The most on-brand way to distinguish between Iqlic and English is to not distinguish between them at all while still pretending that you're being perfectly clear.
You know what, you have to respect what a good sport Jack Eisenmann is! He keeps talking to you, even though he must have actually watched the other two videos. Love this episode, though, I love it when you don't hold back.
It’s so weird, he’s American right? It’s strange how he seems not to realize that the “i” in ice (the way I and a lot of Americans pronounce it) is a dipthong of the “o” sound in bot and the “ee” sound in knee (the way I pronounce them), not a dipthong of schwa (the “a” sound at the end of comma, the way I pronounce it, written with a u in Iqlic) and the aforementioned “ee” sound in knee. That’s what makes it sound like an Irish accent, because Misali is pronouncing it as specified rather than inferring that Jack just couldn’t figure out what dipthong “i” saying it’s name like in “ice” is (the way I and many Americans pronounce it, at least).
Terminology proposal: A "xiqlang" (pronounced "thinglang") is a conlang whose orthography insists on using all 26 letters of the English alphabet regardless of how little sense it makes.
Clearly the only system for writing English is whatever random shapes the romans pulled out of the Greek's waste bin. And for the love of god let's make sure to spell /tʃ/ as anything other than ch, because we can't make things too easy.
Last night I had a nightmare: I was dreaming about having an exam at school. Our teacher would say to us "I thought, this time we make it a bit special and brought you something" She's holding a yellow book, bout 50 pages, with the title "Basic Grammar and Vocabulary of Zese". "You'll write your exam in Zese, using its script." So I had 150 Minutes to write a 600 Word Essay in a language I don't know. While struggling to understand Zese I woke up bathing in sweat with my heart racing.
English is an international auxlang made by a large community of contributors in 1550. Its source languages include French and Anglo-Saxon, but somehow its phonology is compatible with neither of those. Its orthography is extremely inconsistent due to how much its creators revised the pronunciation of words over the years but didn't bother to revise the spelling. And they straight up *dropped* a bunch of letters for some reason, and replaced them with pointless digraphs. In one case, they replaced their original letter "wynn" for the /w/ sound with a digraph which, kinda makes sense? It's "uu", which makes sense if you know Latin phonology and for no one else. And for some reason they just decided to smoosh the digraph together into one ugly letter, "w". Why? Why make a digraph if you're going to make it one letter anyway? All in all, this is why you don't let a massive community put together an auxlang with little to no curation. It's almost like someone tried to use a complicated natural creole as an auxlang and called it a day. Wait, oh yeah. Right.
@@masicbemester Vötgil, you're feeling stronger Vötgil, no more feeling bad Vötgil, your eyes are shining Vötgil, you are the Eisenman Vötgil, wipes away your tears Vötgil, removes your fears Vötgil, everyone is gorgeous Vötgil, yeah vötgil!
Very much not the only conlang to use for /ŋ/. Ro, Ceqli and Wjerih Sarak are three great examples of the same thing. Plus some languages I'm planning. Plus a spelling reform of English I did when I was 14/15.
@Rede Emitel The only one I've found so far was Fijian for [ŋg], but I swore I saw a North American language that used it on Omniglot. (I know, not the be all end all source, but whatev). Doesn't make it any less ugly, btw
I use q for a glottal stop in my conlang’s official romanization. (The actual script, a featural abugida, is yet to be developed so all documentation is in the romanization.)
@@PlatinumAltaria it's still more accessible than that nightmare and can be adapted to be friendlier to people with dyslexia, etc, rather than inherently relying on hard to distinguish features
Just call it "English with a q". Frankly, Eisenmann is a fascinating rabbit hole of a human being. I'm honestly a little surprised Fredrick Knudsen hasn't covered him yet! ...That sample at the end sounds like a combination of a bad Irish accent and a hernia.
Funny enough, that list of "words that end with u" basically made me immediately go "antenu is definitely antenna" and everything followed from there so it was pretty clear to me. But that was solely on the basis of "antenu" being obvious, if the list had started with any other word i probably would have had problems.
I had a similar reaction when I got down in the list to "sodu" and "umbrellu" and the penny dropped. Except... now I'm looking at the list again in order to write this comment, and taking a closer look... Is "uydyu" supposed to be "idea"?
@@mrphlip it is, misali showed the answers in the video. It’s weird because it makes it seem like Jack has an Irish accent. He’s American right? For some reason he didn’t realize that (in his writing system), the dipthong for the “i” in ice (and the dipthong in buy, and at the start of idea) should be written “oy”, not “uy”… unless he wants it to sound like Irish English/early modern period English
“Badsensr” So you’re telling me this isn’t the word for police radar? I like “IQ-glish” as the disambiguation, because I’ve lost a few IQ points from the orthography alone.
Remember this amazing guy ranting about how bad Vötgil is? This is him now completing the trilogy. Also you progressed with this series in the opposite order. Wonder what comes next
I love your conlang critic videos! I can't wait for the next episode, and I liked this as a summary and goodbye to Jack Eisermann's work. You're funny, fair, and interesting with them.
