thing or two
And remember mid way through last year, the media was calling J Love a bust. The flip flopping of Cowherd over 8 weeks is still so unbelievable to watch.
But the Packers are a much better run organization compared to the Panthers.
Kyler Murray’s career is tainted but his stats so far this season is 428 yards passing. 4 touchdowns and a passer rating of 122.9 but his career is tainted. Go look at his previous stats his put up big numbers. Yea granted he hasn’t taken his team to a playoff spot. But he’s moving in the right direction this season to do so.
@@brianmccain8818 the Packers are a lucky organization. I mean super lucky.
As a.colt fan I say shame on booing luck
And remember ar has very few quality reps
Same ppl
Give.him all the slack.
Remember when peyton was throwing record INT
Lol at Dominique “I think your hips are fine” 😂
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Now we know who was in that audio leak 🤣
@@amsey3700it was katt Williams n confirmed.
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He's not the worst pick because he works hard and will continue to develop. The worst pick to this day is Jamarcus Russel. Never cared to improve, ate his way out of shape, never watched film, didn't do anything to make him self better.
Nope! BRYCE PLAYED AT ALABAMA! WAY HIGHER EXPECTATIONS
Yelp @@superemesean5907
The national fixed league will quickly to bench a Black QB but if he was white he wouldn't get bench like Danny Jones the worst quarterback in the league but he doesn't get bench cuz he White
@@superemesean5907 lmao ok? jamarcus played at lsu same expectations lmao he was hyped up so bad just to be lazy and throw picks
In 18 games can you tell me what Bryce has developed at?
Andy Dalton went 26/37 319 and 3 TDs…oh yeah and won the game! So it’s still not Young fault? 😆😆
This comment didn't age well😂😂😂😂
The media is ruthless.
They treated him with kid gloves you call that “ruthless”?! go look at what they did to Tebow who actually won a couple games. Excuses galore.
@@alloutwar650 Timmy is another example, media would rather nit pick the bad than notice any good. Team quit on, Young, Seems he had some expectations from the, Panthers though; Timmy not so much.
@@Racso88e yeah and then they made fun of his religion and virginity so there was that too.. this kid getting a pass
It’s like bullying at this point.
@@alloutwar650 they're scrutinizing his size and manhood, that his boy sized, They're not being easy on him. Timmy was also open about his virginity so I mean he set himself up for that one.
@7:39 Oh he slipped that one in “Your Hips are Fine” 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Slick af lmaooooo
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Petty levels 😂😂😂
Busted out laughing at that 🤣
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He was masked by that Alabama program. Look at the QBs that come from there they don’t amount to much in the NFL!
Worst number one pick?
Jamarcus Russell: “Hold my game film”
What game film
@@jeffcrayton9596*insert Deebo face*
Bryce is not far off his bad throws are insane
Jamarcus Russell did not cost the Raiders a boatload of draft picks to obtain him. The Panthers traded away the number one pick in the draft in 2024, a top-ten pick in 2023, DJ Moore, and other draft picks to get Bryce Young. That is what makes the Bryce Young pick even worse than Jamarcus Russell.
@@briannettles669Valid points
Every game that goes by I’m so happy Mayo and the Pats decided to sit Maye for however long.
Selecting Young over CJ was madness 😂😂
Front office wanted CJ Stroud, but Dave Tepper and his wife wanted Bryce Young. Dave Tepper hasn’t had a winning season since he bought that team in 2019 and cut Cam Newton in 2020. Dude has done nothing but overpaid coaches that he fires in a span of 2 seasons. Tepper is the worst owner in the entire NFL and the entire city of Charlotte NC literally hates this man
Glad they didn't get CJ they would've ruined him
I'm always curious how this narrative sticks. The beat writers have said it's not true and both Scott Fitterer and Frank Reich had made bad QB decisions prior to this.
Yeah Bryce Young Panthers are the worst team I have ever seen. They get shalacked for two years straight no lube.
@@unc54 Nah dude. Dan Morgan has come out and confirmed what Reich said in that press conference… Ownership took control of that selection. Tepper wanted Young. Reich and the majority of his staff believed Stroud was the better option. Guy who writes the cheques has the final say…
Dan Morgan still living off his playing days in Carolina coupled with the scouting days in Seattle where he apparently had a hand in building the Legion of Boom.
As a Bills fan, he was meh. They claim he had a hand in drafting Josh Allen but it’s been reported he had Rosen ahead of Allen; thank goodness that worked out.
The problem in Carolina is the front office and ownership first and foremost. It’s like a less talented Cowboys organization… the owner and his guys wrongfully have their fingers in the pie.
