I was just about to say the same thing. While I feel like it made the orthography section more confusing (I spent way too long trying to figure out why someone would make a language that’s virtually impossible to write without markers), I‘ve never had a video in recent memory punch me in the stomach with words the same way the minecraft bit did.
I decided make a language optimal for Minecraft as well. I just started it, but so far I have wwwqwaew Aw dsdww aews wwaSe awwqqd wwaSa Deaaqsw which means Dirt drops as an item when broken with any tool or by hand, but a shovel is the quickest way to break it. since I've been translating the Minecraft wiki. All the keys in the writing system are right where java edition players would put their left hand. The sentence more literally means (any tool) (or) (hand) (kills) (dirt block) (becomes) (dirt item). (shovel best) Its not completely optimal, but probably too compact to easily identify mistakes while typing or to easily correct errors while reading.
@@infiniteplanes5775 thats an actually interesting idea, although maybe a program to traslate it to english (or whatever) would be more useful than learning to read it. How did you come up with the words?
@@samuelwaller4924 I used a program to generate strings of characters. I gauged how many characters would be needed by how fast I could type it compared to typing the english equivalent. And a program to translate it into English is a good idea, not _too_ hard to pull off either since I decided to redo most of it.
I must say the segment from 7:49 to 8:26 when you "realize" there are no third-person pronouns is beautifully executed. It doesn't feel cringey or scripted.
@@Nerdy1729 because of trying to be funny (failing) and wasting time. Also like saying it is a vital part of a language (when many languages don't have them). There should be no "pronouns sections" much as he doesn't have an "adverbs section".
*VOTGIL VOTGIL VOTGIL IM A BIT EXCITED IM A BIT EXCITED IM A IM A BIT EXCITED BECAUSE VOTGIL HAS SO MANY VOWELS S-SO MANY VOWELS S-SO MANY SO MANY VOWELS*
Vötgil is not really "anti-english", a more accurate name for the language is: vöt(c)gil(c)san(t)ap(t)vlir(t)sing(b)es(p)u(t)vom(b)con(c)lang(c)cri(c)tic(c)vlim(p)kay(f)dan(f)zhna(f)point(f)vlim(p)ga(f)sna(f)ga(f)
@@-NGC-6302- They're phonemic hats. (f) = Fedora (t) = Top hat (b) = Baseball cap (p) = Pangolin-shaped hat (one can also use a turkey-shaped hat, but a person who does this is seen as untrustworthy)
@@sofijeffrey9797 "It would sound something like this. Even though it might sound strange, it is still almost completely understandable to native English speakers." Also, the word you were looking for was "transcribe", not "transliterate".
There are also - at least in my RP-ish dialect - some of the classic noun-verb=unvoiced-voiced pairs (like advice/advise or proof/prove). wreath/wreathe; loath/loathe ; teeth/teethe; sheath/sheathe; mouth(n)/mouth(v); sooth/soothe. [it always grates on me that marinate/marinade is the "wrong" way round]
The American dialect has the same pairs. I've never heard anyone say "sooth", however. The only places I've even seen it written are in the Wycliffe Bible (which predates even the KJV) and when people try too hard to sound old-timey. (For sooth!)
His example at around 3:20 where he says "it's still understandable for most native english speakers" made me blush a little with self pride Cuz i'm not a native english speaker And i'm self taught, so this is very important to me thanks jan misali
What makes it inconvenient for typing? Those are easy. ...what do you _mean_ normal people don't have a binding for ðÐ and a way to type diæreses‽ *_INTERROBANGS TOO‽_*
I have added dead keys for ¯ ~ ˇ ^ ˘ ¸ ˛ . ˙ - ¨ ` ´ ˚ ̡ so I can type a lot of different letters. Then I've added letters ß ð þ ə ø æ œ through AltGr.
@@samschannel531 though the þ character looks like p and b combined and probably not as quick yo write.a nd you you see þorn if people saw þ as p instead imagine the reaction.