Well, at least he doesn't pretend his language is the superior way to speak and call every speaker of the language he based it off a murderer for refusing speaking it.
@@Thomaas551 It's an event on french speaking conlang forum, when a guy invented "Fra" a french based aux-lang and he was so convinced it was better than regular French or any other language for that matter because it supposedly got rid of ambiguity that he would slander any one who would criticise it of being "oldthinkers" and "too attached to old ways". He also had a video on his youtube channel where he would argue that you are a murderer for refusing to speak Fra because potentially mortal accident could arose from misunderstanding due to homophony and ambiguity in other languages. Ah and he was fixated on using only ASCII symbols for the writing system of the language and so /ø~ə/ was written and nasal vowels (because he somehow didn't got rid of it, one of the most complicated aspect of French pronunciation) were written and .
Honestly, I hope Jack Eisenmann learns from the mistakes of his old conlangs and ends up making a really good one. I can see he really likes making conlangs and I wish the best for him.
I initially left a comment like: "okay man, like, we get it; he's bad at making conlangs. This is starting to seem kinda mean. Like making fun of the slow kid's bad art or something." But then I watched the last 1 minute of the review. Glad to see you acknowledge it and offer a little perspective. Keep up the excellent work.
Man, I remember back when I was in like 9th grade trying to start my own conlang using Pegakibo as a base for the orthography, but I had no real knowledge to have any semblance of structure when I made what I made. After I realized I don't actually like trying to make a conlang seriously, I did find that I enjoyed making writing systems, and in 2016 I invented my own cypher for English, very minimalistic-like, and I have been using it ever since to write down little notes on something like my hand or a piece of paper when I don't want other people to read it. I've thought about submitting it to Omniglot, but I never really felt that strongly about sharing it that way. It makes for a fun puzzle when I've got some time to kill with a friend or co-worker where they tell me a word/name and I write it in my cypher, and they try to figure out how it works.
Me: well... I've seen worse conlangs I think... Iqglic: As an international auxilliary language, I only use feet and miles Me, a proud European: Eh nope this is the worst one I've seen
i last watched one of your conlang videos a couple months ago and found them pretty interesting. now i've taken half a semester of a linguistics class and they are *so* much more interesting. thank you for these
honestly, i feel a little bad having requested this language (however long ago i did that, i had legitimately forgotten ever doing so). sorry, mr eisenmann, and sorry mitch for being one of the people who made you feel obligated to make this. it's not a bad video or anything, i'm just sad about it
You know, it's good to know that, despite everything we've heard on this show, that Mitch and Jack are still so friendly towards one another. It fills one with hope, you know?
@@bootmii98 Funny you should say that. I was an intro to linguistics TA in Vancouver in 2015, and the undergrads kept getting that question wrong because a lot of them have Canadian raising before voiced codas as well. It's spreading.
I agree with using the latter, as the English "ch" is two consonant sounds combined, both of which are also individual sounds in English. I've even thought of making a ligature out of the letters, as well, as "ch" has an affricate consonant sound. For the former, I've thought of assigning the "kh" sound to it. It's barely used in English, nowadays, seeing most of its usage from the Scottish and Scouse accents, but this sound is sorely needed in English, especially with many words in English sporting the ever so annoyingly silent "gh". That brings me to my next point. As much as many like to think that spelling reform would be the solution to the problems with English spelling, there are also problems with that, as well, and the English language is too far gone to just warrant that. This is why I would advocate that there be a language reform for English, instead.
Hi Jan Misaly! I am a native Hebrew speaker, and something I almost never see in other languages is the way we use diacritical markings (I don't know if those can be considered diacritical markings, but there really isn't a good word for it English... In Hebrew it's called "Nikud"). Are there any conlangs that use something similar? If so, how do they stack up compared to others?
One of my favorite JRPGs has its own conlang which is part programming language, part medium for poetic expression: artonelico.fandom.com/wiki/Hymmnos_Language Would be neat to see you critique it.
6:40 The moment I recognized antenna I realized "u" is pronounced like "uh" and not "ooh". I feel like my experience with this list features an unintended bias somehow.
as a person who says (and hears most of the time) trap, father, bath and start all with the same vowel and Lot, cloth, thought and north all with the same vowel I am confused. I'm happy for you who can tell the difference between those!
@@Salsmachev I'm a native speaker for a language with only one "o" vowel and according to my english teachers I have "my own accent" if that helps you understand why I speak and hear the way that I do
@@mariasolenardelli3745 Ah that makes sense. I thought you were saying you were a native speaker with an accent that does that. If your first language has an a sound, it's probably closer to the sound of o in lot, cloth, and thought than the o sound.
Weird. My native language has only one O too and I recognized six vowels in the lexical set(if you consider long ah to be a vowel and include the diphtong). Trap and Bath are pronounced with an "eh" like sound. Start and North have r-coloured vowels, an r-coloured ah on start and an r-coloured oh on north. The "thought vowel" is a diphtong and it sounds the same as the O in flower. Father, cloth and lot all share the same vowel but the A in father is a long vowel, whereas the vowels in cloth and lot are short. I guess this is caused by me trying to imitate natural accents convincingly.