All him and his wife cares about is selling out concerts
The NFL is ruining rookie quarterbacks. They're rookies... they don't know what they're doing! Quarterbacks used to sit for three or four years until they were ready. It's not fair to them.
Most logical comment on here. Bravo
The first time in my life I remember rookie QBs doing well were Flacco and Ryan. Seems like ever since NFL been holding rookies to that expectation, lol.
I'm so happy my Saints are sitting Rattler for like 3-4 years while Carr gets his shine. Hopefully we have a jordan love handoff situation.
Wha are you talking about? The rookies have experience at qb. Rookies are not adapted to the different cultures and the teams of nfl like they were with in college.
Exactly, the first pick always go to the worst teams. You cannot call them bust. The team are busts.
I'm here after Andy Dalton just scored 36 the next game after yall said nobody could win with this team around them..remember this the next time yall pretend to know what you are talking about...
Bryce Young needs to be in an offense similar to the one Mcdaniels runs in Miami. Quick throws and one reads.
Any team that doesn't have the speed combination of Tyreek Hill and Waddle cannot do that.
Even the Dolphins offense gets regularly exposed against good teams.
People are hard on this guy. Man, he's in the worse situation possible outside of Lawrence's first year with Meyer.
Lawrence was still better with Meyer than Young has been
Jared Goff with Jeff Fisher?
People aren't hard enough on Bryce. He's played 18 games and had maybe 2 above-average games. This season he's been pressured the least of any QB in the NFL and the Panthers acquired a starting WR in Diontae Johnson, drafted a WR in the first round in Xavier Legette, brought back Adam Thielen, and yet Bryce has not only not improved but has significantly regressed to unquestionably the worst QB in the league.
@@unc54 I must admit, good points, man.
He’s just so small, literally has to leap to make a throw over the o-line, that’s not sustainable unless your Kyler Murray
The media has no mercy.
They’re vultures
The problem is they don’t let most of these young men sit and develop anymore. Plus, he was put in a bad situation with that team because that organization is a mess. Everyone is rushing to find the next star when they don’t have the supporting cast around them most of the time. I feel sorry for him.
Yes because stroud def joined a super bowl team
Bryce would have struggled anywhere, he doesn't have vision over an OL, doesn't have great arm strength, has average mobility, has poor pocket presence. What more is there to evaluate? Its a good move and they could have moved on from him last year and still been in the right.
Yeah… he’s in accurate, his pre play and during play reads are awful, not athletic, too short, not a powerful arm, terrible decision making. you can see all of this on tape.
It’s silly to me that the notion on Young is that he’s just in a bad position. While that is definitely a contributing factor, it’s not the only reason he’s awful… tape don’t lie.
Keep that Same Energy
I agree with everything Louis Riddick said. They had the structure in place for a quarterback like CJ Stroud but were forced by the owner to draft Bryce
He's short, thin, soft arm, not fast, and was a supposed "elite processor" but he stares into double coverage and serves up easy INTs.... he misses BUBBLE SCREENS and can't even throw quick outs with proper velocity..... yeah this roster has a lot of holes,but Bryce literally takes a bad team and makes them unwatchable, leads the league in off target throws..... last szn when Dalton started in Seattle, it looked like a respectable offense
Yes the Panthers SUCK (thanks Tepper)
But Bryce is still somehow worse
Dude is built like Eddy Piniero, he ain't meant for this life
As a smaller QB you have to have at least one elite trait to survive in this league
If we look at the 3 common example for the short QB in Kyler/Wilson/Brees
Kyler and Wilson have/had *elite* athleticism being able to break contain easily, combine that with Kyler strong arm and Russ having one of the greatest deep ball throw ever you see why they could do things
Brees has unparalleled accuracy and touch and pocket presence as funnily enough was more athletic and bigger than Young
Young is short/small/doesn’t have a big arm/ doesn’t have elite athleticism on the field/ doesn’t process quickly enough at this level/misses easy reads and open throws and can hold on to the ball for too long
An unmitigated disaster at this moment in time and potentially the worst QB ever taken number 1
The bubble screen he expected the wr to run towards the ball to catch it in stride. The main thing I see is him and his receivers are just off. Either he doesn’t know how they like the ball or the timing is off. The other half is his decision making
eddy piniero is crazy lol
@@mattcarberry368 don't forget he has to jump to miss those bubble screens
well.....Andy Dalton just went crazy lol
Yes he did ...#RentFree
He is pretty good and clearly people forgot
This didn't age well 😅
I'm a Panthers fan and I'm embarrassed. The ownership was so *desperate* to get a QB, that they traded their top receiver and their own pick to the Bears for the 1st overall pick. It was so bad, they had the worst record, but the Bears got the pick. Desperation gets you nowhere in life or in sports.
yea they should get rid of the panthers team completely
Peyton had 28 ints in his rookie yr. Just a reminder. Give these guys time to develop b4 writing them off.