I have no idea. I created a script for hexadecimal numerals that is also based on 4 bit binary symbology, and can I guess be extended to write text by pairing the symbols, but even my script is moderately impractical so I ended up dumping it. It was however originally designed to be written in pen, and it's also written so that every single character can technically be written as a single penstroke. (I modified the later versions of the symbols both to make this easier, and to make the characters less symmetrical.) You can imagine the script easily enough by taking approximating it like this: (these are of course latin script, but they are visually similar enough to the way the characters are written to get the point across) | =0, b = 1, p = 2, B = 3, d = 4 The remaining characters can't really be represented with existing characters. But as a rough approximation db = 5 You can see where this leads, and how it's similar in basic logic to the system used by the Votgil script (and is in fact a simple binary count of 'on and off' portions lumped together into a single symbol). The difference with my systems is mine was first and foremost designed to be written with a pen, and secondly it's original purpose is a system to write base 16 numbers in a way that is completely distinct from base 10 arabic numerals. As such, the fact that the characters essentially count up in binary isn't so strange. The modified forms contain some alterations that are harder to mimic using standard symbols, but the point of them was to make the character set less symmetrical. A requirement I had because I wanted to be able to use them in both right to left and left to right ordering while having the character set itself clearly indicate which writing direction was in use, and that meant the fact that some of the original characters were vertically mirrored versions of other characters was problematic. In any event, given the similar logical basis, I suppose you could adapt my characters as one way to write Votgil script using a pen. It'd certainly be more efficient than other ways of doing it...
8:33 You know, Latin didn't really have 3rd person pronouns, opting for the demonstrative pronouns in these contexts. And (even though technically it doesn't even a "pronoun" PoS) the Japanese words "kare", "kanojo" and "karera" which are normally translated as "he", "she" and "they" literally come from old demonstratives for things that are far away. Using "that" or "this" instead of a 3rd person pronoun is perfectly acceptable. In fact, in my own native language it happens quite often (even though in it it's with a bit of a disrespectful/casual connotation). And I know of a few other languages that have the same thing happen there as well. Omitting 3rd person pronouns makes a lot of sense for a minimalist language.
Yeah, it might be ok for a conlang to not have third person pronouns, but not for a language that: 1. Is supposed to be a simplified version of English, which he, she, and they all know has 3rd person pronouns 2. Is supposed to be an IAL (most languages have some form of third person pronouns) 3. Doesn’t specifically mention this key feature anywhere, acts like it isn’t there, and has no way to replace them
Well, Latin is strange, because it does have third person pronouns but they’re often used the same way in which demonstrative are used. Still the series seems to be pretty conclusively like pronouns, and it is distinct from the three series of demonstratives (translating to this/here, that/there, yon/yonder), the proximal, distal, and medial demonstratives. doesn’t include that aspect of perspective in a frame of reference.
0:08 Vötgil! I'm a bit excited, because this episode is the first in a few ways 0:43 A simplified version of English. The point of Vötgil 1:14 m, n, ng 7:04 and since Vötgil has so many vowels, those languages
I speak German, Dutch and English, and to my ears, it sounded nothing like German. it DID sound like someone speaking in a heavy French accent. Not a proper French accent mind you, but the silly, put on french accent British comedians like to use.
You accidentally said something cool about Votgil right at the end Adding actual encrypted lore to Minecraft sounds like a good idea. Rather they used English-in-hexadecimal-Unicode though, since we already have 16 colors of terracotta.
Edit: this guys guys isn't that bad, I rescind some of my criticism Yeah, designing the language to work with Minecraft instead of Pen or Keyboard is definitely one of the more spit-take inducing elements of the language when I saw his video on his Esperantanaso channel. But then again, I guess kids playing Minecraft would be naive enough to get on board his mediocre, English-but-fixed Auxlang.
@@OtakuUnitedStudio PogChamp originates from this 2010 video (th-cam.com/video/g9TNY75jhcs/w-d-xo.html) and it's a shortened form of "pog championship", referring to the game Pogs which was popular in the 90s (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milk_caps_(game)), named after the POG fruit drink which was first produced in 1971 (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pog_(drink)). "play of game" is a stupid backronym - 1971 was undoubtedly before 2012.
2:40 "And you can still speak Engwish wecognizably wis only ZESE consonants." I dodt tidk so, I beed, zou koud ty, but it boud be adbost udidteddizabde.
here's a post listing the next few upcoming episodes, in case you want to know: toki-ito-li-pona.tumblr.com/post/150943999562/the-next-few-conlang-critic-episodes
(4:35) Personally, I would find it better if Vötgil changed A /æ/ to Ä and Ö /ɑ/ to A. This from a Swedish speaker, where E is used for /e~ɛ/ and Ä for /ɛ~æ/, and Ö for /ø~œ/, so this change would help me at least. "¨" is used to mark a fronted version of a vowel, so Ö is a front O, that is a rounded E. Ä would in this case be a fronted A, and since Vötgil (or Vatgil in this case) uses unrounded back /ɑ/, the front would be an unrounded front /æ/.
Was wondering what you thought of Pegakibo. It's on TH-cam. I think it's a fluid-S language. It's presented as being extremely simple, but I wonder how you could say anything besides simple SVO sentences in it.