@@k.umquat8604 You're very perceptive in identifying subtly different phonemes. But thought and flower sound the same to you? I'm a native English speaker and I don't think there are any dialects where thought and flower are the same vowel. The "ow" in flower is the same as in down and cow, which I'm pretty sure is different from "thought" for every native English speaker. What's your original language?
Conlanger’s thoughts on the original English (c. 1550)? I personally thought it was a neat idea _in theory_ to combine Germanic and Romance languages into a creole of sorts, but did the spelling really have to be so counter-intuitive? Part of the reason for this is that the way it handles loanwords became so woefully inconsistent in the later versions. Are we just supposed to spell older loanwords phonetically but keep spelling new ones in romanisations of their source languages? The creator of English offered no guidance on this, didn’t respond to feedback and, if anything, it looks like they abandoned the project way before it was finished. Also, did we ever _really_ need two Indo-European languages as the source langs? A Germanic creole with say, Arabic or Chinese would have been so much more cross-cultural and interesting. But no, I guess the creator of the con-culture really just had a hardon for Ancient Rome, so that's what we're stuck with. I could have really _loved_ English, but its difficult to learn, it loses so much of what makes Latin and German interesting (No noun class system? Are you freaking kidding me?), its cultural aesthetic is all over the place. And don’t even get me started on the vowels…
The good old Jack Eisenmann fucked up spelling reforms. I mean there's a way to actually rewrite English into sets of Mora however who really cares about it anymore... I mean the best and easiest way to write English is just to write it as a Swede would write it. Aj håp dat jo ar alrajt maj fränd and dat jår lajf vil bi lång and pråsperås. Nao Aj vil havv to gå avej and do sam ader staf får nao. Si ja araond. I hope that you are alright my friend and that your life will be long and prosperous. Now I will have to go away and do some other stuff for now. See you around. And yes, if someone wrote to me in that fashion and knew how to actually transcribe English with Swedish spelling rules, then it would be quite an easy read for me. However would you transcribe the word and, as and or änd or ånd or even önd considering the dialect of English spoken... because there's so many dialects of English that it's ridiculous trying to transcribe English in any fashion but it's own ridiculous one.
10:21 "If you want to say 'moose' or 'beaver' you're fine, but there's no words for 'deer' or 'raccoon'." I invented a language once and came to the same problem. Imagine you invent a fictional people with a new conlang. Do these people have a word for "cat"? Possibly. So you invent a new word for "cat". Do they also have a word for "dog"? Probably. So you also invent a word for "dog". But what about all the other animals? What about the echidna? Or the African red-eyed bulbul? Or the parastratiosphecomyia stratiosphecomyioides? There are 1.9 million named species on Earth so I thought "why bother" and simply copied the entire list of scientific names.
i burst out laughing and had to pause the video just to laugh at the word 'badsensr', i have no idea why but it is the most hilarious thing ever like it's just an almost ..sweet? way to explain what censorship is, but it's also so simplistic and doesn't really allow for a perspective from which censorship is actually viewed as good or at least morally neutral
The vowel groupings were fun. It's so hard for me to imagine how to pronounce father, cloth, lot and thought with the same vowel. Trap, bath Start, father Lot, cloth Thought, north
Partway through: "Descriptor" Me: !! (I use that for adjectives/adverbs as well, when describing my conlangs or sometimes even my notes while studying regular languages. It's handy, plus shorter and more obvious of meaning than "adjective".)
I'm both disappointed that this is your most recent video, and super glad that youtube randomly recommended this video, and I was able to find the rest of the Conlang Critic series (which i binge-listened to this evening). I'm a big D&D fan, and also one of the only people in my friend group who wants to put effort into running the game and therefore am usually the DM, and I've always wanted to build a conlang for one of my worlds. This series, and your notes on the good and bad parts of many of these conlangs, has reinvigorated that desire within me, especially your critiques and thoughts on fictional languages like Kelen, Drsk, and Dothraki.
Hey, at least Eisenman finished full conlangs, that's more than I can say.
I wouldn't go THAT far
That's so generous you should be able to deduct it from you taxes
It's more than Mitch can say as well. ;)
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The furthest I've gone so far is a phonology, and even that's not finished. And I've been working on this for a solid month now.
The most on-brand way to distinguish between Iqlic and English is to not distinguish between them at all while still pretending that you're being perfectly clear.
“Ikglik”
@@tompatterson1548”duality”
@@tompatterson1548 Apparently ikglik means duality in some language over the rainbow
@@preacherofmusicit’s “Uzbek”
@@ender5312 Ahh, a central Asian language. Thank you ender
This is a sample from the tower of Babbel..
*confused Irish accent*
*Entuyr Rx.*
*uv körs it iz!*
Wow, Americans have a weird idea about what an Irish accent is.
@@i_teleported_bread7404 leaving the Iqglic pronunciation aside, it sounds like a cool name.