Peyton had 26 td and 28 picks. There was a clear upside there that is not there yet
@@briantoplessbar4685 and Bryce had 11 tds and 10 ints as a rookie with not much on offense. Similar but better TD/INT ratio. Give him and all the other guys time AND help.
@@truuee9016Peyton was also 6’5 and could make all the throws. Bryce is 5’9 with average arm strength and limited athleticism for this level. Also Peyton studied and took every rep, even preseason so he could be better. Bryce a good kid, but he needs a mental reset as he is checked out. Watch his interception this past weekend and it looked like he was going cry
Peyton had Marshall Faulk and Marvin Harrison to start his career…..
@@truuee9016 He got help this year and has thrown 245 yards and 3 picks this season.
😂😂😂 Patrick Mahomes sat for 1 year, Aaron Rodgers sat, Tom Brady sat.. QBs need development, stop throwing them out there so fast.
Thank you for mentioning that Steve Wilks was Carolina Panthers was the best situation for them. Tepper made a huge mistake for letting Steve Wilks go for an unjustified 6:11 reason. Tepper #1 problem! Thank you for mentioning that!
Every time you mention that on the Panthers blog the fans say you don’t know anything. I just mentioned that recently and so many of the Panthers fans said I didn’t know anything.
And yet Dalton had 300+ and 3 tds with the same "garbage" receivers and lack of protection.
Molly “I feel bad for asking this”
Proceeds to ask the question without even a stutter😂
molly is the worst
That's women for ya.
Keep that same energy for Caleb Williams when the year ends. Don’t be giving him excuses. He’s in the same position Bryce is in. Terrible ran franchises!
And Justin fields lol
@@dariuswhite2148Justin wasn’t a #1 pick
Except Caleb has weapons bryce doesn't.
Exactly he is so overrated don't make excuses they torched Justin fields.
Got to give Caleb at least one more year but he still won’t be worst than Bryce
7:25 c'mon unc. I think you owe the entire Carolina offense an apology
Adam Thielen was once an X Factor on Madden , lets think about that for a second 😂😂
Adam Theilin is 24 months younger than me! I'm 'bout to be 57 next year 🤣🤣🤣
Adam catching strays lmaoo
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I think he meant years, still funny though nonetheless 😂😂😂
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Who is Roman Doomsday? lol Shannon terrible at saying players names 😂
“I think ya hips are fine” 😂😂😂😂
Bruh It was so smooth how he said it! 😂
I wish he had said that a little louder😂
The worst draft pick/bust is Jamarcus Russell, and it's not even close. Steven A stay off the weed😂
Nope Bryce is the worst. Russell at least had flashes of physical talent. Bryce has nothing mentally or physically. And Panthers gave up a haul to get him, Raiders didn't
@@anon7684the dvd story will always make Russell the worst 1st overall pick. Plus holding out on money.
@anon7684 thats because Bryce is actually trying to produce with a shitty team. Jamarcus never tried. Too busy eating Big Mac's
@@Lakeshow11That what makes Bryce worse, they gave a Haul to get him and he’s trying lmao. Imagine trying and you still suck so bad
Bryce is the worst even zach wilson has shown flashes jamarcus did too but he was lazy with bryce i jus think hes scared or he jus not built for the nfl
This is a perfect example of why you don't play guys before they are ready. Jordan Love couldn't even throw a spiral when he got to Green Bay and looked horrendous even in preseason. He was forced to sit two full years and learn, and then when he was named the starter her struggle a bit but it wasn't a disaster and eventually he turned a corner and is on a path to being a very good player. Had he been thrown out there on Day 1, he's probably working at Wendy's right now just like Bryce will be in a few months.
Correct! Rodger’s was the same way
He actually sat 3 years because this year would have been his fifth. Remember everyone saying he was a bust at week 8 or so then he is a top 5 QB at the end. I loved Cowherd saying he wasn't even a quality back up then in Dec saying GB does it right. Draft when you don't need them. Let them learn. Be patient. Otherwise you are firing coaches and throwing players into new schemes every year (wasn't that Baker's problem at the beginning?)
It's funny that no other NFL team thinks to follow Greenbay's QB development model 😂
@@kp5250 Even one year would be better than what most teams do. You can't throw a guy out there with Adam Thielan being the #1 WR and having a horrible defense and offensive line. I think Bryce Young can still be good he just needs to get traded to the Rams or somewhere like that and mentally recover for a year or two, and then try again. Calling him a bust is BS you could put Mahomes on that team and they would still have a losing record.