“It’s optimized for communication in Minecraft” Hol up, what? I swear, this conlang was made by me 6 years ago when I was just beginning to learn about language, and I was obsessed with Minecraft. Why don’t I remember doing this?
@@FieldLing639 Not a very good example, for two reasons. 1. "This'll" is a contraction, so when going for examples of pairs of words, it's not the best choice. 2. Thistle and This'll might seem to be pronouced the same way, but you'll notice that many people will actually voice contractions, by making ' a stop. So it might look like /θɪsl̩/ vs /ðɪsʔl̩/. Still, my Breathe/Breath example wasn't the best, considering they don't even use the same vowels, so distinguishing them is pretty easy.
the simplified pronunciation parts were a fave of mine, the first one sounds like a very french accent, and the second sounds like an eastern asian accent! so interesting, but all perfectly understandable and usable by english speakers x
2:10 the theta one is slightly more common, I believe. Edit: And I checked my comment 1 year later, and I checked UPSID. 13% have [θ], but only %8.7 have [ð].
/h/ can be confused for /f/ (as we've all learnt), f can be confused for /θ/, which is quite similar to /s/, which is rarely distinguished with by /z/ which is very similar to /ʒ/, which is very similar to /ɮ/, which is very similar to /l/, which is not distinguished in Japanese with the sound /r/ which is quite similar to the English sound [ɹ], which is an approximant, therefore, /h/ is a glottal approximant.
the joke is that he spelled the word as glotal, instead of glottal, /h/ is frequently considered an approximant (or more accurately "bare phonation" or an unsyllabic voiceless equivalent of the next vowel) rather than fricative in English and many languages of Europe.
Two thoughts unrelated to the video: *Someone should invent a conlang optimized for compressibility. As in ".zip" file compression. *Or maybe a "lossy" compression algorithm for language. After compression & decompression, the result has the same rough meaning, but isn't exactly the original text.
since the vocabulary of toki pona consist of less that 256 words, you can assign one single byte per word, making it the most easily compressed language in the world
Not every language has 3p pronouns - some just use "this" and "that". Like your favorite language, Toki Pona. Oh, and can I compliment your lovely minimalist English while I'm here?
Conlang Critic distal human "This/That". basically the equivalent of Esperanto "Tiu" (rather than ŝi/li/ĝi). I don't have any other examples, but it's the kind of substitute most no-third-person languages have (a few of my Conlangs). Vötgil, as far as I'm aware, doesn't have this either - so your point still stands
Ok, I figured out how to write votgil using pencil and paper. So what you need to do is buy 4 pencils (no 1, no 2, no 2.5, and no 3) then when writing, quickly switch between each pencil. No 1 is black, no 2 is grey, no 2.5 is light grey, and no 3 is white.
![[TH] VCT Masters Shanghai Playoffs - Grand Finals // GEN vs TH](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/HL-hhLrtctw/mqdefault.jpg)
still can't get over how vötgil's name literally means *_englishn't_*
Now you have your English language and your Englishn’t language! What more can a person ask for?
@@yarlodek5842 Englishn'tn't
Iqglic’nt
@@pqbdwmnu english>
you mean Iqglicn't
"it's optimized for communication in minecraft"
tfw you forget signs exist and create a language
for comunication in a distance
Minecraft has a chat feature.
Peter Auto How would this help at a distance? Do you think minecraft has fucking laser pulsers?
It was a stated objective. What if that was the goal from the beginning?
@@leotamer5 maybe it didn't have one at the time, or they guy just wasn't aware it existed?
I fucking love how he left the Minecraft thing completely unspoken about, and just let it slip in there naturally.
I was just about to say the same thing. While I feel like it made the orthography section more confusing (I spent way too long trying to figure out why someone would make a language that’s virtually impossible to write without markers), I‘ve never had a video in recent memory punch me in the stomach with words the same way the minecraft bit did.
I decided make a language optimal for Minecraft as well. I just started it, but so far I have
wwwqwaew Aw dsdww aews wwaSe awwqqd wwaSa Deaaqsw
which means
Dirt drops as an item when broken with any tool or by hand, but a shovel is the quickest way to break it.
since I've been translating the Minecraft wiki. All the keys in the writing system are right where java edition players would put their left hand.
The sentence more literally means
(any tool) (or) (hand) (kills) (dirt block) (becomes) (dirt item). (shovel best)
Its not completely optimal, but probably too compact to easily identify mistakes while typing or to easily correct errors while reading.
@@infiniteplanes5775 thats an actually interesting idea, although maybe a program to traslate it to english (or whatever) would be more useful than learning to read it. How did you come up with the words?