@@mickmickymick6927 the diphthongs though, some sound Irish
"That in mind, english is complete garbage"
Yeah obviously but what is your opinion on iqglic
LMAO
It would be fun to have jan Misali do an episode on English, treating it as a conlang.
@@johlarson That's gotta be his most requested episode.
Hii onestlii cudy dxast kept seijiq ai-kjuu-glic for dhii entáir vidijou, dxast tu aevóid konfjúuxon.
Hmm, yes, the floor here is made out of floor.
To those of you asking:
It’s an Eisenmanlang. Of course it’s a haloween episode.
This deserves a pin
@@TheAustronaut03 Let's make it happen, people.
Yes
Makes sense to me
Eisenlang would sound better, just sayin'
I give this a 10/10 for spelling earth as rx
Oh yes, mother Rx
@@ИринаХанжиева-п9д mother prescription
@@ИринаХанжиева-п9д Muxr Rx
I don't get the problem, Earth IS mostly made of rx.
Mother Rex
You know what, you have to respect what a good sport Jack Eisenmann is! He keeps talking to you, even though he must have actually watched the other two videos. Love this episode, though, I love it when you don't hold back.
bread speak
When your “English based” conlang ends up sounding like Irish you know the IRA has won
COME OUT YE BLACK AND TANS
I guess you meant Irish English, not Irish Gaelic
It’s so weird, he’s American right? It’s strange how he seems not to realize that the “i” in ice (the way I and a lot of Americans pronounce it) is a dipthong of the “o” sound in bot and the “ee” sound in knee (the way I pronounce them), not a dipthong of schwa (the “a” sound at the end of comma, the way I pronounce it, written with a u in Iqlic) and the aforementioned “ee” sound in knee. That’s what makes it sound like an Irish accent, because Misali is pronouncing it as specified rather than inferring that Jack just couldn’t figure out what dipthong “i” saying it’s name like in “ice” is (the way I and many Americans pronounce it, at least).
Terminology proposal: A "xiqlang" (pronounced "thinglang") is a conlang whose orthography insists on using all 26 letters of the English alphabet regardless of how little sense it makes.
Clearly the only system for writing English is whatever random shapes the romans pulled out of the Greek's waste bin. And for the love of god let's make sure to spell /tʃ/ as anything other than ch, because we can't make things too easy.
relex or in this case, bad cypher.
xinqlaq
@@samrichardson5971 no, it has to be inconsistent in spelling or we might figure out how to pronounce the "xiq" part on our own
xiqlaq
This language sounds like english, but if it had a concussion, drank too much, and had a heavy Irish/ Canadian accent, all at the same time.
Agreed wholeheartedly.
accent sounds closer to danish but my experience with scandinavian accents in general is limited @ best so idk.
So basically the way Portuguese sound to Spanish speakers.
Newfoundland
It really is like one of the older Newfoundland accents exactly lol
Last night I had a nightmare:
I was dreaming about having an exam at school. Our teacher would say to us "I thought, this time we make it a bit special and brought you something" She's holding a yellow book, bout 50 pages, with the title "Basic Grammar and Vocabulary of Zese". "You'll write your exam in Zese, using its script."
So I had 150 Minutes to write a 600 Word Essay in a language I don't know. While struggling to understand Zese I woke up bathing in sweat with my heart racing.
That sounds terrifying. Maybe you should stop eating before bed...
Imagine this but Poliespo
@@masicbemester Please no
Ok but like imagine writing an essay in Toki Pona...it would be significantly longer than an English version
@@bepis4094 But easier.
"english (1550-present)" had me laughing my ass off
I like your profile picture! :D
English is an international auxlang made by a large community of contributors in 1550. Its source languages include French and Anglo-Saxon, but somehow its phonology is compatible with neither of those. Its orthography is extremely inconsistent due to how much its creators revised the pronunciation of words over the years but didn't bother to revise the spelling. And they straight up *dropped* a bunch of letters for some reason, and replaced them with pointless digraphs. In one case, they replaced their original letter "wynn" for the /w/ sound with a digraph which, kinda makes sense? It's "uu", which makes sense if you know Latin phonology and for no one else. And for some reason they just decided to smoosh the digraph together into one ugly letter, "w". Why? Why make a digraph if you're going to make it one letter anyway? All in all, this is why you don't let a massive community put together an auxlang with little to no curation. It's almost like someone tried to use a complicated natural creole as an auxlang and called it a day. Wait, oh yeah. Right.
RT Garbage beautiful
@@gwest3644 Nice!
English was created in 400 AD, not 1550.
Whenever I hear "Vötgil" I spell it "Vodkil" in my mind and it brings the image of a vodka-fueled creation.
that's what I want to share
Korpiklaani - Vodka but every vodka is replaced with Vötgil
@@masicbemester Vötgil, you're feeling stronger
Vötgil, no more feeling bad
Vötgil, your eyes are shining
Vötgil, you are the Eisenman
Vötgil, wipes away your tears
Vötgil, removes your fears
Vötgil, everyone is gorgeous
Vötgil, yeah vötgil!