Stephen A's hairline is the biggest bust in ESPN history😂😂😂😂😂
Realshit
He's securing the borders
and his racist rhetoric especially when Danny O is around
@@ryanwills-37oh b quiet holla back when your race was enslaved for over 200 years non black ppl want to scream racism so bad lol
That’s a good one😂😂😂
JaMarcus Russell was the worst number one pick ever and it's not even close.
He won games unfortunately lol Bryce hasn't
exactly he never cared
@@Jayoplanternthats worse he didnt even try and was lazy off the lean and was still better than bryce lol
@@elvergudo9355 no he was not stop the BS
You know Russell has better numbers than Young right now and better efficiency numbers lol
And this was in a definitively harder era to play QB
He's 5'9", 170lbs, not accurate, can't run, doesn't have a strong arm. What were the Panthers thinking? As a Houstonian, we give thanks to the Panthers for Panthering their 1st pick that year.
You can't grade Alabama QB's under Nick Saban, the same way you grade QB's from other institutions. On a scale of 1-100, you have to substract 15-20 points on the grade u have for them...
Why not.
At Bama, with great coaching and talent Young won the heisman, in college with great coaching and talent, Stroud lost to Michigan twice
dude as a Panthers fan i was literally screaming and crying inside the moment all those drafting Bryce rumors were swirling, because when the trade was announced most people seemed to assume it must be for CJ
saw this coming from miles away and it's been absolutely painful and depressing to watch play out..... like HOW THE *#@ did ANYONE think this dude was built for this lol the guy can't even throw a quick out properly, it's unwatchable.... i saw Chris Weinke, i saw Jimmy Clausen, this has been worse
Not accurate is a stretch cant run is just false and he has a average to above average arm. Stop hating bruh😂
@@yanks2661Michigan was cheating
Sam Darnold in his final season in Carolina: 4-2 QB record, 7 TDs, 3 Ints, 13.9 yards per completion, 92.6 passer rating
Baker Mayfield final season in Cleveland: 83.1 passer rating; six games with Carolina: 79.1 passer rating
Let's not act like it's entirely Carolina's fault. The owner is toxic. But Young has been terrible and if you think he'll magically become great going to another team, you're wrong
I'm so glad there is at least one person with a brain in this chat. I completely agree with you. It's insane they try to blame it all on Carolina as an organization!
There is nothing about watching him play that indicates he deserves to be in the NFL at all, never mind the #1 pick overall. I think fans forget that every team is breaking down tape hard; there's no hiding that Bryce looks terrible. Fans can chatter all they want, the professionals know what's up.
They drafted him. Thats why Reddick said they’ve been terrible as an org from the very start. No way you actually do your homework and draft him over Stroud or Richardson. Thats on them
Exactly!! There’s footage of his play right in this video…David Tepper isn’t the one going out there and making those godawful throws
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So panthers evaluated him wrong as the number one pick completely wrong ....so what did all the so called media experts do at espn do? How was he the consensus no 1 pick if he literally has no special attribute as a qb...
I think the dude has people in the right spot that he knows. He was never good enough to get the hype he got
CJ Stroud was in a great situation and tbh if CJ Stroud was in Carolina he would be in the same situation
@@BrickBabyYaya stop embarrassing yourself son
Because people look at the simple stats more than anything and the stigma behind Ohio State QBs, basically. They also failed to recognize that Bryce's game would not translate over to the pros, considering he needed 5+ seconds to throw the ball and elite receivers to succeed.
@@DigontoZahid-lc7kt Tell me what Bryce has in Carolina?? You don't know sports if you disagree
Im waiting for him to go to another team and actually play well
Fax
You will be waiting until the end of time to see this guy string together a full season that's good.
This guy can't even put 3 good quarters together. His record is 2.
@@WerdUp13just like darnold and mayfield huh?
@@WerdUp13because neither of them had a good season or even an exceptional season. They were benched for a reason
@@lendesdail4304 Sam Darnold started out hot with like 900 yards and 3 to 1 TD to INT ration in Carolina as well. He had good streaks in NY too. He just has never been able to put a full season together.
Baker has also been solid, he just got injured. Glad to see he is healthy.
If you're going to comment, at least know what you're talking about.
As many others stated, the NFL does not develop quarterbacks anymore. We expect the number one pick to go to the worst team in the league and save the franchise. The odds that that's going to happen are very little. In two or three years, I would not be surprised if Bryce Young goes to another team and leads them to a playoff appearance because that's how long it takes to properly develop a quarterback.
1st overall picks are expected to show SOME SIGNS of being a star player no matter how bad the team is. #1 overall has different expectations and standards you’re supposed to be special.
Panthers traded up from 9 and actually ended the season before on a hot streak. They weren't the worst team in the NFL.