@@samuelwaller4924 I used a program to generate strings of characters. I gauged how many characters would be needed by how fast I could type it compared to typing the english equivalent. And a program to translate it into English is a good idea, not _too_ hard to pull off either since I decided to redo most of it.
10:12
I must say the segment from 7:49 to 8:26 when you "realize" there are no third-person pronouns is beautifully executed. It doesn't feel cringey or scripted.
Oh no!
This was one of my favorite parts for sure
yes it does and it earned a dislike.
@@zhaleyleitnib5150 why?
@@Nerdy1729 because of trying to be funny (failing) and wasting time. Also like saying it is a vital part of a language (when many languages don't have them). There should be no "pronouns sections" much as he doesn't have an "adverbs section".
I can't listen to this video without hearing the song
*VOTGIL VOTGIL VOTGIL IM A BIT EXCITED IM A BIT EXCITED IM A IM A BIT EXCITED BECAUSE VOTGIL HAS SO MANY VOWELS S-SO MANY VOWELS S-SO MANY SO MANY VOWELS*
gamer
VÖTGIL, VÖTGIL, VÖT-VÖTGIL!
VÖTGIL
@@slamwall9057 You forgot about the SPEAKING...
0:08 V Ö T G I L
0:09 I'm a bit excited
0:44 The point of Vötgil
7:03 So Many Vowels
Vötgil
@@sullivanbell2397 Vötgil
@@FireAspectPL Vötgil
@@eduardoxenofonte4004 VÖTGIL
@@jangamecuber I’m a bit excited
Vötgil is not really "anti-english", a more accurate name for the language is:
vöt(c)gil(c)san(t)ap(t)vlir(t)sing(b)es(p)u(t)vom(b)con(c)lang(c)cri(c)tic(c)vlim(p)kay(f)dan(f)zhna(f)point(f)vlim(p)ga(f)sna(f)ga(f)
what does this say
mrmimeisfunny I’m still confused.
What the heck are the consonants in parentheses for
Phonemic Hats
@@-NGC-6302- They're phonemic hats.
(f) = Fedora
(t) = Top hat
(b) = Baseball cap
(p) = Pangolin-shaped hat (one can also use a turkey-shaped hat, but a person who does this is seen as untrustworthy)
This man has mastered the art of sass
The four elements=fire, earth, water, sass
@@nobodyburgen4594 lived in harmony, until one day the sass nation attacked.
@@broccoliflorette1970 buaHAHAHa
Watching the video to learn how to spill some tea correctly
@@broccoliflorette1970🤣🤣🤣
My native language is not English, still, I understood perfectly your simplified pronunciation.
Can you transliterate it into actual English, please?
@@sofijeffrey9797 "It would sound something like this. Even though it might sound strange, it is still almost completely understandable to native English speakers."
Also, the word you were looking for was "transcribe", not "transliterate".
It sounded like Jamaican xD
I can tell by your username
@@tissuepaper9962 actually the word is translate so your both wrong.
You forgot to mention "thistle" and "this'll" when talking about dental fricatives.
haha, I haven't heard that one! that's a pretty dang good minimal pair!
When I explain this to people, I usually say "you say θɪsl̩, not ðɪsl̩, because ðɪsl̩ make you sound like an idiot."
There are also - at least in my RP-ish dialect - some of the classic noun-verb=unvoiced-voiced pairs (like advice/advise or proof/prove). wreath/wreathe; loath/loathe ; teeth/teethe; sheath/sheathe; mouth(n)/mouth(v); sooth/soothe.
[it always grates on me that marinate/marinade is the "wrong" way round]
The American dialect has the same pairs. I've never heard anyone say "sooth", however. The only places I've even seen it written are in the Wycliffe Bible (which predates even the KJV) and when people try too hard to sound old-timey. (For sooth!)
And if you're Matt Gray, either / ether isn't even a problem.
I've heard "I'm a bit excited" sampled so often that it's now outright disconcerting for it to flow naturally as part of spoken text.
creating a language specifically for communication in minecraft is the best excuse to make a language
His example at around 3:20 where he says "it's still understandable for most native english speakers" made me blush a little with self pride
Cuz i'm not a native english speaker
And i'm self taught, so this is very important to me thanks jan misali
Why is everyone ignoring that the word for Program in Vötgil is *Pog*. The programs are pogging.
I read this is as pogroms at first
@@taliaeategg2027 poggers
Your minimal English sounds like IDubbbz's foreign accent character.
conlang cop
oh rooly edupes, you thaynk all eshuns lyook alayk? tink agan you fowking rahsist!