@@swedneck now all we need is to make the audio form by mixing in what jan Misali said
tbh, still better than actual Votgil
I call it VötGwd lmao
Mom, can we speak English?
Mom: But we already have Iqglic at home.
Iqglic at home:
Good meme
This, this is a good comment
They say as they're speaking English.
👏 👏 👏 👏 👏
Thumbnail tells me this is the PlayStation Controller language. Don't need to watch the video any more.
@Hayden the Toa this is what happens when you make a mistake
Call this a Halloween episode, because that "q" is terrifying.
At least it kinda looks like . The X for an unvoiced interdental fricative is nonsense.
Very much not the only conlang to use for /ŋ/. Ro, Ceqli and Wjerih Sarak are three great examples of the same thing. Plus some languages I'm planning. Plus a spelling reform of English I did when I was 14/15.
Actually, I think there are some natural languages whose romanization use q for ng (sorry, don't have access to IPA rn)
@Rede Emitel The only one I've found so far was Fijian for [ŋg], but I swore I saw a North American language that used it on Omniglot. (I know, not the be all end all source, but whatev). Doesn't make it any less ugly, btw
I use q for a glottal stop in my conlang’s official romanization. (The actual script, a featural abugida, is yet to be developed so all documentation is in the romanization.)
"Plyz kum" oh my gods I'm crying this is hilarious.
plyz kum
Hahahahahahshaahahaha
"plyz kum"
plyz kum co bab an vadjyn
@Hayden the Toa read it slowly
Dů jů spík Inglyš?
Like all spelling reforms, you want to avoid saying "gif is pronounced jif". So excuse me when I say that it's Ick-glick, not Inglish.
It’s not pronounced /jif/, it’s pronounced /dʒɪf/
@@xuly3129 it's pronounced /ɟɨɸ/
Pablo360able
What is your English dialect?
@@xuly3129 godly
"It's not that hard guys, it's pronounced GIF"
As somone who's partially colorblind, I physically shuddered when I saw that writing system
If you think that's bad I hear fully blind people have trouble with our current writing system.
@@PlatinumAltaria it's still more accessible than that nightmare and can be adapted to be friendlier to people with dyslexia, etc, rather than inherently relying on hard to distinguish features
Loving the reboot of Jack Eisenmann as a more sympathetic character. Iqglic isn't nearly as bad as I expected it to be
It's bad, but like, endearingly bad. Iqglic belongs magneted to a refrigerator.
Only true frauds will remember that you already covered this conlang
pawa
£^*5
lon
That video still makes me lose my shit everytime
*cute frauds
Using the Doom (2016) style of distinction I see
That would imply that it's a remake of English. Which I guess is maybe what it's supposed to be?
Just call it "English with a q". Frankly, Eisenmann is a fascinating rabbit hole of a human being. I'm honestly a little surprised Fredrick Knudsen hasn't covered him yet!
...That sample at the end sounds like a combination of a bad Irish accent and a hernia.
"Quinglish"?
@@ehtuanK I'm getting Phteven flashbacks...
Or you could pronounce it with a /q/ sound instead of an /ng/ sound.
@@ehtuanK Qinglish, if europe was conquered by the chinese.
English 2
Funny enough, that list of "words that end with u" basically made me immediately go "antenu is definitely antenna" and everything followed from there so it was pretty clear to me. But that was solely on the basis of "antenu" being obvious, if the list had started with any other word i probably would have had problems.
I had a similar reaction when I got down in the list to "sodu" and "umbrellu" and the penny dropped.
Except... now I'm looking at the list again in order to write this comment, and taking a closer look... Is "uydyu" supposed to be "idea"?
Same for me, but with "plasma"
@@mrphlip I guess it’s parsed as uy-dy-u?
Yeah, a lot of them were pretty easy to figure out, but then there was inrcu. I hate inrcu so much.
@@mrphlip it is, misali showed the answers in the video. It’s weird because it makes it seem like Jack has an Irish accent. He’s American right? For some reason he didn’t realize that (in his writing system), the dipthong for the “i” in ice (and the dipthong in buy, and at the start of idea) should be written “oy”, not “uy”… unless he wants it to sound like Irish English/early modern period English
Of course exist is a transitive verb, I exist myself all the time.
You don't even need a verb for "exist" when you can say "It is existent."
@@PlatinumAltaria [joke] You really only need 1 verb, "the predicate (argument 1) applies to (the other arguments) ". [/joke]
@@drdca8263 You don't even need words you can just grunt at people and flail your arms until they figure out that there's a bear coming.
@@PlatinumAltaria "is" is obviously a transitive verb, "existent" is clearly the direct object
@@violet_broregarde I'm aware?
“Badsensr”
So you’re telling me this isn’t the word for police radar?
I like “IQ-glish” as the disambiguation, because I’ve lost a few IQ points from the orthography alone.
IQ-glitch is even better.
@@MatthewMcVeagh Which is exactly what this conlang is.
Shoutout to the patron named "Is this supposed to be your real name?" because that is a hilarious username
That Tower of Babel translation was hilarious to me for some reason.