In fact they were the popular pick for a wild card if they got a decent QB in.
BY was labeled as the most pro ready QB possibly ever. Unfortunately his physical skills have been exposed as not good enough at this level. Happens to great college players all the time in all sports.
In a world where JaMarcus Russell and Ryan Leaf exist, Bryce isn’t anywhere near the biggest bust. The franchise that drafted him is hurting him.
Ryan Leaf wasnt #1 pick and Bryce's performance is worse than Russell's through both players first 18 games and it isnt even close.
Bryce Young is cheeks 😂
Nah he’s right there with them 5’10 160lbs man tiny guy
leaf went #2 behind Peyton Manning lol wtf
Jamarcus Russell is the biggest bust because there was so much hype about him. Young was questionable no. 1 pick to begin with.
Look how Mahomes started his career he had Tyreek Hill, Kelce, Kareem Hunt, Sammy Watkins to start his career and a HOF coach to go with all that! That doesn’t get mentioned enough
Imagine if he was drafted by the Bears
@@ghettomt Bears don’t have a HOF coach
Mahomes wasn’t a number one pick . So duh he got into a good situation
@@Yut-vs7zg Mahomes was pick #10 so not that far off my guy. No QB picked in the top 10 goes to the situation Mahomes went into. An already playoff contender, with multiple pro bowlers and HOF players on offense, and a HOF coach!
Chiefs were the perfect place for Mahomes to sit a year behind a veteran quarterback on a playoff team. More rookies need to sit out a year.
Your videos are always so helpful, thank you!
"Bryce Young is the WORST possible pick ever"
JaMarcus Russell, Ryan Leaf, Josh Rosen: "Hold Our Beer" 😂😂😂
Josh Rosen wasn’t a top 5 pick so he isn’t as bad
Bryce young is so much worse of a pick than josh Rosen
Well at least Rosen can say he wasn't the number 1 pick 😶
Prolly even worse than Ryan leaf and maybe even Jamarcus just because of how much the panthers gave up for him
@@loikmacfarlane4067 Josh Rosen played on 8 different teams in 5 years bro. If you think Bryce Young is WORSE than Josh Rosen....you must be Josh Rosen or you're related to him. 🤣🤣🤣
No Line, No receivers, No Running backs. No team. Trade him to a team who can develop. He will be fine
Bryce Young should have not been the #1 pick
That owner doesn't have a clue what he is doing.
Exactly! He's an idiot with billions!
For sure. The head coach has no clue what he’s doing either lol. He probably knows he getting fired
Yeah all of that is true, but Bryce Young is still trash.
I'm so glad Shannon Sharpe got up and told the truth. Bryce Young hasn't played well at all - but at the same time, they have not given him anywhere NEAR the tools he needs to strive. You can't go get successful QBs that had offensive talent and them expect them to turn bronze into gold.. I like Adam Theilan, but he ain't a Steffon Diggs.
Shannon Sharpe gave an outdated opinion. The Panthers invested heavily into the offense this offseason. They spent a lot of money on offensive guards, traded for Diontae Johnson, drafted Xavier Legette in the first round, drafted a TE in the 4th, and a RB in the 2nd (who is currently on PUP but nonetheless still an investment). And through the first two weeks the offensive line has allowed the least amount of pressure and on film receivers are getting open. It's not unfair to expect Bryce to look better than the worst QB in the league.
@@unc54Thank you for actually being informed & not a sheep.
@@unc54yeah as bad as the team is he might be the worst player on it…kind of a disaster for Carolina the offense is just painful to watch
@@unc54thank you for not being a mainstream media idiot
@@unc54 what is their offensive identity?
When you are 5’9” you have to do at least have a couple of physical skills that are above average to overcompensate for being short. He has a below average arm and he’s not mobile. Look at Kyler Murray. He has elite mobility and can rocket of an arm. If Bryce was drafted 15 years ago he would have went undrafted.
His arm is not below average. He makes the wrong decisions in trying to make a play and not take the check down. This is not to blame on his height at all
15 years ago he wouldn't have been able to start in the second either. The new rules have allowed these tiny qbs to get on the field
Stop saying he doesn't have protection, ask the oline or look at the tape. Andy Dalton came in last year and put up 360 yards with the same offense Bryce had. The fault of the organization is drafting him and paying him over 24 million guaranteed with his physical tools. I want to hear the same talk if Andy gets the offense moving and the weapons are putting up numbers...hmmm
Exactly
Andy Dalton is no longer term answer but he is a legitimate NFL QB. Bryce simply is to small and has to weak of an arm. You can see it in games, he has interceptions because the ball sails on on. In college he played with the best talent on his team. Only 2-3 times a year did he play against a team that could challenge Bama’s talent.