The first thought I had was Hitler in the Epic Rap Battles of History videos with Darth Vader.
I would call it "vaguely racist foreignese".
GEEVE ME MOWNEY FO MY MYNCREFT. I NEID TWANYSEEKSNANDIFAV.
I can't listen to the audio at the beginning the same way anymore. I'm a bit excited because this episode is a first in a few ways V Ö T G I L.
*music plays*
Love your minimalist phonology version of English.
*um, wow, anglophone much*
"even though it might sound
*shwanz*
it is still completely recognisable"
What makes it inconvenient for typing? Those are easy.
...what do you _mean_ normal people don't have a binding for ðÐ and a way to type diæreses‽
*_INTERROBANGS TOO‽_*
he means the grey dot fuckfest
On IOS, the Icelandic keyboard has æ, ð, ö, and þ. I like þorn better than ‘th’.
I have added dead keys for ¯ ~ ˇ ^ ˘ ¸ ˛ . ˙ - ¨ ` ´ ˚ ̡ so I can type a lot of different letters. Then I've added letters ß ð þ ə ø æ œ through AltGr.
@@samschannel531 though the þ character looks like p and b combined and probably not as quick yo write.a nd you you see þorn if people saw þ as p instead imagine the reaction.
Tip: Alt+0240 makes ð, Alt+0208 makes Ð, and just use the dead key for ¨ (Shift + ^) and then o for ö.
"It might sound *Schwanz*"
Just found my new favorite "English" word!
Is that a word or what was he trying to say
strange
How does "strange" become "schwanz"?
I guess he didn't want to go for a "stw-" cluster, which is still possible to say.
Especially when you know the German meaning of this word.
I thought he said “French” at first.
That script is awful. How is someone supposed to write it by hand?
It was designed to be written in wool blocks in Minecraft.
I'm not joking. That is the reason for that orthography.
I have no idea. I created a script for hexadecimal numerals that is also based on 4 bit binary symbology, and can I guess be extended to write text by pairing the symbols, but even my script is moderately impractical so I ended up dumping it.
It was however originally designed to be written in pen, and it's also written so that every single character can technically be written as a single penstroke. (I modified the later versions of the symbols both to make this easier, and to make the characters less symmetrical.)
You can imagine the script easily enough by taking approximating it like this:
(these are of course latin script, but they are visually similar enough to the way the characters are written to get the point across)
| =0, b = 1, p = 2, B = 3, d = 4
The remaining characters can't really be represented with existing characters.
But as a rough approximation
db = 5
You can see where this leads, and how it's similar in basic logic to the system used by the Votgil script (and is in fact a simple binary count of 'on and off' portions lumped together into a single symbol).
The difference with my systems is mine was first and foremost designed to be written with a pen, and secondly it's original purpose is a system to write base 16 numbers in a way that is completely distinct from base 10 arabic numerals.
As such, the fact that the characters essentially count up in binary isn't so strange.
The modified forms contain some alterations that are harder to mimic using standard symbols, but the point of them was to make the character set less symmetrical.
A requirement I had because I wanted to be able to use them in both right to left and left to right ordering while having the character set itself clearly indicate which writing direction was in use, and that meant the fact that some of the original characters were vertically mirrored versions of other characters was problematic.
In any event, given the similar logical basis, I suppose you could adapt my characters as one way to write Votgil script using a pen.
It'd certainly be more efficient than other ways of doing it...
You could use different weight of pencils
@@jasonmey5235 well, that explains a lot
@@user-jr7ww2gf1h true
8:33
You know, Latin didn't really have 3rd person pronouns, opting for the demonstrative pronouns in these contexts.
And (even though technically it doesn't even a "pronoun" PoS) the Japanese words "kare", "kanojo" and "karera" which are normally translated as "he", "she" and "they" literally come from old demonstratives for things that are far away.
Using "that" or "this" instead of a 3rd person pronoun is perfectly acceptable.
In fact, in my own native language it happens quite often (even though in it it's with a bit of a disrespectful/casual connotation). And I know of a few other languages that have the same thing happen there as well.
Omitting 3rd person pronouns makes a lot of sense for a minimalist language.
what is your native language?
Same goes for Ancient (and Modern) Greek, too. 3rd person pronouns are not as common as he implies.