"Plyz kum" is my favourite part
its sounds like an impression of an immigrant whose native language isnt english and who has a funny accent
@@dunk. yeah, it’s like it took that and made it right.
Remember this amazing guy ranting about how bad Vötgil is? This is him now completing the trilogy. Also you progressed with this series in the opposite order. Wonder what comes next
I’m so excited about Quenya!!!
In the end, Iqlic sounds like Joel from Vinesauce when he puts on a fake Scandinavian accent despite being Swedish.
6/10, closer to a 7 than a 5
get him to read it omg
who are the people singing Dreams of Our Generation in toki pona at the end?
me and Jules! m.soundcloud.com/jules_skyster
i love tokee pono or what ever it is
@@delve_toki pona is not a language
Iqglic is so hilarious both aesthetically and phonetically
"Plyz kum"
Iqglic iz so hilarius box isxeticuly and funetikuly
fixed it for you
I love your conlang critic videos! I can't wait for the next episode, and I liked this as a summary and goodbye to Jack Eisermann's work. You're funny, fair, and interesting with them.
I love the outro music.
Yes, that's it.
thanks! shoutout to jules, they really nailed it www.patreon.com/hbmmaster/posts?filters%5Btag%5D=kulupu%20jan%20tenpo
Well, at least he doesn't pretend his language is the superior way to speak and call every speaker of the language he based it off a murderer for refusing speaking it.
When did that happen?
@@Thomaas551 It's an event on french speaking conlang forum, when a guy invented "Fra" a french based aux-lang and he was so convinced it was better than regular French or any other language for that matter because it supposedly got rid of ambiguity that he would slander any one who would criticise it of being "oldthinkers" and "too attached to old ways". He also had a video on his youtube channel where he would argue that you are a murderer for refusing to speak Fra because potentially mortal accident could arose from misunderstanding due to homophony and ambiguity in other languages.
Ah and he was fixated on using only ASCII symbols for the writing system of the language and so /ø~ə/ was written and nasal vowels (because he somehow didn't got rid of it, one of the most complicated aspect of French pronunciation) were written and .
Honestly, I hope Jack Eisenmann learns from the mistakes of his old conlangs and ends up making a really good one.
I can see he really likes making conlangs and I wish the best for him.
Yw no wut ZESE: "Plyz kum."
kum
I legitimately rolled my eyes when he said “determined by what COLOR it is”.
How insane would it be if we used a system where color blind people just couldn't read?
@@larsfrisk6658 Another thing, how tf are you supposed to write in this system without having to switch pens every two seconds?
Iqglic is like Poliespo but for selling those multi-colored pens we all thought were so cool in elementary school
you should just call it "ick-glick" in the future
/ɪk.ɡlɪk/
Get your fauxnetics out of here!!!!!
I initially left a comment like: "okay man, like, we get it; he's bad at making conlangs. This is starting to seem kinda mean. Like making fun of the slow kid's bad art or something."
But then I watched the last 1 minute of the review. Glad to see you acknowledge it and offer a little perspective. Keep up the excellent work.
honestly i think it'd be very funny to pronounce "Iqglic" as ick-glick as though it's using english orthography
Man, I remember back when I was in like 9th grade trying to start my own conlang using Pegakibo as a base for the orthography, but I had no real knowledge to have any semblance of structure when I made what I made.
After I realized I don't actually like trying to make a conlang seriously, I did find that I enjoyed making writing systems, and in 2016 I invented my own cypher for English, very minimalistic-like, and I have been using it ever since to write down little notes on something like my hand or a piece of paper when I don't want other people to read it. I've thought about submitting it to Omniglot, but I never really felt that strongly about sharing it that way. It makes for a fun puzzle when I've got some time to kill with a friend or co-worker where they tell me a word/name and I write it in my cypher, and they try to figure out how it works.
And they can’t look it up on Omniglot
“english's consonants are: /m/” *ad plays*
wow, small consonant inventory
mmm yes toasterlang phonology
7:26 "uryna", Iqlic: "arena", means "urine" in Polish. it just made me laugh so hard
uryna
I was about to do my homework, but never mind.
edit: ive been procrastinating all day only to realize i had no homework why am i writing this
Who?
Whom?
*Whomst?*
*W H I B O D Y?*
love hearing "english (2011)" like you're a describing a critically reviled reboot language like if sonic 06 was a conlang
the "sensr" vs "badsensr" bit cracked me up so bad, wow
Me: well... I've seen worse conlangs I think...
Iqglic: As an international auxilliary language, I only use feet and miles
Me, a proud European: Eh nope this is the worst one I've seen
imagine iqglic being taught by accident to kids in France instead of english
oh no
anyway, I have an idea: in short, it's to French what Iqglic is to English. I call it Frãsè
Does this count as a Halloween episode?
i last watched one of your conlang videos a couple months ago and found them pretty interesting. now i've taken half a semester of a linguistics class and they are *so* much more interesting. thank you for these
honestly, i feel a little bad having requested this language (however long ago i did that, i had legitimately forgotten ever doing so). sorry, mr eisenmann, and sorry mitch for being one of the people who made you feel obligated to make this. it's not a bad video or anything, i'm just sad about it
You know, it's good to know that, despite everything we've heard on this show, that Mitch and Jack are still so friendly towards one another. It fills one with hope, you know?