In fairness to Bryce. Baker and Sam Darnold so far have been doing well since leaving the panthers. So there is some hope for Bryce.
I won’t lie….having the lead for only 10 seconds is actually pretty remarkable. Like did we kick a FG and then give up a kick return? That’s actually funny to me.
LoL 😂😂😂😂
Funny enough, I think the 10 seconds were because they scored at the end to beat the Texans lol
@@matthewelmore6567didn't the Panthers beat the Falcons that same year? I thought they held the lead longer
I make better content
@@matthewelmore6567 ahhhhh you know that actually makes the most sense.
I'd like to see Bryce Young and Mac Jones both get another chance down the road in better situations kind of like Geno with Seattle.
Mac Jones got another chance as a backup and nonstop stories about how everyone hates the guy.
ESPN creates the most disparaging headlines for young athletes. Talk about the ownership of the team. Is this the worst owner of a NFL team?
He's already tied Dan Snyder in less than half the time. That is an accomplishment.
Yeah he is the worst but mostly because he was the one that wanted Bryce Young.
Terrible choice by the owner.
I remember EA trying to gaslight everyone by giving Bryce Young an 84 in ultimate teams and giving him out for free.
Weird audio 4:18 sounds like ig live..
😂
That’s my Michelle
That's Shannon
That’s Shannon Sharpe going “mhm” in a high pitched tone lol
@@c0rder0no it's not. That's "SHAY SHAY". 😅😅
Awesome video, looking forward to the next one!
No one will ever outdo Jamarcus Russell. Imagine being drafted to a bad team and they trade away everything good on the team to draft you. Even Mahomes would suffer in Carolina
Mahomes would flourish anywhere! He would will the panthers to winning! WTF you talking about
The Panthers o-line this season has allowed the least pressure in the first two weeks and the main passing weapons are Dionate Johnson, Xavier Legette, and Adam Thielen. You would be foolish to think Mahomes couldn't win 10 games with the Panthers.
@@superemesean5907Mahomes doesn’t have 3 rings without Andy and Kelce.
@@jimmymcfly9822 Kelce and Andy aren’t 3 time SB winners if they didn’t draft Mahomes what are u talking about lol 😂
@@AyeCoby You’re absolutely right and that’s my point. Situation matters. If Mahomes was drafted to the absolute worst team in the league, he might still be good but he landed in the perfect situation. Didn’t have to start his first year, crazy talent around him and a coach that maximizes his talent.
9:37 what r we talking about burrow and Allen both did not go into a good situation Allen was in a okay 1 and burrow was in a bad 1
The same people that promote him up before the draft on ESPN; now they blame on the organization.
I remember when all you sportscaster’s were picking Young over Stroud as for who you would pick with the 1st pick of that draft. He was small af back then too, idk how this is surprising lol
espn hosts are braindead
Any QB in that situation, would garner the same results...
Except for Josh Allen
@@bigskiibop4147 Yep agreed Allen would break records for turnovers with the Panthers
@@richardolney1822he’d sit himself out these guys are delusional
He has a top 5 OL right now and a HC/System that helped salvage Baker and Geno.
Noone is asking him to win a SB but that is more than enough to not be the absolute worst QB in the NFL.
@@WerdUp13 The Panthers o-line is ranked 20th. Where did you get 5th?
No disrespect to Bryce Young, but why do teams keep going to Alabama to pick a QB. Top quarterbacks don’t go to Alabama
Because Bryce is good. G
Imo you need your QB not to have unlimited riches in college and become spoiled and not actually having to learn the nuances of being a QB in terms of reading coverages, going through your progressions and getting the ball out at times
Most times great QBs often come from schools where the team in college wasn’t stacked with WRs/RBs and OL and with Alabama for the last 15 years they’ve had all 3
It's the Panthers fault, look what Sam & Baker are doing since leaving but I do agree with what you're saying
By that logic it made no sense to draft Stroud because Ohio State QBs had been busts until then.
Tua? Hurts?
To me no. He's another Tim couch and David Carr drafted into a bad situation
It's very true that the Panthers organization is doing him no favors but what's the excuse for him missing wide open receivers during the chargers game this past weekend? What's the excuse for him getting the least amount of quarterback pressure this weekend and still running himself into sacks
He's not good at all, and was overhyped because he played for Alabama. He was never better than Stroud.
Those are horrible comparisons. Tim Couch and David Carr both had rocket arms. Bryce Young can't throw a ball father than 30 yards with any zip.
Our OL allowed the least pressures this past week. Still awful
Look at sam darnold now. Everyone said the same things about him. The panthers have the worst ownership in the nfl bar none dont blame a 22 year old kid for not bailing out a billion dollar corporation @jaliel0007
There’s a lot of pressure being a no.1 pick. I feel bad for Bryce Young
Okay, so genuine question: what is the narrative going to be if Andy Dalton throws for 250+ yds and is at least competitive against the Raiders this Sunday?