Yeah, it might be ok for a conlang to not have third person pronouns, but not for a language that:
1. Is supposed to be a simplified version of English, which he, she, and they all know has 3rd person pronouns
2. Is supposed to be an IAL (most languages have some form of third person pronouns)
3. Doesn’t specifically mention this key feature anywhere, acts like it isn’t there, and has no way to replace them
Also modern Korean barely if at all uses 3rd person pronouns and these are similar to Japanese just "that thing, that (implied man) or that woman"
Well, Latin is strange, because it does have third person pronouns but they’re often used the same way in which demonstrative are used. Still the series seems to be pretty conclusively like pronouns, and it is distinct from the three series of demonstratives (translating to this/here, that/there, yon/yonder), the proximal, distal, and medial demonstratives. doesn’t include that aspect of perspective in a frame of reference.
"English is weird."
As a native English speaker, I agree. Why do we even have a word called a
Nej the word 'a'
English is weird as heck
We also have a word "a" in Spanish. It means something different.
Also "y", "e", "o", "u" are all words in Spanish.
I only know what y means.
0:08 Vötgil! I'm a bit excited, because this episode is the first in a few ways
0:43 A simplified version of English. The point of Vötgil
1:14 m, n, ng
7:04 and since Vötgil has so many vowels, those languages
0:14 Thank you, jcbk
If this isn't the worst interlang in the series. there are going to be some very bad conlangs coming up.
You know what zese
IT HAPPENED OH GOD
@@JohnSmith-yf1ro indeed
poliespo was literally made by a murderer soooooooooooooooooooooooooo... yea!
@@catalinaargyriou8603 hmm, i know someone who goes by the same surname as you
anyway, murderers make bad conlangs
Velar fricative is the best sound, period.
Agreed.
It’s the sound which (in my experience) most effectively expresses exasperation.
Alveolo-palatal sibilant affricate
after hearing bopgil i’m constantly being made alert and thinking “oh shit!!!! they said the thing!!!!”
I have listened to it so many times that it actually being said makes me sick.
The part at 3:20 sounds like an interesting mix between exaggerated German and Japanese accents
Sounds a bit more French than German.
Although when he said "strange" it sounded like "Schwanz" which is the German word for penis.
That's what everyone would sould like if the Axis won
It sounds like a Englishman pretending to be german
"I'm a bit excited"
here lies history
Feels really weird going back to this video and hearing "I'm a bit excited."
When you started speaking your simplified English... you sounded German .-.
It sounded more like French, to me.
I speak German, Dutch and English, and to my ears, it sounded nothing like German.
it DID sound like someone speaking in a heavy French accent.
Not a proper French accent mind you, but the silly, put on french accent British comedians like to use.
It sounded like some really thick, harsh french accent.
Sounded a bit African to me
When he just reduced the consonants, it also sounded like a German accent to me and the complete reduction had a vaguely African sound.
You accidentally said something cool about Votgil right at the end
Adding actual encrypted lore to Minecraft sounds like a good idea. Rather they used English-in-hexadecimal-Unicode though, since we already have 16 colors of terracotta.
9:06 When you finally get your program running after hours of debugging
Edit: this guys guys isn't that bad, I rescind some of my criticism
Yeah, designing the language to work with Minecraft instead of Pen or Keyboard is definitely one of the more spit-take inducing elements of the language when I saw his video on his Esperantanaso channel. But then again, I guess kids playing Minecraft would be naive enough to get on board his mediocre, English-but-fixed Auxlang.
Actually, I think the Minecraft thing is a pretty cool and creative idea.
tbh id spent more time than im willing to admit making a conlang out of like noteblocks or something
It's someone's passion project they made for fun. Kind of a dick move to shit-talk something made by a programmer for fun.
as an ex-minecrafter: definitely not.
@@petersheppard2173 honestly I agree with you now
This is really shuanz
אע?
I think you mean schwanz. And not in the nice way.
cwanz
6:27 i just realized the "glotal" thing
10:16 there could be an actual conlang optimized for communication in minecraft
glotal
approximant
stop
Fricitive
Rhotic
Affricate
9:06 I just love that the author of vötgil had to include Pog as a word, even though it only has 600 words in total
It was made in 2012 before "play of game" was a thing.
@@OtakuUnitedStudio I still refuse to accept that pog means “play of game”
really a fan of those lil disks eh
@@OtakuUnitedStudio PogChamp originates from this 2010 video (th-cam.com/video/g9TNY75jhcs/w-d-xo.html) and it's a shortened form of "pog championship", referring to the game Pogs which was popular in the 90s (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milk_caps_(game)), named after the POG fruit drink which was first produced in 1971 (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pog_(drink)). "play of game" is a stupid backronym - 1971 was undoubtedly before 2012.
Screw it. I’ll learn Vötgil anyways.