I love how he's formalized Canadian Raising
Doesn't distinguish between voiced and voiceless codas (in Canada, [VI] only occurs before morphologically voiceless codas, [AI] otherwise)
@@bootmii98 Funny you should say that. I was an intro to linguistics TA in Vancouver in 2015, and the undergrads kept getting that question wrong because a lot of them have Canadian raising before voiced codas as well. It's spreading.
The Great lakes dialect has conquered them all
"instcruktcn"? oh yes, another tokiponist's nightmare
Ok im normally fine with "tc", but jesus fucking christ.
Insdrukcn
When they use Ö for a sound that is not a front equivalent of O, I cringe
4:43
Someone looking at this would could pronounce it like “stör”
*shows English pronunciation of store*
“You might have heard of Vötgil”
I have, & I am a bit excited.
13:34 I still agree with the sentiment regardless of whether you’re talking about English or Iqglic.
Squid game language
on one hand, this is a very silly language
on the other hand, earth is spelled "rx" and that's amazing
11:11 so should we be calling them iqglic and badiqglic?
Yes
we all speak badiqglic(English)
Iqglic is real English lol
The best ways to convey and English "ch" without diacritics are "q" and "tx" in my subjective opinion.
I agree with using the latter, as the English "ch" is two consonant sounds combined, both of which are also individual sounds in English. I've even thought of making a ligature out of the letters, as well, as "ch" has an affricate consonant sound.
For the former, I've thought of assigning the "kh" sound to it. It's barely used in English, nowadays, seeing most of its usage from the Scottish and Scouse accents, but this sound is sorely needed in English, especially with many words in English sporting the ever so annoyingly silent "gh".
That brings me to my next point. As much as many like to think that spelling reform would be the solution to the problems with English spelling, there are also problems with that, as well, and the English language is too far gone to just warrant that. This is why I would advocate that there be a language reform for English, instead.
Hi Jan Misaly!
I am a native Hebrew speaker, and something I almost never see in other languages is the way we use diacritical markings (I don't know if those can be considered diacritical markings, but there really isn't a good word for it English... In Hebrew it's called "Nikud").
Are there any conlangs that use something similar? If so, how do they stack up compared to others?
10:26 tokiponists in shambles
toki Iqglic li jo ala e kijetesantakalu :(
One of my favorite JRPGs has its own conlang which is part programming language, part medium for poetic expression: artonelico.fandom.com/wiki/Hymmnos_Language
Would be neat to see you critique it.
- Ðey spyk Iqglic in Wat?
- What?
- IQGLIC MÖÐRFUKR DW YW SPYK IT?!!
wow i was stumped on terrifying halloween costume options this year! but now i’ve decided to go as the word *rekteynggl*!
6:40 The moment I recognized antenna I realized "u" is pronounced like "uh" and not "ooh". I feel like my experience with this list features an unintended bias somehow.
as a person who says (and hears most of the time) trap, father, bath and start all with the same vowel and Lot, cloth, thought and north all with the same vowel I am confused. I'm happy for you who can tell the difference between those!
Wait how are lot and north the same? Even when they're closed the o in north should be rhotised
@@Salsmachev I'm a native speaker for a language with only one "o" vowel and according to my english teachers I have "my own accent" if that helps you understand why I speak and hear the way that I do
@@mariasolenardelli3745 Ah that makes sense. I thought you were saying you were a native speaker with an accent that does that.
If your first language has an a sound, it's probably closer to the sound of o in lot, cloth, and thought than the o sound.
Weird. My native language has only one O too and I recognized six vowels in the lexical set(if you consider long ah to be a vowel and include the diphtong). Trap and Bath are pronounced with an "eh" like sound. Start and North have r-coloured vowels, an r-coloured ah on start and an r-coloured oh on north. The "thought vowel" is a diphtong and it sounds the same as the O in flower. Father, cloth and lot all share the same vowel but the A in father is a long vowel, whereas the vowels in cloth and lot are short. I guess this is caused by me trying to imitate natural accents convincingly.
@@k.umquat8604 You're very perceptive in identifying subtly different phonemes. But thought and flower sound the same to you? I'm a native English speaker and I don't think there are any dialects where thought and flower are the same vowel. The "ow" in flower is the same as in down and cow, which I'm pretty sure is different from "thought" for every native English speaker. What's your original language?
"English (c. 1550)" killed me
*flips coin*
Great video, jan Misali.
I watched all of it.
Me: Iqglic is pronounced "english" Iqglic is pronounced "english" Iqglic is pronounced "e-
My brain, every goddamn time: /ikwəglik/
"If English is so popular why isn't there an English 2?"