I love Bryce as a human and want to see him succeed - I have 2 Young jerseys - but his play has been so bad these first two weeks that it has been impossible to evaluate our offense. He is missing open guys left and right, whether due to a poor throw, not throwing, or not seeing the WR. Even our OL is much improved per the PFF ratings.
They'll ignore it. They don't pay attention to the Panthers until news like this drops and then they just lean on outdated narratives. If they did they'd know that Andy Dalton in his single start last year gave a better performance than Bryce Young did in the other 16 games.
Dalton will beat the Raiders, classic coach trying to save his job by putting in the vet
that's literally what happened in Seattle last year with Dalton (340 yds 2 TD, something like that) and almost every receiver magically had their best game of the season lol
anyone who can't see it by now just doesn't understand what they see when they watch football, this is as simple as it gets.... Bryce ain't built for this, never was
He showed his processing ability in the 1st quarter on Sunday when the Panthers were in field goal range. On 3rd down, he ran backwards & sideways & then with ample time to throw the ball away, he decided to take a sack...taking the team out of FG range. Unfortunately, he's not a great processor either.
That's the thing. He was drafted for pretty much no reason (over Stroud) other than processing and ability to read through your options quickly and effectively. He rarely makes a play-saving decision, and actively hurts the team with instances like this. Maybe he just lost his mojo after a really rough year but you'd think you'd see at the very least some flashes of greatness.
The highlights of the bad throws from Bryce Young were hard to watch tbh lmao. 😂
It bothers me that they show these highlights where he clearly is the main problem and then just spend the whole segment blaming the Panthers. The Panthers obviously hold a lot of responsibility but at some point you need to realize Bryce is the one missing open throws, making bad reads, and taking bad sacks.
@@unc54his confidence is so destroyed he was about to start crying also he’s had 3 coaches in 2 years with 3 different systems with no weapons and an O line that’s actively trying to get him killed
@@Nick_T_90the OL is top 5 right now through 2 weeks?
It's like people are not paying attention and are just creating an echo chamber of false excuses to justify their pre draft love of they guy.
The OL is not a problem. I repeat the OL is playing well and has given up the least amount of pressures in the NFL.
@@WerdUp13lol u said top 5 in the league well see how long that lasts
@@AdamMcnabb-g59 it doesn't matter how long it lasts. BY just played two games with one the highest graded pass blocking units in the NFL and failed miserably.
Loved this video, keep up the great work!
Unc said 24 months 💀😂 5:55
People forget the Texans were a joke and laughing stock with no talent. Then again in comes CJ Stroud…
You should thx the coach. He is a big part of it.
Facts. Nico Collins wasn’t what he is now when CJ Stroud was drafted. Tank Dell was also a rookie.
@@LyleGibbs Love Demeco!
That's why I don't want to hear all these excuses
"I think your hips are fine..." 😂
Mahomes’ success have given NFL fans unrealistic expectations. And even he couldn’t have been drafted into a better situation. The overwhelming majority of young QBs need time.
Look. Mahomes had Andy Reid, a veteran QB whos a class act, as well a stable organization. Not to mention Mahomes has grown into this dynamic QB....Oh, yeah, Tyrique Hill was drafted for him. Clearly not the same comparison my guy.
@@taraross8044You’re saying the same thing I did lol. You just listed the people involved. Fans and media expect that kind of production from jump. And that’s unrealistic 99% of the time
How many 1st rd QBs the Browns had in the past that bust? I doubt he's the worst
Brandon weeden was 29 😂 first round pick
And even worse
Dallas traded for him a few years later
@@_Stilo I was thinking Tim Couch
@@mr80smike ya bro! He was a bust!! When tim c. Blew up at a reporter in the locker room
That was the bust sign lol
@@_Stilo the infamous Ryan Leaf
@@mr80smike oh ya ! Good 1 bro!
They mention Bryce's name 1 million times and only mention Tepper (the REAL problem) once... Good job, Disney/ESPN. At least Shannon understands on Nightcap.
JaMarcus Russell people??
Yes
Ryan leaf?
Bryce Young is the scapegoat in all of this. It is an unmitigated disaster bec these are billionaire's problems, tbey need someone to take the fall for it. Poor Bryce Young
You people are so pathetic. All of y'all are blaming literally EVERYBODY IN THE ORGANIZATION to excuse this guy. So he's the only mf who is good? Everybody is else bad but him huh? Give me a break. People knew this dude wasn't it since Bama
There's no talent in Carolina either. Don't blame the QB
Its the QB bro. You gotta make everybody better. Your the reason we win & your the reason we lose.