Edit: OOPS ALL TOKI PONA, OH WELL
Huge props to whomever did the Danish subtitles, they're great!
2:40 "And you can still speak Engwish wecognizably wis only ZESE consonants."
I dodt tidk so, I beed, zou koud ty, but it boud be adbost udidteddizabde.
Julian Goulette
Zese
You know what ZESE!… ˥˧˩ZESE…
A little correction: not every language has 3rd person pronouns, many go by perfectly fine with "that one" instead.
I can’t listen to the start of this video without getting the votgil song stuck in my head.
Circling through vowel space is much more fun if done as one vowel cluster rather than separately. :P
No, its :þ
I would love to see a review of either Wolflandic or Hardonian. (Both were made by me)
As long as information about them is easy to access online, then absolutely!
Information about them is all on my channel.
so I can't email you a zip file containing everything there is of my language? It's not even 10 KB!
@@pixiepandaplush That's a really old comment. I actually forgot it existed.
@@droptherapy2085 get pranked kid
Even though I've heard the "it's optimized for communication in Miiinecraft" line many times, it still hits like a sucker punch every time.
here's a post listing the next few upcoming episodes, in case you want to know:
toki-ito-li-pona.tumblr.com/post/150943999562/the-next-few-conlang-critic-episodes
Can I advertise you
1:20 it is literally the best beatbox i ever heard
he sounds like a bee 1:21
0:40 The Main Antagonist of the Jan Misali series debuts.
it'll be eleven episodes before that happens actually
@@Melecie Yeah, Iqglic is a Villain, Ivorey is an antagonist.
@@Pandadude-eg9li nah i'm talking about Anthony "Conglang Community" McCarthy
Great series, subbed, cannot wait for more. Will direct people here from upcoming conlang videos.
Do the Tolkien Elvish languages! And maybe Esperanto.
I love these videos!
those are a ways off, but they're on the list. thanks for watching!
@@HBMmaster now two thirds have been done
@@slamwall9057 Now all three!
2:38 that demonstration was so subtly integrated that i had to rewind it a couple times, first to catch it and then to appreciate it
ZESE
1:01 you know, its probably a bad sign that upon someones very first exposure to your conlang, they can already completely read and understand it.
i don't know shit about linguistics but i love these videos. they're so esoteric and just acts like we're all in on it. i love this shit
I'm a bit excited, I'm a bit excited, because Votgil has so many vowels!
1:13 as a British person I am deeply offended they didn’t include ʔ
Edit: It seems I did not understand the concept of phonemes 3 years ago
bʷɪʔɪʃ
yeah >:(
It's an allophone of "t'.
@@rhebucks_zh disappointing from 3 year ago me smh
mfw program in Vötgil is pog
I discovered this channel yesterday. Now I have a marathon watching your videos!
Someone should devolpe the reduced English he was talking about at 2:37
schwanz
i want to encode that as a whistle-language.
10:27 this little section is adorable tho haha
It’s so cool coming back here and being like… oh wow… they really didn’t know what they put into the world with this video.
Idk who you are, I started following you when I say you had a video with the title only being "W" being 20 mins. I just knew you were a God or somthin
So this is the infamous 'votgil' I've been hearing all
Is anyone else tempted to attempt to make the equivalent of Ido for this language?
I M A B I T E X C I T E D
B E C A U S E V Ö T G I L H A S S O M A N Y V O W E L S
love how the simplified consonants make you talk like homestar runner after he went to france on vacation and came back doing a bad french accent
The simplified pronunciation is basically speaking English in a stereotypical German accent
Makes sense because English is a Germanic language but obscured with a Romance language layer.
(4:35) Personally, I would find it better if Vötgil changed A /æ/ to Ä and Ö /ɑ/ to A. This from a Swedish speaker, where E is used for /e~ɛ/ and Ä for /ɛ~æ/, and Ö for /ø~œ/, so this change would help me at least. "¨" is used to mark a fronted version of a vowel, so Ö is a front O, that is a rounded E. Ä would in this case be a fronted A, and since Vötgil (or Vatgil in this case) uses unrounded back /ɑ/, the front would be an unrounded front /æ/.
And th þ and th đ
But in actuality ö in Vötgil is actually more like /ɔ/
@@TheLazyDog2011 Then I would suggest Ô for [o] and O for [ɔ], where ^ marks it as a raised vowel
I am suddenly aware of how much i like the prospect of using q as a replacement for ng
Was wondering what you thought of Pegakibo. It's on TH-cam. I think it's a fluid-S language. It's presented as being extremely simple, but I wonder how you could say anything besides simple SVO sentences in it.
just updated the Big List!