Iqglic: Allow me to introduce myself
Conlanger’s thoughts on the original English (c. 1550)? I personally thought it was a neat idea _in theory_ to combine Germanic and Romance languages into a creole of sorts, but did the spelling really have to be so counter-intuitive? Part of the reason for this is that the way it handles loanwords became so woefully inconsistent in the later versions. Are we just supposed to spell older loanwords phonetically but keep spelling new ones in romanisations of their source languages? The creator of English offered no guidance on this, didn’t respond to feedback and, if anything, it looks like they abandoned the project way before it was finished.
Also, did we ever _really_ need two Indo-European languages as the source langs? A Germanic creole with say, Arabic or Chinese would have been so much more cross-cultural and interesting. But no, I guess the creator of the con-culture really just had a hardon for Ancient Rome, so that's what we're stuck with.
I could have really _loved_ English, but its difficult to learn, it loses so much of what makes Latin and German interesting (No noun class system? Are you freaking kidding me?), its cultural aesthetic is all over the place. And don’t even get me started on the vowels…
The good old Jack Eisenmann fucked up spelling reforms.
I mean there's a way to actually rewrite English into sets of Mora however who really cares about it anymore... I mean the best and easiest way to write English is just to write it as a Swede would write it.
Aj håp dat jo ar alrajt maj fränd and dat jår lajf vil bi lång and pråsperås. Nao Aj vil havv to gå avej and do sam ader staf får nao. Si ja araond.
I hope that you are alright my friend and that your life will be long and prosperous. Now I will have to go away and do some other stuff for now. See you around.
And yes, if someone wrote to me in that fashion and knew how to actually transcribe English with Swedish spelling rules, then it would be quite an easy read for me. However would you transcribe the word and, as and or änd or ånd or even önd considering the dialect of English spoken... because there's so many dialects of English that it's ridiculous trying to transcribe English in any fashion but it's own ridiculous one.
I dont know why but the romanized orthography of Iqglic is kinda aesthetically pleasing. Reminds me of a drunk Irishman angrily typing in English.
Genuinely the language is really funny and charming when removed from the context of being an interlang
"this is literally the Iqglic consonant inventory" I would hope so lol
10:58 reminds me of when I'm picking names for my variables and two have the same name lol
6:13 missed a chance to say "Iqglic has no speakers"
10:21 "If you want to say 'moose' or 'beaver' you're fine, but there's no words for 'deer' or 'raccoon'."
I invented a language once and came to the same problem. Imagine you invent a fictional people with a new conlang. Do these people have a word for "cat"? Possibly. So you invent a new word for "cat". Do they also have a word for "dog"? Probably. So you also invent a word for "dog". But what about all the other animals? What about the echidna? Or the African red-eyed bulbul? Or the parastratiosphecomyia stratiosphecomyioides? There are 1.9 million named species on Earth so I thought "why bother" and simply copied the entire list of scientific names.
i burst out laughing and had to pause the video just to laugh at the word 'badsensr', i have no idea why but it is the most hilarious thing ever
like it's just an almost ..sweet? way to explain what censorship is, but it's also so simplistic and doesn't really allow for a perspective from which censorship is actually viewed as good or at least morally neutral
The word: English
The spelling: Iqglic
My brain: Ick-glick
The vowel groupings were fun.
It's so hard for me to imagine how to pronounce father, cloth, lot and thought with the same vowel.
Trap, bath
Start, father
Lot, cloth
Thought, north
Wacky that spoken Iqglic sounds like a bad West Country accent
Eisenman: Get creative with the distinction.
jan Misali: :)
Hey Mitch, can you review Kobaian? It's a conlang created by the band Magma, which all of their albums are sung in.
Thanks for the great videos.
11:50 kinda sounds like Dr. Lard from _zeto_'s tiktoks
1:33
English (1550-Present) is such a funny joke lol, good work
i thought this was a LOONA concept from the thumbnail.....
lol
*Come on, you know why...*
It feels like an American decided to simplify/improve English but had no knowledge of anything other than his own dialect and of Esperanto
When people in movies say „Iqglic please“
Lol
Do you speak Iqglic?
Yes i do speak English
No i didn’t mean English i mean Iqglic
Idk..
tcrust chrust?
Grammar is hecking insane…
"Badsensr" is legit funny
Partway through: "Descriptor"
Me: !!
(I use that for adjectives/adverbs as well, when describing my conlangs or sometimes even my notes while studying regular languages. It's handy, plus shorter and more obvious of meaning than "adjective".)
I'm both disappointed that this is your most recent video, and super glad that youtube randomly recommended this video, and I was able to find the rest of the Conlang Critic series (which i binge-listened to this evening). I'm a big D&D fan, and also one of the only people in my friend group who wants to put effort into running the game and therefore am usually the DM, and I've always wanted to build a conlang for one of my worlds. This series, and your notes on the good and bad parts of many of these conlangs, has reinvigorated that desire within me, especially your critiques and thoughts on fictional languages like Kelen, Drsk, and Dothraki.
I got an ad in the middle of the phonology section, so it sounded as though Iqglic's consonants included /m/, /n/, /glass shattering noise/...
Much better than Kay(f)bop(t)