@@brianquisiglus2120that’s almost completely false. Bryce has issues his self no doubt but dude literally has the WORSE situation possible. Outside of Derrick Brown who on the panthers is relevant or a big name?? O line is 31st or 32nd like shannon said thelein is boarder line retired and the rest Deonte Johnson hasn’t been close to anything since 2020 Miles sanders was a product of the eagles system Leggette is a rookie and was probably WR10 in the draft. They haven’t built ANYTHING at all around him
@@ladanian560 The Panthers have had one of the best O-lines in the league this season so far statistically. Saying the Panthers receivers are washed is not an argument, they were open the last two weeks, a lot. Almost every bad offensive play this season has been because of poor passing and bad running.
@@polartndra5215 Garder Minshew is statistically a top 3 qb so far does that mean he’s a top 3 qb?? No so stats aren’t everything the panthers O line is probably worse than the chiefs 3rd string that played in that Super Bowl a couple years ago. Their receiving core outside of DJ Moore was who?? And they had 4 maybe 5 different qbs b4 Bryce young was even there. They have no running game bc of what the oline y do you think CMC is gone?? the panthers ain’t even been a threat to anybody since 2016 when Cam was still in his prime and even then they’re O line was barely serviceable.
I disagree talent mingo, Sanders,brooks, Johnson, Adam,legette
Organizations like the Panthers ruin talented athletes. All we see is the stats and losses. Coaching and organization matters. Not having the right pieces plays a role. I don’t put this all on Bryce.
What does Bryce do really well on the football field? What stands out? What's he known for?
@@jemazondo9331improvisation skills and making plays out of nothing but it’s hard to do with bad o line and bad recievers
@@DamnCam0 The bad o-line that has given up the least amount of pressures through two weeks or the bad receivers who are getting open but he's constantly overthrowing even when he's on the run?
Face it his strengths from college haven't translated to the NFL.
When Diontae Johnson Adam Theilen and Xavier Legette is no weapons... Yeah okay lol
But what is Bryce Young actually good at though? I can’t name a single redeeming quality
Andy Dalton will show how it's mostly just the QB position. A terrible QB makes everyone else looks bad. We have better weapons this year and our OL is doing well
Exactly they are not watching the games lol. Bryce is simply not it.
Bro our offense sucks
You need to understand that Carolina isn’t in playoff contention and the team is still not ready to compete for the division. Bryce is the least of your problems in Carolina, you can’t just instantly give him up but it was the right decision, you got to develop these qbs right.
@royalty843 yaw drafted Mingo and Leggete and drafted a RB this year.
@@jasonhuynh8561 we had the least pressures this past week and he still only threw 80 yards in 18 completions..
They gave Bryce Young a Oline this year. Bryce has 2 1000 yard WRs now. They drafted Leggette. They drafted JT Sanders. They gave him help and he got worse. They gutted their defense to help Bryce this year. Stop the excuses.
Bad take 2 thousand yard receivers?? Thielen not trash but he the worse #1 in the league and been past his prime for 3 years now Diontae Johnson had 1000 yards like 3 years ago and has fell off every year since Leggette was good at SC but he still a rookie and not a Jettas or Chase type rookie the man has bottom 3 weapons in the league put Mahomes at QB and they improve from 2-15 to 6-11 7-10 but they still would be below mid l!
@jacksonhewitt7827 what did he have last year? That's the point. He was picked first overall.... and regressed after he was given a line that is actually functioning. Funny you didn't mention that. But they are in fact 1000 yard receivers in Theilen and Johnson. Compared to last year he had Terrace Marshall who is pretty much out of the league, Mingo, Theilen and DJ Chark. Everything was invested into the line and giving improved weapons on O.
Some of you in this comment section acting like Sam Darnold is elite after two games...........I'm done 💀💀💀💀
0:48 This is why I no longer watch these debate shows. I don't see Nostradamus anywhere up there. How are they supposed to know? Do they play for the Panthers?
They don’t play for the panthers but they have inside info that we don’t
Naa bro they just asked the wrong question it should’ve said is the panthers a bust franchise they traded CMC and DJ Moore for a bag of chips and sand beach buckets they did Bryce extra dirty 🤢
You don't need to be Nostradamus to see what a train wreck the Panthers have been and are. They'll never do anything as long as they have one of the worst, most incompetent owners in the NFL
U must be a panthers fan😅😅😅
@@carlnapier8817 Raiders
We were not the worst team when we drafted bryce. We went 7-10. Traded the HOUSE for Bryce and haven’t gotten back to that since. Frank Reich was terrible, rhule was terrible.
Loved the content, keep it coming!