“It’s optimized for communication in Minecraft”
Hol up, what? I swear, this conlang was made by me 6 years ago when I was just beginning to learn about language, and I was obsessed with Minecraft. Why don’t I remember doing this?
ossi_ did you make this conlang?
Because you didnt make it.
It's so fun to rwwatch this video because as I listen along I'll occasionally hear a soundbite or two which were used in Böpgil
Vötgil confirms, programs are *pog*
2:18 Sorta annoyed that "Breath/Breathe" was left out, it seems like the most obvious example to me.
those have different vowels in nasin mi so probably not a great example
Thistle / This'll
@@FieldLing639 Not a very good example, for two reasons.
1. "This'll" is a contraction, so when going for examples of pairs of words, it's not the best choice.
2. Thistle and This'll might seem to be pronouced the same way, but you'll notice that many people will actually voice contractions, by making ' a stop. So it might look like /θɪsl̩/ vs /ðɪsʔl̩/.
Still, my Breathe/Breath example wasn't the best, considering they don't even use the same vowels, so distinguishing them is pretty easy.
Keep it up, mate! This series is great!
Holy shit I already love this channel
The more I watch these videos the more random bits of information on how weird English is I get
7:45 You talk so quick (which I'm fine with that btw) that it sounds like wrr on my speaker phone instead of whatever.
Like your videos, dude!
the fact that the word for "program" is "pog" is unbelievably cursed
the simplified pronunciation parts were a fave of mine, the first one sounds like a very french accent, and the second sounds like an eastern asian accent! so interesting, but all perfectly understandable and usable by english speakers x
2:10 the theta one is slightly more common, I believe. Edit: And I checked my comment 1 year later, and I checked UPSID. 13% have [θ], but only %8.7 have [ð].
Hey keegs
+Ryuko Hi!
3:15 hey! The three vowel system in both of my conlangs!
a good programmer, or a Pog Champ
/h/ can be confused for /f/ (as we've all learnt), f can be confused for /θ/, which is quite similar to /s/, which is rarely distinguished with by /z/ which is very similar to /ʒ/, which is very similar to /ɮ/, which is very similar to /l/, which is not distinguished in Japanese with the sound /r/ which is quite similar to the English sound [ɹ], which is an approximant, therefore, /h/ is a glottal approximant.
the joke is that he spelled the word as glotal, instead of glottal, /h/ is frequently considered an approximant (or more accurately "bare phonation" or an unsyllabic voiceless equivalent of the next vowel) rather than fricative in English and many languages of Europe.
I just started laughing at “glotal”. A whole conlang completely undone by the glotis.
Two thoughts unrelated to the video:
*Someone should invent a conlang optimized for compressibility. As in ".zip" file compression.
*Or maybe a "lossy" compression algorithm for language. After compression & decompression, the result has the same rough meaning, but isn't exactly the original text.
since the vocabulary of toki pona consist of less that 256 words, you can assign one single byte per word, making it the most easily compressed language in the world
im going to say it right now, its going to be very hard to make a good language thats universal
“I’m a bit excited” sounds so wrong now.
nice to know i wasn't the only one who thought of using a q for ng in an english reform
2:40
THAT
WAS
AMAZING
Not every language has 3p pronouns - some just use "this" and "that". Like your favorite language, Toki Pona.
Oh, and can I compliment your lovely minimalist English while I'm here?
toki pona doesn't have third person pronouns? what's "ona" then?
Conlang Critic distal human "This/That". basically the equivalent of Esperanto "Tiu" (rather than ŝi/li/ĝi). I don't have any other examples, but it's the kind of substitute most no-third-person languages have (a few of my Conlangs). Vötgil, as far as I'm aware, doesn't have this either - so your point still stands
imo, a demonstrative that can be used as a third person pronoun just, is also a third person pronoun.
Conlang Critic Technically speaking, no. Practically speaking, fine, you're right.
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vWoTgIl is a stain on the noble liniage of Mindcraft
Ok, I figured out how to write votgil using pencil and paper. So what you need to do is buy 4 pencils (no 1, no 2, no 2.5, and no 3) then when writing, quickly switch between each pencil. No 1 is black, no 2 is grey, no 2.5 is light grey, and no 3 is white.
>glottal apprpximant
4:08 minceraft vilager
yup
6:56
Watching this again after a few years and wow the "approximately *too many* consonants in a row" joke is still hilarious lol
i remember this holy shit 6 whole years
8:31 Ancient Greek and Sanskrit don’t really have third person pronouns, they use demonstratives instead.
they use demonstratives, as third person pronouns